City Council - Regular Meeting

We'll call a Shakopee City Council meeting September 1st, 2026 to order. If the clerk could please take the roll. Council Member Delaney. Here. Council Member Whiting. Here. Council Member Contreras. Here. Council Member Lara. Here. Mayor Laban. Here. Item number three, join us for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands,

Item number four, approval of agenda. Any changes from staff? Nothing from staff, sir. Changes from council? here wishes of council mr. Lara I'll make a motion to approve the agenda is there a second second mr. Delaney discussion seeing none all in favor say aye aye opposed motion passes item number five consent agenda we had a request to pull 5h by the Lower Minnesota River Watershed District Vice President, who's in the audience, would like to speak to it. Mr. Merritt. Mr. Whiting. I'll make a motion to approve the consent business as modified.

Second.

Seconded by Councillor Contreras. Motion by Mr. Whiting. Mr. Reynolds, would you like to read the consent agenda, please?

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. These are the consent agenda items for Thursday, September 1st of 2026. 5A designates the signing authority on grant agreements for City Council approved grant awards. 5B is the Department of Justice Community Oriented Policing Services Safer Outcomes Program application. 5C approves an amendment to the developer's agreement for River Valley Business Park. 5D approves extended construction hours for the Shenandoah Drive and Shenian Street intersection improvements project. 5E is the Minnesota DNR's Conservation Partners Legacy Grant Program application. 5F approves a special event permit and a temporary liquor license for the Downtown Dogs event. 5G accepts a proposal from Alliant Engineering for engineering services for the 2028 and 2029 full depth pavement reconstruction projects. 5I is the Metropolitan Council's livable communities grant program award. 5J is a resolution approving continued para police and fire plan membership for the fire inspector. 5K is a donation acceptance of used card access equipment. 5L is the approval of the upland information security and technical use policy. 5M is surplus property. 5N is community center fitness studio water damage repairs. And 5O is approval of the August 18th, 2026 city council minutes.

Thank you, Mr. Reynolds. Any discussion from council? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Item number six would be public comment for items that are not on the agenda. So if you're here for an item that is not on tonight's agenda, now would be your time to come forward. If you could do a sign-in sheet there for us, please. And there's a stopwatch up there, three minutes time.

Welcome. Okay, I'm Brian Kane, 2081 Chester Street. Mayor and Council, thank you. I'm here to talk about the block safety plate reader cameras.

Sir, that's actually on the agenda.

That's not on the agenda.

According that's after it's it's actually on our agenda. It's item number 10 a flat cameras, flat cameras.

I thought that was after the meeting and the discussion.

It's on the agenda, so when it comes up under 10 a. After all the discussion. Sorry for the confusion, thank you.

I thought it was just part of 5. The original. The consent agenda that's. So I can't speak then if it's on the do you have?

Do you have 10 on your OK?

Well, if I can't speak, then can I leave some paperwork?

You can certainly paperwork will decide if we're going to let everybody speak at 10 A. And we'll probably wait until after all the presentations. Okay, is there anybody here that would like to address council on an item that is not on our agenda? Okay. Item number seven, business removed from consent agenda. The item removed was 5H, approval of reimbursement agreement with Lower Watershed, Lower Minnesota Watershed District. The vice president is here and wanted to speak to the item.

uh thank you mayor and council i'll speak on this briefly um the first thing i wanted to say was the watershed district really appreciates the partnership that we have with uh shakopee the projects that are brought before our board are the exact type of projects that we really like to champion and work with uh over the last couple months we have worked with alex jordan in order to there were two projects that through bureaucracy of previous boards had fallen through the cracks and we had really made it a concerted effort to make sure those payments of monies were paid to the city in a single lump sum and then we also had a emergency meeting for the stabilization project funds in order to line up with this same meeting. So long story short, I believe we should be essentially all good on all funds. Alex Jordan, let me know if I'm wrong, but I just wanted to say thank you for your continued partnership with the Lower Minnesota River Watershed District. Thank you very much.

Very good question. Did staff share with the lower watershed district that the water the city puts into the river is cleaner than the water that's in the river?

We have made that point on several occasions, sir.

And behind the scenes, that has been a conversation that we've had. We continue to look at innovative ways to clean up the river. We understand that based off of what is put into the river, based off of the Clean Water Act, almost anything that would be put into the river would be cleaner than what the river actually is. So one of the main issues that our board approaches is that clean water as being a future-looking problem to solve and we continue to look at innovative ways to do that and we Give Shakopee all the credit for what they do towards that end Thank you.

Thank you wishes a council Thank You mr. Mayor You know, I think as long as our riverbank stabilization project moves forward, we'll maintain that clean water as long as our sewers don't break into the river before then. So I'm glad that this project is moving forward. So with that, I'd make a motion to approve the reimbursement agreement with the Lower Minnesota River Watershed District for water quality and riverbank stabilization improvements.

Second. Seconded by Councillor Contreras. Is there discussion on the motion? Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Item number eight would be recess for Economic Development Authority meeting. Is there a motion to recess? Councilor Contreras?

Sir, I'll make a recess. I'll make a motion, sorry, to recess to the EDA meeting.

Is there a second? Second. Second by Mr. Delaney. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? We're in recess.

I'd like to call to order the September 1st meeting of the Shakopee Economic Development Authority. Please make note of the rule. Item number two on our agenda is approving that agenda, so I'm looking for Commissioner Contreras.

Yes, sir. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

Motion on the floor. I'll second.

Motion is seconded by Lara. All those in favor say aye.

Aye. All right. We have an agenda. One item on the consent business, item three is 3A, approval of the EDA minutes. Is there questions on the minutes? Commissioner Lehman. Mr. President, I'll move the consent business. Motion on the floor by Commissioner Layman. Is there a second second second by Commissioner Contreras? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Moving on to general business, the 2027 EDA levy and budget. And that is Mr. Reinhart. Sure.

Good evening, President and board members. Tonight we're asking for the EDA consideration of the proposed 2027 EDA tax levy. If approved tonight, the levy and budget would be brought forward to City Council approval on September 15th. The EDA levy is subject to a percentage limit of city's estimated market value. The EDA levy cap for 2027 is almost $1.6 million. So the levy being proposed tonight is well within this cap. The EDA levy differs slightly from the general fund levy in that it gets applied to all taxable properties within the city. That would include those that are part of the tax abatement or TIF plans. The EDA levy is also identified on property taxments as a separate local levy. outside of the city's general property tax levy. The EDA levy is specifically designated for economic development purposes, and any funds unspent from year to year would be reserved for that purpose. For River City Center, the EDA is responsible for the business tenants at the main level, and the CDA continues to manage the senior apartments on the second level. We'll report those as a separate sub-fund of the EDA, and I'll touch base on that in this presentation as well. I have one slide on revenues and then one slide on expenditures. Staff is proposing an EDA levy of $550,000, which is no change from last year. Additional funding is provided through a contribution of half a percent of revenues from the Shakopee Public Utilities Commission. We anticipate that contribution to be $341,000 for next year, $20,000 for social district licenses and cup sales, and then $20,000 for admissions related to the TAP event. For the medium value home it equals out to about $20 a year, which is the exact same amount that was paid in 2026. Moving on to operating expenses. Operating expenses would cover wages and benefits, which would include the economic development coordinator, and then 50% of the planning and development director. Legal services, planning services, and professional services. Within professional services would be the facade loan program, entrepreneurship programming, Main Street, tap event, and marketing. And then the carry forward from last year is the reoccurring annual transfer of 50,000 to the city's general fund, which is used to cover administrative support for those departments. We as mentioned we account for the activity of RCC in a separate sub fund of the EDA We have budgeted three hundred and seventy five thousand in lease revenues Revenues are a best estimate those would be impacted as there are renewals or tenant turnover We do have one tenant that has a lease expiring in the middle of June the building maintenance line item assumes there might be some additional work for the space to be ready to be leased and So with that, I can stand and answer any questions you might have. Otherwise, I ask for consideration of resolutions adopting the 2027 EDA levy and the 2027 budget. And then unless there are any modifications to the budget and levy from this meeting, we do anticipate asking City Council to adopt the final EDA levy at the next meeting. So this would be the last time you would see this as the EDA board.

Questions of Mr. Reinhart?

Question down here. Commissioner Delaney. For the TAP event for emissions, why did that change from $24,000 to $20,000?

So we're basing it upon what we saw last year. So that's based on last year's actual sales. Thank you.

Further questions? What are the wishes of the body?

I like to make a motion to adopt resolution E2026-005 authorizing the levy of a special benefit levy pursuant to Minnesota statute section 469.003 subdivision 6.

A motion on the floor? Second. Seconded by Commissioner Delaney. Any discussion?

Discussion?

Discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

Motion passed.

All right, next item. Who wants it?

I'll do it again. Resolution number, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number E2026-006, a resolution adopting the 2027 budget.

We have a motion on the floor, seconded by Commissioner Lara. Any discussion? Discussion, discussion.

All those in favor say aye. Aye.

Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Did we have one more? Was there one more? It was just those two resolutions.

Yeah, just those two.

All right. Well, that... Concludes our regular business for tonight. We do have the EDA bill list, item five. Any questions on the bills?

No questions for me.

No questions.

Okay, all good. Moving forward, I'll look for a motion to adjourn. Mr. Lauer.

I'll make a motion to adjourn to September or October 6th, 2026.

Motion on the floor. Is there a second?

Second.

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We stand adjourned. Thank you.

Close, but no cigar to the record, right?

No, no record there.

All right. Well, we convene the Shack City Council. Item number 10A, flock camera automated license plate readers, LPRs. Workshop discussion.

Who is going to lead us off? I see City Clerk and Chief of Police.

It's both Chief Pearson and myself, sir. And as a reminder to everyone, workshops are designed to be a little more freewheeling i ask simply that if you throw something make sure it's soft and otherwise feel free to interrupt no no feel free to interrupt if you have a question uh we very much want to be able to present factual information to you My only request would be that if you ultimately decide after some reflection that we want to do something different, we certainly can do that and we'll do that at a meeting sometime in the future. But my goal is to simply present you with the facts as they apply to what we do in Shakopee with these particular cameras. So with that being said, both Chief Pearson and I will tag team this. She is the subject matter expert. I am the mouthpiece, so keep that in mind. So when we talk about quote unquote flock cameras, what we're really talking about are automated license plate readers. And so what does an automated license plate reader camera do? Well, it essentially does exactly what the name says. In a moment of time, we'll capture a license plate on a vehicle and we'll capture information about that particular vehicle. It does not continuously record anything. We have cameras that do that in our parks for obvious reasons. And we'll talk a little bit about that as you are well aware of some of the issues that we've had in our parks in the past. It does not track vehicles. It's a one-time thing. If you use your phone in your vehicle and you have a quote unquote free app, you are being tracked. Those apps aren't free. Your information is being harvested and sold. If you have a vehicle younger than 10 years, your information is being tracked and sold to insurance companies to determine what your insurance bill is going to be. There are things that are tracking you today. Flock cameras are not that. It does not identify occupants of vehicles. It identifies the vehicle based upon the license plate. However, if that license plate is stolen, that can trigger something and if it sees that it's a different vehicle, that also can be a problem. It does not collect any personal information about vehicle occupants. It literally only looks at the vehicle itself. And it does not record human activity around the camera itself. As we found out when some of our flock cameras have been destroyed, my first response was, well, why didn't we record it? And that's what started my odyssey in the flock world when I realized that's not what these do. These don't record personal interactions. We have one currently out at Jackson Park. We have one currently at Jackson Park, and when it was first put out there, an individual emailed me and said, are you watching me walk my son around the park? And I said, not with that camera. No, we are not. Not with a flock camera. Now, we do have cameras out there that are filming interactions, and if there are issues that come up, we will go to that camera and we will pull that information to determine if we have, for example, if we have destruction of property, we're going to try to figure out who does that. A flock camera does not do that. Why do we use them? Chief Pearson, you want to run down why we use these things to begin with?

Sure. Mayor, members of council, why do we use them here in Shakopee? They're a great law enforcement tool, both on the investigative side of the house as well as a patrol function. We use them to apprehend fugitives, locate stolen vehicles, vulnerable adults, missing children, and as Bill mentioned, we use them in our parks to prevent vandalism. Hold up.

Let's ask questions as we go here. Otherwise, we're going to get confused. Sure, yeah, absolutely.

Any questions from anybody so far?

If they don't capture people data, just license plates, how does it locate vulnerable adults and missing children?

Good question. So our state records data system, as well as NCIC, where if someone is missing, you report your wife missing, you call us, we enter her into NCIC as a missing person, and you tell us she's gone, she left in her vehicle, and here's her license plate. We will attach her license plate to her name and enter her as a missing person. So now her license plate is flagged as a missing person. So she drives by one of our flock cameras, and it's going to create an alert that she drove by this flat camera at this time on this date and it'll take a picture of her license plate and vehicle. So that's an example of a missing person.

Okay, is the license plate you put in looking for her, is that data then available to surrounding communities?

Say that again.

Does the data that you enter for a license plate of a missing person? It's going to our cameras. Is it going to other cameras within? The state of Minnesota. Other counties, other cities.

Yes, once once the flock database updates, it pulls information from NCIC, so she's entered into. NCIC has a missing person, so when Prior Lake's cameras do the update, they update a couple times throughout a 24 hour period, it'll pull the updated data and then she drives by a plate reader in Prior Lake, they would then get the same alert that we would get. Because it's connected to the state system where we enter the information.

Is it confined to Prior Lake or is it larger than that?

It's Minnesota law enforcement. It's a national database that we're entering that missing person into. So anytime law enforcement would come into contact with that missing person, they would know that they're entered as missing.

And it works reverse. So if you're looking for a stolen car out of Minneapolis and somehow that gets entered into the system.

If a Minneapolis officer runs that license plate that was entered by Shakopee as stolen... they're going to get a hit that that vehicle license plate was entered as stolen. It's the law enforcement database that we all share.

Okay. So if there's a car stolen in Minneapolis and they enter it as stolen and the person drives the shock, our camera picks it up, it's going to flag it as stolen?

It's going to send an alert. that that vehicle drove by that specific camera on that date at that time.

Okay.

It does not tell us who's driving that vehicle or anything outside of just simply the vehicle drove by that camera at that point in time. Yep.

And I think that's important to recognize is that the reason there's a connection to the missing person is simply because it's that license plate. It could be that the person driving that car is not the missing person.

Or it could be the plate on a different car.

Or it could be the plate on a different car.

Yep. Mr. Lara?

Chief, is that real-time flag or is that on a report pulled later?

The alerts?

Yeah, so let's say that vehicle drives by, gets captured by a camera. Is that a real-time alert to an officer in their squad car or is that on a report that's pulled later?

Good question, so and Alex, I'll try to explain this in a way that everyone understands so. Vehicle drives by a plate reader and it's a stolen vehicle. The alert live time will go to the officers directly. Now I think it's really important for everybody to recognize that we are how many square miles? 36, 38 square miles. There's 50,000 people in this town. We're a very busy police department. Not every single alert is attended to. So just because an officer gets an alert that there was a stolen vehicle that drove by a specific plate reader does not mean that we are now looking into that vehicle. We may be busy on calls, and we can't attend to that alert at that moment in time.

It may also be that that vehicle is moving, obviously, and we don't have any officers in the general area, and we recognize that by the time we got there, it would be gone anyway.

And because it's not tracking that vehicle, we don't know where it went. Did it, you know, we have no way of knowing by the time we get there, it's gone. It's no longer in front of that LPR plate reader. Where did it go? I don't know.

Now you're back to old school looking for a red Dodge, blah, blah, blah, whatever the car description is.

Just a little background. What is the cost of a camera and the system to operate it? Annual kind of subscription.

Yep. Our annual cost is $18,000.

What's the camera cost? Because I know we just evidently had some damage.

$3,000 to replace the damaged one.

Okay. That's cheaper than the cameras in here. One there, one there. It is true. Okay. Continue. After we get through the presentation, we'll open it up for comments and questions, okay?

So... Once this information is in the quote-unquote camera, which means it's actually in the cloud, which is a data center, but we're not going down there for that discussion.

Well, I think it's important to know that that's an encrypted cloud and a secure police thing.

Yes, it's a secured area. The question then becomes what happens to this information when a police officer needs this information now? Chief, what happens?

So I think, again, very important to emphasize that Minnesota is extremely restrictive in the use of ALPRs. We here in Shakopee are even more restrictive. Our retention periods are more restrictive. Shakopee specifically, if my officers want to go into the database and search a license plate, They have to obtain a search warrant from a judge unless there's exigent circumstances and an immediate threat to life, life or safety, public safety. So I think that's one way that, one thing that we do a little bit differently as far as a safeguard is the expectation from our county attorney is a little bit different than maybe other communities.

Anytime an officer wants to go into that system outside of exigent circumstances They have to apply for a search warrant and have it signed by a judge before they can go in and search that Okay database, but to be clear if we'll go back to the stolen cart Minneapolis puts it into the system It pops up as a stolen car with this license plate They don't have to get a search warrant to get that information because it's coming the other direction and

They're not searching it. It's coming directly to them. It's an alert. Right.

Okay. And then if one of our cameras catches that car that's been alerted to, then what happens with that information?

So that kind of leads us into a different part of the conversation. So if a stolen vehicle is located because of a flock alert in Shakopee, We're doing some human verification before we're taking any type of enforcement action.

I guess we'll just continue here because you're going to get to that, I think.

We'll go down that road and talk about human verification before we're even taking any type of enforcement action. We're doing some things instead of just getting the alert and acting on it. I touched on the search warrant issue. It's very, we've written many, many search warrants for this. It's become our procedure and it's a conversation and a decision that was made in partnership with the county attorney. I think that's it on that slide.

Who in the PD department has the ability to look at this information, Chief?

So we only allow our supervisors, search capabilities, and our investigations, our investigators, so. Sargents and up. Sargents and investigators. Okay. Captains and myself. Yep. and obviously that helps eliminate the misuse of the system if there were to be any. It's not a free-for-all. The officers aren't able to just freely search the system.

Yeah, so there's a chain of custody basically have to have do they track it back to a warrant number or something that Somebody logs and look at it.

The officer's name goes in warrant number We create a case number and the warrant is attached to the case number and it's essentially titled flock search Or it'll have a case or it's or it's attached to an investigation a current case that we're investigating Do we get case numbers from other agencies that put alerts out for their case? So anytime so let's I'll just another kind of hypothetical here. So let's say Minnetonka is investigating a homicide. And they call us up and they say, hey, we just had a homicide. Here's the description of the car. Can you check flock to see if they came into your city? Okay, that's a homicide. There's exigent circumstances. We're allowed to search the system for the description of that vehicle. If it's a circumstance where there's not exigency and another city is asking if a vehicle was flagged in our system, we would require that city to provide us with a search warrant before any search was done. So still falling within the same procedures and guidelines where we operate. If you want data from our system, you need a signed search warrant from a judge. Okay.

Mr. Lara, first.

I just want to piggyback kind of on what Counselor Delaney asked. Are there digital footprint capabilities to track who and when was accessing that information without them? I know you say that there's warrant numbers and descriptions and cases created, but what are the, I guess, the... fail safes that prevent someone just, even with access, going in there and dinking around.

There's an audit trail to everything, everything we do in the system. There's an audit trail, and we have audits done every two years.

Thank you.

Mr. Delaney.

So for extenuating circumstances, is a warrant, I guess, gotten after the information's pulled? So in that murder case, you have to look for the information. Do you get a warrant afterwards to kind of cover the, make sure it is?

We look for the information. Say, exigent circumstances, we're looking for a red truck. And because there's exigent circumstances, we find a vehicle that matches the description. At that moment, we pause and we write a search warrant to take the investigation further.

Thank you.

And on that search warrant, we're tying the other agency that made the request, correct?

Yes, sir. Okay.

Continue. So in Shakopee, in Chief's memo, she has outlined exactly where those are. But we currently have five installed and operational. We have four of which two need to be moved, one needs to be replaced, and one is yet to be originally installed. We have one in Jackson Park, again, because of our issues that we've had in our parks. And we have two other photo cameras in Jackson Park and three photo cameras at Quarry Lake.

So that's where we currently have cameras. Yes, sir? So are these other cameras considered flock cameras, or are they just recording cameras? They're recording cameras, yeah.

They're more intrusive than the flock camera. But the rationale, as we all up here know, is when we put $2 million into these parks and these thugs, criminals, destroy it, it's pretty frustrating when we turn around and foot the bill for $200,000 to fix it. I'd like to catch them, prosecute them, and make them pay for it instead of the taxpayers paying for it twice.

And I like the fact that the cameras are open and obvious because maybe that will stop the issue to begin with.

Well, I think there's signs that say this is under surveillance.

Yeah. Right?

I think so.

Okay. We've kind of talked a little bit about this, Chief, but if you want to talk about how we share the data.

Yeah, so we don't share with any other agencies other than Prior Lake and the reason we do that is there a bordering city. A lot of our investigations overlap. As you know, people travel through Shakopee to get to Prior Lake and just naturally based on the geographic layout, a lot of our stuff overlaps. We work very closely with that agency and. having conversations with leadership over there. They operate exactly like we do in terms of they only allow sergeants access. They write search warrants. They're in Scott County just like we are. It makes sense investigatively for us to share data with Prior Lake.

Well, we've got the pipeline corridor on 83 from 169 right to Mystic Lake and back.

You are correct. Yes. That being said... Prior Lake did sign ALPR data access authorization form. And within that, part of it covers the unauthorized sharing and searching of data. I work extremely close with that agency. And I know how they're approaching their flock stuff. And so I think it makes sense that we're sharing our data with them for just efficiency when it comes to investigations.

So if one of us is driving down a street in town and it captures our license plate, does that license plate go to Prior Lake?

They could search the data in our system and see that your plate was at that camera at that moment in Shakopee.

Mayor. Mayor.

Mr. Blaine.

So we have a data sharing agreement with Prior Lake. Do they have any other partners that we're aware of, or do we kind of keep track of that? So if they do go online and say, I don't know, Chaska, we would either get an agreement in place or not share our data with Chaska? I think we're basically doing control.

Let me see if I can rephrase your question for you. Tell me if I'm wrong. But if Prior Lake makes an agreement outside the agreement with Shakopee with somebody else, does that give that somebody else access to our information that we share with Prior Lake?

No, it's strictly just Prior Lake, regardless of what other agreements they have. That doesn't give those other agreeing agencies access to our systems.

So they can only agree to share Prior Lake information.

Yes.

Thank you.

Right, there's no backdoor roundabout access. I think that's what you're concerned about.

So I think just important for you to understand the why when I say we're sharing with Prior Lake. And then outside of Prior Lake, we don't share with any other agency. We've gotten requests, and I've said no. Prior to me, Chief Tate has said no. We don't share with federal agencies, DHS, ICE, Immigration, no other agencies we're not sharing our data with.

So how do we, FLOC has access to this data, right? so the data is it's we own the data right but we're once we put data into it it's on a statewide

Network there.

Yeah, if there's an alert that's going out statewide like the missing person that we talked about, that's a whole different system.

That's the law enforcement database that is separate from flock. Yes, the alerts are in both places and flock pulls from that law enforcement database. That's how that information gets into the flock system to alert us. Those are two separate systems.

OK, so OK.

Successes, I think I'd be a fool not to share how this has been successful. Attempted murder, shooting, felony flea drug possession, stolen motor vehicle, homicide investigation, again, another stolen motor vehicle. These are all examples and obviously we don't have the time and I can't necessarily get into the details of every single one of these cases, but these are five significant felony level crimes, one of which an individual was killed where we maybe wouldn't have been able to solve the crime without this technology. As quickly as we did. So I think it's just it's important to talk about the success stories and show that the technology if used correctly and and regulated the right ways. It's extremely useful.

Are any of these cameras that are cases on the screen privately owned cameras?

No, so we don't share our data with any privately owned cameras. I believe Home Depot and Lowe's. I'm unaware of any other private businesses in Shakopee that have flat cameras, but those two do, and we don't share data with them. So this is all relative to Shakopee-owned flat cameras.

So they're capturing license plates, but not necessarily looping people in the parking lot. I wonder what they're doing with license plates. sending us a coupon maybe. All right.

Well, in conclusion with just this part of the presentation, you know, these do provide a very important investigative tool. And there are significant legal, administrative, and departmental restrictions all the way from Minnesota state law to requirements. We're committed to using the technology responsibly and lawfully. We do have safeguards in place to protect individual privacy. The cameras in themselves do not specifically look at individuals, but at vehicles. And yes, there can be a connection to a person, but the reality is that that is not the same thing. And there's great value in this system when it comes to solving crime, as the chief has noted.

If I can, I've got four questions here that seem to be some of the core concerns that we're hearing about in other areas, other counties, other cities throughout the state. The first is mass surveillance. The network includes 120,000 cameras across 49 states, okay, countrywide. It logs billions of vehicles, scans monthly, tracking everyday drivers without a warrant or explicit consent.

So... Well, first of all, it's not a network. Pardon me? It's not a network. We own the data.

Yeah, and I was going to say tracking everyday drivers with... So that was the question, I guess, that I got out of that was, is the system capable of, if I was to drive loop and loop and loop around these five cameras that we have, can you go in and hot map it and go here at this time, here at that time, here at that time, here at that time, here, and go around in a circle and actually put that into a hot loop? Because that would be like massive surveillance with no cause.

So every time you drive by one of those cameras mayor your plate is going to be logged and the officers are going to get an alert

Only if it's on the alert.

Only if you're a missing person, you have a warrant out for your arrest. Maybe I should ask if I'm on your alert list. Yes, under those guidelines, right? If a vehicle, not you, if a vehicle that falls under those guidelines drives by the cameras five, six, seven times, we are going to get five, six, seven alerts. Okay. And, you know, could an officer put a pin every, I mean, we know where the cameras are. If they're driving by the same cameras, I mean, where they are.

What I'm asking is, could an officer in their squad take a license number and put it in and hot map it when it's not one on the list that's been alerted? No.

No. No. First of all, we've got to have a warrant to do that.

Okay. And this is why I'm asking these questions. These are the major concerns that I wanted to cover.

Now, if I can, and the Chief may scold me for this later, We actually had an interesting case where we had stolen plates. Can I talk about this? Yeah. Where we had stolen plates on a vehicle that hit five different times in this community. It was in the community and it was going around. And so our officers moved forward, did what they needed to do and come to find out this vehicle was an ICE vehicle. was stolen plates now you know about this because i've told you about this the public probably doesn't uh... it was an ice vehicle the and the agents were apprehended they were charged uh... and uh... you know because they had taken plates off the vehicle and put it on another vehicle clearly a violation of the law okay and the next one was

Numerous reports show officers using the database to illegally stalk people, ex-partners, run authorized personal searches, leading to firings and arrests in multiple states. So we already know that they can't put a plate number in there unless it's on the alert without a warrant. So we've covered that basis. So the next question would be what is the penalty for misuse?

That's a good question. Without looking directly at the statute and reading it again, I don't know specifically what the statute lays out for the criminal penalty, but what I will say is that if there's any misuse in the department, we would certainly follow our disciplinary procedures and go down that route appropriately.

Have the wrath of the chief and captains on them.

Well, and I think it's important, too, and that goes for any law enforcement database, right? If it's misused, you're going to be held criminally liable. We know that in this profession. You can't misuse these databases. We know there's consequences to those actions, and it can be criminal.

And we had cases of that with individuals who were accessing the license, not here. uh... access accessing uh... a lot drivers license databases uh... in uh... minnesota and uh... those cases went forward and people were held accountable for that that's like anything else if you break the law or if you break the rules of this city, you're going to be held accountable.

So that's not the plate on the car, but the driver's license in your pocket? Correct.

That was many, many 10, 15 years ago. That's been a long time ago.

Mr. Delaney? Sure. So how often does an audit happen as far as who is accessing the system? I mean, is that like yearly or? Two years. Two years.

Every two years. And we just had an audit completed in April of this year.

And we have that audit. It was on the table today.

And that audit is on the city's website under our public portal.

Yeah, and we received it prior to this meeting also electronically. Okay, next was, and we've seen this on the news from other communities, and I'm not really concerned about this one because wrongful stops, high false positive rates have caused innocent drivers to be wrongly pulled over, sometimes at gunpoint. based on incorrect stolen vehicle alerts.

Maybe this is a good time to talk about that human verification piece. So an officer gets an alert, whatever the alert is from the system, and they happen to be in a position where they can take enforcement action. Before they're doing that, We are taking that license plate, running it through the states and the NCIC to verify that it's actually entered into NCIC as like, we'll say stolen car. So we'll run it, verify that it's entered stolen, before we take any type of enforcement action. If it's like a driver's license violation, whether it's a driving after cancellation or a driving after revocation, something like that, same thing. We're running that plate in the system to verify that the registered owner is in fact listed as revoked or suspended. And then going one step further than that, Does the driver match the characteristics of the registered owner? If the registered owner is revoked and a female, but there's a male driving the car, we're not stopping that car. Why would we? It's clearly not the registered owner. So there's an element of human verification factor here that just because we're getting an alert, does not mean we're turning the lights on and making the stop without taking it one, two, or even three steps further on the enforcement action piece.

I'm going to assume that these systems are not used. You don't see alerts for a speeding ticket or minor traffic stuff.

No. AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MISSING PERSONS, THE WANTED PERSONS, THE SUSPENDED, REVOKED DRIVER'S LICENSE, THE CANCELED DRIVER'S LICENSE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

MURDER, STOLEN, BIGGER CRIMES. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

I DID. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT MR. DELANEY HAD SAID, ASKED. Number, I think it was, where am I? Number eight of the results is Shakopee's flock program independently audited and what did it most recently audit find? And it says yes, the biennial audit regarding And it said the Shakopee Police Department. The audit confirmed that the Shakopee Police Department is full compliance with applicable statutory requirements, including standards governing data accuracy, data protection, legitimate access procedures, and data breach notification requirements. So just make sure that we got it. It's here. So it's good to just a reminder.

Mr. Delaney? That's my question. I'm just going to answer it with that. Thank you. Okay.

The other one was warrantless data sharing, and I think you covered that quite a bit because when we get an alert, we're getting warrants from a court, search warrants.

Yes, sir. Unless it's a life-threatening, correct, yes.

And that applies outside of this system. If a police officer is walking by and they can see through a window that somebody's trying to kill somebody, that's what they call exigent circumstances. Yes, correct.

We treat this essentially the same as if we need to do a ping on somebody's cell phone. Search warrant. Probable cause, and you need a search warrant. Okay.

And then the last thing I had was the flock folks came out and wanted to change some policies to the seven days, I think it was.

Um, the history. Yeah, history. Yeah.

And where are we at with that? Do we know why they're doing that? And what's your thoughts on that?

Sure. I don't know the why I can't, I can't speak to the why I won't speak for flock. Um, you know, the, the state statute says 60 day retention. We do 30 little bit more restrictive. Um, As far as the seven day, we are considering it. I need to have some conversations with our investigators because it could impact some of our criminal investigations. So I just need to figure out if it makes sense to lower the retention to seven days.

Is there a way that the just generated read, read, read, read on everybody's car that goes by the intersection, that that data can get dumped when it's not an investigation, it's not an alert in seven days?

I do not know if you can pick and choose what data gets dumped. I don't think you can It's certainly something I can ask and get back to you.

Okay All right Anything else to add wait until we see what the crowd has to ask I

No, I don't think I have anything else to add other than just reiterating that this is a great law enforcement tool. I know there's a lot of scrutiny surrounding it, but I can assure you that our cops are using it correctly and for what its intended purpose is.

That's all I got. All right.

Mr. Whiting?

If we're going to open this to public comment and to that kind of situation, I'd recommend that we go to the three-minute clock again.

Absolutely. Yep.

But if I may, I do have slight concern that because we did not post this on our agenda that this is a public meeting. hearing that people can come and speak I'm concerned that there's not people there's people out there that if had they known that they would have come down here because typically our workshops do not allow for outside comment so if I may I would suggest you know I know there are people out there that wanted to speak but I think we should put this on an agenda where people can have notified we do proper notification to the public of that, hey, we're going to do a public meeting. You can come in and speak to it versus allowing it now and then people are missed out on it. So that's my suggestion.

Or we could do both. There's no restriction about allowing. The chair can allow public comment, right, Jim?

Yes.

so there's there's no there's no concerns just to follow up others could come and do their three minutes when it's not on the agenda they would be able to come and speak also all right well yeah and if we soak all this in and what we hear from the public and stuff and decide

Sure. But before we do it, I just have three things that I took out from what we just heard. Some food for thought. Rather than doing a two-year audit, maybe would we consider having it more restrictive and doing a one-year audit just in case? Everything that I'm going to say is to help put people at ease to know that we take this seriously. So considering a one-year audit versus a two-year, uh having establishing clear consequences for improper use of the information um rather leaving it up to we don't know what it is i think like could we as a city establish our own um

Guidelines for that let's let's see if we can answer that question first because what the chief was talking about is the criminal side Which is obviously if you're convicted as a police officer doing something your career is done But what is shock these personnel? Policy for the police department employees that would do something like that well as with any other employee that breaks the law or

violates city policy, they would be held accountable. Now I can't tell you what that would be right here today because obviously there's due process involved. But it would be an exceptionally significant situation and I think this council knows how we deal with things that are significant. We don't tolerate them.

And then third, I'm not sure if you guys were, but I was not aware that we did share data with Prior Lake. I understand why we do it, but in my opinion, I think we should, council should be made aware that if we are gonna be sharing data like that, we should either A, approve it, or B, be told, hey, we're gonna be doing this, and this is why we're doing it, meaning they follow the same stipulations as we do. just because there are those concerns of people, you know, say, oh, we allowed, now we allow CHASCA to access it. Well, if, I don't know, New Hope gets a hold of it here, it's like, oh, CHASCA has it, we're gonna use a roundabout way to get, you know, I just, just, it's one of those things that if it's our data, then we need to learn how to control it and put our thumb on who has access to it, so.

It's a great question and concern, and I think it was already answered at,

Prior Lake cannot take... Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. Let me rephrase. I did not know that Prior Lake had access to it, so I don't know if you guys did either, but just in future cases, if other cities come and ask to be a partner with us, that we are aware and or give approval or denial to that. That's what I meant. Okay. But I know what you meant.

Yep. Okay.

That's it.

And then I think also the chief is going to look at if they could split up the data from the standard click, click, click, click, click, that means nothing, and keep the active investigation stuff, or if the system allows that. If legal people say, no, now you tainted the system or something, I don't know them, she's going to have to study that.

I can I can get an answer for that if if we can pick and choose what I we are hanging on to and for how long we're hanging on to it. If it has to be all or none.

Right, and I certainly get if you got an active investigation going on and you're dumping every seven days, you're losing that data. But then again, I mean, you could take a snapshot of the data from the system, put it in the case file, but then when you go to court, then what happens, right? So I get some of them nuances and concerns.

Yeah, I wanted to pull up. You are all very aware of what I'm about to show. You've seen these photos before, but the public necessarily hasn't. We're specifically talking about why we have cameras in our parks. And we routinely have issues that happen in our parks where things are damaged, destroyed, burnt. It used to be a urinal. There's a reason why we have cameras in our parks. We've got multi-million dollar investments in these parks and literally There for a while, it was weekly. We were having major destruction happening in these facilities, especially the bathrooms. So I wish we didn't have to have cameras in the parks, but we're doing it for a reason, and I hope the public understands that.

Well, and many people have them at their houses for the exact same reasons.

Yeah, yeah, that's why you have ring cameras.

They're looking out to see who's at the front door. Maybe they're catching who's walking down the sidewalk without their permission, whatever.

Packages. Yeah.

Mr. Mayor. Okay.

Mr. Mayor, if I could. Yes. I think I can answer one question. Okay. About the violation of the penalties. Okay. The statute that the chief was referring to was in the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act. Okay. That act specifies what the penalties are for violating it. There's two types of penalties, one for a willful violation. The person who does it is guilty of a misdemeanor, can be charged with a misdemeanor. Or secondly, any public employee that willfully violates the statute can be suspended without pay or dismissed as a public employee.

So those are the two potential remedies for violation of this statute.

And if it's criminal, there would be criminal charges on top of that.

Well, misdemeanor is criminal.

I mean, the dismissal from your job is one thing, but if you actually use that data to do something else and it was a criminal thing, then you're going to get a double. Right? Okay. We'll open it up for comments from the audience. We do have a timer that we're going to be using here just to keep things flowing along. And, sir, I appreciate your patience.

And I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Yeah, if you could just sign in on the sheet there. Okay.

I'm Brian Kane, 208 Chester Street, and I'm glad to be speaking at the right time. Mayor and Council, thank you. I just wanted to let you know that Fox's own patent describes classifying people by race, gender, height, and weight, and those need to be evaluated. I also want to say where I'm upset with some of what this is happening. It's the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath of affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. point one it's a platform not a camera and in regards to administrator bill reynolds statements prior to the meeting tonight that was readily available online and on public spots he stated one of the latest social media outrage campaigns results around automated license plate readers or community known coming home by the brand new block cameras there's a great amount of misinformation that related to these online discussions which is generated pockets of concern in some communities unfortunately most of the level of concern is based upon this for information about facts that is not true uh... that may be true today but box platform goes further in preform may i search for people by physical description exists In Raven, it sold for gunshot detection, now listens for human voices in distress. And under the patent, US 11416545B1, classifies people by race, gender, height, and weight in a searchable database. Point two, documented loss of local control. Official government statements, and these are not allegations. Mountain View, California, a flock enabled a nationwide setting without police knowledge. Federal agencies access local data. In Cambridge, Massachusetts, Block installed cameras after council ordered deactivation, terminated for breach of trust. In Washington State, Border Patrol accessed 10 departments' data that never agreed to share. Point three, hackable, and it's documented that it is hackable. Earlier this week, the Ramsey County Sheriff, I think his name is Fletcher, mentioned safeguards and audits. Internal audits don't fix vendor-level flaws. 22 confirmed vulnerabilities in the federal cybersecurity database. A camera can be taken over in 30 seconds. Counter cameras found online without passwords. Live footage will be available to anyone. So I ask, I'm not asking you to remove the cameras, I just want you to show us a written place, plate reader policy in the city, retention cap for 30 days, no sharing without a council vote, a ban on audio sensors, an independent security assessment, and no vendor changes without written authorization. To close, We wouldn't approve a water plant without an environmental assessment. Don't approve any other type of utilities without an assessment. Don't approve surveillance infrastructure without governance controls. And please review the technology built profile too. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. Who could answer, where did our chief go?

It's right there.

There you are. I'm sure you can't see me. They don't have audio on these cameras, do they?

No audio.

No audio, okay. And the fourth amendment issue is How do we get to the Fourth Amendment issue?

That's why we have search warrants.

Search warrants are specifically dealing with the Fourth Amendment. And to be fair, I think when Mr. Reynolds' comments that he put out saying that there's a lot of, justifiably, I think his comments were justified when we watched what's happening in many other counties and cities throughout Minnesota because that caught my attention too. A lot of the cities and counties that are having some issues that we're not having aren't following the strict guidelines that we put in place. And that's kind of on them because they really should be doing a better job of protecting the citizen base and the privacy.

Good evening.

Did you sign in, sir? It's a little loud. Did you sign in, sir? Yes, I did. Thank you.

I signed in. My name is Larry Moody, 2231 Hillside Drive here in Shakopee. I have a couple of statements that I don't know if they are entirely factual, but they are concerning. Number one is that Flock has... hired, engaged at various places around the country, public relations firms that go out and hire residents to come into meetings such as this in support of FLOC. which I think is horrendous. I am not in support of Flock. I have a statement, and it relates to a question for our chief here. Flock's, and I assume other license plate readers, are very accurate at reading the letters and numbers take a hypothetical ABC123 license plate. They're very good at that. It has also been noted that they are not very accurate at determining the state from which that license plate comes. And the question is, have we had any false hits where a license plate comes up as somebody who is a wanted murderer from using license plate ABC123, but it happens to be from Missouri or Massachusetts and not our state or or the hit on the system is for a Massachusetts license plate, ABC123. But Flock picks up a Minnesota license plate, ABC123. Have we had any such false hits along those lines?

I am unaware of any false hits in Shakopee. And when I spoke about the human verification factor, that's why we do that. Because we don't want to stop somebody on a mix-up of the state of the plate. So that's why we're doing those human verification factors before we're taking any type of enforcement action on the road.

So then a hit for someone that is wanted for a significant crime the HIT also states which state that license plate is for and that you all are looking for ABC 123 Massachusetts.

Again, sir, we're taking those steps to verify. We take one or two steps, things one or two steps further to verify that what Flock is telling us is what we're seeing in the database. Yeah, let me see if I can help with this.

So if they get an alert that pops up with 123 ABC for murder, before they start looking for that license plate, they go into their separate Minnesota law enforcement system and look to see if that plate in Minnesota is wanted for murder. If it's not, now they've got more digging to do to see why is it popping up when it's not a Minnesota active thing.

And if it is, we take it one step further. Does the driver match the description of the registered owner?

But in the national database, it'll have ABC 123 Missouri. But if the flock here hits ABC 123, but it can't distinguish the state, does it still generate a hit?

Say that again.

If somebody's wanted out of Missouri for murder. She answered that. And drives to Minnesota.

It will hit on our flock plates.

Will it show up as a Missouri plate instead of a Minnesota plate? Will what you're seeing in your squad car say hit for this license plate out of Missouri?

Well, it takes a picture of the plate. So we should be able to see that it's a Minnesota plate or a Missouri plate. I've seen some of the images and they're very clear images. There should be no mistaking what state the plate belongs to on the flock alert.

There should be, but there are not. They have a very high accuracy on the letters and numbers. They have a less than stellar accuracy on reading the state.

And you know how we can fix that? Minnesota's got like, what, 10 different plates you can buy now, right? Thank you for your time. Thank you. Hello, welcome. If you could sign in, please, that'd be great.

Yeah, sure. I think that's good, all right. My name's Chris Simedet. I have never been to a city council meeting in my life. I was not planning to come here. I just take what I look like.

Can I ask you to pull that mic just a little bit closer? Yeah. It actually does move. It might feel heavy, but you can move it on the table.

Okay, I'll just stay close to it. All right. Anyway, like I said, I've never been to a city council meeting in my life. I did not know this was gonna come up until a few hours ago. but I heard some things that really concerned me. I think I'd like to start by talking to Mr. Reynolds. You have described this system as not tracking people, but the system creates a number of data points, as he was talking about, like hot mapping. That is completely possible, and it has already been abused extensively throughout this country. That is tracking. If you know where a certain person, well, excuse me, certain vehicle was a certain number of times you are tracking that person that has been used already and abused particularly by domestic abusers in police departments and I have a real real issue at that because this system the system has already facilitated domestic abuse across the country and And this system can absolutely help us solve murders. But if it's abused, it can be used to facilitate murders. If someone wants to track their ex that they have no contact with and separation order with, The threat of a slap on the wrist is not going to stop them from doing that. A person can go into the system without authorization. They don't even have to be here. They just have to have access to the database. And I think it's been kind of underplayed how many people do have access to that. As far as I know, the company has access to all that. So somebody working for Flock could do it themselves. So, I mean, what comfort can we give to somebody who has an act of violence done against them, you know, after they've used the system? Improperly, yes. It sounds like cold comfort to me. There's nothing to stop that from happening. Needing a warrant does not stop somebody from accessing the system. It's already been done. It's already been abused extensively. You can't stop it ahead of time. That's the problem. I totally agree that it can solve crimes and whatnot, but at what cost? I mean, once the first person gets hurt or seriously injured, what happens then?

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Chief, can you put that on your list also? Very good point, flock access. What access do they have?

I'll get a definitive answer. To our data.

I mean, they might have different agreements with different cities. Other cities might allow them access. I want to know if we specifically do not allow them access to our data.

Understood.

Okay. Well, they'd be losing their job, and they would probably be charged.

But that means nothing.

Well, I think the reality is they can do that in multiple different ways now. We can't prevent a lot of things, but we can hold people accountable.

But do we give them the tools to do it?

Right now there are a lot of tools that people, you can put an air tag on your abused spouse's vehicle.

But there's all this other stuff around here.

Yeah, okay. All right, excuse me, let's get back on track here. You know what, you're more than free to hang out after we get done with other folks. You can have as many conversations as you like. You're taking away from somebody else's time. You did have equal three minutes as everybody else. Sir, the floor is yours.

Hi, I'm Andrew Stoffrin. I grew up here in Shakopee, moved away, came back. My background is IT. I'm an IT professional, hold multiple certifications. I don't support flock cameras, but I'm hoping to provide some... I have two insight points that I'd like to at least bring and try to... bring to light to you. So it's quite polarized, as we know, and a lot of us have opinions of both ways. But first I'd like to point out And we kind of mentioned it earlier, too, that we only have, what, five cameras in Shakopee that the city owns. There's a website out there called dfloc.org where people can war drive and find live cameras. We have FedEx is one of the three over by Coral Lake. They have three cameras. Home Depot and Lowe's each have three cameras as well. So they have nine. knowing that the majority of the cameras in Shakopee sounds like we have zero control over. Does that seem fair?

We don't control the privately owned cameras that you mentioned. We have our own cameras that we control.

Yes. So that's where I would like to mention is... there's a lot of visibility people see it as one system we the city does not have control over nine that's the majority we're talking about bringing some more controls administrative managerial controls into place bring it down to seven days and possibly can the city reach out to these private entities to try to figure out what are theirs are they going to match the cities if they're going to be having these cameras in our in our area.

But their systems don't interface with what ours do.

Correct, but they go vertical north-south to these systems that are higher.

Well, I meant that ours are interfaced with law enforcement systems.

Yes, and theirs would too.

Theirs are not. I don't believe you're not going to have Lowe's and Home Depot being able to go into the NIMS system that the law enforcement uses.

Okay. Can I get to my second point? I only have 30 seconds.

Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Thank you. And this is where I'm going to pull from my IT background is... How are we securing these cameras? Mr. Keene mentioned earlier these cameras could be taken over in 30 seconds. We talk about managerial, like, sounds like the city has very good managerial controls in place. But what about our... Crap, I lost the spot. But talking about more of the technical restrictive controls, like if there's Bluetooth, do we disable it? If there's Wi-Fi access points to where they get set up, are they disabled after the fact? So I want to point out Shodan.io is a Google-like website to any IoT device that is publicly open to the internet. So how do we ensure that our cameras in this city are not Publicly streaming to the internet or publicly open to the internet.

Sorry not streaming So you don't want the transparency side saying that we have these and here's a local

No, that transparency isn't going to be there, regardless, because community projects of dfloc.org. More of how can we minimize our attack surface.

Got it. OK. Yeah.

And making sure that they are not, people can't just search this showdown.io.

Okay, I understand. Thank you. Chief, can you put that in your list? I know it's encrypted already, but I don't know who the providers are and how that all works.

And I'm not the IT specialist in this, so I'll have to ask some questions.

So we're basically looking at hacking by citizens and how when you're sitting at home and you hit Wi-Fi and it shows your neighbors and it's got a little lockbox on it and it shows

Some different things and different lock boxes with different passwords to have that not available for I think a way a wireless camera might be a better example when you have to They broadcast a temporary access point to connect to your Wi-Fi. It'd be they broadcast their own temporary Wi-Fi so that Technician can set it up.

Yep We'll talk to our IT specialist people and I gotta tell you we got a couple of them that are really good and

And I'll simply say in regards to the private cameras, we can't control private cameras on private property.

Whether it's Lowe's, Home Depot, or your own home.

Yeah, I mean, you have to figure that out, and the owners of the property have to figure that out.

All right, anybody else would like to speak on this matter? Very good ton of information. Something that's going to saturate for awhile and I know we gave the chief quite a list of things to look into for us. Is there anything else Council would like to direct staff on this matter? Very good. Alright, so. Liaison administration, which side did I start at last time?

That's right So this morning I attended the ribbon-cutting for the safe routes to school Project at Sweeney Elementary. It was one of three school locations that received improvements for the routes to school It was it was a project I was watching throughout the summer as I Our child attended camp next door, so it was nice to see that it wrapped up right before school starts. But it was a great collaboration between the school, the city, and then us being able to get that grant from MnDOT. And the CAPS program. And the CAPS program. The students helped with that research, too. So it was fantastic. Very good.

Councilor Contreras.

Thank you, Mayor. So on the 27th, I attended the ribbon cutting for the spot over, what is that?

The spot at the West End Mall.

At the West End Mall, yes. And that is a premier indoor sports simulator lounge and entertainment venue. That's pretty cool on that side. And then today, I also attended the ribbon cutting for the new safe routes. So thank you to our staff, a great partnership with the schools, something we needed to do to keep our kiddos safe.

Absolutely. Now if we can get everybody to recognize traffic signs. Mr. Whiting. I have nothing to report. Mr. Delaney.

Okay, since the last council meeting, I went to the MMUA conference up in St.

Cloud with Secretary of Public Utilities.

We did get an award, a Rising Star Award for Gabe Ryder. Also, I guess our SPUC lawyer, she got a Distinguished Service Award. Otherwise, this is a good opportunity for our legislative updates and leadership trainings.

MMUA, Minnesota Municipal Utility Association. Correct. Okay. Good to let everybody know what that means.

Thank you.

Anything else?

That's it.

Mine, 21st of August, Sleper Stadium. I did the opening for the Minnesota Amateur Baseball Association's tournament in Shakopee. It was a beautiful night. I heavily attended. Shock to one go Indians, right? I Wanted to take an opportunity to thank staff for working with live nation on You know the issues at the amp that we we all knew we were gonna have issues with both the traffic patterns and Sound and stuff like that and it's kind of a rare venue a little different than than others And it's going to take a little bit to dial her in But we got a memo from staff it was a it's good to see that all of the above some of the comments from some of the residents that were concerned, you know, can you tilt the speakers down this that and the other thing that's actually a recommendation that came out of that meeting so some of it is material sound deadening some of it is direction of of where the amps are pointed some of it is more monitoring equipment just a host of things that came out of that all very positive i want to thank live nation for being so gracious and listening and stuff too you know so a lot of good things and it's awesome so i wanted to thank staff for that thank you guys good job That's all I have. I was going to attend the school thing, but ever since my old phone died and I got a new one, the calendars quit working together, so I got to get with our IT guy that's awesome, Andy, and he'll fix that up for me. City bill list. Mr. Reynolds, do you have anything for reports? No, sir.

I was just going to mention the meeting with Live Nation, but you covered it good. Go ahead. I just think that, you know, as we've previously talked about, We can plan for something, but until it's on the ground and put together, you know, we really aren't going to know exactly how sound travels or how traffic flows. And we've been slowly educating and moving things forward and trying things. The traffic situation, pretty close to being where it needs to be. We're routinely emptying that parking lot in around 40 minutes, which is just amazing from start to finish. But yeah, we still are working on the sound issues. We also know that weather plays a part in that. When you have a heat dome or if you have high humidity, sound will travel more. So we're continuing to look at it. MPCA is going to lend us some equipment we can put in neighborhoods to monitor. And we very much want, if you feel that there's an issue with sound, call Live Nation. Then and there because they will send somebody out. They will monitor that. They'll take a picture of the reading and then if it needs to be addressed, we'll address it.

Yeah, they get us a phone number. I just didn't have it with me tonight, so we'll make it available somehow.

I don't have it on me.

Yeah, we'll get it out there. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Reynolds. City bill list. Any questions on the bill list?

None for me.

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TAP 2026 is taking place on September 12th from 2 to 5 in downtown Shakopee. This event is a craft beer tasting and showcase with more than 40 Minnesota breweries participating. It's hosted by the Shakopee Economic Development Authority. Please visit www.tapshakopee.com to learn more and purchase your tickets. Thank you. Calls for contrarians?

Huber Park Movie Night. The Shakopee Parks and Recreation Department has hosted three free movies nights in Huber Park in late summer and early fall. The next movie is scheduled for Saturday, September 19th. Movies begin at dusk. Movie nights are free and do not require registration. Bring a chair, a blanket, snacks, and enjoy.

Nice. Community Center opens. Shakopee Community Center is open again after performing its annual maintenance week. The community center installed new weight equipment and the pool and facility underwent deep cleaning. Come visit the community center.

Mr. Whiting? Roundabout construction beginning Tuesday, September 8th, the intersection of Shenandoah Drive and Shinian Street will close to all traffic for construction of the single-lane roundabout. Access to Canterbury Park and area restaurants and businesses will be available from temporary roadways constructed bypassing the intersection. Project information, including detour maps, can be viewed on the City Projects page under Annual Street Improvements on the City's website.

You know, I had a question for the engineer about that. Is there a reason that we're not waiting until after the AMP season is over with?

Thank you, Mayor and Council. It'd be really hard to finish the project starting in October if we were to wait.

Get a freeze coming, huh? I kind of thought that, but I just verified. All right, thank you. Any other business? Any other business? None? Motion to adjourn would be in order.

Mr. Lara? I make a motion to adjourn to September 15th, 2026 at 7 p.m. Is there a second?

Second. Motion to second. Discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? We're adjourned.