Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

There we go. Um, like to call tonight's meeting to order. Um, please stand for the flag salute. Ready? Salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Potential conflicts of interest. Any commissioner who has a potential conflict of interest may now identify the item and recuse themselves from discussing and voting on this matter. Okay, seeing none oral communications. At this time, any member of the public may address the commission regarding any item over which the commission has jurisdiction. No action or discussion will be taken on any item not on the agenda. Issues raised will be referred to the chairperson for review. Members of the public shall limit the remarks to three minutes. Uh can we do roll call? Uh, Chair Corey, Commissioner T Corey

here. Thank you. Commissioner Hall here. Commissioner Kesler here. Commissioner Ramirez here. Vice Chair Sanri here. And Chair Garcia

here. During the public hearing, I will first ask the staff's comments and reports on the items being discussed. After staff's presentation, I will open the hearing to public testimony. I will then close the public hearing at which time no member of the public shall address the commission unless specifically asked by a member of the commission through the chair. The planning commission will then discuss the matter among themselves and take action on the item being considered. When on the phone, if you wish to address the council during the public comment portion of the agenda, press nine to raise your hand. We will select you from a meeting queue. Press six to unmute and mute yourself. consent calendar. All items listed under uh all items listed under consent calendar and considered routine. The complete consent calendar will be enacted by one motion by roll call vote. For purposes of discussion, any commission or member may have an item removed from the consent calendar and made part of the regular agenda. The commission can then approve the remainder of the consent calendar. First item is consideration and necessary action on the minutes of January 26th um 2026 meeting.

Make the motion. I'll second it. I'll second it. Commissioner Kesler, Vice Chair Sanri. Yes. Commissioner Cory, yes. Commissioner Hall, yes. Commissioner Ramirez, yes. Garcia, yes.

And it's approved. Second item, tenative subdivision map and annsection pre-zone vignia track 6514. Continuation of the January 26, 2026 public hearing to consider the proposal for approval of tenative subdivision map number 6514, Lvvenia to allow for the development of a 237 lot single family residential subdivision on a vacant property with the annexation and pre-zone of approximately of 82 acres. generally located on the north side of East Roden Avenue and the west side of South Amber Avenue in the city of Selma. The annexation is subject to review and approval from Fresno County Local Agency Formation Commission, LAFCO. The proposed tenative subdivision map annexation and prezone actions are exempt from additional environmental review pursuant to section 15183 of the California minor uh environmental quality act squa guidelines as the projects are consistent with the city of Sulma general plan update 2035 and the environmental impacts of the projects were adequately addressed in the certified general plan update program environmental impact report number 2000. 008081082. Staff, do you have a report for us?

Good evening, commissioners. Thank you for being here tonight to hear the uh continuation of this public hearing. Um so as we have previously reviewed and discussed uh the application before you is a three-part uh request being prezoning annexation and tenative tract map approval for a 237 lot subdivision. Uh Lupe is pulling up the aerial imagery um of of the general site. Um, this is the city's publicly available land use map that shows uh all zoning and general plan designations. Lots of great information. Um, you can click around just to give us kind of a a easy reference point while we're discussing this application. You can see the area that has been proposed for development. Since you have last reviewed this application, um the developer has held a neighborhood meeting at city hall on March 26th. Um following that meeting, the applicant has submitted additional information to the planning department which was included in our addended staff report for you tonight as attachment F. Um some additional renderings have been provided to show what the homes proposed homes would look like as well as some park concept models um lot kind of an overall lot configuration of how the proposed homes may fit on the proposed lots and then an estimate of development impact fees for the proposed subdivision. Based on that, um staff's recommendation at this point remains the same as the initial public hearing. Um we're recommending approval of the proposal with an added condition that any proposals of the applicant uh become that are in excess of the city's minimum standards shall become conditions of approval.

Um so with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. The staff report kind hopefully gave you a little bit more background information on the timeline of this request. Um the zoning and the general plan designations of the property themselves and just a little bit more context of what staff was looking for when they determined their original uh recommendation to approve. And I think with that, if you have no questions for me, um, I would turn it over to the applicant. Sorry. Were there any questions on the

on the the map that's on our screen for us is the city's general land use map. It shows an overlay of all of the city's zoning and specific plans that have been adopted um into the city's official map. Uh the project site is where the cursor is if you can see that. Um it's not delineated and I apologize for that, but the the map is just a general reference point for you. So you can see the project site is contiguous to the city's current city limits. Um and it is located in the city's sphere of influence. Um, so the annexation request would be to in incorporate the project site into the city's limits um with prezoning that's consistent with the current general plan designations for the property.

And do we need any report or summary from the neighborhood meeting that was held or that is not relevant to tonight's meeting? Um, I think the applicant is probably the best primed to answer those questions from you since it was a applicant meeting. Thank you.

Yeah. Um, at this time we're going to open up um the uh public hearing. When you come to the microphone, please state your name and address. Good evening. My name is Dirk Pushell and my business address is 923 Vaness here in Fresno. If you could put up slide number three, please. I think that'll help uh the planning commission and the neighbors to uh get a maybe a simpler orientation of the project. I'm here this evening on behalf of Joseph Crown and Crown Development. Unfortunately, Mr. Mr. Crown could not be here tonight. He's u suffering from a severe illness. Um the Mr. Crown went through a preliminary project review some months ago with city staff uh analyzing the site uh preliminary project improvement requirements and the general plan. He submitted a formal application to the city of Selma in October of 2024. Subsequently, a series of meetings and conversations occurred between city staff and the developer in which 26 lots were eliminated from the proposed project. As staff has mentioned to you, the project is within the city sphere of influence, which indicates that the city and Fresno County have both agreed that development of the subject property should be in accordance with the city of Selma general plan. Your staff has concluded that the crown project is consistent with the pattern of surrounding residential development and consistent with the underlying general plan designation. In green is the superimposed conceptual plan indicates the loading circulation, the two proposed parks and the I may

pronounce this incorrectly, but the Panu subdivision that is immediately to our west in our northwest corner which will be uh relatively large lots and then in this area which is on our southwest corner, this area is designated for multifamily residential at 20 units to the acre minimum. So, we have these two properties that buffer the large estate size lots. And um speaking to the commissioner's question about the March 26th outreach meeting um I think that uh well we we we provided illustrations of the homes and went through the quality of the homes and we'll discuss that a bit later but I think at the end of the day uh the controversy ended up uh relative to density that particularly the neighbors in the I'm going to call them estatesiz lots felt that the project was too dense. And uh we spent considerable time talking about uh the designation and intent of the general plan to have uh lots as we have proposed, but no resolution uh was made at the March 26th meeting. U as I mentioned um we had two adjacent unit uh uses. Uh the Panu project apparently is in processing now and there is a contemplated multif family residential project immediately to our west. Uh the the project north of Rearen is designated this price here is designated for high residential highdensity residential uses and was zoned in 2025 as part of the city of Selma's commitment to its housing needs. The site will develop to, as I said, a minimum of 20 units to the acre, but

there's about a 660 foot distance from the estatesiz lots to our U western boundary separated by that multif family project. I'm a licensed real estate broker and have testified as an expert regarding values in court. uh real estate appraisals estimate values of like kind properties and there was dis considerable conversation at the March 26th meeting about a demunition in property values if this project was to be approved. Generally, the approximate estatesized lots would be evaluated with homes in that development or other similarsized homes in Selma. Neighborhoods of mixed residential types of mixed values and sizes are common to the central valley communities and do not adversely affect property values. According to reports from the National Association of Homebuilders, areas of mixed housing types tend to have greater stability in home prices than areas with only single family homes. As the reports and case studies indicate, cities around the United States are finding that a diversity of housing options attract a broader range of buyers and renters, provides market flexibility, offers desirable amenities, attracts long-term investment in the communities, and where the communities also benefit from wellthoughtout urban planning and zoning practices. This project is an example of that. We have the area to develop two parks to get to to landscape them and also to improve them. The land use pattern of mixed densities is supported by state law and planning directives from the state. It's also supported by your general plan. As you also know, this city's general plan represents the city's formal statement of development

intentions. Your staff has concluded that the project is consistent with the Selma general plan. To supplement their presentation, the city of Selma general plan goal number two seeks to allow for, and I'm going to quote directly from your plan, a mixture of housing types, lot sizes, and affordability within the community. Goal number three, again directly out of your plan, seeks to provide a high quality living environment and residential neighborhoods supporting smart growth policies in advanced mixeduse higher density walkable communities. For those of you who don't recall, in 1999, the city of Selma endorsed the landscape of choice, which was a movement throughout the central valley of all central valley cities and I understand all counties endorsed the need for more efficient use of our land. And that was principally by slightly higher densities and a mix of varying lot types uh such as being proposed this evening. But there's also improvements to the community. There's uh higher air quality benefits because people can walk to shopping and walk to parkways. There's fewer v vehicle miles traveled which are also benefits of landscape of choice to name a few. There are multiple and your public works department I'm sure could go into other advantages such as sewing, street costs, etc. But in the interest of time, goal number five, directly out of your general plan, states that it's the goal of the city to seek higher density residential to states that higher density residential densities do not negatively affect existing neighborhoods, which is the crux of the issue that we have before us tonight. The city and your general plan identify those higher density projects as

mediumigh and high density. That's not this project. Your general plan specifically calls out mediumigh and high density as those projects that would adversely affect existing neighborhoods. The proposed crown development densities are much lower at about 4.5 units per gross acre. As I mentioned earlier, there's two parks that are proposed and they will be landscaped and equipped consistent with city standards. Six different models are also proposed, ranging in size from 1360 to 2500 with an estimated monthly payment between 2,800 and $4,000 a month. I have slides of the homes if we could show a couple of the homes. They're all they're very similar. All have tile roofs. They all have an option for threecar garages. They will be zero energy consumption homes. In other words, the net energy for these homes consumption will be zero. Quartz throughout the house, shower and quartz countertops, LED lighting. I have to say, this is a lot nicer than any home that I grew up in. It's a very nice home. All of the models will have the availability of threecar garages. Going to general plan goal number six, again, directly out of your plan and consistent with state planning law. Number six seeks to provide a mix of densities which will ensure adequate affordable housing for all economic segments of the community. Also consistent with state planning law, the city of Selma, like other cities and counties within the state, must make all reasonable measures to to provide adequate housing to address California's housing crisis. State planning law also provides prohibits an agency from reducing the ability of a municipality to pro to provide those units. The

project is consistent with the density requirements of your general plan that your city adopted and my client is trying to implement. We meet all development standards and have asked for no variances or deviations from any of your development standards. For these reasons, we believe that the proposed zoning should be approved. Going to the subdivision map, the city has accurately identified the findings of your city ordinance and the subdivision map act. They have concluded that the site is in fact adequate in size and shape to accommodate the proposed use. That the subdivision's improvements and the design provides safe and efficient circulation consistent with city standards. That the project will not be detrimental to public health safety and welfare. and the project is consistent with the city of Selma general plan and zoning. For these reasons, we ask that you also support the proposed subdivision map. We have 11 letters of support that have been provided to the clerk. I I presume that you have them in front of you. I'd be happy to answer any questions if you have them of me.

I have a quick question, please. What is the width and the depth of those 4,000 square foot light? Like the dimensions? Um, I'm just curious how will it allow for a third car garage and how much of a setback you'd have between two lots if both of them opted for threecar garages.

The the dimensions are in the staff report. The lots the the zoning has a 40 foot minimum. Our lots will be 50 ft wide by 100. And um I doubt that all of the homes will have threecar garages. They'll be plotted as people buy the homes and so that they fit because all lots we have a range of lot sizes. I can give that to you too. The range of lot sizes goes up to 10,000 ft. So you'll have some lots that are going to be wider, deeper, uh, and of different configurations. Hope I answered.

Basic. Yes. So basically, for someone to be able to put a third car garage, they're going to have to choose a larger lot. And the smaller lots would not be able to have that option or a smaller home. So there's going to be a give and take. It Well, in general, if somebody is building a 1300 foot home, they don't have the need for a threecar garage. It's usually the larger homes with larger garages. That's generally speaking. That could be. Thank you. Thank you. Um, on the lot on the lot sizes, you said that the minimum would be 4,000. And what's the max? That's the zoning ordinance. Okay. Our lots are 50 by 100.

What's the square footage of the homes? Uh, let me get those again for you. 1300. The homes range from um360 ft to 2500 and would have a we believe a a monthly mortgage of somewhere between $2,800 and $4,000 a month. Okay. And then these are just threecar garages. There's no optional twocar garage. Yes. The standard home is going to have a twocar garage, but the option there is an option for a third. Okay. Thank you. Will you have a this uh area completely fenced similar to what the Amberwood uh development is?

There's a requirement that our project be walled. So, we're going to build a masonry block wall, ma'am. Okay. Around the perimeter of the project.

Thank you. Looks like most of your larger lots are inside corners. Um, they have very small frontages. They're very deep. Will the threecar garage still fit and fall within the front yard setbacks? We will meet all of the setback requirements that are established or discussed in the staff report and we are asking for no deviations.

Thank you.

Thank you so much. Um, at this time I would like to turn it over to public comments. Once again, when you approach the microphone, please state your name and your address. You will have a total of three minutes to say what you're going to say, and there will be no extensions. Hi, Nadia Gonzalez, 1088 Mil Street. California annexation law requires annexation public hearing to be posted on site. No public hearing notice with copy of proposed 237 single family residential units map showing vehicular traffic access haven't been provided in violation of California state annexation law. No SQUA initial study has been provided that focuses analysts of hundreds of vehicle trips that will negatively impact our quiet neighborhoods safety concerns and decrease our property values. For the record, I'm against this project. The planning consulting firm representing this development is in Fresno. He doesn't live in Selma. And where does the city attorney live? not in Selma. My husband went to city hall and asked for the proposed uh tenative track map and the seek was studied to evaluate traffic impact to our neighborhood. Your incompetent staff denied us with this information. The city is not being transparent and are keeping the next door taxpayers in the dark by hiding

impact uh important project information and are only protecting the outside development interests. And why is there heavy equipment constantly in the recent months at our well working? You're keeping keeping us from evaluating water volumes needed to suspect to support the 237 single family unit project. And are you going to come after us after the residents to pay for the water to be transported once the water is depleted? Good evening. My name is Paula Rogers. I'm a link realtor as well as a resident on Mil Street right off of Ro, right behind Roen and in between Evergreen. Um, I live in the neighborhood and while I think the crown homes are beautiful, they are tracked homes and with no disrespect intended, as I mentioned at the previous meeting that I was at, track homes next to custom homes devalue the values of the existing custom homes there in which we live. We have worked long and hard years to buy in that neighborhood. So to have track homes approved to come into our neighborhood is just It's just wrong. There are lots of lots in Silma that I can help you locate for them so that they can go build. I will point out a very large lot off of Dauba Avenue and Shaft Avenue. We can add some track house homes over there and they will be more than welcomed. However, I will also point out that without the infrastructure to continue to support all of these homes coming into the community, we're going to have more issues besides traffic,

crime rates going up, and everything else that goes with a larger population. The density does matter because when I am searching for homes for my clients who are looking in custom areas, they are looking for space between them and their neighbor. They do not want to be at their kitchen window or their shower window and be able to hear what's going on next door. We want some privacy. I again, I don't mean any disrespect to another builder or another area in town. I respect everybody. I worked my way up from living in the Vario, but I do think it's important to note the differences of where you place homes. Whether the planning, zoning, or what have you has now been approved for that, I don't know how it could have been without proper input from all of us. But if it was, then we need to relook at that. Otherwise, you're just going to have a lot of people that pay a lot of taxes in this community continue to leave, and that is not good for our community. We have to continue to build our revenues while maintaining s some sustainability in communities. So, I just wanted to bring that up. Oh, one more thing I wanted to disagree with what he just said was um it will devalue the properties because in our neighborhood rarely do people move. But when they do move, the homes are selling for near a million dollars. That is way different than the prices of these crown homes. Okay? So, if you're going to turn around and say they're not going to devalue them, they are. And the appraisers will go out. I have been a real realtor for quite some time now. The appraisers will go out and when no houses are selling next to us, they will go to the closest homes in the nearest proximity and consider them an adjustable variable comparable measurement. So, um I totally disagree with everything he said on that. And also the payments, they will not be

2,300 2500 unless you give $20,000 I mean 20% down and most buyers do not. Thank you. Hello. Um, Richard Gerdi and I live on Ro uh 1080 Roordan Avenue. Uh, we've been there for 23 years. So, a little history lesson. Uh, we built moved in in 2003. In 2004, a developer tried to build a crappy development across the street from us. Came to the city and first person he talked to was my father-in-law who was a city engineer at the time, Archie. You probably knew who he was. Came to DB Hooser who went to the city council and said, "Hey, we can't let this happen." So, they did a they did a general plan. So everything south of everything south of um uh well I can't think everything north of Nebraska and south of Floral and east of Dockery was supposed to be minimum 12,000 square foot lots because that's the only low density area of the city. That's the key. We have high density areas all over the place. We have them all over the place. All kinds of developments going on. There's mixeduse areas. Everything's going in all over the place. The only area that's low density is where we live. Okay? We have custom homes. We all lived in crappy little houses until we saved enough money to build these houses. Okay? And so, um, this doesn't seem right to have. And I'm not against development. And and I know Harvey wants to sell his place, and that's great, but it needs to be a better development than this right next to us. Okay? You're you're you're going from my lot's 17,000 square feet. So, you're going to tell me there's going to be a 4,000 foot lot just down the block. I don't care how you spin it. That doesn't make sense. It's not a good planning thing for the city. Okay? So, and the fact is when did they change this general plan? See, we're all here

now because we're irritated. Okay? Because we know what's going on. They say don't wake a sleeping lion. Well, we're awake now. So, this is really irritating that you're going to trying to put this thing. I know there was no infrastructure in the city. So, for many years, they couldn't build anything. I know there's sewer there now and so we can have development, which is great. I'm not against the development, but it has to be similar to what's next to it. Okay? So, these custom homes, we had to buy the lots, build the lot, build the houses, get contractors, do everything. You have more skin in the game. Okay? So, I'm not against development. I'm just against this particular development in this area. Okay? High d higher density houses should be in another area. The only low density area of the city is where we are. That's it. No other thing. And you haven't seen a house built in this area since there's one house on the north of Florida. I think that was built like 15 years ago. That's the last time. So, so people want to move here and they can't they call me all the time if there's a house in my area, but there's never anything for sale. And when it doesn't go for sale, it goes it like that. So, we need some bigger houses, some nicer houses. You're trying to get businesses to come to the area. So, where are those business owners going to live? They're not going to want to live in a 4,000t house. are going to want to live in a house like I live in. Okay? So, you need to attract those people. You can't attract them if you have these little houses right next to the good developments. They're going to look at that and they're going to say, "Oh, I'm not going to buy here because if the city's going to make these bad decisions, then why would I want to go there?" So, people end up going the other towns. Thank you. Hi, my name is Gary Jorgensson.

I live on Roden Avenue also and I have a 17,000 square foot lot which I feel actually very privileged to have. I have a nice backyard and like heard somebody ask about the setbacks to the front. I have a nice front yard and this is one of the only areas like we were just mentioned that is in this in this town and there was a a a fight before across about the land across from me and it got to be registered as low density housing at 12,000 square foot lots and I don't know when that got if that's gotten changed but all I know is that I worked very hard for a lot of years to be able to buy a lot and put it my house on it. They talk about a lot that's 4,000 square foot. You put four houses where my lot is. And when I bought my lot, I was told that further down the road there were going to be the same size lots anywhere from 12 to 17,000 square feet. That's what just about all these lots on on the area that I live in are. And a lot of people worked very hard. And when we went to build those homes, I'm going to tell you something. Like I said, we had to pay a lot more for permits. I had to buy my own contractor, which was more expensive. And of course, my house is custom. If I wanted a track home, I could have gone and bought one. I built in that area because I wanted a custom home and there's other people that do. I don't know how you expect to attract doctors, dentists, I don't know, successful people if they can't have an option to

be able to buy a decentsized lot and build a nice home on it. You have that area now. Whether you utilize it and put it into city planning like to me I think it should be like it was before. There's a lot What size are the homes that are going over on Floral Avenue? I don't know. But they're not I believe they're high density homes. So you have all these areas that have high density and you know how many areas do you have that you have low density? Do you think it's fair to the people that invested their hard-earned dollars that they worked so hard for all their life? I'm retired now. Like I said, I feel very fortunate to have what I have. But I worked hard for that. And I I didn't expect to look across the street or down the street and all of a sudden somebody where I have a house, there's four houses in the same area of my house. And I'm sorry, but if you look at those plants, you know what? I noticed them was very interesting is that all those plans, they kind of showed a little bit of footage how long, how far this, but they never showed what size the rooms were or anything else like that. Well,

you know, families need need the area to play and kids and everything. So, okay. Thank you. Good evening everyone. My name is Ramen Gil. I also live in that neighborhood 1069 Mil Street. Um I did not prepare anything but I would like to ask some questions and you could answer it now or you know maybe go home with that thought process. Everybody sitting here the citizen of Selma wants Selma to grow. No one's going to deny this. We want our town to grow. But when we come to these meetings there's got to be a planning. There's got to be an in infrastructure. There's got to you have to know what you're doing. We all want our town to grow. And to everybody's point, I moved into that neighborhood with my family because of its character, because of how the neighborhood was. With due respect to the building builder who's doing it, yes, build in Selma, but why are you jeopardizing our density? It's it's the density jump, right? It is disrupting our neighborhood charm, our competition, and our safety. Safety is with all the water issues, everything that everyone talked about. So, I'm not going to repeat it. The the traffic, you know, we have families, we have kids playing, everyone knows everybody, but I want city of Selma, everybody who sits on that planning commission to make actual factual decisions, not emotional, oh, we want density house, we want neighborhoods, yes, we want it, too. But there there has to be a right place to put everything wherever we want to grow. Not just like, oh, this corner just looks it's available and we're going to

do it. So I with due respect all I'm going to ask as a mom as a citizen of Selma. Yes go with those plans but you have to understand where you're building what and what it's disrupting and what it's continuing. Yes we want shops you know where are they going to walk to like from these like tell me where are they walking to shop? If they if you want your people to walk, go by the Walmart area. That's where they, you know, if you want it to be accessible shopping, go. So, you have to understand your city limits and where you want to plan. So, I'm leaving you with some questions before you make your decision. I don't want you to make emotional, you know, all of these liberal decisions, but just really think through what we want to do in our city and how do we want to grow our city, but we do need to do it right. Thank you. Henry Chavez, 1076 Mil Street. Uh, Lupe, can you go back to the track map? They had it pulled up on there or the other one that shows all the houses and the lot sizes and little miniature lots they have. that one right there.

So, all those all those houses, there's no exit. They're all going to go down Rose Avenue. You know how bad that is on a Sunday afternoon when church gets out. You're going to have a thousand cars on average 243 houses. They all got at least three cars. I got six cars. I got a 10,000 12,000 foot lot, but I hide my cars in the garage. These people are going to park all in the streets. Broken down cars, flat tires, garbage everywhere. They're all going to go traffic down Rose Avenue. How are they going to get out? They're going to come down your street. You can exit. They're going to come down to other street because they can exit there. Luckily, I'm on a T- street. They won't come down my street. But these people are going to get screwed. The other thing is, sir, there is no shopping in Sama. We go to Kingsburg to eat and shop or we go to Clovis in Fresno. You can't walk from there to a store. You just can't. You should maybe go over there and walk to Walmart.

Good evening. Danna Gerabedian 1080 broaden I just want to ask a few kind of mention a few things so of course we support capitalism uh we support Mr. ing I believe his desire to develop his own property. Uh our crown representative, he has a right to represent his people. Um we're not arguing that as it's been said before, but I just have a question. I know we're discussing two things. One is an ordinance seemed to have been passed under our radar. So, right now we are getting upset because we're focusing on Crown, but also we're upset because something went under the radar and was passed under the radar. Number one, it looks like complete junk down the row of rod and did I just Oh, uh I just saw somebody from the county picking up refrigerators and mattresses. This kind of crap is always, pardon my language, is constantly, it is a dumping ground. Nobody seems to care, but now all of a sudden we care because this development is coming in and there's an opportunity for money to be made. I just want to make a comment. Uh, our crown representative here mentioned that this attracts renters. Why are we asking for that? Number two, uh, all counties do not equal Selma, sir. Uh, number three, again, like we said, there's no shopping and walking. Number four, did we not mention that this was going to be 82 acres? Is that right? 80. Did we say 82 acres? I believe that was mentioned. And then it was discussed at 4.5 units per acre. So to me, 4.5 * 82 equals 369 homes. This is confusing because you said there would be 237 units, but now all of a sudden on average 369. So, that's just current math that I'm

talking about right now. Um, you keep mentioning it in terms of a monthly cost. It's none of our business what anybody's um down payment is or their financial situation, but constantly saying to us the value of the home based on the monthly rent or monthly mortgage is meaningless. I've never heard you state the cost of the home. I've never heard you state the proposed cost of the home. Thank you. Hi, Joe Nelson, 1058 Mil Street. We built our house in 2005. I have paperwork here for pages of what we had to go by with Mrs. Morigan. the rules we had to follow. Our house, our lot is probably one of the smallest lots in the area and we're on Mill. However, our house is 2500 square f feet and we have a small backyard but a large front yard because we're on the corner. I just don't understand. I I understand that Selma needs to grow. Totally get it. But to put small lots over by our property makes no sense. So Michael Merigian owns five acres adjacent to us and there will be a block wall there. I understand and most of those lots there are 4,000 square feet. So how is that in continuity of what how we'd want Selma

to grow? I I don't understand it. And Ali Morgan was very forceful for how we had to keep our neighborhood, no trailers, no excess parking. If we had a trailer on the street in 24 hours, you better get that trailer out. And we abided by her rules because we wanted pride of the neighborhood. So, I just hope you listen to all of us. Um, we want better for Selma. Thank you. We do have some rent comments to be read into the record as well if you'd like to hear those.

We have another citizen that would like to speak. I think it's a you you can read yours and then I'll read the other one that I have. No, different one.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Janette Solorio. I live at 1191 Mil Street. Um, I'm going to read for Tom Bowers and Mrs. Bowers here. They live at 1192 Mill and the three of us are in agreement with this statement, but Tom Bowers wrote what I'm about to read. So Tom Bowers um is a neighbor here in obviously on Mill Street and he is also a member of the California Groundwater Association and the National Groundwater Association. And um the first reason why he's opposed and we are opposed to the crown project is the water supply and the groundwater overdraft. number one reason um Selma relies heavily on groundwater and the city has formally acknowledged long-term groundwater sorry I don't know why I'm getting feedback overdraft concerns um first bullet point Selma adopted groundwater overdraft mitigation fees specifically because urban expansion increases groundwater depletion and threatens long-term water reliability. The regional tools subbasin is under heightened SGMA which is sustainable groundwater management act scrutiny. It's under scrutiny with state oversight when local groundwater management is in inadequate. So large housing projects like this one proposed increases permanent municip munipal munip munipal demand competing with existing residents which is who's in the in the audience tonight competing with agriculture and their drought resilience. So the opposition to this is the project creates a permanent increase in groundwater demand in a basin already identified as overdrafted. That's a fact. Raising concerns about long-term water reliability, well

failures in compliance with the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act. So, number two, inadequate sewer and utility capacity. Some some folks have already mentioned that, so I'm just going to go into the opposition of these reasons. Approving additional large-scale residential development before sewer capacity constraints are fully resolved. It risks our public health impacts and forces future residents and rateayers to subsidize unplanned infrastructure upgrades. Number three reason why we oppose this the loss of prime agricultural land. This project would permanently convert agricultural land that supports local jobs, food production, and regional economic resilience. contradicting long-standing Central Valley farmland projection goals. So once we build all these homes, we're not getting that land back, that farmland. Number four, traffic and regional road congestion. Okay, some is closely tied to Route 99, which already experiences congestion, accidents, and construction disruptions. This project would significantly increase vehicle trips on local streets and Route 99, worsening the congestion and safety conditions. Um like uh sorry, I know my time's up, but just like um Mr. Chavez said, um going back to that map with only one exit, that's something really that the commission should consider. Thank you for your time. All right. Uh, first one that I have is from Zach and Nadia Gonzalez. Do you want to start the timer? And this says, "Please note, we provide the following project mitigation

concerns to protect our traffic safety and property investment. Proposed project access and exits must be limited to and from Rose Avenue and not Country View Avenue. Access to Riordan Avenue should be limited to emergency vehicles. Masonry wall and landscape treatment should be similar to residential development on the northeast corner of Floral and Dockery Avenues. No through four-way stop traffic to be permitted via I think that says Mil Street and Country View future access and exit traffic intersection. Sincerely, Zach and Nadia Gonzalez. And then they also provided um uh let's see also note that we were not officially notified in writing via a public hearing meeting notice required by any proposed SQA document. I requested from staff a copy of the proposed subdivision tenative track map. However, none none was provided. Also, no public file copy was provided to me when I personally visited city hall and asked for any subdivision preliminary design so I could study the proposed traffic circulation. Of great concern is to make sure that any proposed masonry wall treatment incorporates automatic sprinkler drip irrigation system with evergreen tree plantings spaced 20 ft apart with evergreen ice plant ground coverage for low sustainable maintenance. As previously noted, all subdivision primary vehicular traffic access and exit should be designed built from Rose Avenue and the project's easterly existing street. No four-way stop intersection should be permitted on

Mill and Country View Streets. No vehicular access points should be permitted from proposed subdivision to and from Mill or Evergreen Streets. Only emergency vehicular access should be permitted onto Jordan Avenue from and to proposed subdivision dearly Zach Gonzalez. And then I have 11 letters signed by Zimmeran Party. P A R T I

I believe it's Panu. Oh, sorry. Thank you. Um, Maria Christina Aguilera, Kimberly Diaz, Melvin and Janice Alvis, sorry, Donna Murray, that Maros B. I can't make out the last name. Sorry. Or maybe not.

Trisha Luhan, David Alves. I can't read that one. Lopez, Jesse Luhan, and Francine Mulligan. Okay. If you want to start, write your names. And these letters state, I am a neighbor neighboring resident of the proposed project requesting approval of a reszone from AE20 to R14 along the tenative track map 6514 for the development of a 237 unit single family residential community, Lavina, proposed by Crown Homes. The requested reszone would bring the project into consistency with the site's underlying land use designations of lowdensity and medium lowdensity residential. The project is proposed on approximately 54.03 acres across three parcels located on both the north and south sides of East Rose Avenue west of South Amber Avenue within the city of Selma. After reviewing the proposal, I would like to express my support for the project. Thank you for your consideration. Please feel free to contact me. And that's all that we have submitted. Thank you.

Yes. All letters will be made part of the record. That is correct. I know one that doesn't live. their address on there. All addresses are put on there.

Can you read them off, please?

117 21 South Amber Avenue.

No, she's asking about Hillrest. 2429 Chaperel Maria Aguilera first one was Simron Panu Kimberly Diaz 1021 Prairie Street Melvin Alves 11 913 East Rose Avenue Donna Murray 2054 Hillrest Marcos B. 11427 South Amber Avenue. Trisha Luhan 9577 Delray. David Alves 1561 South Bethl Avenue. Carolyn, is that what we said? Carolyn Lopez, 11836, East Nebraska. Jesse Luhan, 11778 728 South Bethl Avenue.

And then Francine Mulligan, 11489 East Rose Avenue. I guess it's lived in this neighborhood.

Uh, are there any more people who'd like to address? Remember, if you are online, press nine to raise your hand and six to mute and unmute. This is Lewis Quintana from 2435 Chaparel. uh cross from the development, but I' I'd like to offer my support to my neighbors here. I'm opposed to uh what's happening. I'm I'm not a no growth person, a citizen of Selma. I support the growth, but I I believe we just need to be smart about the right growth in the right places of of the community. But I just wanted to stand and say I agree with my neighbors and I support them 100%. Thank you. Good evening. Lesie Nelson, 2413 Country Club Lane. Um, I'm here to support the group of people who are against the subdivision. Um, we talked about years ago, we would have doctors and lawyers and business owners that would come into town. would look for custom homes, custom lots to build and there just isn't anything anymore. Um they go to other towns and and Selma just came seems real stagnant as far as that goes. So I'm just supporting um the group of people that are here and I am against the um coming from our side of where we live and same thing with us. We worked really hard to get where we are with our home. We take pride in our home. Um, and it it it will devalue the property of our of our home too as well. Thank you.

Do we have any more members of the public that would like to speak?

Good evening. Harvey saying if you can go back to map number one and then I'll uh I would appreciate that. I want to point something out uh the one with the amberwood. Uh I want to bring something out about the first the first one we saw. Yeah. You notice up there drag together Ben. You notice that first one right there. Amberwood. Those are ceramian properties right there on Floral Avenue about where that uh Yeah, it says Amberwood Pacific Land. Those are very nice homes just on the west side of Amber. Those are very affluent homes and they still are when we came here in the late60s. Yet those homes up there have smaller lot sizes than the one Mr. Crown is proposing. Some of those up there are 3,000 square foot. So when they let those go true, when the city apparently in their uh uh wheeling and dealing had those approved, what is the issue with Mr. Crown's 5,000 minimum square foot homes? Those lots up there, is it because of the word ceremonium? Do they carry a special interest or special uh preference in town? How much land went out? Farmland went out of that one for production. Somebody mentioned about farmland. How much farmland is going to go out when Serene goes all the way up to Delray Avenue, Dovewood? How much farmland? How much water is going to be saved in those areas? Okay, so let's talk apples to apples, oranges to oranges. Those are smaller lots than the one Crown has on our property and wood and El's property. Those also have very nice homes, yet not much was said. All of a sudden, you come here. Now, I've got no disrespect for the Gabian. This gentleman, I remember him at Safeway. Are you the same one, Gary? when we came to the country with Ela. There you go. And I I respect those people. I respect Les. I respect Gills.

I respect Nelson's. I respect everybody that we either grew up with or know of. They have entitlements. I'm not saying anything about them. If they have an issue with the size of the lots, that's between them and the city. But the city plan and the city planning allow for the size. Go back to number three before my time around. I want to show you something. the one where you have the overlay, especially with the zoning. Okay, let's go back to Yeah, right here. You have high density. uh how the people going to feel living next to those compared think about what you're asking for not Harvey Sings look harvesting is going to make money one way or the other Harvey Singh's going to make money one way or the other either we're going to get it from Mr. Crown or we're going to pick it up from the city for what's going

Thank you Mr. Is there anyone else that would like to address the planning commission? Remember, if you are online, push nine to raise your hand. Six will mute and unmute you.

Teresa Cullis. Um, I spoke before the planning commission the first time this came before you guys. Um, we have a lot of housing being built now, Amberwood. We've got apartment complexes over by Walmart. We've got, um, lots of housing and apartments on Nebraska and 43. Both on the east side and the west side of 43. We don't have upscale houses in Selma. We don't. My I've told you before, my daughter had to move out of Selma because there was no place to go up to from the home that they were in. This is I can't afford those houses, but if I could, that would be a very nice place to live. And so, I understand um people's feelings about their home. I live in a mobile home and I'm happy with my mobile home. I'm happy with my yard. I'm happy with my landscaping, but if I had a home that I put that much effort into, I would want to safeguard it. I would want it to stay the way it was when I bought it and not have an apartment complex next door to it or a overrun community. It's It's not that they're not nice houses. The pictures are gorgeous. Um, but compared to what's already there, it is much less than what these people have put into their homes. And if it's it takes if it's going to devalue their property in any way, I don't think it's fair. I think that the city should um work with these people. I mean, I know you had an open town hall meeting and stuff, but the developer told you nothing came of it. They talked about making that lot sizes a little bit

bigger, but nothing else really changed in what their proposal was. So, they didn't really hear the people who were there and what they had to say. So, I think that it's not just up to the developer, it's up to the city to make those concessions for the people that are currently in our community. We have a lot of people living leaving leaving because there's no place else to go. I don't want to live in a They don't want to live in a track house. They bought these houses with something in mind and they would like to keep it that way. And I mean, look around Selma. We don't have any upscale areas at all. And if you fill this area with little houses, there's not going to be room for any more big houses. Stella Ramirez, SA, California. Um, I just wanted to go back to um, tell a story. And back in 2022, my son was looking to buy a home. And after looking at all areas of Selma, he narrowed it down to three areas, and that was Country Rose, the home where most of these folks live behind the hospital, and the Raven homes. He waited and waited and waited for months, probably like maybe 6 months. Nothing ever showed up on the market. So I told him, you know what? Why don't you look into Kingsburg? And he said, um, I don't want to go over there, you know, but if I don't have a choice, then yeah. So he started um looking in Kingsburg, found a home, gated community. The same week that he found that home, another home came up on over at Raven Homes. But nothing ever came up at the homes where these folks live, both areas, Country Roads and by the hospital, because these are forever homes. These are dream homes. These are

custom homes. These are nice homes. So he bought he after looking at both, he went with the Raven home, but he kept looking on the market and nothing ever showed up. So about until about a year later and I believe that was a home on Evergreen there behind the hospital. But these are homes that they seldom go on the market. And what I'm trying to say with this is that we do need high-end homes. We really do because there is people out there that are looking for them. And we don't want to be known here in Selma as, you know, track homes or affordable homes. We want to be known for nice homes, just a variety, affordable homes, high-end homes or custom homes. So, I just wanted you all to just think about that because if we go this way, when are we going to get the custom homes back in there? We're not. Yeah. Or where are they going to go? Kingsburg? Where? Clovis, Fowler. Yeah. So, I want you really to think about that because there is people out there looking for homes, nice homes and um custom homes, but there is nothing nothing available. Thank you. Uh, any other people would like to address the commission? Okay, I'd like to bring it back to the commissioners for discussion.

So, if I may, there's just a few things I'd like to discuss with everyone here. Um, first of all, I would like to say I'm a real estate broker and the first thing I would like is more town, more houses to sell. That's how I make a living. However, I also understand the needs of my clients and my community because Selma is my hometown has been for 21 years and I've been a realtor here for 19. So, when I say I understand the needs of my community and my clients, I mean it. It is true that sometimes appraisals use like kind property and that's not what devalues a neighborhood. What devalues a neighborhood is when you build smaller homes that are about 1300 square ft next door and that person wants to upgrade. They turn and rent that home and buy something bigger. The more smaller homes you have in a community, the more it turns into a rental community. And tenants do not have a pride of ownership. Unfortunately, not all of them, but majority. And that's how the desiraability of not of that neighborhood becomes less. When somebody is going to invest a million dollar in a large estatesiz home in um big lot uh custom homes like the ones that you all own, they do look at the surrounding neighborhood. We drive around with our clients and they do consider how clean the neighborhood is, how well-maintained, what's around it, and when they see rundown neighborhoods, then now they're not going to offer a million dollar for that custom home. And that's how appraisals get affected, it's not simply square footage and like kind property. It is also supply and demand. And if no one is willing to offer a million dollar for that home, it's going

to sit on the market. uh sellers will lower the price and that that becomes your next comp. They will offer 750, they might offer 650. That's what devalues a neighborhood. So that's that's as far as appraised value and I personally hear your concern and I understand why you don't want smaller lots and smaller homes in your neighborhood. the general plan, the proposed general plan for that area because we were we were arguing that point calls for low to medium low. So, while I understand Mr. crown adhered to the proposed plan. Uh he picked the medium I guess but we also have to care for the people that invested their livelihood in those existing homes before we zone this area medium density because also we could pick the general plan that calls for low density for that area. It is the side of town that has the nice homes and the only side of town. And yes, when my clients cannot find custom homes or nicer homes, when they are professionals, business owners, they do leave to other towns. If we would like our town to have to offer to counter sorry to cater to everyone, we cannot simply build um lowincome housing because then we will become a low-income housing town. business. We drive businesses away, we drive professionals away, we drive good people that good taxpaying people away to other towns. So just like we are catering to the lowinccome um need to medium density need and to the high density need in our town, we have already approved a lot of those projects. We also need to cater to the people that do need a custom home in a

custom neighborhood and that's how we make Selma welcoming to everyone. Um I would like to say though the concern that you all have about sewer, the city has addressed that. So we do not have any more problems with our sewer because the city is putting new sewer trunk lines to allow for additional development. So I want to bring that up as well. And um I would like to say also as far as the walkability for that project, you are all right. We are not in a walking distance to any schools or any shopping centers in that area. So you definitely would need cars and it will create a congestion on Rose Avenue. Um I would this is pretty much sums up my opinion as a resident, as a planning commissioner, and as a real estate broker. That's my point. Thank you for hearing me out.

I've lived in Selma for I don't know 30 years. Yeah, I've lived here for over 30 years and um I completely understand the emotions that are behind some of the appeals that have been made tonight because I also used to live in the neighborhood behind the hospital and I also was aware of those crazy CCNRs that we had to follow in order to maintain uh neighborhood standards uh that um Mrs. Morigan was very good about enforcing. Um, we were told that Mill Street was going to continue all the way to the towers and they were going to continue building custom homes on 10,000 foot lots. And I think like Mr. Jorgensson had mentioned the uh property that was due south of his house. uh they did try to bring in a tract and it was fought and those lots were designated to be 10 to 12,000 square foot lots for custom homes. Well, there's a couple problems with that. Number one, uh with the exception of Mr. Panu and his continuation of the um existing development uh of large lots of lowdensity housing. Uh, we haven't had a developer step up and say, "I'm going to buy that 40 acres. I'm going to put 12,000 square foot lots. I'm going to put a gate on the community and I'm going to sell custom homes." If there was a market for those homes, that would be happening because developers and builders are in business to make money. Um maybe that market's going to come once the uh the uh the two this tract and the other tract builds out and this is their first home that they've purchased and they're ready to move up. And uh then maybe then a developer will step up and say, "Hey, we've got people

that can buy it, that can afford these houses. Let's go ahead and do it." Also, a lot has happened since I was in that neighborhood and a lot of it came down from the state of California and uh the California housing laws have changed very much in the last 10 12 years that have favored higher density uh affordability. Um this is a Sacramento issue that has been forced upon municipalities and um with uh with this happening in our community. There are communities in our valley that don't meet the standards of what the state of California says. I have a very good friend who lives in Clovis, lives in a very nice house. there was an empty lot directly across the street from him and the city of Clovis is being forced to build high density multiple family units there because they don't meet the requirements. Um the city is almost closer to meeting those requirements and we're making moves in that direction. However, um a lot of this is out of our control. A lot of this is

Can we comment or no?

Uh the public comment is over. I apologize. um a lot of it is out of our control and um unfortunately um we have to do what is best and what we think is best for our community. Now I'm pretty sure I'm safe in saying that most of us up here are prog growth. We want Selma to grow. We know that Selma is on a precipice. it could become a very very livable and uh likable city in the next 10 to 15 years with all kinds of development coming in. Unfortunately, we have to take the good with the bad. Um am I in favor of this personally? No. Um I I would like it to be moved, like you guys said, moved elsewhere, but it I I don't think I mean we can vote no and then it goes to the courts and then it happens anyway. Okay.

State doesn't tell you where you put the low density. It just says you have to have a percentage. So they don't have to be here. They could be anywhere in the town. Well, these are these are actually medium density. And so it's a little bit different. And I I understand that. Um and I if I still lived in your neighborhood sir I would probably agree with you vehemently and I would probably be out in the audience but now I'm up here on the dis and uh I you know

has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the citizens not just the ones who are buying the lower end houses. I understand that and we are a re recommendation body. We recommend the city council. That's it. Um what is on the agenda for us today is recommendation for the prezone. Um it's not the approval of the track. There are still a few steps that need to happen, but uh this is where maybe a little more research can be done and it can be um looked into to see if there's any other um uh steps that can be made and taken to

No, I believe approval of the map is right. But you mentioned it's a three step three things that we would be recommending approval for. So the track map is one of them. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Yeah. So it's quite of tonight's here. Okay. The recommendation for the requested prezoning annexation and tenative track map.

Now our general plan was also altered um and uh the general plan uh that was altered um allows for all this. This is all it falls within the parameters of what our 2034 general plan is. Um, that has happened since you built your homes over there. Um, I understand that you believe that that's unfortunate and I can't say I disagree with you, but you know, this is just something that maybe we're going to be having to deal with in the near future with uh what has come down from the state of California and uh the laws that have been passed as of late.

Understand how that got passed. I think that's what we're all here to I mean the purchasing of the property you know Mr. every we're all entitled to that honestly. So we're not it's just that I think that's a secondary issue. We just want to understand how the general plan and you keep talking like it's out of your hands but it was in your hand. We just want to understand. If I may just clarify that the general plan update that we're considering uh in reference to this request occurred around 2008. um general plan that we're using to review this application has been adopted by the city since 2010 formally. So there's been no general plan update since that time.

There is a reporting requirement for any general plan updates. Well, but it's still low. I mean they could choose the low versus the would still be in compliance with the general plan. Yeah. It um as Ms. Courage just stated had they chosen to go low density uh they still would have been in compliance. Uh they chose to go medium. Um this is the developer. The developer chose to go with medium density. Um yeah there are issues though with the developer issues with you guys are issues with the city.

That's the problem. If the city protected its residents, it doesn't matter what devel any developer would want to do here. You have to protect your residents. All the residents. Okay? And that's the issue. That's the issue. And that's what irritates me is that this general plan was in forced. We all built our houses based on what they told us. We knew that that was the case. Everybody we talked to said that that was the case. And then you changed it. And we're all very aware people. How come all of us in the room didn't know that this was going on? Okay. doesn't make sense. So now that we do, and like I said, we're not against development, but this is not the place for this. It's not the place for this. This kind of development goes on McCall and Dauba. Get the the the sewer set up there. Go put it there. GO. YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPMENTS ALL OVER THE city that are higher density. THIS IS THE ONLY PART OF THE TOWN that's low density. Period. That's it. NO OTHER SPOT. SO PROTECT ALL OF YOUR CITIZENS. Protect us just like you protect everybody else. That's all I'm saying.

I did.

Okay. Yeah, I have I have a com comment before you take a vote. Still has a comment. Exactly.

Well, I think you're I think you're going to like my comments, so I think I think we should wait. Um I agree with with a lot of the citizens here. Um, that story that was told about looking for homes, that was my story. I wanted in that neighborhood, in your guys' neighborhood, and guess what? There was no homes. You guys didn't move. Um yeah, I I looked everywhere. Everybody was settled. Everybody nobody was moving out. So I I moved into the Raven homes because that that fed, you know, that that um that met my needs. So we do need the high-end homes as whether people, you know, say no or yes, you we do cuz like like it was presented right now, we know as we saw on the map that we do have Amberwoods coming in. We do have, you know, um the apartments coming in over by Walmart. So I think we're good for right now. I think we do need to stick with high-end homes, custom homes. Um, I do have uh a request from the developer. Um, Kingsburg is getting Crown Homes and their square footage is 1,900 to 2,700 square footage homes on a 7,000 to 12,000 lot square. And that's right behind where I went to go see the the homes that was in the Getty community at Kings Crossing Estates. So, right behind they're getting those homes. So, why can't we get those homes here in Selma with with bigger lots with those lots? And I think all these people here would be happy. So, can we make that request?

Well, basically, you'd have to vote on something for this resolution and then the developer can decide. I know. I'm just throwing that option out there. If if if if the developer if the if the developer Mr. Crown wants to stay in Selma and he is willing to bring his business to Selma, then I think he he would work with us. Just bottom line, but he's not here, but he has a representative here. Can I ask a question? Yes. When did they file because we all know that SKF has been strangling us for years and we haven't been able to build anything because there was no highly irregular. This is the community from

you have the floor for 50 minutes. You spoke you spoke more than regular improper just to but it's testament to

No, I just have a cool question. The the the sewer just got finished on this. We saw the construction going on. So we know that that's came in. So there were comments meant that nothing has been built all this time. Well, there was no infrastructure to build anything. no developer could come in because there wasn't a sewer system to do that. So that just that just was put in right now. So this is the first development that has the chance to go in because now we finally have an infrastructure whereas before we didn't have it. So to say that nothing was built and nobody came forward, that's a misnomer because there wasn't any there was no way for them to do it because there was no infrastructure. There was nowhere for the crap to go because SKF didn't have any. But now,

so at this point, we're going to go ahead and take it to a vote. Okay. After Mr. Kesler makes his comment,

I'm really concerned the traffic issue and and this has been approved by our police and fire, one way out, one way in. Um, that really bothers me way more than the type of housing it is because it wouldn't matter. one way out, one way in doesn't seem uh the best for the the city of Selma at all. And for the people whether it's high density houses or low density houses, it makes no sense. So, did we have a traffic report or any kind of study stating that?

Yes, there is a traffic impact report that's attached to the applicants application. Um and also just to draw your attention to the proposed tract map. Each portion of the project has two um access points. So the northern portion of the project uh is off of Rose Avenue and South Amber Avenue. There's two separate entries and the south southern portion and there's two access points off of Rose Avenue and one down south off of Roen. Wow. 200 homes. Okay. So, uh, at this time I would like to take it to a vote. Could we have a roll call, please?

Make a motion. Okay. Second. No, you need a motion. I need a motion to have a vote. No, no, you need a motion whether to approve or disapprove. Sorry. Thank you. I apologize. Um, a little emotional right now. Um, I'd like to I need to have a motion to approve Let me read it in just to be safe. Tentative subdivision map and annexation prezone linia tract 6514. We got a second.

I second the motion to approve it. Oh, not to approve. No, sorry. We have a a motion and no second. Nice.

We make a motion to disapprove. Make a motion to dis Uh, is there another motion that somebody would like to make regarding tenative subdivision map and annex section pre-zoned lavvenia tract 6514? I make a motion that we continue to leave this area low density as it was promised to all those residents who built in that area. I I would interpret that as a motion to reject making the recommendation to the city council that they approve this track map and annexation. That's my motion. Yeah. I second the motion to reject this.

Uh Vice Chair Stenridge. Yes. Commissioner uh Corey. Yes. Commissioner Hall, yes. Commissioner uh Kesler, Commissioner Ramirez, yes. Garcia, no.

Okay. Um, yeah. Do we do we need We're done. Okay. So, just make a motion that um Do we have a motion to adjurnn? I'll second. Thank you. Meeting journ. Thank you all.