Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, February 11, 2026

About this meeting

Government Body
Planning Commission
Meeting Type
Planning Commission
Location
Santa Clara, CA
Meeting Date
February 11, 2026

Transcript

832 sections (from 872 segments)

3:01 – 5:27Speaker 1

We will be starting the meeting shortly. Thank you. We are ready to start the meeting.

5:32 – 5:58Speaker 2

Called order of the meeting of the Planning Commission of City of Santa Clara starting at 06:04. Okay. Everybody please stand for the pledge of allegiance and then remain standing for the statement of values. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

5:58Speaker 3

under God, indivisible, and liberty and justice for all.

6:02Speaker 2

And please remain standing.

6:04 – 6:31Speaker 3

As we and will to perform our obligations and duties to our people with justice to all. Let us seek wisdom so that we may act in the best interest of our people, our neighbors and our country. All this we ask so we may serve our community with fairness and respect putting their needs before all.

6:31Speaker 2

Thank you very much please be seated. Elizabeth, please call the roll.

6:42Speaker 1

Commissioner Bottinigar? Present. Commissioner Bijini? Here. Commissioner Chair Kuru?

6:48Speaker 1

Commissioner Wang?

6:49Speaker 1

Commissioner Buza?

6:50Speaker 1

Commissioner Salim?

6:52Speaker 1

Chair Kretchlow?

6:58Speaker 2

So Secretary Chiracou, could you read the declaration of commission procedures?

7:04 – 7:31Speaker 3

Public hearings are conducted by the chair in accordance with the following procedures. The chair of the commission directs all activity during the hearings. All comments shall be addressed to the commission. Any item on this agenda may be continued to a subsequent hearing. Applicants will be allotted up to ten minutes to present and justify proposals.

7:33 – 8:09Speaker 3

Following staff presentation of the item. Other speakers will be given up to two minutes. The applicant is allocated up to five minutes for rebuttal or comments. No additional comments will be accepted upon the close of the public hearing although the commission reserves the right to direct questions to any speaker on any matter. Special procedures limits may be applied to any items as prescribed by the chair. Appeal of commission actions must be filed in writing within seven calendar days. Thank you, chair.

8:10 – 8:39Speaker 2

Thank you. Copies of the current agenda and staff reports for each of the items on the agenda are available from the planning division office on the Friday afternoon preceding the meeting and available online. Continue instances and exceptions. This part of the meeting allows for applicants, members of the public, or other interested parties to request an item b one, continued without hearing, two, withdrawn, or three, taken out of order. Are there any requests from applicants, the public,

8:39Speaker 3

or the commission for continuance

8:41Speaker 2

or exception for any items on tonight's agenda?

8:46Speaker 1

No, we do not have any requests.

8:50 – 9:04Speaker 2

Thank you very much. Okay. So on the consent calendar, there's one item on the consent calendar today. Secretary Cherkuru, would you please read the procedure for the consent calendar.

9:04 – 9:47Speaker 3

The procedure for the consent calendar is as follows consent calendar items may be enacted approved or adopted by one motion unless requested to be removed by anyone for discussion or explanation. If any member of the Planning Commission, staff, the applicant or a member of the public wishes to comment on a consent calendar item or would like the item to be heard on the regular agenda, please make this request now. Items listed today on tonight's consent calendar with associated file number do constitute public hearing items. Today's one item only. 1A planning commission meeting minutes of 01/14/2026.

9:48Speaker 2

This is where we start public presentation. We want to just vote on the minutes and then go to the break.

9:54Speaker 1

Then we're going to go to public presentations after the consent calendar then we're going

9:58Speaker 7

to take a break.

10:01Speaker 3

I move that we approve the Planning Commission meeting minutes of 01/14/2026. I

10:07Speaker 8

will abstain. I was not here in January.

10:19 – 10:31Speaker 1

ahead and cast your vote please. And thank you the motion passed.

10:32Speaker 2

Okay so the public presentations. Do you wanna take a?

10:38Speaker 2

After, okay. Yeah. There any members of the public that would like to briefly address the commission on any item not on the agenda? We

10:50Speaker 1

do not have any hands raised or anyone in the chambers requesting to make a presentation.

10:57Speaker 2

Okay. Moving on to the public hearing.

11:00Speaker 1

We are gonna go ahead and take a break at this point.

11:04Speaker 2

Okay. How long of a break do we need?

11:13Speaker 7

A ten minute break would be great.

11:15 – 11:41Speaker 2

Break for ten minutes. We have a few items that we need to prepare for the rest of the night. So we're just technically getting some stuff started. That's why we're taking such an immediate break.

12:35Speaker 7

Unmute and save the translator.

12:55Speaker 9

You are muted. I cannot hear you.

13:12Speaker 1

Can you hear me now?

13:16Speaker 9

We can hear you.

13:18Speaker 1

It possible for you to give us a phone number and for us to have the person call you on the phone so you can just translate to them via phone? Yeah.

13:30Speaker 1

And maybe you could just hold your phone number up to me on the screen so I don't like it doesn't get broadcast.

13:40Speaker 1

Okay. Just hold it up on a piece of paper for me.

13:50Speaker 9

I cannot write it on the chat.

13:53Speaker 10

We don't have a chat enabled unfortunately, that's our problem. A

14:02Speaker 1

little closer. A little bit closer.

14:08 – 14:21Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you, perfect. I'm going to have them call you and then that way they can hear you directly and it won't get all messed up with all the conversation going back and forth so they can hear you better.

16:11Speaker 2

This item let's see. I'm gonna start with item two.

16:21 – 16:36Speaker 2

So I want to preface a few things here. We're having a translator here. And so number one, I want to remind everybody, please use your microphones so that the translator can hear you.

16:43 – 17:13Speaker 2

speak slowly. And if the translator has any problems with hearing or, you know, the Zoom or anything, please let us know, and we'll stop and we'll go back. Any questions from staff or planning commission? Okay. Thank you.

17:17 – 18:06Speaker 2

on an appeal PLN25Dash00562 of the community development director's denial of a zoning clearance. PZC20Five-three81. For a smoke shop located at 770. Kylie Boulevard. Kylie Boulevard.

18:11Speaker 2

Okay, staff, do you have a presentation?

18:23Speaker 7

Through the chair, if I may, do you want to ask about ex parte communications?

18:29 – 19:00Speaker 2

So so when I read about the appeal tonight, I did go to the store to look at it. I did not talk to anybody regarding tonight's topic. And that's all I did. Does anybody else have any

19:01 – 19:12Speaker 5

okay. I also went to the store. Mister Bousa? Yes. I also went by the store to look at the store and the location.

19:19Speaker 2

Okay. So staff presentation.

19:52Speaker 11

Yes. Good evening, commissioners. Tracy Tam, associate

19:56Speaker 9

planner. Tracy Tam.

20:09 – 21:49Speaker 11

The request before you tonight is an action on an appeal of the community development director's denial of a zoning clearance for smoke shop located at 770 Kiley Boulevard. The project site is located roughly at the intersection of Homestead Road and Kaili Boulevard. As noted on the map, you see that it is located within a commercial area surrounded by single family residential to the South and to the West. The general plan designation is neighborhood mixed use. And the zoning district is mixed use neighborhood commercial.

22:01 – 24:21Speaker 11

To give a little bit of background, prior to 2024, the zoning code stated that pipe and tobacco shops were not allowed in the neighborhood commercial zoning district. In February '24, The city undertook a comprehensive zoning code update. And as part of that update, a zoning clearance from the planning division was required. Prior to obtaining a business license. In July 2024, the zoning district for the subject property Was changed from neighborhood commercial to mixed use neighborhood commercial.

24:28 – 25:59Speaker 11

And so during this July 2024 update, to the zoning code, a pipe and tobacco shops were no longer allowed in any zoning district. In June, the city undertook a second cleanup to the zoning code. Which was adopted by council. As part of that update, a definition for smoke shops was added to the zoning code. And smoke shops were added as a listed use.

26:11 – 27:29Speaker 11

But they are not allowed in mixed use neighborhood commercial zoning district. But they are conditionally permitted in the four zones you see on the screen. Do you want to make a correction to the staff report? To note that smoke shops are not allowed in R 6. A bit more background for you all.

27:36 – 29:08Speaker 11

May, an application for a business tax certificate was submitted to the finance department. And as a reminder, the last cleanup ordinance for the zoning code was adopted in June. In September, planning staff informed the At the subject site. Through conversations with the applicant? Staff suggested the approach of filing.

29:18 – 31:08Speaker 11

For zoning clearance for a convenience store. With ancillary tobacco sales. Therefore, the application for zoning clearance was filed in October of informed staff of their intention to operate a smoke shop. As the smoke shop is prohibited at the project site? Staff could not approve the zoning clearance application.

31:18 – 32:41Speaker 11

In December, The applicant requested a formal written denial of the zoning clearance for a smoke shop. As noted, a smoke shop is not permitted. In the mixed use neighborhood commercial zoning district. And the city code definition of a smoke shop? Is provided on the screen.

32:55 – 33:16Speaker 11

The general plan designation is neighborhood mixed use. And this designation is intended for pedestrian oriented development.

33:24 – 34:54Speaker 11

a focus on ground level neighborhood serving retail uses. Properties with this general plan land use designation are generally located near single family residential. City staff sent a notice of tonight's hearing at a 300 foot notice radius. And staff received one public comment in opposition of the smoke shop. The public comment is included in your packets tonight.

35:08 – 36:03Speaker 11

The California Environmental Quality Act does not apply to projects that are disapproved. As noted in sequel guidelines section one five two seven zero. Staff recommends that the planning commission Determine that the project is not subject to CEQA.

36:21 – 37:08Speaker 11

And CEQA guidelines section one five two seven zero. And affirm the community development director's decision. In denying the zoning clearance for a smoke shop. And this concludes staff's presentation.

37:09 – 37:23Speaker 2

Thank you, staff. Any questions for staff? Commissioner Bijini?

37:28 – 39:11Speaker 8

as I understand it, the July 2024 timeframe? Was when the zone was changed to mixed use neighborhood commercial? I'm struggling to be clear about this. Was there any point in time from the July 2024 timeframe Up until today, was any of the updates or changes, did any of them authorize smoke shops in the MUNC zone? No.

39:14Speaker 8

it's still an MURC zone?

39:26Speaker 11

The zoning district is MUNC.

39:41 – 40:13Speaker 8

Another question. Let's see. How can I say this? Was it a requirement back in early twenty twenty five? That you had to get a zoning clearance before you got a business tax certificate.

40:32Speaker 8

And has that been a recent change?

40:43Speaker 11

The requirement for zoning clearance.

40:53Speaker 2

Staff, repeat that answer.

40:54Speaker 8

Could speak up? Staff?

41:00Speaker 11

The zoning clearance was required in 2024.

41:16Speaker 8

Before a business tax certificate. Right?

41:21 – 41:56Speaker 11

Correct. The zoning clearance was required in 2024, and it was new at that time.

41:57Speaker 8

And what at that time?

41:58Speaker 3

We can't hear you, Dan. You need to speak up.

42:17Speaker 11

The zoning clearance was required in 2024 before obtaining a business tax certificate.

42:26Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you. That's all my questions for now.

42:50Speaker 3

In our ordinance, do we have a distance to the nearest school?

43:11Speaker 11

Could you clarify if that is for a distance requirement for smoke shops?

43:16Speaker 3

For a smoke shop. Correct.

43:27Speaker 11

Our zoning code does not have a distance requirement from smoke shops to schools. Thank you.

43:51Speaker 2

Any other questions from

43:53 – 44:20Speaker 5

Yeah, I got something. Can we have staff speak up a little bit so we can hear you, you know, clearer? Speak up. So, missed the last one that you said, the last part that you said. Can you repeat what you said

44:20Speaker 2

before regarding the ordinance?

44:34Speaker 11

A zoning clearance was required in 2024 prior to the issuance of a business tax certificate.

45:09Speaker 2

You good? Thank you, staff. Any other? Anyone else have questions? No?

45:23 – 45:37Speaker 2

Thank you very much for the presentation. Thank you, translator. Okay. So now for the appellant's presentation.

45:43 – 45:57Speaker 2

we will now move to the appellant, Hold on. Just

45:57Speaker 1

one moment, please.

45:58Speaker 2

One moment. Appellant requested the services of an interpreter who is present online.

46:08 – 46:20Speaker 1

One moment. We will be providing you twenty minutes to speak, which is double the time of the normal ten minutes due to the translation.

46:40Speaker 2

You may begin.

46:52Speaker 13

My name is I

47:03 – 47:17Speaker 9

am the applicant of this appeal. The file number is Pcc25-three81.

47:33Speaker 9

I submit the application in April 2025.

47:43 – 48:06Speaker 9

prior to the changes of the codes in July. Ordinance. So specifically, the decision of the application was made in December 2025.

48:12 – 48:47Speaker 9

that time, it was after the ordinance amendment. The interpreter require repetition.

49:04 – 49:53Speaker 9

Was applied to my situation in a very, I guess, not applicable way. To that, I visited the ordinance office three times. And I informed I was informed that I don't need the COP.

50:00 – 50:55Speaker 9

order to avoid any misunderstanding, I follow-up again. Up until now, I still have not received any response. Yeah, I want, the point that I want to make is the appeal that I made this time, it is about the timing and the process of the application.

51:01 – 52:00Speaker 9

do not mean to challenge the city policy. Yeah. I I'm here not to request any special treatment from the city. I would like to request the party to review according to the the effect of the regulation at that time.

52:26 – 52:53Speaker 2

Is that the end of the presentation? Thank you. Are there any questions from the commission for the appellant? Mission to be Eugenie.

52:54Speaker 8

Respectfully, you have said you received no communication from the city?

53:35 – 54:01Speaker 9

Yeah. So because I went to the office in person three times and then I because I was concerned my English is not good enough, you know, I double confirm again, and I actually also brought a friend with me to make sure that all I needed at that time time is a business certificate.

54:02 – 54:18Speaker 8

So I'm a little confused. Did you ever get a formal written denial letter on the planning application in December 2025?

54:44Speaker 9

I did not receive any denial letter in July 2025.

54:52 – 55:03Speaker 8

No. December 20 do not apologize for your English. You have a good interpreter. I meant denial in December 2025.

55:30Speaker 9

Yeah. They did not send me the deny the letter of denial. I have to request them to send me a copy.

55:42Speaker 9

Specifically, I received the letter, I need to look it up.

55:49Speaker 8

I just wanted to make sure that you eventually did get one, but it was after you requested in December?

56:15Speaker 9

Yes. I received a letter of denial on 12/15/2020 Thank

56:24Speaker 8

you. I wanted to make sure that you did get one but it wasn't until after you asked in December 2025.

56:54Speaker 13

Yes, correct. Okay. One

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more question.

57:05 – 57:25Speaker 8

understand a few things. First, I'll go slow. Staff suggested you modify the business from a smoke stop smoke shop to a convenience store, correct, in October 2025?

57:52 – 58:10Speaker 8

okay. And you did submit a proposed floor plan, but you changed your mind October to do a smoke shop and not a convenience store after all. Correct?

58:32Speaker 13

Yes, correct.

58:40 – 58:53Speaker 9

Yes, yes. I think the whole process that I'm going through this process, I I don't I I don't think I make any mistake. I didn't do anything wrong.

58:54 – 59:06Speaker 8

Thank you. May I ask why you you started with Smoke Shop, you changed to convenience store, and then you changed back to Smoke Shop. May I ask why?

59:45 – 1:00:04Speaker 9

Yeah. So because the CD suggested me and wanted me to change it to the convenience store, but later on, on, I felt like something is not right. I didn't do anything wrong. So that's why I changed it back.

1:00:05Speaker 8

Okay. I was gonna say thank you but maybe she wants to add something.

1:00:14Speaker 2

Hold on. If if you want to come up and help, you're welcome to come up. Yeah.

1:00:23Speaker 8

I want her to feel good. She has everything she needs to say.

1:00:54 – 1:01:28Speaker 9

Yes, the interpreter require clarification. Okay. Yeah. I would like to remind you, which is the appellant, that you you send them email. You actually ask them is it it for me to to open the smoke store at this site? And I and and you did not get a reply. Okay. No doubt.

1:01:29Speaker 8

Thank you. This was October 2025?

1:01:51 – 1:02:03Speaker 9

No. That was when in April, I sent the email. And also in April, I talked to them in person face to face three times.

1:02:07Speaker 2

Any other questions from commissioners? Commissioner Wang?

1:02:14Speaker 15

May I speak in Mandarin or I have to speak in Yunishu?

1:02:17Speaker 2

Go ahead in Mandarin and then if you want to translate your own words.

1:02:22Speaker 8

She can translate you too.

1:02:24Speaker 2

No no no. So if you want your own words, fine, but the appellant still has the translator. Would that be okay or?

1:02:31Speaker 7

Through the chair if I may. If you want to speak in Mandarin, I'd just recommend that the translator translate it.

1:02:37Speaker 2

It. So go ahead and do it in Mandarin. The translator will translate your words. Okay.

1:02:56 – 1:03:27Speaker 9

Yes. You mentioned that in April 2025, you sent e mail to the city, but no reply, correct? Yes. Did you receive any, I guess, this email that the address, the email address may not be correct or wrong address or something? Oh, I have I have a proof Okay.

1:04:13 – 1:04:45Speaker 9

the cities suggested you to change it to convenience store, and you think it is not appropriate. That's why you didn't make effort to further this to to to further pursue it. Right? No. It's it's not I guess, it's my original plan is to to open a smoke shop, but it ended up right now I am unable to open it.

1:04:45 – 1:05:26Speaker 9

If at the at the very beginning, the the process, I was given a clear answer that I'm not permitted, then I will not have to spend so much time and investment onto this matter. And also, open the convenience store may replicate some of the businesses adjusting that area.

1:05:29Speaker 2

Translator, can you repeat that last interpretation?

1:05:32 – 1:05:46Speaker 9

Also, opening a convenience store may replicate similar business that is around that area.

1:05:47Speaker 15

Thanks. Yeah. Thank you.

1:05:49Speaker 2

Any other questions? When

1:05:58 – 1:06:17Speaker 3

you applied for the business license, Did you apply for a smoke shop specifically or just a retail store license?

1:06:54 – 1:07:10Speaker 9

Yes. Specifically, it's the smoke shop for the smoke shop, but I also need the retail license. But I apply it at the retail agency.

1:07:14 – 1:07:35Speaker 3

I'm sorry, I don't know if that explicitly answered. What does your sorry, what does your license specifically give you approval for?

1:07:55Speaker 3

staff, do we have the copy of that business permit?

1:08:12Speaker 11

The city has not issued her a business license.

1:08:26 – 1:08:52Speaker 3

Applicant, can you submit proof of your business license to this commission? Thank you.

1:09:13 – 1:09:37Speaker 7

Through the chair, if I may ask, is this information that's in our packet today? I'd ask that we take a brief recess just to make sure we have copies of this for everyone.

1:09:49 – 1:10:05Speaker 2

It will take a brief recess to review the document. Thank you. Were we go ahead, Translator, can you hear us?

1:10:05Speaker 9

Yes. Okay. Thank you.

1:10:07Speaker 2

So we're going to continue with Commissioner Chariku's questions.

1:10:19 – 1:11:04Speaker 3

Did you get a translation of this application with anybody in when you submitted did you get help reading this? No, I'm asking a question. Did she get help in reading and reviewing what this paper says?

1:11:27Speaker 9

Yeah I read it. I understand.

1:11:30 – 1:11:45Speaker 3

Okay. Do you see the first line on top that says thank you for your submission. You will receive an email notification once your request has been processed.

1:12:06Speaker 9

Yeah, I received an email.

1:12:09 – 1:12:50Speaker 3

And what where is the so this is your submission. This is your submission to the city. Did you get the approval back from the city? City.

1:12:52Speaker 3

It says city of Santa Clara.

1:13:08Speaker 9

Yeah. No. I I have not received it. If I receive it, I'm not I won't be here, appealing

1:13:17Speaker 3

my application. Sorry. Could you repeat? Repeat?

1:13:21Speaker 9

Have not received it. If I will receive the application, I won't have be here to

1:13:30 – 1:13:49Speaker 3

do my filing in front There of you. Are two parts to your process. Two parts. One is the business license.

1:13:55 – 1:14:13Speaker 3

is the land use itself. So your first one, you did not receive an approval on your business license.

1:14:42 – 1:14:54Speaker 9

Yeah, I didn't I I did not receive the business license because of misleading from the planning complete committee?

1:14:54 – 1:15:10Speaker 3

No. So the city business license unit is different from the planning land use. So I'm talking only about your business license. I'll come to your land use.

1:15:25 – 1:15:47Speaker 13

I I think beginning, I really clean up. I I went to this department three times. Also, I emailed to them. So, them say I only need business and license. Never talk about NAND license. Okay. Okay.

1:15:49Speaker 3

Okay. When did you apply for this? April 2025.

1:15:56Speaker 3

We are almost a year later. Did you follow-up with the business license?

1:16:06 – 1:16:17Speaker 3

Okay. So you do understand. Okay. And what did they tell you when you went for your business license? Not your land use, not the planning department, your business license.

1:16:54Speaker 9

They sent me an email and asked me to wait.

1:16:57Speaker 3

Okay. So I just want you to understand. You do not have a business license.

1:17:03Speaker 7

Through the chair, if I may. I just wanna remind everyone this is clarifying questions portion of the evening.

1:17:10 – 1:17:22Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you so much. Question two applicant, are you the landlord or just a representative of the LLC?

1:17:57Speaker 3

Are you able to translate? Is she owner of the land? Is she the landlord or is she a business operator only?

1:18:19 – 1:18:39Speaker 12

We are renting the property, not the owner, not the landlord.

1:18:39Speaker 3

Okay. Okay. Thank you for answering.

1:18:45Speaker 2

Commissioner Salim.

1:18:48Speaker 9

Council chamber is muted. I cannot hear.

1:18:57Speaker 2

So, staff, can we make sure that the translator is unmuted because they can't hear?

1:19:06Speaker 6

Let me know when you're ready.

1:19:10Speaker 2

Okay. Can you hear now?

1:19:11Speaker 9

Yes. Now I can hear. Thank you.

1:19:14Speaker 2

Was there anything you had missed?

1:19:22Speaker 9

I think after the gentleman.

1:19:25Speaker 2

Okay. So what I what I had said is Commissioner Salim at the end has some questions.

1:19:37Speaker 6

it's question than clarification.

1:19:40Speaker 9

Go ahead. Okay.

1:19:46 – 1:20:04Speaker 6

I went to the website website for the business. It's 100% smoke shop. Okay. There's no tobacco. It's a vaping and bong shop. Okay. Just for clarification.

1:20:05Speaker 2

Well, is that a question?

1:20:06 – 1:20:17Speaker 6

It's not a question. That was for commissioner Bianchini's comments. It helps to understand. I have question. Could the Yeah.

1:20:17Speaker 2

I have one second. It's a translator. Did you hear all that? Because I wanna make sure we're not you repeat it? Repeat it. Could you just repeat it as a question, please?

1:20:25Speaker 6

I'll I'll direct it as a question.

1:20:27Speaker 9

Website for the business, and then you say it's 100% smoke shop. And then what?

1:20:33 – 1:21:57Speaker 6

And there's no tobacco. It's only vaping and pong use equipment. Okay. So the question for the applicant is was there any, I have to re ask it, when did it actually start operation when the paperwork hadn't been complete? That's it.

1:21:57Speaker 6

I'll just leave it at that.

1:22:02Speaker 3

I Sorry. I was trying to understand it.

1:22:07Speaker 2

Does the applicant, appellant, understand that there's a question? Did you hear the question for you?

1:22:14Speaker 9

What was the last question? I'll

1:22:18 – 1:22:33Speaker 6

try again. When did she start engaging in business when all of the paperwork hadn't been complete? When did she start satisfying orders?

1:22:35Speaker 2

In other words, when was the shop open for business? Yeah.

1:22:38Speaker 6

That's a simple way to put it. Thank you.

1:22:57 – 1:23:13Speaker 3

So you operated a business without a city business license and without a land use approval to operate a smoke shopconvenience store.

1:23:39Speaker 2

Can you hold on before you respond to this?

1:23:49Speaker 7

don't we take a pause in the public hearing?

1:23:58 – 1:24:13Speaker 2

I'll take just a short recess. Thank you. So question,

1:24:18Speaker 3

did you operate your business before receiving approval?

1:25:12 – 1:25:27Speaker 9

Yeah. So at that time, the situation is like that. The the city I applied for the city Santa Clara business license. They asked me to wait, and then

1:25:28 – 1:26:00Speaker 13

No. Not to wait. He the planning, see, I just the plans of business license. It doesn't don't need to do the anything. And I just wait wait into think it's June June or July, and the fire department come to my store, check license, and them say I'm missing missing one license is a city license.

1:26:00 – 1:26:21Speaker 13

So this is why I went to the city. Why I'm missing the one city license. So this is the way I I opened the business, like, June or June. I think it's June.

1:26:22Speaker 3

When did you apply for your land use?

1:26:36 – 1:26:47Speaker 13

I don't know. I need the land use because the department never told me.

1:26:49 – 1:27:00Speaker 13

I think I because I asked you three times and email them. So Okay.

1:27:01Speaker 3

Understood. And I understand. And thank you for being here. We are just trying to to get facts.

1:27:12Speaker 5

Have a question.

1:27:23Speaker 5

have a question. Thank you. How you went ahead and opened the business and started selling products. Is that correct?

1:27:37Speaker 1

Can you repeat the question again?

1:27:40 – 1:28:08Speaker 7

Through the chair, if I may, just clarify something. Right now, we are determining whether or not the director's decision to deny the permit application was accurate, and the information that is being sought is enough for whatever you need to determine whether or not that director's determination was accurate. So we're looking at the facts on whether or not the permit should or should not have been issued.

1:28:08 – 1:28:19Speaker 5

Thank you so much for making that clear, but I have a question. How did you get a resale license, an SRG license to sell products?

1:28:25Speaker 9

The interpreter does not understand the question.

1:28:28 – 1:28:43Speaker 5

How do How you did you get to get how did you get a resale license from the state of California, the state of equalization board to sell products if you did not have a business license?

1:29:00 – 1:29:12Speaker 13

I I have California department and the sales permit and retail license and tobacco license.

1:29:14Speaker 5

So but you didn't have a business license to show them then?

1:29:21 – 1:29:36Speaker 13

I I saw I got it because planning department say I just need a private business licenses. So so

1:29:40 – 1:30:10Speaker 2

Okay. So let's just make sure we're focused on what questions we're trying to ask here. As council stated, do they do we have the information we need based on what we're trying to do here with the commission and the city for you know proper and such were issued. Okay? And if you wanna clarify some more. Are you okay? Hold on. Before I before I go too far a translator, did you understand what I was saying?

1:30:10Speaker 9

Can you repeat? I thought you were talking to among each other.

1:30:14 – 1:30:32Speaker 2

I do, but I want to make sure the applicant knows what we're saying. So I just want to make sure that the commission understands what we're trying to what information we're trying to get in order to look at this appeal and keep it focused on on that. And it's the commission

1:30:32Speaker 6

that I'm talking about,

1:30:33 – 1:31:01Speaker 2

not anything the applicant appellant has said. Okay. So any more questions for the appellant? Okay. Commissioner Salim and

1:31:01Speaker 6

I'm gonna say the

1:31:02Speaker 2

appellant. Real quick. Thank you very much for your patience.

1:31:06Speaker 13

Thank you, guys. Thank you.

1:31:07Speaker 2

Now hold on. Please just we still I'm sorry. We still have some questions. But you're very patient.

1:31:14Speaker 9

Okay. Commissioner.

1:31:17Speaker 6

Think I think my question is going to be directed to the city attorney, so I guess we can wait until close of presentation. Sure.

1:31:37Speaker 2

Any other questions?

1:31:42 – 1:31:58Speaker 2

Thank you very much. You know, I know this has been very hard and we're just trying to to determine the facts here and and make a fair judgment. So that's why we had a lot of questions. But thank you very much for your patience. So you you may sit down.

1:32:18 – 1:32:31Speaker 2

Okay. So at this time, we're gonna move to public testimony. Each member of the public will have two minutes to speak, and I may allow a little bit more since, obviously, there's translation that needs to be accomplished. So Elizabeth?

1:32:44Speaker 1

We do not have any hands raised on Zoom. If you would like to come up to the podium. And give me just a moment. Child two minutes to speak.

1:32:52 – 1:33:22Speaker 2

So what I would ask, please come forward and just speak slowly and then try not use any colloquialisms. We wanna make sure that the interpreter understands and that the appellant understands what you're saying. Thank you. Just know you're gonna have to stop at times for the translator. I understand. Thank you.

1:33:32Speaker 16

My name is Wassupile. I've lived in the city of Santa Clara for thirty five years.

1:33:45 – 1:35:09Speaker 16

own the property at 2800 Homestead Road, which is a AMPM convenience store, cigarette and liquor store. The sad business shares a easement behind my property. The with this is they have been operating a business for six about eight months now. I have operated this business for thirty years and the city is very, very good at noticing things, but what happened here? I paid over $6,000,000 for this property.

1:35:18 – 1:36:14Speaker 16

20 feet away from me, you have a smoke shop that sells cigarettes and all the other stuff? I have nothing against the owners of this property. To date, they have been operating the business in a very responsible way. I have not noticed anything. So I just want to say there is a big misunderstanding somewhere.

1:36:15 – 1:36:55Speaker 16

The city people drive past there, the mayor drives past there. That's all I gotta say. The only issue here is I it's a shame that I gotta speak against my neighbors. They are really my neighbors, and I'm standing here talking against them, which is not nice. I think it has a lot to do with the planning commission. Thank you. Any questions?

1:37:12 – 1:37:29Speaker 2

No. We we don't ask questions that will have public comment. But thank you for your time. Clerk, anyone else wants to speak?

1:37:32 – 1:37:46Speaker 1

Do we have any other speakers in the chambers? No, we do not. And no speakers on Zoom.

1:37:47Speaker 9

Zoom the shipping Okay.

1:37:55Speaker 2

So now to the rebuttal?

1:38:03 – 1:38:17Speaker 2

at this time, the appellant Wu, if you want to take an opportunity to services of an interpreter who was present online and therefore will be allotted an additional time of up to ten minutes.

1:38:46 – 1:38:57Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. I'll now return to staff. Is there anything you would want to clarify or add to the record?

1:39:07Speaker 2

At this time, I'm just gonna ask commissioner Salim. You said you had a question for staff?

1:39:11Speaker 6

No. I need I think we need to close public hearing before we

1:39:14Speaker 8

I'm ready to make the motion.

1:39:22Speaker 2

Motion for closed public hearing?

1:39:25Speaker 8

Motion to close public discussion?

1:39:33Speaker 2

The motion was made by commissioner BioGenie, seconded by commissioner Wang.

1:39:40 – 1:39:51Speaker 1

Go ahead and cast your vote, please. Thank you. Public comment is closed. Thank you.

1:39:53Speaker 3

Please translate.

1:40:03 – 1:40:15Speaker 2

So the commission now deliberates and actions, so we're going to go ahead and move to deliberations and any actions. So, they want to speak? Mr. Saline? Through

1:40:24 – 1:40:36Speaker 7

the chair, and if I may, this is the time when the translator will reach or when our appellant will reach out to the translator, and we will no longer be doing live translation.

1:40:44Speaker 9

interpreter will turn off the video and audio and then accept the phone?

1:40:50Speaker 7

And continue to translate for the appellant over the phone, correct.

1:40:55Speaker 9

Okay. Do I need to make a call or they will call? She

1:40:59Speaker 7

is calling you right now.

1:41:00Speaker 9

Okay. I'm waiting.

1:41:22Speaker 2

Wanna keep that number private so hold on a second.

1:41:30Speaker 9

Haven't received any phone call yet. Wait.

1:41:32Speaker 2

Wait one second. It's coming.

1:42:11 – 1:42:23Speaker 9

Hello? Okay. Yeah. Right now, I'm on the call with the appellate.

1:42:25Speaker 9

I'm going to mute.

1:42:28 – 1:42:44Speaker 2

Yes, please. Okay. Can the appellant hear the translator? Is that a yes? Yes?

1:42:53Speaker 2

can hear okay? Thank you. Just wanna So now any questions, comments?

1:43:02Speaker 6

So my question is kind of directly to the city attorney. I'm concerned

1:43:06Speaker 2

Do me a favor, hold up. I got some comments people can't hear on Zoom or listening on TV, so please make sure.

1:43:14 – 1:43:33Speaker 6

Yeah, I will speak into the microphone. So I'm concerned that you've guided us that we needed to focus on the application, but is it appropriate for us to make rulings on an application for a business that is apparently operating outside of legal status?

1:43:34 – 1:44:06Speaker 7

So the decision before you tonight is whether or not you will, you agree with or you disagree with the director's decision on the application. So this is an appeal, and on appeal according to the city's municipal code, or zoning code actually. Your options are to affirm the determination that was made on the application, affirm in part, vacate, modify, or reverse the action. That is what is being considered tonight.

1:44:09 – 1:44:45Speaker 6

It seems very strange because if we are making a decision on the recommendation to deny something for a business, it helps us to realize whether that business is a valid business before we even make any judgments on it. If it is not operating in a valid way, then none of the decisions we make seems to be any way appropriate or applicable. So I'm questioning the legality of us making recommendations and decisions on something that has a more fundamental issue.

1:44:46 – 1:45:16Speaker 7

So to clarify, the director made a decision to deny the zoning clearance application. The appellant is here because they are appealing the decision of the denial. What's being considered tonight is whether or not the director's decision to deny the zoning clearance, you're gonna affirm that decision, you're gonna affirm in part, vacate, modify, or reverse that action.

1:45:18 – 1:45:37Speaker 6

I don't think repeating it helps. Yeah, I'm going to defer now to other commissioners, but I think I'm gonna register my concern that the city is asking us to make a decision about something we shouldn't be making a decision about at all. Period.

1:45:37Speaker 7

We're not making a decision on

1:45:39 – 1:46:03Speaker 6

We're making that a decision as to uphold an action from someone that is officially part of the city and asking us to either affirm or deny. If we affirm or deny, we are doing so outside of the scope of the business possibly being inappropriately running in the city in the first place, which seems completely contradict contradictory to the purpose of the commission.

1:46:03 – 1:46:22Speaker 7

So what we're deciding tonight is an appeal. So an appeal is someone saying they disagree with the determination that was made by the planning director and you are to consider whether or not based on all the information presented tonight you agree with that determination or you disagree with that determination.

1:46:24 – 1:47:55Speaker 3

Through the chair, if I might just help legality versus process if I could separate the two. The director has received an application for allowing a land use and has denied it based on facts evidence zoning whatever. The ability for us to take a decision is based on that application whether they are running it illegally is a different question, meaning that they have decided to operate while the land use application has still been in process and that is outside the purview of the city staff at this time if I understand what has happened versus what is in front of us is there was an applicant rental decided to go apply for both a business license was told that they needed or didn't need and was has made an application and the application has been denied. The appeal is on the process that the information did not come timely as claimed by the appellant versus the process that the city staff is saying it was timely, we did make a decision and the decision was to deny based on zoning code.

1:47:56Speaker 1

And I would just add to that

1:47:57 – 1:48:15Speaker 7

this is a de novo decision so you have the ability to decide whether or not the director was accurate correct in making the determination based on all the information that's been presented tonight. You don't need to base it just on what the director does that use to make their decision.

1:48:15Speaker 2

To be nice de novo being Latin translates into what? Start again.

1:48:23Speaker 3

Try Chinese. Correct. Mandarin.

1:48:27Speaker 2

Going Latin English Mandarin.

1:48:29Speaker 7

The Latin English translation of de novo.

1:48:33Speaker 2

To start again.

1:48:34Speaker 3

You're gonna Brand new application.

1:48:35 – 1:49:10Speaker 7

It's a new application. It is starting anew, and I couldn't tell you exactly what that translation is off the top of my head, but from the beginning, thank you. And so you are deciding a blank slate based on everything presented before you tonight whether or not a zoning clearance application was accurately denied in these circumstances. And yes, just to add to the question, sorry I misunderstood what you're asking, about whether or not this business is operating appropriately, that would be a code enforcement issue and that's not the question that's being presented tonight.

1:49:11Speaker 2

Okay, thank you. Any other

1:49:13 – 1:49:43Speaker 3

I have questions. Not clarifying. Please. The question for me outside of the boundaries of this application, this is situated in a larger complex of the spa and the salon, is the city aware of the adjoining businesses? You do know that and they're all legal.

1:49:43 – 1:50:11Speaker 3

Okay. And when this application came, is there restrictions within a certain fee to operate the same type of business or not? Nothing. Okay. So when we found out that the applicant not the application applicant has already started the business, did you know that they started the business?

1:50:18Speaker 10

I don't think we knew that they'd started the business, no.

1:50:21Speaker 3

But when they came to the application land use floor, did the applicant tell you that they were already operating a business?

1:50:32Speaker 10

No. They did not tell us they were already operating.

1:50:35Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you for all the clarifications. That's all.

1:50:38Speaker 2

Any other questions?

1:50:42 – 1:51:12Speaker 17

Thank you, Commissioner. Have three questions and direct to staff. If you could just answer in yes or no, that will be very helpful. In the staff presentation, my understanding was that you have stated clearly that at this location, a smoke shop was not permitted since 2024 or a license would have been needed to operate at this location, correct?

1:51:19 – 1:51:34Speaker 11

So a zoning clearance is required since 2024 to prior to the issuance of a business license but a smoke shop was not permissible at this location.

1:51:34 – 1:52:08Speaker 17

Correct. Thank you. The second point then, the appellant's case that this appeal should be judged on the basis of the date of their application, therefore, is irrelevant. Right? Because it was not permitted since 2024. Right? And and and, therefore, that vacates all the premises, in my opinion, as to what's going on here. So thank you. I don't need to ask the third question. Thank you.

1:52:08Speaker 2

Okay. Any other questions, Mr. Xuan?

1:52:10 – 1:52:37Speaker 15

Yeah. I noticed the city staff recommend the applicant to change that to a convenience store. At this point, I mean, just assume if they change to the convenience store, Is the city going to issue them the license, let them to run their business?

1:52:43 – 1:52:54Speaker 11

Applicant would have to make an application for a new zoning clearance, but a convenience store with ancillary tobacco sales is allowed at this location.

1:52:55 – 1:53:09Speaker 15

Okay. So then my understanding is if they change their original smoke store plan to a convenience store, they should be able to get that permit? Yes or no?

1:53:09Speaker 11

Yes, staff would issue that zoning clearance.

1:53:12Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Bellagini.

1:53:17 – 1:54:26Speaker 8

First I really wanted to thank, I don't know how to say her name, the appellant, that she was very concerned about not challenging city policy, not getting special treatment, not trying to avoid regulations, much appreciated. But what I have to keep coming back to is our decision here is about whether or not we agree, I guess that's one way of saying it, that the development director's decision to deny the zoning clearance was okay. And I have to keep coming back to unless I'm missing something. In the beginning the appellant was told no smoke shop and from as far back as before all the confusion ever started an MUNC zone does not allow for a smoke shop of this type. That's what I have to base my decision on and I think it's kind of clear.

1:54:34Speaker 8

Does the attorney want to correct me on something?

1:54:37 – 1:55:12Speaker 7

I want to clarify something and I'm looking to staff because I wasn't in this process, but I do want to make sure that all the facts are correct. Right. So at one point in time, there was the zoning did not specify whether or not smoke shops were permitted or prohibited. And the strict prohibition on a smoke shop was added to this zoning designation and I'm gonna look to Leslie on when that actually happened.

1:55:13Speaker 1

That was prior to 2024.

1:55:18Speaker 8

That's what I understood.

1:55:19Speaker 1

But uses not listed in our code are prohibited uses.

1:55:24 – 1:55:43Speaker 7

So in 2024 it did not specify whether or not a smoke shop was permitted or prohibited. And then in, I wanna say it was 2025, is that correct there was a zoning amendment to specifically prohibit a smoke shop in this zone is that accurate

1:55:44Speaker 8

correct that allowed for a smoke shop

1:55:47 – 1:56:05Speaker 7

that specifically prohibited so originally the zoning code did not specify and in 2025 the zoning code was amended and from what I understand and I'll look to staff to correct me if I'm wrong, was a cleanup to specifically state that this type of use is prohibited in that zone. That is correct.

1:56:05Speaker 8

Let me take a quick look at this.

1:56:08Speaker 10

The code was no longer silent.

1:56:11 – 1:57:01Speaker 8

I understood that under the updated zoning code on July 2024, pipe and tobacco shops were no longer listed as permissible then there were some cleanup ordinances that resulted in definitively no smoke shops of this type. And that's what I have to look in terms of my decision about whether or not I affirm what the director said and part of what factors into it for me because God knows there was a lot of confusion was that the appellant recognized in the beginning from what she said, no smoke shop was allowed. There was a lot of confusion. I grant that but those are the facts as I see them.

1:57:03Speaker 2

Any other questions?

1:57:05 – 1:57:19Speaker 15

Mr. Wang? Actually, it's not a question, probably a statement. So my understanding is probably we have a lot of miscommunication. There's a no email response to an applicant.

1:57:19 – 1:57:58Speaker 15

Maybe also because of the language issue. It's really very unfortunate. But I do appreciate the staff recommend the modifying their plan, change them to a communist store. So, you know, I another thing is I think the major thing is the timeline. Since July since maybe early twenty twenty four or January or July 2024, the city has the new zoning code already.

1:57:58 – 1:58:20Speaker 15

But the applicants application after that. So personally, I have to say the director's decision is correct. I but I do hope the applicant, they have they can, you know, keep on running their business. Probably they need to modify that and to meet the city requirement.

1:58:21 – 1:58:43Speaker 2

you. Just to clarify one thing because I want to make sure I understood this. The current current zoning would allow them to have a convenience store without any additional any permits or such from planning department from the city?

1:58:44Speaker 11

Zoning clearance would be required to operate a convenience store at the location.

1:58:51Speaker 2

Okay. So I still have to get that. Okay. Thank

1:58:55 – 1:59:18Speaker 3

Dhruv, the Chair. So just to clarify one additional question and then I'll go into statements. What is defined ancillary? How much percentage of a convenience store can a smoke, tobacco, vaping can be sold retail? What is the ancillary definition here?

1:59:28Speaker 3

15%, 20%, 25%.

1:59:36 – 1:59:51Speaker 10

Through the chair our code doesn't define ancillary specifically for this use. It just can't be a majority of the floor plan. If we look at examples in our code for uses that are ancillary, it's 20%.

1:59:52 – 2:00:23Speaker 3

Look to case law because we have a loophole. We need another cleanup. Coming soon with all the questions, radii to schools, that state law now, most jurisdictions including the county prescribes thousand feet for smoke shops. You do have you cannot have what is it called flavored tobacco especially within a thousand feet of schools to prevent and several cities. So I'm looking at a lot of cleanup.

2:00:23 – 2:01:08Speaker 3

But I will state now my statement. Santa Clara is a city of immigrants as well. We all come with our barriers, our understanding, a lack of understanding of rules, regulations, requirements, permits galore all duly noted. It is unfortunate that there has been a communication barrier. But that said there are there is a system ecosystem that I'm looking to the applicant in a past world.

2:01:09 – 2:02:07Speaker 3

There is a landlord. The landlord's responsibility is to advise the tenant of what business and businesses they can or cannot operate. I don't know the lease term of this applicant not to belabor it but just there is a system that the also should have helped. If the landlord knew that's why I was asking if they are the landlord or are they just leasing this. The second, there is clearly process and the process includes the fire marshal inspection, the California state ABC or the alcohol and beverage consumption license which the has obtained but the app also knew that they did not receive a formal email response back.

2:02:07 – 2:03:23Speaker 3

If the Applint knew enough to make the submission in English there was somebody helping them and it clearly says we will receive you will receive an email notification once your request has been processed. There is no proof that that has been processed. The second part and I'm stating this because the upland is looking at process with the city as being the biggest challenge not that they are challenging the code, not that they are challenging the director's decision but just the process and how information was confirmed or clarified with the process. Due process one clearly says you have not yet received formal approval to operate a business. Two, you made an application when clearly this staff has said that starting 07/16/2024 zoning map and the ordinance was the comprehend.

2:03:23 – 2:04:15Speaker 3

In fact January 9 was when the comprehensive zoning code update happened, adopted, it was silent, you knew smoke shop was not allowed, they clearly told you to come in with a convenience store as helping you out. July 16 the zoning map was updated but you continued with the application. You started your business in June clearly having had a rapport and understanding with the city staff that your application was for a convenience store and I don't know who said you don't need to do anything. I do not believe that at all. I don't think anybody would have intentionally told anybody in the city especially at the city planning office, clerk's office, business that you don't need to do anything at all.

2:04:15 – 2:05:07Speaker 3

So based on these facts and the understanding that the appellant while learning some process is here will be able to move forward. There is a that will allow you to move forward. So I will stand by the directors decision to deny the current application as a smoke shop but to allow or understand or work with the applet now knowing all the barriers in an additional more careful way to allow them what is the path forward. So I do encourage the city staff to support our businesses. These are young entrepreneurs so I feel they've done what they thought was probably right.

2:05:08 – 2:05:21Speaker 3

But I do want to recognize the city staff for having helped the Appalint this far. So with that, I have a decision and motion once again.

2:05:21Speaker 2

Thank you. Any other questions or comments?

2:05:24 – 2:05:43Speaker 17

Just a comment, Chair. Thank you. Bit of realization on the state of affairs. Right? If the fire department had not gone to their store and told them that they needed a business license, we would not have this case and we would have a smoke shop operating today. It is.

2:05:45Speaker 5

I got one more thing.

2:05:47 – 2:06:29Speaker 5

Okay. Really quick. It's very simple when you operate a business in Santa Clara. I've been a business owner for close to forty years in Santa Clara, just retired. But anyway, if you do not get a business license and nobody's you say nobody sent you an email, I would go right to the business office, sit there and say, please, where's my business license? Cause you need the business license. You cannot operate something, a business without a business license. That's the law. So, there's no excuse saying that nobody email you anything. You go in and you say where is my business license?

2:06:29 – 2:07:04Speaker 5

What do I need? And I'm pretty sure they will be able to help you out. They'll be more than helpful throughout the years with the city of Santa Clara. And you're correct, the fire department will come and inspect the properties. They were probably inspecting the other properties in that building and they just happens to see that one was open and didn't have a record of them having a business license. That's the way they walked in and wanted to see a business license and they didn't have one. So, I'm gonna go with the city's decision and deny Okay.

2:07:04 – 2:07:22Speaker 2

Hold on. Hold on. I have one comment, final comment to make. So, I think that clearly there was a lot of miscommunications here. I'm not gonna point out on whose part or whatever, but I'm gonna say one thing.

2:07:22 – 2:08:05Speaker 2

Let's move forward. In going forward, when you look at however we vote, my suggestion is always try and go to the planning department in person if you can't get something through email. And then the other thing that I'll recommend is at the very beginning of any Planning Commission meeting anybody can come up and make a statement that's not on the agenda. So if you're saying I am very frustrated there's I'm not getting the help that I need, you can come to the Planning Commission just as well. I'm sorry that we had to go through all these different steps, but it is what it is.

2:08:06 – 2:08:24Speaker 2

So I thank you for coming here and taking these steps. I'm sorry that it came out this way though. There are ways to move forward and we do want to help you get your business going. That's all I have. Okay. Does anybody like to make a motion?

2:08:24 – 2:08:37Speaker 2

Commissioner Bijini? Oh, hold on one quick I have one quick question. There was a part about CEQUA in there. Do we I see the recommendation doesn't say anything about CEQUA. Do we have to vote on that at all? Yes. Is that like

2:08:37Speaker 7

A denial project is not a project under CEQA.

2:08:40Speaker 2

Okay we didn't have to affirm that in any way right?

2:08:43Speaker 7

No if you're upholding if the motion is the staff recommendation it's all included in the resolution.

2:08:52Speaker 2

Good enough. I

2:08:55 – 2:09:13Speaker 8

don't know Priya if you might want to amend this. I'd like a motion to overrule the appeal and affirm the community development director's decision to deny the zoning clearance for a smoke shop to operate at 770 Kiley Boulevard.

2:09:13Speaker 5

Second that motion.

2:09:15 – 2:09:39Speaker 7

If I may, through the chair, just to clarify, so the options are on an appeal to affirm the director's decision, which I think is what you're saying, but I wanna make sure that we're accurately reflecting it for the record. And what staff has presented tonight is a resolution that recommends affirming the decision of the planning director. Is that what your motion is?

2:09:39Speaker 8

Yeah, affirming the director's decision to deny the zoning clearance.

2:09:45 – 2:10:02Speaker 2

I wanna make sure one thing does the appellant understand the translation of what we're saying? Does that you do understand what we're saying here right now with the motion that is made Or do you need any further clarification?

2:10:08Speaker 13

Yes. I understand. But I'm now great.

2:10:14Speaker 2

That's okay. Just as long as you understand that's all I'm asking.

2:10:18Speaker 12

Thank you very much for all of we learned a lot. And she is the mother of a three

2:10:24Speaker 2

year old kid. Understood. Yeah. Thank you.

2:10:27Speaker 2

Thank you. I just wanna make sure everybody was an understanding. Good. Okay. Clerk.

2:10:34Speaker 1

Who made the who seconded the motion?

2:10:41 – 2:10:58Speaker 1

Motion was made by commissioner Biachini, seconded by commissioner Buza to approve a staff recommendation. Go ahead and cast your vote, please. Thank you, the motion passed.

2:10:59Speaker 2

Thank you very much.

2:11:01Speaker 15

Yeah, just a question to the attorney. May I talk to the applicant in Mandarin? Since I have the motion already.

2:11:13Speaker 7

We want it through the chair, would you like to take a break from the meeting?

2:11:21Speaker 2

Five minute recess.

2:11:24 – 2:11:58Speaker 2

Thank you. Okay. Back. Thank you very much for everybody's patience. Item three is the action on appeal.

2:11:58 – 2:12:41Speaker 2

PLN25Dash00561 of the development review officer's approval at 2892 Mesquite Drive for an architectural review PLN25Dash00295 for a 621 story 21 square foot 1st Floor addition and a 397 square foot 2nd Floor addition to an existing two story I think this is wrong. This is 281. I think it's 2,000 or there's a comma here. It's it's 281 square feet?

2:12:42 – 2:13:03Speaker 2

02/2081. 2,081 square feet. Thank you. Single family residence with a 500 square foot attached garage on a 7,351 square foot lot. This item is open to public hearing, which I will now declare open.

2:13:06 – 2:13:21Speaker 2

Before we begin presentations, do any planning commissioners have any disclosures they would like to make regarding ex parte communications? None being seen. Staff, this time, will you make your

2:13:29 – 2:13:51Speaker 18

Thank you, chair. Good evening. Good evening, chair and commissioners. My name is Alex Tajous. I'm an assistant planner here with the city of Santa Clara.

2:13:51 – 2:15:05Speaker 18

And, tonight, I'll be presenting on the appeal for 2892 Mesquite Drive. The residence. Per Santa Clara City code 18.120.020K, the appeal of a single family residential project is reviewed by the Planning Commission. The appellant's justification of appeal is that they state that the fine five of the Santa Clara city code 18 A 120.02 f cannot be made and request that the planning commission to overturn the development review officer's decision as the proposal is not compatible with the prevailing pattern found in the neighborhood as condition p three is not specific or measurable. Condition p three is the following verbiage.

2:15:05 – 2:15:45Speaker 18

The proposed guest bedroom show here to the prevailing development pattern in the subdivision by reducing the footprint of the proposed guest room by providing a greater front and side setback. The setback shall preserve the existing sideline of the adjacent As this is an appeal, all appeals are heard as de novo. Issues raised and considered are not limited to those raised by the appellant. The Planning Commission may affirm, vacate, or reverse the previous decision. Additional conditions approval may be added or the project may be referred back to development review officer for further consideration.

2:15:50 – 2:16:19Speaker 18

Now that I explained the reason for the appeal, I will now go over the actual proposal of the project. As seen in front of is the existing site at 2892 Mesquite Drive. It is a point one seven acre site or 7,351 square feet lot surrounded by other single family homes. Zone R 1 Dash 60. The general plan designation matches the zoning designation as being very low density residential.

2:16:25 – 2:16:58Speaker 18

Further on to just on the context, the property are single family residential. Only other uses near the neighborhood are multifamily on the south and a private school across the subdivision. And on the right is a picture of the street view of the house. If you can see highlighted in in, like, an orange circle, that is the project site. That is and on the middle is the appellant's house, and it is surrounded by other two story homes.

2:17:01 – 2:17:32Speaker 18

But this currently, on the Orange Circle is the house that is proposing this addition. I wanted to mention the rendering of the original approval. So on the left is what was presented to the development review officer prior to the condition P 3 being added. The development review officer added P 3 as a way to understand the concerns from the neighborhood. And currently in front of you, the current proposal is on the right.

2:17:32 – 2:18:11Speaker 18

As you can see in the architecture, a lot of the massing has been changed on the building. To we're so some that. Privacy do for the neighbor or in this case, the appellant. The site plan is on the left of existing house, and on the right is what is being proposed. And you can see on the right is all the setbacks for the resident.

2:18:12 – 2:18:53Speaker 18

As proposed, this residence exceeds the setbacks required for a single family for this type of proposal. Based on the p to three condition, they are on the front addition that was the concern. They have over 22 feet away from the property line and almost eight feet away from the side property line. The requirements for the side property line is five feet for a setback and then for the front is 20 feet. On the back, the addition for the office that is being proposed is about 22 feet away from the rear property line, which exceeds the rear property line requirement of 20 feet.

2:18:58 – 2:19:41Speaker 18

In front of you is the existing floor plan on the 1st Floor and 2nd Floor. This is the original proposals floor plan as mentioned with the addition on the 2nd Floor for the new bedroom. And on the 1st Floor, there's the office on the rear that I mentioned previously and a guest bedroom on the front next to the entry feature. Tonight, the current proposal is as follow. They did reduce the size of the guest bedroom by removing the bay window, which takes about away about a foot or more from the, I guess, depth of the room.

2:19:43 – 2:20:30Speaker 18

And for the second story, they added the this entry feature element here for to be able to access the 2nd Floor, which breaks the Massey. For any architectural review, we need to make sure it's consistent with the zoning code. The proposed project complies with the R 16 L zoning district development standards as the garage still maintains code compliant to parking space sublease 8.5 feet wide by 18 feet deep. The proposed the proposals consistent with Santa Clara city code eighteen point ten point zero three point zero three as it meets the required first story setback, second story setback for the new construction. And the structure height is at the maximum allow at 25 feet.

2:20:34 – 2:21:18Speaker 18

Staff also needs to make sure that a proposal is consistent with the general plan. As mentioned on the slide in front of you, the proposed project is consistent with the the Santa Clara general plan through the following policies. It implements design review guidelines for setback heights, materials, massing articulation, and other standards for transition policies and promote neighborhood comparability is one the Santa Clara general plan policies. The request conforms with the city of Santa Clara's single family and duplex residential design guidelines chapter two b, which is sensitive design solutions. As the second story addition does not exceed approximately 66% of the first floor area and the sidewalls of the second story addition are set back at least three feet from the sidewalls of the 1st Floor.

2:21:22 – 2:22:14Speaker 18

Another policy in the general plan is that to ensure that the city implements site design solutions such as landscaping increased building setbacks to provide a buffer between nonresidential and residential uses. This project confirms with that through chapter four a of Santa Clara single family duplex residential design guidelines. As the first story addition on the front, it's setback more than required preserving the prevailing development pattern in the neighborhood. To further on with the design guidelines, the proposed project is as condition does comply with the city's single family and duplex residential design guidelines and that the design is compatible in scale and character of the typical housing types in the neighborhood. The design protects the neighborhood sidelines to the street and the second story addition does not exceed 66% of the 1st Floor area.

2:22:17 – 2:22:48Speaker 18

This project is call is considered a small development proposal under the Santa Clara public outreach policy. Therefore, a community meeting was not required. But as any project that goes into hearing, a public hearing notice was mailed to property owners within 300 feet radius of the project site. This was done in 01/29/2026 to 67 owners and tenants. As mentioned with the as you can see probably in front of you, there's a post meeting material that was which was what was received as public comments in opposition to the proposed project.

2:22:50 – 2:24:13Speaker 18

All these comments are regarding the massing size of the proposed and how it would impact privacy. When any land use entitlement, we need to make sure it's consistent with the California Environmental Quality Act. And staff has found that this project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to the guidelines section fifteen thirty one, which is class one existing facilities, and that the project consists of the addition to an existing structure that will now result to an increase of more than 50% of La Floria before the addition or 2,500 square feet. Therefore, staff still continues to recommend that the project should be determined to be categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to the previous categorical exemption and also to adopt a resolution that affirms the decision of the development review officer to approve the architectural review for the construction of this 621 square foot first Floors addition and a three hundred ninety six seven square foot second floor addition to these existing two story single family residence located at 2892 Mesquite Drive, subject to the financing conditions of approval. That concludes staff's presentation.

2:24:14Speaker 18

Staff is open for we'll see here for any questions. Thank you.

2:24:18Speaker 2

Thank you. Do we have any questions from commission for staff?

2:24:26Speaker 1

Hi. Through the chair, could you

2:24:28 – 2:24:46Speaker 3

go back to the renderings, although I'm just probably picking it out. When I look at the original approval to the current proposal, is it just the rendering that makes it look bigger?

2:24:50 – 2:25:01Speaker 18

That's correct. Because based on the floor plan, there is a substantial distance between the entry feature and the second Story. So the current rendering does better reflect that.

2:25:03 – 2:25:27Speaker 3

And so there's three breaks in the 2nd Floor versus two and no window on the 2nd Floor to the one that is not by the house. My capturing the garage size is the same, the portico is the same and the window it looks wider. Am I missing something?

2:25:31Speaker 18

think it's the angle that they did the rendering.

2:25:33Speaker 3

No, but it's one window, two windows. It it clearly has more.

2:25:39Speaker 5

Three windows on the top, three windows on the top.

2:25:42Speaker 3

No. But there's three only two.

2:25:44Speaker 5

No. Both of them have three windows.

2:25:47Speaker 2

Hold on. Going from left to right.

2:25:51Speaker 2

That's three, but now it's kind of

2:25:55 – 2:26:25Speaker 3

No. But you have a a break. Two. No. It's not about the windows. I'm trying to tell you the whole depth, width. It's just the rendering? Okay, thank you. Because I do want to make sure that I'm not and has the fence height been added because of the requirement from the original first one is the current proposal. Yes,

2:26:28Speaker 18

to mitigate the privacy concerns.

2:26:29Speaker 3

To mitigate from the neighbor's property?

2:26:33Speaker 3

Okay. Are there any trees required along that side?

2:26:38Speaker 18

No, due to the, I guess, setback. It's just limited. It was the solution was to just provide us a fence and to provide bushes on the front, I guess, yard.

2:26:48Speaker 3

But we have 22 feet.

2:26:50Speaker 18

Yeah. There's seven feet on the side, I guess, on the port of behind fence. Sorry, I misunderstood your question.

2:26:58Speaker 3

No, but so seven feet to the front, but 22 feet to the back.

2:27:03Speaker 18

Correct, 22 on the back. Yes, yes, yes, that's correct.

2:27:08 – 2:27:21Speaker 3

about It's okay. I just want to make sure that I'm elucidating it for a purpose. I get you. But I do want to recognize is there an ability to still ask for trees through this approval?

2:27:22Speaker 18

Based on the city code you're able to modify and add more conditions of approval.

2:27:27Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

2:27:28Speaker 5

Through the chair. See.

2:27:29Speaker 2

Mr. Salim? Yeah. Would point

2:27:36 – 2:28:21Speaker 6

commissioner Charikuru at the Google Maps view, which you'll see a lot of adjacent foliage from the neighbors. So there's no need for trees in that specific space to block visibility. Also, the rendering is unfortunate because it crosses roof lines through clouds and other things, so you can't really get a good idea of what the 2nd Floor is doing. They might have created more contrast. The other thing that I was noticing is it does seem a bit wider as far as the garage immaterial of rendering.

2:28:21Speaker 6

Was there any additional square footage added between the first approval or current approval or was it simply setbacks?

2:28:31 – 2:28:44Speaker 18

Square footage was removed from the 1st Floor and some of that square footage was moved up to the mass on the 2nd Story, which you can see that break. But it's just minimal. Nothing else was added to the garage. Okay.

2:28:44 – 2:28:59Speaker 6

Because I can see that the balanced right hand side of the rendering showing the additional space space added added compared compared to to the the original. Okay. That's all. Thank you.

2:28:59Speaker 2

Commissioner Buzzo?

2:29:00 – 2:29:12Speaker 5

Yeah. Can you go back to the rendering showing the property before this being done? Just real quick. Okay. So that's the ones with the two cars and the boat or something in the front yard. Correct?

2:29:12Speaker 18

That's correct.

2:29:13Speaker 5

Okay. I see it. And then to the right will be the the Daniel Juan's house would be to the right of it then I take it.

2:29:24Speaker 18

The house on the right actually is the appellant who is in person. Right. His name is Soren.

2:29:31 – 2:29:49Speaker 2

Thank you. Any other questions for staff? No? All right. All right, so now the appellant presentation. Soren Spanos? I'm sorry. How do you pronounce your last name?

2:29:49Speaker 4

Okay. Can you hear me?

2:29:52Speaker 2

We can hear you. So we'll give you up to ten minutes to make your presentation. You can go ahead.

2:30:02 – 2:30:26Speaker 4

Thank you. Good evening, commissioners. My name is Spanoci, and my wife and I own and live at 2896 Mesquite Drive since 2002, immediately adjacent to 2892 Mesquite Right. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. We're not asking you to block the project.

2:30:26 – 2:31:04Speaker 4

Our sole request is that conditions P3 and P4, the largest setback, site line preservation and landscaping conditions that were adopted are clarified with objective measurable standards, and that applicant be required to demonstrate compliance before permits are issued. Can you go back one slide, please? Thank you. The key issue is simple. The proposed 1st Floor extension and tall fence on these wedge pie shaped lots create disproportional massing and encroaching impacts.

2:31:05 – 2:31:45Speaker 4

The commission adopted P3 and P4 to mitigate sideline and privacy impacts. Our appeal is limited to one narrow point. Those conditions must be measurable and enforceable so the mitigation you require actually happens. Next slide, please. The focus of our appeal is only on the approval conditions P3, guest bedroom setback, and P4, front yard landscaping that were included as mitigation to sideline and privacy concerns.

2:31:45 – 2:32:16Speaker 4

Our intent is just to add measurable standards to enable the verification of the project compliance. Next slide, please. Conditional approval was granted on December 10 during the December so after the December 10 meeting. From the later submitted documents, we see that the applicant accepted the conditions. We filed the appeal on December 17 to clarify and make P3 and P4 approval condition objectively enforceable.

2:32:17 – 2:32:51Speaker 4

Later, the applicant filed an updated plan that features only token setbacks change. Even worse, the sidelines are further affected by the new front side tall fence. Next slide, please. First, if our home would have been on a rectangular lot, the minimum corridor to a neighboring house would have been 10 feet wide, like the blue line shown there, parallel to our on the left side you see our home, and on

2:32:51Speaker 2

the right side our neighbor's home.

2:32:57 – 2:33:28Speaker 4

Obviously, there is building within that blue line. There corridor is a four and a half feet parallel to our home. So the green line that is shown there is actually tangent to the corner of the neighbor's building. And we would like to preserve that. Next slide, please.

2:33:32 – 2:33:59Speaker 4

Here we superimposed on the aerial photo the original plan, the initial plan. For sure, front room crosses substantially the sideline. Next slide, please. Here we superimpose as well the new plan, and you see that there's barely a difference. So maybe the front side was moved in.

2:33:59 – 2:35:09Speaker 4

And in order to see that we can go to the next slide. So besides this small change and the room still being crossing substantially the sideline, there's also the front side of the new six plus one foot tall fence that also crosses that line and makes the sites even worse. Next slide, please. So basically these are the so as far as we understand the plan and the numbers that are mentioned in the plan, so the front walls, because actually what we're talking about is the corner of that room. So that corner moved in by 8.5, almost 8.5 inches, and moved slightly to left side, moved slightly to the right by probably three inches based on the numbers from the two plants.

2:35:10 – 2:35:56Speaker 4

That is really a very small change and sight lines are as effective as before. Next slide, please. So the new plan includes also well, I'm sorry, go back. Besides this, so there's a new additional AC unit that I didn't mention that is going to be installed on the same site towards our house that is facing our front room and bedrooms. That would increase

2:35:57Speaker 2

in that area. It is already relatively large in summary especially.

2:36:06 – 2:36:51Speaker 4

So then if you go here, so basically the issues that we see with the updated plan is really the fact that the footprint reduction is very small. And one part of the newly proposed 6% fence is actually crossing obstructs even further the sideline and the addition AC. Next slide, please. So that's a simple rendering of the views from our main front room windows. So you can see what is going to be visible there instead of the trees and the bushes and the sea.

2:36:52 – 2:37:24Speaker 4

Next slide, please. So this request is also policy based. The general plan directs respect for neighborhood scale spacing and open space, requires compatibility with adjacent homes, and calls for protecting privacy and livability. Requiring numerical setbacks, sideline diagrams, and moderate fence hedge limits helps the commission implement those policies in a way that staff can verify. Next slide, please.

2:37:25 – 2:38:07Speaker 4

And this is the last one. So basically what we request is really to clarify P3 with objective measure setbacks and sideline criteria, including how prevailing development pattern and preserve sideline will be measured. Verify piece four, which was related to landscaping, but also we can apply this to the fencing in the front side, cannot negate the sideline preservation required by P3. The new six plus one foot fence may only replace existing fence in its current location, so which is not in the front side. So the reason for that adding this fence was for the privacy between the two houses, not in front.

2:38:08 – 2:38:53Speaker 4

They have a new window that is going to face across. I'll explain the obvious, I guess. And then require the applicant's plan to address the ex IEC unit noise impact prior to approval. And require the applicant plans set to be revised to demonstrate compliance with the conditions prior to final approval. In short, we support reasonable improvements. We just ask that the mitigation you require be measurable and verifiable so the commission's decision has a real effect. Thank you. I'm ready for questions. I can walk through other slides if you need.

2:38:53Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you. That was very good. Any questions for the appellant? Yes? No?

2:39:04 – 2:39:17Speaker 3

I can. Please. Thank you. So if you go back to your rendering and I'm looking at your Google images, tell me what you consider as sight line.

2:39:18 – 2:39:31Speaker 4

Let's go back. Basically, it's that line that is on file with the building, the green line.

2:39:31 – 2:39:45Speaker 3

Okay. And you recognize that they are not adding anything on the Ground Floor? They are adding square footage, they are pulling it out I the see. Okay.

2:39:47Speaker 2

Hold on. Hold on. Excuse me.

2:39:51Speaker 2

Because we have people online, they can't hear you.

2:39:55Speaker 4

was saying that that room that is highlighted in red is the new addition.

2:39:59Speaker 3

So the addition is coming out into the front. Noted. Okay. Thank you. That's it.

2:40:08Speaker 2

Any other questions?

2:40:11 – 2:41:04Speaker 6

Yeah I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you're fighting sight line and geometry and geometry of a wedge shaped lot is not going to allow you to maintain a linear sight line along the edge of your property. That geometry has its special considerations as you reach the front of the lot, and the fact that they're trying to use that available space within the boundaries of their property is the point at which you are unfortunately going to be affected, and I don't see a way that you can request that to not be true. So maybe if the staff wants to chime in, is the property in full legal compliance for its design for the the renovate or the improvements?

2:41:11 – 2:41:27Speaker 18

quick just to answer your question Commissioner, objectively based on the standards on the zoning code pretty much prescribed setback requirements, height, it is meeting that, it's exceeding that, it's more than the minimum required setbacks.

2:41:28 – 2:41:53Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you. I just was concerned that we were trying to discuss something that is geometrically impossible to correct. As long as it's a wedge, you're going to have an intersection at the front of the property lines. So, it's not properly it it doesn't apply to draw sight lines that are linear, along the adjacent property. That's all.

2:41:54 – 2:42:05Speaker 7

Through the chair, if I may, I just want a friendly reminder. This is just a clarifying questions portion of the evening. I appreciate you did ask a question, but there will be time for commission discussion after the close of the public hearing.

2:42:05Speaker 5

Thank you. Okay, good question.

2:42:08Speaker 2

Did you have something

2:42:09 – 2:42:42Speaker 4

you I want to wanted to refer to what you were saying. I think that code sets a baseline minimum, and the architectural review is discretionary, and P3 and P4 are discretionary mitigations intended to address impacts beyond VNAMA. And this is a case, the standards that you have apply to rectangular lots, but these are really very special cases where that's why we talk right now.

2:42:43Speaker 2

Any other questions from? Yes. I'm sorry, who?

2:42:48Speaker 3

To clarify, so you, sorry.

2:42:51Speaker 2

Okay, one second please.

2:42:54Speaker 3

Just a clarifying question. So you do not see the house at all from your window today?

2:43:00 – 2:43:38Speaker 4

Very, very small. There's a slide, but really what I'm saying is that there's nothing beyond that. So here you can see so basically the house right now extends only to the first so if you look on the right side of the window from Room 2, you the can edge of the house. And then maybe I see a little yeah, there's a slide in the back up maybe if you page down a lot.

2:43:46Speaker 2

Here we go, that's what I wanted to see.

2:43:48Speaker 4

We see a little bit of the house and then the rest is

2:43:52Speaker 2

green. Got it.

2:43:55Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you for helping. Thanks.

2:43:57Speaker 2

Krishna Buza? Yeah.

2:44:01 – 2:44:38Speaker 5

Kind of feel for you because probably when you bought your house you were never expecting anything like this to be happening next door. But it's going by what the new laws and the rules are. One of the things that I see that maybe has an easy solution will be the air conditioning. You can send a few concern about the air conditioning being too close to you now that this has changed. Maybe you can ask the applicant to move it to the backyard, the compressors, and that will just take something away from you for the noise.

2:44:39Speaker 5

Yeah. Yeah. I understand what your your problem is, but boy, feel for you. I feel for you.

2:44:47Speaker 4

Maybe some middle ground can be.

2:44:49Speaker 5

Yes. That's exactly. It's gonna be your neighbor, and you both should try to work together because it looks like you're gonna be there a long time. She's gonna be there for a long time too. So

2:44:59Speaker 4

Alright. Yeah. So neighbor never came to us. I mean, we found out from the notice with the hearing.

2:45:07 – 2:45:30Speaker 2

Understood. Any questions? No? Okay. Thank you. Okay, so now the applicant. So move now to Ling Zhao. Please come up. And you will also have ten minutes to make your presentation.

2:45:30Speaker 14

I just want to take like a few minutes.

2:45:33Speaker 2

Do me a favor. Make sure you speak into the mic so everyone can hear you because we also have people on TV and such that need to hear you. Thank you.

2:45:40 – 2:46:07Speaker 14

Good evening chairs, commissioner, and the city Thank you so much for taking the time to review my house project. My name is Ling Zhao, and I'm the house at 2892 Muskew Drive. I live in this house for seven years. And my family and I truly value this neighborhood. We are not investor and a developer.

2:46:07 – 2:46:52Speaker 14

This is our long term homes. I'm here today for try to get a proof for my project to extend our existing house in order to fit for my family needs. My parents will come from China to here, and they will live with us for their retirement life. So the current layout is no longer provide the enough space for family, and this proposed extension is intended solely to my support my family use. It's not for rental or commercial use.

2:46:52 – 2:47:50Speaker 14

I want to emphasize that we have worked closely with our architect Michael. He's on the Zoom link to and the consultant to ensure design compliance with the city code and the planning guidelines. The additional the addition is carefully designed to be consistent with character of the neighborhood and the response for of surrounding property and the meaningful for setback, height limit, privacy, and a neighborhood effect. So we have taken concern seriously including the potential in fact related to light, privacy, and overall appearance for our neighborhood. Our goal is to improve our home while maintaining harmony with this surrounding neighborhood.

2:47:50 – 2:48:14Speaker 14

We loves we love in this city and the plan to remain here for many, many years. My kids grew up here. So this project allow us to stay here for long term. It help us continue to be responsible long term member of the neighborhood. Thank you so much for everyone.

2:48:14Speaker 2

Thank you. Is there any questions from the commission for the applicant?

2:48:24 – 2:48:38Speaker 6

So given the concern that the appellant has, would you be open to relocating your air conditioner compressors to prevent sound bleed? I mean, check with the architect. Right?

2:48:38 – 2:48:49Speaker 14

So there's just one compressor is there. Yeah. We just added the second one. So I I don't want to remove it because back there is no place

2:48:50Speaker 7

Relocate. Because

2:48:51 – 2:49:04Speaker 14

the size is big. It's long. Measure it. It's long enough. And also for their house, it's a big distance. So I don't think that's good for me.

2:49:06Speaker 19

Yes. So maybe I could help answer that question.

2:49:11Speaker 2

Wait up here.

2:49:15Speaker 2

Yes. Please go ahead.

2:49:17 – 2:49:37Speaker 19

Yes. So a couple of things. We could put a kind of a sound fence around those AC units to redirect the noise away from the side yard. We could do that. The ones they make nowadays are pretty quiet anyway, but that would be one option.

2:49:38 – 2:50:06Speaker 19

The other thing I wanted to say relating to that guest bedroom is we worked with Alex and came up with a compromise where we removed the bay window, which was stuck out 14 inches, I think. And then we also moved that wall back another foot. So we basically moved everything back two feet as a compromise. So those are two issues.

2:50:07Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

2:50:09 – 2:50:31Speaker 2

Yes. So one of the questions I have for the architect and for you as well. Have you seen any other houses in your area with this kind of wedge shape that have been located similar to what you're proposing so that it kind of overlaps? In other words, has this already ever been done in that neighborhood in any other way?

2:50:33Speaker 19

I don't think that there's another cul de sac close by that would be shaped similar to these two properties.

2:50:43Speaker 2

What about the rest of the houses on that existing cul de sac?

2:50:49Speaker 19

Well, the other existing ones are on basically a rectangular lot.

2:50:57Speaker 19

they're a bit different.

2:51:00Speaker 2

Hold on. Somebody else have a question?

2:51:06Speaker 5

I was just gonna tell the architect, Gloriart Circle has the same type of lot, and that's just across the way on Kaili.

2:51:13 – 2:51:50Speaker 17

Okay. Commissioner Bumlingard? Yeah. Chair, I'm gonna just add to your advice. It's neighbors talking to neighbors and working something out. Give a little keep a little. And and so I personally have had this kind of issue with with my neighbor many years ago. And when they were developing their house, the the planning staff at that time asked us to go talk. We talked, and we now live happily ever after at least until now. So, strongly advised that you're both quite compatible.

2:51:50 – 2:52:08Speaker 17

Just have a chat and see where, you know, a little bit of a compromise here and there as your architect has been suggesting to mitigate noise, things like that that might satisfy the neighbor, a whole lot of experience and life full of happiness for both of you in the future. So thank you.

2:52:09Speaker 2

I just want to ask Alex to in reviewing this, did you see anything that was similar in the shape and?

2:52:18 – 2:52:46Speaker 18

So I was trying to show previously on the slide, the property next to the appellant on the right also has a really irregular shape. And it's a bad example that I did see. I have it. Let me real quick show here. So when we review these projects, we try to look at what's in the neighborhood and like try to learn from mistakes from the past.

2:52:48 – 2:53:21Speaker 18

Make it on the street view. I'll start first with the property. Property here on the right, it's also irregular, which is pretty much in between the appellant and then the applicant. And as you can see how it was developed, there's no substantial step back. This new addition that they're proposing has a substantial step back on addition to the space between the 1st Floor wall in their property line.

2:53:24 – 2:53:40Speaker 18

Second, to answer your question, this is another property we saw, we didn't want to replicate a design. So that's where a lot of staff comments came from providing that step back and this is away from I guess the entry feature.

2:53:41Speaker 2

That seems like it's a rectangular line.

2:53:43Speaker 18

Correct. Sorry, I was just talking about design wise.

2:53:46Speaker 2

No, no. The question was if you had anything similar like with

2:53:51Speaker 2

Yeah, Cul de sacs in the wedge shape rather than the rectangular shape.

2:53:55Speaker 18

The only one will be just the neighboring property.

2:53:59Speaker 10

Chair if I may I can

2:54:00Speaker 1

show you an example on Google of one we've

2:54:03Speaker 10

done recently on Google.

2:54:05 – 2:54:40Speaker 1

It's still under construction, but it is a similar situation. It's this one right here on Bancroft. So it's a pie shaped lot kind of adjacent to similar pie shaped lots. Not exactly the same, but you can kinda see they they did an addition in the front if I do street view for you. But you can see where they they they came out from what was sort of their house before. Yeah.

2:54:44Speaker 10

Okay. I don't know if that helps you

2:54:46Speaker 2

It does. Thank you very much, though. Appreciate that.

2:54:49Speaker 2

One second. You'll have an opportunity. No problem. Okay. Any more questions for the

2:55:01 – 2:55:17Speaker 5

Yes, for the architect too at the same time since he's online. Are you aware of the regarding the air conditioning, are you aware that Silicon Valley Power has rebates if you change the complete unit to the what do you call those now like the force hot air or something?

2:55:17Speaker 4

The heat heat pumps,

2:55:20 – 2:55:41Speaker 5

yeah, Silicon Valley Power is doing that in the heat pumps. So to your advantage, you have an old unit in there, change it to a heat pump, talk to your architect, and they give you like about $10,000 quieter, move it to the back. I have mine in the back, and I got a backyard too. So it's no big deal back there. So that would make them happy and maybe you guys could even have a barbecue together.

2:55:42Speaker 2

Let me make sure that's a personal opinion not something from the commission itself.

2:55:46Speaker 6

Yeah, it's not a commission directive.

2:55:49 – 2:56:08Speaker 2

Okay, Any other questions, please? And let's let's focus on the the issue at hand. Okay? No? Okay. Thank you for your time. You may sit down. Okay. At this time, we'll move to public testimony. Each member of the public will have two minutes to speak.

2:56:08Speaker 6

Actually, doesn't he get his rebuttal before that?

2:56:11Speaker 2

Nope. Because you're rebutting to public testimony.

2:56:18Speaker 1

Do not have anybody online asking to speak. Do we have anybody in the chambers? No requests.

2:56:26 – 2:56:56Speaker 2

Alright, then we'll move to the applicant rebuttal. Sorry. You're not the applicant. You're the appellant. So please hold on. So if there had been public opinion or any other testimony, you now can speak to that. So since there was no public thing, if you wanted to add something, now you can add something. You're fine? Thank you very much. Now sir, please.

2:57:02 – 2:57:36Speaker 4

A few notes. If you could please show the slides. There's a slide at the very end of presentation that shows some of the similar examples in the these are corner lots with different configurations and nobody built in front of the other house. And basically, the architect design was such a way that actually you have some view from each house towards the street. You don't have somebody else building in front of your house.

2:57:36 – 2:58:02Speaker 4

This is what this was meant to be, and everybody is like this. So the other example that you showed there, so that one, the garage was on that original position. So if you look in Google Earth from before, so the garage was not moved. That was the original design. That's pretty much that.

2:58:07 – 2:58:35Speaker 4

As I mentioned, the issue was not really the bay windows, because that's not really visible around the corner of the room that they want to have. So basically, that change is irrelevant to my sideline. So it doesn't really matter. So the only change that they did was really 8.5 inches and three inches, not two feet. Two feet are not visible from my side.

2:58:40 – 2:59:14Speaker 4

And also this room could have been designed in the back of the house, not in the front. They still have room in the back. I'm sorry. I was saying that, yeah, as a comment, I mean, this room in the front could have been maybe designed in the back somewhere because the shape of their lot is really has much more space in the back than in the front.

2:59:14 – 2:59:40Speaker 2

And it wouldn't have been in front of our crossing the sidelines. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Alright. Staff, I'll return to you. Any other thing you wanna clarify or add to the record? No? Yes?

2:59:42Speaker 18

No, chair. Thank you very much. Right.

2:59:49Speaker 3

To close public hearing.

2:59:52Speaker 2

Second. Okay I got three people seconding. I'm gonna give it to Commissioner Biagini since she's so good at doing this.

3:00:01 – 3:00:14Speaker 1

The motion was made by Commissioner Chiricuru, seconded by Commissioner Biagini to close public hearing. Go ahead and cast your vote please. Very good the motion passed.

3:00:14 – 3:00:37Speaker 2

All right. Let's deliberate. So any comments, questions? Actually you know what, I'm gonna start this time because I just want to get one second. The chair is gonna start. Thank you very much. I wanna go back to something that was already brought up. Very good observation. These are your neighbors. You you have to live with each other.

3:00:37 – 3:01:12Speaker 2

And, you know, as you say, you wanna live here and stay here and bring your parents here, is fantastic. And I want you to really think both of you, you're coming here to try and settle this in a way that neither of you may like. So really want both of you just to think it through again. Is there some compromise that both of you can make? So we still have to go through our process and such.

3:01:12 – 3:01:48Speaker 2

But I would like to see our neighbors happy. Mean when my neighbors have a problem and such, I try and work with them. When the commission when you see us try and work out problems, we've spent like hours sometimes with applicants and such trying to make things work. We really try to bend over. So I'm gonna just say, I hope that whatever gets decided that you still get together as neighbors and try and make things work. That's my only consideration here. So with that, I'll give that up. Any other questions? Did you have one, Commissioner Wang?

3:01:48 – 3:02:06Speaker 15

Yes. Actually, just some comments. I understand your concern, but it's a changing world. So probably, you know, we have to face it. Think we are lucky enough.

3:02:06 – 3:02:42Speaker 15

We have set back between neighbors. I think we are lucky. Regarding to the design, I think it's an improvement to our community. I yeah, one commissioner mentioned the air conditioner. Yeah, I have my air conditioner at the back, but I prefer leave that to the owner.

3:02:43 – 3:03:05Speaker 15

The reason is right now you have an air conditioner there already. If you have newer, you know, quieter, probably should be better. Also, the architect mentioned some noise control. I hope that also help. I support this project. Project. Yeah. Thank you.

3:03:08Speaker 2

Commissioners? Nobody? I could just make

3:03:12 – 3:04:07Speaker 6

a comment that, you know, I'm not speaking out of lack of experience. I live on a cul de sac. I'm in one of the edge shaped spaces. I did an update in 2009, and we did exactly the process that you're going through, working with the neighbors, making sure that our changes weren't going to destroy the quality of life in that neighborhood, including putting up orange fencing which is the standard approach to show what the new borders of the home will look like, I recommend that that can be considered, give an outline so that the neighbors can actually see the new home in place in rough form. You're not going to get around the fact that a wedge is not a square or a rectangle, rectangle, but you can cooperate and keep the noise down, keep the visibility limited.

3:04:07 – 3:04:28Speaker 6

Those are the things that good neighbors do. So I hope that you are able to work together on that. The the rules of the commission though are that we follow our guidelines, and I don't think that there I didn't hear enough, any concerns to break them, for this situation. Thank you.

3:04:30Speaker 2

Anyone else? Should be a genie.

3:04:35Speaker 8

I'm ready to make a motion.

3:04:36Speaker 2

If you so desire.

3:04:38 – 3:05:01Speaker 3

I will just I'm gonna break norm here. It is uncanny for me. I do recognize private land use rights, regulations. You've met every word of the code. I put myself in the neighbor's shoes this time around and I do feel it.

3:05:01 – 3:05:34Speaker 3

I do feel you. I'm sorry and I do feel you and I if I put myself in your shoes, I wish the land, your neighbor actually, the architect, as an architect background so I know design can be sensitive. You live in a neighborhood. This is city of Santa Clara. If everything was allowed by right which is what our objective design standards are then they didn't have to go through a discretionary approval at all.

3:05:35 – 3:05:56Speaker 3

Why is there a design review committee then? The whole preface of that is, is this design compatible? Does it impact, does your right impact somebody else's life or right? There are balances. Sometimes there are compromises.

3:05:59 – 3:06:27Speaker 3

If I had an opportunity to suggest which I don't know if the commission is there or not, would suggest the architect to rethink the front. And I'll state my case. I know the commission will vote however it needs to vote. But I will just make the case that I am here. I feel like the neighbor. And I know what it means. So thank you.

3:06:31 – 3:06:50Speaker 8

like to make a motion that the Planning Commission recommends we determine the project to be exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act, CEQA, formal pursuant to CEQA guidelines section 15,301 class one existing facilities.

3:06:57Speaker 3

And I will vote yes because this is just an environmental quality act.

3:07:00Speaker 1

The motion was made by Commissioner Bianchini, seconded by Commissioner Wang to approve staff recommendation one. Go ahead and cast your vote please.

3:07:09 – 3:07:53Speaker 7

Through the chair if I may really quick, just, sorry, couldn't get to my mic fast enough. I just wanna clarify. So the action tonight again is on on the appeal and yes, understand I there is a CEQA determination that goes with the ultimate decision on the project. But the recommendation from staff is one action, which is the resolution. And I believe staff's recommendation was, and I'll look to staff if they wanna pull up the actual language of the recommendation, a recommendation to affirm the decision of the public hearing officer or a recommendation to adopt the resolution that affirms the recommendation of the public hearing officer and also includes the CEQA determination.

3:07:53Speaker 3

So that's a break from norm. We always do one.

3:07:56 – 3:08:27Speaker 7

I completely understand. I think usually what's happening is there's an actual project that's being decided, but here it's the appeal that's being decided. If you feel more comfortable taking it as two actions, I just want it to be really clear at the end of the day, if staff's recommendation is resolution that incorporates everything, and so that was staff's recommendation. If you're not taking staff's recommendation, that is also fine. It's just that's not consistent with what staff recommended.

3:08:27Speaker 3

But isn't this de novo from the beginning?

3:08:30 – 3:08:41Speaker 7

It is. So you may do something other than what staff recommended, but staff recommendation is to adopt the resolution and the resolution

3:08:42Speaker 3

The first action is determined before the resolution.

3:08:47Speaker 8

Yeah, that's what

3:08:47Speaker 7

I thought. That's fine. If you want to take that action, it's fine.

3:08:52Speaker 5

Okay. So we can make we can make an amendment. We can make some changes

3:08:55Speaker 5

The confusion

3:08:56Speaker 2

the confusion is this is normally what we look at too. Right.

3:08:58Speaker 3

Yeah. Considering the staffing you're saying

3:09:00Speaker 2

this is not staff's recommendation. That's a confusion.

3:09:03Speaker 7

Staff oh, okay. So staff's recommendation is class one categorical exemption.

3:09:07Speaker 3

That's not the opinion.

3:09:07Speaker 7

And that's included in the resolution as well. But it's fine. You could take both actions if you feel more comfortable doing that.

3:09:12Speaker 8

So do you want one or two?

3:09:14Speaker 7

You can do both if that makes you feel

3:09:15Speaker 6

more comfortable.

3:09:16Speaker 7

I'm not I don't have any legal concerns with you taking action on a decision on the CEQA alone.

3:09:22Speaker 3

Only because I will break norm on the second one.

3:09:25Speaker 7

be That's fine. Okay.

3:09:28Speaker 1

We're seeing the motion on the floor? Yes. Very good. The motion passed. Thank you.

3:09:37 – 3:10:18Speaker 8

Dare I speak? Please. Okay. Go ahead. Make a motion that the Planning Commission adopt the resolution that affirms the decision of the development review officer to approve the architectural review for the construction of a 621 square foot 1st Floor addition and a 397 square foot 2nd Floor addition to an existing two story 2,081 square foot single family residence with a 500 square foot attached garage on 7,351 square foot lot at 2892 Mesquite Drive subject to findings and conditions of approval.

3:10:20Speaker 5

We put a recommendation like to add the air conditioning in the back attachment on this?

3:10:27Speaker 7

There was already a motion that was made. There are options to make a friendly amendment if you want to to make a

3:10:35Speaker 2

Or you can make a substitute.

3:10:36Speaker 7

Or you can do a substitute motion.

3:10:38Speaker 5

Why don't we do a substitute motion on that then, adding the piece?

3:10:43Speaker 2

Of all, let's

3:10:44Speaker 3

What's the motion and the second?

3:10:45Speaker 2

So, first of all, let's ask a question for a quick clarification. You wanna make a you're saying you wanna make a motion about the sound for the air conditioning?

3:10:54Speaker 5

Right. Just for There's no problem. I don't see everything else. Everything else, but the air conditioning is one of the things that

3:11:01Speaker 2

they're That's something we can actually do.

3:11:02Speaker 7

So I would ask that if that's just tying it to, like, what are the the findings that need to be made in order to approve the

3:11:13Speaker 5

I'll be on the file.

3:11:14 – 3:11:48Speaker 7

The permit that that was that's before you. You you can make a motion, so we're gonna have to just think through take a minute and think through what the action is, because you're taking action right now on the hearing officer's determination. So your motion is to modify the hearing officer's determination. I just wanna make sure we're having the right terminology and the rationale so that we have clear motions on the table. So we have motion number one, which is motion to adopt staff recommendation to adopt the resolution that affirms the hearing officer's determination.

3:11:49 – 3:12:07Speaker 7

The second motion on the table right now is a motion to modify the hearing officer's decision to add a condition of approval requiring that the I'm stopping because I want you to add what you

3:12:07Speaker 5

would Add conditioning removed through the back of the house.

3:12:10Speaker 7

So add a condition of approval to move air conditioning

3:12:17Speaker 8

to your rear. Can

3:12:21Speaker 6

I can I offer a modified version of that motion? Sure.

3:12:27Speaker 7

Is this a friendly amendment? Wait.

3:12:29Speaker 3

Wait. There's a motion on

3:12:30Speaker 6

Yes. And I wanna modify the friendly amendment.

3:12:33Speaker 2

No. Hold hold on. I wanna make sure we get this right.

3:12:36Speaker 8

One at a time.

3:12:36 – 3:12:48Speaker 2

Number one, there's the initial motion made by commissioner Biaghini. I'm assuming you're making a substitute motion. Mhmm. And now you wanna make an amendment to the substitute motion. Correct?

3:12:49Speaker 6

Adjustment. Yes.

3:12:51Speaker 2

Amendment. Suggested amendment. Please. Tell

3:12:53Speaker 6

us. Fundamentally changes it from move it to address the noise because moving it is not necessarily required to address the noise.

3:13:04Speaker 8

Discussion on motion, substitute motion, or amendment?

3:13:10Speaker 2

First goes substitute motion. It takes precedence.

3:13:16Speaker 7

Through the chair if I may. The amended substitute motion is the one would be discussed first.

3:13:28 – 3:13:39Speaker 2

So is there a second on the substitute motion as amended? I can second it. Do whatever you

3:13:40Speaker 6

I'll second it.

3:13:41Speaker 2

You could've let it just go too. You know that. No. It it's know, just let it die and then we go to the first one. But, okay, you're seconding it.

3:13:50 – 3:14:11Speaker 7

it. I just wanna sorry, clear up the record. Commissioner Salim, you requested an amendment to the motion, the second motion, or the substitute motion. Commissioner Buza, did you accept the amendment?

3:14:12Speaker 5

Yes. All we we do I address it to the sound.

3:14:16Speaker 5

just moving to this so that way the sound will be.

3:14:19Speaker 7

So the substitute motion being considered is a condition of approval to require the applicant to address the sound of the air conditioning unit.

3:14:27Speaker 5

By bumping into the back.

3:14:30Speaker 6

Forget it. Wait.

3:14:33Speaker 7

And we have a second on that.

3:14:34Speaker 6

Yeah. I'm gonna remove my second because that's not what I was suggesting.

3:14:39Speaker 2

Anyone wants to second his motion, substitute motion?

3:14:42Speaker 7

So the substitute motion is to require an air conditioning unit, a condition of approval to put the air conditioning unit in the rear of the yard.

3:14:50Speaker 7

Is there a second to that? I'll take that. Sorry.

3:14:52 – 3:15:04Speaker 2

Alright, thank you very much. Is there a second? Substitute motion dies for lack of a second. Okay, main motion. There a

3:15:04Speaker 8

I'd like to speak on the main motion.

3:15:08Speaker 15

Yeah, I second it, right?

3:15:11Speaker 2

Did you second it? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. You wanna speak to it a moment?

3:15:15 – 3:15:34Speaker 8

I understand where the substitute motion is coming from, but I would like to stick to the main motion and leave the issue of discussing the air conditioning unit because there's been more than one suggestion made up to the neighbors to work it out. So

3:15:36Speaker 2

Agreed. And more importantly, I think saying that it needs to be in the back or such doesn't necessarily mean that you have less sound.

3:15:42Speaker 5

Right. Oh, yeah. You do.

3:15:44Speaker 8

Okay. So, you guys have been agreement to work it out.

3:15:48Speaker 2

Alright. So, we have a motion. We have a second. Clerk?

3:15:51Speaker 1

Who seconded the motion?

3:15:56Speaker 2

Mystery commissioner.

3:15:59 – 3:16:24Speaker 1

The motion was made by Commissioner Biagini, seconded by Commissioner Wang to adopt the resolution to affirm the decision of the development review officer. Go ahead and cast your vote, please. I'm waiting for two votes. Bottin Carr and Kretchlow.

3:16:24Speaker 2

Yep. You're gonna have to wait a second.

3:16:25Speaker 1

Okay. That's fine.

3:16:29 – 3:16:44Speaker 1

can think. That's fine. Looks like the motion did pass.

3:16:52Speaker 2

Three to four.

3:16:55Speaker 1

Okay. The motion passed. Thank you.

3:16:56Speaker 2

Meet the majority the full majority. Correct?

3:16:59Speaker 7

That is accurate.

3:16:59Speaker 2

That's correct. Thank you.

3:17:00Speaker 1

Okay. Very good. Thank you.

3:17:02Speaker 2

Okay. So, again, thank you for your time and for your presentations and such. Please talk to each other.

3:17:08Speaker 8

Just work it out.

3:17:09 – 3:17:49Speaker 2

And you can still feel? Okay. So, please, I want everybody to try and get together here. And we try and serve you. This we're not trying to serve our own interests in any way, shape, or form. Our pledge is to do what's best for the community. So please please try and see if there are things you can work together that everybody can be happy with what they've got. It's it's a compromise. Thank you. Alright. Are we back to normal now? We can go back to the normal sequence of events? Yeah. Awesome. Thank you.

3:17:51Speaker 2

Clerk, what's the next item on the agenda?

3:17:56Speaker 1

Announcements and other items.

3:18:01Speaker 2

I'm sorry. Could you repeat that,

3:18:02Speaker 1

please? Announcements and other items.

3:18:04Speaker 2

Alright. Announcements and other items, please.

3:18:09Speaker 1

Leslie, do you have anything for this item?

3:18:14Speaker 10

I do not have any anything under announcements.

3:18:22 – 3:18:43Speaker 1

Okay. We're on to the travel and training reports request to attend trainings. I'm not aware of any requests. I did send an email to the commission after our last meeting about the upcoming APA conference. I'm sorry. I don't have it in front of me, but you received an email. No one responded, requesting to attend.

3:18:45Speaker 2

This is the one in October?

3:18:49 – 3:19:09Speaker 1

No. I'm sorry. I don't have it in front of me, but you do have the email. It is does anyone remember where it is? Detroit, I think. Was it Detroit? Yes. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. It just didn't sound right. Detroit. Yeah. That's the APA conference. The California APA conference is in October.

3:19:13 – 3:19:24Speaker 1

yes? October 1. We come up to it. This is the national APA. So anyhow, that is that. Just giving you an update on that.

3:19:25Speaker 6

Can I jump in on that just for a second?

3:19:27Speaker 1

Yeah, absolutely.

3:19:28 – 3:19:59Speaker 6

And travel. I would like to request, I don't require, but I'd like to request if anyone would like to take my spot at the State of the Valley meeting on February. It would be helpful because it turns out my wife is having surgery on February 26, and I need to be home and available to help her during the recovery process. So that's a chunk of time that I'm not sure I should be away.

3:19:59 – 3:20:13Speaker 1

Well, that's already been handled because after our last meeting, we only have two commissioners that are attending, and we have I have processed a refund for the other tickets. And the commissioners were sent an email with all that information also.

3:20:13Speaker 6

So it canceled out from under me, and I didn't even pay attention.

3:20:16Speaker 1

Not from underneath you. You the email was sent to you, and it was a decision made at the last planning commission meeting.

3:20:23Speaker 6

Yeah. I guess I was not awake.

3:20:25Speaker 1

What'd you say?

3:20:26Speaker 6

I I must not have been awake. Thank you for

3:20:28Speaker 8

Could have been.

3:20:28Speaker 1

Commissioner, I think you did bring it up this morning. I don't know.

3:20:32Speaker 1

I think you did.

3:20:32Speaker 6

I can't keep it up. It's okay. Thank you.

3:20:35Speaker 1

It's all been taken care of.

3:20:40 – 3:20:59Speaker 1

As far as budget update, basically, your budget is at the same balance that it was last month, the balance of approximately 15,700. Okay. And now we're on to upcoming agenda items.

3:21:02Speaker 10

Upcoming agenda items. I actually don't have anything exciting

3:21:06 – 3:21:43Speaker 10

I know you were supposed to have a study session with our esteemed city attorney. However, unfortunately, he did need to postpone again. So I do not have a date for that, and that was on the charter review process. So apologies to all of you. Our next meeting is March 11, and as of right now I do not have any agenda items, so we'll keep you all posted should I get some agenda items for you. Well, we'll we'll see if we can get the study session for March 11, but I do need to confirm with our with our city attorney.

3:21:43Speaker 2

Does anybody have any study sessions they can think of they would like to?

3:21:46Speaker 1

Yeah. Let me know.

3:21:53Speaker 2

Alright. That next council

3:21:55 – 3:22:42Speaker 10

action. Council action items. So since your last meeting, the council at their January 27 meeting, they did hear the item on the Mills Act contract terminations. During their deliberations, they made a motion to continue the item to March 10 to give both of the property owners one more chance to come into compliance with their MILSATs. And then on February 10, which was just yesterday, the council did discuss reinstating the boards and commissions dinners that were previously held, and they did vote to reinstate those as well as add an annual recognition dinner.

3:22:42 – 3:22:53Speaker 10

So more to come on those. That is all I have to report. I heard the word pizza mentioned but I think that was in jest. But I don't know. I think we did have pizza once.

3:22:54Speaker 1

They did. Yes they did.

3:22:56Speaker 2

Use We the word dinner and pizza together.

3:23:00Speaker 8

Pizza is not dinner.

3:23:01Speaker 2

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. In Out Burger. Yeah. Well, In N Out Burger. Okay. Okay. Through the chair.

3:23:08 – 3:23:22Speaker 17

Quickly, chair. Thanks. Quite some time ago, we had a joint session studying the impact of data centers. Has there been anything that has come out from the staff in terms of policy or or any progress along those lines?

3:23:22Speaker 10

There has not. And we have had no data center applications in quite some time.

3:23:28Speaker 2

Do you like one? I

3:23:31Speaker 8

declined to answer that Point

3:23:34 – 3:24:01Speaker 2

of interest for that, the state of Florida has legislation now going on regarding data centers and costs that they want to basically say look, you can't have residents subsidize any of your costs. Might be interesting to take a look at or ask our counsel just loves nothing better to do than review those kinds of things. And that might be an interesting update for us at some point to look at. So I think it would be applicable.

3:24:05Speaker 3

Can I just add, we shouldn't adjourn without recognizing that we just had one of the best Super Bowl events in our city,

3:24:15Speaker 8

a party, but you know, at

3:24:19Speaker 3

least give ourselves credit? We made it to the world stage and we made it to thank you city and thank you to course I we had

3:24:27Speaker 2

would have a little disagreement there because the city of San Francisco made a lot of money. The city of San Jose made a lot of money. Interesting.

3:24:36Speaker 2

we did not make as much, but I will say one thing that I'm really happy about is the city council did an excellent job of trying to ensure

3:24:46 – 3:25:00Speaker 2

Safety Yes. Yes. Especially regarding ice and such. Yes. Air air. They were under the I don't wanna say under the gun. That's not a bad thing to say, but they were definitely under a lot of pressure, and I think they they performed very well, and I thank them for that.

3:25:00Speaker 5

Hear. All facilities. Yes.

3:25:02Speaker 15

All all departments.

3:25:03Speaker 3

And now we just have FIFA to look for. Yeah. One down. One to go.

3:25:08Speaker 2

Oh, right. Okay.

3:25:09Speaker 3

But thank you staff. Are

3:25:12Speaker 2

are we good with the city council actions?

3:25:15Speaker 1

Yes, that is all I have.

3:25:16Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you. Then I shall move to adjourn.

3:25:18Speaker 3

So move second. Closed.

3:25:22Speaker 5

Thank you. Thank you. Super Bowl. Yeah.

3:25:26Speaker 8

Soccer fans don't get as excited. Right?

3:25:28Speaker 5

Well, when the teams start

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