City Council - Regular Meeting

The August 20th, 2026 special meeting of the Sanger City Council is called to order at 5.31 p.m. Under Brown Act Code, Brown Act Government Code Section 54953C2, the legislative body of a local agency shall publicly report any action taken and the vote or abstention on that action of each member present for the action. Item B, roll call.

Mayor Gonzalez. Here. Mayor Pro Tem Martinez. Council Member Hurtado. Council Member Montelongo.

Here.

Council Member Melendez.

Thank you. Item C, agenda approval.

We'll accept the motion. Make a motion to approve.

Second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries 3-0, 2 being absent. Item D, public forum. There being nobody in the audience, we'll move on to... Oh, is there any... Anyone online? Okay. Thank you. Please raise your hand. No.

Close session. State Attorney? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We have one item for closed session tonight as pursuant to Government Code section 54957.6, Conference of Labor Negotiators. Agency-designated representatives are Chalene Bennett, Lead Negotiator, Amanda Champion, HR Manager, Employee Organizations, or Sanger General Employees, Organization, Sanger Mental Management Organization. Wow. Sanger Police Officers Association, Sanger Firefighters Association, Stationary Engineers Local 39, Unrepresented slash Confidential Employees, and Executive Employees. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Go to close. Close meeting.

City Attorney, report from closed session. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There is no reportable action taken in closed session.

Thank you. There being no further business, this meeting is adjourned at 6.17 p.m. August 20, 2026, a regular meeting of the City of New York City Council is called to order at 617 PM. Under Brown Act Government Code Section 54953 , the legislative body or a local agency shall publicly report any action taken and the vote or abstention on that action of each member present for the action. Opening ceremonies. The invocation will be done by Pastor Leo Falcone from the House of Refuge. I'll leave the flag salute, then we'll have a roll call. Please stand.

Good evening, everyone. Let's bow our heads and let's pray in the presence of the Lord. Heavenly Father, we thank you for your goodness and for your grace and for your mercy. Lord God, we thank you for your faithfulness, Lord God, because you are on the throne and you see all, you know all, you made all, Lord God, and you rule supreme. Lord God, we ask today for your blessing upon this meeting, Lord God, that even though your eyes see everything and hear everything and know everything, Lord God, we ask for the blessing. The first blessing that we ask for, Lord God, is for a blessing of peace. Lord God, that peace would overtake our city. That peace would overtake our streets. Lord God, that peace would overtake our homes. And Lord God, that peace, God, would overtake how we interact with each other. Lord God, everything that is presented today, Lord God, let it be done in the spirit of peace. Also, God, we ask you, God, for progress. Lord God, that today as we discuss, as whatever is presented today, Lord God, that it will be done with the spirit of humility, the spirit of progress, Lord God, and that it will be done with the spirit of peace. Lord God, we know, Lord God, that we are all dealing and in the midst of many, many circumstances and situations, God, inside and outside of home, of life, work, whatever it may be. But God, let us never forget that you are a God of peace. God, you watch over us, Lord God, and let us remember that. Let us live in that Let us operate in that. Lord God, for every council member that is here today, bless them, Lord God. Bless them in the spirit, God, and bless them in the natural, God. For every entity, every organization that is represented here today, the police department, the city manager, Lord God. the fire department, whomever they may be, and every extension, Lord God, of this city. Lord God, we ask, God, that a spirit of peace, a blessing of peace would overtake us, but also, Lord God, that you would bless them in ways that only you see and know, ways that are unknown to us, Lord God. Bless every resident that is here today. Even as they represent whatever interest or whatever concern they may bring, Lord God, bless them. Bless their neighbors. God, bless those to the south, to the north, to the east, Lord God. Everyone that lives here, Lord God, we are praying that this blessing of peace would overtake this city. Lord God, we ask God for a blessing, whatever is decided, Lord God. Let it be done according to your will. Let it be done, God, according to your, to give you honor and glory. We pray all of these things today in the precious name of Jesus Christ. Amen and amen.

Flag salute. Ready? Salute. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands,

Roll call Americans all this year mayor protein Martinez here councilmember her title. Councilmember Montelongo here councilmember Melendez here.

And for the record on close session councilmember Melendez participated in close session deliberations thank you thank you.

We have a quorum when we try to see agenda approval additions and or deletions I'll accept the motion.

No motion. Second.

We have a motion and a second. I'll second, Mr. Mayor. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimous. We don't have any presentations, so we'll move straight to public forum. This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public who wish to address the council on any matters not listed on the agenda and within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city council. Each speaker is limited to three minutes. Speakers shall address all comments to the mayor and the council as a body and not to any particular council member or members of the staff. Speakers are asked but not required to state their name and address. The council is prohibited by law from taking actions on any items not on the agenda. The public forum is now open. Anybody wishing to speak, please approach the microphone.

Hello, people. I'm a concerned citizen, and it's kind of hard to get on board. When at the last meeting I had asked about the signals that are on almond and Bethel, what's up with them? Why are they taking so long to light up? And I was given a response that it was PG&E that was holding it up. The very next day I went over there and I saw some dudes out there working and I stopped and I asked them. I saw what they were doing. They were still wiring up the signals. Not PG&E. They were still wiring them up. Monday I go, there's more guys out there wiring up the other signals. And they were putting in the loop, the loop detector, or I don't know what they're going to have, presence detector, I don't know what kind of detection they're going to have there. But they were still doing that, and that's in the middle of the road. That had nothing to do with PG&E. So I don't appreciate that. And while I was on the phone with PG&E, I asked... The question about last year, there is a pole right across the street at those new buildings that you paid, I don't know what it is, $480, whatever it is. You're paying a lot of money now. But the guy wire there is unprotected, and the pole is unprotected. And I got the response too back then. They contacted PG&E, and you know them. They're taking their time to get to it. I called them. They were out in 25 minutes. They called me back. I wasn't even going to meet them. It's not even their poll. So why someone said they contacted PG&E and they were going to get to it, that's not true. So I already have two truths that I wonder what else is true out here. I don't appreciate being teased. If you want to say a nice word about that. You're supposed to be leaders here and we can't trust you on that. And then it's time to go because simple questions were just not being, I can't be answered truthfully. And I got more to hear, but I see my time's running up. So I still want to know about those signals. They weren't bagged. They're supposed to be bagged. I stopped and I talked to the workers. I said, you go get them bagged. And they said that it was a city inspector's issue. A little tiny stop sign that's out there. That was wrong. They finally made it to at least a five or six, seven foot post up there. That was wrong. We're doing too many wrong things here, guys. Too many wrong things. And you want to run a city? I don't think so. I still want to know what happened in Los Osos as far as who paid for that. Who are you guys fraternizing with to pay for your golf tournament or a little outing, the conference room? And... What'd you do, Mr. Olson, with that 500 and something dollars that Los Osos returned to you? That was never commented on. So anyways, you guys got to get better.

I'm a member of a group that's a member chamber of commerce. The chamber area covers the same district as the school district covers. Roughly, it has somewhere under 200 members. The city of Sanger has had a relationship with the chamber for over 100 years. What has happened here in the last six months or more been pretty screwed up. We had a CEO of the chamber that had some kind of issue with the city, but when the chamber, the board found out that they were short of finances, the CEO abruptly resigned. And then that's what really, after that point in time, all of a sudden, the city's relationship between the chamber and the city from that point went down in the toilet. That don't pass the smell test for me. You guys are sitting up there. You know more about it than I do. You kind of killed it. But anyway, The contract was on the agenda at one time last month. And there was some snarky-ass comments made by that man because he put it in the damn agenda. And as far as I'm concerned, what comes around goes around. But anyway, I talked to the mayor. I know I'm not supposed to talk to people like that. It's against the law. Not the Constitution, but their law. I asked him about why did the chamber lose the 4th of July? He says, well, we gave it to them. And I said, yeah, and you took it back into conversation. Anyway, down the road after some of this was going on, the city manager appointed two of you to an ad hoc committee. Never heard anything about it afterwards. And how long have you been working for the city manager? I thought it was the other way around, that the city manager worked for you. But he appointed you to an ad hoc committee. What did you find out? Not a damn thing, because you never reported on it. So much for that. That's great leadership skills, I'm telling you.

Anyway, the budget came over. There was no more mention of the signature of the chamber.

Thank you. Anyway, as I walk out, I'll keep going. There was never a mention of the chamber. When you voted on the budget, you cut the budget to the chamber. So hey, if you don't ask questions, you'll never get answers if you don't ask.

Thank you. Oswaldo Vera committed the activists for half a century here. Started the boxing club over 50 years ago. We saved a lot of kids. We went through hell, but with the kids, it was very good. And before that, I want to congratulate him and him. They did a beautiful job over there with the same citizens. I was expecting a little less, but they will. Congratulations. Yeah, and I brought all pictures because I'm going to ask a question, Orita, brother. And I want you to see this. Here. I was going to ask the CD if I could put a couple of pictures at the boxing room. I got a lot of pictures with champions. We made a lot of champions for Sanger. We made history. Not playing baseball is saccharine. Representing Sanger. I tell Golden Boy, I made him a friend over there. When he knocked out Chavez, I didn't train him too much. You can show it to him. Yeah.

That's Oscar De La Hoya.

Yes, my little buddy. And he talked to me, brother, when they were really poor in Los Angeles. They were on food stamps. And he showed me up. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor, Council Member, and City Manager. My name is Liz Pereira. I have a couple of questions regarding upcoming community events and city grant program. First of all, I'd like to ask who's in charge of coordinating the trunk retreat this year? I left a couple of messages requesting some information, just who's going to be responsible for that, but I've not received any phone calls back. I also have a question regarding the Measure R nonprofit grant. I was recently reviewing the city website looking for information about the grant. but I noticed that there no longer is any mention of the grant. There's also no information. It's been like wiped out. There's no past grants or anything. So I know that it had been previously stated that there would be a discussion regarding whether the grant allocation would be returned back to public safety. I'd like to know if that discussion has taken place or is it still planned and whether or not that the nonprofit grant program will still continue moving forward. Could you please clarify the current status of measure on a nonprofit grant, including whether funding will remain available for local nonprofits? And if so, where organizations can find this information?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening. Sherry Gumber Carter from Sanger. narrative, a story or account of connected events, whether real or fictional. It encompasses various elements, such as characters, plots, and perspective, which shape how the story is told and understood. Thank you.

My name is Kevin Carter. I've talked previously about how I believe there ought to be an audit of our sewer farm or wastewater treatment plant. The subject doesn't seem to be picking up a lot of traction down here at City Hall. First of all, we talk about transparency. Me, this would be real transparent for the citizens to know exactly what's going on down there after years of questionable situation. And last meeting that came up about it was questioned about the length of this emergency declaration that we've had. So my question is, did we end the emergency declaration because the project's done down there? Or did we end it because we were questioned about how long it had gone on and we needed to end it? According to the Waste Water Board, when this project started a couple of years ago, we had, this is a quote the guy told me, we had excessive violations. So my question is, and this is a simple question, how many violations are still open? Have we taken care of all the violations and closed them? Do we still have 10, 20? It's a relatively simple question. And I still think we need to have an audit. And so subjects come up around town, the lines in the street. As Waldo's been talking about this for two or three years, it's bad. And I'm not going to name the streets. I got a whole list of them, but I don't have time. But every time I drive around town, I mean, there's no lines left. And somehow we seem to take what doesn't seem like it's that hard of a situation to deal with. And we neglected because before it eventually becomes a major situation. Like the sewer farm like water when we're giving up bottled water, like the audits and the lines we've ignored it to announce becoming a major situation winters coming the rainy seasons coming. And I kind of have a solution for this problem. I think we ought to buy a notebook and a pencil for every vehicle the city owns it. Put it in the vehicle. When your guys drive around town, make a note. This street has a pipe pothole. We got a busted sidewalk. This happened. And at the end of every month, turn in our notebook. It wouldn't be real expensive. Thank you.

Any other public comment? Seeing none, is there anyone virtually who would like to speak? Please raise your hand. Nope. Okay. With that said, public forum is closed. We'll move to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion and one vote. There will be no separate discussions of these items. If discussion is desired, a member of the audience or a council member may request an item be removed from the consent calendar and it will be considered separately. Anybody from the council wish to remove an item?

Number seven, Mr. Mayor.

The other anybody from the audience wishing to remove an item. Was anybody virtually who would wish to Okay. In regards to that consent calendar with the exceptions of items at 6, 7, 10, and 11, do I have a motion to approve? So moved. Do I have a motion? I'll second. We'll have a motion and a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimously. Item 6.

I don't quite know. We have a lot of basic needs needed here in the city, such as the lines in the street. And our budget situation seems to be, I'm going to use the word tight. We don't really seem to have a lot of extra money for things. Are we justified to the public to spend this money for this trip? Thank you.

Thank you.

So this is a trip that I believe the mayor has taken most generally every year. Um, I know right now, a lot of you are, we're going through the safe streets with the grant. We got through Berkeley. They're going to do some more classes and stuff on that program at this conference, which is why we were going to send the public works director. Um, we're part, we're part of the, um, I'm sorry, parks and rec director. We're part of the league of California cities. We go to that every year, um, coming up here in a little while in California, but the national league, they move it around to different, different areas of the United States. So this is where we go and work to get work, to get things done and get information and get the latest and greatest and share ideas and network and meet with people. So, um, Doug, do you have anything you'd like to say about the, the trip? Yeah.

I think you have one more citizen too. One more citizen.

Just know for choosing for myself to go to attend this, it wasn't taken lightly. I did research the options that were there to what I was looking into to attend. And there are actually a lot of offsite ones that are actually not as a direct conference. They're taken to locations within the city to show what they have done as a city that I was looking to bring back and look for ways in which we could use. One in particular that I know the city manager spoke about was a specific, sorry, excuse me. It's called the Go Your Own Way, features Nashville Transit Plan. And it's forming its streets, choose how you move. They approve the transit program, dedicates different investments, upgraded sidewalks, smart traffic signals, extended transit routes, tangible exchange already underway. And it's a mobile workshop that shows how they did and got funding for exactly what we are just now going through with that Berkeley project. And I was hoping to go get more information and a different perspective and potential funding opportunities through maybe federal grants through that as well. And so along with that and some other ones related to green spaces and which we are, of course, have a lot of green spaces looking to expand our green spaces and opportunities to do that as far as trailways is concerned as well. We've talked a lot about pathways and walkways throughout the community. This is another one of the offsite ones that's going to be done to take and show how they were able to take that money and allocate it and make those greenways and pathways and walkways as well. So between those two, amongst the few others, there were some talk about some affordable housing and other different areas that I would love to also attend as part of the conference and possibly bring back to even some of the other agencies within the state.

Thank you. And as an attendee for the last three years, I could tell you, It's invaluable that the city of Sanger is recognized on a national level. We need to be recognized and have a seat at the table. The main thing, it's listed here in the staff report, leadership development. parks and rec best practices, funding opportunities, municipal innovations, professional networking. Those things all happen at this conference. Now, when I go by myself, picture an entire conference room with say at nine o'clock from nine to 11, there's breakout sessions. There's probably 15 of them. I'm only one guy. I'm so happy that somebody from the staff would like to go and attend these important breakout sessions. A lot of them have to deal with homelessness, transportation issues, parks and rent. They deal with innovation, drones, autonomous vehicles, electric vehicles for the police and fire. really overwhelming for for just me to go but um you know i always made the best of it and came back with some good practices some some things that we haven't thought before you know like uh cost tax cost sharing to try to help pay for some of our of some of our buildings help them get uh re-roofed and solar solar projects i mean that the uh the possibilities there are almost endless and uh And that's why I go. Again, I've been going for the last three years. And I went pre-COVID also. So I can see the importance of Sanger being represented at these things. But did council have anything?

All right.

Yeah.

Public comment. This is in regards to F6. Yes. What the city needs to do is put a poster out front called Fly Sanger. Maybe you can open a travel agency out front. I hate to see the mayor go because that'll leave a leadership vacuum in town.

Well, you know, you did mention fly singer. That was one of the things that that I brought back to because there's going to be a lot of heavy drone activity and we're going to have to at one point look and find our ordinance for our our skies. That came out in this National League of Cities conference, and I know that's kind of really far on our radar, but they were talking about buying taxis and stuff like that. To me, I was like, we don't even have a taxi, so flying taxis are probably off the ways a little bit, but it's going to be out there. We're going to have to start looking at our airways. Is there any other public comment in regards to item F6? Seeing none, public comment is closed. Is there any more comment?

I just have a comment. Go ahead. What I like about this is I'm always about funding because we don't, you know, with the general, it's hard to do. And I know years ago and years ago, there was a lot of money for Parks and Rec. I mean, extremely money. There was even money. We have a youth council. There was even stuff coming from the state. to fund youth councils. We were the first to have the youth council. And I remember them going to one of these things and learn opportunities. So this is a great opportunity. But my thing is learn the funding, learn the ropes, what the state and federal government could say and what we could apply for and bring it here. Because there's a lot of things going on here. There's more things we got to do. I mean, a lot of people talk about soccer. A lot of people want more programs in football, outside basketball courts. What's the other thing that people like that? Pickleball and so this is opportunity to come back and tell us, and then we're looking for a 30 acre park in the near future. This is a grabber. You know, it's a grabber for me, because. And some of the parks I want that I have currently in district 4, I would like to see more lighting that will be for safety for our community. I mean. bring with an example doesn't have that good lighting we've been asked talking about it for a while we put basketball courts there i want to put some lighting but there's a time that you could probably look and say there's a grand opportunity there because in district three and district four we can't use dbc bunny you know it can't be used for our those areas so we gotta look for other places and i like this so I'm going to, you know, when you guys come back, I want to, I want to hear something about the funding and what state and federal and how could we apply and give it to our consulting firms so far. The networking is great too, because other cities, what they're doing, we don't, you know, we don't have to redo everything. We could just look and see what they're doing and come up with some better ideas here too, as well. So I appreciate time you're going. I'm always in favor. I can't go to places, but I'm happy that all you guys are going because you guys always come back with some great information and I appreciate that. Thank you, mayor.

Yeah. And, um, Just the last thing, you know, when I go there, there's committees for small cities, there's committees for veterans committees, there's committees for just parks and rec. And, you know, you know, with that said, we'll go ahead and open this for motion.

I'll make a motion to approve.

I'll second, Mr. Mayor.

Do I have a motion and a second? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimously. Item F7.

Mayor, on this one, this should actually have been not on consent. It should be for discussion because we have to do a voting delegate and we also have to talk about the resolution. So, City Attorney, should we do it now or should we push it for the public hearing? Now? Okay. Okay. Pull it up here. Okay, so essentially at the League of California Cities, which is later this year here in Anaheim, California, we need to designate one of our electeds that is going to vote for a resolution. And basically the resolution is this. be it resolved by the General Assembly of the League of California Cities, assembled during the annual conference in Anaheim, California, on September 25th, 2026, that the League of California Cities support the development and advancement of a state constitutional amendment or other legislative policy or ballot-based strategies that restore and strengthen local authority, to give local authority over housing and land use matters within municipal boundaries, including general plans, housing elements, zoning, density design, and development standards, project siting, and the approval or denial of housing development applications. So this is kind of like some of these affordable projects that are coming in there as of right now, the city, They get to come in by right. We can't stop it. They even get concessions to our own building codes and things of that nature that is due to state law, not local law. What the cities are doing now is. It's it's a frustrating point for a lot of cities and residents of cities. I know we have people unhappy about. the one coming into town. But this is a step in the right direction, and this would give the League of California Cities, who I believe were a member, and it's about $11,000 or $12,000 a year to be part of this league, but they will put a delegate together, a work team, and then they'll get to work trying to get legislation so we can gain local control back over our housing elements and how we do business in town. So with that, if I could get an alternate or a voting member and an alternate, and then we'll need council to agree if they want to vote yes on this initiative, abstain or vote no against it.

I'd like to refer to Mayor Pro Tem. Since he is the president of the South Side of San Joaquin Valley League of Cities, and I'm just a mayor.

I think you have more reporting power than I do. But no, I appreciate that, Mr. Mayor. Yes, I am the president of the League of Cities. We have over 300 member cities, and we're broken up by divisions. We happen to be the South San Joaquin division, and we have about 20 or 30 cities in our little division. And I lead as a president. I also have a vice president, and we have other executive board members as well. And what the league does is just a brief little synopsis. One city has one voice. When you go to Sacramento, where are you from? From Sanger. Like, OK. But the League of Cities, what we've done is it's more of a union and a group of voices that speak together. We have a whole lot more power, so to speak, when we speak as one. Because as the city manager just described, what we're looking for is this resolution here is a lot of our League cities are going to say enough. Sacramento has taken away a lot of land use authorities that we have locally and taking it away and they're making all the decisions and it leaves us powerless. So the point of this resolution is to form a working group It's simply a bunch of member cities getting together, trying to evaluate how we can create a constitutional amendment or some type of initiative that will restore local housing and local land use authority back to the cities where it belongs. So with that, I definitely would appreciate being nominated as our voting delegate. And if anybody wants to be an alternate, that's fine. But I also would like to... you know, at a later time, I'm gonna make the motion to approve this resolution and support the League of Cities in their mission to restore local land use authorities back to the communities. Thank you.

Oh, yeah. Did you guys have anything else?

No.

Okay. In regards to item F seven. Is there anybody from the public that would wish to comment? Seeing none, public comment is closed. Is there anybody on line? No. No? OK. In regards to item, oh wait, we're going to make a motion for a. Yeah, I can make a motion.

Does anybody want to be alternate, by the way?

Yeah, I'll volunteer to be alternate.

I'll make the motion to nominate or to appoint myself Daniel Martinez, Mayor Pro Tem as the voting delegate with the alternate being Mayor Frank Gonzalez to represent the cities at the League of Cities Annual Conference. And I'd also like to continue the motion by saying the city's position is to support the proposed resolution for the League of California Cities in regards to evaluating working group to evaluate and determine whether or not a constitutional amendment or an initiative to restore local housing and land use authority back to the community. So with that, that's my motion.

That's it. Do I have a motion? Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimously. Item F10.

Joshua would like to come up and take this?

i got a fan huh good evening mayor and council josh rogers city engineer this item is for recommending final acceptance of the almond avenue reconstruction project between bethel and greenwood a federal funded project that we just wrapped up recently um typical item for us i don't know if there were specific questions on the public

Did that project, that was just the street, the road that we're talking about, not the sidewalk? The sidewalk that was installed there between Bethel and Green, that was part of this? That sidewalk is, you know, I think... Sometimes I think Sanger just goes through the formalities. Okay, you want a sidewalk? There it is. I don't think there's too much thought put into that. If you look at it, especially if you're ADA, if you're handicapped and you have a wheelchair, good luck getting around on that sidewalk. You got poles right in the middle of the damn sidewalk, and then certainly there's cutouts where you have to go around that pole. Not very much room. It is wide enough, but you better maneuver your chair pretty well. And if you go off to the side too much, you're going down that embankment. It's kind of dangerous. I don't know what it looks like at night now. Do all those poles have lighting? But I don't think there was enough thought put into that sidewalk when you guys did it. I think it was something that you wanted to do right away and didn't consider handicapped people in chairs or kids with strollers. know the runners are running out not straight they can't because you jump off the curb you don't have a lot of it is in the sidewalk where people can easily get down that sidewalk all the way from one end to the other you're just like a ping pong ball you can only go so far and that's it you got to turn around come back hit that pole turn around go back there just isn't enough safe room so if you planned it you should look at a little bit better because It's you guys go look at it. Let's go look at it and see if you're you're loved ones want to put in a wheelchair and go down there. See how they can maneuver it. Well, that's the only issue I got. It's in there already. But hey, that's how we do things kind of have passed out here.

Thank you. Is there any other public comment? No.

Okay, go ahead. Public comment.

Yeah, the public comment is closed.

PB, Harmon Zuckerman, The one one comment I will make about the PG any poll the PB, Harmon Zuckerman, There were polls that were relocated as part of another project and that poll was in a spot where it would, it was supposed to be. Oh, we weren't going to relocate it because we put the sidewalk behind it. But there was enough cut coming down that we wanted to make sure from PG&E that they had enough cover on the pole. We assumed there was. We don't know how deep they are because it was next to the curb. We brought PG&E. They said, because there was a lot of fill on it, we would like to change that pole out before you cut around it for the sidewalk. But we don't know how long that's going to take. We said, We're going to go around it for now, and we're going to set it up and then do a PG&E pole replacement application. So that's in the works. So they're going to come out later and deepen that pole. So we just didn't want to mess with it because there's overhead wires on it. And at that point, there's a little curb around it, and all that will be replaced with pouring concrete around it for minimal, but it was going to hold up the whole project. And so we went around it for now. Everything was built for ADA clearances and everything, and it'll get that part that the residents bring it up when PG&E comes out and deepens the poll won't be, I don't think, as much of a concern as he has. So I just wanted to make that one thing clear. Thank you.

In regards to item F10, council, do you have any final

Just one quick question, Mayor. So if the poll's still there, and hypothetically speaking, just a scenario, let's say if there was an accident due to the poll being in the middle of the concrete, whose liability would it be technically since PG&E still hasn't done their side of the work?

Maybe I can answer this one. unless you really want to do it josh but the general rule is is um it depends on the type of accident if we're talking about somebody who's uh say in a wheelchair or something or trips and falls against the pole um as a general rule if it's ada compliant it's built for design then the city has design immunities that attach to that and if um for some reason uni doesn't get their pole removed and their pool causes somebody damaged then PG&E can also be sued. Now, as a practical matter, I will tell you from having done this, you know, a third of a century or so, people, if they get hurt anywhere, they will sue anyone within, you know, a 40-mile radius. So if it's our sidewalk, regardless if it's done perfectly and right, we're probably going to be named in a lawsuit as a practical matter.

Just making sure, just so we know, we need to expedite this with PG&E. I know some projects have been delayed, but just want to make sure communications, you know, on track to get this done. Thank you.

Yeah, and just as an added discussion, if you want us to deal with PG&E relocating poles on all of our projects, we can. It would be real tough to get anything done. So we usually have to make accommodations for existing utilities. And we do our best to not let that drag out all of our projects.

Josh, I appreciate everything you're doing and working with PG&E. So I'm meeting with him again because some of the problems just before and just to get reassurance and everything. So he's going to be down with me and everything. And that's what I love about the representative PG&E is he's willing to come out and talk and let us know. Never lies to us, you know, always tell us what the issues are and what could happen and so on. And they're not guaranteed anytime they're here. You know, I just talked to a councilman just in another city and their thing got delayed another four weeks because of an issue that PG&E had to go do. And so they're just estimates. But I appreciate you and your work that you've done. And I appreciate the rec that PG&E is doing because I know they're out there quite often. Met them out there a couple of days ago too. So thank you. Thank you.

In regards to item F10, do I have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion. Approved. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimously. Item F11.

Is there a particular concern with this one?

Kevin Carter. This is more of an observation, I guess, than anything else. I gather from what I read, the left turn lanes at Jensen and Greenwood are going to be put in on Jensen only. It's really too bad they aren't putting left turn lanes in also on Greenwood. As I walk most every morning, that's probably the most dangerous corner I go through on a regular basis. And when you're trying to cross Jensen on Greenwood, Those people turning left have waited a long time and they're watching the cars coming because they're looking for an opening in the car. And when you're out there as a pedestrian, they missed you. They never saw you. You're jumping out of the way or running for your life or whatever. But like I say, I'm sure this project is too far along the design stage and the money stage to make any changes to it. And I understand that too. But I'm sure we're getting money from another source, maybe the state or whomever. So they don't know the situation in Sanger because they're looking at the project on a piece of paper. My point is, if you go out and walk that intersection, we really need a left turn lane on Greenwood, really. Thank you. Thank you.

In regards to item F11, do you have anything to add, counsel? I have a couple.

Okay. So we're just to be clear as public comment open. Yes, thank you. So I'm sorry, I jumped again.

Any who's just a comment, just a comment. Where it says on 11 to two, excuse me. getting money, $76 to purchase signal poles, mast arms, signal controller, signal cabinet, all that. You guys requested that same amount for the crossing that was at Amman and Bethel. And it was to be used to expedite that crossing. You asked for it last May. It was more than May, actually. And I questioned it because money was already allocated for that crossing. It was supposed to have been, you had all the money to build that crossing. We were just waiting for you, said a contractor. Then all of a sudden, hey, we can really get this done fast if we go locally and buy these pieces instead of trucking them in from whoever. We could expedite that crossing in no time because it's going to be locally. I was thinking Fresno or Calloway or something like that because that's where we used to get our stuff from. But anyway, so it wasn't expedited. It took over a year before you got that. I guess it's the material that's sitting there at that crossing now. But... It always bothered me to see that, that you said you were going to expedite this by, if we could just pitch in another 76, and then there turned out to be 85. I didn't even know how that extra number came in there. But regardless, I said, you know what? Some kid lost his life there. Someone else got hurt. Whatever it takes, just rape me. I don't care. Take all the money. Just get it done. But you didn't get it done in a quick enough time. It took a year and a half. Again, just the way these things are being operated here in Sangre, I just don't get you guys.

So the reason we do that is these are long lead time items. We put the polls in when they showed up. Had we not done the expedited requests such as this one, you still wouldn't have polls here for that project that we're getting ready to finish. If we wait on the contractor to order them, we've got to wait to go through the whole bid process and the lead times get thrown off by months. A lot of electrical components are in long lead time. Hopefully, council approves this one and I'd be more than happy to track the days until they show up and report back because they are long lead time items. And it does save us a few months off the job by doing it this way. And the money we pay towards the equipment comes off the contract for the contractor. So we're not paying them to do it and we buy it. It's a wash money-wise. And the reason it's more than 76% is there's also tax and shipping. So we don't know exactly what the shipping costs are going to be that we get them, but it's $76 for the equipment plus tax and shipping.

CHRIS RODGERS, JR.: Thank you. In regards to item F-11, the motion to approve. TODD BANDUCCI, JR.: Is public hearing closed? CHRIS RODGERS, JR.: Public hearing is closed. Does anybody know? It's closed anyway. Is there anybody even on there? Yes. TODD BANDUCCI, JR.: Oh, OK. Um, regards item F 11 motion to approve.

Mayor have a quick question first out and then I'll make a motion. Uh, Josh, um, this, if you can clarify for the audience, um, you know, can you provide the reasoning for the type of signal that's going to go there in that intersection?

Um, and the reasoning behind it type of signal in terms of the configuring, like the, the where the lanes are or what type of poles? Can you clarify? Poles? Signal poles are pretty universally pulled from Caltrans standard plans. And so the poles that get specified are completely based on the length of the mast arms, how many lanes you're approaching, how many signal heads you have to have, how much is hanging off of it. That drives the type of poll, so you you base our poll orders on the configuration of the roadways and then there's standard configurations that are recommended by the me tcd to have. type of polls, but they're they're very standard and they're almost universally pulled from the caltrans standard book, no matter where you go.

that's going there, is that going to be safer for pedestrians in that intersection? Or are there any other things that we could do to improve?

I think it's going to be more than you have today because the way that it is today, there's only a single pole at each intersection. and there's a limited number of signal heads. So the new configurations get two poles at every intersection and at least two more signal heads So you're gonna have more signal heads at every intersection. The left turn, the protected left turns on Jensen Avenue is a safety improvement. You're adding protected left turns on Jensen, so you're able to not have people waiting for the gap on Jensen, which is the more heavily traveled road. It'll have, I think, double the pedestrian signals, just because of the additional poles. double of almost everything, which is helpful. And then the only reason that left turn lanes didn't get put on Greenwood is there's not room on Greenwood to add left turn lanes without acquiring right away from pretty much all four corners. And some of those properties that could have been taking buildings based on setbacks. And so Jensen Avenue being the most heavily traveled kind of by far, when you look at the HAB-Jacques Juilland, Traffic numbers on Jensen versus Greenwood, we were able to get left her protected left turns on on Jensen. HAB-Jacques Juilland, And so that's that's where we went.

Josh, who are we getting the right of way from? We already did the land acquisition.

We did. We acquired that. We kind of planned ahead for this project. And before the dental office came in, we figured out what the geometrics were going to be. And we conditioned that project before it came in and before I had any development plan of dedicating a little piece on the corner that they then factored into their design. We have all the right of way. That's the other thing we need to mention on this project. We had to deliver this project by now. We basically got the paperwork in right at the deadline to hold on to the money. And we lost a little bit of time on that for various reasons. So we were able to actually do this project faster than most that I've seen. And yeah, did the best we could to improve the safety there and also improve it's going to soften the curve too because right now you basically come in and then it's almost like hard angle this one's going to soften it oops sorry uh so yeah i don't know if there's any other questions but thanks

Is there any? No. Thank you. It's exciting because a lot of citizens have been wanting it for years, and we finally got the money. It's federal dollars, partially funded. So it's good. Thank you, Josh. Thank you.

Okay. In regards to item F11, do we have a motion?

So moved.

A second. Do we have a motion and a second? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries. All right. Item H. Public hearing. The public hearing to consider adoption of the 2025 California fire code is now before the council. Staff?

Yeah. Chief, you want to take this one?

I will. Thank you. This is some great reading here. I apologize for reading this out, but I do want to get it out as a recommendation since it's a public hearing. Tonight, Council, you're asked to consider and introduce by title only and waive the first reading of an ordinance of the City of Sanger incorporating and adopting express findings of necessity related to the local climatic topographical and geological conditions that make the city's amendments to the California fire code reasonably necessary repealing article 3 of chapter 30 and adding article 3 to chapter 30 of the center municipal code relating to fire and life safety regulations and adopt resolution number 2026 dash 76 making the express findings to the California fire code reasonably necessary because of local climatic geographical and or topographical conditions, which is also including ordinance 2026 dash 06. So in a nutshell, every three years, the California Building Code is reviewed by the California Building Standards Commission, and it's put into effect in January of 2026. Incidentally, we didn't receive our code books until May, I think, of this year. So we were able to start working on this in early June. We currently operate on our municipal code on the 2016 standards, which have been adopted, that were adopted back then, and tonight we're reintroducing a resolution ordinance to be considered for adoption to bring a code into current conditions. Currently, the way that the codes work is that you cannot change California fire code arbitrarily. There has to be some significant reasons on why you would want to change the fire code. And like we spoke about earlier with local control, you can make the code more stringent, but you can't make it less stringent. You have to at least maintain it to where it's at in the book today. And those reasons can only be either based on climate topographical concerns or geological conditions. And so what we've done is we've taken a look at our climatic conditions with our temperatures here in the valley. We look at how hot it is here in the summertime. We look at the geological concerns, considering our limited water supply, even though our water supply has admittedly been significantly better over the years. We are primarily based on groundwater. We don't really have a lot of any other way to get our water. And then we also look at climate and topographical concerns, considering our air in a valley and how it is poor here in the valley. When we look at all those things and we take in consideration how we operate and maintain the fire code, we develop findings that can help keep businesses safe, but also consider the operations of our fire department. The one change we're making to the fire code this year is based on fire sprinkler systems. This change in the fire code has been... in the fire in the municipal code for my twenty five years here. We've never really changed it. It's been the same. We're continuing to do the same. This is pretty common in the valley. There's no other city outside of the Central Valley that I'm aware of that has a different code than this. We all speak about this in our meetings, and so we're all on the same page when it comes to sprinkler systems. We know that fire sprinkler systems have been proven effective in suppressing and extinguishing structural fires. We know that fires that have a shorter duration and they're less intense produce less smoke that affects the air quality. We also know that when fires happen in the business and a sprinkler goes off, fewer fire personnel are needed to perform direct attack on the fire, which reduces personnel exposed to high heat. And lastly, we also know that when we have a lot of sprinklers in town, we don't have an extended runtime because we know that fire is being put out by a sprinkler versus a place that isn't being sprinkled. So what we've done is we've reduced our fire code currently, and there's a lot of different occupancy classes, like an assembly or a business or mercantile. We looked at all those, and we've reduced the square footage of those from a general idea of 15,000 square foot, which is in the fire code, to 5,000 square feet, which is in the municipal code. And this has been something, like I said, has been concurrent in the 25 years I've been here. Aside from that, we've made no other changes that we're recommending tonight to the fire code. We want to make it adopted as it is with just that one change. And again, that reduces the square footage of a business to have a sprinkler system from 15,000 square feet in the state code to 5,000 square feet here in the Super Valley. The reason we recommend adoption tonight is because it helps us effectively maintain our responsibilities to enforce that code. Um, in addition, uh, if we do not adopt tile 24, it can be very hard for us to, um, enforce California fire code because it puts us in a situation where we have to enforce it, but we can't force it. We haven't adopted it. So it's, it's necessary to adopt tile 24 for our, uh, prevention activities. Um, that's about it in a nutshell. I'm happy to take any questions on this. If you have any, I mean,

At this time, I declare the public hearing open. Is there anyone wishing to speak on the item from the public? Seeing none, is there anybody from the Zoom? From the public? Oh, how about for the council? Public hearing closed.

I just have one question. Chief, with the adoption, if we adopt the Title 24, will our firefighters receive the proper training or are they already up to date with this new change?

since we're not making any changes to the current municipal code, they're all trained on it, so that we all know that it's, like I said, the size of the business from 15,000 square feet to 5,000, we all know that, you know, if we're running into a fire that is more than 5,000 square feet, it's going to be sprinklers. We all know that already. We're not making any changes to that. Aside from that, they're There really isn't any additional training that needs to be done. However, I can tell you that when it comes to training, they've actually all been training with our prevention officer, Aubrey Wilhelms, and actually she did a heavy lift on this. I want to definitely give her props on this because that was a lot of work for her. We've been training on business inspections recently and making sure that we're getting out and doing business inspections. So we do a lot of prevention training. However, the fire code just allows us to adopt the state code.

Okay. Thank you for that one.

Thank you. Is there any other comment from council? With that said, I'll accept a motion.

I'll motion.

Motion and a second. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries unanimously. Item I, city staff, manager.

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. Just a few items. One, as it was mentioned earlier, this week, Monday, the City Attorney and myself attended a meeting with the seniors over at the mobile home part. Talk about their concerns over rent and things like that. Good meeting. Spent a little over an hour there with them. Um, we left it with everybody agreed that a 5% increase over five years, they're going to ask to have that put in their leases. Um, I received a verbal from the management there prior to the meeting that that was the intent. So I verbalized that and Cassandra, the manager has taken it to the property owners and should get back to us. I have not heard anything yet. I'll reach out again tomorrow. See if anything going to happen to overall good meeting. Um, When the city attorney was done, the seniors actually gave him a round of applause. So it went well. I was happy to see that. I also toured Council Member Melendez's district last week. Got a bunch of signs. So if I could just remind our residents that telephone poles and things like that are not for nailing and stapling private signs. So... We removed several of them on our tour, but just keep in mind that that's not there for advertisement. Helps keep our neighborhoods look cleaner. Then I also toured D.R. Horton with Councilmember Montelongo on a Tuesday, was it, or Monday? It was this week, but there's been some issues over there with street sweeping and whatnot. So several weeks ago, staff was directed to get a street sweeper going over there. It's just so turned out that the day we went to tour it was the day the street sweeper came and came back again the next day. So we're taking care of that over there. And then there was field meetings today with the railroad out in the field. I believe they spent two or two and a half hours in the sun. So Josh and Espy, thank you for sweating it out with us, but that's for the projects on the crossings on fifth and seventh. You've driven your car by there much. I mean, it's, it's like a Disney ride. You can really get bumping over that. So that project's moving forward, but it's still a ways out, but things are happening and it's still active. Um, And the other thing is, Mr. Rocha mentioned the signalization. So yesterday or the day before, there was emails that PG&E was going to be there on 8-21, which is tomorrow, to energize. And then they said they'd be there the week after to set the meters. So the project engineer for me, Mabian Horn, reached out again and said, We're on schedule to go to flash on Monday. Is there anything we can do? So the good news is PG&E came out today, put power to those poles and set meters. So we are on track to go flashing red on Monday. The other people that were there working, we're putting all the control loops in the ground loop wiring in the ground. So we control that intersection, but we are on track for turning those flashing reds on this Monday. Thank you.

Thank you. With item J, reports and matters initiated by city council members. The portion of this meeting is reserved for the mayor and council members. It's to make brief reports on boards, committees, and other public agencies and at public events to initiate new matters and to request updates and to initiate new agenda items. Under this section, the council may also take action on any items specifically agendized and which meet other requirements for action. Mayor Prokhtan.

I guess I can give an update since the last meeting as far as public events or any reports from boards or committees. Last week I attended League of Cities. We had one of our monthly type meetings where we invite all of our member cities within the division. We kind of do a little bit of networking and we had a presentation regarding gas taxes and proposals to implement some type of a mileage tax. on vehicles. This is just being discussed in the legislation of legislative bodies up in Sacramento. So it kind of gives us member cities an update. It kind of teaches us what they're thinking about up there. That way, if this does come to fruition, that we can take positions on such policies. So I know League of Cities is mentioned here a lot. you know, the National League of Cities that was spoken earlier. And I just really need to stress that that's the reason why I got involved with that organization is because it's such an amazing group of people who really do focus on communities and cities know having a voice in sacramento uh you know speaking up against local uh the taking away of local land use issue uh speaking up against unfounded unfunded mandates that come from sacramento so it's a really amazing organization there's a lot of good uh conventions and conferences And it's not only for council members, you know, there's a city manager branch of it, there's a public works branch of it, there's city clerk branch of it. So it's really an organization devoted to educating communities and city governments to have a voice in policies and a voice in Sacramento. And as far as the National League of Cities, that's just on a bigger scale. And, you know, at these conferences, we run into vendors and we network with our colleagues from other cities. We see what they're doing. I talk to people from Delano and Fireball, Kingsburg, just to kind of, you know, see what's going on, what's working in their community, what's not. It's a big, you know, learning experience and it's very, very valuable. And some of the things that we've brought back to our community in regards to what we've learned at the council, at those League of Cities meetings, not only has to do with homelessness and strategies to help combat that, but as I mentioned before, there's a lot of vendors there that talk about energy and how to have your community invest in solar farms and ways to save your community money. Even that pedestrian bridge that we have talked about that's on our 10-year capital improvement plan over the canal on Jensen Avenue, that happened to be a vendor that was at a League of Cities event. I walked by and talked to him and said, hey, what's this thing? Splash pads, all kinds of stuff come up from these conventions as far as learning the ins and outs. I think even that lawn mowing equipment that we bought last a couple of council meetings ago that goes up hills, and I think it's remote controlled, that vendor is at League of Cities, and he has the equipment right then and there. And not only do they kind of show you the equipment, they also explain, you know what, like on some of the electrical equipment that we talked about, electrical charging stations, they tell you, you know what, there may be government grants to help you pay for this stuff. So a lot of good stuff happens there. I'm sorry for going on my soapbox regarding the League of Californians, but it really is an organization I'm passionate about, and they do amazing things there. And as far as my updates, I think that's it. Thanks. Thank you. Council Member Hurtado.

Yes. Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to thank staff. I've been submitting some tickets of some issues that have came up and people calling me on those issues. So I want to thank staff for going out and taking care of that. There are some still in the pipeline that we're working on. But I also have noticed, and I think city manager, you mentioned at last meeting that there is a rise of more graffiti around town. So I just wanted to see if our police chief had any updates for us or if there's anything that they're currently working on. If not, so that we can meet and see what recommendations we can come up with to recommend to council. So I am going to be hopefully scheduling a meeting with you, police chief, if you don't mind. And then also I know the farmers, not the farmer's market, farmer's market has been mentioned as well from other constituents, but the trunk retreat too, that's kind of my favorite, one of my favorite activities of the year that we have. And I just wanted to get an update from you city manager, if there are any events coming up or what's the plan on those events.

Yeah. So Mark Morales did send me a date to reserve a spot for the trunk retreat. The Toyland Parade, and the Christmas Tree Lighting. So those are three dates that I've gotten from the Chamber that they plan on having events, and those are the only three to date I've received.

Other than that, nothing else to report. Thank you.

Thank you. Council Member Montelongo. Appreciate the city manager coming to go see a couple of things in my district. And we talked about a couple of things. What I'm going to mention, because I don't know if I needed a consent. When we talked about looking at Rosson Avenue and Magnolia, trying to see if we could put a four-way stop. There's plenty of traffic going on there. Going to Washtenaw Middle School. Of course, we have the football games. A lot of traffic. From 14th to Magnolia is a very big stretch. in that area and um average speed has been pretty big so i've been out for a time i met with residents out there several times and i brought something up a couple around a year ago and i so i asked city manager view go me look at things um but i don't know if i need a consensus to to look to go that direction or you guys are okay

So before we can put a four-way stop, we have to do a traffic study. So I believe the quote came in today for the other one we're doing. It's $3,500 roughly to do the traffic study. And we could probably find that in the budget.

Is that for Amadeo? Sorry. For the Amadeo and Fowler?

That one's already been... Yeah, that's when we already have we're planning that one. This is an additional one for Rawson and Magnolia. So I just need council consensus from council to do the study.

Nope. Sorry. Jumping in. It's not agendized. If you'd like to agendize it, that's fine. Otherwise, the city manager, if it's already in the budget, does have authority to proceed on his own. And if you want to privately talk to him as individuals, you certainly can. That'd be my suggestion. Thank you. All right.

I like that one. Um the other thing that they spoke about because it is a school zone is trying to look at speed bumps and I'll give the city manager to see the analysis. I'm not too fond of them, but I want to see you know, give them some answers and let them know since they're asking some questions regarding that it's the speed is the most concern so. Chief is probably hearing me and saying okay I think i'm gonna add some people go out there. it's also concerned on Greenwood avenue from cherry tonight, that is a big big thing I know a long time ago they increase the speed by 30, but when you go there and people are people are flying. You're talking about signs and how you went with the council member? There are signs everywhere when it comes to solar, all over our right-of-way. I don't know, like within three days, they're everywhere, downtown, on Greenwood, on Academy, on Jensen. I mean, it's whoever, we just probably got to pull one, call that company and say, take them off. You know, they're everywhere. I think you guys all saw them. So when she mentioned signs, you know, I'm looking like, boom, they all showed up and they're bright. I went and actually went to see the MMA fights that they put together in the Valdez Hall in Fresno. And that is our MMA off of Academy. They did a fantastic job. They're really, really going big. And Sanger's name is coming up a lot because of them. And so I just wanted to make a shout out to them. They did a great job and doing a lot of things. We have a lot of not just students or kids, but adults that are in there that from Sanger and they're fighting and they're doing great. And I appreciate the program. I thought you needed to say something.

I was just going to say that. Doc Goggins over there fights with that fight glove. He's pretty good. Don't mess with him. He just looks easy.

And the last thing, I just want to thank the police department. Thank you, Chief. The first day of school. You guys were really out in force. I know you guys were giving tickets as well. And also letting people know what they need to do to abide by the law. And I had several phone calls from different schools. So thank you so much. It really made an impact for the different schools and everything like that. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

Thank you.

Council Member Melendez.

Tickets did we give out? Oh, can we get a total next council meeting? I would like to know. I want to thank city manager for going with me. We did find a lot of signs that I had been talking about, not just recently. I think he hears it from me every week. There's a sign here. There's a sign there. Hey, there's still a sign up. um it's not just about the signage i do i try to do it quarterly with him i'll go around district one and we'll find graffiti violations we'll find lots that haven't been trimmed down um we found free graffiti in the alleys we found What else did we find? We found graffiti, street signs. Yeah, the bridge. We found trailers that were not properly maintained or they shouldn't be where they're parked. So that way they can update with our ordinance that we put in place. So we did find a lot of violations. That was a very productive evening for us. And we're going to do it again. Like I said, I usually try to go with him every three months quarterly. or when I get a bunch of phone calls and I want to address those issues. I also want to say I did attend the League of Cal Cities with along with Mayor Pro Temp, and it was a very productive meeting. These meetings are very important. They do bring a lot of feedback from different surrounding communities, and you do meet a lot of the elected officials and other issues, and we have the opportunity to meet them and let them know, hey, this is what I'm doing here in Sanger. How do you address this issue in your city? And I think they're very positive, and I'm very glad that Doug wants to attend one of them. And I think it's gonna be very productive for him. And hopefully you guys are able to bring that information back to us because with all these budget cuts and grants and all this funding that we're not able to get from Sacramento, we need to find ways to find that money and find those resources and have those connections with the other cities and other members at the national level. So we need to put our name out there. Sanger needs to be out there and people need to know who we are. It's very important for us.

um other than that that's all i have thank you thank you and uh i just have a couple of things to you at the um at our center boxing do we have do we have any pictures of our old boxers up there i don't remember seeing any i don't know i don't think so that's maybe something we could look at we'll get with mr vera he probably has some really good ones um And the chamber was brought up. And the accusations that fly is kind of amazing to me. And the ad hoc committee wasn't to the Chamber of Commerce. It was an ad hoc committee for the council to the city manager so that he wouldn't have to come back to the council after every two weeks. We could take action then and there. But I guess there was never any meeting. um yeah the measure r thing she said she couldn't find on the on our website uh we'll have to we'll just look at the address that eclipse gonna look at it okay it should be there still okay and um the note the notebook thing kevin carter i think that was that's a pretty good idea but it's still going to take an entire city you know we only have a certain amount of employees but with the with the might of over 26 000 people looking and and reporting that that goes a long way too that's what that's what a community does you know you you see something you say something and that's how it gets it done all right with that said uh nobody you know further business this meeting is adjourned at 7 35.