City Council - Regular Meeting

K. The, 04/02/2026 regular meeting of the Sanger City Council is called to order at 06:03PM under Brown Act government code section five four nine five three c two, the legislative body of a local agency shall publicly report any action taken and the vote or abstention on that action of each member present for the action. There'll

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a opening ceremony. The invocation will be done by pastor Paul Kennedy. I'll lead the flag salute, and then we'll have a roll call. Please stand.

Let's pray. Heavenly father, we thank you for today. Lord, and especially during this holy week, Lord, we remember your sacrifice for us, Lord. And, Lord, tonight, remember that you washed your disciples' feet, that ultimate act of of service before going to the cross. Lord, we ask for your blessing upon tonight's meeting that everyone would feel heard and understood, Lord, and that we ask for your blessing upon our first responders and all those who serve our city. We pray in Jesus' name. Amen.

Ready? So we're I pledge allegiance to the flag

of The United States Of America to do the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

roll call.

Mayor Gonzales?

Here.

Mayor Pro Tem Martinez? Council member Hurtado? Here. Council member Montelongo? Here. Council member Melendez?

Item c agenda approval additions and or deletions. I'll accept the motion.

I'll make a motion to accept.

We have a motion to second. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed. Hearing none, that motion carries. Four to zero, one being absent. Item d, presentation for, Mid Valley annual update.

Excuse me. Good evening. Honorable mayor, council members, city staff, Isaac Kulikov, Mid Valley disposal. I wanted to take a minute to just introduce myself. I'm the district manager for operations. For those of you that haven't met me, spoken with a couple of you, met a couple of you. Tonight, we're gonna be doing a presentation on annual cleanup events, s b thirteen eighty three, things like that. Billy is gonna be providing that, and plus we've got some scholarship awards to hand out. But just wanted to say hello. Thanks for having us here. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you, Isaac.

Well, thank you. Thank you, Isaac. We've got quite a team here tonight. We've, I wanna I wanna just shout everybody who's here tonight. So we have Robert. He's route supervisor. Got Casey here, government affairs. We've got miss Natalie and miss Tatiana Kappelkoff here tonight. And we've got Emily. She's our, marketing and design gal as well. So we've got everyone here tonight.

Welcome, everybody. Thank you for coming.

Yes. Thank you. And we are going to be sharing your 2026 update, which is really, like, a 2025 recap. So this is gonna cover everything that we did last year in the city, starting off with community events. Only three events last year with the the Blossom Fest, the Trail Run, and National Night Out. I did speak with Isaac today or Isaiah with the chamber. So we're gonna collaborate on getting involved with more events this year, so we're really excited about that. So we have a meeting coming up. Next, I just wanna share about education and outreach. We had a big year last year.

We rolled out the entire city to be compliant with SB thirteen eighty three. The recycling coordinator, Jesse, completed all of his required site visits. So that means he's going in person to your commercial businesses, your multi families, and he's looking at their waste and deciding what kind of outreach or technical assistance they need and working with the business owners and the property managers. We did a lot of waivers, so we wanted to make sure that anybody who didn't need a certain service as a commercial business had the opportunity to get a waiver for that service. So we worked with 86 businesses and got those those businesses waived last year.

And we're still working on those. We're still collecting those as they come up. We distributed over 20,000 flyers to the community through one on one handing off a flyer, email, direct mail, and even using some billing inserts. And your food generators, so your large tier one and tier twos, those were all identified, and those were all educated and inspected. As you guys are part of Fresno County MOU, those were done on behalf of, SCS engineers, which is, they were a con they were contracted to do that work for us under the county.

So that was taken care of for you guys. A bit of a cal recycle update. So what we know right now, with SB1383, we've always known that at some point, they're going to inspect the city's programs, and inspect the records, that go along with those programs. Now we do know that that inspection branch of CowRecycle is currently in Merced County, and they're expecting inspecting jurisdictions out there. And we have been notified by our CowRecycle assistance liaison that they will be coming to Fresno County next, and we were notified that they that Sanger's on that list.

But I don't want you guys to worry because you're fully compliant. I've been working with, SB and Raymond and Schaefer, and all your records are fully ready to go and ready for inspection, and we actually have a, a run through inspection, if you will, with the assistance branch just to make sure we're ready to go. So that's coming up soon too. I wanna share with you guys about route review. So this is a program that SB thirteen eighty three required.

We've always looked for contamination in carts. Right? If a driver sees something, he'll tag it for education purposes. CowRecycle just asked that we do, like, a a prescribed study, if you will. So, last year, we looked if you look at the the green cart, we looked at a total of 366 green carts. Out of those, only 10 of them had contamination in them. And for the recycle, we looked at a total of 390 recycle containers, only 32 of them were contaminated. And out of 389 trash containers, only three of those, had contamination in them. So great for your route reviews last year. And then on the bottom, we also do good job tags.

So while the recycling coordinator is out there, if they come across a home where the person is doing a really great job, no contamination, they're recycling their food waste, we leave a good job tag on their cart to recognize them, and it's also used as a voucher to get a food waste collection pail. We just deliver it right to their door with goodies inside. So we had 11 of those, which is great. Your cleanup events last year. In the fall, we had 726 vehicles, but the numbers you see on the screen is a combination for your fall and your spring last year.

So we collected over 320,000 pounds of trash, 12,620 pounds of electronic waste, 77,080 pounds of metal, a 174,500 pounds of organics, 16,780 pounds of tires, and we collected 325 mattresses. So that's impressive. That's all of the ways that we can keep off of the sides of the roads and alleys. So it's you know, we love offering that to the residents here twice a year. We have your Jensen Avenue cleanup coming up soon.

I believe it's next weekend on the eleventh. And then your spring cleanup is also coming up this month on the twenty fifth, 7AM to 2PM at 333 North Avenue. So we hope to see some of you guys out there. If you haven't come to a cleanup event before, it's a great time. Next to share your recycler of the year, Chuck Wagon was the recipient this year, so we're excited about that.

She's a staple in the community. Unfortunately, the owner was not able to make it tonight. He's out of town, but we look forward to recognizing him at the business awards that's coming up later in the year. This year, it's in June, I believe. So we'll be there, and we'll recognize him again there. But in the photo, see Jesse and, I believe, Matt. So we're we're just excited to be able to recognize them this year. And lastly, we wanna share with you your scholarship winners. This is the Mid Valley Disposal Scholarship. We offer it at both Sanger High and Sanger West every year.

This year, we had over 20 applicants, and I'll tell you that it is a hard decision. These kids in Sanger are smart. They have amazing grades. They are so active in all of their clubs and in the communities. It's really, really hard to choose. But tonight, we have our Sanger High recipient, Brooke Barrett. If you can you can come up if you want. And our Sanger West recipient, Maya Potter. And I'd like to give them the opportunity to share with you what they wanna do, maybe what college they're going to, and, then I'll give you all a chance to say anything you'd like to them.

Thank you.

Good evening. Thank you for having me here today. First, I would like to thank Mid Valley Disposal for awarding me this scholarship. I greatly appreciate your guys' generosity. Looking into my future a little bit, I was accepted into eight different universities.

I'm currently leaning towards attendance at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo because I got into their general business program. In terms of a career, I'm not set in stone of exactly where I want to go into and venture into, but one career that I'm very interested in is being a project manager in agriculture because I want to be able to bridge the gap between the agriculture industry and what we do here in Sanger as a farming community and also just networking and connecting businesses, which is something that I'm passionate about because I've had the opportunity through different extracurriculars, one of them being FFA, that I saw the value of that in making connections. And so that's kind of what I'm leaning towards and what I'm looking into in the future.

Good for you. That's awesome.

And then hi. I also wanted to say, thank you to MidValley Disposal for the generous scholarship. This fall, I'm gonna be attending Stanford University to major in mechanical engineering. And I'm really, really super excited about taking my passion with problem solving and mechanical design into real world problems and real world scenarios and just being able to give back to my community as much as possible. A lot of those passions were actually forged in Sanger on the robotics team, so I'm really excited to be able to take that mechanical design and then turn it into, a mechanical engineering degree.

Well, thank you. Very impressive. Yeah. We're getting well, you know what? I could see what you mean by, very smart. I think when I was your age, I was just hoping to graduate. But but real but, really, I mean, I'm really impressed. I know we we I I, helped you guys hand out scholarships in the past and, you know, seeing, like, aerospace engineers coming through and and, you know, you and that you guys are just awesome, and congratulations. And I wish you the

best in the future. Good job. Council member Ricardo.

Also, I also see the bright future ahead of both of you wonderful ladies. Congratulations, and I wish you the best in in your future endeavors. And, I know that you guys will do great things out in the world, and, you know, that is testament to the scholarship you guys have earned and the hard work you've dedicated yourselves throughout your, you know, your your careers at the you know, through grade school and looking forward to what the future holds. And happy that you guys are also thinking about helping our, small community and, like Sanger. So appreciate that a lot. Congratulations.

Much better.

To both of you. It's a very big accomplishment. Brooke, I'm excited for you. I see her every day, because I work at Sanger High School and in the ag area, and I'm there pretty early, and she's there extremely early, you know, working on the farm and and just being there for all of our students. She's a great leader. And, I know I can't talk too much about you from West, but, you know, great job, and I'm really excited for what, you're gonna be doing. And same with you, and I'm thank you for Mid Valley for, you know, investing in our kids here in Sanger. Thank you.

That's wonderful. I just wanna

say I'm extremely proud of you guys. I know it's really hard, to wanna leave your hometown and go to college, but I do wish you the best, and I hope you guys do come back and are able to serve our community. Great job.

Thank you, and thank you, Mid Valley. You brought brought the whole family. I love it. You know what? I've, when I first was elected mayor back in 2016, I think, Casey was the first person I met, and and, she, you know, made me feel at home, being a new mayor. And then, you know, from now on, you know, you guys are you guys are members of our community for sure here in the city of Sanger, and welcome back anytime. Thank you, Mid Valley.

Hey, Trish?

Sure. Do you want me in it?

Of course we do.

Of course we do.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Good to see you guys. Okay.

Okay. We'll move on to item e, public form. This portion of the meeting is reserved for members of the public who wish to address council on any matter not listed on the agenda and within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city council. Each speaker is limited to three minutes. Speakers shall address all comments to the mayor and the council as a body and not to any particular council member or member of the staff. Speakers are asked but not required to state their name and address. The council is prohibited by law from taking any actions on items not on the agenda. The public forum is open. If you wish to speak, please come to the podium.

Hello. I'm Jacob with Set Free Sanger. I just wanna give you guys an update. The first Thursday of every month, we have our homeless initiative meeting at our church, and we address the problem. What is homelessness? Why do we have it? What are the issues? Is it enabling or helping? What are the solutions? What are the holes that's in the systems? And how can we help our community? And so, since our last one, we have made a commitment to go to Singer Park every week. We've gone a couple times a week. At the park, we have noticed there's a light that's out in the awning where the tables are. And so every time we go, I don't know if we're allowed to.

Is brown bagging beer legal at our parks? Yeah. We got brown baggers. You got people smoking weed. You got a lot of illegal stuff going on. We've been consistent about going out there, and we told them, hey. You know, this is gonna come to an end. You gotta find a spot to go. There's multiple programs. Which one do you want? We'll give you a ride. And they're like, oh, they've tried this before. You know, they're not gonna do nothing to us. And so it's not just set free that could do it. It takes the city, the police department.

It takes other churches. It takes a whole community to go and to we're not just trying to push them out, but we're trying to push them, you know, let them know that this is not allowed here. It's not gonna take place at our parks, especially coming into our town. That's, like, the main spot, and it is the worst park in town. And so I really would like to collaborate. You guys all have my number. If you don't, look up Seppri Singer. We could do something and be efficient, consistent, and get it done because they don't stop. You know? They're smoking dope.

They're smoking fentanyl right there. It is happening at our park. And so unless we do something and are consistent about it, they're gonna keep doing it. And then another thing I wanna just speak about too is that property that's on North in between, North and and Cherry. I know r I hope there's a we're gonna have something on the agenda one day about that, those apartments that are coming in there.

Because if it is RH Builders, we really need to know what's going on. Because if we do not know what's going on, they are gonna be bringing because there's a lot of homeless that are in Fresno that are in these transitional housing where they don't care if they use. They're just trying to put them somewhere because they get money. And then when they are trying to place them into a motel or to an apartment, they're gonna be sending them to Sanger. So do we want all these homeless coming to Sanger?

I hope we could do something about it. The twenty third of this month, we are having another outreach where we're gonna go talk to the homeless, and I'm inviting any of you guys, 08:00, Jeffrey Church, anybody that's running for mayor, if you wanna see what's going on in our town, come and be a part of our homeless outreach that we have coming up. Let me just double check. But I believe it is the twenty third, 08:00. Jeffrey Sanger. Let's get out there and do something. Thank you.

Thank 8AM PM.

Yeah. AM. Thank you.

My name

is Kevin Carter. I'm gonna recap the last couple meetings for us because I find it interesting. It seems like a lot of times the narrative changes depending what the conversation or the situation is. Two meetings ago, I asked about what the council people thought about the real future relationship between the city and the chamber. And I got a very eloquent response about contracts, how important contracts was.

It's important that we follow contracts, and we live up to our contracts. Can't argue with any of that. So the last meeting, I brought up the fact that when this contract was presented on the agenda, that it talked about the Veterans Day parade. And I don't believe the Veterans Day parade is on the contract where the chamber was required to put that on. I could be wrong. If I am wrong, I wish somebody'd notify me and tell me, but

I

don't think that they were required on their contract to do that. And that night, I heard from the dais a real nice speak or speech about timelines. We heard all about the timeline leading up to the parade. The the chamber had put out different things on the Internet announcing they were gonna have this parade. Then at the last minute, they canceled it. All this is true. I wanna deny that. But my point is, are we gonna follow the contracts, or are we gonna change the narrative to fit the situation? We're gonna follow the contract. This timeline, to me, is basically irrelevant because I don't believe they're required in their contract to put on this parade.

So I guess the bottom line of all this is we need to follow the contract. We need to determine what the contract does or doesn't say legally. And the chamber, I admit, they've had some missteps. They've done some things that were wrong, but we don't need to throw any unnecessary dirt on them. Thank you. Thank you.

Is there any other public comment? Seeing none, public comment is closed. We'll move on to item c I mean, item f. Sorry about that. Consent calendar matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine. It will be enacted by one motion and one vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items. If discussion is desired, a member of the audience or council member may request an item be removed from the consent calendar, and it will be considered separately. Council members, do you have anything? We'll go to the public.

Public, do you have anything you'd like to pull from the consent calendar? Seeing none, the public comment is closed. In regards to item f, the consent calendar, do I have a motion to approve?

A motion.

We have a motion?

I'll second. A motion

and a second. All in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries four to zero, one being absent. Item g, department reports, item g one.

So good evening, mayor and council members. Miss Champion is on vacation today, so I'll be filling in. So during our negotiations with the bargaining units, the POA was still paying their or paying 3.56% of the cost of their PERS of the city's typical responsibility. So the negotiation therefore, we're the city is gonna start taking over that 3.56, and you retroactively had, given them the 3.56 payback to the date it was signed to June 1. And then this is the follow-up.

We have to go through CalPERS and get the contract changed. So this is the first reading tonight. We'll have a second reading at the next meeting. And then once we get confirmation and signatures from PERS thirty days after that, it'll it'll become factual. So this is just the this is a continuation of our negotiation with the POA and getting getting our contract with PERS of mine with what we agreed upon with the group. Is there any questions?

Thank you. Do you have any questions, councilmember Hurtado? No. Council member Matalongo? No. Council member Belindez? Thank you. And in regards to item g one, is there any public comment in regards to item g one? Seeing no public comment. Public comment is closed for item g one. So in regards to item g one, council, do I have a motion to approve?

A motion.

We have a motion?

So. We have a motion in the second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries four to zero, one being absent. Item g two.

Good evening again, mayor and council members. So up to present this will be chief Chirasco.

You, mayor and council. Tonight before you is a recommendation to adopt resolution twenty twenty six dash 26, formally adopting the updated Fresno County multi jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan and amending the safety element of the city's general plan to incorporate same by reference. This is a an, measure that we had to take in reference to disaster mitigation act of 2000 by implementing these reg and and implementing regulations associated with that to, that requires cities to adopt a local hazard mitigation plan and counties to be to be prepared for a disaster that could, that can occur to our city and guide those efforts in the disaster mitigation process. We approving of this plan, the local hazard mitigation plan incorporating to the safety element of the general plan is, is required by, by federal law. The way that it works is that we, we look at the purpose of hazard mitigation is to reduce the long term risk associated with hazards in the that could, befall the city.

We, studied it in 2024 again. It's been we do it by every ten years with the county. Twenty twenty four, we started that process, and FEMA approved it in 2025. We did, attend a series of meetings in the county, with county staff. County actually took this on, as part of their plan, because they incorporate every city by annex within the county, and we're listed as annex k in their plan.

We, looked at our risk assessment in our city, conducted those those assessments, looked at, potential hazards that we have with our city, and looked at our vulnerability to those hazards. For example, there's about 20 different hazards that we list, in the city. And while, volcano likely will not happen in the city, we still have to list it. However, we are very prone to flooding. That could very well happen in the city. For example, if Pine Flat, dam were to break, we would significantly be impacted by that. And so there are significant, events that we could, have in the city. We did take a look at those, and we did implement those into this, this plan. Our section, again, like I said, is, section k in within the Fresno County, hazard mitigation plan. It's a very long document.

It could be accessed online if anybody would like to read that. It's about 1,500 pages long. And like I said, in this, annex for the city of Sanger, it's general details about the city, specific data review, identified hazards, and mitigation capabilities. We did run this by the planning commission. They did approve it, and recommend that it be incorporated into the safety element of our general plan. Right now, there's really no alternative options. We do need to get this approved so we can, report to the county that we did get it approved, and they can, seal their whole plan entirely and present to FEMA. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you, chief. Council member Hurtado. Council member no questions. We're Melinda's, I think. We'll go to the public. Is there any public comment in regards to item g two? Seeing no public comment. Public comment is closed. Still not in regards to item g two, we'll come back to the council. I'll accept the motion. I have motion. And a second, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Hearing none, that motion carries four to zero, one b and s. We'll go on to item h, city manager.

Good evening again. So just a few announcements. So we're gonna be doing a budget roundtable in this room on April 23 from six to 8PM. If you're interested in attending that, please reach out to the city clerk. She gets you on the list for that.

Presenters will be myself and Virginia Harmon from finance. City of Sanger, again, free shred day, April 11 from eight to twelve. That's right here in the City Hall parking lot, and that's available to Sanger residents and businesses. The household hazardous waste drop off event for Sanger and county residents is Saturday, April 18 from eight to twelve at the corporate yard, which was already mentioned earlier. And then we have another Sanger cleanup, and this is for Sanger residents only, and they'll be accepting furniture, appliances, metal wood, e waste, green waste, general trash, mattresses.

Tires are accepted. You only get four tires per resident, and then there's a $7 fee per tire after four. But, again, that is on April 25 from seven to two out at the 333 North, which is our wastewater plant. So a lot of lot of good things happening within the community. And I said, I wish everybody a a safe Easter weekend this weekend, and hopefully your kids find the egg with the the dollar bills in it.

And Okay.

And just remember the the the reason for the season this time. It's not Christmas, but pretty awesome day in the history of of the the life of our lord and savior. So and and and us. So just keep that in mind. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. We want

to itemize reports and matters initiated by city council members. This portion of the meeting is reserved for for the mayor and council members to make brief reports on boards, committees, and other public, agencies and at public events to initiate new matters and to request updates and to initiate new agenda items. Under this section, the council may also take action on any items specifically agendized and which meet other requirements for action. Council member Ricardo.

I have nothing to report. I just wanna wish everybody a happy Easter, and, hopefully, everybody has a great time with the loved ones this weekend, and be safe. Thank you.

Thank you. Just wanna say thanks to staff for meeting with me on last this past Monday or last Monday and then also last Thursday. Went to a couple of the parks in my district and talked about some things, and then I went to our wastewater treatment plant. What a difference from two years ago when I first went and how it was looking and how the issues were till now. Like I put in my post, there's still work to be done, but I wanna thank all of our staff involved with public works, city manager, and all that have been doing a great job out there and our subcontractors.

It's for the community, and, I I think it's it's looking really good. And I'm pleased to see that the outcome is a lot better than it was before, so appreciate that. I did meet again, with some people at Greenwood Park. They're willing and talking about doing again a hockey, program, and I did speak to our director and everything. So they wanna do that with with junior high and high school kids as well as adults as well.

So they're gonna keep meeting, keep doing things, and we'll see if it really ticks off in the city. Years ago, we had that, and it was a very good program for both the adults and for youth. So we'll see if it takes off, here as well. And I'll continue to meet with them and see how we could progress with the program. Wanna address the gentleman that just came out. He is correct. It was not on their, contract of the chamber. I did mention that in my speech, though, and I appreciate that you like what I had to say. It is not. But, again, like, I will say again, you know, once you put it out and you're saying you're gonna do something, then you follow through.

So that's the reason why I say what I said, and I still stand by it. Other than that, have a happy Easter. It is a special time in place in our history, with our lord and savior, And it was a time where he himself was, put to death, but for our sins and not for anybody else's. And because of him, we're here today, and we could actually celebrate the risen king, and that is gonna be Sunday. And I appreciate everything that God has done to my life, especially giving me a second life when I was, in the hospital.

And it's because of him and him alone that I believe that he is our lord and savior, and he will once again come back. So have a great Easter and, with your family and your churches and your friends. Thank you, mister mayor.

Councilmember Melendez.

I wanna say thank you to Nathan and city staff. I did get an upgrade on JFK Park, so they went out there and cleaned up, and I really do appreciate staff working on this as fast as you guys did. I did wanna address, pastor Jacob's comment. We can have our chief complete work especially with, set free this weekend, especially because it is Easter weekend, so we want that park queen ready for families to come, not just that park, all parks. And I just wanna say happy Easter to everybody, and stay safe out there.

Thank you. Thank you. And, yeah, pastor Jake, thank thank you very much. We'll get the word out. And like you said, you know, it takes a community. It's not gonna be just one group of people. It's gonna be all of us have to pitch in and, get this done, and then I'll try to get the word out as much as I can about the twenty third outreach and the, first Thursday of every mall. That one already passed, but we'll, we'll look at that a little bit further. And then, the North And Cherry, RH Builders, I'm not sure exactly where we're even at with that. I think it just might just be talk right now.

But, yeah, we'll keep we'll keep the public up to date. And, just one one other quick thing. I did I did return from from Washington DC for the Fresno County 1 Voice, trip, and we did see multiple agencies. And I was there on behalf of, the city of Sanger as your mayor. We did talk a lot about the basics act and it it's basically taking over the build act.

It's bridges and safety infrastructure for Community Success Act, HR seventy four thirty seven. And, basically, what we were there, advocating for is for the the legislators there to to pass this act. Basically, it's gonna streamline the funding, mechanisms for cities. So instead of all the money going to the state and then the state gets it and then they kinda deal it out to the counties and then the counties get it, then they they kinda deal it out to who they think that that, you know, deserves it. You know, we're we're looking at trying to trying to get direct direct funds.

It's it's a it's a stretch, but you know what? We were there trying trying to, trying to get, get the funds so that our projects could be delivered on time. And, you know, the and because who knows what projects are needed better than the cities themselves. Basically, it'll be a predictable funding, so it'll be coming, like, every year. And we we went and met with with congressmen Fong, Costa, and McClintock, and then also senators Schiff and Padilla.

And we went to go advocate for this. And, again, I was there to represent the city of Sanger as your as your mayor, and, I actually had to chair a couple of the meetings because the actual chair the chairperson that was that was leading these meetings had to leave. So so I took over in her stead. But, also, we we went and, let's see. Who else did we meet with?

Oh, we did we did go and advocate for the Fresno Yosemite International Airport. A couple of big regional probe, projects on that was the resurfacing of the runway. And, you know, it's it's old, and it gets beat up. And as a former aircraft mechanic, I could tell you that that a damaged, damaged runway will not only damage aircraft, but it could cause what is called a catastrophic damage, and that means a loss of lives. So so we were there to, advocate for, resurfacing the the the runway and also revamping the, the tower.

The control tower was built, I think it was before I was born, like, 1963, and, it it really hasn't been touched since. And, you know, it was a kind of a joke that that if you took that tower, it could be in the Smithsonian as some kind of freaking, you know, a place that people could go look and see what past technology was. And I even heard that there's still vacuum tubes in there for some of those, for some of that equipment. It's probably a lie, but that's what we still told them. But, anyway, well, again, like everybody said, have a happy Easter.

Everybody go enjoy the family, and and don't forget, you know, be dying on the cross for us. And, thank you all very much. With no other further further, actions, this meeting is adjourned at 06:43.