Comprehensive Plan Oversight Committee - Regular Meeting

HAB-Jacques Juilland, will officially call it to order at 602. HAB-Jacques Juilland, And this is my first meeting as chair so. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Let's never find this thing. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Procedures. HAB-Jacques Juilland, So roll call. HAB-Jacques Juilland, That is you. HAB-Charlotte Pitts, Here.

HAB-Charlotte Pitts, Here. HAB-Charlotte Pitts, Oh.

I saw him say something, I didn't hear him.

Here, can you hear me?

One more time for us, Cody.

Can you hear me?

Thank you.

I'm here.

Robert Eby?

Here.

Cody Lansley?

Here.

Alison Pruitt? Here. Sarah Simpson is absent. And we have a throw.

All right. So moving on to the citizen comment period. Each speaker will be provided up to three minutes to speak. Persons wishing to participate during the citizen comment portion of the meeting virtually must email planninginfo at sanmarcostx.gov prior to the end of the day of the meeting. A call-in number or link will be provided for participation. Written comments can also be submitted to planninginfo at sanmarcostx.gov for distribution to the board prior to the meeting. Those wishing to speak in person may sign up in person on the day of the meeting. Each speaker signed up prior to the meeting being called to order will be called in the order in which they signed up. Do we have any speakers?

We do not.

Okay. Cool. All right. So moving to the next item, consider approval by motion, the regular meeting minutes for the Conference Plan Oversight Committee on May 4th, 2026. Second. Motion by Gabby Moore, second by Lisa Pruitt.

I don't know what I'm supposed to say this. So I do apologize if this is the incorrect time. We do have two amendments to the minutes, just minor typos. Under the citizen comment period, it was chair Robert Eby instead of vice chair who opened and closed the citizen comment period. And then at the very end of the meeting under the question and answer session with the press and public, it was again, chair Robert Eby who opened. and close the citizen comment period instead of Sarah Simpson. And so those would be two edits that would be made to the minutes.

Just the two minutes. And I second those. Any discussion? All right.

While I say we have a roll call vote, so you'll always hear me do a roll call vote, that's just the way it goes. So starting over here, Lisa Pruitt. Aye. Cody Lentilby. Aye. Cody Salvo.

Yes.

Robert Eby.

Aye.

Gabrielle Moore. Yes. And motion passes.

We do have Sarah Simpson. 6-0-6.

Okay, Sarah. Yeah.

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Also, I don't know who's our planning manager and don't leave you on that.

Yeah, thank you. And thank you for going over the belt and the code updates with us.

Yeah, first. So again, I am very excited to provide an update to the online development code and environmental amendments. This was recently adopted by city council on June 16. Uh, we started working on this code in the summer of 2025. And so we are extremely excited to get it across the finish line. Um, so some of y'all may know, but what is the line development code? So line development code is a set of rules that guides how development happens. And it's a key tool to put the final into action. It includes a wide variety of topics, such as line uses, subdivisions, setbacks, parking. landscaping infrastructure, and so that's the land development code. The design manual provides additional standards. And so we have guidelines for landscaping, historical preservation, street design manual, and planting guidelines. So how did we get all of these amendments? And so first things first is public comments. These comments came from citizens, developers who are actively working on a case or permit within the city of St. Mark's. They might have asked a question or they might have been like, hey, why is this happening? It doesn't make sense. And so we were like, hey, we need to look at that code and needed some clarification on that land development code. Open house and public meeting feedback. So this is, we've held numerous meetings throughout the process and provided an opportunity for the public to provide input City Council and P&Z Commission collaboration. And so we've had multiple joint committee meetings between City Council and P&Z and public meetings where additional input on the amendments were provided. Comprehensive plan. When Vision S&TX was adopted in late 2024, we needed to update the land development code to follow. And I'll talk a little bit more about the specific ones that come from the comprehensive plan. State law compliance. The 89 state legislation passed numerous laws on September 1, 2025, so there are a handful of edits that we have to do in order to comply with what the 89 state legislation passed. Input from historical preservation, we did recently

That's a good question. Yeah. Are you going to review those changes that they were automatically adopted due to that?

I'm going to be today talking about the comprehensive planning board. Okay. But there is a summary guide that we did publish. In here? Yes. Okay, cool. And that's going to talk about different topics. And I'll actually go over the summary guide as well.

Yeah, if you could just like say this is what you're looking for. Yeah. I can read through the tip.

Yeah. Okay. So historical preservation and recently adopted historical preservation plan that will provide additional amendments in the future. City staff or expert analysis provided input to the amendments again this is coming from issues that we've seen, and so we didn't provide some amendments and then there's a development survey that were conducted last year to provide another opportunity on our code and process. And so, as mentioned, we started this in August of 2025, and we ended up with 280 new total edits. We did have sort of throughout the process, five key categories. Compliance with state law, as mentioned, process improvements. Some of these were minor change. We did add like one or two new process, the development overlay, regulating plan was one of them. Clarification, those were sort of, again, making sense of the development. It wasn't really clear. And so we wanted to make sure that we added some extra words, something we hadn't misspelling. And so that was the clarification. And then others, it's the joint committee meetings between city council and PMC. Code amendments aren't new to the city of San Marcos. We have done them pretty much almost every year, every other year. The last major code that we have is from 2018, is code S and TX. and then we've done some sort of minor code amendments throughout. And so I do anticipate with the 90th legislation starting this year and ending next year, we would be probably up for another round to sort of be in compliance with state law. Speaking of that summary guide, we did create a summary guide that is in your packet and You can explore all the different amendments by each chapter of the land development code. You can look at the amendments in the design manual that I said earlier. We do have key topics in that summary guide. Compliance with state law. There's about 20 something edits in there. The comprehensive plan, which I'll go over. And then historical preservation as well. You can view the process of the code. We've had numerous meetings. And you can also view the website that contains all of the draft edits from Council, the message board from Council, and then you can view our official adopted document. So, as mentioned, the Development Code serves as one of the tools to implement the comprehensive plan. Again, this did not capture everything. We're going to continue to analyze The land development code, we're going to continue to analyze the comprehensive plan. So just know that there will be future amendments to the land development code based on the comprehensive plan.

But isn't the land development code created to for in reflection of the comprehensive master plan, like the comprehensive master plan kind of gives you the guide and the land development code actually puts it into action?

One of the tools.

It just sounded like it was a different way around just now, the way you said it, but maybe not.

Complan high-level development code is like our, especially our department's biggest toolbook for actually implementing.

I hear you. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Okay. I gotcha.

So I, what I did was I created a table to understand the different action items and statements and topics and then what we change. Again, the summary guide does have a little bit more information. So I'm just kind of going through them quickly, but We did talk about, especially in this environment on resource protection. So we added language to promote healthy new and existing trees associated with new development. And that was to follow the enforcement of preservation of trees and native habits. Another environmental that we did was to incorporate greenways and trail systems within the new development. And we did update the requirements for greenway installation along public driveway. So now we require trees along a certain type of street. Moving on to housing and neighborhood, some of these do overlap, so I'll try my best to let you know. But for housing, for HN 2.2 and HN 2.3, again, encourage you to consider incentivizing diverse housing types and support multiple diverse housing types. What we did was we did a couple of things, actually. So we amended the planning area zone district to make it more viable and attractive to promote and have diverse housing types. And so that is one of our districts we did amend that. We added a new tool, which is a development overlay regulating plan. And again, this is to encourage a mixture of housing types. We updated the land use matrix to allow more building types and land uses, especially ones in New York district 3.2 and character district 2.5. And then we did modify maximum lot weight standards for zoning district to encourage small scale housing. These four are sort of like one of the main edits. They're going to see them kind of overlap. Moving on to different ones, HN 3.1 is to implement transition zoning buffers. And so we did talk about how development overlay regular plan, you can include these additional buffers within that tool that we created. HN 4.1 is considered encouraged in all neighbor centers identified to allow for multiple diverse housing types. And again, it was a four that I just went over.

And just really quick, I wanted to add on the development overlay regulating plan. We think we talked briefly about this at our last meeting, but it's meant to be an overlay that can go on top of zoning. So it can be requested by a property owner. They can say, I'd like to do this overlay regulating plan. in order to implement buffers or to implement various things, or as staff, as we were seeing a zoning change or something come online, we can say, Hey, you've got some type of sensitive context next to you would like to add in a buffer next to this Creek or next to whatnot. So it is both a tool that can be proposed by a property owner who's zoning, or we can suggest it. It can also be something that, you know, at the council or PNC level, if they, you know, If they feel like it's something that they want to add, they can also do that. So it's intended to be a way to just give another tool at the table instead of just go zone to this, but to create some type of way to deviate certain standards. We talked about the last meeting. It's not a big PDD. It's not that you're opening up everything into one large negotiated document. It's limited in the areas, as of right now, that we feel are important, that we keep seeing there being like roadblocks to zoning changes one thing is an issue which might prevent the entire property from being zoned that because this one small thing was an issue didn't have a way to deviate from it right so you can see in the code there's a list of things that we think are important and they mainly follow the planning area zoning district which is an existing zoning district we have they kind of follow that framework because we felt like that was a good start but we might still figure out that I need to be massaged over time or there are new issues or, you know, we will at least want to get something to request.

So if there was a larger property that needed a specific zoning and it had a very small sensitive area on one edge, you could use one of these to do something with the sensitive area and the rest of the property gets the zoning that it needs.

Yeah, we could build in a buffer that's created through there. And instead of now, what you'd end up having to do is we'd say, hey, can you zone this area CD1, which is like our, you know, build anything in. So now you have two zoning districts. You're asking for two different things. When could we just say, all right, you're going to be all one zoning district. We're going to put an overlay on top of you and build in some of that stuff. Hopefully it can like streamline certain situations. At the same time though, it can also do, you know, the opposite of staff or council or the developer, you know, wanted to, you know, do something that was maybe taller and high. And we felt like, Hey, you really need to step down. We might suggest we'd prefer for you to do with two stories or not four stories here. So it builds in some, I mean, to be honest, it builds in some planning practice into the zoning change level.

Question on that. So that got past the buffer. And then what would, What was addressed? And I wish I would have watched the discussion. So say I go in and get a zoning change for property. You guys do a buffer down. I just said, you know, I'm not going to build it. I'm going to walk away. But there's this buffer that now goes with the property. So it would go with the property or it would go with the project.

If you wanted to remove it, potentially, if you wanted to modify. Well, I guess to answer your question, it goes with the property. So it's like an overlay on your zoning district. So if a new person came in and said, I don't want that buffer, we'd say we're going to have to rezone it. And amend your development overly. Okay. And go through the PMC council process.

So is there ever a situation with this where maybe you have less intense zoning, but the buffer gives you more intense zoning? Or is it only like the buffer makes it less intense?

Makes it less intense. It doesn't do the opposite of which could be, you know, Hey, well, if you reduce your height over here to two stories, we'll give you seven. We do have some of those things within the code built in, but they're like a separate piece. And I do think that that is a good thing for us to start to realize, like, is that maybe necessary? Is there some type of bonus or care necessary to make some of this stuff a reality? We just need to see kind of, you know.

Because I can see both situations where you would need it to be maybe less intense on this side, but You know, if it's a big tract, it could be more intense on the side. But that way, the rest of the, you know, the rest of the tract or whatever is able to be what it needs to be without getting hung up.

Okay. Yeah. The consider and encourage language, did that come from us or where did it come from?

Anything on the left-hand side, those are all going to be verbatim from the vision SMTS comp plan. So we have no way to change any of that language. And they will usually have a higher level word action word consider evaluate like there'll be an action, but it might not be as specific as. Like do this thing it's going to be a little bit more high level and so that gives us some flexibility for like how it is that we implement right. To an extent, probably by design through working on a plan and just. wanting to maybe not commit to such strong language, but maybe keep it more evaluate because we need to figure out what the best way to do it is.

So continuing, land use and community design and character, LU 1.1, that was a, I did the land development code. We did that. Another one was the first sprawl by facilitating mixed-use development and appropriate location classroom development. So again, those are the four that we talked about. They're just one over the planning area going district, the development overlay relating, and then updating land use matrix and modifying the maximum walkway. Continuing land use 2.4, encourage healthcare facilities, medical offices, clinics, and pharmacies. We did update our land use table to, which is table 5.1 within CD4. Before it was limited, and so we did change that to permitted, to allow medical uses to be in NCD4. And then we also reduced barriers in NDE4 neighborhood. There was three criteria within the limited design. And so we did remove one of them, which was that they had to be on the corner of streets, commercial streets. And so we did remove that barrier. or all of the medical uses that had a limited design.

Yeah, I was saying you couldn't have that use unless you were at a corner in that zoning district. Like it wasn't realistically, you can have a clinic in the middle of a block and I don't think it's that detrimental. So there were actually a lot of those things that we realized where they actually detriments to making that damn zoning district work. Cause you couldn't request it except in very specific situations.

2.5, set aside areas for high quality public spaces during the development process. We did update our apartment dedications to simplify dedications and fee and lieu requirements for small scale. There's a cap that was added and we updated our tree survey, what's required. And so that was for LLU 2.5. LLU 3.3, again, encourage, identifies diverse housing type. We did revise the land use matrix to allow more building types for MD 3.2 and CD 2.5. And then we also modified maximum lot width standards for CD 4. LU 3.4 was to establish parking standards that balance mobility and economic needs. The best practice we did, remove a barrier restricting downtown businesses from using on-street parking to meet their minimum parking requirements. So that was part of the result from that. LU 3.5, which is established for strengthening design standards to ensure compatibility, development density. And again, we talked about the planning area zoning district and then the development overlay rating plan. And that was overlapping with LU 4.2, which is to encourage and incentivize cluster development to protect open space, provide recreational amenities. Our last one, PBS 4.2, the action statement was to encourage the location of health and community service providers in mixed-use neighborhood centers. We did revise daycare uses to be permitted in CD4, and then it did require an additional use permit in light industrial and heavy industrial. And then the same thing that I talked about previously, to remove that barrier that professional offices had to be located in a corner plot. And so, Those are sort of the main ones that we've talked about. We have our final adopted version on our website. Thank y'all for just the support and any input that y'all provided in the last year. And yeah, this concludes our presentation. Do you have any other questions?

The maximum lot width standard in CD4 zoning districts. How does maximum lot width Perfect. Small scales. So that one, let's see. Page 14. It's a company that occurs a couple times in here, but it's LU3. Excellent. I'll send it this evening. Yeah.

So CD4 is one step below CD5. There is a maximum lot with 120 feet. And what we were noticing is, and the 120 feet was intended to ensure that the lots in CD4 are a little bit small. However, what we were noticing is that anytime anyone wanted to build any type of multifamily housing, They were not choosing CD4, they were only choosing CD5 because CD5 does not have a maximum walkway. So you could just build a square one large lot and block down one large multifamily structure. What we want to do is encourage smaller building multifamily. So instead of it being one large structure or multiple large garden style multifamily just stuck on a lot that requires more of an urban form, We wanted to find the middle ground where we have smaller buildings, maybe individual buildings even, that can be still multifamily. But because we have the maximum lot width piece, they were able to, you know, potentially put some small little units on each lot, but then we just have multiple lots broken into 120 feet. And the little multifamily units that were going on it were having to just sort of cluster and avoid the lot width, the lot in the middle. So the exception that we wrote in there, and Brittany, you can help me if I'm getting it wrong. So we put in this trigger that says, if you build units or buildings smaller than a certain size.

5,000 square feet or less.

Oh, sweet. They're 5,000 square feet or less. The mass of lot width is not required. So in other words, now if you build small, you can avoid this dividing up of your land just because now you can have it all on one lot. That also helps, and I know I'm looking over at you, Sarah, because of utilities and the development process. But when you have lot lines all through your multi-family development, it makes it really hard to build out your utility infrastructure because you're having to have private lines crossing other lots. And that actually makes it really difficult from a utility standpoint So multifamily or mixed use projects, they want to just be on one lot with all the lot lines out of the way. We don't necessarily care from a planning perspective, at least with this exercise, whether you have lot lines there or not. We care more about the form that the buildings were taking. So in a way we say, hey, if you build smaller buildings, you can ignore this lot with peace and you can have them all and more like a cottage style yeah simplify a little bit okay cool kind of incentivizes it then yes condo exactly yeah you can do a condo so you know the ownership structure can still be there and provide a an ownership option which we wouldn't be involved with but so we'll see if that works but i think we've maybe kept running into situations like that and then they would have to get variances or they went We try and fit their projects into CD five and really wanted them to have the standards of CD four, which was more of a smaller scale.

And then when someone asked for CD five, like this red alarm goes on. So yeah, so it's a good move. I like it.

There's the word small scale housing, but I guess didn't understand. It's complicated.

It's like it, like explain, but it did.

That was the multifamily housing.

Yes.

Thanks for the presentation on that. Hopefully we understand better what this committee can aim toward. You know, if there's something that's been addressed in the development code, we can.

And those are the kinds of ideas that when you see action items, you know, you're thinking through, here's a great way that the code could be used, knowing what the code does and what it includes. That's a great way to help us think through. I saw this one thing, you could deviate this one section, you'd be achieving HN, whatever. Without you guys even prioritizing that on your annual reports, it just becomes a thing that we keep in our, we have a thing called a running list of code amendments, which we, I think, already started post code. I mean, we're in it every day. So we just add, like, ideas, commentary we received from stakeholders, developer groups, and we just put it in there. And then when it's time, we look at it, see if it will work.

Cool.

And then, yeah, the guide that's in your pocket is broken up into different sections. You can dive into the different sections if you need to.

As I said on volunteer, we're one of the key performance indicators we're putting together. The City Council includes that very discussion around the frequency level which we do our land development codes. David mentioned the legislative session. This should probably drive some of the going forward that it's not just kind of here and there, but it's a process. And as Andrea mentioned, that list is on the web. So all that ties back into strategic plan.

Yeah. And if there's something that staff feels strongly that will be addressed that we don't if it's helpful for us as a committee to push for that harder, or if our efforts are more efficient elsewhere, I think it's good to be informed about that for us as well. So thank you for all of that. Yeah.

We'll be updating again post session. So you have some time to get things to us as you see them. I mean, everyone always does, but.

Well, okay. So, um, I think that finishes out item number two. So let's go into number three, unless there's any. All right, let's go to number three. Receive a staff presentation, hold discussion on the vision, S&TX companies and implementation report, and provide feedback to staff.

All righty. So on this item, it's just a discussion item, so no action will be taken today. Here's kind of the framework we'll be working with. First, I'm just gonna give you a quick refresher on the 2026 party actions that you all identified. Then I'm gonna show you all a few things that we identified as potential items that you could remove from the list this year to build capacity for other action items. Next, I'm going to present the homework assignments, the responses I received on that. I'll show you what your peers sort of said as potential options. And then fourth will be a discussion. I'm going to open up the Miro board, which is the thing with all the sticky notes. And we're going to tee up that conversation where at that stage, we'll be transcribing as you guys think through things and start deciding at the end of the day, do you want to keep the list that you have now and present that to city council this fall? Do you want to modify that list? And if you do modify, I'd like your commentary so that we can kind of explain that to council. At the next meeting, we'll talk about this in next steps, but the next meeting will be where you're going to vote on it in that recommendation resolution. That's what I'll be taking to council. Okay, here we are in July. working towards having our budget adopted, then we'll have our next meeting in October, and then we'll be scheduling those, or we actually already have them on the calendar, our presentations of Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council. And here's just a quick reminder, these were the eight actions that you all prioritized in your packet. I put that memo back in that I presented at the last meeting.

I have a question. We arrived at eight because that is a magic number or because that was the number that everybody had a certain number of votes or check marks on previously?

Not a magic number. I will say what I would recommend is the best strategic plans in terms of implementation are not going to be here's all 30 things, get them done in a year. Narrow down is a best practice, but If you wanted to add, you know, a couple more, like that's not an issue. I'm not going to tell you you can't do, you know, 10 or whatnot. So just, you know, be mindful that, you know, keeping this at a manageable level helps ensure we actually are able to make progress, especially when some of these overlap, you know, multiple departments or just kind of, it will demonstrate like success or not. It will get smaller on the page as we add. Exactly. And that's just like, strategic planning, best practice is staying focused and targeted will help ensure you actually are able to get it done. Analogy is like that to-do list of, you know, make a good to-do list and then like only keep three of them or something that you're actually like going to accomplish. But we have eight, so you're welcome to modify that. There's no cap, so.

When will the transportation master plan come back out for for the council approval. Where's that?

We just had our meeting right before this, which is our working group meeting internally.

I think they're planning for additional community engagement through like a workshop or some sort of pop-up event in the fall. They hosted some in the spring and they're kind of refining the feedback that they received at those meetings. So one more community engagement. I'm not sure how many, but I know this is still going through. Okay.

Yeah.

So we're not quite there yet.

Okay. So what I did, um, and I will also step back and say in your packet, there was a big Excel document that was, uh, there's just some smaller ones printed here. If you want to look, it's the big, um, list of everything, 130 action items. It's all been updated.

This is the same printout we got last time. But updated. Okay. We've been updated. So I need one of those other ones.

But it's not in this packet. Right. We can share this if you want to. Yeah, that's good.

So that's in y'all's digital packet, but it's been updated to show everything new that we've done. So it'll have your status update. Okay. We also added just as a caveat, I think I added a few more columns for you that aligned with the memo I presented you at the last meeting that said like major disruption or on track. So I had all of the departments think about their actions from that lens. So we're not going to dive into every one of them just because we're going to stay focused on the ones you prioritized. But I think this is a great thing for you guys to look at between now and the next meeting as well. I guess if there's something else on there that you're seeing progress on that could be potentially amended. We could always talk about that. So what I did is I took your eight action items and talked to a couple of the departments to think through should this stay on the list for next year from a staff recommendation perspective, or could it potentially be removed? So first one, TMP. You all have prioritized that. We're not done with it. We are making progress, but from our perspective, it's still on track and it's still a priority for staff. The next one was related to a city staff position. This is the one we identified as major disruption. To be quite honest, it's because we don't have any budget for it. And we do feel like we will get better direction on these two topics or on this topic from the TMP perspective. and the transit plan that's being worked on. So we will pretty much always fail on getting this implemented because we also don't even have the documents created to tell us where we want to go with transportation right now.

When I listened to the presentation or whenever you presented these at the meeting too, it seemed like there was some pushback about like, we don't even know what this, you know, but what does this mean? We might be able to do this in-house, you know, something like that. So, yeah.

Yeah.

And higher up job seems to not go over super well. Never just like, just get.

Yes. Is Pete Benyon still running the public transportation?

He's the assistant director over there. They do have a transit manager, which is Amy. And we did have a parking and mobility manager who has since left. So that department is also working. down a position. And if anyone pays attention to the council meetings, positions are just pretty slim.

So I think that was a lot of the... You're adding like 20 positions this year, right? Right.

So we were losing positions. And so, you know, from the city management level, you know, I think their understanding of... We're just not in a position to add anything to those right now. Makes sense. This again, I do feel pretty confident and just talking with, you know, service and Sean founder of engineering that we have these two great plans that are moving together. They have the same consultant. So they're going to be pretty coordinated to give us a good recommendation on this, but potentially not something that should be looked at as an annual item.

Okay, instead, instead of evaluating the need for a staff position could shift and say evaluate the need to add this to the wheelhouse of the already existing positions. So that doesn't fall off the radar of some needs that would actually are still unmet to encourage more transportation system.

So that's actually what you all did at the last and your fall meeting when I didn't come to, yes, you, you nested. TR 2.2, you nested it under the TMP. So that's the exact line of thinking of the committee. In a way, yes, you could look at it as, yes, we are achieving this because we are considering this as part of the TMP. And that is verified by the staff that was doing that. But I mean, again, we're not actually going to get the position. So it just depends on how you want to look at it. TR 3.8. Staff feels like there's a lot of progress being made on some of the crossings. They felt good about that continuing to be an action item for this next year. Same with ECD 2.1. That's the economic development one on the list. Our new economic development director, she came to last meeting or so. They're making a lot of progress on looking at the economic development policy So there's a lot of momentum there and a lot of excitement about trying to get some of the kind of the tax base and some of that infrastructure conversation. So we felt like that was still a good one to kind of keep on here and make progress towards. I think we have, we'd be able to show some things that we're doing to move the needle on that. Review, update and adopt housing action plan. We are making progress on that. We met with our city council workforce housing committee last week And we were doing kind of a mini scope of that project. So that's in our hands now where we're sort of scoping that out. And we'll be bringing that to city council the next couple months to get their buy-in and direction on us moving forward with kicking that off. So we feel this is in our wheelhouse. We feel good that we're making progress on that this year and next year. Cool. Agent 4.3, that was another one where you had nested it under the TMP. Both of those can feel like, yes, that is happening and being nested as part of the TMP. In fact, the meeting we were just in right before this meeting, talking about land use, talking about transportation and the cross sections. So again, we feel like that's kind of nested up here and wouldn't probably be able to show much progress on it other than we're diving into this extensively with the TMP. So I think that could open a slot up for you all. And then the last two fiscal tools, Fiscal education, we are moving pretty strategically internally on that. We have had a few internal meetings since our last conversation where we're kind of putting together a game plan on, you know, what does that campaign look like? What does that cost? And so we're getting that conversation with our city management. So we feel good about that one and continue to make progress on that. And then EMV 3.4, That's a little bit of the development code stuff we just talked about, like conservation style development. And then we do also have another kind of working group with our building official trying to think through kind of green building and like what that looks like from building code perspective. And then it's also been a priority of the the council strategic plan.

Talking about silos and exhibits and just a little bit of the incentives and things like that. Again, it's working with that abundance. So as Andrea mentioned as well. All there, all moving forward, making progress.

Things in green. We feel we're making progress and can like achieve some stuff in the next year. So this next Slide. So this is presenting the homework responses that I received. So everything in red are things that were suggested by a member to be removed. And the next slide are all new things that were suggested by a member to be added. So instead of us just like looking at this large list, I think the next slide is about community discussion. What I want to do is I have a more visual way to see that. And I'd like just the rest of the conversation to kind of be left out with the mural board and we can walk through and see them. But at this point, it's just kind of floor open. You know, you guys can talk amongst each other to see like, yes, no, that kind of discussion. And then we'll be transcribing the commentary. So again, the question is, do you want to add or remove any of these actions? How many are there? Let's see. So you added one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. You added potentially nine and removing three and then keeping five. So you might have to.

So you didn't really talk about the difference between your staff recommendations and what are, because you just showed another slide.

Oh, well, I have it here actually. So what I ended up doing. Well, the differences are this guy, we recommend keeping this, which is your TMP. And we also recommend keeping this guy, which is the economic development piece. But you guys were in line, so I'm going to already suggest potentially removing TR 2.2. And then on here, what I'm going to do is on the mural board, I have some commentary on whether or not that was actually a priority of staff. through our worksheet exercises. And so if it wasn't a priority, I'll tell you it was not a priority. And so that will get us up a sheet. Yeah.

Let me share this for Cody. And so y'all only recommended removing one. Two.

Two, okay. The new position and the coordinate land use and transportation. Okay.

We put agencies on it.

Digital top. This is not in the digital packet. It was just me putting it up here for visual purposes. I can make it really big. The other way is just looking at AC 9.2 and your worksheets. You can like control F and then you can probably zoom into that. Sorry, Cody.

Well, I was just going to say the Excel also has them highlighted and color coded and the agenda packet.

So yellow is going to be a green is anything that was current. And that's the same for your digital version. The same for the one I put it on as well. Yellow is new things that you identified to be added and then red or actions that you all suggested.

Okay. And these are in here or in here. It's what you have. So anything that's green blocked is existing. Anything yellow is being introduced. Exactly. And then anything else is existing.

Red is, someone said to remove it. And then white is just going to be all the other 130.

Okay. But the yellow and the green are the ones that we're going to be focusing on that we are prioritizing. Yeah, thank you very much. Okay. Are we going from transportation? Are we going to start on one side together, like sort of arts and culture and transportation? So we're kind of, you know, it's our conversation. We know it's side of the packet. We're in conversations. There should be numbers on the bottom.

It looks like that roughly goes in the order that our packet is.

Which one are you looking at the first page?

I see 1.1 is. Okay, perfect.

I just didn't know if we were like, which side was the first page. I couldn't tell. Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, I see this. The one that's number one. Nice. Okay.

It's page 36.

And the digital version. The printout one. So we're just in the arts and culture section. This is, we don't have any arts and culture actions identified as a priority. So this was... suggested to identify the need and opportunities for new arts and culture related facilities, such as libraries, museums, and community theaters. Just the commentary there is we are actually making progress. And one of the exercises I did with the departments is I had them tell me if it was a priority for fiscal year, fiscal and calendar year 27 and 28, so I could see the two year outlook. So this one was identified as a priority for staff, And we have a RP that'll be coming out for feasibility study of a performing arts center facility. So there's some progress on this one that is being made. And I think that's the other important piece about the exercise is I wanted to be able to tell you, yeah, I got some feedback from staff already and they have some progress. If there isn't any, I'll tell you.

So that current staff priority, that is... Do you have a list of all staff priorities?

I do on my end, but every, actually, yeah, I don't think that was, that was like my exercise for this. Yeah. So I could tell you.

Well, I mean, I understand wanting to kind of keep that close to the chest as well, just to see what the general conversation is. So, but so you, each department has their own list of priorities from the comp plan as well. Exactly. I asked them.

is 1.2, actually ask them for every line item, is this a priority that you see that you're starting off realistically in this next one to two years? So this one was, but they identified as yes.

Okay.

And that was just in response to your questions, or that's something that everybody's kind of working with on a constant?

That is the framework of the Excel sheet now. Okay. On my own digital side, yeah.

Can we suggest like adding words, because like identify the need and opportunities for new arts, culture related facilities, such as libraries, museums, and permanent community theaters. I mean, I think like this summer, just like visiting them, like the Thespian Theater, it was like, my gosh, this is amazing, great. A lot of people didn't even know what was going on and happening, and they had to move around because of something permanent here. So I don't know, like, would that be nice to put permanent community theater locations so we define that better so i think it's facilities i know it's a building but facilities like you'd have to move from place to place or would there be like a really nice permanent facility in the city of san marcos that says this is our performing arts theater building that can be used for other things but that's where anyway i don't know if that's this rfp is i believe focused on a permanent facility okay um the statement though i can't modify because it's the one adopted in the comp plan but we can that's like a commentary about like that's what we're talking

That's what you want to achieve.

Yeah. Yeah, we need more public things to do at St. Barbara's. Absolutely. There's just not a lot. You know what I'm saying? There's not a lot to do at St. Barbara's.

Yeah, well, that play was amazing. I love you guys. Did all y'all go to it? Which one? The Little Mermaid play at the City Park, Classic Park. Nice. It was so incredible. Yeah. I agree with you. little girls who can sniff like little mermaids and even adults now.

So we can- Yeah, let's kind of spin through them and then we can like revisit and discuss. Okay. We can weigh the merits of each and then come back.

All right, so next we're in economic development. So this first one at the top, This is one that a committee member recommended removing, but this is one we would recommend a staff that you keep. So this is where we're talking about making a lot of progress on trying to get a PID policy together, trying to create an economic development policy. So I put over here that this is a current staff priority. We have a lot of initiatives that are in progress. This bottom one here is a new one that was added. It was addressed childcare as an essential component of economic development, such as evaluating man use allowances for childcare facilities, childcare as an economic incentive criteria or expansion of city sponsored children activities and camps. So this was identified by the departments as a current staff priority. So let's zoom in here. So as part of the code update, we mentioned to you all that we did actually edit the land use matrix to allow this use of childcare in the Arizona industry. So we've already taken a stab at doing that, just like on our own. And then staff is working closely with the Workforce Solutions Realty Capital area, trying to identify and initiate childcare grant funding for businesses when applicable. One thing I will say about this one is I know that as we create an economic development policy, I think child care is going to be a component potentially of that policy. So in a way, if you're wanting to look at this from a economic development perspective, which is where we can maybe like negotiate certain things, the speech checkers and economic incentive criteria, you could provide me that commentary so that I can As we're doing this one, we make sure that this is sort of rolled into it.

Yeah, 2.5 can live under 2.1. And we can just say that part of supporting these target industries is having adequate child care everywhere.

But is 2.1 getting removed, though?

It was a suggestion.

From us or from who? From you all. Okay, okay, okay. Good, good.

Okay.

Do you want to comment on that one?

Sorry, I'm trying to think of how I want to ask this. I'm wondering if some of these are being suggested for removal because they are already sort of City priorities and we don't need to waste one of our slots on them when we can maybe push for something that isn't necessarily a staff priority like that's seems like that's already going to get done I don't think anybody would be against economic development in that way, but like there's momentum behind it already so like could our our efforts be better placed elsewhere.

I'll also chime in. I think I suggested the removal of this one because at some of our past conversations, it really started steering heavily into bringing certain businesses to the city. It's not to say that that's, you know, I get it, that that is a thing that you want to attract businesses. businesses that have good jobs and that sort of thing. But I feel like that, it strayed a little bit from some of our very original conversation that was sort of about, I'm trying to, I was trying to grasp it, like the pieces of it that we were sort of, I recall, and I could recall incorrectly, but recall that we were focused on and then the conversation that was subsequently had was fairly different, if that makes sense. Retention versus... recruitment yeah yes and and maybe um yeah like what the specific um i think infrastructure mining piece of it

I think that the first one, though, is really good because I think just what you said, intentional infrastructure planning, because that's the most efficient, cost-effective way to get industry in place. I remember our conversation with the budget being really tight. You don't have to be putting pipes and electrical lines everywhere. Intentional, I like the intentional piece of it.

That was what I remember us focusing on. But then, yeah, some of the conversation that we had later was about recruitment. So I suggested that one being removed for that reason. But it's very, very broad.

I'm resonating with what Cody said and what you just said, Sarah. But what are the consequences of our keeping something in or discarding something? How much difference will it really make?

Well, let's say you took out the TMP, which is one of the ones that was suggested. We're going to keep doing the TMP. That was why I suggested removing that one, too.

I figured we could use another slot for something else.

Yes. I do believe the TMP is still... a separate priority by the council and their strategic plan. So, you know, again, you guys are just informing the council decisions.

Yeah. Like, do we want to be targeted and say, there's not enough attention being directed at this issue? Or do we want to say like, Hey, good job. We support that the city's doing this.

I'd be like being more focused as well, but like with the TNP, that one is an example. I suggested adding in the vision zero one. To maybe highlight that as a priority within the TV. Yeah. I don't know, you know, depending on how people think makes sense, but.

The, I won't say consequence, but the effect would be if you put something on here that maybe wasn't, you know, on our radar, or maybe we just didn't have like very specific actions related to, you know, I could elevate it up to say, well, let's go turn on this new topic and start, you know, see what progress we can make on that. Of course, putting on my all-director hat, which is what's sometimes hard because I'm speaking from a lot of other departments, is it'll always be figuring out how to slot in to the work plan pieces. But I will always go get feedback and say, hey, is there anything else happening on this that we could just elevate to start to show more progress in the next year? I feel like that's kind of how we would probably articulate to the departments

Okay. Well, with that in mind, let's leave these in the back of our minds and then we can revisit.

Alrighty. So moving on to environment and resource protection. So I'll start down here, which is the encourage developers to implement green building practices in conservation style development. um this is an area they said we are making progress but it's like we haven't we have no you know specific thing to show just yet we're just kind of in that working group phase especially because some of our council members it's on their radar so um we feel like this is one that we still are um is a priority for us um the other piece we have going on is Deconstruction ordinance, which is, I believe, I gave a touching point on that last meeting, but trying to create a program to where someone is demolishing structure, we can Connect them with a partner to take those materials off. So this is an idea we took it to Council.

We just need to Work with your side of the program to pull back on this year, when the Department of Student Council, see what it was, the program was largely You made the fees. This is a start.

So this next one is a new one suggested, which is established resilient and sustainable approaches to ensure a supply of safe groundwater and surface water, including water reuse and reclaim purposes to prevent depletion of groundwater sources. and minimize impact on regional water systems. So I have a mouthful here.

That's a good one.

Yeah. From staff that is no longer here because our utilities department currently does not have a director or assistant directors.

Is Tyler? Yes. Where did Tyler go?

He is with a company in DFW.

Yeah, he went to DFW.

A lot ago. A couple months.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then shortly thereafter, both of them .

So this is a fairly in limbo department. Very significant.

Although they will be hiring a position very soon. The job's closed.

So the update I received from that department before folks departed is, so the city actively manages multiple water sources to maintain a balanced, reliable system. To minimize dependence on groundwater, protect regional resources, cities implemented comprehensive water conservation programs, leak detection initiatives, and expanding reclaimed water system. The reclaimed water master plan outlined strategies for extending purple pipe infrastructure, reducing football demand, and improving drought resilience. So there's, HAB-Masyn Moyer- There is a direction and jam flying who kind of works on contributions to our programs. HAB-Masyn Moyer- I do know that this item kind of rolls into some of the other initiatives that Council has identified new strategic plan so sure it's you know it's very green of a of an action item, but if there's the momentum of the Council.

HAB-Jacques Juilland- Also know that's probably a discussion topic as it gets into its economic incentives as well. That is a negotiating model so that you see this discussions came up about making sure that we're showing elements of reuse that could be worked through in that way for applicable.

How easily or how easy is it to tap into reuse water in San Marcos? Like how, what's the infrastructure of reuse perhaps right now? Is it pretty vast or is it pretty limited?

It's pretty limited. It pretty much It's over on the east, southeast side, right? Yep, by the power plant. And then I think there's a line that extends to the northeast, but it's just, it's not a massive infrastructure like the water lines are. So it is pretty limited. So it's, if you were to connect to it, you'd only go in certain areas just because the lines aren't there. But there might be some movement on CIP side, but we could get some more. If that is interesting to you all, we could.

I feel like the city at one point in time, when I was on counselors after that, I feel like we were, there was a direction given at some point to drop the purple lines every time infrastructure is going in. So at least they're in there and they're ready to go. So they don't have to come back. Was that ever, am I dreaming about that? Or then actually, was it a conversation that took place at some time and got implemented?

That might be. is something that is in place. I know that development off of McCarty and Rattler Road, that industrial complex there, they pulled the Purple Pipe line from the main line, which kind of goes by Amazon. It sort of like goes straight, runs parallel to I-35, but like in the Amazon property. They pulled some of that line. I don't know if that was driven by net or if there was like a,

And then we send it to Texas State University as well, correct? For air addiction purposes? I think we do all of our parks and then we do something. Okay. Do we still do our parklands? Or do we not do all of our parks?

Yeah, just the parks that are nearby.

Okay, so just the ones that are easy to access. And then we send it to Texas State University and do they then send off to all their areas, and at that point, they're responsible for extending the system on that, or do you know?

Great question. Yeah, I'm not sure. I know it hits part of the state.

It was hooked up a long time, like I'd say eight years ago. That's a long time. I don't know how expansive the system is once it hits the university, but it's just one irrigation system, or if it's the entire campus.

Stink apartments. That could be crazy, but they have purple irrigation boxes, so I assumed that they were using I think so.

I think there's some moments behind this from the community.

Yeah.

To me, I know the water utility has done a lot of great stuff, but the fact that we have another director assistant director is impetus to keep this on the radar and

to promote these action items for the next. Because I know Tyler did this stuff well. I support everything they did. Absolutely. Tom Taggart and Tyler, they were definitely really, really good. You need to emphasize this to send a message for the next incoming administration.

This is amazing. I think so. Maybe we can get some more detail on it because you guys don't have anything else to do. I mean, if this infrastructure would be interesting to see how much infrastructure is available or what it looks like to expand it, especially outside of universities using it, like how much are they actually using it?

This also, to me, seems like it could tap into plumbing codes to ensure that localized reuse is to make sure that there's kind of a green light for that within the city's local municipal HAB-Masyn Moyer- Like people put in irrigation meters are just like we're using in terms of like the plumbing required to. HAB-Masyn Moyer- use great water within a building or on site, I know some municipalities have broke some roadblocks in place to that and some don't you know some have greenlit that and so it's.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- We don't have any barriers to this question more recently. and ask our building officials. There's nothing that would prevent someone. We would look at it, review it. Obviously, it's not. We don't have a specific criterion for it. It's in there outside of the general public codes. But the short answer is if someone came to assist and wanted to implement that, they could do it. We'd find a way to work that through in our current codes. Going forward, some of the new code adoptions may speak to some of those systems. Some of the code requirements, but why do brought that up because you have that very question.

Because, yeah, like if someone wanted to be completely on rainwater, the city would allow that.

That system exists, we can work on those together.

So on the code discussion. I know it's kind of a trend for the city to do every other code cycle we adopted 2021 so the next code is 2027 Are we already in discussions about adopting the 27 code? Is that something we should start talking about here?

That process will likely start in early part of 2027. Next year, I talked to the building official. He wants to start proposed adoption of that code. We're going through that process. In addition to that, we'll adopt, likely adopt the rebuilding code or the I-series code. Okay. As not a standard, but as an as an option and that kind of relates back to some of the Council's strategic plan. If they would incentivize someone to build to that code and that that at least exist on our books as a as a reference point wouldn't be wouldn't be a be a wouldn't be the code, but it would be an option code and then if if the incentive was applied, they would utilize that codes and submissions on the road to people.

Just kind of a question. Because we are entering into phases everywhere of water restrictions and energy like everything, is it better to incentivize and give options? Or is it better to actually make it rougher and de-incentivize? I mean, there's kind of two different ways. Because I don't know if even incentivizing is actually strong enough anymore. de-incentivizing is actually where we're, if we don't speed up things, if that's where we're going to be. I'm curious, like, what the difference would be and if there's been any conversations about that taking place in that area.

Some of those, well, the city of Dripping Springs did a little bit recently where they waived the plumbing fee for gray water type systems in residential. How much of an incentive that is, that fee's fairly small. I mean, is I think when we get into those discussions about making those more mandatory, those systems, then the other side of that is looking at how much does that change the cost of the home? And do we start getting into impacting housing affordability or every new single family home now increases by X thousand dollars because of the system. That conversation we just have to share to understand what that trade-off looks like versus incentivizing what's required.

Yeah.

Probably mix both and then. you know, public policy decision for council to decide how much are we in stick city or here at Liddy and how does that balance? And yeah, I suspect we'll start to get there with based on the strategic plan the way it is right now.

We're going to get back to some of the incentive discussion as you look into PIDS and other things. This is part of that health discussion as well.

Another option, sorry, I'm sorry to not talk because a green building overlay HAB-Jacques Juilland, So city council could outline certain areas of new new construction areas to have a great you're talking about the planning other ways. HAB-Jacques Juilland, I have a green building overlay say this zone, this new development is going to have a green building over those so that area has to do the green building of Greenville standard or whatever. that overlay looks like. That's another trial.

I think that makes pockets of town with vastly more expensive housing that could be a little bit problematic because it necessitates higher prices and you're basically zoning for more expensive housing that way. So I'm not sure how I feel about that one, actually.

It's kind of like crunch time, you know, like it's crunch time for the planner right now. Like there is some give and takes like, okay. So instead of building a 2,500 square foot home, you build a 2,300 square foot home and you make sure it's super efficient and you make people incorporate green. I'm just hypothetically speaking. So I get what you're saying. Absolutely. Because there's also people can't afford a house. So we're just at a really weird.

Or let us build a thousand square foot house.

Exactly. A hundred percent. Absolutely. Yeah. More cluster buildings, the smaller, yeah.

The other discussion could be, what is the difference between a home built at this code and then a home built just under your standard newest codes? Because they do, they do tend to always, as they're adopted additional science, tend to be, of course, different materiality and so forth built on energy efficiency. So what, what are you really getting if you build a platform versus, you know, HAB-Jacques Juilland- More than one meter to rate the system type.

HAB-Jacques Juilland- Whatever I think from the requirements and hoops to jump through standard for building the more complicated the requirements get the more you the incentivize. HAB-Jacques Juilland- Local friendly development and the more you incentivize large corporate tracked home development that can afford to jump through all those hoops and pay all of those fees and consultants. And I think there's another delicate balance that has to be achieved there for the small scale. You know, affordable housing is the infill housing that is small scale to medium scale that if it's too complicated to build those, a huge corporate developer isn't going to build those. So like all of these requirements are great, but does the local developer, are they able to do that at an efficient level?

Do you guys have any examples like nationwide that kind of speak to that? Like, were there any smaller developers that were able to accomplish more green structure? development and still keep it within a price range that people can afford, which is what can people afford to find?

One of my best clients is Foundation Communities. It's a local Austin nonprofit. They build AEGB five-star multifamily housing projects for homeless and extremely at-risk individuals. They're the biggest super affordable housing provider in Austin and they build to the grant standards and it's a nonprofit so it can be done. They're owners, so...

Presumably it's subsidized in some

They get grants. They get funding to build a building. Their long-term owners are not flipping the property. So their interest isn't in building cheap and maximizing profit on their return on the flip. Their owners, they want to build the most efficient housing possible because they're paying the bills. They're paying the long-term cost of ownership. So to build efficiently up front and then have a low operating cost is actually the best interest financing.

So that's how they can justify the higher up front cost, but they like lively ladies that he's associated with is a great example. I mean, they're building both energy efficiently, but also by design, they have Now it's like a condo regime in the stuff that the design of the actual development. So infill, you know, where we build how we build attached housing, collective green spaces, diminishing the need for single car transportation usage. I mean, that's really where the impact will be. And the tree preservation, which we really pushed here. I think that's when he said that the building codes are getting much more efficient every single time. It's really just about disincentivizing the suburban sprawl for single family tract homes. And that's really what's really awesome.

All right. Should we move on to the next and revisit? We all feel very strongly about this.

Yes, that's it. Well, it's a pretty big deal, you know. There's so many layers of that. Oh. Portability, free space, future, environmental. I mean, it's. Oh, yeah.

The whole field.

Yeah.

The fun field though. Okay. Housing action plan. This is one that you all want to keep. We recommend keeping it. We're making momentum on that, but it's, you know, I guess I would just say we don't, We prefer for it to continue to be a priority so that as we go through this process with council, it's still a priority of this committee. And because we're not quite there yet, we want to have that conversation with council. And so support through the oversight committee can help us at least to kind of say, hey, this is still a priority.

Definitely got a good group of people thinking hard about it, that's for sure.

um this is the other housing one the only other housing one that is currently on our list from last year and you all recommend keeping it this is one of the ones staff identified that you could potentially remove and that's just because it's being addressed through the tmp the transit plan and so um you know it's a potential opportunity to have another action that you focus on I just don't know if I need to open my mouth or not. I think that the other areas in which we have

spoken strongly against sprawl this lives under that because the more infill and the more density that you have the more it naturally sort of lends itself to the sort of proximity and funding that you need for that transportation So I do think that this could live under the transportation master plan as long as there's some sort of recognition of the nexus between the sort of more urban land use and the ability to provide good transit and transportation. So if there is momentum for something like that in the transportation master plan, And I think we could possibly leave this off. And if there's not motivation for language like that in the transportation plan, then I think this remains very important.

Right now, this one is not nested under the TMP. So that could also be an opportunity is if you kept the TMP on as your action items, you could nest it and replace one of the other ones, which is the staff position and then the insure safe crossings. Those are the two that are nested.

Do you, or is one of the goals is to not have duplicates in different plans, or would that be actually even better having a statement in here that matches the statement there so you can say, well, we have two or three plans that all mention the same thing, so I have to go?

Yeah, I think there's pressure from several different angles, then you're more likely to make some make something happen. But that's also, if that's already a big piece of the conversation in the Transportation Master Plan conversations that are happening, then I don't feel as strongly about keeping this because it's one implemented with that plan. And if it's not part of that, then I would want to nest this in there and just make sure that there's an acknowledgement that that sort of nexus between land use and transportation planning is very important.

We don't really know that it's part of the T&P though, because the T&P is still written. Yeah.

Hold it until we see it in there. Yeah. And then revisit it. Yeah.

The transit plan is earlier. So to the statement from your last statements, I always thought the transit piece HAB-Masyn Moyer- I will say it like we don't know if I yet because that's just getting guys right and see how that's still this is so direct that yeah.

HAB-Jacques Juilland, Also, acknowledging that we may have to. HAB-Jacques Juilland, pick and choose what our priorities are here so. HAB-Jacques Juilland, I just wanted to say that.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- And you know just rendering this is all under this. HAB-Masyn Moyer- concept of the 15 minute neighborhood. So we do still have metrics that we can be tracking related to this. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Metric perspective. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay, last three, but this is where you all had a lot of suggestions. HAB-Masyn Moyer- So this is our band use and community design and character section. So a potential action that could be added is They're explicitly stating discourage sprawl by facilitating mixed-use developments in appropriate locations, clustering development, and encouraging a mix of housing types. We identified this as a staff priority. We started to move the needle with the planning, you know, modifying the planning area district, which is all about clustering. We, of course, want to see somebody actually choose that zoning district to see if it works, create that development overlay. And then we are kicking off the housing action plan, which will start to drill down into some strategies on, well, how do you encourage housing types? Like, what are the tools that you should be using to do that? Is mixed use development occurring in appropriate locations? Where are those appropriate locations? Which would be based on the comp plan. But all this to say, I think that, I think this is an interesting one that we could start to you know, think about real specific strategies on. And we've got momentum on the housing action plan to like start to drill down into that and more of a community engagement type of process.

I think this is super important. Just so it is. Yeah.

I mean, is this effectively the like community centers on the comprehensive plan?

Community centers, but, you know, I think Yes. Community centers, neighborhood centers, regional centers, but also where is, you know, where is mixed use happening in places that we aren't even really noticing that it was identified as a center. So like starting to think through as the comp plan gets older, the map itself should technically get updated a little bit too. So I think new sections would come online by blue lanes in the center, I think right now. So, but yeah.

So it's kind of just doing like an update assessment of where it's happening and where it should happen.

Yeah, in a perfect world, after we do fiscal education potentially, that could influence updates to the preferred scenario map, right? Because now you understand this kind of fiscal policy, how could we update the clock plan, which we have to do every few years by charter. So how can that map be modified?

And, you know, now that we're talking about it, the last one where we're discussing land use and transportation planning could also be necessary in this one. This one covers a lot of the things I'm talking about.

Yeah.

This is more the carrot side of discouraging sprawl, too. Like, what would be some examples? I guess that would be something else to look into. But, like, would this ink involve, like, rezoning?

Yeah, how do we encourage sprawl with the tools that we have and taking like a deeper dive into some of that, especially when some of the tools we have are very limited based out of the state. And sprawl, I mean, a lot of the development that's happening in the periphery is not even happening in our DTJ.

Right.

But I mean, what can we do? That could also mean encouraging infill. So how do we purposely develop inside the city to They choose inside the city and not outside. Like there was an incentive for HEB.

So it could be like, yeah. And what was it that happened with the grocery stores? There was like the. There was a grocery store incentive package. Yeah. It would be like a mixed use incentive package or something.

And there's a lot of material. I mean, this is what planning profession is always drawn into is what's working, what's not working. And that's a lot of cities testing it out. people writing, you know, doing research on it to see. A lot of it does take time because a city might try some type of incentive. It takes time to see if it actually worked, but that's like a bunch of, I mean, just thinking about conference sessions. This is the big topic.

How are we doing right now with implementing and getting buy-in for small neighborhood commercial zoning changes?

I don't know.

Really like no pop-up coffee shops or pop-up little corner stores or pop-up sandwich shops or something, you know, anything.

Well, I would say from a zoning change perspective, no one's necessarily coming to the table. Across from Rattler and FM 110, there's a little, there's a site that's under construction. So we're across from that industrial place I just kind of mentioned. They zoned to CM, commercial, CM? That's right. CD4 or something. No, it's heavy commercial. And CM. It's going to be a convenience store. But it's the most urban. I mean, we'll have to see how it all plays out. But they zoned to CM, meaning that's a new zoning district that had some better standards than GC, Legacy District. And so... we have the opportunity to have someone come to the table, how do we meet their goals while also being, you know, them not releasing from the ETJ or them not just building the typical looking convenience store with gas pumps in front? Can they add another building onto the site? So like, there's just some of that coming to your question about zoning changes, but the easiest thing is you should already be zoned. How do we help you move into the space? How can the zoning be flexible enough that you don't have to go through a zoning change process?

I think most people would be scared to death to try to propose any neighborhood in an existing neighborhood, like any commercial in an existing neighborhood. There's a lot of property law.

There's a lot of property law credit that have been available for a very long time. Every time someone proposes something.

Yeah, shut it down.

Yeah, right. Yeah, there's one withdrawn, the top of. Yeah, yeah.

There's been several proposals. It's expensive and then you get yelled at. Yeah.

Moving us along, we have that physical sustainability education and tool component. That was proposed by staff and by the oversight committee to remain. So we would recommend that stays we are making momentum on that. But again, we need council direction to even start. So that is one that we're still about to shoot, I suppose. Two new ones here that you all identified. The first is established conservation development guidelines, which include green infrastructure practices and compact development and incentivize qualified development. So this is, again, Always still connected to some another initiative, right? You guys have.

So we just talked about that.

So we actually identified this one, uh, as not a priority again, looking at the next two years. So while we are making progress on the stormwater master plan, that's something that's in progress right now. Um, you know, some of the initiatives identified here. are not necessarily incorporated into the stormwater master plan scope. So while yes, this is important and we have other initiatives that might be touching on conservation development guidelines and whatnot, or compact development from kind of an engineering department perspective and just knowing the initiatives we have right now, we have no specific initiative that is moving the needle on this. Similar, the bottom one, develop a green infrastructure master plan. That's like its own plan. Its own kind of new thing. We'd have to sort of scope that again, not an initial and not in party in the next two years. Catches the starting water master plan topic, but it's both of these are kind of outside of that scope.

Wouldn't 4.1 be much easier to create than 4.5 because any master plan takes eight years to develop or something like 4.1. could be something where it could be staff initiated conversations, a smaller policy possibly that could.

It seems more feasible.

I like one. Yeah. 4.5. I get it. Oh, I support it. That's a really long term goal with every other master plan we have going on. What's the success of that? Actually, we want to, we want to create successes and get some things done too. Yeah.

Yeah. I had proposed 4.5 and I also, I guess in my thinking there, I proposed it as being a potential combination with PPS 1.1, which is the next one right below it. This is because of the Greenways Master Plan. I know we already have the Greenways Master Plan.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Yeah, right below it. And that green infrastructure lens could build on the Greenways Master Plan Um, cause I would assume that those are largely the Greenways master plan is going to nest within a green infrastructure master plan. Um, I get it. There's another plan and it takes time, but I do think that that could be like an important piece for the city to develop and like elevate that Greenways master plan. Cause I've always been a little confused by the Greenways master plan and how it is nested under the TMP. because it's a little bit vague. Like there's not a sidewalk master plan. There's the greenways faster plan. And so like they're, they're, it's kind of treating it as a transportation piece, but I do think that there's, it could be looked at as a, like a, the work that like the green battle lines and everything is doing is like kind of an amazing piece as far as the green infrastructure goes, not just like a way to get around town. So I don't know if that was, that was my kind of like putting like,

think if you have too many different types of plans that are still like how do you move yeah and they're all different places and oh sorry it's a little bit hard to kind of catch up with everything is that they have one big plan mobility plan maybe maybe it's not the transportation master plan maybe it's a mobility plan transportation greenways and have several things underneath it because i just feel like when there's so many things asking you can't find them Like a lot of things.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, and I understand exactly what you're saying, but I think sometimes you get so many plans going and how can staff actually accommodate all of the two. And by the time one gets done and there's three other that are going and we're making plans all day long and we're not getting, y'all aren't getting anything done because you don't have, you know, five staff members per person. I mean, I don't even know the logic here. So it's not, I'm not downplaying it all. I'm just trying to like, yeah, what is the capacity of what you guys have and how could it be all connected through mobility? Because it's all about mobility in some way or form.

Sort of. I think this does go into, it kind of elevates that Greenways master plan into something a little different, at least the way I was looking at it. And I feel like, As it plays into development as well being able to point to a green infrastructure master plan and be able to highlight how one small site can tie into something much larger. From you know landscape perspective, I think that that is meaningful, and so I get that it's like maybe something that doesn't have capacity, but currently now and maybe isn't on you know the team piece, the priority at the moment, but. I feel like that with everything, the different forces that do exist in San Marcos, I feel like it could be a very meaningful plan.

So coming out of the TMP meeting we just had at three, we are fully discussing the location and the standard details of greenways in the city as a component of the Transportation Master Plan. you know, I did kind of look up what cities have green waste master plans. And they're bigger like San Antonio or, you know, like Charlotte, you know, they're big cities having to think about the network at a really large scale. In St. Margaret's, I mean, even just based off of the conversation we had earlier and knowing the next steps as our team goes through, we asked about active transportation as part of the comment maps that went out to the community. So I think that the location of some of this stuff will be included in the scope of the TMP. However, how we connect the TMP to parks master plan, parks open space plans, I think needs to be a talking point of the TMP. So I feel kind of confident that PPS 1.1 will make some progress with the TMP. because I don't foresee us having a separate greenways master plan when the TMP is already directing some of that. And we also know that the parks master plan is going to be updated so that it can follow. And then you've got your trail network on parks properties connecting to the broader, how do I get from lower purgatory to upper purgatory to river recharge without like crossing branch row 12 and then unsafe, right? Like that's what it's all about is like linking things together. And then the development code, I mean, during the conversation, we're editing the cross sections to make sure that the development is actually installing the green mix in the right spots. So all but to say, I feel pretty good about progress made on PPS 1.1, but we did discuss internally that this, there we go. infrastructure master plan is something that we, it's almost like an amended scope of the stormwater master plan that could be drilled down into with better expertise. So I think we state that here it's outside of the scope, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be something that's, you know, money is allocated, you know, to that or amending the scope or creating a new initiative to say, you mentioned something like, how do you design a site with green infrastructure embedded. Like the stormwater master plan has a couple of examples, but I think the idea would be we could drill into this a little bit more on what it is we want.

Does that make sense?

Yeah. I mean, like a green infrastructure master plan could presumably pull from the parks plan, pull from the greenways plan, pull from the stormwater plan and merge all those. But I think that lens helps people understand that they are participating in something bigger than their size, particularly with green infrastructure and versus you know mobility some people are like well I'm never going to walk so who cares which is sadly the attitude I feel like I'll do that so anyways I just I don't know it's another lens and I think it would be a helpful merge point but I'll yeah yeah looks like Cody has his hand up yeah I think I lost the screen share I'm not sure is it still sharing are you seeing it no it must be on my end

I'll look around for it. Thanks. I've got it. Thank you.

Somebody meditate on?

Moving to parks, we only have one identified here, which is create an urban forest management plan to protect and enhance the city's tree canopy. Good news is this is a stop priority. There's a, it hadn't been updated by yet, so that's a little outdated, but we have kicked that initiative off. So we're in the process of creating the urban forestry plan right now.

So the city has a grant for this already, and there's a negotiation with the vendor. So I am insanely in support of this. But we need to use a priority spot since it has great momentum already. That's just a rhetorical question. I don't know if everyone feels strongly one way or the other.

No, it's the existential question of how we vote for our priorities. Do we prioritize things that we know can get accomplished? Or do we prioritize things that aren't being done because we want to prioritize those things, put them on somebody's radar because they're not being done? And we have to decide. I think it'd be better for us to pool our collective understanding of how we're voting.

I agree on one of those strategies. Yeah.

The one, two, and three are goals. Like, okay, so the ones that we think that are really manageable that you guys could guide us on and say, these are actually things that we could implement without tons of staff work, tons of money invested. And we could say, okay, let's get those going. At least we've got some momentum going and we see something done. And then say, these are the other ones that are so incredibly important that they need to be on the radar that could come after the result. Because we've got to get something done. You know, people make these great plans all the time and how often do they get implemented because there's They're so amazing, but they cost way too much money and too much staff time. Then it becomes, so I'm with you, like, let's go through this and maybe pick out some ones that we, that you guys can guide us on by saying, yes, these are actually something that we can attain in a 12 or 24 month period of time. And there's will, right now, political will to get done.

And also carrying the two schools of thought, continued momentum on these actions and new priorities, like,

It might be safe to leave them in there, even if it crowds our priority list a little bit because it's not necessarily a free win, but there's already You know, we get some we get some likely wins in there and then we can I think would keep all of them, but I go back to let's get something that's manageable and implemented.

So at least we get some things going because none of these are bad. They're all great. every one of them. So if you guys can tell us what you guys, these three, we could probably bring forward and offer something manageable and accessible pretty soon. Like let's get something done then, you know, instead of holding it in a parking lot because all these other things that might be even greater, but maybe not as.

She said tonight, we're not getting direct.

Great direction. We're not getting voting direction. Brittany's over here. Just. at the end i would like to recap on so i can prepare something for you to review at the next meeting and then you can you know i'm wanting to like take a pair of scissors and like cut out each of these and put them in buckets and be like okay and it can still be an exercise at the beginning of the next meeting i mean that's all we have to do with the next one is you can you can we'll get back at them well could we ask you guys like would it be something that you would

favorite to ask staff, like how long would it take you guys to go through the list of the things that we've prioritized and say, okay, you guys, these five things actually we feel like are financially manageable and they're also time-wise manageable. And I would like to suggest you guys think about maybe prioritizing these one, two, three, four, five. Would that be something we would want to ask them to do?

Well, I've kind of already done it with the current staff priority tags, right? Yeah. Like those are the ones that you're like, okay, we can accomplish these.

I think it's because there's already an idea in the sky or actually accomplish them because we actually have the capacity financially and the capacity within our staff time to implement. So like, is that why you say that there is? staff priority. Is that why you're saying that? Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Well, that's pretty easy. Yeah. But I can even refine it a little bit further and give you guys, maybe not to the full in-depth of that memo that I created where we talked about disruptions, but I can just pull them out and give a little bit more updated commentary and then split them out into two. Like I'm hearing, hey, these are ongoing. I'm also hearing these are new things. here are all the steps and barriers or potentially like what it would take to get there. And even if there's barriers, it's okay. You're just directing the policy to say, you know, council to buy into that, to be able to push us to, or fund things, right? It helps us when we go and say, we want to create a green infrastructure plan where we need to scope that out and determine who, that is and what that looks like, that would be a fiscal year 28 budget proposal, right? So you're just helping tee that conversation up for us.

But also, we're hearing not just from you guys, but in general, like, budgets are really tight, which means your staff time is going to have to be very efficient, which would help us understand, like, what you guys actually have the capacity to try to push forward and what type of monetary accessibility there is to get these done. Like, that's I mean, we're not back in, you know, we're at a really tight place right now too. So I think all of these are great and funny where they lay, but I would like to have something that comes out of here that goes, actually, this is actionable. This could actually be actionable if there was political will to make it so.

Well, there is always action in the sense that you're saying, like, you can start laying the groundwork to tee it up for future years.

And not wait till 2028. Yeah.

Or, yeah, or even if it is, it's like it starts to become part of the conversation.

We need it two years in advance on your list in order to get that funded, right? Because if we say start this now, I mean, that's next fiscal year before it's even... the budget's approved to be able to even begin to scope our project. You see what I mean?

I just thought, like, I don't want to say, you know, in 2028, we can start a transportation master plan. It's like, okay, wow, that seems pretty, I mean, great, but a little bit grim to actually get something done to show the community, yeah, we're moving forward with some of the elements. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll just say, too, it's very much budget priorities. It's important to come out of this because we'll, much of the finance department should for 28 in late November.

Mm-hmm.

And so in three or four months, you know, we'll be circling back again to cash commissioning in January. And then we're right back. Before we know it, just like that, we're right back and discussing budget follows.

Yeah, so maybe if there's, maybe if it's not an easy win, it's more important for us to prioritize it because it shows where we want the budget to go next time. Like if it's not an easy win.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean, like that question of what's the strategy there, they maybe do a little bit of both.

I mean, grab some low-hanging fruit and then keep everything else intact.

As long as we don't let it sprawl too many items, I think we're good. And if we can nest other items with those notes, I think we're good.

The nesting sometimes, I will say, I feel like it's a little bit of a cop-out. But all of these underneath there and then suddenly becomes a very big item. Yeah, yeah. I'm not necessarily a fan of that person. But yeah, it's easy. Thank you.

Okay, um, these last two kind of talked about the TMP was one of the ones we said got momentum on, but it was potentially, you know, because again, we have a best one and picked it up. Um, This is the new position, staff recommended removing this one. The committee also recommended removing it. And then here are the three, two new ones. All three of these we feel like is a staff priority. The first one is ensuring a well-integrated, connected transportation network that includes a hierarchy of roads appropriate for adjacent land uses and development types. Kid you not, that was literally the discussion just earlier today as part of the TMP is thinking about roadway types, their hierarchy related to land uses. So we really feel like this is being discussed and addressed through the TMP. Vision Zero for Great Vision Zero goals and objectives into transportation plans, programs, and projects. I'd actually like a little more context from you all on, you know, For whoever identified it, what does that look like? Because the statement is, incorporate Vision Zero goals and objectives into plans, projects, and projects. Looking at the TMP scope and discussing the TMP, definitely. That is one of the recommendations out of the TMP. It is one of the lenses that we're viewing that plan from. But what other action items does this look like to you all or whoever looked at it and prioritized it and what types of tangible things do you want to see? Vision Zero is about zero deaths, right? And so it's really a lens to look at everything and a thing to always kind of look back onto when making decisions for developing these plans. So it's kind of one of those continuous action items. It's not one that you can just like check off the list.

That doesn't mean you can't prioritize it, right? I suggested this one in replacement of the TMP.

Hmm.

just as like more of a highlight or like a focused emphasis instead of being like do the TMP plan. We know that. So I think on this one in the 2018 TMP, I remember being part of some comments to get any mention of Vision Zero on it. And there's a small mention, like one line, like adopt a Vision Zero policy. And that never happened. And so I think that a lot of people don't know what it is. And I think that other cities like Austin has made a lot of progress with their Vision Zero plan and some of their funded transportation projects and making sure that all of them are looking at any transportation project with the goal of making it safer, in particular for people that are more vulnerable on the street. And so I feel like that hasn't, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know that that's really been embedded in, like, staff's vision perspective, and so that was kind of my thinking there, that, like, within that, it could be adoption of a Vision Zero plan, making that part of the active conversation within the department, and, you know, going from there, I think also, like, you know, that's something, like, the police department, you know, can be integrated more into some of those conversations as well, because, like, you know, they're the, you know, fire too. Like they're the ones responding to all that stuff. So like, it's an opportunity to like bring multiple departments together in that conversation and make it more active.

Did they do that in Austin too? Bring all of the emergency response things together?

I'm not sure, but I think it's like, it was a citywide plan and effort.

And so education and awareness of, you know, what that is.

And I mean, like that, those aspects of it are great. Yeah. Because then people start thinking that way, particularly like the set of people that are designing and working on these projects, but then more just like, yeah, how does that impact the actual decisions being made when these projects are all being constructed?

Yeah. So I have seen like green infrastructure frameworks or equity frameworks, right? So like they're things that when you're doing projects, you have almost a framework of decision-making or a lens to view that's a little bit more of a structure. I wonder if that could be an opportunity to take this type of statement into a next level. Is it achieving these particular tenants of vision zero? So I think that that could be. Yeah.

Like every project that looks through that lens. Yeah.

Okay.

Because, like I said, it was just it was a little bit of all right right after the last team key it was like great there's mentioned, but nothing has happened, and so I think like re elevating that while it's being written. could be meaningful.

And then, just the last one down here. HAB-Masyn Moyer- This was a party from last year, it was all about seeing crossings and talking to staff. HAB-Masyn Moyer- To remain just because they're always looking at their funding and ways to improve those major intersections. So we are keeping this mass party.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- 100% agree with keeping HAB-Masyn Moyer- Anybody else want so

How can I help you? Well, I've got some feedback, but is there any other ideas on how I can help make your next conversation structured? Any other ideas for some of that? I'll divide things out.

I like the scissors.

Yeah, I feel like that would be like, or post it.

We could also do that physically and just put them.

I'll leave this here then and you guys can cut.

Would you prefer us to do that now or next time? Do we? That's really up to you all to do it now.

That's how I design my furniture moving at my house. What are we going to do next time when we need animals?

We've had about 20-ish options. Are there any we can say, no, we don't want to include those?

We can also easily look at this document. If you want to suggest quickly, I can make little...

I say check all the staffing ones out. Like that one, I don't think that we need in there. If you haven't taken those out, my suggestion would be to take all the suggestions for staff as long as, because it's not going to happen right now anyway. Or is there like a parking lot you can put them in?

There's just 130 actually, but yes, we'll keep track that also there was identified as a priority in this year. Okay, so here's where we started. We can also kind of make a note that says what's something that we're doing currently. So I can easily do that. Yep. So this is, you know.

I think it's searching developers to implement green building practices. That's a pretty easy one, right? I mean, that doesn't create, you don't have to come up with a big master plan for it. I mean, it probably just comes up with some policymaking ideas or not. Am I overthinking that?

You mentioned already the, Okay, that was the whole sections. Let's say here's kind of where, I'm just breaking it down into what are the things we're currently working on. We're working on all of these pieces, except for this one. So I already heard to remove this, from at least one member. Everything here we're currently working on. Go into the next section. We are currently making progress on the museum one. Currently, but not probably super strategic on the child care. If you didn't prioritize this, I think it would be be direct a little bit more on the child care.

To me, that's kind of a low hanging fruit, honestly, because it's more policymaking as opposed to master plan designing, right?

Yeah, it's yeah, policy level. So it can be done internally with your staff conversations. The castle.

So maybe you guys just like the key word that Andrea just mentioned, like policy making maybe we kind of go through these and you identify which ones are policy making suggestions that could be implemented.

Without without three years of community input.

Yes. New initiative, we have to do. I would say this, the Vision Zero is a mix of current slash new, because I think based on the conversation, I think there could be a new implementation out of it. This here, we're definitely doing this with the TMP now, such conservation partners.

It's kind of a weird call, how we move forward with coding, but next meeting, we need to pick between six to 10 items to find out what's. Next meeting, we have to know six to 10 things. Yeah. How we do this, weird call.

Would you say that each of us bring six to 10? I wish you said.

We can't do a ranking for voting outside.

I think last time we each voted for the ones that we wanted to tell you how many each one got.

It could be your homework, and then I can present that. Okay. So we can still do, her question was, could we do homework assignment where you go in and you rank them, and then I can just present that in the public forum, what you provided to me, and then your decision would still be in the public forum.

Sarah, how do you want to rank them? Do you want to just rank them as what we think are high priorities, or do you want to rank them on levels of implementation, like, or have two different rankings?

Yeah, yeah. Maybe two different rankings, like levels of implementations and also high priorities of... Yeah, I don't know if they would fall as, I mean, maybe they do fall pretty plainly into current or new.

I guess anything that has any new is just a, would be... What must be pure things I want you to continue to make momentum on? Yeah, here are new initiatives I'd like for you to start. So you'd be ranking.

But I think that's just informational. I think our priorities are still our priorities, right? And then if we each pick, let's say we each pick 10, and then maybe next time we can choose the top eight or the top 10 that we want to be in there. And if you don't vote for it, then it's a vote for you know, if it doesn't get voted for, then it doesn't make it onto the new list.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could just like do that. I think that's kind of that negotiation within your, you know, if we maybe some of these, you provide the information current or new or whatever, then everybody could kind of like decide how many new or current they want to do or, you know, to kind of make that

Decision to sit back to you on next date. And then you guys have that then you all to go ahead and go through the gamut and see scores. Yeah.

Next time we can rank them. And if there's anything that doesn't have a lot of votes, then someone can make their case for it. And we can decide as a group. I think we might be starting to lose a little bit of steam today.

So we'll send it to you before next meeting. I'll create a framework for you to respond to. I'll give you a, yeah.

Could you do something then when you do that? So you'd have current and new. Could you also maybe have another category or even within those? And then it's just like current slash policy or new slash policy. So we know which ones are policy and which ones are a little bit more long-term. Yeah. So as we're going through that, we might pick a handful of each.

yeah Okay, because I think I think that's what we did last time, where we each we knew how many votes each one God, and then we were able to go from there, speaking of.

yeah yeah yeah that was like 130. yeah that's. me members, do we have right now is it.

So us and then one more that's... And then Coach O'Lan. Okay, so then we're all here.

We're missing one member. We'll start after them. Dr. Reyes. Okay.

The City Council will make a... We have applicants.

They just have to make a decision on that.

Okay.

So the person hasn't been assigned yet. There is an I at the left. I was going to say, I mean, like on the policy item, you know, like the child care one, I can see that being more than just a policy. So, you know, some of those, I guess it just kind of. It may be a little bit of a gray area, but that's okay.

Yeah, because you could do, like, on child care, it could be, like, it could be education. It could be a development code update. It could be, you know, that big list of all the zillion ways we could do that.

Well, I think, like, for that one, to me, it's the economic incentive policy. Like, does council want to review our economic incentive policy and add child care to that, you know, checklist? Like, the more checks you have on it, the more Economic incentives you can receive.

But then there's like city sponsored children activities and camps. That's part of that, which, yeah, it could be like totally different things.

Okay. So, so then again, or any of these that are like that, would you guys be able to say, you know, I think if this is a priority within this line, we just work on this one and say, okay, at least let's pull this out. Council, this is really important to the committee. would you like to add this to the incentive policy because it's here? And that's a super easy one where the rest of the initiative might take years. You hear what I'm saying?

We can just add like a descriptive addendum or whatever that says.

And I'm not saying that for that, but I'm saying if you've pulled that out of it so we could at least get this one going and add it to a policy that already exists, that could be moving along.

Yeah, that could be part of the final framework where it's like here's the quick action, here's the long-term action.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. All right.

So we can refine that next time based on where our ranking. Okay. Exactly. All right.

Cool. And then we'll have a place that we can all just put some notes too about like just that, like say if somebody, Robert sees one that goes, ooh, this could be pulled out because we don't see it. Then we have a place we can note that. Yeah.

And we can always add something back in if it doesn't get the votes. Right. Someone makes a really strong case for it.

Yeah. That's similar to what we did last time.

Yeah. Exactly.

All right.

Cool.

My last slide, just really quick, is our next steps. So you'll have some time. Our next meeting is October 5th. That should be on all of y'all's calendars already. It'll be again in this room. So I'll make sure to give you the full beforehand so you can really look at it. And that way I can also start to write some language based on what I've already heard you all say. You can revise during the next meeting, but like just some of your commentary I can attach with. the recommendation based off what I heard y'all talk about was important on it. New member potentially will be appointed in August. And so I'll catch them up for the October 5th meeting. But it'll probably be kind of up to them on whether they feel like voting at that next meeting. And then our meetings to P&Z and city council will be October 27th. So we don't have a ton of time until October 5th. and the 27th and then Council November 7th.

I think the new member should also take the poll. I mean, if they're an official member at that point, their choice is as valid as any of ours. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. And that's all I have for you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, I don't know.

Yeah, question and answer. Is there any press or public here to ask questions related to items on the agenda? So that takes us to adjournment. So I guess we can call it at 8.06 unless anyone has questions. Okay, yeah, I forgot it's a motion.

Okay. Amy Dabbs, For tournament. So, more. Yes. Amy Dabbs, Yes. Amy Dabbs, Yes. Amy Dabbs, Yes. Amy Dabbs, Yes. Amy Dabbs, Question. Amy Dabbs, So. Amy Dabbs, Bye bye.