Arts Commission - Regular Meeting

It's 05:32 on Wednesday, December 17. I call this meeting order.

Roll call. Roll call. No

problem. I can go through it tonight if you want me to. Here.

Here. Athlete. Here. That's like That's good. Yeah. And Jason Lee is Here. We have a quorum.

I have a quorum.

Next, please, commissioner introduction for the commissioner at the. Take your word.

I'm not sure what everybody wants or needs to know, but my name is Zaslyn.

Moved here in San Marcos in 2021, but I lived in North Austin since

2000 2008.

So I've been

in that area a while. Sales and marketing director by by trade, I think, on a regular basis. Yeah. And I with it so as far as art goes, I have my theater degree, theater performance, creative writing, and I'm also a certified chef. So those are really my artistic sort of endeavors. I still have

a talent agent for, like, films stuff.

So

I try to be involved and creative as possible for your art field. I'm happy to answer any questions that y'all wanna know or have conversations today just to get to know everybody.

Good to meet you as well.

Welcome. Great to have you here.

Thank you, Ashwin.

Yeah. I'm gonna go around real quick and say who we are. I was going to Oh. Sure.

I'm I'm Jason. I've been on, I think, about a year, maybe a little a little over a year. I'm now, I guess, vice chair of the commission. That just happened last week, so to speak. I'm a singer songwriter. It's kind of my thing, but I'm also an author and a guide, and I do work in the world of DEI and cultural heritage and science stuff, writing for that stuff. So kinda lots of lots of different stuff, and I run the San Marcos Songwriter Showcase, over at Tantra. Every other Monday we do a spotlight. Every Monday is I put lots going on there.

Cool. I'm Kelly King Green, and I'm the chair of the arts commission. And I've been serving on the arts commission since 2020. So started when we were on Zoom, which was funny, a weird time to start. And professionally, I am the creative director for the marketing and communications department at Texas State University. So that's what I do all day every day. Herd cats, creative cats. I just want to try to create outfit for the university. So, yeah, I I'm I'm I if you have any questions about Texas State, I could probably answer them. And, yeah, I do graphic design professionally.

That's what I'm trained in. That's what I do every day. But I really am a manager of creative talent. So

That's cool. That's needed.

Yeah. Yeah.

Hi there. I'm Jamie Poole. I'm originally from San Marcos. Grew up here, went to art school in New York and then stayed in the city, lived up there about twenty one years, worked in art studios, directorial agencies, art galleries. Moved back to Texas in 2017, joined the commission 2018, so I've been on a really long time. My tenure with the commission will be up in the New Year's, so if you know other people, that would be good. Please invite them to join the commission. And, yeah, it's a great place to be. It's fun.

I hate for you to wear mine.

I know. You need to get used to that. None of us wanna talk about that fact.

I wanted to sneak up on anybody. I'm sure. Alright.

Mean, it

goes by fast. It does. Yeah.

I was wondering, I'm Rick Garcia. I am also a theater director, not an actor. I called myself a writer for years, but I haven't written in forever. I had a career in primarily high school theater programs. I worked some with St. Edward and some with UT, some of the other universities I guess. And now I'm retired from the classroom, but I run a nonprofit or I support fairly rural educators and rural artists as they don't have contact with some of the urban artists. And so they come to me for training, I go to for them. I can work with a kid now. He just got as an actor and work at his Juilliard audition next month. Nice.

Very cool. Now it's really awesome.

And I have a property here, 20 acres just northwest of the city, and Hydraignes to continue it. It's sort of an artist community. Long goal is that we could provide cottages and house riders as well as continuing with the theater program program that are already there.

I'm Sarah Wingfield. It's nice to meet you. I grew up in Austin, born and raised, and I've been an artist my entire life since diverse varying disciplines. But my first degree is in dance from ACC. Second degree is in anthropology, cultural focus. I'm currently pursuing my master's in digital media communications, and I'm the digital media specialist for the Valdosta Center for Water and the Environment with the GlassDot and Boat Sower. And,

yeah, that's I'm

moving right down from, it's my greatest.

Oh, it must be. Oh, I'm so sorry.

Oh, well, a nice gift card. This is coming. No one has signed up, and there is no one along the line. Two minutes, consider approval by motion, the 11/19/2025 meeting.

I reviewed them. They look good by me, so I motion to approve if anyone else has reviewed them.

I'll second.

All those in favor?

Aye. Aye.

I think that was

now moving on. Heart policy, a whole discussion about heart policy. And here comes Christopher Paul. Hey, Christopher.

See if he stays in the room.

I miss.

The introduction of the Aslan.

Oh, hi.

Aslan. Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you.

You're okay.

Single juggler. I'm just kidding.

He's I have

have to say my wife was excited for me to move both of you.

Oh. Like I said, Jamie said, so we're do those real quick because they're with trucks. So let's see. So okay. You said that this doesn't match from the city's website. So I

That's not quite match.

Right. So And

I didn't know if that was on purpose.

I believe I think I was recording it, and I thought, well, I'm hard to do. So I'm going to go with my phone website. I'm going to yeah. Try.

This is the new policy that y'all sent us in that, one or two of us did something with.

Yes.

Well done, Jamie.

Oh, It was going to be on the first meeting in at Kenilfelsa where we had no voting on it. Right. It had been pushed back. Oh. So y'all one more time now today. Okay.

Great.

And somebody can make a motion to put on the vote when we get to that.

Okay. I think we can totally go through it, you know, in this granular fashion, but I would say that overall, my takeaway was that it was really thorough and really good and covered most instances that I could envision and thoroughly explained, like, the processes by which. So I thought it was really good and will be, like, a super valuable tool for the commission to have, for the community, for potential art. Like, it's like, here's how things are done. So I thought overall it was really good. I did have some strike throughs and all my notes were also in red. My primary consideration when thinking through this was maintenance. Because I

know that's been pretty nebulous for y'all as staff of what the maintenance policy looks like, what's a budget allocation from maintenance. So this if I was gonna look stand for one paragraph, it would be this paragraph.

Maintenance is addressed later on. Okay. There were a couple instances that I took issue with, like, that if somebody gifts an artwork to the city, that they should also give money

for, like think that's when we get downtown Good to know. Okay. So I added this last this sentence here, maintenance outside the scope with general upheaval. We contracted with this specific. So that Perfect. Do that. Thank you. That. Perfect. When you have this about the RP and the RFQ, I added that. I want to check your change. Yep.

You gotta hear.

Reject it. Reject Are

these the terms in the policy? Is this the definition of terms?

Yes. Yes. Okay. And, also, because, like, mean, RFQ can also mean request for a quote. Quotation. That's why I thought, well, it's probably good that we put it in that we need

Yep. In this instance, we mean qualifications. Right?

And then here where he said, is it the only media cited in the law? Yes. It is because it's visual arts.

So Okay. Because I know in, like, in our mission statement that's online, there's, like, a lot of media listed. But that's part of

a law for visual artists on their their prop it's their property. It's just this. Yeah.

Okay. That makes sense. Cool.

And if you click here on it, it gives you the whole shabane. Right. Let's finish that one, Mac. I I thought we're not gonna do that because right now we're kind in flux. It's gonna be whatever's in the division we're not finding something. That's what

it I just wasn't sure if, like I mean, this document will be accessible by the public. Right?

Yes. And it'll be probably something that we review every couple of years. Okay. Because the last time it was reviewed was I don't what was. Yeah. And but it was I think it was confusing all this time. Is it mainly the way when I read it, thought this is about people bringing art to that's what it used to be when, of course, first done in o five. Right. Because somebody goes, here's some sculptures. Yeah. Put them out front. So then they all, oh, we got a policy. And so it was about telling us this form because you want the city to buy the yard. So it definitely it's been confusing for all of us. Was like, well, it has to go to Kelsey. What has to do this? What has to do that? What are the steps?

So It needed a total. Yeah.

So it went from five patients to 22.

Right. Exactly. Well, that's right.

This is

reading this as if, you know, if if I'm an outside person, you know, just, you know, part of the public, and I'm like and it keeps mentioning the art staff. And I'm like, well, who you know, if you're just a person, you're like, well, who is the art staff? How do I get in touch with them?

Yeah. So because we have arts at sanmarcostx.gov. Right. It goes to all three of us.

Oh, yeah. I was just gonna say anything that, like, that might be updated data wise over time. And what we do with the because I oversee a lot of university policy and procedure documents. And we push to our website constantly, and we keep our website updated. And so the backbone is, like, the backbone is the website for, like, brand compliance, and we just link in the document. That way we update our website, and then the policy stays

stays active. Because because we'll have to do our arts page, but also then the city arts page.

Right. So for example, in this, you could just link to the current AHRQ staff contact us page, and then it's always accurate.

Yeah. On here. Through this. Android view, like, my heart. Do it's it's for when somebody brings up and goes, oh, would really like the arts commission to buy this whatever. We will review it. And then he decides, yeah, this is something that the arts commission might wanna look into, or this is something that doesn't fit.

I guess I just felt like that was superfluous. I just thought art staff works with the arts commission to select public art projects. Period.

Well, what it is, the the review part of their team, just in case somebody goes, oh, well, I I wanted this to go to the arts commission, and there's a review process first through city staff. It's the first step. Right. First step. So you may not go to second step. So that that's mainly what it is.

Then maybe and review and recommend artwork projects.

And you're thinking there could be a better way to say it.

Yeah. Like, like, meet minimum requirements for, you know, the arts commission's consideration or something.

We're forwarding on to Mhmm. I'm that that's all I You said about the. I'll put it down here. I guess I put it I got it in there for you.

But If I may.

And I expect this video is updated. Left until I could answer your question.

Yes. I was just curious.

Yeah. So it's not like what was hit on the budget point. It's, like, up to 15% what you'll see if that's gonna be used for us. He never got all that money. So it's token considered you have to have that that fund so that it's part of the money that we can't go beyond 15% of them. 15% pays for own car. Of total HOT collections.

15% pays for the program, including staff.

Right. It's to 15%. We've never got 15%. Right. But let's say it's let's let's say HOT is hotel occupancy. Let's say let's say we collect 10,000,000 for the You make it around yeah. Yeah. Okay. 15% of that can be used for us. Fifteen second is 30 stores. That doesn't mean we would never get 15%. Right. You still get to XML. But the money that is on staff and staff counts toward that 15%. That's It does. I just am surprised that city staff are paid a lot of a different. No. All of the service. All all visit it's all hotel. I've got a whole bunch.

So Okay. The I don't know about the benefit matching stuff. That's probably that's about my pay rate for understanding that.

That seemed wild to me, but I okay. I guess the answer is yes.

I That's right. Too. Well,

the history would be one of

the other C staff positions me.

Yeah. That's why

I went I was like, wait. Was like, wait. What? Yeah. Would think

that everything could be paid out of a child. That's not

When they pulled us in in 2016, we're all. Yeah.

Have multiple multiple accounts paying for salaries.

On this one here where you have and additional funds Grants or donations. Do I know what's additional funds to? I thought grants and

Let me see. Your grants or donations received in the other fund. Hold on. What section are we in?

Funding. Here. Problems funding. But besides what the money we get, the only other thing could be I

mean, couldn't it come I guess I was trying to lay the groundwork for, like, money that comes from other places. That is not a grant or a donation or a HOT. I was just trying to, like, ask why it's

not Yeah. That money comes other

Exactly. We've got some leftover grant money from general this year that we said we were gonna apply to. I don't know. I guess I'm just trying to be like as openly

vague so that we can do that. What if money comes from? I don't know. Somewhere else.

I don't know what the additional funds would be.

I didn't have a plan

of what those additional funds would I just wanted to

make sure we could use them. I just wanna keep it as simple as possible

because that's It's manifesting,

I like this.

I like this.

Money So fun. For art is just gonna come. Edition funds.

I'm not gonna put it down here where it mentions grants.

If you think it's stupid, please check it out. That was just a succumb to me.

We're gonna get additional funds next year when you're not here, and we're gonna be like, we Amy's spoken

about it. Fixing my heart, breaking value, and overall vision. I thought that was good. Okay. Cool. Accepted that one. And if I who? It would be my yeah.

The AARP

100 is recommended. Project plan. If that

I think that needed to be clear. Like, again, if I was a member of the public, they're like, recommended how. And if I I think it needed to just say, if the project is recommended by so and so and so and so, That was more like less me asking in touch and with me more asking for clarity or do I receive?

That's like the same comment earlier of what's the first step.

Yeah. So this is because we're talking about the pro we're gonna have a project plan for you guys. Mhmm. Mhmm. So if you go, oh, I wanna put up this cool thing. There'll be a project plan that has, like, the scope of that in there. Right. So then if it is recommended by you guys, then we'll put it on the agenda to your protocol.

If the project plan is recommended, it is in place

So it can be recommended by y'all or Recommended by a nominating entity? Recommended by us if we recommend this stuff. The department comes in and we look at it go, that's good. Or it could be like, hey. I wanna do a basketball court mural. You fill this thing out. You look at the gold. Recommended.

Or should

Could it be recommended by some outside entity, like the San Marcos Public Library Yeah. For example?

Or That's gonna be a little bit different form because they wouldn't know what's to be part of. Faster plan.

Right. Yeah. And maybe it's

good just to keep it the way you have. Just if it's recommended around. Yeah.

Think so.

Oh, I said yes. So the patent principle is for commission works.

Right.

Great. This part here Right. Like It's gonna be in it's gonna be in the

Contract? Contract. Okay.

So Yeah. That's what

I was worried because basically, you're putting the onus on y'all. Right. We all know what we're talking about. We're trying to avoid the issue that occurred in the past. So I was like, why don't we maybe we also need to say that the artist has to check-in at next day.

Yeah. We we didn't. The officer didn't get one.

I see. So it will be in the contract.

Yeah. It's strongly worded. Understood.

Yes. It'll be required.

Sorry. I'm making so All good. Yes. I added the line here. Cool. Got it.

Did we miss our acquisition process for?

Yeah. I thought that was good too, so we can just see that one there.

Oh, the one above? Okay.

One I hear about the price of the work mails that we negotiate.

Yeah. I thought that I mean, we've done that in the past. I think it's an important thing to say.

Yeah.

That we're that the arts staff or arts or whomever is able to negotiate first. With art or arts.

I know if I go back tomorrow, I won't remember. When you negotiated down.

We are cheap. We're we're only one week.

Associations usually The answer to this is so for temporary art, it's not something that would have to go to the capsule.

Right. That's what I figured. I just wanted to make sure.

Just wanted to make sure. And

is was there a definition of temporary?

I did what?

Is there a definition of temporary or, like, how long?

That's a question. I have a different definition of definitions. Mhmm.

Right. I

feel like I've had more strike throughs that I'm not seeing here, but maybe they're already taken out, which

is fine. They have I've taken the strike keys out and we'll put the words in there and then just highlighting. Got it. Yeah.

Because I remember taking off those.

I'm gonna take that. Oh, I'm gonna take that out because when it the neural part of what if it's gonna go through a co op, they'll they could either these are old artists.

Owner can select their own person. Yeah.

I was just worried about them selecting an artist that we think is Well, they were there when when they when they ask us about it, you know, we

could Okay.

You don't think it needs to say with approval?

Well, Well, we have to approve the final design, so if it looks like, yeah, we're not gonna do it. Okay. There there's a whole, contracting on too also. Cool.

Okay. So if a business wants to support our we'll still work with them. If they choose it, we just have some process. Right?

Right. So, like, with with the they wanted to put that mural there. We wish we would have paid for it. We just did this standard what we would pay, an artist, and we pay half. Mhmm. But the artist then chose it was more expensive, so they paid the difference of that. I remember when And they they showed us the they showed us, you know, what the design was and who the artist was. Didn't pay us. Cool. Okay.

This this is funds equal to 10%. That doesn't mean that the donor does that. That means if somebody's donating a sculpture that's a $100,000, we as ours I see. We can put 10% aside I see. For for, maintenance. And if it's gonna be something that's really, oh, that's gonna be high maintenance, well, should put more aside and maybe even that would be the only time I would

Okay. So you're saying the donor would not do that. Okay. That was not clear to me. I was like, why are we asking the person who maybe is giving us something expensive? No.

They're not able to accept it.

We'll also pay them. That's not cool. Okay. Got it. As long as that is clear. But

Oh, I think we have the requirements to save maintenance money.

This is about the loan that is covered under temporary. Saffron's not seem to a surcharge line with the artwork loan. Okay. So if it's a it's it's not a type of donation or gift because it's just on loan. On loan. Okay. I mean, there's some other loan stuff in here, but it's a book with temporary.

I was thinking more like, you know, with the with the exhibition that happened with the five different locations around front for the one artist. Like, if we, you know, if the Price Center or somewhere on campus wanted to borrow a famous artwork by that artist specifically for that show, I wanted to make sure that that instance would also be covered, like where the city No. If the kites went somewhere else. Or like not where the where the owner of that art comes to us and says, hey. I'm happy to loan this to you, but the opposite, where we go to them and we're like, we want to borrow this painting specifically for the sex edition. I wanted to

make sure that was covered. Where the Yeah. That was the art staff other type take for art, just like with the kite thing.

Okay. Where the art staff or commission request to borrow a work? Yes. I mean, the kite thing, we're more renting it.

Okay. I'm not sure enough. Hang know on.

This is somewhere like it's okay. This is a really great

I'm really grateful for y'all and and for everybody that's involved with this.

I mean, I I did run

through it. I can't believe they made this thing. It's really it does.

Pretty good.

And I

will say

I I did have a chance to read a few pages and skim over it. Know, I didn't really know what to say on, like, editing or anything. But I will say, like, it was very informative to me. Knowing what I'm getting myself into. So

You know what? Ahead of the game because before we go hard. Think we wanna do this. We kinda like Mhmm. Yeah. Step into that. As I added the No. I was living that

I think I like the cream. Surveys. So

if you That's a good idea.

Option, then maybe consider, will the RBC no longer yeah. Yeah. I wanted to say if not only is it deemed no longer appropriate for its current site, I wouldn't have to wait for us to just say or under any extrinsic. Yes. Just

trying to broaden that. Be like, this just can't be here.

We've got we've got some experiences as a group.

There was another line where it said, like, how long we have to wait. Oh, yeah. And I was like, oh, no. Three years

is way too long. I think also by the time I got down there Yeah. I borrowed bits and pieces from it.

From other cities. That's what I was guessing. I was I mean, I was what was the thing about I was thinking about that. I was thinking about during the pandemic and BLM and these civil rights monuments that were being toppled and vandalized and stuff. And I'm like, how long do you leave a monument there? Yeah.

It's a PO.

And I thought three years is like spitting in the face of public. I was like, okay, six months seems like a knee jerk reaction, but three years seemed like, well, so I said eighteen months.

So my thought was- By eighteen months,

you can tell if the public really hates the worker. Yeah. Well, I

was thinking more of when the mermaid, the the map mermaid was put at, Eddy Durham Park. Uh-huh. Right. They I don't know how long it took us to get it moved because it wasn't until it came under us that I was like, then let's just move it. Right. Because Right.

Let's respond to the public.

Yeah. There was no need. Well saying

this has nothing to do with any drugs.

But it certainly had been eighteen months it certainly had been eighteen months by then.

Oh, it would probably be longer than that.

I thought three years was too long, but six months is too short. That was my gut reaction. What did I say to you?

Oh, yeah, I agree with this. I think I was thinking it when it was a bigger piece of art. You know? What am

I disagreeing with? What did I say?

To consider Oh, that you have to have it for ten years? Yeah. Only after being in

the collection. Yeah. I just wrote disagree on this. Yeah.

It could be in the collection. Like, did y'all read the thing about San Antonio? There's a bunch of stuff in their collection. They were just they don't know where they were. They put up in a warehouse that markets. Somebody didn't like

You can't even find it. Oh. Be informed by to show works of art come to show the permanent display. Only be considered for deep session, but also the word only is in their choice. After being in the collection for a minimum of ten years, I think five. And I just wouldn't say a number of years at all.

Yeah. I'm just gonna take this whole thing off. We

We have, like, a Indiana Jones warehouse full of

hearts. Dark is the name I recommend. Yeah.

It's that it's that warehouse behind Buttbug, bro.

That's what matters.

It is. It's the side

of a future performing arts center. Damn she ain't called it.

It's okay.

Mean, I don't know if you agree with HD most of our

I just thought that 300. And and you probably should say the amount of times. I don't know. I think that sounds good.

I don't know. Guys, how do you feel about this? So they're saying a piece can be deaccessioned or moved after, see this point, significant adverse public reaction has been documented over an extended period of time, and this says a minimum of three years.

Three years is a long time for people to behave in it. Yeah. And like everybody telling you. I think, I mean, yeah, I mean, definitely at eighteen months-

Do you have to put a term, a timeframe on it? Maybe. Or can you take it off?

Yeah, can we just say significant?

Then

somebody's As going to want to deemed by the Arts Commission. As deemed by the Arts Commission. Like

put, significant adverse birth has been documented over its extended period makes it so I don't know.

I think we probably have to have something.

I personally like the eighteen months. You think that feels good? Yeah. Because it it it gives the commission basically time to gather data and be able to kind of quantify it and then respond again in that reasonable amount of time without dragging it on and on and making it seem like they don't care what they believe.

I also kinda felt like it's long enough so that if it's just one or two loud voices Right. It gives time for that to cool off Exactly. And other people to speak or whatever. You know what I mean? So I don't want it to feel too pasty, but I don't

want to feel

too I

do think,

you you gotta give it to him.

Once a month, you know how things just take a while sometimes. Okay. Now how many?

It's a Eighteen months.

The bowel. They recommend getting rid of it because I laughed.

Work does not meet the artistic standard or match the specific plan set forth in the proposal.

Does that sound familiar? Oh, yeah.

Mhmm. I felt like that was useful to say.

I drove by it, and I think I'm paranoid, but I think I saw something in the bottom of it. Oh. I mean, I think I'm paranoid also. I wasn't walking. I was driving.

It it doesn't really grow on me since I go by every day. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And if you go when the sun is hitting me, there's not anything in it since the

the first time. That's good. Well, then good.

Anyway, that's that's a discussion for another time.

Yes.

Sure is. Yes.

K. Long board. Alright. We're at the bottom. Your two general questions.

Standard, like, time artwork remains on view. Need to be made more clear.

Kind of like what Jason was saying. Like, do we like, are these defined like, permanent artwork is on view at least one year. Temporary artwork is on view for x amount of time. Like, is you know, if I'm

a if I'm a of the business. I think in temporary, it says under less than twelve months or something

like that. I would just make sure that that's clear for anyone who's using this as a resource, both permanent and temporary. Since before coming on the commission, that was news to me that permanent heart only has to be on view for a year.

Yeah. I mean, if we're just gonna be tossing George's never seen each one. So What'd saying?

I don't think it's of art that are created to be public place for a limited period. Shant one. Greater than one. And

then is permanent art in there also?

So the permanent must be any art that's intended to last for more than one year?

It's at least one.

That kind of implied. Or

it has to be one year more.

Anyway, I I don't wanna get too

I think it's important

to think. Yeah. Because, I mean, like, you think of something like the Trolls, know, if that's permanent art yet, It's made to deteriorate. So we got I will put permanent art. I think it had that on here. I think people need not Yeah. Took it out for some reason.

Think the things that are meant to disintegrate or go back to the.

ECO art. Should we have a eco art section?

Oh. Yes.

Yeah. If we define it, they'll give it to us.

More of that manifesting. We are in a policy document, and the creativity won't stop. Okay.

Didn't see anything this year, but I remember the first year that I went to Sights and Sounds, they had a tree out of plastic bags and a tree out of bottles and stuff. I thought that was so clean.

Love it. Don't fuck that. Yeah.

We gotta stay on we gotta stay on agenda.

Alright. I'll never forget.

Stay on.

Can we add it to the discussion next time?

Yeah. Yeah. Because know that they've had, like, the recycle art contest and stuff

too. Mhmm. You got that?

Says one item. It's really killer. Vice chair, you got the votes.

So what is it again?

Sorry for Just go art.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, hasn't been much.

Yeah. But don't know.

Okay. Now last one, I'm gonna say no because each one is different. Okay. Some of they 50. Some of need 70. Some of they need. Okay.

So that's determined by the ARBIS?

By negotiation. Yeah.

Okay. That ends up in the contract.

Okay. Yes. So

so I guess we need to decide as a group if we wanna content like, it's more people are gonna contribute to this?

Well, it says consider approval of our motion. Like

It's it's pretty good law. It really was.

So I think the question is, are we are any of us gonna go through and read it

Oh, right.

Our comments Correct. Now that the deadline is extended, do we wanna

I see what

you're saying. Give ourselves the opportunity to read through it individually and offer more insight, or do we wanna approve what we just worked through on the spot? Those are the options. Right?

Yeah. Good. The next thing is consider approval on the motion of the policy, and it can be approved as they as changes that were made or whatever. Or if they would like postpone this to weekly. K. So if you think

you're Who's gonna go in and make edits and and offer insights beyond what we just did?

Who's gonna

do that?

I'm not going to commit to that.

Do we feel good

with Jamie's recommendation? We wanna just approve it?

More thorough

than Jamie's.

Well, that's how much we believe her.

She's very welcome. Let's do it.

Okay. The next steps would be if y'all vote to approve it. They didn't have to go to City Manager's office. They'll probably redline it and Okay. Do whatever until it gets to a point then it goes to cancel.

Mhmm. So Okay. And this could be revisited again in two years if Yeah.

Should do it so that it could be an annual thing.

I think it's a super useful document. I don't know how long it took you to put this together, but I'm impressed. It's really good.

Okay. I

vote that we accept the AHRQ policy as outlined at tonight's meeting with the recommended changes.

I second that. You vote. Okay.

All those in favor?

K. Seven zero. Okay.

Thank you, Jamie, for getting things done. Stop. Take the compliment. Okay.

Press and hold. Now you're on you wanna do this first, or do you wanna do the Trapping loss. Trapping loss.

Oh, it's almost Remember? That

is not how long the the Never mind.

No. We need to just follow it.

So the discussion is on potential community yard project? Yes.

Didn't see anything. We're just having an open discussion about community.

Well, it's a continuation. It's a continuation of before, but you

have some leftover general funding money, so it doesn't have for the bathroom.

We were talking about the women's shelter and and some other section eight. How's it? So we tossed around a couple ideas.

Yeah. Whatever y'all want.

Well, you guys were gonna Steph was gonna touch base with those entities. If I look at the actual items from last time, Steph was going to touch base with the organizations that run those

locations to see if that's enough. I don't see. Okay.

That was the next step that I was on. Okay.

Well, for those of y'all who weren't at the meeting last time, we kind of narrowed the possibilities to don't know if I'd

say it was narrowed. We had some good ideas.

We had some good ideas.

We saw

The two that rose to the top. We have lots of ideas. The two that rose to the top were some public art, remind me, CPC, of the location that you were really Oh, dear. Park area.

Oh, veterans. Veterans part of my

The veterans part, which is needs some we talked slept.

Yeah. For a long time about how the group agrees that that needs

some community But they that is on the parking lots or the planning requirements, long term plans to do something. It's gonna be a few, like, two years or whatever till they start that. I don't know if it maybe something temporary unless it's something that can go there and take it away because they're gonna redo the whole park.

Well but I also remember us talking about the community housing project near Veterans Park Yes. And doing a community based mural with young people training them to do

Wait. I'm quite where the hell are you in very light

Chapultepec.

Is

that how

you say it? Chapultepec housing?

Yes. Something like that. Is that the ones that were there? Yes. You talked

about trying to do murals on the pillars that hold this kind of

pyramid thing at the entryway. Yep. So that was a discussion of there was the park, and then there's that zone. Everybody has a big arc for that zone. We did talk about El Centro. We dis we discussed some other projects that we know are gonna come to El Centro. I don't who's going home. So we kind of backburner that as a location or a potential community project. And then we also talked about the staff going and seeing if there's anything we could do at the Hays County Women's Shelter and see if there's anything at their group home or you know, it's very private. So it was Right.

It wouldn't be like a public facing art, but it would be something an underserved community. So that's kind of those were the two communities we were very like, we want to

keep these communities. Also, like like, even if it's a living room shelter, maybe there are some of the people that are staying there that would then could help paint paint the project. Or if it's at the, housing authority housing, it could be something we maybe have mentor muralists that show the people that you know, young people that live there how this is how you go about it. So then it's almost like a a career move for them to learn how to do these kinds of things. So Yeah.

Jason was really advocating that we invest in in expanding some education through this program. Well, mean,

yeah, to summarize my point of it, while I think that a dedicated project makes a lot of sense, I I think there's also an opportunity. We have $17. If you gave an artist a grand a month and a little bit of a budget, what could they do with it? And I think that that's a really creative way to do something with this money that isn't just a one and done thing. It creates a an atmosphere of, like, not just, like, casually supporting the arts, but, like, actively supporting an artist to go out and make a change. And, you know, call it what was the names that we called it? Like, a artist on there's a name for it. Resi. Resi. Yeah.

Art no. Art that whatever term you wanna call it. Yeah. The the idea that we just empower somebody to go around making art. No. It's not a full time job. No. It's not. But it's a grant to make art and a little bit of a budget. And I think

that there's something to There's

plenty of artists that'd be like, yes.

Yeah.

If that's a competition or something like that that we aim to do annually, I think with this money, we have to think about how can we, although that would be magical for one person, and maybe they could bring a lot of joy to the community with that money and through whatever they create. But I'm concerned about for this nugget, since it's general fund, affecting the largest number of people that we can. And whether that be a whole neighborhood or a whole neighborhood through a park or something like that, I don't know. I feel I feel

Well, I mean

That's a little more of a guarantee, but I do like the idea of us working towards sponsoring some kind of residency would be awesome.

But if we gave them the mission of go out and make as much of an impact as you can

Right. Then that would be part of

it.

So then when we have some

project to the council and Yes. So have to be approved by council?

Everything has to be approved by the council forever. I mean, like, can we say for

For community or funding?

Can we just say under this umbrella, go out and do stuff and that council approves the umbrella? You

know, like, that that artist separate. Let us know what we're gonna I'm gonna do it in this location. So, yeah, there there's there's ways.

Yeah.

But that would be a one and done thing. We wouldn't necessarily have to do it right now either. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Please. I I have this, like, half baked idea that is encompassing a lot of this stuff. It it's very, so walk with me. The Austin Emerging Arts leaders had a mentorship program. I'm hearing that we could do maybe an artist in residency provided that they also are educating at least one emerging artist from the community either every month, once a quarter, or just one specific person, but the art itself has to benefit the general San Marcos community.

Mhmm. And then they present a proposal for something to be big and cool and something different every single month. As long as that proposal incorporates all of that stuff, then that proposal is approved by everybody and then goes to city council one time, but they know what's going to happen for the full year.

So with that, that brings the next question. Do we have a because, you know, to put out some kind of call and invite people to make these proposals is gonna take time. Do we have to spend this $17,000 within a certain amount of time? What's our deadline of to spend that?

September 30.

The 2026. '26.

And now can we spend it and then the work goes on from there? Do they need to, like, okay. Yeah.

We could the money could be allocated to this And and and spent.

Sure. We have to write the check by then. K.

I just wanna share that I was trying to think of communities that don't apply for grants. Yes. And my brain was really, like, very practical. Like, who don't who don't we see during the grant application process in our community? Who's not gonna stand at the podium and ask for money? Like, who aren't we seeing? And so that's what was scoping the project in my mind. We're like, what are those communities? You know? Who who is in who is in those underrepresented communities that doesn't hasn't gotten a grant yet? Because that's how I wanna distribute the grant, you know, like, to somebody who It's a good idea. So that's kinda where that's why I was The

the those community grants can only go to 100 and 50. So there's a lot of really good ideas out there where you could start with, like, hot money if we can get a creative team or something like that where creative business can do it because it's tourism. Those people can't they they know how many have come to us before saying, hey. This a great idea, but it's really community focused, but they're not a nonprofit. Right. Right. So could we not give the money to an individual artist? Is that what you're saying? Oh, you you don't get You see what I'm saying?

I mean, I feel like we're still in that same get 30 f

artist who's gonna

go to A nonprofit. Right? It has to be either

a nonprofit Yeah. Or if it's a program where we like like, let's say we did the mentorship thing where we hired an artist the the arts commission. I

mean, is community grant money. Yeah. We have to be discretionary about where we spend it and how. I'm not trying to cut off your good idea.

No. No. This is what this conversation is.

It's been us awarding a tourist and us choosing a tourist seems the same thing. They're not in a profit in either instance. I think we get the money to

an artist's fault since we You're paying for a service versus here's money. Go do your thing.

So it's like we're hiring them like a contract?

Yeah. So, like, let's say let's say you wanted to do a mural at the women's shelter. Y'all it would be y'all's project. You're you're

We're the nonprofit. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see.

And we're hiring this what we want it to be. I see. We're working with them. So we

would Do we have enough

money? I

just I

just don't know how much he costs, but the our our guy that did the mural, Jason, right, wasn't that his name? Music or whatever? Is

that can detail the huge mural?

The little where we had the biggest turnout.

Mosaic project.

Yeah, mosaic. Mosaic, not mural. Oh, Chirp Musax. Chirp Musax. Yeah. He knocked it out of the park. Why not have why not have another one of our biggest activations by bringing him back for another one?

Good. But we could we could pay him with hot money. Okay. Right. This is a very special pot that we've never had before.

I think it'll be

so limited in who we can give it to.

Well, you could so let's say you wanted to do the ones at the, housing authority's homes. That would be a project of the arts commission so then we could pay.

So Someone has a contract.

As a con you're contracting with the the the August, it will be the mentors, and then you're paying a stipend to the young people learning the skill. You know, nobody's doing anything for free here. So Right.

And what if there's a stipulation that it has to be for their surgical duties?

Yeah. Well, it doesn't have to be for a. It can be

They could be public.

I mean, wherever you would you know? Because there, it could be it would be public. If they do it, like, on panels, you see it driving down the street. So it wouldn't be just for that community, but people would drive by. I

mean, is this an opportunity for us to starting is this an opportunity for us to do the art trail since it's community money, this will be our community.

That could

be a hot money, though.

That could be hot money too.

Yeah. That's hot.

It's on a May it's on a May thoroughfare.

Let's keep

it We're gonna use this money for things that can't use hot dogs.

All of a sudden, y'all go, oh, we wanna do this. And I'm going, well, you

know, what's the Not tourism.

Yeah. It doesn't have given to somebody else. They need y'all's project, but that it's done in community. That's what we're talking about using it in, like,

a tucked away neighborhood or a small park that tourists don't visit, you know, that it's for the community and we don't even have to worry about.

Don't have to worry about it for once, right?

Also just to bring it up, we're, the vast majority, 90% or 80% of the funds that we help allocate for public art are tied to tourism. And so, you know, the proposals or we as a group have to prove all that are remote San Marcos tourism, search visitors, that kind of thing. And we're often frustrated by the fact that we're really limited in projects that we want to serve the citizens not but that don't necessarily serve tourism. And so this is a chance for us. That's why there's so much discussion. This is a chance for us to fulfill a different kind of a project that we wanna do.

Well, I will just be the marketer that I am and say that, I mean, obviously, both of these potential projects are deserving. But one has a public facing component and will garner goodwill and build rapport for the city and how we spend the money. You know? And I think that's that is a housing. You know? And I'm not trying to be mean, but I think that that it it so many wins. You know? And, also, it adds some visible art to a part of town that we all want art to be. So

I don't know where this is.

Is it?

It's right. It's coming with

the 81 year old. Talking eighty five thousand.

Right.

4,005 thousand. Mean, it's a small like, if you're gonna deal with this wall, that's not gonna be a $17,000 mural.

Mhmm. Right. We also talked about maybe, like, creating a little art program for people in residency at the shelter and then putting that at the Price Center and doing a show to promote the good work that they do. So Alright. Thanks. Body. Spiraling. Raynace and Rich, please.

Raynace, they're all wonderful ideas, and I respect everybody's input. But my head keeps me back to, and y'all all know sort of my platforming call is, as much as I love the artists that we have supported and the art that's around town, I think we're redundant in girls. Think we're redundant in trying to do another mosaic. We're done in another sculpture. Okay. And so it's and I've come on board as can we broad? Can we start seeing things that, you know, in my example, it's always multimedia. I would love to one day, almost $17,000 to the computer multimedia water fountain that we're projecting digital art on this moving water It's raining of sand markets. Still love that idea. A projection. If we work with Parks and Rec, we're doing projection on a flowing river, and that rotates. We've had that 17,000 to pay for that. But my point is

Actually for the Okay. Good start.

I liked your idea about artist in residency and finding an artist. Let's see where their heart goes. But, immediately, I went to I've got projects I'd like to do. But then where are we gonna put where does it go? And they go, and they they and and Of the two that we have mentioned, I haven't let go of Veterans Park.

I think we might do a commission something for that park that we know might could change, have to be relocated while it's under renovation. I think it's much more popular than the other. The others would be limiting. If we're doing murals on a housing project, that's very limiting. You're you're there was always parameters. If we go to the shelter, I went to that artist that we fund every year that does writing projects in the prison with women. And I went to and Barthesen's written word, and was awful. The written word is not

Yeah. I know.

Can I piggyback off of this? I don't know if it I don't know if this needs to be, like, permanent, but if okay. I was just reading about how and I already know personally how movement genuinely helps process grief and emotion. What if we do work with the women's center and women's shelter and either do a combo of writing and dancing, which is amazing.

Yeah.

There's also something called the Justice Project that one of my mentors used to to do, and she would go into communities and help them both write and and dance through their grief. So something like that.

Well, and there's been a

lot of violence in the town lately. Is there a way for us to use this as a way to combat an interesting weird little moment of violence that's going around here? How can we create a more peaceful world in our

That's where I went to the Veterans Memorial. That's where I was there. And not only honoring the local veterans, but You

talked about Veterans Parks. Not Veterans Parks or Veterans Park. Right. Because when you said that about the light system, like, there's things like, depending on where that is, that that temperature is about. So this could even be a mix of something. You know? But, I don't know if I was showing y'all the ones. They they're like these light things that hang, but when you bang them together, they make sound. So if there's some kind of installation even if it's temporary, like, installation Well So that Yeah. That part. There. That's something you know, it's kind of like it's it's a joyful thing. It's like, when I first went through this park, and I'm like, oh, they make sound. And, you know, I like, I'm a grown up kind of and, you know, it's like it was just such it's a joyful thing, and then we went around and smack them together. The thing Durham Park

is amazing to have those two or three musical installations at at the park on MLK where they do the Yeah.

And this this set of those lights, you know, so that's when they whack whack together, the lights change. And so something like that, I can get with I was more worried about AV versus kind of a permanent in the ground thing, and then we don't think that just three years from now,

we can Go with the park that we're you know, we know it's gonna change. We we just proceed with cautions. A piece that is that we can relocate and reinstall or that we can add as parks and rec. Can you consider this piece that we have funded in your vision for Well,

I mean, speaking of projection mapping and projection art, it's actually way more doable and cheaper than ever, and you can probably get tech that could live outside that is picked by the artist, and then the artist could also probably be hired for $17. I mean, like, there are several new programs for projection mapping that make it way easier than ever, and so any graphic design artist with those abilities can be brought in on us. It's like used to.

I think it's the the equipment is quite concerned.

It's $3,000 for the projection machine, $2,000 for for for a, you know, for a housing. You still got $12 for the artist. I mean, call call it $10 for the artist, $2 for a couple other things.

That just for a temporary

Well, yeah, I mean, like, it was we could reuse this again, but it could be really great at a place that we know is gonna be messed within a couple years.

I think we need to I I think we need to hold up. I'm like, we need to visit Veterans Park. The last time I've been there, I remember it, and it has been a while since I stopped by, just being very small and very quaint and very neighborhoody. I'm not sure that this would be location. Because if

it goes, like, up to weeks when there's It's like kinda long. Place. I was running this before. There's a bend in approach. Yeah. I'm not

sure that this is the place for a for. But let me finish my Sorry. Even if these great ideas that we're considering don't particularly mesh with Veterans Park, I think we need to be talking to the parts department as they're redoing that part to to make arts a component.

Yeah. We

wait don't until the end.

Like, they

always make it through where we just try and sweat some art. And maybe you're talking to them now like, hey. What is this redo for this part? Look. Look. How can we make the because it's it's a little bit smaller of a park. Like, maybe art is makes it into the scene, like we've talked about forever. Right. Or into the labor equipment or, you know, in all these different ways or whatever, like, maybe the bit you know, whatever. But we should be talking with parks, like

We are. And what we consider this other. Yeah. So okay. And it's also beyond parks. It's planning and whoever the people are.

Yeah. Okay. There's a real opportunity to make it beautiful.

We keep doing this, you guys. This is great. Okay. I'm hearing I'm hearing some clear next steps. I'm hearing we need to reach out to see if the women's shelter is open to a variety of art, anything from dance to written word to poetry, performance, potentially mural, art program. Like, we are really curious if if they're open to a project, and we know that that's a sensitive place. So it might not they might be like, no way. Yeah.

Our therapy, whether that's things or or whatever.

Totally. Okay. And then another next step, I heard Jamie say we should walk Veterans Park. Because we keep talk we keep talking about so I think a group, we should figure out a time where, you know, those of us who can go are willing to get together and go walk in. And then

I don't think I was drawing, like

It's a weird little pocket. It's hidden. It's really close to I-thirty 5 Swaggerhouse. Service Road.

And by the softball fields, but on the other side of Centimeters Alley and I still haven't mentioned a thing though, so I'm gonna burst if I don't get to it. I think there's a really obvious opportunity. Projection mapping mixed with an artist in residence, mixed with communities, organizations. We could get an artist in residence, a digital artist in residence, give them the gear. Every month, they have a new nonprofit, a new organization, a new neighborhood that we sit them up on, and we use that month to get to raise funds, to bring awareness to their thing and their issue.

We've got an artist that we give money to on the regular. We bring art communities that maybe it can't stay there forever, but it can be there for month and we use that opportunity to bring awareness and funds their way, and that could all happen with $17.

Like a art projection tour, like a tour. That's what

I was gonna ask, like moving it from one place to another.

Exactly, every month, a new place, new org.

That's a really interesting idea.

That's funny.

If we have the equipment and we know what the budget is, we could potentially keep this going Yes. And keep

And work like that.

I know. Not totally. Where where would the equipment be kept?

Mine?

I mean, this is very small equipment, and we could even make it to where the artist in residence is responsible for keeping it in good shape during their tenure.

I think once a month sounds like a lot, but I think for 17 k, I'm moving around certainly seasonally four times four or five times a year.

Order of babies.

17 k. Yeah. Here's what I like about it.