City Council - Regular Meeting

Have you read through Utah's grammar code? What they define as a record?

I have not had time. I'm running campaigns and everything. You're good. You're totally fine. Is that the one that was listed on the bottom?

um the very bottom is the appeal process if you wanted to appeal and you'll send that to matt he's our chief administrative officer yes yep so right here um so this is just the appeal it's it's the 63g2 grandma code and that it's very lengthy but it goes into what's considered private information protected controlled public response denials fees it's it's lengthy but there should be

Yeah.

Well, and questions can definitely be asked, but questions in response to grandma is different. Understandable. And I think that's more on our side of like, Hey, can I come in and meet with the director and have a conversation? Oh yeah. Which it depends on which director you want to talk to.

He's the one that signed up.

Oh, Matt Andrews. So you can definitely talk to Matt. Um, Michelle. So Matt you can definitely talk to anytime. He's readily available except for today he's out of town. He's out of town right now. Michelle Howard and Travis Flint are with Parks and Rec and Travis is the deputy director that's kind of over the aquatic portion. So he'd be a really good resource as well as Michelle.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, so they would be great resources for that.

So I can go straight to them? Well, that's what I tried to do, and they said I need to grab them. So... You know, now... That's why I said to grab them.

Yeah, and if Matt and I need to get involved, we definitely can. And I can send out an email to the directors just to let them know these are your questions. I'm here.

So that would be my suggestion, is to better ask them for a meeting versus filing a record request.

Because I would have to be able to provide a record, something Yeah. Exactly. Which is why most of it was considered a denial, because it has to be that canvassing record. Which took me several years. To say, here, I can provide you with this. Do you want me to give you the contact, or? I would.

Yeah, I'll write it down for you. Thank you.

You want Michelle and Travis? Or do you want to start with just Michelle?

Oh, you're not the only one.

Oh, I'm sorry.

But then I was like, dang it.

I know, right?

Sometimes one is helpful, sometimes a duo is helpful. You never know.

We're just trying to know. For sure.

I'll write it down, of course.

So how will I receive it?

If you give me about five minutes, I will go and get it for you.

Okay.

yeah we're gonna try yeah we're gonna make sure if you want to start the stream first you can it should be i see it on my end So it looks like it's on extend, so you wanna duplicate.

And now it's gonna.

Oh yeah, and then you can switch between.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Thank you.

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Thank you. It's like he put it in your head. No. You're just having a show. Okay. Just think you're doing. Oh, okay.

Okay.

So what's your drink of choice? Okay, we'd like to welcome everybody out to our council meeting tonight. We have in attendance Councilmember Spahr, Councilmember Saxton, Councilmember Jackson, Councilmember Janelle Holbert, my mind just went blank, and Councilmember Wilson. And tonight, Diane Wilson will do our moment of silence and our Pledge of Allegiance.

If you'll please join us for a moment of silence, and we'd like to just ask that you keep in your thoughts and prayers, especially the Howard family. Thank you. Thank you. If you'll please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

So thank you, Council Member Wilson.

Now we have some consent items from May 5th, the council meeting, and the April 2026 financial statements. Anybody have any comments on those?

I don't even have any adjustments for the minutes, so.

I think that's a first. So do we have a motion to accept those? I move that we accept the consent items. Do I have a second? Second. And all in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. And now we are going to go on to our public comment period. But before we continue, I want to remind everyone that this is a meeting is being conducted in accordance with the Utah law and the rules of governing public meetings. At the same time, Utah code in our city rules, a procedure in order required that meetings be conducted in an orderly manner. We ask that all attendees treat one another, city staff, and elected officials with courtesy and respect. Outbursts, clapping, shouting, interruptive discussions, or any behavior that disrupts the orderly conduct of the meeting will not be permitted. Individuals who engage in disruptive behavior will be warned. If the behavior continues, they will be asked to leave the meeting so that the City Council can continue conducting the public's business. We appreciate everyone's cooperation in maintaining a respectful environment where all voices will be heard. And so now we will go into our public comment period. Just state your name and you will have three minutes for your comment.

Hello, everyone. My name's Jeff Cox. Give you a little background myself. I was Chief of Safety at 11 different bases for 15 years. I was OSHA Senior Safety Director. I wrote federal compliance regulations, DOD regulations, ADA regulations and amendments.

Can you bring the microphone just a little closer?

Sorry, I thought my voice carried pretty good. Anyway, and so I've got about 30 years experience in safety. After talking to Brittany, after receiving the grammar today, I will not be commenting on that. We seem to have come to a handshake on working things out face to face instead of grammar. So let me move on. One of the things that I noted when I was over at the complex, and that is I walked right in and I said, where's the elevator so I can go upstairs? Okay, and they didn't have it. She says, no, we don't have a elevator. We're grandfathered in. Well, according to the regulations, ADA standards, Title III, 2010, ADA, okay, it states there is no grandfathering period. There never has been. Okay, what it is called is safe harbor. Okay, and Safe Harbor works in the means of, if you have a building that was built in the 70s and you have a light switch that's 52 inches tall and it's supposed to be down to 48, you don't have to adjust that. So I'll move on here. But I think the staff needs to be told about this. The renovation does fall under Title III of 2010 ADA, and there is a 20% rule, and that 20% rule comes into effect of any amount of money for a renovation. That 20%, though, with your $1.28 million, As long as there's disabilities full access and up and down in the building and to the entrance and outside the entrance, you fall under that 20 percent rule, which would have been about $256,000 max, okay? That should have been applied to ADA. That should have been standard right up at the top. One of the things, I saw a lot of observations. I walked in, I walked out twice. I was there maybe 10 minutes, and I literally had about 40 violations in my head. But that's because I've been doing this for a while, okay?

And that's why I'm going to be working with Michelle, I think it is.

So anyway, what I also noted there was I got a membership role.

Okay, anybody else want to?

I'm Darren Albright and I am going to read this letter from a neighbor of mine that could not make it. So this is what he wrote. And he sent this to every city councilman and never received an answer yet, by the way. They sent this on the 18th of this last month. So let me read it to you.

I want everybody to listen to this and listen very carefully.

Council members, we are the Westerns and live at 5878 South, 3650 West. Our property is somewhat unique in that we own the property located at 5823 South, 3500 West in the rear. The property borders the east of 5878 South, 3650 West. Because of an easement that originally ran through Holly Acres, the two properties are taxed separately. Recently, two of the homes on 3500 West were sold to a developer. A developer. A developer. Let me find, I lost my place there. It was just a sec. It was sold to developers. One being immediately south of our pasture. When we rejected the offers from developers, they finally admitted the pastures were doomed. This is what they told them. They were doomed to be high density housing. Even telling me I'd rather sell them. I'd better sell them. They were threatening basically. I'd better sell them. to before their development ruins their property value. Whether that is the truth or not, I would like to make a few points. Number one, no one wants this except the people willing to trash their neighborhoods as they make a quick buck and move to another city. I had many people in the surrounding neighborhoods ask me to please not sell to a developer. If the city represents the will of the citizens, then high density housing is not it. Number two, these kinds of developments more than consume any additional tax base they bring in. Ask a cop in Ogden or Clearfield where much of their time is spent. It is in these kinds of developments. And number three, at a time when water is in short supply, why do we add such a significant burden to it? Number four, There is a value to green space. We really don't need to build on every square foot. Sincerely, J. Wayne Western. Thank you.

Thank you.

Shelly Polston. been thinking a lot about your budget increase that you guys are talking about the police the fire department our emergency personnel our roads and any utilities that the city is responsible for is your responsibility everything else should be on the table for reduction i am getting a lot of information that they're looking at things but it's just such a tiny little amount so my concern is tiny little amounts add up and if you're not willing to cut small things you are never going to serve this city appropriately with your budget because there's pet projects that people won't let go and you are providing things for citizens in Roy that is not your responsibility. That's not your job. And so you want more money so you can keep doing these extra things when you need to be focusing on what your responsibility is for the citizens of Roy and not extra stuff, because we're not asking for that. And we could keep our firemen here. We could have more police officers. The excuses for why we still need to keep spending money on things that's not appropriate are only excuses. So I think if you're a serious council and not just whatever, you're going to take that into consideration because it's the little things that add up to big stuff. And we all know that. Thank you. Thank you.

Ty Chasten, this is oversimplifying, but this is how I see the agenda item regarding adjustments to the physical year of 2026 budget. As your annual budget comes to a close, you have to make adjustments. You have both revenues and expenditures that have varied from what you had predicted a year ago. You had 2.4 million more dollars come in than you predicted last year. You're going to turn around and ask residents for $2.8 million in property taxes revenues from a tax increase in two months from now. So the question is, how are you going to spend the $2.4 million you weren't originally counting on? Today's packet details that you're going to put the money, or most of it, into capital project fund savings. You aren't planning to spend it on COLA or increase city employees' pay. You're going to put it into savings for what? This is like giving your adult child thousands of dollars and listening to how they just can't make ends meet, how they can't pay the taxes, can't car payments and mortgage, just to later find out that you took the money and went on vacation with it. This $2 million transfer more than doubles the original budget for the capital projects fund. These funds are typically spent on things like a new roof for a city hall, fire department, new water lines, or even upgrading the complex. Heaven forbids that. Based on your information presented during the work session to consider consolidating the Weber Fire District, Royce staff admitted to not saving capital for those sorts of things for many years in a row. This sounds like mismanagement of money. yet you're not going to pass this on to the, but yet you're gonna pass this on to the residents when you increase their property taxes in a few months from now. May also point out that you also found enough money to give employees a COLA raise in March, even after the State Tax Commission denied the 28% tax increase because your staff failed to put required information on your own website. You now have enough money to give COLA and raise employees' wages. During a time where many residents and at least one city council member are looking for every possible way to cut things in the budget in order to avoid a property tax increase. You're going to take now new found money and throw it into savings. Again, for what? I understand that this is one time money you may not want to put towards ongoing wages however the property tax payer thank you nancy inman

So I'm gonna finish what Jeffrey had to say about the complex since the first thing you did as mayor was cut the public comments from four minutes to three minutes and that kinda sends a message that you don't wanna hear what we have to say because now nobody can finish their thoughts without having somebody else have to step up and finish for them. So the final paragraphs of what Jeffrey was talking about with the complexes, the total membership as of 4 May, 2026 is 7,862 memberships. Ten-punch passes with unlimited use account for 6,479. Many of those passes are over 10 years old. So that leaves your active membership right around 1,383 memberships, which isn't even a fraction of the percentage of Roy City residents. So, there's no tracking category for disabled members, temporary disabled, or free usage as retired members and employees in order to make sound management decisions. And his annual budget concerns show that you were losing $400,000 to $500,000 per year on approximately a $2 million budget for the entire complex, meaning you were in the red 20% to 25%, not only this year, but for many years in the past. So this raises serious concerns about long-term sustainability. Roy residents shouldn't be treated as an unlimited piggy bank without your accountability and most of all transparency. So it's pretty evident from a lot of the research that we've done on the complexes, it's just not worth it anymore. And it's time to reconsider.

why we have it thank you thank you my name is kevin homer and i do live here in roy i want to talk just about a couple of things first one is on the item g2 I am going to make some comments about an item about public comments. And the humor of that does not escape me. I'm so sorry. about the public comments the way that we do it now where we make comments for up to three minutes and then there is no interaction I understand that from the data packet we want to consider modifying that a little bit I think it would be interesting that if a person has three minutes to make their comments and then afterwards there was some actual interaction where we could change it from being more of a monologue, which I'm really not ever a fan of, to more of a dialogue between us and everybody on the staff and all the elected officials. I would like to see that. Let's give it a try, see if it works. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But as you have this discussion, let's stay open-minded and maybe try some things that the state law allows us to do. I would like to have more interaction. between all of us. The other is I wanted to follow up on the email that I sent out yesterday, specifically asking Council Member Wilson about comments where it appears that you're thinking that there's data or studies that show that for every dollar spent on activities like the Roy Complex, we save four or five dollars in the court system and police and fire. I would really appreciate being able to hear more about that if you would provide data about the studies, data about the actual comparison between the places that do the studies. I would love to hear that so we can have more public debate about it. So just when you get a chance, and for anybody that has any thoughts about how that funding goes, I would love to hear from you about that as well. So thank you. Thank you, Kevin.

I can't get this to stay. I've never come here and done this. Your name? What's your name?

Oh, sorry.

Loray Peterson. Okay. I'm from Roy. I haven't ever done this before, but I needed to do this, and I hope you can have some... It's a pretty emotional thing for me today. Me and my husband have lived in Roy for 55 years. We were both part of the first graduating class at Roy High School 60 years ago. I had to bury him last month. I was thinking of all the wonderful people who have blessed our lives in this city. And I needed to come and say thank you. My goal was to be able to keep my husband at home and take care of him until he passed. Many things have made that possible for me. Me and my husband took water aerobics at the complex for over 10 years so that we could try to stay healthy as we got older. I've also taken a strength training class at the complex three days a week for almost 18 years. I knew if I didn't stay healthy and strong, I wouldn't be able to take care of him. And at the time we were doing it, we weren't seniors, and we were paying about $80 a month. And someone said, that's a lot. And I said, no, it isn't. I'd be spending much more on medications if I wasn't healthy. So that's why. But to go on. It's blessed our lives so much. Our grandkids took swimming lessons. Others was on the swim team at the high school. So many. But the mayor and the council and all the hours that you work and give up being with your families to come and help all of us is wonderful. The police have come only a few times to our house, but they've been so wonderful and kind. The fire department. came and helped me move my husband from a couch to a bed one day, just a week or so before he passed, and they were so kind. The ambulance had to take me one day when I fell and I said I can't drive and my husband can't and they took him with us in the front seat and they were so kind. And then the street department, one day we had a leak in the street and on a Saturday they showed up and they fixed everything. I am so grateful for this city and for every one of you who have blessed our lives.

Thank you. Any other comments? OK, then we'll go out of our pub. Oh, OK.

Sorry.

Good evening. My name is Andrew Wilco. This is my third week in a row, our third city council meeting in a row, discussing my concerns that I brought with you, specifically about any Royce City policies that relate to the Parks and Rec Department for selecting coaches. MR. WILSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLIES. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN RESPONDING TO ME. SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT I BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THE ROYCE CITY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT GO OFF OF. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY WORKING DOCUMENTS OR POLICIES THAT ARE IN EFFECT THAT GUIDE THE CITY ON HOW TO SELECT VOLUNTEERS. City Manager, or not City Manager, but Mr. Wilson has also told me that he doesn't think they exist. I find it strange that every time I've asked the City Manager for these documents or for a response, he has used a reference that says, you know, in accordance with current policies or procedures or with, or specifically with, in the future, if you'd like a broader discussion for policy changes to the Council, it's strange that he would say that to me if these policies don't exist. My initial problem that I brought up to you is that there are no policies and that there should be a policy that does not encourage nepotism for parents and volunteers for the city. In the absence of any current policy, what is the guidance for Royce City Parks and Rec in selecting an agent of the city to watch our kids? I would assume that it would be the HR department's equal opportunity policy that governs fair and ethical treatment for volunteers. I haven't received anything that says this is how the city will operate and how the volunteers are held to a certain standard. My specific issue that I have with this parent is that I have brought at the lowest level, I would like to volunteer with this team, and he says, no. My wife's brother and her father will be the ones that volunteer with this coach and are with this team, and you will watch on the sidelines. I have to watch another man and his extended family coach my kid while I have volunteered for the past two years and the city has begged me to support when they didn't have enough volunteers. The city manager told me, hey, you know, this policy is in place specifically to keep volunteers participating with the city. And at the same time, they're casting away volunteers who participate with the city. I don't think that there are any policies that encourage nepotism or unfair or equal treatment. However, the city has turned a blind eye in what I brought to them. Not one bit of effort that I've seen has been move towards supporting me and my concerns that I brought to you. I know Ms. Wilson as well as Ms. Hulbert has responded to me, Mr. Wilson has responded to me, but I have not seen anything that shows a pathway forward that shows fair and ethical treatment to parents and to my kid who has every right to have his parent be a volunteer instead of this kid have his whole entire family support that family. That's absolutely unfair to have an entire team supported by one family and everybody else has to watch. Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Dennis Brown, I'll just take a moment. My wife and I are avid e-bike riders, and we live on 6000 South, and so we'll generally drive down 6000 South and turn north on the ramp bike trail. I hadn't rode that trail in that area for three or four months. Mayor Mrakas, I noticed quite a bit of graffiti on on some of the homes, the back of the garages and stuff this this last time we love that trail a lot, and then this to to two nights ago. Mayor Mrakas, me and the other riders go in the same direction and a young man on tote goat was coming towards us Bobby 20 to 30 miles an hour. scared us to death, but maybe the police department could keep an eye on that area. I'm sure maybe some of the neighbors, if you go down that bike trail, there's getting to be quite a bit of graffiti on there, maybe some sort of encouragement to paint that graffiti, but I've had kids on tow coats probably three times down the last six months. And we ride in the winter. If it gets 50 degrees or more, we ride in the winter also. But we've had probably three times now kids on tow coats going up and down that trail. And I think they're out of control at 20 to 30 miles an hour, which is pretty fast, especially when they're approaching you. So I'd appreciate if the police could maybe kind of keep an eye on that a little bit more. Thank you.

Thank you. Have any more comments? Then we'll move on to our action items. Amber will introduce our first one, resolution 2613. Okay, thank you.

Okay, when we start the budget process in March of each year, we estimate what we will receive in revenues and what we will need in expenses. By the end of the fiscal year, we have a better picture of what our actual revenues and expenses will be, and therefore need to make some adjustments to the budget. The current year budget ends June 30th, and this action item is to make some final adjustments to the fiscal year 2026 budget. You received a full listing of the changes proposed in your packets, and we have increased a few revenue line items for additional revenue received than what was initially projected, and we use this money to pay for additional expenses over what was initially expected. The largest line item increase is the $2 million transfer to the capital projects fund. This transfer comes from two things. The first is the sale of fixed assets. This will be approximately up to $1 million. When we purchase vehicles and equipment, they are purchased with money in the capital projects fund. When we sell these same assets, the money is received into the general fund, and we then transfer that money over to the capital projects fund to be used to buy vehicles and equipment the following year or a future year. It will be up to $1 million because we have a few vehicles to be sold, and I don't know if we will sell them before June 30th. The actual amount transferred will be the actual amount we receive by June 30th. The second part of this transfer will also be for up to $1 million, and this will come from any additional revenue that we receive over what was budgeted, and any amounts that each department is under budget. Any unspent funds at the end of the year are transferred to the capital projects fund to pay for vehicles, equipment, parks and recreation improvements, and building repairs. We currently are not saving an amount each year to pay for these items, so this is how we get the money each year to pay for equipment and improvements. The actual amount transferred will be determined after all revenues have been received and all expenses have been paid. I received a question asking if this amount could be used in place of the property tax increase. While it could, there are three reasons I would advise against using it for that. The first is we don't know exactly what the amount will be until we close out the year, which will be mid-September. The second reason is the tax increase is being used for wages, which are an ongoing expense, and this is one-time money. We need a continuous revenue stream to pay for wages, and the tax increase gives us that. The third reason is we need this money to pay for equipment and improvements. Without this transfer, we do not have another revenue source to provide the needed funding. The overall effect on the general fund budget will be an increase in revenues and expenses of $2,422,954. The capital projects fund will increase revenues $2 million, expenses $60,000, and $1.9 million will be used for next year and future year capital purchases. The Water and Sewer Fund will reallocate expenses between light items, but overall will not increase revenue or expenses. The Solid Waste Utility Fund will use $76,045 of retained earnings for additional expenses. And the Class C Roads Fund will increase revenues $340,000, use $160,000 from retained earnings, and add $500,000 to road maintenance to complete the roundabout project on 4400 South. We recommend that you receive public input on these adjustments and then consider approval of Resolution 26-13. And I'm happy to answer any questions after the public hearing.

So do I have a motion to go into a public hearing? Mayor, I move to enter public hearing. Do I have a second? A second. Okay, this is a roll call vote. Brittany.

Council Member Saxton? Aye. Council Member Jackson? Aye.

Council Member Hubbard?

Aye.

So we have any public comments on this resolution? OK, if we don't have any public comments, then we have a motion to exit the public hearing.

So moved.

Do I have a second?

Second.

And then we'll have a roll call vote, Brittany.

Council Member Spahr? Aye. Council Member Wilson? Aye. Council Member Saxton? Aye. Council Member Halbert?

Aye.

Aye. Okay, now Amber will introduce Resolution 26-14.

So if you have any questions on Resolution 26-13, I can answer those now, and then you need to vote to adopt that.

Well, I was just appreciating your discussion because I think it was very clear. We had a couple of questions brought up of why we wouldn't put this towards other expenses, especially ongoing expenses. And so I thought your discussion was very clear, and I appreciate that because we do need that money to continue with the equipment. And it looks like it's a very succinct and efficient way to do that. So thank you for that explanation.

YOU LISTED THREE REASONS WHY YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND USING THIS IN LIEU OF PART OR ALL OF THE TAX INCREASE PROPOSED AND I FAILED TO WRITE DOWN YOUR THIRD ONE IN TIME. CAN YOU REPEAT THE THIRD REASON?

Oh, the third one is because we don't currently have a dedicated source to provide for capital purchases. So if we don't do it this way, we need to find that from a different area.

Okay. Thank you so much. I think it's a really good question to look at this and say, at the highest tax increase that was proposed would bring in $2.8 million and here's 2.4. And I think when you compare those two things, I think it brings up a really good question. And I think it's a totally fair one. And so I appreciate the explanation that the budget needs to be adopted by August and this is gonna end in September. We don't know how much that's going to be. Also this being one-time money and even included in our rotation things like our fleet that's in rotation. So we've sold now some cars and we have that money that we were able to sell for more than we would have paid for it in the beginning. And now that money will be used in order to rotate through trucks that don't require as much maintenance and things. Whereas, you know, my old car requires a lot of maintenance, you know, and so these trucks won't. And so I think that's a really good explanation of that. And then, so I just wanted to point out that those are good questions, you know, when you look at it and say, well, 2.8, you know, 2.4 is almost there, you know, and why this isn't, you know, simply to transform. But I think it's a good point, and I appreciate your explanation on that.

You're welcome.

Oh, I also wanted to comment on just your last point is that we don't actually tax for capital improvements, that it's not like in the budget. Anything that comes in over what we've estimated goes into capital improvements. And so those are used on projects such as, you know, the aquatic center or, you know, even, you know, trucks, which are capital as well. And so other things that we need to maintain or upgrade are that are capital assets and that is not budgeted for and so I think that this is I think it's a very resourceful way of still maintaining a savings where you can go ahead and pay for those things when they come up to avoid you know big bigger expenses down the road with maintenance and things out of capital projects I think it's a very efficient way to run the budget could you also explain um

to everyone, I guess, why we don't always know what those costs will be until September. I know for, I'll give a couple examples, but you could give other examples. I know, for instance, that the fire trucks this year had some damage done to them. I think going over some of the speed humps, right, was one of them. and some things like that. And so that's obviously an unknown cost that we didn't plan for. And then I know that not related to capital funds, but overtime also contributes to us not knowing fully what the cost will be until the end.

Right, there's always things that happen during the year that you did not anticipate at the beginning of the year. A good example this year is overtime in the streets department for snow plowing. We didn't have much snow, so they didn't have to snow plow a lot. So they are giving back a considerable amount of money, and that is what is going to be transferred. That's part of that that gets transferred over the capital projects fund. The reason it takes so long to find out what that amount will be is the biggest one is sales tax is two months behind because companies have 30 days to submit that to the state, and then the state has 30 days to submit that to us. So we don't receive June numbers until the end of August. So we are about two months behind on our revenues. And then even expenses, some companies, you know, bill after the fact. So if you're buying something towards the end of June, sometimes we don't get an invoice for that until mid-July. So we are paying for things later. We try to get everything done by June 30th or July 31st, but sometimes things do come a little bit into August. So it just takes some time to get all that cleaned up and everything in the prior year. Okay, thank you.

Any other comments? So can I have a motion to consult?

Brian?

Yeah. Is the entire amount, though, that we're transferring, is it all one-time monies? Can any of it be used to offset the increase?

So it is all one-time money. The biggest thing is we don't know for sure how much it will be. I know the $2 million looks like a lot. It could be closer to $1 million. I'm not sure how much it will be. It just depends on how the end of the year closes out. Like, the sales tax revenue did go up, but when I developed the next year budget, I included that in there, and I added a little bit of an increase in there for next year. So this has already been written into the next year's budget to account for these increase in revenues. Like, as I'm doing the next year's budget, I am looking at all this and being like, okay, this is increased, and so I take that into account when developing the next year's budget, and then now is the time that we're recognizing it in this year.

It's just, once that it goes into reserve, were really reluctant to touch any of it, as being my experience. So I was just wondering if we could catch some drippings from it, at least.

I think that's a fair question. I would hesitate to use any of the 1 million projected from the sale of trucks because that is needed to continue our rotation. And, you know, if we don't save enough away for that, then we're not going to get our, you know, now we're paying maintenance and things. So that does disrupt the rotation. But I suppose it's maybe worth a conversation to talk about the other expected. My only hesitancy on that, too, is that, like Amber said, we don't know what it would be. So I don't know. Is there a conservative estimate we could say maybe we could take this and it might offset like a chunk of it? I think is that what you're getting at, Brian, is just like just a conservative chunk that might help a little bit? Is that what you're after?

That conservative. And that would pay the March COLA. I mean, if we took, you know, 8.9 cents, roughly 450,000, almost half a million, We could cover that March Cola and not 10% off of what we're asking the taxpayers to fork up. Just a thought, but I'm just trying to make life a little easier on some.

Yeah, I do overestimate that amount because I can't ever transfer more than what I put in the budget. So it is more than, and it's hard to say what that will be because we still have a full month of June. If we have higher expenses, I did have to estimate just kind of looking at last year what we spent in June. That's kind of how I estimated it to get a guesstimate. and you could yes it's just hard to say where you'll be the following year and we currently have 1.6 budgeted to spend in capital for next year so this is what I would like to use to pay for that for next year so if you decrease it too much then we are now pulling from the capital projects fund balance which seems like there's a lot in there but it goes very quickly when you have to fix a pool liner at the Aquatic Center and it costs a million dollars it does go very very quickly

Well, something I also understood is that our city actually has a fairly small amount of capital compared to most cities because a lot of other cities do put that into I guess like they say we're gonna put this percentage towards capital every year and we don't do that because that's just how they've decided, the councils have decided to do it in the past and so really anything left over is the only capital that we ever get.

right it is a good practice to develop an amount in the budget that you are saving a certain percent i think most of us try to do that with our home budgets you try to save a certain amount every year for when you have a furnace break or something like that it kind of puts us in the point that if we ever did need to rebuild this building or do something large you'd have to bond for it because we wouldn't have the funds available

So can you maybe just clearly delineate maybe why our city doesn't have that, you know, historically, why we don't have that kind of funding or, you know, history? Maybe you can help us with that. Because, you know, some people may say, well, that's not very responsible. You haven't been saving money for this. Why haven't you? Maybe you can help us with that.

I'm not sure I could answer that just because I haven't been here in the past to tell you what the ideal was behind when they developed the budget. But typically, we want it to balance every year so that we don't have to raise taxes on the citizens. And if you want it to balance, that's the first thing that gets cut is, well, let's put that off for another year. We would like to fix the parking lot in the back of the building. We put that off every year because it is very, very expensive. And it just keeps getting worse and worse every year. But when you're trying to balance the budget, that's typically the first things that get cut.

And then when you let things go, then they end up being more expensive in the future. So it's kind of a difficult decision there. Thank you.

And that's the difficulty I have with this is that that's what councils have done in the past is put off, put off, put off, put off. And now we are where we are. So anyway, that's my thoughts on that.

We didn't mean to.

No, I mean, you can't tell the future, but yeah, that's what happened, so.

Any more comments? Well, I'd like to get to the bottom of this, using some of it and not putting it in capital funds, and see how we feel about that.

Well, my question with that then is if we move that over, can we move it back when we go through our budget thing or not?

You can move it back. We would just do a budget amendment just like we're doing right now. So if we wanted to look at where we are, I mean, that's after the tax increase vote. But if we wanted to look at where we are after the year closes and make a, I mean, that is, you can move it back, yes.

so help me understand this how this would work and actually it might we might be seeing something similar now because we used one-time funds to pay a cola and was it just a cola it was just a cola that's what i thought yes and so we use one-time money to pay a cola already this year and so would this be put us in a similar position why sorry What it put us in a similar position, if we did it this way as well from capital projects or for the monies intended to transfer to capital projects, how does that carry on? Because I'm still... Now that we paid Acola out of one-time funds, we have to keep paying that now. But this year's done. We can't just keep paying out of one-time funds until it's gone. I guess you could. I wouldn't probably do that. But... How does that project us forward? How would we have to at least come to some reconciliation that we have to keep paying these higher wages or keep paying these COLAs now that we have finished paying out of one-time funds or out of this capital project intended transfer? How do we keep paying? How does that avoid a tax increase? Because eventually you have to keep paying it. You can't just stop paying a COLA. My understanding was you can't. Take it away.

Right, you wouldn't take it away. So the only thing would be is if you have employee turnover that people leave and you hired other people in it cheaper. But the COLA does bring up your minimum wages, so that's probably not happening unless it's somebody that's been here a while. By law, we have to keep our fund balance at least within 5% of our revenues for the year. So you would just keep chipping that away until it got down to that 5%. When you get to that, by law, we are required to increase taxes to get our fund balance above the 5%. We can't keep it below that.

So does paying one-time monies like this avoid tax increases? Because it's seeming to me that once we pay the COLA and we intend to keep paying it forward, at some point you have to have revenue to offset that. It doesn't just go away. Does that make sense?

Am I understanding that right? Yes. Eventually you would get to a point that you have no choice but to increase tax.

So I guess then my question goes back to Brian and just to help me understand. So because when just because this was this was something that you were ended up able to to have happen, you know, that that was by your your recommendation that we do pay COLAs out of one time funds. Now going forward, like how do you see that How do you see that continue to be paying going forward? And how do you see this one-time money helping with the tax increase where we do intend to keep paying it after just this one time?

Paying our out of the federal, or not federal, but the reserves.

Fund balance.

Right. First of all, it put that percentage on the books for everyone, and if you remember, We did that because there was employees of the city that would not receive any kind of increase because they did not qualify for the merit. So without that, and it was prorated, if I recall, to serve just the one quarter, right?

Yes, it was from that meeting date on.

Yeah, so we didn't even pay a full year COLA. All we did was say, the last three months, you'll get a 2.5%. and it comes to roughly 8.99% of what we have to pay back. And that's why when I proposed a couple of weeks ago The nine plan that I had, the first nine was to pay the March COLA back. The second nine was to go for public safety. Start at the bottom and work up with the wage compensation. And that was the plan. And reduce the recommended two way to two five. That's where that all came from, and we approved it, and we moved forward, and we're no the worse for it, but it needs to be paid back, and that's what we're doing. Right? I mean, isn't that, we're doing half of it this year and half of it next.

Well, so the 2.8 that we just did was just from March forward. So that was just a quarter of it. The one for next year is the 9%, which is not just for public safety. That was for all employees.

Right. But the recommendation I had made a couple of weeks ago was let's start at public safety and work our way from the bottom to top. right that's what i proposed in that paper i gave that to you guys and i heard from a couple of you and maybe to help clarify it for me so that was to pay for last year's cola and that's to pay for

the coming year COLA, and that is also to make some wage adjustment.

That would have given us about half a million dollars for wage adjustments.

That's the 18% that you were referring to? Yes. So I think for me, I guess I'm having a hard time with the math because I'm thinking 9% for the last year, 2025-26 COLA, another 9% for 26-27 COLA, and then I'm not sure where the extra for the wage.

I understand that. You can pay it back over a two-year period. And we'd still be the same council, you know, God willing. And so it would be paid back over the next two years of 8.9. I think it's 8.99 or something.

That was last year's amount, yes. That's what I thought you meant by the two, when you said two years, you're meaning that we would need to- No, no, no.

We'd be able to make some wage compensation, nearly a half a million dollars worth.

Right, but then you're saying the next year we would need to raise taxes again.

And if our sales tax didn't cover it, we'd have to cover it with 8.9. Right.

Sorry. No, that was a good clarification.

Thanks.

No, you do. I was just trying to get clarification on if we do, if we do use some of this money now to put towards wages, um, that, this money doesn't continue, right? And so we would, like you said, we'd have to pay it back. We'd have to, at some point, we're going to have to balance that to say the one-time money that was being used to pay wages is gone. We're going to have to answer that how? If sales tax didn't come in.

You've already answered for half of it.

Okay, okay, tax increase. Right. Okay, that's all.

Any more comments?

I'm sorry for being a pain.

You're not a pain.

Just an option. Right. Thank you.

You're welcome. Can I have a motion for consideration of resolution 26-13?

With all of the discussion we've had, I still believe it would be wise to move forward with that. So I move that we make a motion for the consideration of resolution 26-13, approving adjustments to the fiscal year 2026 budget.

Do I have a second?

So seconded. OK, Brittany, roll call vote.

Councilmember Spahr?

Aye.

Aye. Councilmember Jackson?

Aye. Councilmember Wilson?

Aye. Okay, now we'll go on to consideration 26-14, which Amber will.

Yes, and I have a PowerPoint for this one. Okay.

Okay.

So this now is for next year's budget, this next action item. Anytime we transfer money from a utility fund to another fund, state code requires us to hold an enterprise fund transfer hearing. The purpose of this hearing is to present accounting data of how the money in the enterprise funds is being used to cover administrative overhead costs in the general fund attributable to the operations of the enterprise funds and receive public input on the proposed transfers. State code requires the following hearing requirements. This information is also included in your packets and it's on our website as well. We have completed all the noticing requirements and if the resolution passes tonight, we will post the accounting data on the website as well as post the notice on social media and notify all utility customers on their utility bill. The following chart shows accounting data for the Water and Sewer Utility Fund. Each of the transfers out of the fund are shown here with a dollar amount and the percentage of total fund expenses the transfer represents. The total amount being transferred out of the Water and Sewer Utility Fund is $1,445,114, or 10.34% of total fund expenditures. This chart shows accounting data for the stormwater utility fund. Each of the transfers out of the fund are shown with the dollar amount and percentage of total fund expenses that the transfer represents. The total amount being transferred out of the fund is $227,300, or 16.48% of total fund expenses. The last utility fund is the solid waste utility fund. Each of the transfers out of the fund are shown with the dollar amount and the percentage of the total fund expenses the transfer represents. The total amount being transferred out of the fund is $378,044, or 10.58% of the total fund expenses. These transfers are used by the city's general fund, information technology fund, and risk management fund to provide administrative, clerical, maintenance, and other support to the city's enterprise utility funds. These personnel include the city manager, city recorder, city attorney, legal and risk management staff, public works director and staff, management services director and accounting, payroll, human resources, and utility billing staff. IT professionals and equipment operators. A full listing of the personnel was included in your council packet that lists each position and the percentage in dollar amount that is allocated to each utility fund. These positions are split between the utility fund and the general fund. The money transferred from the utility enterprise funds are proportional to the amount of time these positions spend working on the utility enterprise funds. We recommend that city council receive public input on these enterprise fund transfers and consider approval of proposed resolution 26-14 to transfer monies from the water and sewer, storm water, and solid waste utility enterprise funds.

So do I have a motion to go into a public hearing?

So moved. Can I have a second? Second.

Okay, now all in favor? No, roll call vote, Brittany.

Aye. Council Member Spahr? Aye. Council Member Wilson?

Aye.

Council Member Hulbert? Aye. Council Member Saxton?

Aye. Okay, we are now in a public hearing. Anybody has any comments about this resolution? Okay. Okay.

Dennis Brown, I just have a question. What is the purpose of the transfer of the funds? I don't quite understand that. It looks like about 10% from each department.

So what is the purpose of the transfer?

OK. OK. Any other comments? Do I have a motion to go out of public comment period? Close the public hearing. I mean, public hearing. I move that we close the public hearing. Do I have a second?

Second.

Can I have a roll call vote?

Council Member Wilson?

Aye.

Council Member Saxton? Aye. Council Member Jackson? Aye. Council Member Colbert? Aye.

Council Member Sparks? Aye.

Okay, now we have resolution 26-15 and Chief Williams will be introduced. Nope. I know, I'm just learning this so you can answer the...

Okay, so to answer the question, we have a fair amount of employees that spend their time working on general fund things and utility fund things. So if we take the city manager for example, he spends a lot of his time working with the police department, the fire department, but he also spends his time working for the utility funds. So if we did not allocate his salary to the general fund and to the utility funds, the utility funds would have to hire their own city manager and not use his services. That goes for IT as well. So we have an information technology fund that supplies all of our computers, all of our phone systems. They purchase our Microsoft Office contracts. Those payments, those are for general fund employees and those are for utility fund employees. So instead of, so it just allocates that department to the general fund and to the utility funds. Does that make sense?

Yeah.

And I think, like we've talked about in previous meetings, that's why sometimes people are confused. Like, some jobs are paid out of the utility funds and not the general fund, and some are paid out of only the general fund, and some have a combination of different funds that pay for their wages.

I think a better example would be, like, I have a utility supervisor who is also our treasurer. So most of her day is spent answering utility phone calls. She's calculating the bills. She's sending the bills out. Most of her job is related to the utility bills. But she's also the city's treasurer, so she handles the bank account, which is more general fund related. So her salary is split between utility funds and general funds.

Mm-hmm.

And there's actually quite a few jobs like that in our city, which is actually a really great use of our funds, how it evens things out more so we don't, because the general fund comes from taxes, utilities don't come from taxes.

and saves us personnel because we're able to use one person for several different areas. And so if we take a look at that last slide that's up there and we see transfer to general fund, what you're saying with that piece of the pie is that that 8.26% is going to go to the general fund to pay for those services that the utility fund used.

Thanks. Can you just explain in general what an enterprise fund is?

Yes, so an enterprise just means that the fund pays for itself. It brings in enough revenue to pay for all the expenses that it has. So they are self-sufficient. So they don't use tax revenue. The general fund has to rely on property taxes to supplement police and fire services. So a utility fund is everything paid on your water bill. So everything that we charge on the water bill comes back directly to be used for those direct services. So the water portion on your bill comes into the Water Enterprise Fund, and that pays for the expenses directly related to your water services.

Thank you.

Okay. Do I have a motion to approve Consideration Resolution 26-14? So moved. Do I have a second?

I'll second it.

We have a roll call vote. Councilmember Jackson? Aye. Councilmember Wilson? Aye.

Aye. Council Member Halbert? Aye. Council Member Saxton? Aye.

Okay, thank you so much, Amber.

Okay, Chief Williams, you'll present Resolution 26-15.

Mayor, council, this is a renewal of the interlocal cooperation agreement for the heavy rescue team between Weber County and the fire service provider. So every five years in this agreement, it renews and that's what this is. There are times like the paramedic when there's funds that change or allocated towards it where you amend it. This one is just a renewal. So we're just looking to get renewed and so we can continue to provide the heavy rescue services to the county.

Okay. Any comments, Council?

I'll just ask the same question I asked last time we did this, and I'm assuming it's the same, but any agreements we make if we decide to go to Weber Fire would be taken with us or renegotiated with them?

Yeah, let me just explain. So in this agreement, there's what's called contractors. Those are the agencies who provide the heavy rescue equipment and the truck. Those are called contractors. Those are with Ogden City, Weber Fire District, and Riverdale. They're strategically placed throughout the county so every city throughout the county can have quick access to the heavy rescue team, such as the bad accident that occurred last week. The heavy rescue was dispatched to the Roy accident where they had to extricate an individual. We are subcontractors. So North View Fire, Roy City, and South Audurn are called subcontractors. And what we do is we provide three trained personnel who can help with the heavy rescue teams. And so if we go to Weber, that's something that would have to be negotiated. Whether Weber County could take on more contractors where they're different than we are, that's something that would have to be worked out.

Okay, thank you. Yeah.

Okay.

Any other questions? Essentially, the agreement would just be terminated with Royce City if it was transferred. Okay. Thanks, Pat.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. Do I have a motion to consider Resolution 26-15? So moved. Do I have a second?

Second.

Okay. It's a roll call vote. Brittany? Council Member Jackson? Aye.

Council Member Holbert? Aye. Council Member Spicer? Aye.

Council Member Wilson? Aye.

Council Member Saxon? Aye. Okay, thank you. Now we'll go into our discussion items and Council Member Wilson will just, is gonna do both discussions. The first one will be Roy Day's considerations.

Thank you, Mayor. With the extensive budget discussions we've been having and with some activities coming up that require a decision if we're going to continue or not continue as those invoices are coming due, I thought it might be a good time for us to just discuss if some of these activities would be reasonable to discontinue at this time And if so, what they would be. One thing that I've been reminded by staff is if they are discontinued, that means they're out of the budget and they would have no longer be in the budget continually. They would have to be reallocated at some future time if that was ever decided to do. And so as we think about it, this would not be just a pause. This would be... You know, we'd be taking this out of the budget for some period of time. Not that it couldn't be put back in, but it would then need reallocated funds. And Michelle has been very diligent in getting us some information so we know what those expenses are, what that comes to. One of the first things we might consider is the two-page document that says Roy Day's event. And it talks about some of the Friday activities. And then it also talks about the fireworks and where those funds come in. And that includes the operational funds as well as the personnel funds. And so those are the first ones that would be easiest to look at. She was able to get us a sheet that also discusses specifics on different events. Now, we're very fortunate to have a lot of the events, Roy Days, they're provided by volunteers or by other agencies and so we don't have that funding responsible for that and so this would only be talking about events that Roy City funds. So I'll just kind of start with that and and maybe I'll just jump in and say you know On Friday, you know, there's a consideration we could cancel Friday events. Friday events would be the salmon bake. If we take a look at the salmon bake, the operations on that first page, $3,500 in overage for that, although we do have, and this makes it a little complicated, some years we have donations that cover that, some years we don't, but that also would need to include the personnel that are for that. If we did the movie in the park, that's $2,600. And the personnel cost of $11,000 covers all of the Friday events. If we did the fireworks, that's $29,500. Personnel costs are probably around $3,500. And so that would add that together. So you've got the operations as well as the personnel. So those are some things to first start with if we decided we wanted to do something different, but that would give us at least, you know, a chunk of money that would be about $50,000, that'd be about a 1% tax increase. And, you know, at this point in time, every little bit, as someone said, makes a difference. So we definitely have a lot of people who have talked to us and really enjoy these events, and they really want to continue them. But on the other hand, we need to certainly do our best to tighten our bells. Now, we hear some people talk about it here, realizing that represents a portion of our population, and sometimes we hear the words, you're not listening to us, but on the other hand, we have a lot of other citizens that we are listening to, and we need to keep both of those conversations in mind as we make this decision.

I have a question. It's regarding the fireworks. is and have we actually when I met with Alexis and Michelle we talked about have we ever approached Roy High they use a lot of fireworks with their homecoming game could we consult with them and piggyback and share with the same supplier and save some money just by doing that? Question.

Well, Michelle, do you mind coming up because I'm believing you're probably going to have more of the answers as we have this discussion.

Sure, of course. I do not currently know who Roy High's supplier is for the fireworks. I don't know if it's the same vendor or not. It's something we could look into. I, just off the top of my head, wouldn't imagine that the savings that we would get would be that great, just because of the size and scope of our current event versus theirs.

Right. Our fireworks at halftime at the Roy High homecoming game probably don't maybe last five minutes tops and how the ones at Roy Days last probably what 45 minutes or

yeah so it's a real small amount that you know where do you guys where does the high school launch their fireworks from the practice field um we've changed it there are no schools we changed it last year we changed it last year because of the fallout zone and the fear how close it was in proximity to the neighbors there is

requirements that we have to abide by. We felt like last year due to safety, there's, there's firework incidents throughout the country where something goes wrong. And actually this year, something did go wrong. Actually the year prior to that, we're fortunate that it exploded low. So it's all based on the size of the shell. So if you do that, we pushed it down to the Sandwich Park parking lot. We feel like that was a safer area, but it's all based on requirements of the fallout zone. And if you go to a larger shell, I don't know for certain, but I am anticipating the shells would be too large and for the proximity that it wouldn't work. And that's why we do it where we do it is because it's safe. So I hope that helps.

Right.

And what is the timeframe, the lead time we need to put in an order? So, I mean, we're getting pretty close to it, so even if that did work out to be less, which we're guessing may not, we'll probably be behind lead time at this point anyway.

I would imagine, Chief, do you know what the lead time on ordering fireworks is? Here's our fireworks, gentlemen.

I didn't mean to involve the whole city.

Why not? Sorry for the interruption, but yeah, your fireworks, both the high school and the ones we do on the Roy Days are supplied by the same vendor.

Oh, okay.

And so they, but as for the cost, it depends on the size of the firework that we do, and they've actually given us discounts for this last few years to try to save, because they knew we were, in a funding problem. They've been good with us. They've worked with us. It's just that I think we're getting to the point now on whether it's good for them or good for us.

Could we shorten the length to make it more cost effective?

We can shorten. The problem is we're having to go so high with the bigger shells to get more of an audience because we're in a golf course that people can't sit right underneath. So if people were underneath and closer, you could lessen the cost by going to a less distance firework.

And can you remind the citizens why we did change it over to the golf course? Can you bring that microphone up just a bit?

The reason we switched it is a safety reason. And with the fire marshal side of me, it wants to keep everybody safe as the public. And the location we were doing it before puts people in danger because of a fallout zone. And so we definitely moved it. It was for the better to keep everybody safe. And because we had a couple incidents before, we got lucky. Right.

Right. Thank you.

And does it really matter what day it's on? I know like certain places on Saturdays are more expensive.

No, but you do have to get with them before because they only have so many trailers, so many vehicles. I know when we do Roy days, we are not the only vendor.

that uh we go with so uh usually they they we've set we know exact date and we're being good but uh it's definitely if you start changing dates we might have problems okay thank you well i know we used to have you know a big donation from a company and they've split that in half now so you'd have to try to find some more people to donate for fireworks but

Most of the big ones that they've done this last year, they've discounted them for us, knowing that they wanna provide a great show. So we've been paying for a less size, even though it's been a bigger firework.

Thank you.

So we're given a budget and chief King shops around. So that's how we do it. We're given the budget. We go out to vendors for an RFP and we see who can meet the budget. So it's, that's how we do it. We don't just randomly pick somebody. They have to meet that requirement of within the budget. So.

Okay.

Thank you. Thank you, very good information on the fireworks. And then we have personnel, and that personnel includes Parks and Rec, police, fire, I guess, all of those? Correct.

Yeah, it would be the police officers, fire department, public works, and the Parks and Rec guys that are all out there working throughout the event.

So that's correct. And then cleanup afterwards.

And police from other cities come and help us. I've been told since we are basically the last event of the county that so all the troublemakers come to our event. and participate for a big attraction for yes for the teenagers because i've been told that most kids that they haul off aren't even roy kids they're from other cities and so um i know it's been brought up maybe changing roy days to a day when the other cities have in their event too that way you know we might not get those kids i know these are just comments that have been brought up to me but um i know that our police deal with a lot of kids that night it's i don't know kids i've never seen anything like it yes it's like so if we did away with the fireworks we would do away with the cost of the fireworks let alone we do away to the cost of the police that night and a lot of vandalism and a lot of just crazy stuff a lot of things we have to consider so

I think for me that's a big heavy part of why I actually would consider the fireworks as an opportunity to save. And understanding that if my math is correct, this is 33,000 including the fireworks and the personnel that was estimated. So 33,000 into 2.8-ish million. But I did type in the entire shortfall is 1.18% of this shortfall. And recognizing that it only covers 1.18% of the shortfall. I would actually I think I would actually speak in favor of removing the fireworks at least permanently for now because permanently for now realizing that it would be a permanent change like where it's not just cut this year and the next year can just come back right there's we're talking about budget issues that we have to address now and so but recognizing that it wouldn't come back in the future I think at this point might even be in the city's best interest I've heard security concerns from the police chief over this and that it's just just I don't want to say liability because I'm not a lawyer and I don't know if it really is liability, but I see a a safety concern. It's a safety liability. When I see this is what's the extracurricular, the not good stuff that's taking place in conjunction with the fireworks. And I would also add that having the fireworks shoot off from a separate location and having residents and other people watch from different places around really kind of destroys the community aspect of what fireworks could be. And I think for that, that really devalues the event of the fireworks and That in conjunction with the small savings that it is, I would say we consider that.

Well, I've been accused of being a buzzkill a time or two by the wife, so I'm behind making the cuts. I can be a buzzkill, fun kill, I guess. I can go along with a lot of, somebody's got some good explanations. I know a lot of people enjoy the fireworks. Personally, I'm fine with it.

Well, and I've asked people to look into drones that, you know, I don't even know if those are cheaper than fireworks. They're probably more expensive, I bet. Yeah.

Yeah, they're more expensive. And I don't believe that we could have a drone show at George Wallen Park.

Right. Because of the flight paths. Because of the airport and stuff. I believe.

Yeah. So when I went around and asked citizens that just that I know and stuff that I had a very mixed reaction. Some people were like, sure. Some people were like, no. So and I think there is a big community aspect to the fireworks. I would be in favor of removing the movie night just because I don't think that's as long of a standing tradition in our community. but when I did campaign, I did say that I valued traditions in our community, and I think that, so I would be against eliminating that permanently. I would be for looking for any additional revenue to cover that. I would come and gladly help call people to ask for donations. I would do that for a whole week. just calling, calling, coming in and doing that. And I would be happy, because I do know that some of these numbers are without, these are the numbers without donations that we, sponsorships.

That's correct. Like in 2025, Roy Days received $14,750 in sponsorship and donation money. $5,000 of that was dedicated to the Salmon Bake because, excuse me, Once you donate up to $5,000 or above, you get the choice to be a title sponsor, and that sponsor chose the salmon bake for that year.

So that's just my take on it. I know we're not voting officially because it's a discussion item.

Can we make a decision? Is that something we can do, make a decision? Because I think on some of these things we may have to do it soon, but how does that work?

Yeah, so you can make a recommendation because you're essentially recommending what you want to see in next year's budget, right?

Which we're gonna see another copy of later, right? So we can, just as we asked to adjust it for the COLAs earlier, we can say, please adjust this.

We can see the adjustments later. Correct. Okay. So we can make a decision today then, I see.

Yeah, well, you can give direction. It's not a final decision because ultimately the decision would be made when you finalize the budget. But you can essentially tell Ms. Howard how you want that budget to look like when you see it.

And then how does that work for Roy days being before then? Expenses start July 1st, but Roy days are before.

That's tricky. Right. Very tricky. Yes. Yes.

Thank you.

OK, so at our next meeting on June 16, we will adopt an interim budget. And what this does is adopt everything in the budget except what is specifically in the property tax impact schedule. Anything in that schedule, that is approved at the meeting in August. So Roy Day's is not included in that schedule. It's included in the original budget. So at the next meeting, if you would like me to present you a budget that has this cut out of it, I could do that. That's what you're adopting is everything in that without the impact schedule.

okay all right and i wanted to just um make a comment on janelle's comment and that's that when brian wait oh no it was die hand diane and i because it was a royalties committee meeting but it was still with michelle um but not the one that you and i had so it was diane and i and michelle and lizzie who met about um roy days that there i also suggested in the future another ramp grant application that would have gone to the movie in the park right at which today this year it's too late but that is something that actually could preserve it in the future or help to um alleviate that cost it's just not something we could incorporate this year because rent grants have been distributed and everything so it'd be a next year thing if we didn't cut it all this year but just good thoughts on that and just want to let you know that that is something that we that i brought up to her

So my concern is the same thing that we were talking about, like anytime we cut it, bringing it back, like even even to match a ramp grant means that we're going to have to raise taxes or if we get really lucky, then our sales tax or something or we get sponsors. But so that's my concern about that is bringing it back as a much bigger chore. And, you know, yeah.

And that's true. But, you know, we've been... For me, these are traditions that I've enjoyed for a long, long time. But we've cut... The low-hanging fruit is gone. And now I think we're at the... We're getting at some of the painful spots. And hopefully our ship will come in. But Friday events, you know... Gosh, if there's anyone that loves a salmon bake, it is me. I mean, I was, I'm all over that salmon bake. But I think maybe for now, if we can somehow get more sponsors or if we somehow can get, you know, great sales tax, maybe we could reimplement it.

So that's my other question. Depending on what happens tonight, let's say we do get a lot more sponsors to cover a lot of these things. I mean, you know, crossing everything. The decision for this actual budget would be, I mean, you have to know on certain things because you have to order them, but the actual budget doesn't come until we decide.

I will say, Diane, to your point, THAT SPONSOR FROM LAST YEAR HAS ALREADY DEDICATED FUNDS FOR THIS YEAR. SO IN THEORY THE SALMON BAKE IS COVERED. YOU SEE THAT ON AVERAGE IT COSTS US ABOUT $3,500 AFTER EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WITH THAT SPONSORSHIP. THAT COVERS THAT.

And where would that fit for the personnel cost? Because that would cover the operations, but it wouldn't cover the operations.

It doesn't cover that personnel portion of it. It would go to $2,000 of that personnel portion of it. Mm-hmm.

So you're probably still about... That's the Friday, all of Friday, isn't it? Correct. So I guess we could take time percentage on personnel. So it would probably be about half, I guess.

Probably more.

More for salmon bake.

Yeah, so it's probably about 60% to 75% of that total personnel that's spent on Friday goes towards the salmon bake.

There's not a lot of footwork, manpower that we need for the movie in the park. So the personnel for the salmon bake is basically, because we have so many volunteers that help serve it, is just setting it up, cooking the salmon.

It's all the setup, it's all the cooking, it's all the cleanup.

Yeah, and all the cleanup. And how many does that usually entail?

How many people? Oh, do you want people?

Yeah, how many people is that usually? I mean...

It's about 20 staff that are out there that day, and then we do have about 15 to 20 volunteers that come out, and they do the serving portion for us.

So if we have 65% of 11,000, that's $71.50, and if we say 70 where we're using a possible... you know, range, because we're not exactly sure. And we've got to that at 77, so you would, you know, if we put it somewhere in between, we're about 7,500 on personnel for the Salmon Bake, probably. Pretty close, yeah. Somewhere in between. Mm-hmm. So if we take $7,500 for personnel and we take $3,500, then that gets us, there we are, right, back to $11,000. And then we have $5,000 for the donation, so that gets us to $6,000. So we would save $6,000 for the salmon bake. Okay, thank you. What are your thoughts, Brian?

Question. Could we close the gap on what we receive at the salmon bake by increasing its cost by a dollar or two? You mean the tickets? Yeah. And no offense, not give. for free tickets each, but go to. I'd hate to see us get rid of both fireworks and salmon bake, but it seems like if you get rid of the fireworks, you'd have probably enough to do the movie and the park and the salmon bake. Or vice versa.

We have enough for all of it because it's all budgeted.

We're talking about what we could save to prevent.

Do we normally have a lot of salmon left over or is it pretty much finished?

We're pretty close. If we take a look at the numbers, which this is amazing you got this done so quickly for attendance, and if we take a look at the movie i saw the movie somewhere but as i recall it was around 150 people 150 people we estimate that go to the movie so so that's 150 so so that would actually be pretty reasonable because it's so late at night sometimes there are more problems so canceling the movie probably would be pretty reasonable because then the cost of that would be 25

Yes, please. All input is welcome. I can talk about the security part for the fireworks and for the movie. For the movie, we haven't had any issues. At the movie, they've gone pretty well. We only have two officers working that night. As far as the fireworks, we have all hands on deck and we are outnumbered 10 to 1. And I don't think it's providing any fun for the citizens because the fireworks are not being launched at the park anymore. And the ones that are there, we get so many kids, they take over the whole event and half of them are missing. I'd say more than half are not even from Roy. They go there because it's the last thing before, or the first thing before school starts. So they had done all the other events. Last year we had a lot of threats of the other parts of our shootings at the other ones where they found guns at the other Roy or South Ogden days and stuff like that. So it's always a big security event for us. And it just gets out of control real fast. We talked last year, we cut it down early so it would be done earlier. I'm hoping that would help out. And even with weather, we shut it down or we move it. As soon as we close it down at North Park, they immediately move right to West Park and they cause all the problems moving down there. And then now we're separated. You have some officers that have to stay at North Park to deal with those kids that stay there. And then you have the other officer at West Park to deal with that. And it's always fight after fight. We're running, trying to break it up. You have one or two officers that are surrounded by 30, 40 kids. And we don't know what they're doing. So for us, it is a big safety risk. for us to defend it, and I don't think the citizens are getting much out of it unless they're watching it from their house, because we can't really protect them at the park with the manpower we have.

Thank you.

Yeah, so I do know some cities like Clinton this year have separated their fireworks to a different day for that reason, to try to eliminate that. So anyway, I don't know how that will go. We'll see, but...

Yeah, I mean, I like the idea. If we're going to hold Roy Days on the same day of a different city, that might spread it out. It'd be a little bit more easier to control, but as it goes now, every year, it's been getting worse and worse every year for us. Yeah, right.

Thank you. I do think that's something to think about in the future. Obviously, we can't do that this year, because, yeah.

And I agree that, because when I used to watch him, when it was at Roy Days, was at Roy West Park, and you just stick around and go get a dessert and put your blanket out and it was more of a community feel yeah but i have to go when we have it at george wallen people start sitting out their blankets i'm like you know how the fireworks here right and they're like what and so i know a lot my family have gone over to midland elementary so you probably have to go down there and keep an eye on that I just have a church by my house. I sit in that parking lot and I can see the fire lights perfect, but I'm usually over there by myself or one kid. It's just not the same not having it at a park where you all put out your blankets and sit, but I know the safety concern because I know some went off into the crowd and then the wind came out. We had to shut them down completely one year, so with all the safety concerns and I don't know. I would be fine with doing away with the fireworks, the savings, and then the police that we have to pay. And with kids nowadays, you just never know. I know Clinton had some incidents. And luckily, we've never had nothing that bad. um and then maybe we could bring it back one day if we could get some donations but i really like this salmon bake and i think a lot of the seniors that count on that and go to that they would probably be coming to the city to buy tickets wondering because they're not on social media or not on facebook and they would be wanting to know why we're not having the salmon bake and if we can get you know money donated for that and do away with the movie in the park that would be the one thing I would want to say would be the salmon bake and I'd be fine with I mean I get tickets but I don't even use them because and so I think that all the council can pay their own way if they want to go to the salmon bake and um

I'm not a fan of salmon myself, so I was going to say you can keep the tickets. I like sushi, but not salmon so much.

It's delicious. I mean, it is the best salmon ever. But yeah, I think if we can do a cost savings, I think that council wants to go. And I like how we have volunteers that help serve, and that's really been a cost saving also. But that's just my recommendation.

Diane, what was the cost savings on the salmon bake? Again, you included personnel.

um so with that it would be six thousand dollars cost savings if we do personnel and and that's including that five thousand dollar donation that's including the five thousand i mean excuse me not savings it would be sick it would cost six thousand dollars cost six thousand dollars okay thank you and uh and the movie is sixty one hundred dollars with personnel and if you divide that by 150 that puts us at forty dollars participant, because you've got the screen for $2,600. You've got the police, if we average that at about $3,500. I mean, not police, but personnel. And so that turns us $3,500 plus $2,600 is $6,100 for the movie. And if you have 150 people come, you take $6,100, right, and divide that by 150. That puts us at, yeah.

Didn't we say that the movie in the park only took COUPLE OF OFFICERS?

RIGHT, THAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF PERSONNEL. SO WE TOOK THAT $11,000 PERSONNEL AND WE FIGURED THAT'S ABOUT, WE WERE SAYING 30 TO 35%. AND SO IF WE PUT IT TO 30% BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN JUST POLICE PERSONNEL.

SO THE ONE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED THAT I FORGOT TO REMEMBER IS THAT THERE ARE PERSONNEL OUT ON FRIDAY. getting ready for saturday so we're also on friday we've got myself a bunch of the parks crew out at the park so the the personnel is a little bit more difficult to Get the exact numbers per event. Yeah. So I would probably put like $1,500 to personnel, and that's probably very generous at the movie. And then the rest is getting ready for Saturday, whether they're out putting barricades out, getting our vendors set up, those other aspects, getting ready for Saturday.

so what's your new number then don't know so then what we have is we've got um 30 let's see so that'd be about 40 41 movie in the park for movie in the park even if we just took the rental that's 2600 even if you had no personnel cost That's still pretty expensive per person, you know, $2,600 divided by $150, I mean, that's $17. So you add, that's just $150 that go, that attend. And, you know, if we can get that RAM grant and we can have it earlier in the day, I think we would have a much better turnout for that. It's just right now we don't have that ability. So I'm thinking right now when we're trying to narrow things down, I'm thinking Friday movie needs to be cut.

I just want to add this as well. So if we put that at 4,100 instead for personnel and for the movie in the park, that's 0.15% of our shortfall.

Well, I guess it's kind of like we said before, we're using a fingernail file to chisel out of gel. So just a little bit here and a little bit there.

I also want to, on record, just make a note that when we went and Diane and I sat in our... committee meeting that she was trying to find ways to save the salmon bake how can we increase participation can we piggyback on moving the park can we do this you know earlier in the day whatever and she's trying to think of ways that she could save it and to make it glorify it again and so I just want to show I guess just kind of highlight her efforts to and her commitment to try to be more fiscally conservative and try to cut things that as she put it are the painful ones at this point and that she's, just her willingness to entertain some of these ideas.

Okay, Diane, we want to move on to the points of information, the public comments.

Before we do that, should I just back up a little bit? Is this something that we should maybe come up with kind of a conclusion then to move forward with? Because I know you have invoices.

Right.

And then we would do the official thing at the 16th or... Okay, so that would be appropriate. And I don't know if I'm the person to say that, but I'm gathering that we kind of, even though we hate to do it, fireworks are probably on the chopping block, and the movie is probably on the chopping block, but I heard a little bit of up and down on the salmon bake, because the salmon bake, we do have a key sponsor for that already. And I...

i could maybe come up with another sponsor for the salmon bake too to help that out so but would you move that to saturday then because just one thing on friday don't move it to saturday no we would just i'm just saying like well years ago it used to be thursday night remember well michelle you probably weren't here but like i said earlier we do already have 14 700 excuse me that's the wrong number

I have $13,750 already that have come in for the 2026 Roy Days events. The $5,000 was completely dedicated to the salmon bake because it met that sponsorship tier. If you guys would like to allocate, you know, whatever that balance is to keep the salmon bake. Too often.

It could be.

In theory, it's covered.

Not give any complimentary tickets except for those that are agreed to by the sponsors. So we've already agreed to some of those. But all the other complimentary tickets, that would definitely be helpful.

About your volunteers and... volunteers and staff that day, they get complimentary ticket as well.

And so we'd have to make a decision on that, you know? So I'm, but I'm not, I'm, I love the salmon bake, so I'm not going to be the one that makes that decision to keep it or not to keep it, because I think the other people need to do that. What I hear is that there may be ways to possibly cut that so we could have it net zero. And I'm happy to work towards more donations for that. I'm happy to pitch in anyway, but I would prefer to have other people talk about the salmon bake to make that decision because I already really like it.

Well, I guess we could just get a hold of each other and talk about it and then make a decision and then put it on the agenda on the 16th.

Well, yeah, when do you have to order the salmon?

We start buying everything July 1st.

Okay.

July 1st is when salmon bake ticket sales open and everything. So, yes, June 16th for a final decision. The only one I would like to have a little bit more direction on is maybe the fireworks. We do have a deposit that is due for those that we're just waiting to send out.

Okay.

That sounds like the fireworks are out. And do you think that the sponsor for the salmon bake would be willing to shift that sponsorship maybe to the other events so that way we could get rid of the Friday events this year?

In the past, he's been very open to sponsoring whatever. He hasn't been. Extremely. So maybe that can be part of it.

Because if we could get that moved over, then that would help those events. We can ask that question to them. And then we would be able to, I think, cut a lot of personnel costs. You'll still have some, like you mentioned, which I appreciate you remembering that. But that way we have, we're really, I think, putting a little more dent into it. So if we could do that. So at this point in time, is it fair to say that we can, we're going to cut the fireworks? Do we have?

I think so. Would it be too much to ask for a budget to see if we can incorporate Brian's idea to it at charging a dollar or two more per plate on that? And then I would trust that you would know how high you can go to where you start to dip into your revenue offset because people don't start buying them. There's a balance there.

Yeah, the tickets for the salmon bake are $15. And that gets you, you know, your salmon, your baked potato, your salad. DESSERT, DRINK, ROLL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO $16 A TICKET, $18 A TICKET, WHATEVER YOU GUYS FEEL, I CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT WILL CUT INTO.

BECAUSE I'M SURE THE SALMON HAS PROBABLY GONE UP IN PRICE BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS. SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO AT LEAST GO, IN MY OPINION, AT LEAST $18 TO COVER EVERYTHING.

AND LAST YEAR WE DID, WHAT, ABOUT 500 TICKETS. yeah but then you're right how many will not buy it that's that's a tough thing well yeah for me i'm i'm thinking we probably ought to cut it but if we get some of this information as we need to make that final decision we'd you know i think we probably ought to cut friday and fireworks okay sad as that is okay well we'll get back with you on that michelle we'll compile some more data for you maybe we can find some more money in the meantime so So right now, the only thing we're cutting for sure is fireworks. Does that give you information? That helps, yes. And are we for sure cutting the movie?

Yeah, I was for cutting the movie.

Okay, so we're cutting the movie. The only thing that's on the bubble would be this, how many big A's it sounds like. Okay, thank you for all of your help compiling this data.

Thank you.

Okay, do you want to go on to the points of information to public comments?

Yes, great. Let's do that. Well, I just thought it might be nice for us to have a little bit of time as the city council members to just review some of the different comments that have come up, some of the different questions. And I realize we won't be able to get to all of them and that sort of thing. So this is meant for everyone to have input. You might have a question that someone brought to you or something you noticed at the public comment. I thought that I would maybe just start in with a few. I'll make a few comments. please pitch in, you know, if I haven't covered everything that you're thinking of, and then just jump in for concepts that you might be wondering about, because we do have a town hall after this, so we don't want to take, you know, we won't take too much time with this, right? Go. So I think one of the first things I wanted to bring up is that there were several people that have mentioned what happened to the 28% tax increase money from last year. And I just wanted to clarify that to everyone, that the 28% tax increase did not go through. It was denied. There were no monies received. And so there are a lot of... further cuts. And so the next question is, well, what happened if we didn't get the 28%? We can't see a difference. We don't see any cuts. And so I just thought I would kind of review what some of those difficulties have been without that 28% cut. First of all, the 28% tax increase was meant to, for wages only, it was meant to get our staff wages to half the distance to median. So it wasn't full. It was meant to be done in two stages. We were going to do part last year, part this year. But because we didn't have any of that, we were going to have to make up that difference for wages entirely this year. And so what happened because of that? We actually had increased turnover because of the lack of that money. My understanding is we have lost eight more employees in the fire department because of that. Public works, we've lost several more. And in addition to that, sometimes the employees we've been able to hire at the wages we're offering are maybe not... Exactly. Some were phenomenal, and then sometimes it's given us more challenges. The court turnover is 325%, so we are now losing. We have no institutional knowledge, and so our cost for the education portion for just providing the service is very high. And I just want to remind people, every time we lose a firefighter, it's about $200,000. Every time we lose a policeman, it's about $150,000. Every time we lose someone in our public works, it's about $125,000. And due to equipment, training, overtime, and other staff to train, we have lost productivity, not to mention the other factors that go into that, overtime, et cetera. So even though the cuts are hard to see, we definitely have had significant operational cuts, supply cuts, and several positions which haven't even been hired. So those are some of my responses to the concerns of what happened to the 28% and why can't we see the differences because the difference is definitely there. It's just not quite as bold in flashing lights that we might see. Any other comments that we have in regards to not seeing any of that 28% cut or... And maybe my next question would be, people are concerned 55.45% tax increase will increase the taxes by $1,300 a year. And that certainly would be very concerning. Certainly any tax increase is concerning. But just want to clarify that that is definitely not the truth. They are probably referring to their total tax bill. But Roy City is only 15% of the total tax bill. And so if we take a look at that, for the average home, that would be about $17.74 a month. So that is about $213 a year. So that lets you know it's not a $1,300 tax increase. It's really per year. It's 17 a month or 213 a year. And that's what that equates. Because unfortunately, just so we understand, the percentage number is really not indicative of what happens. So if some city has a smaller budget, maybe they have a very small budget, but they need to... increase their property taxes to buy a vehicle, because vehicles cost the same, whether you're a big city or a little city. you know, if they have, they may have to have a 500% tax increase to raise $100,000, where for us, it's a 2% tax increase to raise $100,000. So just remember that that number sounds pretty bad. People use it, you know, for good or for bad, usually for bad. But just remember, you have to boil it down to what the actual amount is because next year things could be completely different for us and then to get a small amount might even look worse in regards to percentages.

Any other comments in regards to that?

We have not decided that that's going to be the percent as it is and so there's going to be a lot of conversations before that time happens. thinking that a lot of people believe that it is a 55 increase that we're already looking at yeah it's on the budget proposal but there's several other percents that were on there as well and we don't have to go with that so it's that that 55 is not set in stone we have not already made up our demise our minds on that at least i haven't i can speak for myself at least i have not made my mind up on that and i'm definitely I don't want to put myself out there saying that I'm not going to do the 55% at all, but I'm definitely leaning that way as it is right off the bat. So anybody that wants to say that we're definitely doing the 55%, they're incorrect. That's false news.

Thank you. Right, because that was the budget that Amber gave us, and then that was the top. But then we've all been working as a council to see what kind of cuts and what we can do. And Amber's brilliant with numbers and I've talked to her about it and we're gonna try to do the best we can to bring it down as far as we possibly can and still run our city effectively, so.

I just wanted to add to something that Diane was saying about the raising our portion and that some people look at the entire tax bill and think the entire thing is proposed to go up 55% and in numbers that we got from Amber and she had a pie chart that she showed as well and she sent to the council The entire tax bill, if this entire thing went through, would go up 8% of the whole tax bill. So it's Roy's portion, but not the whole portion going up 55%. Roy's portion could potentially go up 55.45%. And then the entire tax bill is 8.71% of the whole tax bill. So those are just another indication of how percentages all are very, very dependent on context. Mm-hmm.

Maybe I'll just jump into the comment that the tax rate never goes down. There are some really nice models that have been done that the tax rate actually if we do nothing if we don't have a tax increase the tax rate automatically goes down in fact 30 28 years ago the tax rate was 0.0025 and right now our current tax rate is 0.0016 so that shows how the tax rate itself over time has gone down because we haven't had increases And there have only been five tax increases in the last 28, 30 years. And that probably is one of the main reasons we're having the current problem we have is because we haven't kept up incrementally over time. And so just remember that percentages do go down over time if we don't do anything to maintain it. So even a little tax increase to maintain the percentage increases. would be a difference. Can we quick, oh, sorry.

Just in response, prior, in prior times, the council was having anywhere from, I think, four to nine percent sales tax revenue increases so it would have been probably in poor taste had during that same time we raised taxes on the people because people said what you've got enough And that's what happened is the sales tax flatlined. And it flatlined not in our favor, but caught us to where, yeah, we were rolling against the tide. So I just want to point that out. I also, we used the $432,000. as the average home, but I'm wondering, I live in a neighborhood that's almost 60 years old, and homes around me are selling for $500,000. And I live in an 1,800 square foot home. So I'm thinking, how rich am I? Well, I've got to pay the tax on what I'm assessed. And that's what's catching some people in a hard time because they can't sell their home for that because they can't go buy another one for the same price. So they're trapped. And that's killing, I just gotta tell you, man, it's hurting a lot of people. A lot of single mothers, a lot of families, a lot of seniors. And when you mess with the tax rate, it messes with who will come and visit your city as a commercial developer. So keep that in mind.

I can help answer a little bit of the average home value. I did actually also ask from the Weaver County Comptroller average home values as assessed by their office for tax purposes, which are not necessarily for market purposes or what you could sell it for. Indeed, ours was $432,000, which is actually the same number as Ogden, just an interesting little thing. that's how it's assessed for tax purposes. So just, yeah, because mine is above that as well, but that is accurate. Oh, and sorry, and because it's assessed that way for tax purposes, that's how the tax rate is applied, is on not what you could sell it for or what it could be purchased for, but that's the same method that they're going to use to apply a tax rate, is that kind of value. So just, I hope that helps to clarify that.

And I understand, Brian, my house was built in 1963. I think a lot of the same floor plan as your house. But I could never sell it and be able to afford to buy another house neither. So I think that's why the whole council is working so hard to bring this tax rate down because it not only affects all the citizens, it affects all of us too. so i will have to pay those taxes the rest of my life and i do want to retire one day and we all you know so it affects i have older brothers living roy and children and grandchildren trying to buy houses so it affects a lot of people in my life too so that's why we're all trying to do the best we can to bring this tax rate down so

And maybe we can continue this conversation. It's like 7.30 now, you know, where we have our fire thing. Unless there's anything else you wanted to bring up right away?

I had just one thing I think I want to address because I have heard it one or two times now, and that's that there is a wish that the city council could respond to public comments when they are presented. The legal counsel I received from the city has been not to respond because it can be sticky. to if we don't respond equally to everybody, and I recognize that that does close the door on conversation, and for that reason, I hope that people realize that they can always reach out to me by phone or by email to continue discussions, and I realize that that can be frustrating. If I ask a question, I would love to have it answered, but we do, by law, have to follow a certain parliamentary procedure and have been counseled legally not to respond.

So are you done then with your? Yeah, I think for now we can continue this at another time. Okay, yeah, so. Okay, so manager's report, we don't have anything, so I just had a few things I needed to say. First of all, there's been a lot of discussion on us painting the light poles, and I just want you to know, we're not doing that. And that's just been taken off the table. And the graduation signs all over the city that is paid for by Roy High School. Our athletic director Mike Pusey puts those up. No city workers help him. I mean, I think they might help put the one up on the fire station. But that is all Roy High School that does that. And the grave decorations will be taken off this Thursday. So if you have any family buried in the Roy City, if there's anything you want to save. And they do keep it at the Roy Rec Department if you have something special, a light or a flag, and then you go over there and it's gone. They do keep it for a week or two over at the Roy Rec, and you could probably go over there and find what... Also, on the water, we are watering twice a week. You all have meters. We advise you not to water between 10 in the morning and 6. I had somebody call me and tell me their neighbor is watering three times a week. Well, your water is metered, so if you water more than you should, probably in August you might run out of water and it will be shut off because they do keep track of it. Then, remind you about the concert in the park. The first one is this Thursday at 7 o'clock, and it's the Northview Jazz Band. You can bring a blanket, bring a chair. It's going to be a beautiful evening that night. Then, the others will be the 18th of June, 2nd of July. It's on our website, and there's flyers posted everywhere.

council did anybody else have anything they needed to say i just want to add to your roy assigned the roy high school signs that so many people say why doesn't the city buy why do they buy new signs every time and why don't they change the numbers and i think you told me that they do change the numbers and all of the money is from high school right but they don't buy them all the time they just change the numbers right just to put that to read go through fast signs mike pusey does um in roy

Just like we used to have the Barger Wranglers, we would just change the number on those signs, too.

And so...

I have two quick things. Okay. One, you should have gotten from a... Nate Delabout concerns with 6000 South. Okay, that's one. Number two is Wells Fargo now has a sign in their new building coming soon. I talked to them today and their hope is that they will be open later this summer. Anyway, that's all I got.

That's great. I saw that sign. I have a friend who has to drive to West Point to bank at Wells Fargo. So I'm glad they're getting that done. So any other comments? Anybody? OK. I just have one thing I just want to close the meeting with. Although we may have different perspectives, I hope our residents know that every member of this council and I are working hard to make decisions that are in the best interest of our community. We are committed to keeping taxes as low as possible, maintaining quality city services, and ensuring that competent, dedicated people are here to serve our residents. We appreciate your involvement and your passion for our city. So now can I have a motion to adjourn?

I move that we adjourn.

And I have second. Second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay, now we'll head downstairs to our town hall. Just give us a few minutes. Everybody wants to take a potty break or whatever, so.

I figured that out.

Well, you're smarter than I am, right?

No, it's just the meetings got longer and I got scared.

You know what I mean? Yeah.