City Council - Regular Meeting

Hello. How are you?

Thank you.

We'll call this meeting to order. And if the clerk would be troubled to go ahead and call the roll.

Councilor Heldenbrand.

Present.

Councilor Marrugo.

Here.

Councilor Johnson.

I'm here.

Councilor Gass.

Present.

Councilor Arnold.

Disconnected.

Councilor Cabot?

Here.

Councilor Halverson? This way. Councilor Corn? Here. Councilor Moore? I'm here. And Councilor Oropesa?

Here.

Mayor, you have a quorum.

Thank you. We have Councilor Halverson and Arnold that are kind of on a little executive tour working on the police station, but It always gives us another opportunity for an energetic prayer from Counselor Moore and a pledge of allegiance by Counselor Professor. Yes, sir. Please stand.

I pledge allegiance to the flag

of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Dear Lord, we thank you for this day. We thank God for each and every one of us to be here this evening. Father God, we just thank you for being our all in all in action and prayer. Father God, we ask a special blessing for the real family and the laws that continue to strengthen up and build them up, God. Watch over our police departments and our fire departments and military, God. In the name of Jesus, keep us safe from all harm and danger. Father God, as we go into this meeting, touch our mind, open up our hearts and our minds and our understanding that we may do things for you in your life and for the people of our city. Continue to keep us. Watch over Roswell. Watch over New Mexico. In the name of Jesus, Lord, we just thank you and praise you. Amen.

Welcome. I hope everybody's in and out of the heat. You know, it seems like it's a little strange, but 104, 105, it's been roasting, whatever, so we've been doing very well. So if we get it down, we've had the pledge, so now we have... So we move it down to be the first item off the agenda. You just want to take it off. CONSENT ATTEMPT.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THE CONSENT ITEMS, THERE WILL BE NO NUMBER TO GET TO THAT POINT OF 3-12.

OKAY. WE'LL MOVE THAT DOWN TO THE, WELL, WOULD THAT BE OKAY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE DOWN TO ITEM 19. AND SO IT WOULD BE 13 NOW BECAUSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ITEM

Okay. The proper motion would be to move

ITEMS THREE THROUGH 12 MOVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CONSENT AGENDA. 13. PARDON? NOT 13. IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO YOU DO THREE THROUGH 12.

OKAY.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL COURT FOR ITEM IMPROVE ITEMS THREE THROUGH 12 FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND.

WE'VE GOT TO IMPROVE THE AGENDA FIRST, MR. MAYOR, AS AMENDED. THAT'S DISPOSED.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR ITEM ONE, IMPROVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILOR.

AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. by Councilor Corn and seconded by Councilor Gillibrand. Wasn't that right? Who seconded it? That's what I thought too, okay. All right, and so we approve. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? You want a roll call? Okay, we'll call the roll.

Councilor Hildebrand?

Aye.

Councilor Marrugo? Yes. Councilor Johnson? Aye. Councilor Gass? Yes. Councilor Arnold?

Yes.

Councilor Cavan?

Yes.

Councilor Halverson? I think they're online, but I don't know if they can hear us or not.

Councilor Corn? Yes.

Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Oropesa?

Yes.

Okay.

Now for approval for Councilor Corn for item two on the agenda.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the adoption of consent agenda items three through 12. Second.

And that was Councilor Barujo second. So on a motion by Councilor, any further discussion? On a motion by Councilor Corn, second by Councilor Barujo. If the clerk would call the roll to move. for approval of the consent agenda.

Councilor Hildebrandt?

Aye.

Councilor Marujo?

Yes.

Councilor Johnson?

Yes.

Councilor Gass?

Yes.

Councilor Cavan?

Yes.

Councilor Corn?

Yes.

Councilor Moore? Yes. Councilor Oropesa?

Yes.

Okay. So now we can come back up.

Action. So we'll go to item 12. 13. 13.

Item 13. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

If I could, I'd like to give it to the council to be asked.

Pages 149 through 154 are irrelevant. They were...

prior budgets, what we did is pass page 155 through 157 as our budget for next year. And I don't know if it matters, it says any cash balances on each one is $630.25. That's supposed to be $630.27, but that's the budget that we passed at that meeting. So you describe, can you give us the page numbers? So page number 1 149 to 154. Should not be included in the minutes. Strike pages 149 through 154. Okay, is there any further discussion on the motion? Pretty much so for the planetary.

I'll second the motion.

Okay, we have a motion by Councilor Horne and seconded by Councilor Gass. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll call the roll. We can do a voice vote on the news. Put the box here where you want to roll call or voice it and I'll check. I'm always trying to help you and the cops with you. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? And the two who aren't here? So I guess that would make a prior vote of six in the affirmative. Eight. Eight? Eight.

Okay, eight in the affirmative, none in the negative.

And these two are absent. Okay. I'm here to do the airport update to give you guys some insight as to what's going on.

Tonight, though, it's going to be a lot like Miss Bobby. It's going to be short and sweet. And I'm not trying to suck up or anything. First, I'm going to start off with our inspection that we had last month. On the inspection, we did very well on the inspection. Out of the 14 items that we did get, I guess, a finding on, maybe four or five of them were actually airport related. The other ones were for the fuel farms and the ARF trucks. One of them that we had was that we had missing bolts in some of the fixtures and the lights that are out there. So they recommended that we go through every light that's out there on the airfield, replace the bolts that are missing. And then they also recommended that we buy a torque machine so we can torque every bolt that's out there so I don't know if you know how many lights are out there at the airfield that's it's quite a bit of lights that they're gonna have to be working on the other thing that we got hit on was that some of our lights on the threshold were misaligned so during the inspection we went in and we aligned those another big one was when it came down to had some taxiway uh markings that needed to be they needed to be repainted because just like everything else we i know we came to i came to council um i can't remember like three or four months ago asked you guys to get approval to paint some of the markings so the other markings that we didn't address those are what were on the list those are mike golf and hotel um So we're going to start working on that next fiscal year, start getting that painted, and pretty soon we'll have the whole airfield painted. I mean, little things like, let me see here. We have some where Taxiway Lima is going in, right, at the BLM. They have some barricades that were up, and I guess the barricades were a little bit too far apart, so that was one of the other findings that we had. And like I said, there was nothing big, nothing extravagant. We pretty much got everything fixed that we need to fix, aside from the painting. I'd like to move on to some of the pictures I have. So this right here is what I came to council and asked for help with. These are the markings on the taxiways. They were pretty faded. They weren't yellow anymore, and the black wasn't really black. The black was almost gray, and the yellow was pretty faded. The next slide. The next slide is these are the hold markings at 1735. And those were peeling. They were coming up. This is what Desert West did for us. And I know the questions were asked if Desert West was capable of doing it. They came through and they showed us that they're doing it. They've also said that they're going to go out and buy a bigger machine so that way they can do more a lot quicker. Because right now they did it with the little walk-behind painters. I don't know if you've seen, kind of like they do with the crosswalks. So they were out there for quite a while. They did a pretty good job on that. And the next one should be the runway. This is runway 321. That middle one is what the edge lines used to look like. And you can see right there that they're pretty faded. The first one is after they painted it. And then, so we're running into a problem at the air center. I don't know if you guys have ever, if you've been out to the air center lately, which is kind of a good problem, I guess, to have, but it's a problem nonetheless. And the next slide is the parking at the air center. All of the parking spots have been pretty full. Bless you. All of the parking spots have been pretty full, and as you can see, people are starting to park into the grass now, so we're going to look at some more options as to get new parking out there at the airfield, which, like I said, it's a problem, but it's a good problem to have, right?

Out there on that big place, the lot, it's north of the each side there's one big block there there's a lot of uh there used to be a lot of millions and stuff out by the highway on highway 70 and if you could haul that in and they said we could probably make that whole lot right and i know we had we had in the past we had some projects and they never happened um

With the new parking lot that we did, they were going to do the parking lot just north of it, I guess right next to the youth challenge, and that never got paved. And that lot, I believe, was supposed to get paved as well, and that one's right next to the DOT training center. But, I mean, there's a lot of land out there, and I agree with you. We're going to explore options to get more parking out there.

And also on your runway, it looks like they did a real good job putting the numbers on there, but maybe you should put an arrow and say land here.

We can do that. Put some land here on the, you talking the parking lot?

No, no, I'm talking about where they land short of.

Oh, you're talking about NATO. Yes, yes. We did have that. They did land a little bit short of the runway a couple weeks ago, and they took out a few of our lights. I think they were like maybe 10, 12 feet short. That was interesting. And that was on the 13,000 foot runway too. So next I have a report from United. United went ahead and sent me their numbers for last month. And right now their departures are at 1,740 and their arrivals are at 1,869, which the 1,740 puts us right about 56%. which is the month before that they were at 643 then the month before that so it's it's rising so it's getting more we're getting more and more passengers in uh using united and finally i have a report i know y'all were pretty interested last month about the uh the bar and grill uh for the month of may the bar made 11 264 dollars and eighty cents which again they're starting to increase as well the month before that was 8,000 the month before that was 6,000 so it's we're seeing a steady increase in in the bar in the grill a lot of it is probably due to the we do have all the beer and liquor now in the bar so I think that's what's helping out a lot and I stand for questions We don't charge for parking, no. I know Ms. Bobby and I have talked about that, but we don't charge for parking. It's all free.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, honorable members of the council. Thank you again for the opportunity. So I took the liberty of putting in people's places a copy of this year's poster. for you to enjoy, hang, and have, and we have some extra copies down here. They are, as we speak, being distributed throughout the town, and many of the merchants have been delighted to have these and rack cards available talking about the event. At the least, we're very pleased with the way the poster came out this year. I think it does a good job of combining the fact that we will have all seven classes plus the United States Air Force Thunder Roots. Not surprisingly, as we've now entered June, I don't know how we got here already, but we are. Ramping up coordination has been critical. The university, working with Dr. Powell and Bobby, had a meeting today that I was lucky enough to be able to attend to make certain that many of the things the university does to support the event are working well. They, too, in addition to improvements the airport facility is making, have been making improvements on their own land because we use some of their parking facilities along with the city-owned facility to be able to park the people coming in. And rather than anticipate one of the questions, I'll jump ahead and say it's our pleasure to be reimbursing the city a dollar for each of the parking areas we use. And we similarly reimburse the university each day. So it's a small but important fundraising service. In talking to the university, because this year, The Roswell school system will be in session when we have our STEM program. We had over 5,000 students last year. The current belief is we may beat the old Reno record of 8,200 and have as many as 10,000 students over the period exposed to the STEM program. And the university is committed to helping us have even more hands-on exhibits for the kids to work on. And as Bobby reminded them when we were meeting, when the Thunderbirds are here, they have a special program for kids. kids with special needs to come out to the Thunderbirds Pavilion and spend time with the Thunderbirds to do swag, meet and greets, and get autographs. Similarly, tomorrow, Bobby and Omar are organizing a meeting with the airport staff to work on other coordination issues, and I want to thank the airport staff for their continued efforts to make improvements in the facilities. They have successfully gotten a contract to fix the small problems left over in front of the grandstands for the handicapped ramps, and they now look perfect. Thank you very much, and I appreciate your staying on top of it. Pilot registration is open. We anticipate over 110 to 120 aircraft this year with the return of sport and unlimited. We have two weeks to go, and I'll tie it to ticketing. Ticketing continues to grow, but at a slower pace than the last couple of weeks. And my belief is that many of our long-term fans are waiting until we announce the full lineup of racers who are ready to come. So I have to get through this Friday and next Friday, and then we'll have that. I expect ticketing will take off. As we revise the unlimited and sport class, their decision to pull out, particularly the unlimited, the last minute, cost us a lot of trust amongst their fan base. They can't believe that we didn't know about it somehow in advance, no matter how much I tell them how illogical that is, because God knows if I'd known the Olympics were going to pull out early, we'd have made different plans. But all of that combined Paid advertising just started last week in many of our key markets, Santa Fe, Phoenix, West Texas, all the way to Dallas, and of course, Oklahoma. Our long drive time markets are very important to us. And obviously, with the United Connection and American Connection, The Dallas and Colorado markets are important. So as a result, I expect we'll be running ahead of ticketing about three weeks compared to a year ago. Because remember, a year ago, everybody believed we would have everybody on the party. So I thank you very much. I'd be delighted to take any questions. I'm back for a couple of weeks. Then I'll be back again in July. But in August, believe it or not, my daughter, which I can't understand, is about to turn 40 on August 10th. So on the 11th, I'm going to be here, and I'll be here straight through the race. But again, I cannot thank you as a council. for your and the city's support, and particularly what Bobby at the airport now are continuing to do going forward. Thank you. I'll take any questions that they're offering.

Any questions? Mr. Tillman. Mr. Tillman, thank you for all you do for the air show. Anybody who does not go do this, I'm missing out. It's a great show, and I appreciate all the work you're doing.

Well, I appreciate it. Oh, there is one last thing I want to make a request. This will be in the Instagram for the moment. But I wanted to do something for the citizens, particularly of Roswell in the immediate area. And the difficulty is, as you know, anytime you put in a QR code, it goes all over. You can't control it. So we've been reaching out to Farmers Market and if they are interested, we're looking at providing ticketing for Roswell and surrounding area communities that will be probably between 20 to 25% off our normal rates for residents locally. And We used to do this in Reno, working through the Scolari grocery chain. So I think farmers would be a great partner. But believe it or not, I've had a hard time getting through to them recently. So I've sworn that if I have to camp out in a doorstep, I'm going to do it. But I want to make certain that as many people in the local community have, to your point, and the opportunity to come and enjoy the races, whether for one day or more than one day. Thank you very much. I appreciate all your support.

Thank you. Any further comments, questions? Thank you, Mr. Collins. Thank you. Next, I'm going to start this one off. How do we do that? I am the system chief, Taylor, who is the long-sheriff of light. I'm going to be calling it light slide. Oh, yeah, and I would just tell you that metal is, I know it is metal, but metal is going to be...

Yes.

Mr. Mayor, city council members. Yes, sir. I want to thank you all for allowing me to be here this evening and to speak on the behalf of the Roswell Police Department and Chief Aldona. This is a very important measure for us to acknowledge and be able to honor our officers when they do exceptional items, create exceptional duties. And I would like to introduce you to Detective Matthew Shepard, if he would come up. I'm sorry. Yes, sir. Come on up. So, Mayor and council members, this is Detective Matthew Shepard. He's one of our exceptional detectives. He was an exceptional officer on patrol. He's proven to be an exceptional detective. And tonight we're here to honor him and provide an award for an over-the-top action that he took upon himself during a call. And I will read the items that gives the perception of what took place. On September 16th, 2025, Officer Shepard responded to 2501 North Main, the Allstops, the Country Club in Maine. Regarding the report of a male physically assaulting a female outside of the business. The caller also indicated the male may have been armed with a firearm. Officer Shepard arrived promptly and began searching for the suspect. He located the male hiding near the dumpsters and issued verbal commands for him to place his hands behind his back. The suspect immediately fled on foot, reached down towards his waistband, and recognizing the potential threat, Officer Shepard alerted responding officers that the suspect was possibly armed. During the ensuing foot pursuit, the suspect produced a firearm and pointed it at Officer Spard. In response to his immediate and lethal threat, Officer Spard discharged one round from his service weapon, striking the suspect and effectively stopping the threat. Immediately following the use of force, Officer Spard transitioned to rendering aid to the suspect until additional personnel arrived. The suspect was taken into custody and subsequently arrested. Officer Shepard's actions during this incident demonstrated exceptional courage, professionalism, and sound judgment under rapidly evolving and life-threatening circumstances. Faced with an armed suspect, he acted decisively to protect himself, the fellow officers, and the public. His immediate transition from force to life-saving measures further improvised the highest standards of law enforcement service. Based on his actions, Officer Shepard is awarded with the Medal of Valor. This is the second highest award given by the Roswell Police Department. Awarded to a department member for exceptional bravery at imminent risk of serious bodily injury, the recipient having demonstrated exceptional courage during a voluntary course of action in an extremely dangerous situation.

That describes the incident that took place.

You've got to understand that our officers face numerous situations and counselor Kevin you can attest to that these guys go out day in day out and they never know what they're going to face the reality of it is we never know if we're going to come home but in his actions in his training in his reactions officer Shepard did an exceptional and very brave and courageous situation. A lot of people will say, well, that's part of the job. Well, when you have somebody pointing a gun at you and you have a split second choice to make a choice that could change your life or anybody else's life, you only have that split second and you have to make sure that you do your job. You revert to your training and you do the best you can for yourself. for your fellow officers and for your citizens. And this is one of our exceptional officers. He's one of our newer detectives and he's proven himself to be an exceptional detective. He's going to be very well thought of throughout his entire career, not based off of this, but because of him, his personality and his character and his service to our community. So Mr. Mayor, if you would come down, we would be honored if you would. This is the Medal of Valor that is awarded to Officer Shepard. It's a very prestigious award, and congratulations.

Thank you, sir.

Appreciate it. You deserve it greatly.

Can you come over here? Yes. Oh, let me get out of your way.

On behalf of the citizens of Roswell, and, you know, I went through this with Officer Cavan, and I want to thank you on behalf of the citizens for keeping our

place in our community safe. I want to thank you on behalf of your fellow officers for keeping them safe. And I'm glad that you learned well and you practiced your profession to the best of your ability. And for that, we are eternally grateful to you. And thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you.

There's also a certificate that we provide to our officers during this time as well. It's from the Roswell Police Department that's certified that Officer Matthew Shepard has been recognized with this Medal of Valor in acknowledgement and appreciation of your exceptional valor and bravery with great risk to personal safety while demonstrating personal courage and selfless actions during the incident that took place on September 16th, 2025.

Thank you.

Yes. Appreciate it. Yes. We'll get up there and . Yes, please.

Yes, sir. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it, sir.

Well, your little one's going out the door pretty soon. He was really ready to go. I've been watching him. Yes, sir.

My son's very, very, uh, energetic. Just like these are.

Wherever you are. Wherever you want to go. I understand.

Center yourself.

Come on. Thank you.

Thank you for raising such a fine son. That's good. He had the integrity to do exactly what he's right and what he's told. He did a good job. Thank you.

Chief, are you going to get in? I'm not getting all of them in, but there's one on the sides.

Thank you, Chief, and congratulations on your victory as well. Thank you. Okay, thank you all for coming. Next, we have Stingett.

Mr. Mayor, Council, thank you so much for having me today. The president of Nautilus World Flag Football, we are the ones that just finished up our fifth year playing flag football out here at Cielo Grande. I want to read a couple different notes that was sent to me after the tournament from people afar. They're a couple guys that traveled in from Colorado to play. Um, one of them, I think they play together on one team, but then they play against each other on another team. But, you know, these notes came in at two separate times. I want to read these and then I also want to offer a small gift to you guys. Um, Kenny Arthur from Colorado, um, in my experience as a traveling competitive flag football player, Roswell sci-fi or sling it, fling it tournament is hands down the best tournament I have ever experienced, not only as an athlete, but also as a visitor to your community. The competition is top notch. The event coordinators show true commitment and dedication to the athletes and our love for this sport. It is always bittersweet feeling when the tournament comes to an end, but I know that in 364 days, I'll be coming back to compete and enjoy the community. Thank you for having me, Sci-Fi team. I look forward to seeing you all next year at Kinney. The next one is from a gentleman named Pat Yonda. I've actually known Pat for several years. We played against each other back when it was hike it, spike it, and then we became friends when we started putting the tournament on here. Sling It Fling It staff, I just wanted to tell you guys thanks again for putting on a great tournament last weekend. We had so much fun. We play all kinds of tournaments all over the country, USA Flag, Smash Mouth, MCFFU, Weekend Warriors, and X Flag, but Sling It Fling It is the best. It definitely is our favorite tournament to go to. I'm glad that you guys took it over and are running it. I appreciate what you guys do and put into it. And I can tell you that you really care about putting together a high quality tournament and care about the teams that enter. It is super organized as always. The fields were spectacular and that's thanks to Parks and Rec. They take care of the facility out there at Cielo Grande very good. And the prizes were great. I know you guys put in a lot of hard work. I run my own tournaments here in Denver and I have worked at Triple Crown Sports where we have tournaments with 300 plus teams So I know everything that goes into it. Anyway, great job again this year. Keep up the good work. Let me know if I can ever do anything to help. I'm definitely trying to recruit more teams from the Denver area to come down. I tell them all the time, once you come down, you'll get hooked and you'll come down every single year. We will definitely be back for Sci-Fi 2027, Pat. So those are two people, like I said, they play together, they both travel and play a lot of fly football. And the words mean a lot to myself and my team that we do put on a world-class tournament. I've been to many tournaments myself all over the country. Nobody does it like we do it here. And so with that, I want to thank city council for entrusting us to continue the tradition of flag football in Roswell. We were playing flag football way before it was as popular as it is today. So we're going to continue to grow, continue to be big. There was a gentleman or actually two guys that came in this year that haven't been since hiking. One of them said it felt just like old times. Another guy came from Amarillo, and he works with a guy from Dallas-Fort Worth. They work together on many tournaments around the country, and they're starting something big within flag football itself now that the sport has actually taken off. It may be something that we jump on here in the state. It may be something that we jump on with the tournament when it involves the kids. And so we might see some different shifts and stuff in that, but we'll see what next year holds, and we look forward to it if you guys will allow us. And with that said, I have a couple things for you guys.

How many participants you had in your camera?

Athletes, I think we pushed about 700 athletes, between 650 and 700. Teams, I think we were one or two teams shy of the 100-team mark. So we were just shy of the triple number there.

Did you have any problems with hotels or booking or fees?

We didn't. We actually teamed up with a couple hotels here in town. One of them, they gave us a 10-room block that changed to 15 and then changed to 20. I think all 20 rooms were full. The other hotel we haven't been with, but we're actually getting with those guys as we speak because we have the laundress tax stuff coming up for us too. Sorry, they're kind of turned over there a little bit. Let's see here. Right? Oh, cool.

She wants to eat something.

We're trying, we're trying. So I'll have you guys here in a second. There is a little something in there. Some of you guys may find it before, but. Yes, sir. Thank you. . . . . . So some of you guys have already opened them and probably saw that, but if you open up those rings and the top actually comes off and there's a little Easter nugget in there for you guys.

That is nice. Thank you, Brian. Thank you.

Yes, thank you, guys. Any questions?

Great job. Thank you. How late do you play?

We try to get everybody out, especially with the graduation weekend. Friday we do registration from about 4 to 6 or 3 to 7, 3 to 6. Try to get them out for graduation, and then Saturday and Sunday. Well, Saturday we only play until about 4 or 5 o'clock. We try to get everybody out for graduations and stuff at night. Would lights help? I mean, if we play Friday night, but I don't foresee that happening unless we bring back a show me the money type of tournament. Yeah, I think the biggest thing that, you know, we're going to start looking at, you know, with the help of you guys is the sound system and stuff out there. getting sound where we can play music throughout the tournament and stuff. So it might quiet down some of the music that we don't need out there with kids and stuff.

Thank you very much.

Thank you guys.

Well, next we have The Johnner baseball team, they did it.

They did it.

Mr. Mayor and Council, thank you guys for having us. That's not quite the whole team. I know there's a few missing. We actually got 12 at tournaments right now in Albuquerque and Colorado. They're already getting ready for next year. We got a few on vacation, but they all kind of give you their apologies for not making it here, but It is one of those things where it almost is like next year, which is kind of crazy. But just to recap the year that we had, the boys went 24-7 of their seven losses. Four were to 5A schools that were bigger than us. One was to a school in El Paso that was like the Dominican Junior National Team. And the other two were to Artesia. And so we ended up playing five total games against Artesia. They beat us twice. We beat them twice. And then the third win victory for us was a state championship game. The one goal we did not accomplish this year was the district title, which Artesia got, but we figured the blue trophy looks better in our trophy case than it does in theirs. Also, the thing we're probably the most proud of is from the varsity JVNC team as an entire program, we ended the school year with a 3.63 GPA as well. So they're champions in the classroom too. But thank you guys for having us. We had six.

We had six seniors. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations.

They're from El Paso, but they had eight Dominicans on their team.

KSVP told us they had people from Puerto Rico logging in. Thank you, guys. One more.

Similar.

Thank you.

That's the third name change. That used to be a great question. Then it was. They change names every time. Every time they get caught in something, they just kind of. Don't forget. Great job, guys.

Coach, overall? Sir? I had a pretty good dream there of the game, and it was a great game. Y'all were down to the beginning, you were doing so quick, y'all kept on coming back. Great job. Congratulations.

Thank you. Every game they had to come from behind or walk something off, so it was fantastic, and it felt very, very special. We haven't won since 2017, and that was my first one in 17 years as a head coach, so just got to get that first one right, and the next ones keep coming after. Thank you.

Employee out of state travel number 18.

This is for information only. Mr. Mayor, last month there was some disclarity. The reimbursements for $1,500 were not actually reimbursements. They were per diem based, so that was a clerical error that the person who wrote the letters didn't understand the difference between. So it was a timely report.

Okay, so everybody has it? So you can see it here from the police department, fire department, and the museum. So we're pretty well. Okay, is there any questions about EDR state traffic? Okay, public participation. Have we had anybody sign up, Madam Clerk?

No, sir, we haven't noticed.

No signups, okay. Is there anyone that would care to speak? Anyone that would care to speak? Okay. Okay, next. So now we have... Okay. Now we have approval of the minutes of the special city council meeting.

Item 13.

We already did it. We already did it. Oh, 19, okay. Okay, the recommendation here, the recommendation I had to draw on the museum board, and these were people that I had worked with the museum on getting about their recommendations about who to be there. Mr. Gillespie, he has been very active with the museum, and it was one of their high recommendations. Bailey Call is an artist, and she worked at the college, and she worked at Sydney, and she's very well known around town. And so everybody knows who she is, the flood recovery task force with michael's sick well that's 20 i better wait on that if anyone has any questions on uh those individuals okay

So did you recruit these people, or did they just walk in and walk in? There are people that were the board of trustees for the museum.

I did not repeat them. They were people that we have applications and someone wants to be on a position and they fill out the paperwork and then we rest it with the museum and we look at their qualifications about how well they're qualified. I can't rule out any of my favorites in the guard. Mr. Kaliske, he was someone that has been very active in the museum. Ms. Call, I had met her at Sydney Gutierrez, and she was an art teacher there, and she'd done a lot of art work throughout the schools, and she's very active in the field, in schools and the art community, and she's someone that is highly beneficial, I think, in adding art in the schools and bringing art to the museum and bringing the two of them together. She's very strong in that. And that's what I had there.

So these came from the museum people?

Yes, and people who had, if someone expressed an interest.

I don't have a whole lot of trouble with one of those. That's just me.

Well, we have quite a few positions down there. It's just like the cemetery board. The cemetery board is one of those boards that's very difficult to get people to belong in the cemetery business. And we're trying to get back so that it's time to go by one mortuary or the other. Secretary, I have a question.

I'm sure we'd really dig it if you got on there. Do I get to bring my spot?

Yeah.

We can cover it up.

No, I mean, we do. Are you ready for motion? Yes, if you wouldn't mind. Okay. Mr. Mayor, I'm

The motion by the coroner is seconded by Kevin. Any further discussion? If you want us to vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye.

There was one opposed.

Is that? Are we approved? Are you approved?

Can I hear you?

Is there just one of you there? Well, what? How many of you are voting?

Christina and Juliana.

Yes, OK. Can I hear your voice? Wait, hold on. Hello, Christina.

Yes, OK. The motion passes 10 to 0.

I don't know if she was going to say yes because it was Christina, or yes to both. OK, but we'll go ahead and give her the benefit of the doubt, because it's very difficult to get her to vote. OK, moving right along to item 20. And item 20 was approval of reselection for the New Mexico Flood Recovery Task Force that has followed, and it was for Michael Sanchez. Michael Sanchez, I believe he's pretty well qualified. He'll have quite a bit of knowledge in the area because he works for WACO Wireless. And I think in their constructions, and I thought they would have A great deal of knowledge about the damage that was done, but they've had to repair an awful lot of lines and work. And that's one of the reasons why I thought he was a good individual because of his employment.

Mr. Mayor, is this for a four-year term or a two-year term? Because we marked both of them there.

No. This will be a two-year term from June 12, 2026 to March 31, 2028. I believe they can have eight years. Is that right? On any expense. Or they can have four years if one of them is a two-year term. That's right.

That's the way that these work. Well, I'm just curious because they mark both of them down.

Is there a number next? Did I strike out the other position?

Okay. So was he recruited by you or did he just walk in the door? He was not recruited by me. So, what do you have to find us or.

My history to recommended him and he filled out the application. I told him about the position. Well, my concern is. There's 1 task force.

is pretty important to me. It's not quite the same as the cemetery stuff, because once they're done, eventually they'll be done. And we won't need them to be done. And hopefully they get all the work done that they need to get done while they're there. And I see that he's deployed the Black Totel. And he's got to be a good guy. He's trying to stand up. But it says here that he's the business services supervisor. So do you think he was out surveying the damage or preparing them for their equipment?

Officer, I don't think if he's a business services supervisor, I don't think he's taking He would be someone who would be in charge of making sure that the services were provided to all their constituents, to all their clientele that they have business with. But also, it has services all over the southeast of New Mexico and .

Well, my service provider. Pardon? My service provider.

They're our office service provider, which I can get other places too.

Yeah, they brought me back to planning, which is great. I don't have any problem with the company. I'm just kind of curious, you know, if it's out there, surveying the damage and assigning work orders and stuff. That's one thing. It's not just trying to calm customers. As a business manager, that's something else.

This is Director George, the city manager.

That resolution, put forth the flood recovery task force.

It listed the complications. Do you feel that this individual fits those complications?

Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem Meredith, based on the application, I don't really have enough information to opine on that.

And we say we're always going to follow our orders of the resolutions. I'm not picking on this individual. What I'm saying here is just follow the resolution that's asked of us.

What I'm saying, he may or may not. I just don't know enough about him to give you an opinion on that.

Could you... I'll read you the language here. I try to keep things at the ready.

Okay.

persons experienced in the fields of public safety, construction, architecture, engineering, hydrology, or other qualifications that are necessary or appropriate to conducting the mission of the task force. There was definitely a broad ending at that one.

Well, I mean, I'm like you. I don't have enough information here. Excuse me for a second. I mean, I know he's not an engineer because he said he had some college courses, so he's not a licensed engineer. And I'm not trying to be against Mr. Sanchez. i'm sure he's a great guy This is a very, very important thing. And we're, because I'm not an engineer. We don't have an engineer sitting here. And so we're going to depend on those guys to give us the information we need to build out this flood and to make some of the And I'm just, it's not clear to me, based on what small amount of information I have, that he's really the guy at the job. That's my personal problem, and I don't know if anybody else feels that way or not, but there's some of these things, and the next planning and zoning will get into it. I don't know anybody with a background in the country, but he worked for the World Bank. He's a great guy. I salute him. I couldn't call his name in half, but this is really the place for him. He recommended it. Mike is here. Mike is here. Good afternoon. Well, you know, I'll just point out, I don't know how many counselors have recommended anybody for this position.

I mean, you know, you look at it, I don't vote on that bill unless on the flood recovery task force, unless it's a unless it's a tie. And so I go by and people recommend somebody to me. I look at it and go for it. I don't know how many counselors have recommended anybody for a position on anything.

I've recommended three for this, and you've recommended two.

Well, to have three ain't bad, is it?

I'm not kidding.

Well, and I mean, I don't know. You know, a lot of us don't have a lot of expertise in all the different areas, and just like the cemetery board, I'm not going to get into your qualifications here in the cemetery, but you did a pretty good job of it. So I don't mind. You know, I would like to have more written days from every counselor from their district. And we just put a sign on here, what district they're from. I mean, that's just, I don't mind. I'd be glad to have more information yesterday.

But if he's not the only one, so he wouldn't be there, because how many, how many people are there? So even if he was, you know.

I think based on, I looked at his application too, I think it's fitting, but like I said, there's other people on the board to cover those things that you might be concerned about. It is very important. And I'm sure there's somebody that's been on the board longer that understands that.

That's for me. We know many engineers that want to sit on the board. We know many constructors that want to get off the job and, you know, be on the board. So we have a lot of interest, I guess. I don't saw too many applications for that.

So we've got one engineer and one water guy.

And I can't remember . So I think your concern would be .

And I'm not, because I know, I'm not saying that because I know him.

I just feel like there's other people on the board that this one person coming on shouldn't fill in on the blank and like that. And he did offer some valid information. He doesn't just sit at the desk. He goes out in the field. That's not a good thing. But then he'd be fine because you have to, you know, he wants to cover that kind of stuff. Where's Gordon? I don't have one.

Okay, your task force. I don't have one. Chris Cortez.

Gordon Patton, my least favorite, too. Brian Hoffman. And Chris Cortez.

And we were worried about district, and I think almost all of those people are in your secondary. But I think that's just it. uh so it's there's a good balance i think on the on the thing spiritually knows uh and the spiritual better wanted to help us develop every business site around the town and he knows what you have to have that's why You know, he knows what Amazon had to have on their computers and internet and all the stuff they had to make Amazon a site. And he's helped us push business-ready sites. So, I mean, I think Spirit is a good people. His recommendation, I think, is something that's worthwhile. You know, internet. It is a very important part of a business plan and how we recover it, how we recover from a flood, and how we go on to communicate during a flood. Whatever. Any further questions? Well, would, uh, Councilor Corman, do you care to make a motion, or do you?

Well, I'll make a motion. That's the job. Um, Mr. Mayor, I move that we recommend to the Flint Recovery Task Force Michael Sanchez.

Second. And we will close by Councilor Corman. Uh, second, uh, by Councilor Moore and Any further discussion? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye.

Another two? Aye.

One more? Aye. Okay, by vote of 10, the affirmative, none the negative. Ayes 20 to 2, we pass. Next we have item 21. And this is the planning and zoning for the recommendation of the equine benefits. Planning and zoning commission of Marcus Gonzalez, for a four-year period from June 12th to March 31st. Marcus is a retired police officer, state police officer. He was kind of downtown and expressed some interest in this position. And that's all I'm saying. To me, I've known him for a long time. He's a very low-living person. And I thought it would be good he understands the areas of the community on crime rates and everything else, but other activities that go on in the community. He understands an awful lot about the issues that go on in your community. Yeah, he does his homework.

little additional to your background on market c6 to go to work for the school district and do their uh security stuff i think adopting their new master plan for the city

And I know this guy. He's a fine police officer. I don't know what he knows about planning and zoning. Because one of the things we're going to do, I suspect, is after we adopt this master plan, we're going to be spending a great deal of time on planning, looking at the building codes and all sorts of stuff. It kind of pushes in that area that we really need to make a real serious look at. I know this guy. He's my officer. He was a patrol officer when I was a judge. I always came prepared. I mean, I'm just thinking that maybe we need to take a closer look at some of these advocates for some of these boards. Some of them require a little more knowledge than others. I mean, when I started running the cemetery, Judge said, you're going to run the cemetery. I go, well, thank you. I don't know the first thing I've ever done in the cemetery. So I learned all the fly. And so I know all the people who are capable of doing that. And I know Mark this season. He's a sharp guy. Last time I met him, I didn't know he was retiring. that he worked in our office last time I talked to him. He brought that to me. I didn't even recognize him.

You're right about that.

Until he said hi, and then I knew exactly who it was. So I'm just saying that We need to find as highly qualified people as we can until some of these positions. And I know it's hard, Mayor. It's not easy to find people of all interior kinds. And some of these boards take a lot of time. And I know the flood task force is going to take a whole lot of time before they get through the turbulent rains. And like we saw, it's a big project. You know, we've got to pay $2,000 worth of damage plus whatever we can do to mitigate that cycle, whatever that is. Planning and zoning, I suspect, is going to have an opportunity to look at all the different zones and also give us some input. I don't know that. We don't have to take any of the recommendations. I understand that too, but sometimes it's easier to find a recommendation that might get a scratch on your arm. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Madam Burke, if you would, on all the appointments to the city, if you would please send an email to every councilman and ask them, for recommendations to be appointed. And please, if they have any recommendations, please state your qualifications. So it would help us try to pick someone that is needs the needs. It's very hard to tell what people tend to volunteer for things that they know a lot about. And I mean, that's just it. i mean i don't i don't profess to know where every person is i don't have a map with where every person is i don't know that there's anything that says what war anybody's in on the application so in a way some of our lines get drawn in here on boards they get to be a little strident so it's hard to find i i would welcome any recommendations but if you send out The letter or any opening we have, and we'll just make a notebook and who recommends what your qualifications are. If you don't want it. I don't have any problems looking at it, but I don't know all the people in that. And I don't know who all qualifies for what, so.

Mr. Mayor, if I may. They can see that on our website of the positions that are open, and we don't get a whole lot of applications.

I know, but it's not like we're picking between two people. Sometimes it's the only one there. It's not like in a box at a cemetery. There's only one guy that's really involved.

Mr. Mayor, we might look at some of these positions and some of these boards, but we don't need all these positions. And we need to send it to legal. We don't have to do that.

and see if we really need all these citizen groups. I mean, they're great to have. I'm proud that every one of them will stand up and work for free, because that's what we're doing, working for free, trying to help problems be a better place. I get that. But we may have a bunch of minutes. Do we really need input from this particular section, this particular idea? I don't know. I haven't looked at all of them.

You know, I only get to appoint to the committees that you all pass and put before me. So if you take it away, that's all right. I won't do any appointments. And that's all I'm saying is that I only, what, you have the ability to make committees and take them away. I don't. So I won't appoint. Yes, we're working on 8 o'clock. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know, I certainly appreciate the comments of Councilman Corn, but again, as it said, it's hard to recruit

But the way I see it, if they're interested, in my opinion, they should be given an opportunity. And if they don't work out, we also have the ability to unappoint them through counseling. And so, you know, if somebody is truly interested, especially if they go into the website and they fill out an application with nobody recommending them then I would say give them an opportunity and I know that there's a couple of commissions like the like the cemetery and the planning and zoning those are state mandated so you don't really have a lot of choices in those two commissions but You know, their welcome is not a big talent. So, you know, the number of people that will step up is very limited. And I know you want to get the best qualified individuals, but sometimes you only get one. One individual. And thank God that there are other individuals in the commission or committee that throughout the year, Throughout their term there, they will get some kind of knowledge of what they're serving or what they sign up for. So those are my two cents. I think it was clear.

And this council wants me to pick between all the qualified applications that come in and have them. So put them all up together and say, I'll do that. Well, that's all I'm saying. That's your job. You understand that. But there are a lot of applications of people interested in serving. Not everybody wants to run a cemetery.

I got that. I don't know if I would be a city councilor or mayor either.

We have a whole bunch.

It's a great way to do business if the counselor takes you to deal with one question.

I was ready, sir. OK.

So you're the senior member sitting up here, yes?

Senior? Time and service. Does that make you feel a little better? Not really.

I don't know if you're bragging or complaining. So how many people have been fired by the city council in your tenure?

Because there haven't been a lot of people stepping up to...

If you look at the cemetery commission, for instance, there have been a lot of times that they have not had of the forum in order to have a meeting. And the same thing with Parks and Rec. You know, right now, I don't know how many they have, six or seven, and they're struggling to even have a forum. Okay. Go ahead.

You ready?

Yeah. Yes. Motion for item 22. Councilor Gorman, you make a motion and we'll give you a second.

21. I'm fair. We recommend Barco's potential as the planning zoning commission.

Okay. And if you say it by word, Councilor Brew. Any further discussion? All right. Yes. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Another two. One more. One more. Did you both vote on the wing with children? Yes.

You both voted aye.

Okay, thank you.

Somebody got to push that one forward.

That's we have resolution 22 the adoption of resolution 26 that going on our going to schedule for the submittal of the fiscal year 2028 20,000 32 infrastructure capital improvement plan Alton Johnson Make a motion.

Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve the resolution adoption of authorizes the middle of fiscal year 28 through 2032. It's infrastructure capital improvement plan, ICIP. Motion by Councilor Johnson.

Second. Seconded by Councilor Cavan. Any further discussion? Mr. Manager, did you care to enlighten us on?

No, Mr. Mayor, just some quick background, but I think everybody here has been to this rodeo. The state requires us to submit a top five priority list of these capital improvement things. This year, we went ahead and followed the ordinance, which provides that the infrastructure committee shall propose capital improvement plans. As such, they suggested the five and sent them to council. Procedurally speaking, we're not using stickers. There were too many complaints from the office of the mayor about not being able to vote, and I have to report to him periodically, as you are aware. uh the way we would do this if you don't like something on the top five you would simply move to remove an item so say number one and replace it with anything on the list that you would prefer and then if there's a second you'd vote and we move on so it's uh that's how you would do it if you have any changes and if not you can just approve a residence thank you

Go ahead.

Sure. Number one is a water transmission pipes replacement for $9.5 million. Number two is small pipe replacements at $2.5 million. Number three would be large pipe replacement at $10 million. Number four is flood damage generic for $15 million. And number five is city hall deferred maintenance. I'll say that management strongly pushed for two, four, and five. The $2.5 million small pipe, the idea there is that That amount of money is about what we can burn through what we anticipate being able to use with our new pipeline team for 12 to 18 months. You usually get better ICIP money if you have less that you have not spent. So we're trying very hard to spend our ICIP money quickly as soon as it hits. Flood damage repairs, while $15 million will not be funded, that actually covers a lot of items that are in our ICIP list otherwise and can be plugged in as needs are met. And then finally, City Hall deferred maintenance. That one, we need a new elevator at City Hall. We've got an estimate at 190 right now. We know it will go up, and there's some other improvements that we need to make along with that. It's an ADA requirement, and we'd prefer to be compliant with that sort of thing when possible.

That's one over. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Mr. Lightman, these are for 2018. Is it really two years out?

This money would hit in fiscal 28, so it would be July of next, 12 months from now. So this is what the legislature will look at in January.

Yeah, so we wouldn't see this money until July.

Yeah, and then typically September or October is when it would be released. So another 14 months at service.

So we're two years out.

Yeah, a year and a half.

Where are we on our current ICIP requests? Did you guys match those up where we're at? And have we spent everything that we've done there?

Yes. So if you were to. They won't give you more.

I want to know where we're at with our current.

So that's a tricky question. I don't have in front of me the actual raw amount of money that we have left. So we went through every single ICIP item, identified how they were open, if they've been funded already. So you'll see that – and some of them have larger price tags but are partly funded in certain ways. So if you go to page – 173 of your packet and James if you're still here for food to help me out at your convenience a good example is like the rack terminal expansion so we have that is there it's partly appropriate because we've got 2 million for those rack improvements similarly the airport event site is pretty much closed out but because we haven't finished every single piece of I think we're all done with that. So that one, when this document was created was not open, but that 18 million would be closed. Uh, and then other ones are still open and we're kind of indeterminately there. So the example of that would be number 71, the Roswell quarter wayfair design. Um, this was something done before any of our times. They got a bunch of money to make signs and then, but they want the city to just take them and maintain them in perpetuity. And there's no money for that. So, um, But yeah, on the whole, we're doing a much better job of burning through the money. The outstanding items right now are tied to parks. Tied to what? Tied to parks. What takes us longer to finish up is the stuff we don't ask for.

I can't remember. We had some lighting issues that we didn't ask for. I don't know whether we asked for them or not.

Lighting was always on our list. We're happy to take it, but it was definitely not on our top five.

And you don't get a choice. It's on your list. is legislatures are gonna pick and choose no matter whether you call them your top five or not, is that correct?

Pretty much.

And so, my other question is,

i see these large numbers like 9.5 million you know the legislature is not going to give you 9.5 million dollars yes this was something that was discussed by the city engineer and myself at committee uh that that sweet spot is a one to three maybe five million depending max so yeah we recommended smaller projects the committee wanted to emphasize uh the importance of pipe replacement From my perspective, one in three can be problematic though, because if we only get a million for large pipe replacement, we can't economically do a large pipe.

So, in that way, with item number one, I mean, water transmission, if you only get a million dollars from them, what are you going to do with a million dollars?

Exactly. Not a ton. And I guess I'd also note, too, that the Water Trust Board exists for projects like this. We're going to have two $10 million applications into the Water Trust. We have one already. We're finishing up one right now.

Let me ask you this, then. I have the water transmission pipe replacement tonight with $5 million in the works. Replacement for $10 million, can those be done through the Water Trust Board?

Yes.

Can we have an application in for both of those? Or we'll have them?

we have an application for one for one of them more different than an application for the second one uh but we'll be able to apply here in january uh sorry so the

9.5 million water transmission. We applied to the Water Trust Board for that last year. We were not selected. We can reapply in January. And January is when they opened four applications. So that's when we could apply for the other $10 million large pipe replacement.

It just needs to be on our list. Correct. Tell me about the large pipe replacement. Did we already apply for that one as well?

No, sir.

I don't get it. for $10 million from the Water Trust Board.

Right, that was the water transmission pipe.

That was it, and they rejected it?

Correct, and we can reapply in January.

So let me ask you, Councilor and Senator, when you see these, when you were out there in Santa Fe, you see these large numbers, how did you treat them? Because that's what we're asking for, are represented in Santa Fe.

to fund us these large numbers?

And are we just wasting our time by putting in our top five? And then they're going to pick some items like lighting again or whatever, but we really don't have as much supply need. So I'm calling on your Santa Fe expertise to

So the House only brings the funding first?

Well, then, the speaker must have been an ex-House member. Well, I wouldn't even be changed.

Don't worry. The Senate has plenty of opportunity to bend it. But generally, what happens on these big ticket items is that you get, depending on how prepared you are, if you've got a packet and you've already got the blending done, It improves your chances of getting some money. And water lines and sewer lines are kind of like streets. If you have enough money to build a mile, go build your mile. If you've got a $10 million water line, I don't know what it's going to cost because things keep growing in size, but maybe that builds you a bottle of water. And you just go as far as you can go and you tap into your old system and cross your fingers and hope it doesn't blow out until you get the next million dollars. But generally, it's been my experience, and they've changed things around a lot since I was up there, but once you get started down the money trail and you're using the money appropriately, the chances of getting continued appropriation for that project is enhanced. No warranties. It just works better if you spend the money and get the job done as much as you can. And some things we've already got planned. Some things we don't have planned. There's a planner, so we could maybe get the five things, or five top items, get something scribbled down, put down in January. But I don't think you have plenty of other things that need to be done. I'm not trying to add it to your list, your misery. Because when we were there, we built the university, the training center, we built the performing arts, we built the OC building, and did the student union and bookstore at one point. And we never got a big enough check to get it all done at one time, but we kept getting it a little bit at a time until we got it. And sometimes we could start construction, and sometimes we had to wait for the next year to get enough money to even start the construction.

So I'm kind of shovel-ready stuff. But if you have your engineering, that's real important to have your engineering done and being ready. Shovel ready makes a lot of difference in that. And you can, if our legislators get together and work together on things, that's how Senator Engel and I, and we got Highway 70 funded from all the way from Albuquerque to Amarillo. And we got that done by getting together, working together, even with Wendell Chino and We worked with mayors and everybody else all the way and all the way for what it does. That's a real important thing. There are some problems that happen when you have, when you have, when they divide districts and you have some extremely poor districts and then you put in part of the city in there and, you know, if you elected a representative from the real poor areas that, I mean, it's just, you know, Dexter and Hayterman and Lake Arthur are very economically depressed communities. And so they have an awful lot of needs in there on their water and everything else. So a lot of times they get things, but we've had some very significant needs, I think, in our wastewater plant. In fact, during the super bowl or something got shut down or almost we had ran out of power and everything else but we've got some changes that where we've done where we've you know bought the other farm we've got that stuff done so we can move on down the road to approve them so that should help us an awful lot in when we go to these grant places and ask for more money because we've got the We invested a significant amount of money. We've got the land there to where we can do something with the water and go down the road, so that'll help us a lot. The one thing we have got to get a plan together to show the damage that was done to this community when the bays moved out of here. I mean, we are so far behind on our water pipe, and all our water pipe is way out of date. And if you turn around and you look about, you know, sewers and stuff, and you look about the water, it might get in the water there. When the water reaps, we have some issues too. You've got to remember, everybody's come in there on top of all these water lines and sewer lines that are down there. They put in internet and gas lines, everything else, Tom, they can hear you, want to put them around. They put them in there, and they're on top, and it makes it extremely difficult to change lines and to move them. So we have some significant increases there with problems that are going on there. I can't tell you why I put that pipe in my office. If you look at the picture, so that downsized pipe, or cast iron pipe, and what Councilor Johnson broke over there at the highway department, that was a steel line, as I recall. And it's just a little, That's to the other water tank. It's our reserve water tank. If something happens to the two big ones that the other council didn't fix in 2011. We have a lot of deferred maintenance. But if we get this in, fine. We have got to go to Washington and ask for megabucks to do our water system. And not to mention that when we have one of our neighbors downtown, It has some significant sewer issues because the sewer lines are collapsing because they weren't made out of a strong enough pipe.

Okay. Will McGaughan for Kevin. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So part of Councilman Hilliard's question, which is a very legitimate question because sometimes we end up having rogue elected officials. Sometimes we have rogue legislators. that end up making decisions on things that we don't need to look for in this ICIP. I mean, we have a splash pad over here. We have ballpark lights. We're about to finish, I hope, here within the next nine months, the Mines Hondo. But those were things that we didn't ask for, but a senator decided he wanted to appropriate those funds for us to do that. The one thing I would say about our ICIP is that the work that is done by the mayor and and by our current city manager and those that actually go up to santa fe to lobby our legislators to get things that we need for our infrastructure for this community that's really i mean we could we could put five we could put 40 to 45 million dollars on here on one but they're going to be the ones or they want some of us to go along with to sell to our legislators But it's gotta be a reasonable amount of money because they don't have that much money to distribute. So we have to make sure that we pick and choose the right things to put on this ICIP list and put them to work during the legislative session to make sure that we get the funds that we need for Roslyn. So to your question, yeah, things that aren't even on here will show up because you have somebody who's out there asking for and the legislator decides to approve it.

Thank you for the question. Before we move to a second one, Councillor Halverson has requested to speak, and so has Councillor Arnold. So, Councillor Halverson. Okay.

First off, I'm sorry to get in the way of the committee if you want to speak using your microphone, so we can't hear what you're saying right now. What are the chances of getting a $10 million project?

We can't understand you, so you're going to have to get closer to your opponent.

Mr. Mayor, she asked what are the chances of getting a $10 million project? In my experience, it's close to zero.

Okay, then I would like to make an amendment that I have a number three be removed.

It would be great if I have a number two.

were you all able to hear that yes number 82 which is a six hundred thousand dollar acquisition of the land adjacent to fire station one

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I'm trying to get it done. Mr. Mayor, there is a motion on the table, so you need to request a second or we'll die for lack of a second.

Okay, we have a motion to replace item 3, the $10 million appropriation, with item 82, which is the property acquisition for the uh fire station three for parking this says facing one they have a motion is there a section hearing down the motion guys for lack of a second okay so who's saying that council arnold

all right so okay it was a motion in the second by council honor is there any further discussion is there any further discussion yes you know i noticed uh these are large ticket items and we did talk to them talk about these extensively uh And we all have the same consensus that the city of Ross will need water lines replaced. And we need them replaced sooner than later. And yeah, there's no doubt these are big ticket items. But I mean, the possibility of even reducing these or even the possibility of these getting phased in is these are shelf ready to go to work. This is work ready to go right now. All we need to do is get the funding, we go to work. I get it. I mean, I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be, for these ICIP programs. I put in multi-million dollars and I've received them, but I've been in a different capacity. I'm not sure about these. My experience with these are limited. I just heard the city manager say pretty much zero percent. But once again, are these phased projects? Are these eligible phased projects? We do you know, 2.5 this year, 2.5 next year. I don't know, Mr. Warnock, I'm not sure if you know, I mean, this is all new to me, but at the same time, I think our critical needs are lays within our water infrastructure. And that's exactly why it's on here right now. And that's exactly why we're pushing for it. You know, I respect Councilor Hildebrand, Will, you know, You guys are spot on. You guys know more about it than I do. If we're putting something out there that isn't going to happen, you know, now's the time to address it. But at the same time, can we reduce it? Can we, you know, I just think it's a priority, but maybe not so much at that dollar price. Thank you.

Any further comments? Councilor Gage? Go ahead. You know, when we talked about this in our infrastructure, we said our biggest needs are water, infrastructure, and roads. And that's where we came up with this stuff. If we're going to replace something, I think you've got to have a need. First of all, if it's a need in water, like maybe number four is a water line. We've got to do anything we can to repair our water infrastructure. You know, and I think if you're going to replace something, you have to do something you have to have right now. I don't know if we have to have parking or not right now, but I'd rather fix some water line project. You know, the other alternative, if I was going to go to something else, we have to buy police cars every year. We have to. If we don't get it here, we're going to. So if you put the police cars in there, which I know we've budgeted for some in next year. Then when you get that money, if you get it from here, then you can take it out of the budget and put it to Waterline. So you're really getting money for Waterline anyway. So if I were going to replace something, replace one of these large numbers, but I, you know, I know in the past that we've had, and I only know Boone and Murphy and Zell's positions are giving us money. Is there a fourth one? wherever it is, if there is a fourth one. You know, we can lobby them to go together and get us, if they each get, you know, if they each can give us a certain amount of money, we can get a large and significant amount of money toward the $9.5 million toward a water line project that we really have to have, or to the $10 million water line project that we really have to have. I think the urgency of water lines outweighs anything else. And if you replace it, replace it with a water ladder, replace it with something like police cars that we budgeted for, so if we get this money, we can move that into budget and put it to water lines. So, thank you.

Mr. Mayor, just to clarify, this money would be for two fiscals from now?

Two years from now.

Yeah, so the legislature would appropriate it in January, and then it would hit in fiscal 28.

Right, so in, like, October of 2018.

Right, so we wouldn't be able to change this year's budget.

Oh, I see. But police cars are going to be in. We've got to buy seven or eight or whatever police cars every year because they're only five years, and we've got, I don't know how many, 60 or 70 or whatever. We've got a councilman, Joe Granford. Yeah.

James, could you tell me what the shop is? Washington. I know we got a motion before, but I want to understand what the South Washington reconstruction is.

Repaving a piece of South Washington.

It's a repayment job. Yeah. How big of an area is it?

I apologize, I didn't bring that paperwork with me.

To me, that's an infrastructure item right there. And If we did put it on the ICIP list, how long do you think it would take for you to get there using your normal? Would you get there by 28? If we don't put it on the ICIP list?

Probably not.

You wouldn't get there, would you?

No.

But to me, that's a real infrastructure move. And let me ask also the city manager, when is this list due to be turned in? Is it imminent that we have to make this decision tonight?

Yes, July 1. So you could definitely meet before that. Last year it was July 15. The year before that was July 15. The year before that it was September or October. Apparently they need a lot of time to process a list of five up in Santa Fe.

So we're really going to have a lot of time to put through this?

No. We didn't find out that it got... Usually, you can recall last year this went through everybody because we had a lot more time. We were expecting it to be after the next city council, and then we got hit with the date change, which is why we're discussing it in June instead of the July meeting.

Thank you.

Further comments, Mr. mayor, council, and. Okay.

Councilor Arnold, and I just wanted to reiterate a couple points. The process of replacing our water supply system has been on the forefront of our minds for about five years now. The focus of getting fiscal support to make those actions needed is very similar to what we had to do on the safety of the flood. I do not believe that this is a villain. And that's why I think allocating it towards local projects is a lot more realistic in getting it accomplished. I believe the water rights are absolutely inherent.

This is just not the correct approach to get it done. Also, I would say if you've driven down Richardson,

And that's why this Good counselor that was that in this council normal correct.

Yes.

So we have a house. Did you go to answer on this? Any further comments? I would just say that I would not support changing the $10 million and it's strictly because

This is a public safety issue on the delivery of the water, the conditions of our pipe, and the ages of our pipe. We have over $161 million worth of needs, 161 miles of 12-inch, 10-inch, and 8-inch pipe that need to be replaced right now. It's 85 years old, two supplies, and it's 40 years. I'm sorry, I think this makes a statement. We can get $10 million from the legislature and they gave us some money, five million, we can go to Congress and say, you need to at least match that, or give us five or six times that. Because I think it's that important to make a statement here of what we need. I don't think we can get too far by funding parking for fire station one, I understand. There's a problem there, and we have to build more buildings and things there. And I understand that, and I drive it. Fire Station One, Walnut's been blocked off for a month already or six weeks already for me, and I used it every day two or three times. So I understand that, and I think we have got to make a statement that we need water, more than anything else that we have. Thank you. Okay. Is there any further comments? All right. So I'm done. Everybody's done? Okay. We have a motion on the floor by Councilor Harris and Sano, by Councilor Flea, Arnold, to change the $10 million item, was it number three? Large pipe replacement, item number 19, to change that with item number 6082 for 82, which is for $600,000 for parking at the fire station. Okay, that is the motion. If you're starting to call, roll.

Councillor Bellinger?

No.

Councillor Marrugo?

No.

Councillor Johnson? No. Councillor Gass?

No.

Councillor Arnold? Yes. Councillor Cavan? No. Councillor Halverson? Yes. Councillor Corn?

No.

Councillor Moore? No. Councillor Oropesa?

No. By a vote of eight to two, the motion fails. So we're back on the original motion that we have on Councillor's motion by Councilor Johnson is seconded by Councilor Cavan. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Councilor Gillibrand.

I've got to ask the question for City Hall. Do you think your elevators will last until 28? I mean, it's got to be there before 28. We plan to hire a team of three to four very strong individuals, and they will be pulling the...

Yeah, the short answer is...

I don't think this is on your budget, so I don't know where you're going to hire them.

You can hire them while you want. We've got public affairs. They're pretty good people. No, I think we've been making it work, and that's what we... Are you going to be faced to get that done before 28? Potentially. I guess I do not know enough about elevator maintenance. This is what facilities asked for, so...

You can ask the governor's emergency jobs. I don't know.

Yeah, like that's the.

Accessibility. Yeah. And if, and, you know, if Captain Corbett uses that for stand-up coffee, you know, he could be part of his cemetery business.

I don't support those. Absolutely.

You're the one that's using it.

Well, that elevator has got to be something that comes down from 28. And why would you want to put it on this list? So my feeling is, as this council, I'm going to go with the South Washington reconstruction. That's an infrastructure move. So, Mayor, I would like to make a motion to remove the city hall, the main circle, if I can replace it. I have number 61, South Washington Reconstruction, which, that's not my ward, but it's in the city. How much is this all? $300,000. I don't know what number it is. Oh, 61. I'll second it.

All right, so we have a motion to replace City Hall Deferred Maintenance. Item 69. City Hall Deferred Maintenance, item 5. We're going to change that. Item 62. 61. 61. Okay. Okay, that's the motion. It was made by Councilor Pilgrim, seconded by Councilor Gatt. Okay. Okay, comments from councilors? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

I don't really recall, because I think it was discussed at the infrastructure committee meeting, But the purpose, and I'm not sure who made the recommendation for the $250,000. If I remember correctly, it was made because it was a smaller amount. It had more of a possibility of being approved. Do you remember?

I think that's right. Yeah, I do, and also the ADA compliance part of it. We are definitely out of compliance, as we speak.

We'll ask the fund it this year, but that's up to you.

This is two and a half years out. This needs to happen pretty soon now.

The money would hit in 15 months.

But we need it in zero months.

I mean, it's working today.

Yeah, it's probably working now.

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Any further comments?

Okay, seeing none, we have a motion to replace item five with item 61, which is replacing deferred maintenance on the city hall. Deferred maintenance there when the item 61 is a Washington Street construction. If the clerk would call the roll.

Councilor Hildenbrand?

Aye.

Councilor Muddlepole?

Yes.

Councilor Johnson? Yes. Councilor Gass?

Yes.

Councilor Arnold?

Sure.

Councilor Arnold, can you hear me? Yes, I'm trying to decide how I feel.

I can't pass, so no.

Councilor Cavan?

Why not? Yes.

Councilor Halverson? No. Councilor Corn?

Yes.

Councilor Moore? No. Councilor Oropesa?

No.

I have a vote of six to four. Motion passes.

Move to reconsider. Come on, no guess. Take your vote. You want to see how I vote? Come on. I'm saying it's all to know. Really? Yeah. I mean, he asked for it. Well, you can do whatever you want, big boy.

All right. You can vote down there. Every once in a while.

You get the stickers this year, so you get to vote.

All right. So now that means... okay we'll keep moving right along here okay we're back on the original motion now on the original motion by Councillor Johnston and seconded by Councillor Catton. Seeing no further comments or further call, we'll move.

Thanks very much. Councillor Heldenbrand? No.

What's the original motion? Don't change the story. Just to match it the way it is. No. Okay.

Councillor Maroonville? No. Councillor Johnson?

Yes. Councillor Gass?

Yes. Sorry.

Councillor Arnold? No. Councillor Cavan?

Yes. Councillor Hopperson? Yes.

Councillor Corn? Yes. Councillor Moore?

Yes.

Councillor Orovesa?

Yes. I motion the 7-3 resolution.

I move the 7-3 resolution, 26-K, 29 for the adoption, 26-29 for the author and submittal of the financial year 28, 2028, third year of structure, ICI region minor. So we have next three votes. Item 23, proposed ordinance 26.05, authorizing the issuance of industrial revenue bonds for the Nalga Soar project and the execution of the bond purchase agreement. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Ordinance 26-05 to authorize to advertise for public trade, not proposed. Ordinance 26-05, an ordinance authorizing the issuance of industrial revenue bonds, Gallagher Solar LLC project, and execution of the bond purchase agreement in nature, lease and sublease.

Second. Okay, by motion, Councilor Cammons, seconded by Councilor Townsend. Any further discussion? Councilor? Does everyone understand it? Okay. So this, we probably need to call a roll on this. We don't? Voice vote? Okay. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Okay. We have a motion vote no by filibrand and count and it counts for more voted no is there any other no votes any other no no who's that okay Allison, you're okay with it? She stepped out of the building. She stepped out of the building. Okay. She will be absent?

Yes.

All right.

By vote of six in the infirmary, three in the native. Item 46-05 has duly passed. Okay. Next we have the whole public hearing. Oh, the whole public hearing. This is just the whole public hearing. Okay. Okay, next we have Councilor Cummings for Rafe Maloney. Are there any councilors scared to bring up Councilor Korn in the elevator?

Nope.

Councilor Korn.

I've got a comment. What used to happen was somebody would bring an idea in and they'd get a planning letter. They'd get a $45,000, $30,000 planning letter. And they got home and nobody was on the project, so the bank would accept it. I don't know how many hundreds of millions of dollars of money that's in the China Bank. Nine billion. Nine billion? Billions. It's been allocated that nobody's ever come and got. And since they've been working through the process trying to figure out a way to to get that done, one of those ways is to make sure that you spend the money that needs to be spent. And so it's important that we, if you've already got plans, then that's your plan enhances your ability to lobby those ladies and gentlemen up there. And they have already found yes. And it enhances,

Okay, any further council comments? Mr. City Manager, do you have any announcements or information only that you would like to give us?

Some of you all have an early wake-up time, so just two things. We are 76% staffed on the ambulance service, and it will be up and running at 8 a.m. on June 18th. We hope you don't have to use it. June 18th. We hope you don't have to use it. That's when the contract expires, and instead of paying them for two more weeks, we're ready to go. Similarly, TJ's not here, but she did get a $75,000 grant for tourism money the other day, so I just wanted to say kudos to her. Never hurts to get that. Otherwise, June is kind of quiet. We're just kind of closing up the finances, and we're going to get ready to go hard starting July 1.

Okay, Maddie, what time are we supposed to be there in the morning?

No, David, it's 445.

No later than 4.45. It starts at 5 o'clock to ask them to be there at 4.45 at the UFO museum. Okay.

Is there anything else to come before the council? Natural Taylor, you did it.

Chief Taylor, you did it.

Congratulations on your election. I was going to be glad. I really look forward to seeing us, all the police agencies working together. And I think the county and the city are working together very well. And I appreciate all of you going back together. So thank you very much. And our county, Jessica, Abram, the police, and everybody else together. Thank you. Anything else?

Thank you very much.