Planning Commission - Special Meeting

I'm so tired of hearing that. The September 23rd, 2025 meeting of the Council and Planning Commission joint special meeting to order. And roll call, please.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to ask the Planning Commission first. Council Member John Tang's absent. Commissioner, I'm sorry. Commissioner, Commissioner Daniel Lopez.

Here. Here.

Commissioner James Berry is absent. Commissioner Vice Chair Lana Ong. Here. Chair Emma Escobar. Here. Thank you. Council Member Polly Lowe.

Here.

Council Member Shandang.

Here.

Mayor Pro Tem Sandra Armentzen. Here. Mayor Margaret Clark.

Here. Thank you. All right. First, we have public comment. Do we have any public comments?

At this time, no public comments were submitted.

Okay. All right. We'll open the workshop. And we'll have staff explain what's going on.

Good evening, Mayor, City Council, Chair, and Planning Commission. Trumark Homes has submitted a pre-application for the development of a mixed-use project located at 8001 Garvey Avenue. Trumark Homes would like to present Garvey Village to the City Council, Planning Commission, and the general public to receive feedback and input. for any questions you all may have. I would now like to turn over the presentation to Phil Wagner, Vice Principal of Land Acquisition for Trumark Homes. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening. My name's Phil Wagner, and I'm with Trumark Homes. I'm happy tonight to have my commercial developer partners, Mike Tsu and Steven Liu here with me, and I'll give a brief overview tonight of the project and our companies. And when I say brief, I mean brief, because I know the question and answer period is probably most near and dear to our heart. I would like to start by saying I've been working on this potential project for 10 years now. And so I'm hopeful it's aging like a fine wine, but we shall see. But I do want you to know in all sincerity, we're here with a spirit of working together, hopefully listening and finding a way to bring this project to life. True Park Homes has been in business since 1988, and in its most simple distillation, we are now a builder developer that works throughout the state of California. We're in Colorado, and we're looking to expand into the western United States even more. I think somewhat importantly, we are a private subsidiary of Daiwa House, who is a Fortune 400 global company, meaning we have capital capacity to take on a project of this magnitude. I had mentioned Mike and Steve as I first introduced the team, and I think what is a really powerful integration of energy is the fact that Mike and Steven and their VG Property Investments Group really has been a part of the social, economic, and general fabric of San Gabriel Valley for decades. There's two particular developments I would call out that really epitomize that. They developed and built the first shopping plaza in Arcadia. And tonight they did not bring their pillows, but they are in the midst of opening a Hilton in Arcadia, which is about two months out, meaning they are tirelessly trying to bring that project to life. And so I think we have a wonderful working dynamic The other thing I did want to leave with was the fact that The Cellar has their team here tonight as well. And having worked on this project for 10 years, I do truly believe there's a moment here where kind of the gravitational forces, if you will, between the city of Rosemead, True Mark, Mike, and Steven, as well as the seller, are kind of all pulling in the same direction. And so we're very hopeful right now that we can bring this project to life. In moving into the Project Excel, one of the key ingredients is that we believe it does conform to the requirements of the specific plan. We've submitted a pre-app, like Annie said, and we've worked through those comments tirelessly. And by the way, staff's feedback has been crisp and clear and timely, which is fantastic. very helpful in our position. You know, every day that goes by, we're spending money, and to get that type of feedback from staff is unequivocally invaluable. So, a sincere thank you in that regard. And then just a really brief overview of the project, because I know everybody has received a package that included the site plan and architectural plans and myriad other information. So I don't want to dwell on it. So in just moving quickly, the commercial component, And I'll depict it here. On the corner of Strathmore and Garvey, there will be a restaurant and office building. On the first floor will be 10,000 square feet of restaurant. On the second floor, there will be a food hall of six to eight vendors, just depending upon how well Mike and Stephen do to represent bringing clients. And I will mention this, Mike was the gentleman who brought Din Tai Fung to the United States. And so as they've grown in some small measure, we can thank Mike for that. And we were just there this week with my kids. So thank you, Mike. And then the second component of the commercial development is a hotel. It's 187 keys, it's approximately 102,000 square feet, but it's a dual branded hotel. And it's home to Swede as well as Hampton Inn. Mike and Steven already have, you know, when you're dealing with a hotel brand, notably a global hotel brand, There are numerous hurdles through which you need to jump to bring the project to life, and it's frankly a protracted process. But Mike and Steve already have the first two steps done where they have the location approved by Hilton, and they also have the brands depicted, which is no small feat. And then as you can see, there is a parking structure that walls are approximately 25 and a half feet, but there are three levels of parking. Moving on to the residential component of the project. You can give me one minute. We, Trumark, plan to build approximately 201 homes. One thing we're proud about relative to this project is we have three different product types. And we think those product types lend themselves to a variety of home buyers. What I think is particularly special in an infill development is the detached homes with those along the rear having quite sizable rear yards. We believe that's truly unique. The other main component of the residential development is a recreational amenity that will be available to our residents. It'll include a pool, a bathroom facility, other passive amenities. So with that, I would like to turn the presentation over to questions. And I do want to emphasize that we're happy to hear and hopefully show that we want to work together to bring this project to life.

Thank you.

Anybody with a question?

Do we ask the commissioners first, or do you want the council to...

Does anybody on the Planning Commission have a question yet?

Yes, I have one. Is this going to be gated?

My current thought, although it's not depicted on that site plan, is that yes, it would be gated. We think that would be best for our residents, but it's something that we are open to feedback on.

My concern is... We have the retail, but how do we get in there to look and have our public safeties coming through if it's going to be gated? Will they have access at any given time?

And I'm sorry, maybe I didn't answer precisely enough. The residential portion of the project? would be gated yes and so that's what your question applies to right yeah in um other cities in which we operate lock boxes and other technology can be used for uh easy ingress egress of all first responders okay yes thank you that's it sure and the hoa would cover the cost of you know that technology all right sure yes

So first of all, thank you so much for the presentation. Sure. What I wanted to say is what I appreciate about, you know, the proposed project that we have before us is that it has that commercial component. We saw a project last year that was lacking that. And I think that having that commercial component is key to the revitalization of you know, the Garvey corridor with regards to, you know, the residential component, is there possibly any consideration to have affordable housing or an affordable housing component to kind of address regional housing needs?

It certainly can be considered the current plan doesn't have it. That'd be something I'd have to discuss with the seller because that would have impacted them. And, you know, as you can appreciate, I don't own the property. Um, but I, I know that, um, you know, all parties involved are open to dialogue and trying to find reasonable solutions that work for everybody.

All right. Thank you so much.

I would like to follow up on that because I serve on the regional council for SCAG, Southern California Association of Governments. And Emma works for them, so I see her every month at meetings. And it is very- It sounds like a setup. It is very important for us to meet our regional housing needs assessment, which is way above... The way it was done was just really bad.

Sure.

And there were shenanigans on the people that voted and whatever, but I won't get into that. But ours went way up from what it was the last... Cycle so I would like you to really consider having some Low-income housing units because we need that for the to meet our arena needs and this is a huge This has been sitting here for so long this huge property right and and we really need to have that so I would really ask that you consider Doing really noted and under full consideration as I said, I can't speak to it much more in this moment right forum, but

you were heard loud and clear. And I would tell you to connect with you further, that staff and myself and our team, we've been talking about RHNA and those needs and how this project's impacted by them and how we might be able to serve various needs in that regard. So I imagine beginning tomorrow, we'll continue the dialogue.

Thank you very much. Okay. Are there any other? Yeah, but call questions.

We're going to finish with the. Oh, I'm sorry. No, my comments were along the same lines as both Emma and yourself. Councilman Clark about having more. affordable housing as well as maybe apartments along the Garvey side of the property just to provide additional housing units for the city. I think this looks like a much more viable site plan and project compared to what we saw previously. Appreciate that you've reached out to hotel companies already to Have that conversation started. So, you know, I think this is a much more viable project, but I would like to see more housing units.

Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from the commission. Okay. Okay.

Um, so, yeah, 1st of all, thank you for coming and show us your, uh, your, your conceptual plan. Um, I have a couple of questions. Um, uh, can I ask the, uh, city clerks to show the residential. Um, chart, uh, so my, my question is, um, yeah. This 1, I think my question is, I just want to make sure, um, in terms of safety, do we have, can you point out the, um. The exit points, if there's any emergency, uh, how the residents can can get out. I think I spot 3, but I want you to kind of speak to that.

Yeah, so certainly you see the ingress, egress on Garvey, right in front of the amenity. And then you'll have to...

There's a better picture.

Is there a better one? I think that's Virginia Street. Right there. There you go. So that cul-de-sac is Virginia Street. So that would be an EVA. It would only be used by first responders in moments of emergency. that would not be available to the residents in their day-to-day toils.

So the one from the Virginia Street?

Yeah, that would be the secondary access. And then as you can see, although it doesn't provide any value to the residents, there are actually two egress points for the hotel and commercial building, one on Strathmore and then one on Garvey.

I don't know if I have a better depiction of that somewhere. So then for the residential components, are you saying, maybe go back to just the residential first. I think if I understand correctly is, yeah. The one from Virginia Street, that is the emergency only. The one off Garvey, that is a normal Ingress Acres, right? Are those the only two?

Those are the only two, yes.

Okay.

Okay. And this has been reviewed by LA County Fire.

And they're okay with that? Mm-hmm. Okay. Next question I have, at the bottom here, it shows five plaques. So kind of a dumb question. How is that different than the individual ones up there? Is it the five plaques, they are all next to each other, they're all attached? Is that the difference?

Yes, square footage would be different. And then also the orientation as to how many levels there are. So those five plexes, and there's probably a six plex in there as well somewhere. We call those row townhomes. And so you almost just picture building blocks next to one another, two-story, or excuse me, two-car garage on the ground floor with two stories of living and Um, other, uh, amenities above the yellow, uh, those are primarily 2 story homes, although some of them do have a 3rd. Story pop up, uh, we're respectful of the. Very unique and well, um, conceived setbacks along the rear. And then the oranges product in the middle, those are, we call them duets. And so those are similar to row town homes, except they come in groups of two. And in some cases, there's a single unit when we could only fit a single.

So do I interpret the orange one, like down at the bottom, they share... They share common walls. They do. But not the one that's up there.

Not the yellow. Not the yellow one. They're individual. And then some of the orange ones do share a common wall.

Oh, the one that's in the middle.

Yeah. Where you see two units together, they would share a wall. And then there are some single units strewn throughout it as well.

Got it. Thank you for the clarification.

And so that, to me, really highlights the diversification of product type, which I think makes for a healthy community. You know, this will attract a lot of different buyers. The single-family detached, you could have more mature households with teenage kids. Those townhomes are often good for first-time buyers. And then the other product is a lot of people in between.

Great. Um, one thought I have, if, if Garvey, so in a normal, normal operation, normal day operation, seems like Garvey, that Ingress-Egress entry point is the only is the only place where people can get in and get out. I'm just looking at the number of units that we have. Do you foresee any problems?

200 homes, we believe this will be adequate. We build communities with a single point of ingress, egress that have more than this quantity of homes. The other thing I would say is post-pandemic, kind of the work dynamic is much different. where a vast majority, I would say, or at least a sizable percentage of homeowners don't commute to work. And so I'm not trying to diminish your comment. We just very much believe that this will well suit the traffic flows.

Is there a reason why the Virginia Street entrance can only be used during emergency?

It was our read and kind of foreshadowing that the residents along Virginia Street would not want cars going in and out of there. Frankly, that's a very simple fix, but we would have to follow the lead of what the city would desire in that regard. Okay, I understand.

My last question is, I understand for this project, there's the residential component and there's the commercial components, the hotel components. Yes. How do you guys coordinate between the two partners to develop this whole project? Because as a city, we see this as one thing. Right, right. How do you guys coordinate?

Great question. So I'll be a little bit molecular about it. And if that becomes too much, then tell me to not be so specific. So TrueMark's in contract with the land seller. And I then have a contract with Mike and Steve. TrueMark will take the role that we use in our industry. The nomenclature is the role of a master developer. So we acquire the property. We will then see all the civil engineering and infrastructure plans through approvals with the city. And then we will actually go and grade and install all infrastructure on the site. And what will happen is we will deliver a flat pad with all utilities connected to it to Mike and Steven. And so when that's done, depending upon where they are in their approval process, we'll all begin to build. And so they'll build the commercial component, and then we will build the homes.

So what is the general timeline? How long does it take to build your 200 number of homes? And what is the estimated time to build the commercial part?

Yeah, yeah. Once again, maybe I'll err on the side of providing a little more detail if it's helpful. And then if not, you can just tell me. So if things go well, we hope to tell the Lew family that we approve of moving forward on the transaction, which is an important inflection point because it means we've already committed significantly in regards to capital outlays on this deal after 10 years. But that's a really important date relative to our financial commitment to the deal. And so we then believe, and we're working through the details with staff, that it'd take about 12 months to work through the discretionary entitlements so that we get to the point where we have a project that can then go to the design process of the city. We expect that design process will take about nine months, and then it will take us approximately seven to eight months to do the land development. And so by my current schedule, That means land development would be completed in approximately April 2028. And we would begin to build our homes then. And some months thereafter, approximately September-ish, is when the hotel and commercial development can begin. The commercial can go likely before the hotel because of the fact you don't have to work with Hilton on the approvals. And then with our 200 homes, it obviously takes years to build and sell through them all.

So in terms of, let me make sure I get this right. So I think what I capture is it takes 12 months to do kind of all the approval, nine months for design, seven to eight months for the development. So that gets you to April of 2028? It's 2020E. So that means that when we say development is your actual building. Is that right?

Or is it 2020? I specifically was speaking to the land development.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. So we kind of call that the horizontal project improvements before you go vertically. Okay.

So April 2028, that's when you... And these are approximations. Approximations, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand, I understand. Fluidity and what have you. Yeah, so that is when you start construction?

Yes, yes. What we do is we first build model homes, and then we usually wait a month or two to see what the models look like, and then we begin our production homes. So in April of 2028, that's when our model homes would begin. Let's see.

And you think that for the hotel side, you mentioned September 2028, that's when the hotel will start construction?

Yeah, the hotel as well as the commercial building.

As well as the commercial. Okay, thank you. That's all I have. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

I have a question on the parking. You show different spaces around the duplex, for example, but Then the parking structure, are all the residents going to be parking in the parking structure?

No, the parking structure is meant to accommodate the hotel and commercial uses. The residential, so if you were to draw the perimeter of that colored area, any parking therein would satisfy the residential parking needs. And then what you don't see clearly, although it's depicted with the... triangles. Each of these homes have two car garages.

Yeah, each one of them.

None of them are tandem, which is actually somewhat unique for infill development.

And the duplexes also?

Yes. All three product types have two car garages.

I have a similar concern that Council Member Lowe brought up about there being one ingress and egress from Garvey. In the event that I've had a lot of back and forth with Lucy Jones on the big one. It's not if the earthquake. She's the seismologist that you always see on TV when anything happens. And she says it's not if but when. Sure. So we always have to have them back of our mind.

Yeah. I grew up by San Andreas and I was on a football field in 1989 when Loma Prieta hit and the water polo players were drifting 10 feet above the pool and then down to no water.

Oh, my goodness. So what plan would you put in place to for example, open Virginia Street and Strathmore so that people could evacuate if they needed to?

Yeah, so the first responders will have, I'll just call them a key, in very simple terms, to be able to open that EVA on a moment's notice, literally within seconds. And, you know, I will say... that we don't have any concern having Virginia Street open. So if the project becomes a gated project, which is what I believe it should be, there'd be a gate. But otherwise, it's actually better for our project if we can have the residents use Virginia Street as daily ingress, egress also.

Okay. And then the other question I have is the... Ms. Clark, if I could just add one point.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Okay.

The reason that it's EDA is because we were trying to be respectful of the five to eight neighbors that live along Virginia street. And so if that's not of particular concern, right. Like I said, it's a very, very easy fix.

Right. But now on the rear, um, the North part way up there, um, Okay, Whitmore is the street. So those people will be, the people that are there already will back up to a new street or?

So the residences that already exist?

No, the ones behind it. I'm looking at this.

Yeah, that's the back of their, that's your backyards.

Right, so we have those homes running what I would call the rear property line, and then there's a yard, correct?

Right.

And then you have homes beyond it?

Right.

Yeah, so there's a block wall there now. Okay. That block wall would remain.

So it's not a street at all?

No, it is not.

No, no, it's wonderful living space. Right, and will that be allowed to be like six feet? So that for the privacy of the people that live back there?

You know, our current plan was to keep the wall as is, and I don't know its exact height, but I think it's only four, you know, the wall behind the auto auction right now.

The rear wall will be able to go up to six feet high.

Oh, good. Okay. Because I was thinking also for privacy, if you're going to... I see trees that will be there if they could plant tall trees. I'm just thinking of the privacy for the people who live there. Certainly. Yeah, that's why we did...

I mean, we've done two things. One is the setback is what it is, which I would say is quite healthy. But secondly... You know, zoning would allow, I believe, upwards of an eight story building there. And ours are two stories. Some of them have a pop. So, you know, with all due respect, I think privacy, even if we didn't plant any trees and even if we didn't put in a new wall, is very, very well respected.

That's good. I appreciate that. All right.

Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you so much. I appreciate you bringing these plans to us. If we can look at the whole picture at Garvey Village.

Sure.

The plan.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Whatever's happening with my manipulation, it's not as efficient as everybody would like.

That one. Thank you so much. First off, there's a couple of things I have questions of. First off, I don't agree in opening an egress at Virginia Street. Our residents are already gonna be impacted by this, and opening that up is only gonna add more impact to them. If this is already LA approved, LA County approved with the one ingress and egress and the one at Virginia Street being that of emergency, then I do not agree in opening that up because it's going to impact our residents even more. That's one thing. Another thing, many have already spoke about affordable housing. And this is one of the things that I complain about to the legislators all the time. All these housing bills that they're bringing into fruition, none of them have an affordable affordable housing component in there. And so these incentives that we give out to entice developers to do affordable housing is not enough. We get dinged for not having affordable housing, but we're opening up all these developments to that. And again, we have to follow the law of the land. And right now there isn't any stipulations where developers are made to. There are some down the line, they're waiting for the governor's signature. So I don't know how that's gonna impact this development. Once those housing bills do get signed by the governor and become law, You know, again, that's something that we need to think about as well, because there's a couple of them that are going to be requiring developers to have a percentage of affordable housing. That just, again, that's just a little side bit.

You're well heard, and like I said. Yeah. I work for State Senator. Yeah, no, it's not my decision, but I will certainly open the dialogue.

Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see what those new bills look like if it's pre-development. And again, I don't know those specific laws, but I know that there are some that are gonna be requiring, especially those that are near transit areas. And so again, we'll see when that happens, or if it happens, we don't know. Thank you for the comments. Yeah, thank you. Another item that I'm looking at is outside parking within the residential. How many parking stalls are outside? Not including the two that are inside the garage. How many are, how many total?

I apologize. I'm going to have to get you that answer. I have stats, uh, across a number of topics. I do not know, um, how many uncovered, uh, parking stalls there are. So if I may, I'll forward the answer to staff and then.

Well, those are, it's vital for my line of questioning. So I'm gonna continue on. Do you have the submittal? Maybe you have it there?

Yes, I have it. So there are 73 open guest parking spaces. 73 guest parking spaces.

spots for 200 and how many units?

One.

201 units.

Yeah, I think we're above city zoning for parking, if my memory serves me.

So the spaces required are 301.5, so 302. The development is providing 479.

Which is including the two from the garage? Correct. One of the biggest concerns that we hear whenever a developer comes in is the impact that the residential area is going to have when there's gonna be guests coming in. And that's one thing that I could say that every single one of us council members have heard our residents. Because again, it's going to be impacting those people on Strathmore. Hopefully not because of this parking structure, but it's just going to be challenging because there's already limited parking on our residential streets. And we're going to add on if they have, say, a gathering of 20 people. Everybody drives their own car. And so those are just some concerns that I have with parking situation. I see that there's an existing auto parts store that is X'd out in gray.

Yes.

Are you foreseeing that they will maybe sell to the development? No, they're just... Dead on or not?

Two other business partners are here tonight, Tina Wu and Marshall Marr, and their efforts have been exhaustive in trying to get beyond an initial conversation with them. I've personally offered on that property no less than five times, and they seem obstinate. I don't like that answer, but...

No, it's a fair, you know, and it's a, it's a fair assessment.

Yeah.

How are you planning on, I don't want to say camouflaging it, but incorporating it with your, your, your development? Well, you know, obviously. That doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

Yeah, obviously we can't do anything along, along Garvey unless. We'd be happy to give them a couple thousand dollars to buy potted plants and what have you, but we don't really have any rights over the property. So I think there's a pretty good depiction on the site plan in that we'll do our best, or let's say we will do a good job of landscaping around those walls and their perimeter so it's not as visible. So literally all you would see is i don't know what that width is i'm thinking it's 30 feet along garvey you would you would see the width of their store frontage which i can't control yeah but otherwise we would beautify the perimeter okay and that's important to us too as you can see the juxtaposition for hotel gas and then as well as our residents they don't want to see that wall

Completely understand. Now, the dog park, it appears that it's within the hotel and the rest and building one and building two and building three. Is there any access to the residential area to access the dog park?

Certainly. And that's one detail I can work through a little bit more. So thanks. You're you're making me better right now. But, yes, the residents would be the group of people we'd be most concerned about having access to the dog park. Okay. And that is the plan. Maybe we can depict it better, and maybe we can design it a little better.

Because all I see is walls, and so that's cutting off the dog park.

Yeah, let me dig into those details.

Okay. How many parking stalls will be available in the parking structure and those alongside Building 1 and Building 2?

So in the parking structure, there are just over 200, I believe. Eric, I'm putting you on the spot. In the parking structure, there are 214 spaces and on-grade parking is 117.

Thank you.

Do you foresee possibly opening that up for guest parking so that they're not impacting the residential streets?

You know, I think it's absolutely something, I mean, we can certainly consider it. Oftentimes it's staff in the city that will direct that. The one off-the-cuff comment is, people visiting for dinner parties and what have you would be visiting in the evening. And that's largely when the hotel guests would park too. So we would, we would just have to work through that. Uh, you know, there are circumstances in life when you have parking needs during the day and then that's for one group of people and then parking requirements for others at night. And so that's kind of a seamless integration. This one at first blush would require a little more thinking, um, And I don't know how much capacity there would be in that regard. We can look into it and we will.

And the biggest unit that you have, is it three or four bedrooms?

Four bedrooms for sure. And then some of the... Detached homes would actually have a flex room, which for families could be a den or a bedroom. The way we build homes, it offers oftentimes a lot of flexibility for homebuyers. And so... To be blunt, a lot of cities like when TrueMark comes to town because we don't build commodity homes. We really try to build homes that, one, we can be proud of, but two, that people and families can really enjoy.

In your experience in working with other cities or other developments of this nature, what What is your experience in the three or four bedroom units where each person has a car? And we're creatures of habit, even though they're pushing for transit. Sure. People are still using their cars. Many times each person in a bedroom will have their own car. Have you experienced any shortage of parking within your developments?

So you're not going to believe this answer, but I'm going to give it.

There's no reason for me not to.

What we find is people use their garages for storage. And so it's this just interesting almost conundrum for us where we're putting in parking and people actually don't utilize it. And then the other thing we find is that the family dynamic just kind of figures itself out. relative to how much parking there is. I've got a 14-year-old who will be driving soon, and my wife and I are already contemplating how that works logistically within our driveway.

Is there an HOA? And I appreciate that because that is exactly the reason why we have such an impact in parking because people are not utilizing their garages, so therefore multiple families are in one household and they use the street parking. Right. Is this going to be an HOA?

There will be an HOA, absolutely.

Is there any stipulation in the requirements of the HOA, or let me put this again, requirements for the HOA enticing or, well, making, I'm going to just say making, making their residents use the garage instead of the parking?

That is the way every set of CC&Rs I've ever seen read. You know, to be frank, it often comes down to enforcement, which can be very difficult, you know, checking in on people's garages. But that's the... Won't you have a board?

Won't you have an HOA board?

Yeah, I'll be an HOA manager. I'm just highlighting the fact.

I had a house in Vegas that had an HOA, and they made sure that the parking was inside the garage.

Then I'll just be sure our group doubles down on it. It's very easy to govern aesthetics and those things outside of the home, but I just made a note relative to HOA and garage.

That would also help in making sure that our Residential streets are not impacted with parking if that is enforced. Sure. And again, that's why there's a board. There's an board.

Yep.

And and fines and all that, then we'll leave that up to you. Not that's not the city. It's it's the it'll be the. Madam Mayor, that's all the questions I have as of now. I mean, you have other questions?

Yeah, I just, I want to follow up with, would there be one HOA for all of the units?

Yes, sometimes there is, you know, so you'd have the master HOA and then you'd have a sub HOA. Sometimes when you have a catch product, I'd have to think through it a little bit more, but I would expect there's just one HOA because when you have multiple, the costs do go up. But California DRE is a strident group with very specific rules. I don't know all of them, and so I don't want to talk out of hand. That'll necessarily be one, but I know my intention right now is to have one HOA.

Because I share the concerns about parking. and not having enough, and people saying, oh, you're not using your garage, so you're taking my spaces, and my friends didn't have a place to park, and all this stuff.

That sounds great. If we can think about it, I will communicate with our team.

And then the issue about Virginia and Strathmore Avenue, I was just saying in case of an emergency to use it. I wasn't advocating for it to be open all the time. Was that what your concern was?

No, he mentioned saying that if the council was open to having an egress there. Oh, just for normal time. Okay, okay.

I'm not open. Yeah, so our current plan is to have only an EVA there where first responders can open it and otherwise traffic will, for the residential, come solely through in and out of Garvey. Okay.

All right. Are there any other questions from the council at all?

Madam Mayor, I have questions.

Sure.

So thank you Phil for the, you know, the renderings really bringing life to the conversation. I do want to recognize some points and noting the fact that you put the residential, single family residential in the back and then giving a proper rear yard setback and it offers a good buffer between your development and the, you know, the neighbors in the back. So really want to echo that. Thank you. That touch. Also, in a sense that on the Garvey side, you put more of the denser building, the bigger buildings along Garvey, also to really create that illusion that it's sort of a... How should I say it? It sort of hides what's happening in the back. It shelters a lot of the single family from the noises and the stuff that we normally get from Garvey Avenue.

It's also meant to energize the sidewalk along Garvey. We could speak to some of the plans in front of the restaurant and office, but it's meant to be a place to create more vibrancy along the sidewalk.

course. And thank you for that. I do want to mention and it's it's not in your presentation, the the renderings of the single family and the renderings of the duplex. Council members are in your package. But those renderings, the single family and duplex are more of a modern style. Versus the one on the Garvey, the a plex is a five plex five plex. That, I'm not an architect, I'm not quite sure what that style is.

So those are expected to be more of a modern appeal and exterior. It may be the case that what we put into the preliminary plan set doesn't well depict that. So there's supposed to be uniformity in architectural vernacular. And then, as I understand it, in talking with staff, but then also seeing what happens in the marketplace as to what homebuyers desire, a more modern look, so to speak, Sean, is desired and would be planned there.

Okay. So just looking at, well, there's no page numbers to this, Phil, either. I'm trying to help my colleagues sort of navigate that. So that's Council Member Armenta. I think that's the duplex one where it's more modern. And then the one that faces Garvey, it's more of a... Looks like he's almost all the way in the back of the package.

How do you describe this, Phil? I don't know how to describe it. I concur with your observation.

I think there's page number down at the bottom, on the bottom right.

Oh, you're right. Page A4.06, lower right-hand corner.

Well, Sean, I'll just simply state your point is very well taken. Okay, appreciate that.

So, yeah, just try to match that up. I do also echo some of the concerns about the ingress part, I know the egress part you said it's I'm sorry, the other way around. When it's an emergency situation, the fire department is going to come through Virginia Street. So I want to recognize that. But the entrance off Garvey and particularly around maybe 7.30, 8 o'clock when everyone's trying to leave, you are going to have a long queuing within your property because what's also not shown on the rendering is the location of the gate. So presuming that driveway right at Garvey, maybe that's what, 40 feet deep, give or take? So if you put a gate there, presumably you're gonna put it midway.

Yeah, we would only do it, and maybe the site plan admittedly needs to be adjusted, we would only do it if we met the letter of the law relative to queuing and what have you. But like I said, the gating of this community is not a necessity. It was a consideration on my part.

Right. I mean, even if you don't put the gate, I think you still have some queuing issue because the fact that it's only 40 feet deep. Just a suggestion, perhaps the city staff and Phil, your design team, maybe consider adding another entrance. So two entrance into the residential piece. So more keeping one there and then moving, creating another entrance toward the further right side of it.

Okay.

But that's a consideration.

Kind of between the flexes?

Yeah, the two furthest right. Yeah, wedge that in there. So that will alleviate a lot of congestion. So and then at the same time, we don't want to interrupt the people along Virginia Street too.

Well, I can make a promise that we will at least look at it with staff, and I'm sure they'll communicate with you, but I make you a promise we'll look at it. Of course.

Thank you. I know Council Member Lowe sort of touched on the timeline per se. So the residential, how many residential homes are there, Phil?

201 in this plan. 201? I don't suspect it would change much.

Okay. So understanding that you're going to break ground in April 2028, Um, and we're not going to hold you to, to these, but approximately when do you think 201 is going to be finished?

Uh, so when we would sell our last home end of 2030, if the market remains quote unquote normal.

So, um, Just for my clarity, obviously, you're not going to sell all 201. You're going to start selling it in phases.

That's right. So within each product type of which there are three, as I explained, the way we build the homes is we take a population, a quantity of homes in a given product type and build that quantity. And then we move on to the next, you know, some months later. So often in a given product line, we would have eight to 12 homes. And so what you can kind of do is take a given color divided by eight, and that would tell you approximately how many phases we would be building in. So we would be building all of those three different types of homes at once.

I understand. Maybe it's easier just using percentage. So at 40%, when you want to sell 40% of 201, that's roughly what, a year from 2028?

So if we want to sell 40% of the homes, which would be 80 homes, if I'm doing math correctly. So we will sell... approximately eight to nine a month. So without the build cycle, the sales cycle would be approximately 10 months. I'm answering your question.

Let's sort of simplify a little bit more. So April, 2020, you're going to start building and April, 2029, how many homes you think you're going to be done and do you want to sell?

The 40%, 50%. Your question is, if we begin building in 4 of 28, how many homes will have been built or sold? Built? I assume built, right? Built, okay. Sold. Of that, sold. Or probably the term we should use is closed. Okay. Because you could sell something and then it doesn't close for six months, right? CFO, doesn't it? CFO. I'm doing quick math here off the cuff, as you can appreciate. Just give me one second. So it's probably six months bill. In very gross terms, Sean, and I could perfect this for you, given a little more time and not having to do it on the fly, there'd be 30 to 40 homes that would close in that timeframe.

Let me use numbers that we all understand. So in a year, how many CFO will you want to get? Ideally. Ideally.

Well, the first year is going to be different than the out years because the first year we have models.

For an infrastructure time, and I get it.

I'd say upwards of 80.

80, okay.

As an approximation. Of course. Right? We can work through this in detail.

And then the year after that will be April 2030, and you're... That would be more like 96 because you'd get a full year of, you know, 8-ish times 12. 96 on top of the 80, so it's a... Yeah, so that'd be the second year.

Okay. I mean, just rough terms.

Sure. Okay. So, and thank you for that. Thank you for the residential timeline. I heard you spoke about the commercial timeline. And from your commercial partnership, you say you're going to break ground in September 2028? Yes. And is that the retail building, the light blue or the... Which building is it?

Well, so that should be the outside date for the hotel, right? Should be, is the operative phraseology there. And then the commercial building could potentially start sooner, a couple months sooner. But 9-28 is a very good estimate with the information we have as to when bulk buildings would begin.

Okay. So, and remind me, the hotel is how many stories? Six.

Six stories.

So, again, just aligning my timeline to make sure I'm understanding the project correctly, by the time you hit April 2030, you're roughly about 180 homes, give or take, right?

Yeah, by the math I have, the form is that by October of 2030, we will have sold our last home.

October 23. Yep.

Okay. So that's about right relative to what you said. You said April, we'd be 80. So, you know, within broad brushstrokes. Okay. About the same.

I agree. So, uh, those are, those are good. So the reason why I'm going to these dates council members is the fact that I want to make sure that when we have a mixed use project, I want to make sure that our residents who live around that area are, sees a mixed-use project sort of at least moving parallel as they sort of come off the ground. I don't want it to be where it becomes a little lopsided, where TrueMark's a fantastic company. Obviously, they're very skillful. They're very good in delivering their product. They're very efficient. That efficiency, I want it also be complemented by the commercial developer, where they could equally move ads quickly, where I want it to... To just comment is the fact that if Trumark could build 170 homes and out the door by 2030, and the hotel just broke ground in September, 2028, meaning the hotel in theory has about a year to build a six-story hotel to match the last house that's being sold by Trumart.

And one year building a six-story hotel is not impossible, but- Not to correct respectfully, Don, and not that it's gonna change your perspective, but just so that we're on the same page. Yes. Under our current plan, there will be two years of construction for the commercial and the hotel before- You're absolutely right, Phil.

It is two years, sorry. but I'm a little rusty on math, but you're absolutely correct.

20, 30 minus 20, 28 is two. You went to Berkeley.

Yeah, all the good DNA came from my wife, actually. But you're absolutely correct. Two years to build a six-story hotel, it's very, I think it's a bit of a challenge. I think it's a bit of a challenge. And we're only talking about the hotel. We didn't talk about the restaurant and office on the blue side. And we didn't talk about the parking structure, the dark gray building number three. I would at least feel more comfortable if building number one, building number three at least broke ground when you break ground.

Mm-hmm.

And then by the time you sell your last home, Phil, at least the hotel would be at least superstructure ready. You may not have the full skin. You may not have the full TI. You may not have all the lights and fixtures. But at least the residents see that, hey, Sean, I see the mixed use coming. I can tell it's a hotel. I have the other restaurants and office ready. I have a parking structure ready. I believe this project will work. you know, it won't die. It's going to continue. I understand there's a little bit of growing pain, but I get it. I get the fact that True Marks didn't sell their last home and they're out. We still have a hotel team that's sort of wrapping things up. And I think that's important. I think having that visibility is important. And I think that's what Council Member Lowe was mentioning when she was talking about timeline. Just want to make sure that all the expectation is is sort of put out on the table at least for my yeah so what was your your expectation relative to the superstructure of the hotel that would be completed when so i think it's important when you guys break ground the restaurant and office building number one or building number three which is the parking structure they should at least break ground because you don't really need the hilton entitlement for that that sort of runs independent of hilton correct So those projects could come off the ground. I think by the time you finish selling your last home, the blue should be finished, the gray should be finished, and then the purple... At least we see the skin wrapped. And then inside, of course, inside takes even longer time. I totally get that. But at least visually from outside, the residents see that, hey, there is a hotel. I see the walls. I see the exterior. I see the core already. I think that's important.

Thanks.

Okay, that's just the timing of running out of time here. So I understand.

Okay, so I guess at this point, my response would be I'll work with staff, we'll work with staff, be it the sellers team, as well as Mike and Steven to further that dialogue would sound like an appropriate protocol to address that concern.

Madam Mayor, just one quick thing. If this building one is going to be a restaurant, please, or even if it's a restaurant or office space, we require enclosed trash bin.

Oh, yeah. We'll have that to a T. Okay. Yeah, just, you know, the one thought I would throw out, and once again, respecting everybody's comments, but who knows when we'll be able to have dialogue again, is, you know, this is a massive development. I mean, that to... dimensional depiction is quite simple, but the amount of capital required is extraordinary. And so when capital is going to be deployed, capital needs to know when it's going to get a return. And so I would just throw that out to everybody that, you know, there's there's a risk that the risk reward doesn't pay off if that equilibrium isn't found appropriately. And so I'll just leave it at that and work with staff to further the conversation.

Madam Mayor, I'm sorry. I'm not sure if this is directed to staff or to yourself, but outreach. Are we reaching out to the residents? Are we getting their input, their feedback? Are they being notified as to what the process is?

So they were notified. So through the pre-application process, we did send notices out to the residents within 300 feet radius. And then throughout the project, we always encourage developers to do public outreach.

And have you also been reaching to our residents?

This is the first formal engagement we've had beyond the pre-app submittal. And so we're hoping it's the beginning of a wonderful relationship. And we do want to do right by people. But I would emphasize this project does have a specific plan. And we're working very hard to meet literally every requirement of the specific plan. And the reason you have a specific plan is so you don't have to go through a laborious process of entitlement. Now, that isn't to say we don't welcome communication, but I did want to emphasize that. I mean, that's why the city spent millions of dollars to create a specific plan.

Okay, so I have a quick question. So was there any notification to residents for this meeting?

There was.

It was. Sorry. I just want to really quickly open up to anyone in the audience that wanted to speak on this. Was there anyone that wanted to? Could you come up here? Come forward so we can hear you.

Yes. The parking structure here, stories-wise, is that going to be a three-story, four-story parking structure? The parking structure will be two stories in height.

Okay. With three levels. Yeah. Roof parking.

Okay, so my concern is I own this property here, and is this gonna be closed off or opened due to sound or noise for the residents in this area? So certain parking structures will be open for space and I guess for air to come in. Will this be enclosed or will this be opened?

Can I respond?

Yes, please.

Good evening. My name is Eric Chen. I'm with the architect for the commercial portion of the project. I'm with the company CDA plus PDG. Basically, right now, the design, it is an open parking structure, but we definitely can work with you to limit the opening on that side, and we can open on three sides. Perfect. We definitely can work with you.

Perfect sounds good. I was just concerned here because as is the neighborhood now in this back area, it's really quiet. And this is the rental that I have. And that's the benefit of it. It's just how quiet this neighborhood is here. I hope that this just stays for emergency. Hopefully that's like, I hope I'm crossing my fingers. Hopefully it goes well on that. Just for that, my concern, if it is open, the noise in this neighborhood is going to be pretty loud, especially if it's obviously there's a hotel, the parking's meant for the hotel. So it's going to be 24 seven that you're going to constantly hear cars and in this area, if it's two stories, even though some of these structures here are two stories. And then if the lights are on, hopefully that lights doesn't hit or distract on it.

Yeah, we're doing two story. And also we do have, still have the fence wall there. The fence wall will be six feet. And then, so it is only exposed on the second floor. And the second floor, definitely we can work with you.

Underground?

No. Any thoughts on underground?

Okay, so I was thinking above. Oh, okay. Yeah, and then hopefully this area here, I don't know if it's going to be gated or not, or I should say get it either a wall or some sort of barrier around that.

Oh, perfect.

Thank you.

Thank you. Eric.

Do you have what's.

Not sure. I don't mean to surprise you, but did you talk to Phil about the construction timeline?

I mean. Yes, we kind of roughly, but usually, okay, I just talk about typically. Well, yeah, let me.

Staff's been sent a schedule that melds the residential with the commercial. That which I spoke about before is the current schedule, so I'm sure they can share it with you. Anyway, that's our current schedule. We're happy to chat further about it when the time's right.

Awesome. Thank you.

All right. Was there anyone else real quick that wanted to speak? If not, we're going to adjourn this meeting and have a five-minute recess before our regular meeting will open at 5.