Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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All right, it's 7 o'clock. Are we ready, people? All right, let's see. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the 2nd of December, 2025 meeting of the City of Rome Planning Board. I'd like to call the meeting to order. I'm your chair, Mark Espazito. This evening, we have Vice Chair Joe Kandra, all the way down to the right. Joe, you don't like us? You got

Yeah. Yeah, let him stay there. It's a good It's a good point. Um and David Smith. Um right here, Smitty. Um board members, Eric Gonzalez, Britney Fumarola are not here this evening. We're your all volunteer board members. We love where we live. We try to be fair to petitioners, community members, neighbors, and just do the right thing for the community. Um to my left, your right, we have Garrett Woff, Community Economic Development, Jim Rizzo, Corporation Council, and Danielle Salsbury, also from Community and Economic Development. We have uh some um few things on our item here. Items one, two, and three. Our agenda, review and approval of the four November 2025 meeting minutes. Can I get a motion?

Make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. All those in favor? I I All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Motion on November 18th special meeting minutes. I make a motion for the special meeting. Second. All those in favor? I I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Review and approve the proposed regular meeting dates for 2026. Uh was that does that say 25? It's supposed to say 26, isn't it? No, because that's the meeting date for the January 6th meeting. So the due date for submitting materials is Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. And then the rest of these are all

20 uh 26. Yes, 2026. Okay. Oh, here's the I'm sorry. This is the meeting date. Okay. Um any do we have conflicts with any holidays voting? I I believe I have avoided all of them. I was wasn't sure for January 6th just because it's a little bit right up but it either ends up being that you put the um the due dates right in the middle of the holidays or the meeting the meeting date is right at the end. So it's kind of 61. Looks like July we're skipping the first Tuesday going to the second Tuesday. Uh, looks like August as well.

August. Yes. Because um the tax grievance day is the first Tuesday and December 8th. Is that going to be the second Tuesday? That is December 8th.

[cough] So [clears throat] it would be the first or the you may have been right up against Thanksgiving maybe. Okay, everybody good with the dates? Any comments? Looks like we're moving three. We're moving June. No, I'm sorry. July, August, and December. I make a motion approve the date meeting dates for 26. Second. All those in favor? I I All those opposed carries unanimously. Okay, that's our housekeeping. Um

I guess our next meetings we normally do that public service announcement off of our new schedule. It's going to be January Tuesday, January 6th and Tuesday, February 3rd are going to be our next two meetings. We normally announce those. We have items four and five. They're old business. They're going to remain on the table. Environmental seeker review and site plan review request by Hangar Road LLC construction of 42,000 square foot office building. I understand uh they have a bigger and better uh proposal coming and uh so we're waiting on that. Item six, public hearing request Mohawk Valley Edge two lot minor subdivision at 212 Hangar Road. Oh, we'll call the uh public hearing to order or open the public hearing. First call members of the public. Anyone for against? Second call. Public hearing request Mock Valley Ed two lot minor subdivision 212 Hangar Road. None heard. Third and final call. Members of the community. Uh two lot minor subdivision hangar road Mohawk Valley Edge. Public hearing is closed. All right. Item seven, environmental seeker review and the subdivision review request by Mohawk Valley Edge. So we have petitioner uh can you go to the mic come down go back tell us about the what we're doing and

Sure. And again I was speaking on

quick short abbreviated. Okay. Please state your name for the record. So we're essentially requesting approval. Can I just double check the mic that Yeah, it sounds like it's Yeah. Throw a switch. Little switch on the side. It's hidden by the area. Sorry about that. No, no worries. There we go. Can we get that name again? Sure. It's Mark Barco. I'm chief of staff for Mo Valley Edge. Um, so all the the the the ones of listeners out on YouTube. Okay. Might, you know, the ones it might actually one of my uh there might be a handful

my colleague is probably going to ri me later uh and probably screenshot this as well instead of [laughter] say nice job. Uh so uh we're here just to present any questions about a minor subdivision application of the Hangar Road property. Uh we're requesting approval to subdivide the 51.05 acre parcel into one new lot of 7 and a/4 acres of the Hangar Road property and a parent parcel of 43.6 uh acres of remaining land. This adjustment is primarily administrative because the parent parcel includes land that is not contiguous to the proposed development lot. Originally the plan was to create two smaller lots, the four and the two. And after review, the decision was made to keep the entire hangar road property as as one. Uh so as far as any other changes, there's no roads, no utility extensions anticipated. The site's already near city maintained infrastructure. Um on the environmental there's no wetlands, flood plane or critical environmental areas identified. No historic or archaeological sites. Uh no endangered species. No. And the site was previously it underwent an EPA revolving loan fund remediation for asbestous removal. So no significant traffic increase is expected uh connection to existing water and wastewater systems. That's all good there. Uh in closing, we've submitted all required documents. uh planning board application, legal description, subdivision, um and SEAF. And pretty much if you guys have any other questions, let me know. If I can't answer those tonight, certainly want to pass those along to the planning department.

Thank you, sir. Oh, good. Yes, sir. [clears throat] Um okay, we had a public hearing on this, but after hearing uh the presentation, looking at the documentation, uh give another opportunity members of the public to comment. Community economic development proposed partial dimensions are compliant with zoning code minimum. Our department recommends issuing a seeker negative declaration via uncoordinated review and approving the proposed subdivision plat is presented. Like I said, there's already a bunch of non-ontiguous ones. You're just breaking these out into what they actually are. This is a minor. So the right the becomes the final plot.

And then do they have to submit drawings and all that? So they they'll they'll submit one myar and three uh paper copies that will stamp and then they'll get filed with the county and that'll be part of the action letter that you'll be sent tomorrow after the action. Okay. Um can we get a motion on the seeker? Make a motion issue a seeker negative. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. We had a motion on the two lot minor subdivision 212 Hangar Road. Item seven on the agenda. No. Eight. I'm sorry. Seeker was seven and we're now doing eight. Sorry. Make a motion to approve item eight on the agenda. Second.

All those in favor? I. Okay. So, the seeker and negative deck was issued and subdivision review is approved. Okay. Ninth and final item on our agenda. Site plan review requests Wood Haven Ventures LLC for the construction of approximately 100 multif family residential units and a 10 10 unit gardenstyle apartment buildings off of Floyd a tax ID 243.06-2-1.2. Good evening and welcome. Good evening. Good evening. Introduce from left to right.

Sure. [clears throat] Uh Joe Danal with the environmental design partnership. Larry Novik with Bonacio Development and Keith Buff architect with KPB architecture. [snorts] All right, tell us a little bit about the project. All right, so um what we are proposing is the say the next phase which is actually going to be the first phase of construction uh for the Wood Haven development. We've previously received all necessary seeker uh approvals in the past. So we are looking to reaffirm seeker with this application tonight for the uh the new development. So what [clears throat] we are looking at is a uh a a new proposed city street that would provide access for uh 100 new

sorry we re we reaffirmed it last month and that covered the whole project that did cover this as well. that perfect. So this just site plan tonight cover all our bases.

Yes sir. Um, so we are looking at a a say a new city street that will provide access to 100 uh new apartment units. They will be in 10 10 unit buildings. Um, each one of the buildings will have a parking space in the garage and a parking space behind the garage for two cars parking per unit. Uh, the street will include sidewalks. We will include internal sidewalks connecting from the units themselves to the the city street which brings them out to the uh um community spaces associated with the project. We'll have um connections to public water. We'll have storm water infrastructure on site handled into uh new infiltration basins that flank and are behind the parcel adjacent to the Mohawk River Trail. Uh we will have a new sewer line. Uh we're unable to get gravity sewer to work for this project. So we are going to proposing grinder pumps and a force man that will connect into the Floyd Avenue sewer.

Now is that going to be like a big grinder station like the city has or is this going to be No, you said it's going to be that pressure like a smaller Yeah. So we're looking at a low pressure force man. Um we are proposing to do uh is one grinder pump like an E1 grinder pump duplex or triplex type pump that ties into I think we're at a 3-inch force man that will handle all the flow this project and bring it up to the city's gravity system. This would be similar to the one we had on the housing that houses each unit. Uh right. But what gravity the main station? No, there's not. You mean station. So I mean your station your your system.

We we're going to have uh two buildings combined in the gravity to one pump for every two buildings. Five pumps is what we're looking five pumps for very similar but a larger commercial type. Right. So for 20 units you're going to have one pump. Two buildings 10 per but the same same concept. Before they had each unit had a grinder pump. This one and it's the main has been they might have a one inch line down versus three inch. Um what they they have a one and a half or two and a half. Yeah. This is going to be a three inch. Sorry. Small pumps. This is these are going to be a little bigger pump. Right.

Yeah. That's the I'm sure with single family you have to have one pump per house pump. This is all owned by one NDC. check check belts and all that. Correct. It'll all be done to a a s city or DC standard and that's you know anything that we look to tonight is to get a conditional approval of this project ultimately it'll be reviewed by the city engineer right and you're going to have to get permits and code city engineer. Okay. Y yeah so we'll be doing that. Um other elements uh did include lighting plan. So, as we're all all aware, and I got a pardon, the name of the existing road that's out in front of that, is there a name? The boulevard. [laughter]

Yeah. I don't know if a formal name has been assigned yet, Matt. Do you know? No, no formal name has been assigned quite yet. So, the boulevard. So, the boulevard. So, there's quite a bit of lighting that exists on the boulevard along the new city street drive opposing similar lighting. We are we do want to bring in less lighting because it's pretty bright out there and we're in a residential setting. So, we do want to dim it down as we get into Why is it pretty bright?

Um just driving by it seems very bright from what we saw coming out. What we're we would like to do is when we're in a residential setting have a little lower because those ornamentals lights are at about 15 16 feet. They shine right into the second floor. But we are providing ample light on site plus what the existing site is. So we are we're not going to have the safety issues. So where's the light coming from today? The the light post along the boulevard existing. So they're they're fairly closely spaced and I think they were designed with um the municipal use in mind the potential rec center. So they wanted safety in that parking lot, safety, a lot of traffic going. So there's a lot of light. So the existing lights are created. I was on the city, right?

Yeah. Yes. Which street is the boulevard here? I'm not sure. Sometimes they have dimming system. And this has I don't necessarily This is inappropriate for for the rec center use. I think we're just We don't want to duplicate what they're We don't want to duplicate it, right? We don't want to add We don't want to double up that lighting because it's just going to be Okay. So, the boulevard has a lot of light. The road that you're putting off the boulevard is going to be use this to switch and then you're putting um light posts along the road.

Oh, I'm looking at sheet two of 16. But this will give it better. What are we looking at? This is the lighting the presentation. Yeah, the lighting pack. Yeah. Also, they're different. Got that. So, it's easy to see, but uh if you look on the boulevard, the red dots identify the existing lighting that's out there today within within the city right away. And then you go into the new proposed street. We have a the blue dots

the blue dots are the lighting we are adding along that that street. So, significantly less probably about half the amount of lighting per linear foot of road, which we do believe is appropriate. does provide adequate safety with the mix of the city lights, blue, sorry, the red city lights in the existing road, our proposed blue lights, and then each garage is going to have a carriage light above the garage lighting uh the driveway. So, you feel like there's going to be plenty plent like a rule of thumb or this is just something. So again, what we're we're looking to do, we always try to achieve roughly a half a foot candle on the walking services. Um, which this will do in combination with the existing lights that are on the boulevard in red, plus the carriage lights that are above each one of the garages and units.

Now, is there like side I don't really see the sidewalk detail? Yeah. So, there is a sidewalk along one side of the street on the inner side of the loop. Oh, I see it. There there's a sidewalk and then there's connections from every unit uh to that sidewalk to be able to get to any of the public spaces on the property. And there's a there's a multi-use uh trail that goes along trail. I just didn't see the sidewalk. I see. Yeah. And then there's obviously a sidewalk on the on the boulevard. Now, will this road be turned over to the city? We are proposing it to be turned over to the city. Yes.

That's to the city. Um, so there are some conflicting details, but we provided a uh a letter to the city that identified we will be uh changing the spec to comply with city standards. Uh we also provided turning we'll be providing turning templates for emergency services to make sure fire trucks go through there. Ultimately all this will have to uh go through the city engineer similar to the sewer. Uh so again we are asking for any approvals tonight to be conditioned upon final sign off of the city engineer. What type of curving are you going to do?

Um, so right now we have proposed it as a a wing wedge. Uh, basically asphalt wing curb. There is discussion that it may need to be a full concrete curve and if that's what it's decide, that's what we will do. I don't think that's a lot. Yeah, I do believe that's one of the things engineering called out specifically is is concrete curbing or granite curbing is their typical uh spec, right? And we can probably will comply with that. It's a wing wedge that's they split like a little it's it basically just like a two foot wide wing to help the the water personally I think are easier to maintain a plow but it's not right right

you're trying to tie those sidewalk area the sidewalk will need certain is it going to be all asphalt up to concrete sidewalk yeah so what we are proposing is a continuous concrete sidewalk Uh, and from the street edge where the curbon will be up to the sidewalk will be a 7 in rise to the front end of the sidewalk. Then a 2% sidewalk and then an elevated whatever slope it needs to be from the back. So you're able to be concrete to the sidewalk. They will be as then concrete sidewalk.

Yep. Is this I think this lot it's pretty much all cleared, right? It's kind of shovel ready or do you guys have to clear? There's vegetation there. It's probably 25 years old. Yeah, this was I mean there were buildings there in the early 2000s I believe when they when they got demolished. Is this car driving? Yeah. So, Floyd Avenue runs across the top of the screen, upper left side on the diagon, right? You go. I think I haven't shown it. Remember those blue? Yeah, there it is.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that that's what was there. This is 2002. I think it was demolished around there. The vegetation that's left probably underground power for everything else. Y underground power against storm sewer that will connect to infiltration bases behind buildings in between the buildings and the river trail. All electric um depending on when we pull building permits. I know there has been a stay on the electric requirement [clears throat] till at least 2027 now. So you might go to gas furnaces.

We're going to have a discussion internally and uh with national grid see what their capacity is. Yeah. Yeah. You'd have to see I guess electric you do like I don't know air air to air heat pumps. Yeah. We've done that successfully. It's just you need to know that you have enough power, right?

Well, we can get into more of the architecture. We'll go to the architectural slides. Talk about the building. We have some elevations provided. There you go. So, tying into what Joe said, right? There's asphalt to sidewalk to asphalt, right? There there are some there is some landscaping treatment that happens between some of the units, but that's one building, right? So, there's 10 units in that building. There's four units on the first floor, there's six units on the second floor. Uh you'll see there's 10 garage doors there. And that that's sort of the challenge, right? Because you got to stuff all those garages in, right? So then you only have four units down, six units up. Um there's two uh two bed, two bath center units, and then there's one bed, one bath end units. Um the two bed, two bath units are under the the metal roof there. So they kind of have this nice pedestrian scale, this nice residential scale for for those ones. And that's their garage right next to it. And then when you see the the three gabled ends, that reverse gable into the main roof, those are the garages for the upper units, right? So the center the main door that's between those garages, there's a set of stairs that bring you up to two units, right? Um so then you have two units, two units, two units for the six above. And then on the ends, we thought it was kind of nice to have um first floor entry to one bed, one bath units on the ends to sort of animate the space between the units. Um which I which we thought was kind of nice. Um you know, this the stone we're showing is manufactured stone, right? It's it is vinyl sighting um with composite trim.

You know, architecturalized shingle roofs, you know, some metal accents. There's some bracketry we're showing on the gables, some corbals on some of the on some of the overhangs. Um I I think the strategy is to sort of have a pallet, right? So that not every building is the same, right? So you can imagine, you know, perhaps the board and batten we're showing goes to shapes on a building. You know, maybe the the color changes, maybe the stone changes, the overall mass doesn't change, the detailing stays the same, but perhaps the color of it and the pallet of the siding might change. Yes. You're not holding a moon. Now, each apartment is going to have their own garage or only half. Every apartment has its own garage. So, there's 10 has a one car. So, one garage and one car.

Correct. Correct. And there's direct access from the garage into your unit.

On street parking, maybe. There is parking along the boulevard. Well, that's What about this road? There should be on street in there. I mean except where the buildings are in between the buildings maybe. Right. I just don't that's not going to be much. No, there's not much room for street room on this side for additional parking. The typical uh parking for apartments would like to be about one and a half to 1.75 per unit. That's the what's driven by the market. We're showing two spaces per unit which is more than with that on street parking all around the boulevard. for visitor and guest parking.

Yeah, right now something else was built, right? Um, is that sidewalk right on the road? So, just that detail to look at. Yeah, this is when we had the wing curve in there. These renderings are based on the wing curve with the introduction of the the concrete uh curving. You're going to see a space. There's about six [snorts] to eight feet. Yeah, I can remember the exact dimension from the curve to the side. Grass in between that uh grass in areas. Yes. Yep. Yeah. So, there'll be Yeah. If you look at I see the one spot. I just Yeah. Yeah. Between the buildings, it'll be grass.

Between the larger landscapes, areas, it's grass in those smaller areas. It just doesn't make sense to try and get grass and grow in that small area. So the upstairs unit, you have a set of stairs from your garage up into the each of the units. Correct. Yeah. So those two garage doors you see with the man door between there's a door from the garage into that stairwell. Oh, okay. Then when you get to the top of the stairs, there's a little borier, I'll call it, with a door into one unit, a door. But essentially allows you to park your car, right?

The six units upstairs, what's the average per square inch? the size of those units. They are they're about 1500 square feet. How many beds? They're um two beds. They're all one bed, one bath up there with the exception of there's four units that are one bed with one den. There's a den. So you if you look at the metal roof, you'll see there's two windows up there. Those are actually dens. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. 1,500 would just be an awful lot for one bedroom, right? I forget nines except the center ones with the den

and the two bedrooms downstairs 11. Do you put a outlet in the garage in case somebody wants electric charge vehicle charger? Is that part of We're not We're not planning because that's a fairly large circuit. So we're not planning to offer that now. Um, it's certainly something we could consider. The state doesn't have any vote on because I know they're pushing feds windmills, solar panels, EVs. They're pushing all that stuff. The federal government had a lot of subsidies on that, but I think they're all going away now.

I think a lot of my heard it's electric ready, right? There's conduit, so they dig up and destroy everything to get it put in [clears throat] later. Where are the electric panels? Are they in the curve? Each unit has its own electricity up in the unit. In [clears throat] the unit? Yes. If you had a conduit down, make it pretty easy to pull out. All right. And level two EV charger is just a 240 volt circuit. Yeah. It just depends on the current, right? Your 20, 30, 40, 50.

Yeah. We'll consult with our electrician, but it does sometimes in these apartment panels, they're smaller panels, and running that extra circuit kind of throws it throws it over the balance a little bit. Yeah. The rear go. Yeah.

Let's look at that next. I think was your original That's the original. So, I'll call this the rear of the building. Right. So, each unit has its own modest patio, right? Patio door goes out to a porch. So, this is out on the boulevard side. Correct. Um, and there were some comments on this about particularly the ones on the boulevard as to not making them so back of like a rear of a building, right? Is there is there something we can do to

to address sort of the aesthetic of that? particularly those five buildings I kind of got off all of them. This was the original design concept. Um, then that comment came through and then we went through a couple of iterations of this and I think if we went to

So what we did here was we scaled it up, right? So you'll see these porches are a little bigger, right? Gives them a little more presence, right? Um, and then we changed the upper to not be enclosed, but maybe it's a rail. The first floor, if you look at the, you know, particularly the one on the corner there, it's sort of like this front porch feel, right? Yeah. A little stone.

It's a quarter light door with quarter light side lights. There's a stone plint and the column comes down, sits on the plint, and then we kind of threw some brackets in there, some knee brackets, um, to make it feel like a front porch. Um, and then we just flank it with some carriage lights on the side, you know, and our thought would be that these would be those five buildings that wrap around the ballpark just to give it a little presence. All the other buildings would be similar. Maybe they don't have the stone plinth or something like that. Maybe they're scaled down, but this was sort of our reaction to the comment that that had come through. Now, you said the the lighting kind of shines in the second floor. or is there anything you can do to mitigate that from the

So, you know, couple things that can be done. Um, introduce more landscaping in trees to buffer between the rear yards and the boulevard. Um, there's also the potential of uh calling outside shields that can be installed on the lights to uh direct the light more towards the road rather than towards the residential buildings. Yeah, I was thinking blackout. But I will say it's a future landlord. Like we're not that concerned about it. We just didn't want we didn't want to add so much additional lighting that that it became, you know, kind of parking lot feeling. I don't think I mean there there's a 20 to 30 foot space between those posts and the building, right?

That was my question. That that sidewalk's 30 feet away. 25. Yeah, that's what I was curious. Yeah. So there's a little bit of a gap there which which we like. Um, and you know, I think you actually you said it maybe, but curtains are probably the most important thing. There's going to be a lot of traffic on that road. There'll be it's going to be busy. There'll be games. There'll be soccer games. So, you know, you're going to have to have window treatments. I was just thinking like if I was sitting out on that patio there and people are walking by mean somebody's going to put something up. You're probably going to have to have some type of I mean, you imagine the blue curtains that'll be up or something. That'll be We will absolutely have landlord Yeah. restrictions or or have a plan in place with some type of vinyl fence or something.

Yep, we'll do that. We also will have restrictions on what So, if they want to grill, you'll allow them to grill out there. We're going to have restrictions on what can be done. What we're going to try to do is focus all that activity on the other side. I got you. So, if people want to set up a swing set for their kids, we'd rather it be on the inner facing side. Keep this side as clean as we can. With the driveways now, there's not a lot of room over on that side. No, it's not a whole lot of room, but you know, for for a little kids play center, it'll be enough. Mhm. Our goal is just to have We don't want this space to get too right.

Is there going to be some type of uh area like are you going to have a larger area for them to meet gather versus I mean, you got a lot of apartments there. What we have in the uh Park Avenue side is we have large uh open space areas on that side of the development. So that would be an area that they can walk to. I think if you uh Park Avenue is a second phase or whatever.

Park Avenue is the second phase there. There's two large open space areas immediately adjacent once you cross the power line that gives open field, you know, potential for some field sports. Plus, you have the center of that boulevard. um to be able to use as recreation space. And we have the bike path connecting essentially this part of the development that so you know older kids that are allowed to be on their own walk along the bike path and get to whatever we're going to do over there as well as like you said access the the city facility I just got one more maintenance who's going to be you guys going to have your own maintenance team for the the side the city sidewalks essentially are maintained by the property owner so which would be you guys all the way you're going to

just like our city loss we we you'll do your own the tenants won't be responsible Then it' be you guys over to take care of it. Driveways too. Each driveway. Uh yeah, I think we can take care of everything. Okay. I'm just curious. There's not a lot of space to put that snow. You have to evaporate it. Thanks, guys. Thank you. This is rent only. You ready to move? Ready to make the move? Yeah. I don't know where you're going to put the snow in the driveways. That's take it out.

We're considering having ownership options on the park drive side, but we haven't arrived. Exactly. That's get a melter electric melter. Can't have gas. Perfect. [laughter]

All right. Thank you. Um, okay. Members of the public, any comments on item, what are we? Nine. We'll get back to my agenda. Item nine on the agenda, uh, community and economic development. The proposed development generally aligns with the Wood Haven revitalization plan adopted by the city in 2018 and integrates into the city's overall vision for the site. The board issued a uh seeker negative declaration for the Wood Hidden Project as a whole in 2021 and reaffirmed the negative declaration at last month's regular meeting. Uh the applicant is seeking leniency on front setback along the newly constructed right of way along the boulevard. Uh proposing 15 to 20 feet instead of the zero foot build two line for this district. The planning board has the authority to grant this under section 80-9.2H8. Uh we recommend conditional approval of the proposed site plan with the following conditions. One final design of the proposed rightofway must be designed to the satisfaction of the city engineer and receive approval from the Rome Common Council before it can be accepted as a city rightofway. Uh final site plan should be revised to address comments from RFD regarding hydrant placement and ladder access. Um and three in lie of a zero foot build two line along the boulevard. The architectural design uh for building elevations facing the boulevard should be revised to increase engagement along the streetscape and avoid the perception the buildings are facing away from the primary RFW. I think you guys had done that. That came in after these recommendations were drafted.

I missed that. I don't think we talked about No, we didn't. We missed that about the zero foot setback 15 25T. You guys want to talk about that a little bit? Yeah. So, if we go back to that elevation of the uh perspective from the rear on the boulevard, you know, the prescribed city code wants these buildings to be within 0 to 5 feet of the rightway line. By doing that, we're pulling these buildings right up to that that sidewalk. What we want to do is create a little bit of space, a little bit of outdoor area from those units to be able to provide some level of privacy, some level of place. So, we're pushing them back to about 20 to 25 ft. So, was that a commercial thing that they Was that for commercial?

Yeah, I know. What What is this zoned? Is this a This is a um This is subsection A of subsection A of the Wood Hidden Revitalization District. That section allows for a very broad mix of uses anything from commercial to residential. Um, and so there wasn't a concrete of this will either be residential, this will be commercial in the Wood Haven revitalization plan. It was intentionally left flexible, which is part of the reason the board has the ability in for that district to approve leniency as opposed to sending it to a a variant. So they they specified within five feet of the rightway and that's called the build two line in the code. And is that the multi-use path?

Yeah, that would be coming off of the multi-use path. There's usually a couple of feet off of. I mean, if you're 5t away from that multi-use path, you'd be towering. I mean, we're certainly Well, not only that, you'd be towering over the path, too.

We're familiar with the intent of zones like that. And in tight inner urban neighborhoods where you want uh, you know, essentially a street wall where there's engagement right up the street, it makes sense. Um, I think what we're asking for is sensitivity to what's across from us. You know, it's not a nice little neighborhood of little buildings and shops across from us. It's a city rec center and a playing field and there's a lot of activity and a lot of cars over there. Yeah, that cleared it up. Yeah. No, I Yeah. Okay. I I think it's definitely for this use case with the residential, you definitely want a little setback there. Like you said, if you had storefronts, yeah, you might want it right up first. Yeah.

Right. Um Okay. So, can we just do a approval with recommendations as recommended? Yeah, as per staff comments. Per staff comments. I make a motion to approve based on the staff comments. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Good luck with your project. Um, thank you guys for uh investing. Yeah. In the community. Motion to adjurnn. No. Uh yeah. Motion to adjurnn. Can we get a second? All those in favor? I

All those guys, we are ajourned. How's that other point? How's that coming along? The building behind you just approved subs. Um we're probably about a week away from final lease, so get going on that. We'll be back before you.