Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Nothing nothing going on. Just trying to sell the property. Yep. So they are they're splitting into Right. They have one. They're splitting. Yeah. One large lot that fronts the lake. We're cutting the two subtly lots off that that front uh Fug Point Road, Golf Course Road. Yeah. Okay. Uh board members, members, uh community, any comments, staff agency,

proposed parcel dimensions are compliant with zoning code minimums. Wetlands are present on one of the project parcels. This doesn't impact the ability of the parcels to be subdivided, but the applicant should be aware that it may impact the possibility of future development of the land. Our department recommends issuing a seeker negative declaration via uncoordinated review and appro approving the proposed subdivision plat presented. Okay, we got a motion on item nine, the seeker review. Make a motion to issue a negative deck. Second. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Item 10, subdivision review request. Can we get a motion on the subdivision? Uh a motion for approval of the subdivision. Second.

All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Good luck. Permits process. Yeah. You know to file there. Yeah. All right. Thank you. I'll be in touch. Yep. Have a good evening.

Okay. Next is a public hearing request. Two lot minor subdivision hog road tax ID 25700-1-48. First request. Any members of the public like to speak for against the project? Uh second call sub public hearing request item 11 on the agenda. Two lot minor subdivision Hog Road. Third and final request. Uh public hearing request Tyler Meyer um mayor Meyer uh two lot subdivision Hog Road tax ID 25700-1-48 third and final call and unheard public hearing request is closed. Next is items 12 and 13 our environmental seeker review and our subdivision review. Petitioner, please state your name and tell us a little bit about the project.

Hi there. Sam Platt just here representing the Myers from Morland Lancerbang. So, as you can see here, we're just taking uh subdividing out, you know, just under two acres for lot one and [clears throat] just over 11 acres here for lot two. Uh both are vacant property and conform to the road frontage requirements. And then just to the left or to the west, [clears throat] excuse me, of lot one, we are just taking and moving uh the neighbors property line. I'm just selling that little triangle piece. Okay. Off to them as a boundary line adjustment or property line adjustment. Okay. So, Yep.

This is the existing residence and then they're splitting off this in the triangle. Uh, correct. Yep. So, Yep. So, they have their access to the road from there means rope front edge minimum. Correct.

All right. Um [clears throat] board members questions. Um okay. Uh members of the community, any comments on environmental seeker review subdivision review for two lot minor subdivision on Hog Road? [clears throat] Staff agency comments. The proposed parcel dimensions are compliant with zoning code minimums. Wetlands are present on one of the project parcels. This does not impact the ability of the parcels to be subdivided, but the applicant should be aware it may impact the possibility of future development of the land. The property is also within uh New York State Historic Preservation Office's archaeological buffer area. Like most of the city of Rome, um the applicant should confirm with Shipo if any actions are necessary prior to initiating ground disturbance for any construction project in the future. Uh our department recommends issuing a seeker negative declaration via uncoordinated review and approving the proposed subdivision plat as presented.

Then you got to file the updated. Uh I'm environmental seeker item 12. I make a motion to issue the negative deck. Second motion. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. It's uh item 13, subdivision review. Two lot minor subdivision. Make a motion to approve the subdivision review. As presented. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Good luck to Mr. Meyer. Thank you for coming in.

Thank you very much. 14 review of request BK realy to extend the site plan approval granted in December uh December 3rd 2024 for project on Gford Road tax ID 220.016-1-15 016-1-15. Petitioner, come forward. Please tell us a little bit what's going on. Status update. Excuse me. Julian Clark with Plumbley Engineering here with Arthur Kerr. We're representing the owner developer of the property. And back in December 2044, we received approval for a 46 unit residential development on the corner of Liford and Giberty. Um, since that time, we finalized the contract drawings and the owner has been putting together a finance package, but he got kind of tied up with some other projects and wasn't able to get it all put together. So, we're requesting to extend the approval for a year, and he has good intentions to start in the spring.

Okay. Um, board members questions. Nothing has changed, right? Nope. Just just you got kind of baldled up with some other stuff. Where did this one go? It's been a year. We talked about lighting. We talked about sidewalks, dumpster enclosure, and then now they're doing trash at each individual unit. Um, okay. And you think you're going to break ground in in the I think you're going to have a construction company manage the Yeah, we did like we met with the city on some utility stuff. We still got to finalize that, but it's all moving forward. Just not as fast as building permit in the spring. What's the stuff you're waiting on? You said utilities.

We got met with Pat on some utility work. We had different locations he wants to clean up a little bit and uh then he'll okay those we can get them to contractors. Any other questions? Board uh comments concerns members of community economic staff agency comments. Uh this item 14 seems a reasonable request. It's the first time they've come for an extension. I don't see any reason to Okay. Get a motion. Yeah. Make a motion to grant the extension. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Good luck with your project. Thank you.

Okay. Next is item 15, site plan review request by B240 LLC for revision to previously approved site plan at 129 to 143 Air City Boulevard. I always like this uh B240 LLC because I worked in building 240 on the base for several years. So, it's Yeah.

Uh good evening. Matt Robson with the LA group uh here represent the project. Um is a revision to an approved site plan. Um we'll be removing uh 42 parking spaces, putting in two buildings. Um one with 20 units, one with 28 units. Um parking is sufficient for the that's existing on site to handle the additional um residential units. Um each of the buildings is a two-story structure. Um there'll be new sanitary uh connection with a pump station um and a force man to handle the sanitary and water's coming as well off of um Hangar Road. What's the sewer like now? Is there

nothing in the back? Yeah, grinders now. Currently on the on the on the on the buildings um that are on the south side currently they would be serviced. Um, does each building have its own or does it go to one central location? For these, it will have one sensor for these two. What about for the other six? I believe that they are a central location that's pumped out from there. One central location and it doesn't have capacity to take these additional two. Uh, no, the stretch. Yeah.

Okay. Um, let's see. I'm trying to get to the package here. We had some up on the docket here today. Air City [clears throat] Boulevard. Got it. So we have um so we have the six buildings that are there pretty they must be fairly full occupancy. You're expanding and demand signals showing more need especially probably with growth coming to be similar [clears throat] to what you have now. Uh I design they are they're a different design you know they're separate they're kind of in the back behind the back there. So they're kind of a different uh building. No commercial space then.

No commercial space strictly. Um think you got enough commercial in the existing buildings. Yeah. Um you know just a comment um you know I know I've talked to people in the buildings that I guess that you know noise is an issue between the the units. You might want to consider insulation in the walls between units. Sound deadening. Okay. Just a thought. um something for y'all to contemplate. Um so the style design is kind of consistent. You're tying in to make like a campus. Yeah. Now you're going to lose parking, but you're still going to have enough units, parking spaces per residential units.

Yes. Yeah. There's um on the complex as a whole, there's a there's a surplus of about 82 spaces above the minimum requirement um that is for this area. Even with the two even with this coming off and the new units coming in. Did you convert some of the existing commercial to Yeah, some of the existing commercial uh was converted to um residential units as well. Commercial use has a higher intensity of park requirements. So and that's all driven by the code. U bicycle spaces. Yep. So they'll need bicycle spaces. That's typical. Yes. So, where's your trash? [clears throat]

Uh, we had the trash located on those dumpster enclosures. Dumpster enclosures. Yes. Maybe solid fence around it or Yes, I believe solid fence around it. Yeah, that's required under code anyway. What's that? That's required under code. Yeah, I just wanted the detail. You don't like white, right?

I don't like [laughter] the white vinyl's a little harsh on the eye. I like How many units are these blocks? So, are these doors over here? So each of these probably easier for me to each of the squares this unit here like take that there's four units you come in here you go up to two units above and there's two units below that's a cold uh there's just one up into um splits into two units above it and it's just a stair stairwell and stairwell that goes up so only those residents to those four units have access to that outer door

uh just to these two the two residents of these upper Oh, okay. Access to that center. The other two have their own access. Oh, I didn't see I couldn't tell. Neither. Yeah, it is kind of. Yes, it's there's three entrances on each. Oh, I was wondering what that was there. Okay, I see it now. So, what are you going to do for heating and air conditioning? Um, PE tech units. So, is that individual mini splits basically? Yeah. Yeah, many splits. Where are the Where are the units going to be located? The outside units that can they're on the

You're with the Yeah. Yeah. Just please state your name. Sure. No, and Amber Matias with the Nachio Development. Okay. Um, so the PTA units, so the way that this is set up, you can't see quite on this rendering, but for the first floor units, the living rooms are on the back side of those. So that PTAC unit is on that living room side. On the ones on the upper floors that the living room is actually the one that's looking out to the front of the building. So those will be located there aesthetically underneath the window. So it's not obvious. And those actually are shown accurately on the drawings right below the windows there. They're they're mechanical. Are those built right into the wall? So it's not like a standard mini split that Yeah. So is it more like you have small so they're just

Is it more like you would have like at a motel kind of built in to the wall with but with a thermostat you know so well yeah are they ducked in they're ducked in throughout the they're ducked in. These are you know essentially studios. So just right there. Okay. Right there. Any gas going to be in Sorry. Is there any gas going to be in the that property? Like natural gas. All electric. Yeah. Yeah. These are all electric, but no gas in the whole building. I think everything now has to be all electric, right? With New York State. You don't get in by the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah. But these unless you put a generator.

These are all studios. So, we have one unit that's 20, one that's 28. So, the square footage of each of them is around 465 ft, which is consistent with the studios we have in the other buildings that are in high demand. So, we're seeing most of our tenants are looking for, right? So, so it's it's too small for the the smallest normal furnace system. Yeah. Right. Right. Oversized for it. No, as I said what what Amber just said. There's just a lot of demand for that unit size. We're I mean we're at 99% occupancy right now. So just trying to build what

So now do they have little patios in each one of these or common areas? Where's their common area going to be for this block? Much area out front, but each of these areas have like a little entrance quarter that comes up into the the entrances are right here out the So all four apartments will share that. Yeah, it's really not much. Just try to do some plantings in front. Yeah. Nothing out back then. No room out back. There's no real room. It pretty d dives off pretty quick because we're maintaining the existing fence line that's back there encroachment. So,

it gives the the uh tenants a direct access studio. So, you don't have to go through a huge lobby or an elevator to get to your uh to get to your unit. We've seen success in a couple of other projects with this. So, you go up at center quarter, you go directly to your room is a little bit more hive and feel. So, this looks like you maybe walk in. I think I'm looking at the I don't know if it's the bottom or the top. You walk in. Looks like there's a little fourtop table. There's a couch, a chair, a little kitchenet, and then a bedroom and a bathroom. You got it. And the heat co will just heat and air will flow into the bed and the Yeah. So, there's how many apartments in those two all together? 20 in one, 28 in the other for a total of four.

Now, what if a handful wanted a grill? Is there an area that they can go to and put their little grill in the yard? I mean, there's not a lot of grass there. That's what I'm like. You don't have that. There's not a need for that. I know your tenants have asked that before. No grilling, no outside. We haven't had that issue. No dog walking. You know, there's I mean, there's no grass at all. I mean, in that area, I don't see, you know, you you allow pets. Yes, we do. Yeah. That hasn't really been an issue in the development. I think people just take their take their dogs on a walk around the entire complex. Yeah, there's a lot of public green space on the the the Griffith base itself, business park. Yeah,

people we've actually been surprised people have been really good at cleaning up after the pets, so it hasn't been an issue. You were correct. The sound issue is the biggest one we're dealing with and it's tricky, but some tenants are just really loud, but we we always are searching for the right the right wall system. Yeah, unless you have like all poured concrete, it's kind of hard to deaden. Yeah. But we are going to try to make improvements to that. Absolutely. Okay. Sprayful is a big expense. Yeah. I mean, sometimes you just build like a like a hotel wall where it's actually a staggered stud wall and the two, you know, sheetrock don't tie up into one another when you stand. Makes it better really. Yeah.

Because you don't have any kind of So you have like 2 by4s, but you kind of stagger them and Yeah. You use a use a 2 by10 or 2 by six plate. You put the Right. Yeah. And then you put this side and every other Yeah. Yep. That's great on exterior wall for insulation too for thermal. Yeah. Works for audio as well, right? Yeah. Okay. What's that little area in between the two buildings? What is that here? Yes. Yes. So, it's um there's going to be a couple of maintenance just maintenance areas to get into those buildings. I didn't know if you can go for

I think on the original plan and what was submitted those areas were on the rear of the building. Um but because of the the grading that was kind of steep, we didn't want to try and get a sidewalk all the way around the back. So, we incorporated them into like one center area where we just get access that way. Does the trash look too? Yes. Trash. Is there enough to put like a picnic table or something in between here? No, there could be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. No, it's [clears throat] a nice idea.

All right. Any other questions? Board members? Um, thank you. Uh, members of the community, comment and trying to find where are we? Um, no, that's 4200 square ft. Water. There we are. 15. Thanks, Eric. Um, okay. Uh, staff agency comment.

Applicant is seeking to add two low-rise multif family residential structures to a previously approved site plan for eight mid-rise mixeduse structures. The new structures would add approximately 5 to 7% uh the overall gross square footage of the project. Traffic is anticipated to be within the amounts considered during the initial site plan approval. As such, a new environmental review under New York Seeker does not appear to be necessary. Uh the Department of Community and Economic Development recommends approving the proposed site plan revision as presented. Okay, good motion. I get a motion to approve the site plan. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Good luck with your project. Three copies, Garrett. Permits,

state laws, federal laws, city code. You got to comply with everything. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next is uh item 16 and 17. Environmental see-through review and a site plan review request by Hangar Road Rome LLC. Construction of a 42,000 foot office building on Hangar Road. tax ID 24-0000-1-3.1. Uh we have a request from the petitioner to table items 16 and 17. So motion to put items 16 and 17 on the table. I make a motion to put 16 and 17 on the table.

Second.

All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item 18 and 19, we have environmental seeker review request by Wood Haven Ventures LLC for 341 unit residential development consisting single family homes, town homes, and multif family garden apartments, Pluto Lane, Mars Drive, Jupiter Lane, Vega Drive, Venus Circle, Saturn Drive, and Orion Circle. Same thing. Item 18 is seeker review. Item 19 is the site plan review. Petitioner, please come forward. Um, now this is the back half to I think we had additional originally approved the subdivision request. Now the [clears throat and cough] you had the front and then this is the back portion. So th this is uh part of what was previously approved as a 250 lot subdivision. Uh we're modifying that approval to be able to uh now propose a total of 341 units on the south of the power lines on what we're calling the Park Avenue portion of the property.

How's the current phase going? Um the single family house sales are are slow. Uh, and that's one of the reasons we're here is because we are looking to add in some apartments, different type of apartments and twin homes to the mix um to help promote the sales and the buildout of the community. How many homes have you built? So, uh, phase one is approved at 37 and I believe there are 11 homes built at this point in time.

Now, are you leaving the 37 as is or are you going to kind of reconfigure that based on market demand as part of this proposal? So, while the 37 that's approved is not changing. Okay. And I believe there's another 50 57 that are on the east side of Park Avenue that we are not going to change. We're going to keep, you know, a total of around 80 single family homes and then we're going to go into the twin homes and the uh multif family units, the garden style apartments. Okay. Okay.

All right. So, I guess just to introduce myself, I'm uh Joe Dannal with the Environmental Design Partnership here on behalf of Wood Haven Ventures and our application for a modified site plan review and that we're looking to change from an approved 250 lot subdivision uh to a 341 lot. We added the original 37. It's really uh 378 units uh on this portion of the project. Um, we're here tonight uh for the board to reaffirm seeker uh finding that the project is consistent with previous Seeker findings that were issued in 2018 for the property. [clears throat and cough] Um, we're also looking for a conditional site plan approval uh and that we do need to go to the ZBA in December for a use variance related to the multifamily uh that is located on the property.

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it'll see out. Um, [clears throat] very briefly, sites located off of Park Drive on this map. Floyd Avenue runs uh uh right and left along the top. Park Drive comes down, bisects the property. Uh, and then uh, as you can see, the property's highlighted in yellow. We have a roughly 63 acres of land that we're looking to develop. Again, all the all the names of the roads and drives that uh, Chairman Espazito is reading off to us, I'll leave it at that. Uh, next one. Just takes a second. Okay. Uh, first slide is going to be the overall community master plan, which we are showing. Uh, the the next phase of the project, if you will, is up along Floyd Avenue in the new roads that were constructed. Um, we'll be back in December for site plan review and approval on the upper leftand portion of the page. Um everything on the south side of the page other than the 31 lots that are kind of grayed out, sorry, 37 lots that are grayed out along Park Drive, um is the amendment to the application that we're looking at here today.

So this part and this part this correct side. Yep. Park Avenue and the single family to the right or east uh is to remain the same. Right. And so we're talking correct. So then as you head to the west um what we're doing is trying to create a logical transition from the single family detached dwellings. We're then moving to the west to the um single family attached uh towno house style uh units. Uh each one of the units will have its own uh garage associated with it and parking. Uh [clears throat] there we go. Um

yeah, I think you go back one

back one. So again, yeah, it was we're looking um 50 57 single family, not including the original 37 that have been approved. Then we go into the single family attached or the attached dwelling, the duplexes. Uh we're looking at 42 buildings with 84 units, each with their own uh garage space associated with them. Um and then we move into the 10unit garden style apartment buildings. As you head further to the east, there is 23 of them for 230 units. Um, again, all of those units will have their uh private garage space connected to their units uh up and down units. We have uh garages and four on the first floor and six units on the second floor. [clears throat and cough] Uh the project's utilizing all the ex existing streets. There is a agreement with the development to um between the city and the developer to build and repave all of those streets and upgrade them, bring them into a closer compliance and standard with uh the current streets. All the units will be connected to municipal sewer, municipal water. We are providing uh sidewalks on both side of the streets throughout the community. uh each one of the units in the garages will have a carriage light associated with that which will help light up the streets, light the parking areas and sidewalks and then we uh typically throw in some sort of an ornamental light at the intersecting drives to light up the intersections. Um trash each one of the units has a garage therefore trash canisters will be in the garage. They have a road road to the street side for trash collection pickup. Um, we all are also maintaining some green space and developing uh park areas for the residents of this community. Um, we're going to have most

of the areas in the rear yards are going to be a passive open space area, but as you get up into the multifamily sections, the upper two green areas um on the left hand side of the page, one you can see where there's uh no units on the street, we're going to turn that into more of an active park area. um you know, possibly uh dog park in there, potentially uh open fields, throwing the ball around, maybe a pavilion, maybe gazeos, things like that. But just a very passive type of park setting um so that the residents of this community have an open space area to to be able to utilize for their recreational purposes. Uh and again ultimately uh as it exists today uh connecting the connector road that was built by the city will continue to north and ultimately connect into the Floyd Avenue. Next slide. Um we are breaking the project into multiple [clears throat] phases. Right now we are showing five phases on this side of the pro property. We have you know phase one A, 1 B, two, three, four and five. They may not actually be constructed in that order, but we are breaking them up. Uh because we won't be constructing every unit simultaneously. We are going to build them in phases. We likely will be building a um you know portion of phase 1A as it currently exists. That's the 37 homes on Park Drive. Then phase two is shown as all the town houses. We'll be constructing a portion of those. And um phase three, four or five, one of those will also be constructed. So therefore, we'll have three different unit styles um being built at the same time to um appeal to a a variety of residents in the market for this type of living.

So the light blue, the green and the white, they have 10 unit buildings, eight 10 unit buildings, then six and nine, correct? For 80, 60, and 90. So that should be 23. So there are as part of the modification there are 341 units. There are there is the existing 37 on park drive. So that's in addition to the 378 but again the

378 but the 37 units on park drive are already approved. So they're really not up. So it's 3 340s 41. The 37 is phase phase 1 A and 1B. Correct. 1A is essentially the 37. 37 1 A 1 B would be the 57 which is included in the 341. Correct. Yeah. The only thing not included in 341 is the 37 on Park Avenue. Okay. That was the the grayish that little kind of rectangle.

Correct. basically all the residents that would have an address on Park Avenue itself. Uh I think next slide elevations. Uh these are the initial elevations that we are looking at for the garden style apartments. Uh front elevation will be on your your upper left. That is uh showing the access the garage for each one of the units. 10 garage units. Um, doors to the upstairs units will be in between the garages and then there will be two doors along the side of the building. That'd be the rear elevation in the middle of the page, the front elevation on the bottom. Uh, if you look under if you can look under it, but the the video that's playing live there, there is side doors coming in on the side of the building. That will be to two first floor units in that location. If you look at our plans, we do have sidewalks connecting from those doors around to the parking areas in the front.

How far is the front of the buildings to the sidewalk in the street? It's a good question. So, the reason why I ask is I'm thinking about lighting and not having kind of you said you're going to have ornamental at the intersection, but not having them along the way. We're probably I'm going to say from the building to the sidewalk we're probably about 25 feet and then there's another 10 feet to the road. So you're about 40 feet in total from the edge of the road to the garage doors give or take depending on where you're at.

You know, there's issues with I I'm assuming probably 1 A and 1B that are already approved. Um but you know, who who maintains those lights when there's a bulb out? Is it up to the tenant to replace it? Can they just turn it off? You know, is it paid? Is it on their bill? Can they just take the bulb out if they want to reduce their electric bill? So on so forth. You know, not having community lighting could be uh, you know, could be an issue. Have you thought about all that? Any thoughts or comments?

You know, it it's something um we we can look into um to to make sure that there's adequate lighting. You know, certainly we like to try and achieve about a half foot candle on the sidewalk for safety purposes, especially this time of the year when people will be walking in the evening. Um, so we will look at that and if we can't maintain the appropriate level of lighting with carriage lights, we'll we'll look at adding some street lights. other board members. I know this has been discussion at some other So, we're talking about the you're talking about having the pedestal lights tied into the power of each individual department. So, each apartment is going to have a carriage light associated with their garage mounted to the mounted to the building.

Mounted to the building. Correct. So, who pays for that part? That's power that's paid for by the residents. The res. So, they have full control. Um I I've seen it done where those lights are photo volcaic cells and they turn on at night. You don't actually have a switch for them. They are just on Oh yeah. But I mean if it's hooked to a breaker inside the Yeah. Still they don't pay their bill. If you had several make it there's no power or if they turn the breaker off. Yeah. Unless you wire it to the refrigerator out which you probably can't do. Joking. Yeah. Go ahead. Shut the front light. Yeah. Use your refrigerator.

Yeah. We kind of really like to have the definitely lighting throughout. It's not controlled by the tennis pedestal light either pole or pedestal type something like that. I would imagine the street lighting that we have throughout the all the utilities are going to be underground. Um. Yes. Yes. All electric, no gas. um based upon current situation anything built after this year is going to be on gas. I I think there's not G all electric. I think there's an exception to that though, right? I mean, have you gone to National Grid? Can they support electric heating for all these years?

I I'm uh I don't want to get too much into the weeds here, but I am part of a builder association and u as of today there's been an injunction filed that this may get delayed, right? Is what I've heard as of about two hours ago. Oh wow. Yeah, [clears throat] it's still law that it's not, but it's there's there's hope, guess, you know, they also passed that by 2030. I think if you have your boiler or gas furnace goes and needs to be replaced after 2030, you have to upgrade to all electric, which would be really interesting proposition for somebody with with me like me with hydronic heating, right? Yeah. Not not going to be fun. Sorry.

See what happens when you get a new Good luck. We'll see. I know. Um, okay. So, that's Yeah, it may be, but for for right now, all electric and national grid has the capacity in that portion of the grid to deliver or have you not gotten that far? Yeah. In general, National Grid has always said yes, they find a way to make that power happen. They have the transmission lines. It's just a matter of powering them from various sources. But we haven't been told no. Yeah. What's the per apartment? Off the top of my head, I don't know.

I I I don't know. It's it's it's it's not not substantial in comparison to what was previously there at this site. This was completely built out of property with hundreds of units military. Just the refrigerator probably the house back. Correct. I'm hearing. Are you going to do heat sign or you have to? Um, honestly I haven't got that far into the detail on exactly but that seems to be the direction everyone that's going all air source heat pump air source heat pumps as opposed to ground source did you have were you raising your hands a few minutes ago

um it's a good question I don't think that we'll be doing any construction this year? It's probably going to be spring. No, nothing this year. We'd look to start um at the earliest probably next summer. What are thoughts on a condition to have street lighting?

We're we're amendable to that. I mean, I think there are some solutions as you were starting to get into. I mean, if they're if they're photovotayic cells mounted on the building and the the landlord is responsible for their working condition and replacing the lights and the tenant does not have control over those, I would go back to to Joe's classification of, you know, if we can meet the foot candle requirement off of those lights, that might work. Um, if that doesn't work, we're more than willing to to add additional lighting. I just want to bring it up that we that was the other project that miracle we didn't allow you know so you didn't allow just the coach didn't they tried the same thing yeah we said that for the

Mr. Andrew Matt Andrew from the city of Rome

Mr. Chairman, board members, just um to jog everyone's memory, several months ago, the city um applied with Onidita County for uh New York State County infrastructure grant um for public street lighting in Wood Haven in the old the Wood Haven neighborhood of the planetary streets. Um the city does own the rightaways through that property still maintain ownership um at the city level for those. Uh the city was awarded 750,000 in uh lighting a lighting grant for lighting and uh electrical grant for the area for the entire project not just phase one and

for the entire project and it required a uh an equal dollar fordoll match for the grant. So the total project the city's looking at a $ 1.5 million uh lighting improvement project in that neighborhood. So that's that's what's different between Got it. the delta in the site. The state's coming up with 750 and the city has to come up with seven uh the countyy's matching some of the funds. So, um the funding split is hasn't been determined yet, but uh half of the 1.5 million needs to come from local funds. So, a share between county and and city funds. So, this would would meet the requirement of the lighting if if we were to put a condition on it. Well,

well, this so the the the street lighting is going to essentially be handled the public street lighting within the planetary streets will be handled. Okay. By the city by the city. So it wouldn't be incumbent upon. So I guess that just moves the question of of back to that distance. Yeah. You know or unless you all wanted to work with the city provides some local funding. Does that change your what you're going to find anyways or you just No, if I'm hearing them correctly, there's going to be street lights installed by the city which is probably going to meet that requirement, but I think we'd still have Yeah, I think those are nice. I guess in light of that

in that [clears throat] February Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I went off on a tangent, so that's okay. We're all the the the National Grid all electric mandate is on all of us. Yeah. And you were starting to say something which I I agree with that there there was word that if National Grid says they cannot serve, then you get a special I think that's written into the law ahead of that. Now some single family residences are getting four and 600 amp services. I've heard certain we've seen large single families with 400 amp service 600 amp really big.

Um and I know a lot of the subdivisions I've been working on there's no longer the four the 4T x 4 foot transformers at the intersection. They're now like 8 foot by 10 foot massive structures going in to support the the anticipated future demands. Yeah. And all I mean I'm in a established neighborhoods on the poles. They got the, you know, trash cans on the poles for the transformers. But you start putting 400 amp entrance in every home and have to have a lot more transformers. Anyway, we we're way off topic. Um, yeah, you got to charge the electric car. Driving it. Yeah. And what's happening is electric rates are starting to go up. So this

25 cents a kilowatt hour on my bill. Yeah. Like the cheaper run [laughter] with diesel. With diesel. going down fast. Now we're off the track. All right. Where where were you?

So, uh just be going through the elevations. Here's the elevations for the garden style. The next slide has uh uh some of the anticipated characteristics of the single family and the duplex uh developments. I think uh the top upper left is an actual picture uh from this development that's already been going in. And then the last slide we looked at traffic. We did an updated assessment you know based upon what was approved in 2018. Um there is an increase in traffic as we are going from 250 single family to the uh you know roughly we looked at the grand total which includes the next phase. So we're up around close to 500 units in total when our next phase here. Um so there is a there is an increase in traffic. However, um it's identified that the existing road network is more than ample capacity to handle uh the additional traffic. Again, based upon the historic utilization of these roads, we're faced with full operation, but we're still not getting anywhere near that, you know. So, with that, we're looking to have the board reaffirm seeker, not reopen it, just reaffirm that it's consistent with the original findings. and looking for the conditional site plan approval based upon um conditioned on ZBA approval.

Right. Right. I think the only real issue was you have to go to ZBA for the over to for the multi multif family. Absolutely. The multif family. Yeah. I think that Yeah, that would be probably condition subject to the TBA. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think there's actually a picture of the previous uh units back when it was base housing illustrate the Yeah, I think two three slides down. Yeah, we found it on, you know, Google Earth has this time scale that you can go back. It was in the early 90s, I think, right? Oh, wow.

Yeah, that one that that was Yeah, that that's the overall buildout when existed there when the base was in operation. historic photo op too. And if you zoom into those, each of those squiggly blocks is six, eight, 10 units. They appear. I mean, it's only from the roof, but you can kind of see the Yeah, they look like row houses. Offset row houses. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Questions, board members,

comments, members of the community, staff agency comments. The proposed development closely aligns with the Wood Haven revitalization plan adopted by the city in 2018 and integrates into the city's overall vision uh for the site. The applicant will need a use variance for the construction of multif family residential units in wood area a Wood Haven sub area B. But the town homes and single family residential units are fully code compliant. The board issued a seeker negative declaration for the Woodhaven project as a whole in 2021, but this phase will raise the total proposed unit count from 250 across all phases to 371. As such, we recommend the board formally reaffirm the previous uh seeker negative declaration for the project remains valid. We also recommend that the board approve the proposed site plan condition on the receipt of the necessary variance uh from the zoning board of appeals.

For the secret updates, we have to go back to state and other folks. No, this would just be a vote by the board that says that the facts have not materially changed even with the increase in the number of units because it's still well within the historical amount and what was contemplated in the Wood Haven plan. Okay. Okay. Can we get a motion on theated seeker? I make a motion to reaffirm the seeker. Second motion. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. And can I get a motion on the site plan review item 19? Make a motion to approve the site plan with the ZBA variance. Right. Second motion.

All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Good luck with your projects. They have to they don't have to submit any updated the updated drawings and all work with Matt. Yeah, I'll I'll be in touch tomorrow when I send the action letter and all of that. We'll get the the final stuff that you need to stamp and all that. back CBA and we'll be back in December. Still got to do all of the permits and federal law, state law, county and city ordinance and then you're coming back next month for the part going out to Floyd Avenue section. Yeah. Okay. We'll see you then. Sounds good. Now, everyone's favorite time of the meeting. Motion to adjurnn. Make a motion. Motion to adjurnn this meeting.

Second. All those in favor? I all those opposed carries unanimously. We are adjourned. Good luck with your project. Thank you all. Appreciate all the work you all are doing in in Rome greater area. I imagine that uh things coming with Trabani are only going to help. Oh, we we are um we are so thrilled that you know, not just