Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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All right. Good evening and welcome to the April 7th meeting of the city of Rome Planning Board. I'd like to call the meeting to order. Meeting is called to order. I'm your chair, Mark Espazito. We have a full board here tonight. We are your all volunteer board members. We volunteer for for this. Uh we live in the city. We want to make uh city be a better place. We love where we live. Vice Chair Joe Kandra, board members Eric Gonzalez, Britney Fumeola, and David Smith. On this side, we have Danielle Salsbury, Community and Economic Development. Jim Rizzo, Corporation Council. He's our attorney for the city. And right to my left, your right, Garrett uh Woff, Community Economic Development. Meeting is called to order. All right, moving through our agenda. Review and approve the February 3rd, 2026 City of Rome Planning Board meeting minutes.

Make a motion to approve February 3rd. Second the motion. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item two, public service announcement. Upcoming meeting dates. Next meeting is May 5th and then the next one after that is June 2nd. Typically the first Tuesday of every month. Occasionally we set the schedule in December of the prior year.

We move for like election day or something like it's around a holiday but for the most part it's yeah first Tuesday. All right. No old business. New business. We have a public hearing request by Indis Hospitality Group for a three lot minor subdivision at the intersection of Geiger Road and Hill Road. Tax ID243.0000-1-1.2. Public hearing is now called to order. Any members of the community have comments for the project? That's our first call. We have to do three calls. Second call, public hearing request. Item three on our agenda, third and final call. Any members of the community want to speak for, against, or public comments uh about the project? None heard. Made our three calls. Public hearing is closed. Next, we have items on our agenda four, five, and six. Four is a seeker review. Uh five is a subdivision review. Six is a site plan review. And I think we're waiting state comments on all of these. We have to do the seeker first. Um but if you would like to come and tell us about the project, I think you'll have to come back next month.

We're still waiting on DOT and DEC. We got and I passed along the comments we got from County Health. You brought an easel. Yeah, let's Yeah, let's do it up. Do it right. You're here. brought the easel. If you just want to grab the microphone there. Yeah, please speak into the microphone. We'll start off with uh I'll introduce myself. You might need to flip the switch there. Yeah, Danielle, do we have anyone watching online? How about that? You can pull it off. Okay, great. I usually charge money singing.

So, my name is John. I'm the vice president of development and construction for Indis Hospitality Group. We're based out of Rochester, New York. Um, we build, own, and operate uh hotels and restaurants. We have approximately 70 hotels and restaurants. We have some retail plazas as well. Um, that we run. You know, the the nice thing about our company is we don't come in, develop it, and leave. We stick around. So, I'm the same guy. If there's any issues at the place that you call and and you get me. Um, you know, we're excited for this project. We I came out here last year. I I did have some weather complaints. It was 80 mph winds last time I was here. Today it's a little better, about the same temperature, but the wind's only like 20 or 30. Um, but we're excited. I have Peter Vars uh with us from from BME Associates who's going to kind of talk about this whole project. But just as a company, we're family-owned. Um, I I work directly for the uh the the president is uh Jet Ma and um we have approximately 1,200 employees and you know, we're kind of moving this direction. We're looking in Auburn. We really love this site here in Rome. We're also in Udica and New Hartford are projects we're looking we just kind of want to, you know, we're we're not saturated, but we really want to start moving out the throughway and this seemed like some really good opportunities. Um, so here we are and uh we're happy to answer any questions you have and Peter will present this project in a little more detail.

Thank you, Jack. So yes, uh, my name is Peter Vars from BME Associates. rotate a little bit.

Um, we're the civil site engineer uh out of uh uh Penfield, New York, Rochester, New York. So, we've been working with Indis for about 10 years now, doing a lot of their site planning work. So, what I'll do this evening, if it's okay with you, knowing there's three applications before you for seeker subdivision site plan, I'm just going to do one overall if that's okay. Uh so uh as mentioned uh what we're looking what Indis is looking at doing uh is they're looking to acquire about 5.9 acres of property um from the IDA. The IDA owns about almost 72 acres in this area. So they're going to uh portion off 5.9 acres uh kind of at the western leg of Hill Road and Geer Road. that 5.9 acres. We've already been speaking with the county about creating that parcel and and working that out with um with Onidita County on filing that deed. It's going to be a deed transfer. But so let's now focus on the 5.9 acres uh that Indis is looking to acquire. So what the proposal is is, as you stated, it's a three lot minor subdivision. So the intent is to take the 5.99 acres subdivide it into three lots and each lot would then uh have its own commercial uh parcel development. It's a three structure development as you can see which would be developed in three phases. Um the proposal is for two fourstory hotels. One hotel uh closest to Hill Road would be a 91 room um four-story hotel which would be a home two brand correct John by Hilton.

By Hilton. Uh the second hotel would be a 100 room Woodr Suites Hotel which is an extended stay hotel. And then the third building here along Geiger Road would be a singlestory uh commercial building about 9900 square ft. Uh what they're looking at doing is about a third of that 3,300 square ft would be for a restaurant uh user and then the remaining 6,600 square ft would be for uh allowed commercial uses. understanding uh the code restriction on no retail being allowed, but it so it'd be a commercial building that would be developed there. Um the three lots uh lot one would be about uh just over 2 acres in size, lot two would be about 2.4 acres in size and lot three would be about 1.45 acres in size. In preparing these layouts um and configuring the lots, we have done it so it does conform with uh the zoning which is the GBSC zoning district uh for this property. So it conforms to the minimum lot area requirements being greater each lot is greater than 1 acre. Uh they have their 150 foot minimum lot width. Um we have made sure that the uh building coverage uh the code allows a maximum building coverage of 35%. These buildings are around 14%. And these uh the code requires a minimum landscape area green space of 15%. These lots range anywhere from 30 to 45% in green space.

How does that compare to other municipalities? Is that would you say it's a reasonable the 15% a 15% green space uh is low um typically uh what we have seen is uh in commercial districts is usually around 25%. Okay, you know so 15% is is is low. Yeah.

Okay. Um the only uh area or yeah I'll use that we don't comply with is the two four-story hotels. The zoning code has a maximum allowed height of 35 ft or three stories. So we do acknowledge we will have to go to the zoning board of appeals we which we would do to request an area variance. Is that right? On the I thought on a business park the plumbing board had that. There may be. Yeah, I need to go back and double check, but I believe there is a provision in the GB the Griffith base section specifically that lets the planning board through variances that aren't use variances, right?

Um but I will double check and get back to you guys tomorrow or the next day.

Okay, wonderful. Thank you. So, yes, so we are looking to do the four stories uh for a couple of reasons. uh a is it is the number of rooms that uh can be provided. The economics of it there there there is a certain number of rooms that are required to make it economically viable based on um on um number of uh uh guests each night things like that. And also why we like to go up versus out is to minimize that development footprint. Uh, and I think I'm telling you things, you know, there are fourstory structures within this district today and and they look they fit they fit in. So, we don't believe uh going with four stories here in these two instances would create anything from a visual impact or anything like that. As it relates to um the site plan itself, we are proposing a single point of access off Geer Road. Uh you're uh as you're probably familiar with access onto the Parkway on the Hill Road is restricted. Uh New York State DOT will not uh allow any additional curb cuts onto there.

Be a curb cut. Correct.

Circle. Exactly. So we've talked to them. So we did propose the entrance down here on Guyer. We submitted a sketch plan back in September and received some initial staff comments and I think it was the code enforcement office that suggested with that access that we provide two exit lanes and one entrance lane. So that's what we have done. This entrance is about 250 ft south of the roundabout which is again maximizing this traffic generation for this uh looking at the IT values. Uh combined uh the one thing about hotels is their peaks tend to be a little bit offset from general commercial type uses. uh they see their check-in, so to speak, is usually usually in the 6:00 to 900 p.m. And usually their checkout is in the 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. So, they're a little bit off the peaks, but we still looked at it as what is their peak hour generators. Total from all of this development, this was in our engineers report we submitted was showing I think 95 total trips in the morning and 105 in the evening. We have commissioned a traffic study that is being prepared and we will have that I think within the next week to submit. That will also be submitted to New York State DOT. We had consultant with consulted with DOT and they identified the intersections. They wanted us to study uh uh obviously our site entrance and I think they also wanted us to look at Hill Road and is it Brookley Road I think or Buckley

Brooks? I think there's a Brooks road.

Yeah. But they identified the intersection they wanted us to look at. So that study will become available. Getting on to the site itself. What we have done here is while we have each lot parking we've provided per the code uh based on the shared parking uh formulas that the code contains. We completed that calculation. We submitted it with our engineers report that yielded that 195 spaces would be required for a development of this nature. This site plan provides 196 spaces. In that 196 spaces, it also includes six ADA spaces and 12 EV uh parking spaces. We also acknowledge in the code the requirements for bicycle areas. Uh and we provide I think areas I I know we prov provide an area here at the commercial building and then at each hotel there's a total of three bike pad areas that have I sounds weird to say a capacity to you know park up to 12 bicycles.

Peter. Yes. Um just looking at this again novice. Yeah. Just you know an eye looking at it. It looks like there's not enough parking. Like in in your experience, you have about 200 hotel rooms, 10,000 square feet of retail. You're confident that 196 spaces is going to be good. Yeah. Projects.

And the main reason for that is is really it's it is based on the shared parking principle. Rule of thumb is for hotels, one space per room. You know, you figure everybody's driving in uh together. So with 191 rooms at peak occupancy you would be looking at 191 spaces. Usually the hotel would staff anywhere from four to six people uh per shift.

So the staffing is unique. Um just to discuss that briefly in the evening hours when everyone's there and all the parking is there. There's really nothing to do in the rooms. We don't have housekeepers because there's really nothing for them to do. When people are leaving in the morning, that's when most of our staff actually comes in other than the person that puts breakfast out and the person at the front desk. There's no other uh staff there because they really can't do anything until people leave. So that creates that exchange where your thought is right. Yeah. Like where are the employees parked? Well, we don't really have the employees there until people are leaving. And that's kind of why this why this works. What's your general occupancy percentage?

Well, you know, it it depends, but you know, hitting max occupancy is highly unusual. It's not like we hit that all the time, right? I wish we did because then I'd build plenty of parking spots, but that's just that's just not the reality. One of our highest producing hotels, we average about 80% occupancy in a municipality municipal area like this. I know larger areas traveling for work. A lot of people now are not getting rental cars. They're they Uber. Sure. Yep. Absolutely. You're 100% right.

Instead of getting cars, so I mean in a market like this, are you more likely to see We're across the gambit and we pretty much, you know, uh, Peter's team develops all of our hotels and we're down in the southern tier in very rural areas down in Hornell, uh, Olean, Springville, Wellsville, some of the smaller. Then we're in downtown Rochester. Um, and we apply the same principles in all the same places. Okay. If that if that kind of helps make you comfortable with it. If you see a risk in having only one entry and exit, I think you'll be fine because you're going to go it's geer and then you're going to hit the circle. So, I don't think traffic's going to back up too far down Geer. It'd be easy to make a left out of there. There's not going to be a lot of traffic, you know. Correct. M making that.

Yeah. We don't we don't anticipate any stacking issues or queuing issues. Uh usually when you have a single point of access, your concern is emergency access. That's or you get an accident there, nobody can get in or out.

That's right. So one of the things that is actually one of the benefits and I believe could be part of code enforcement suggestion is if widening that intersection is in the event that there is an accident there um with the wider uh pavement width the throat width it does give you some additional room to maneuver if necessary. Um, while that could be a conflict point, the the the other part is that once you get in, the site has been laid out that there's an exterior circulation pattern and an interior circulation pattern. In other words, if there is a response to either one of these hotels that requires the aerial ladder, truck or whatever, everything else is still there's still going to be a means for people to circulate if you have to evacuate or bring in other assets or whatever.

They have the rail around backs. That's a hard rightway. You got the right the state road on the other side. And then what's along that tree line along Yeah. What's over there? There's uh there's an existing office building here and parking. It really So it is. Yeah. The only frontage we have is really that 250 ft on Guyer. That is correct. Um unless you were to work something out with that other Right. Did he Did Rome fire give a response? Um I've circulated it to the department. I haven't heard anything back from them. I'm going to follow up with them um before the next meeting to make sure that they don't have any concerns.

Yeah. And that actually leads into the next thing I was going to cover which is given the fourstory height. So two things we've done that we provided in our engineers report is first of all we did do a what we call a turning template analysis. it is where we were using a the 100 foot aerial truck basically driving it through to show that the radiuses work that that truck can navigate this. And we also provided um 26 foot wide fire lanes adjacent to each of the fourstory structures so that that meets their uh the building and fire code requirement of where they could set up the aerial truck. So

that turn too you're saying that the 100 foot aerial truck will make that turn. Yeah. And we it is probably because of the scale of that this is drawn in um that that's probably if you're talking right at the very top right up here, right? Yeah. That inside radius is probably 35 feet where the exterior race radius therefore would be about um 60 feet would be the exterior. So it's almost if you think about a a culdesac, it's it's really kind of the outer rim of a culde-sac. Okay. And how wide and how many two lanes wide? Oh, yeah. That's um that's 26 feet wide. We have it. So, we have it as a fire lane. Yep.

There's a car coming still get by.

That's right. Or it's also room if they need to set up where they can get the outriggers out and things like that. Um so, and then just the final thing on the parking as we've talked about the the hotel demand, the the commercial demand will obviously be off peak to the hotel. uh obviously this will have a daytime demand uh for its operations for parking. The other component about uh traffic is pedestrian um mobility. So uh what we see here on the site plan is sidewalks around each structure and then interconnecting each structure to the other and then also which came in with the sketch plan review and as part of the code we are proposing connections uh out to the existing sidewalk along Hill Road and then we will also be extending the sidewalk along our frontage on Guyer Road. So in essence, the property's frontage then will be have sidewalk along all of its public ways.

Okay. We like the mixuse trails. Yeah. The multi bicycles. Yeah. The intent along Guyer would it would mimic what's um along Hill Road today. We would just keep uh extending that. With regards to I guess uh some of the engineering aspects uh we will serve the site with uh public water and public sanitary sewer. We've uh been working with public works on flow tests with the water system out here and have run our analysis and calculations on that. Same thing with uh sanitary sewer ex uh there is actually a stub that comes onto the property an 8 in stub. We'll just be extending from that.

So that do you know where those come in to the property? Yes, they come in right about in this area here. So that's good. They're not by your driveway. So correct do work on those. They're not going to block your

correct. That's right. Yeah. Both the utilities will come in off of Hill Road. Okay. As it relates to storm water management, obviously we're taking what is an existing well former redeveloped area, whatever you want to call it, but turning it into this additional imperous area. We've developed a storm water management plan uh that's been prepared per the New York State DEEC guidelines. Uh that storm water pollution prevention plan or SWIP will be submitted to the city within the next week be submitted with the traffic study. Also the drainage out here each lot will really have its own drainage system. Everything will be underground. Uh we'll use chamber systems that will collect the storm water. Uh I don't know if you've been out to the site in the last few months, uh but there's a lot of orange or pink flags out there because we did do our geotechnical study out there and as part of that we did infiltration testing. The soils out there are very permeable. In other words, they'll promote storm water getting it into the ground and percolating into the ground. That'll be the main tenant of the design for all three areas for those to go into those chambers to infiltrate. But they will have um overflow pipes in the event if the the chambers were to fail or for whatever reason that there is a discharge out of those and all that's documented uh in in the SWIP. With regards to um lighting, the parking lot will be lighted. We've provided a lighting plan in our package. uh LED fixtures, dark sky compliant, 16 foot pole heights, mounting heights, so they won't be uh enormously tall in any way. Uh and they will provide uh a minimum 1 ft candle uh into the interior of the property. Landscaping, we propose landscaping uh throughout the property along the perimeters, but also interior, breaking

up the larger parking fields with landscape islands. comment we did receive uh two weeks or so ago is was acknowledging the need or requirement for the additional plantings required uh by code I think it's one per 30 feet Garrett correct and we will comply with that so we will update our plan accordingly uh for that uh to to comply with that uh last couple of things uh we talked about phasing uh the intent is lot one the first hotel they would like to break ground um late 2026, first part of 2027. So, this hotel would be a 2027 construction, then to be followed a year later by uh lot 2, hotel 2, and then the commercial area. So, it' be a basically uh the three phases of development over the next uh 3 to 5 years. Okay. Uh finally um seeker as it's mentioned we know uh the planning board would declare their intent to be lead agency and has initiated uh a coordinated review. We provided the environmental assessment form the environmental assessment form and going through that and filling that out checking it against the DEC EAF workbooks. Uh this project doesn't cross any thresholds to large uh to large impacts. most of them are small to moderate and through mitigation whether it's the storm water design providing landscaping we feel we're addressing any potential impacts out there but as it's acknowledged uh we're still waiting for comments from a couple of entities um with that that's kind of summarizes everything um I guess we did provide architecturals for um just to give you a sense of the home to the wood springs and then the commercial building. Uh it was in the comments about uh providing more uh you

know additional detailed information. Uh John and the indis team have uh I I'll say let their architects loose uh to get those. So we'll be providing that information also. And as part of that architectural information, we'll also be providing um the sign package information for each property um acknowledging the code requirements on that too. Our intent would be to comply with that. So with that, John or I could answer any questions. The retail space looks like three. You're planning on three. What do you think other than a a restaurant? What type of restaurant would you see there?

Well, if you look at we have a development on Hamilton Street in Geneva. It's two hotels and it has a uh we have a strip plaza in there. We have um actually we own and operate a farmtotable restaurant in there. We also have a it's called the collective. It's a brand new um like wine tasting you know spirits store. We also have an investment firm in there Edward Jones and RC Shaheen. So those are all you know good long-term tenants. And we would basically you know if the ball the board would indulge us you know it could be two stores in that front. It could be four stores in the front just depending what the uses are. you know, we've looked at the the development that's close by, which is spectacular. Um, you know, we really like that development and I see they have some empty retail space. So, we wouldn't be in a hurry to build something

city loft that that's exactly what I was thinking.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to start building something and say like just have a vacant building sitting there because I think it it does nothing for the municipality. So, we're in not a big rush to build that. But, if we have, you know, and we look for good long-term tenants. We are not uh we don't have vape shops. We don't have anything like that. Nothing against vaping or anything like that. That's just not what what we do. Um, but like I said, you look at our pl our other retail plaza we have in the town of Greece. Uh, we have Starbucks, we have AAA, and then we have a company called Lumos, which is an infrared spa. People go in there and they get infrared for 45 minutes. You should try it. It's amazing. Um, but those are the type of businesses we try to get into those plazas. And like I said, we don't just build the plaza and wait. We will advertise, build the suit kind of a thing. And then we kind of build appropriately. We may have to revisit your team to make sure you guys are comfortable with what we're doing, but that's kind of what we do with those retail plazas.

Yeah, that's fair. I was going to point out that the retail space at Air City, so you've already Yep. We saw that. So, it's great looking space, but you know, eventually um you know, if if we have an opportunity, we will definitely build it. That's why we kind of have that as our third priority. The hotels, we know there's a need for those. You know, there's studies that are done above my pay grade that say this a great place to put hotels. Um Yeah, it's, you know, I work out at the business park and it's hard to get a hotel room. Yeah. So, obviously, and it's especially at like a government pdium rate. Yeah. Right. Y difference about his occupancy is different people. Yeah.

Versus a tenant space that's the same person. So, if you're getting some type of reown, it might work better. Yeah, it it certainly could. Um, like I said, we have a a wonderful experience in in Geneva, um, where we have a Holiday on Express and a Microel and then the the retail plaza similar footprint to this. We did something up that way close to that store, pumpkin store. Yeah. Right on five and 20 there. Yeah. Yep. Just up the street for two years. Yeah. Yeah. It's something I I can relate to that. Um, so I see you got signage on the building. Are you going to have any freestanding signs like by the roll?

What what we saw and you know we want to you know be consistent with the neighborhood is we looked at what the Hampton and has and um the Mar the Fairfield and they have monument signs which we're comfortable with. It seems like it fits the neighborhood. I think they're exterior not interior lit right signs on this. Yes, I believe so. Yes.

I think that's in the the Griffith business the code that you have to follow. you know, the building really is your is your, you know, your sign. You know, the monument signs, I think, just accentuate the property a little bit. The Hampton sign that, you know, we took a look at um besides Walking Man on Google Earth. Uh, you know, we drove by them today. They look sharp and and they look um, you know, I I I think they look a little classier than the, you know, if you're near an expressway or throughway, you almost have to have a pylon sign. People have to see it. Um, but in this circumstance, if you miss those buildings when you're going around the circle, you probably shouldn't be driving. Right. So, you're going to give us some detail about that?

Yeah, absolutely. When um when we return next month, we will have a signed package to show you. Um it's going to be one for like all the tenants like one big one or separate areas.

Um our thoughts would be uh given that it's there's three lots that each lot would have its own monument sign for each tenant. So, um, so we would have a sign out in this area, uh, for the home, too, and likely a sign. The site plan actually shows, uh, a the monument signs down here for this lot and this lot. And I think yes, and that's the monument sign. So, those are on the site plan now where we showed probable locations. Okay.

So, one more question. Yeah. three. What's the reason behind separating all three and not combining the um stance or Yeah, it's from a financing standpoint is actually once it's all built, you put it on one.

No. Uh what we'll do that like I said uh because it's from a financing standpoint that each uh building has its own uh property. There will the property it's one thing I did not uh cover. uh the property will have a reciprocal easement agreement across it such that access and parking is shared. In other words, there's going to be, you know, if you're at the Wood Springs, doesn't mean you can't park off the lot, per se, because the the parking will be shared. But, uh the the main purpose for the subdivision is for financing purposes. And then the utility,

same thing, right? Mhm. Yeah. Each each building will have its own service sanitary and water. Uh each building uh will have its own backflow device and meter for the water systems. We'll do those internal in the building saying believe the county health department already commented on that. We're fully aware of that. Uh so they really will be able to act independently. I mean the only reason why I asked y there was a big complex up there and then they started selling pieces of it all. Right. became a big problem. Yes. It's been a dangle but still is. Yeah. It can be if it's not planned in upfront and this

exactly because typically what we will do is the reciprocal easement agreement is usually provided to council for them to review to be sure that the that it's everything we say it's supposed to be doing. Thanks. Sure. As we talked about the parking I think I they also talk about earlier 5.9 acres 200 rooms 10,000 square feet. Yeah that's that you do that it works that size. So on your phases of building you're going to build your first hotel you do all the site work and parking

likely what what we will do is the site will get prepped overall. Um, in other words, we won't put the parking in phase two as we build the hotel one, but the site will be graded off such that we get all the heavy earth moving, heavy equipment work done so that when hotel one is up and occupied and operating. We don't have a lot of big machinery moving around. Yes, there will be uh equipment there to build the hotel, but it'll be able to confine it onto its space. So, there'll be parking for the hotel.

Yes. So yes, that's I see what you're saying. We'll be sure as uh that each hotel when hotel one's built that the parking provided complies with the code requirement for that hotel. In other words, 91 um rooms. Code requires one space per room. So there would definitely be a minimum of 91 spaces installed with phase one. Yep. In terms of in terms of phasing, I think we would also encourage doing as much of the landscaping early on as possible because it lets trees grow in without a doubt because the sooner you can plan them, the better.

Just one question. You said three to five years kind of overall all three phases. Um, but with the timeline of all the new developments coming to that area, do you foresee that? Do you have in your plan like escalated timelines for capitalizing on if other projects are completed to that could help your business? I guess I need to understand your question a little bit better. Are you talking about within our company or just in within the area just the development of the property let's say other other buildings and other businesses that are coming to the that could help with

right you know we we try to um stay within our within our defined schedule. you know, we're we're developing, you know, quite a bit. We're we're not a humongous company, but we try not to bite off more than we could chew because you end up with issues. Um, which we don't because we kind of hold to our timelines, right? This we're not going to knock this out in 12 months because demand says if it's going to take 16 months, we're going to be here for the duration. We've never sold a hotel that he's built. He built his first hotel as a very young man um in Springville in 2001 and we just reinvested almost $2 million to bring that up to the new uh Windham standard. Um so we don't sell them. So we make sure they get done the first time right. Um we don't really give into impulse. You know, we want to do it right. We've got a kind of wash, rinse, dry, repeat kind of process. So when we said, you know, we probably want to break ground, you know, March of 27th, providing the weather is is kind. And if we can get to where we're doing FF& and stuff in the spring of the next year, you know, fitting the hotel out, we can move our construction crew over and I'm comfortable doing that. Um, but a lot of it's weather dependent and, you know, sometimes it's supply and chain dependent and every other every other curveball we can get, we get. Um, but we roll with them. And you know, a hotel like the the H2 there, we probably would internally say 14 months, but we would tell you guys it could be 16 months, right? Um, and I know you guys aren't like, "Well, get it open, get it open, get it open." But we just like to be transparent and we like to underpromise, hopefully overd deliver, you know, that's kind of our our our process.

Yep. Any other questions? Excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time today. appreciate that. I guess we'll see you next month hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Um All right. So now you're going to have more electric pump systems or gas. So the guest rings will have tags which are electric. Um and then the common spaces um in the woodring the common space is different than the H2 but we can you know if you guys want a little share

I'm just curious not there'll be there'll be some natural gas yeah it's um the woodr like corners are heated by the rooms and then there is there is a regular furnace for the common are so H2 I don't I don't know why pretty sure it's similar But I haven't really I haven't built an H yet. So this be our first one. So they just have the uh air to air. Each room has uh you know thermostat um you know they're all friendly. They're all motion sensors now like a mini split basically.

It's kind of like mini split. It's you know every hotel room used to go to the old days but it sit on the wall thermostat now and some of the buildings you can actually control off your phone now but you still have the unit kind of outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a standard venting out to the Yeah. Thank you. All right. All right. So, uh item four. We have motion uh table. I make a motion to table item four. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item five, subdivision review. Motion to table.

Second the motion. All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Site plan review. I make I make a motion to table item six. Second. All those in favor? I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Motion to adjurnn. I make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor? I. And he want