City Meeting - Regular Meeting

Call the meeting in order. Uh stand for the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Roll call. Jason Waller is the only counselor missing. Um, I'm going to I want to make a statement before we start the meeting tonight. Um, this the meeting from April 8th got a little bit out of control. Um, so what I'd like to say, we moved the public comment to the video portion, uh, because of the personal stuff that was going on in the public comment prior. Um, the ask is that we keep the public comment constructive, uh, not make it personal, and I also ask the counselors not to make their attacks personal on staff or each other. Um the public the staff is directed by the council to do their job and if the citizens don't like what the staff are doing, don't blame them. You got to come to one of us because we're the ones that have to make the changes. So the ask is let's just be respectful of everybody and be constructive. So with that, I will open up to public comment. Um, please step to the podium, say your name and address. You're limited to three minutes. Yeah, it's John Lutkin. Uh, 25743 Hilltop Court. And I still have issues

that has gone on with the fire department for the past 3 years with Mr. Herbert and Mr. Stanganger. I have it right here in writing that was written up that the residents of this town paid a lawyer to have a remnant of understanding that you two were supposed to stay away from the fire department. I'm not personally attacking Brian. I'm letting him know that he definitely overstepped his boundaries and did illegal things. You tried to tell me after you got this letter, the lawyer told you something different after that.

That is true. And I'm not going to respond any more than that.

Yep. Well, once again, I'm surprised you're still up there. I I you're disgrace to me as a resident being up there on the council. And when you get this letter that the residents paid to have this written up and then you turn around within 6 months and disobey it, you know, you've cost the residents 30 plus,000 for absolutely nothing. I I think the resident should know this. At a minimum, I think he should be censored. I want the council to at least look into that. There's no reason why he needs to operate that way. And the comments that were made by the other guy in here this weekend or whenever it was is totally uncalled for. I mean, you two did something wrong. You You can sit up there and say, "No, but I'm not delusional. That's why I brought the letter here, so you know I have it. I can't believe we'd pay a lawyer to write something up and then turn around and tell you something different after that. I don't believe it. Thank you.

Thanks, John.

Any anyone else for public comment? and Phillip, Post Office Box 86 of Rockville. Um, if I understood you a little while ago, you said if a resident has a concern that the city needs to question our retained lawyer, correct? We have a retained lawyer for the city. Anyway, that's my understanding. Is there someone that you use that's on I know whatever term you use. I'm a city attorney. Yes.

Okay. All right. So if you had that, does he he I believe would be getting paid. So why would we need to pay more money for that if we were the person asking the question of you and then you had to go to your lawyer to get answers? We pay our taxes and our taxes go to support this city. Also, if you as a councilman would go to the lawyer with the question, would you also have to pay if that's what you're if that's what I understood was being stated earlier? You can respond to that whenever, but that's a concern. Also, I have a copy of the work resolve mediation that was done recently. I've read through it. I think all of I'm sure I would hope all of you have read through it as well. you probably have a copy already and I just think would like everybody in the city to read through it. Um, so this is being televised. I'm just asking everybody to get a copy and take a look at it and see what it says and make um make some decisions on your own. Um, the other thing is why was our administrator's contract not renewed? She was doing a good job. She was always pleasant. She dealt with people in a respective manner, respectful manner. Um, is and I would like an answer from each one of you council members tonight why you didn't renew her contract. And I think I deserve that. I'm a city taxpayer. I paid for her salary. Um, I assuming I'm paying for what stipend you're getting and anybody else that works for the city. So, I think I deserve an answer to that. And in my own mind, is it because she followed rules you didn't like she followed? Is it

because she followed up on things and was very thorough? What is the reasoning? Why is she no longer our administrator? Why did you not renew her contract? Thank you.

Thanks, Ed. Anyone else for public comment? Going once. I'm Jerry Tipult 12318 235th Street. As a council, unfortunately, sometimes you have to make some decisions that aren't real popular. And with all the privacy laws, it's another unfortunate thing. You can't answer the questions that a lot of people want answered. Uh but when you have an individual uh hire people or spend taxpayer money without council knowledge, somebody has to be held accountable. And basically that's what was done. Unfortunately, it was done to undermine and disrupt the fire department, which raises some hair on my back about that because the fire department is very vital part of this city. Without the fire department, uh we have nothing. These guys respond to problems when we have them. and I think it's up to the city to stand up for them uh in this situation. So, uh as a council, you're in a rock in a hard spot, but uh I think it takes someone I was involved with a lot of it. I know there was a lot of things done without council approval and uh

it was uh not things that should have been. So, uh, I try to explain as much as I can without, uh, getting personal, but, uh, the public has to understand that sometimes as a council, you have to act on things and you have to keep it, uh, private. So, I think you did the right thing and hopefully the fire department will be protected and we can move on. Thank you.

Thanks, Jerry. Anyone else for public comment? And Phil, Box 86, Rockville, Minnesota. If the administrator was doing something wrong, how long had she been our administrator? 2, 3 years? I don't recall for sure. Why wasn't she fired? Why did you wait till now when her contract's due to be renewed? Why wait till now if this was an issue as Mr. Tipple pointed out? Why didn't you fire her a long time ago?

Thank you. Thanks.

Anyone else for public comment? Going once. Going twice. going three times. We're going to close the public comment and we're going to we have some additions to the agenda action items. 11F, Charles Hansen. 11 G, third party notification. 11H, Committee actions. 11 I data requests. 11J, water meter at the 400 Club, and 11K um recruitment service. I'll make a motion to accept the agenda with the one, two, three, four, five, six additions.

Okay. And one more. I'm sorry. The minutes from the uh April 29th meeting to incorporate them. Yes. I friendly amendment to add that as well. I'll second. Okay. Motion a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. Any days? Motion carries. Okay. Resolution accept of the donations. And I got to get back to that. I make a motion to accept resolution 2026-17. And I'll second that. $500 from Shields and $2,400 from Morocco Lions Club.

Okay. Motion a second. Any further discussion on the donations? And all of those going to the fire department. Fire to the fire relief. Correct. Fire department. Fire department. Okay. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Hearing none. Motion carries. Okay. Approval of the bills paid. April bills paid. I'll make a motion to approve all April 2026 bills paid. I'll second. A motion. A second on that. Any further discussion hearing? None. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. I.

I'd like to record to show that I abstain from check 24198.

Thank you, Brian. All right. Uh, consent agenda. Approval of the Rockville City Council minutes from April 8th and April 29th. Acknowledgement of building permits, the sheriff's report, month end reconciliation, uh approval of annual liquor license renewal, uh pyrochnic display at Pleasant Lake on July 3rd, and the approval of special events for the Hideaway Bar. And there's five evenings for that. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second that.

I have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Sorry. I um the hideway the special event, they want um the approval for five, but if for some reason they need to postpone it due to weather, they're just wanting to um get approval that they could just pick another date and not come back to the club. So, I'm fine with that. I'm I'm good with that. That's fine. I was going to say in the past that's what we had done. We gave them five approvals and it for some reason when the date didn't work out because of weather or whatever it may be or

I think as long as I just notify you guys down here, that should be fine. That's fine. Yeah. Okay. Motion motion a second. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. Any nays? Motion carries. All right. Uh, department report Sterns County Sheriff.

Uh, I emailed the report I believe on the 1st of May of all the April numbers. Uh, we had 37 total contract hours, total of 71 calls for service that month, including 24 traffic stops. Um, I know I did receive a call from Dan, I believe, with the city about a dumping complaint. Uh, I got that message off to the day patrol sergeant that day and they did take a take a look at that and got that taken care of, I believe, or at least resolved as best as they could. Any questions on any of the calls? I don't have my computer to get dig into it, but seemed like a pretty straightforward month. Good. Thank you. All right. Uh, Cody,

good evening, Mayor and Council. Um just uh two updates on our end. Um the first uh update is for the Lake Road improvement project. Uh that project is officially uploaded for bidding as of last Friday. Uh we're looking at uh opening those bids, I believe, on May 27th, so right after Memorial Day. So we plan to review those bids and then bring them to council in June. Hopefully that goes well and we can proceed with that project finally. Um the other update is for the beach road culvert project. Um I believe before the last council meeting we uh brought to council that we've been trying to push the DNR to go back to the original project which was that smaller, cheaper design. Um they finally responded back to us that they have been receiving contact from the FEMA about other projects that they are dealing with and they asked us to wait and keep waiting basically. So our response back is going to be we're currently in the process of getting lead times for the original project design and the current project design. how long it's going to take to actually get that material and then obviously build the project so we can basically backdate it to get a deadline to both FEMA and the DNR of when we need answers by um in order to complete this year. And that's going to be our final hard push of exactly when we need answers. Otherwise, we're not going to be able to get finalized even this year because it's already in May.

Well, that's the sad part. It's their bureaucratic BS that's putting us in a hot spot and we can't do anything about it. Absolutely nothing. This is our next attempt. If we go ahead and do something, then we're um susceptible for fines and penalties and and whatever else. So, I mean, it we're in a no-win situation. And I hope everybody out there that's listening or even in the audience understands the dilemma that we're in because it's not pretty. This is Well, this is year number three, right? Mhm. That that's been open. Yeah. It's over little over two years now. Yeah. So, is there Cody? Is there or This is the third summer. Yeah, this will be the third summer.

So, is there something we should be doing proactively from a safety standpoint out there right now?

I drove it on the way here and it looks like the same it was last summer for the most part, but it's still not ideal. We're done with one lane and we still have the barricades and everything covering the hole. We went and look at the snap pictures of it. Uh the spring again hasn't moved since the last time it sank. There is only one section that's about 10 ft long that's still intact. The one that's collapsed. If that does go, then we're going to have an issue where it's going to wash out probably the whole road because it'll actually block the whole river and it's going to go around. Okay. Well, you'll keep us informed on that, Cody, as well. Absolutely. Y

Thank you. That's it. Thank you very much.

Um, Bill, planning commission, uh, planning commission, uh, city council, we had our our subcommittee meet on the short-term rental. Um, we had lots of good discussion. Uh what it came down to was a recommendation to the council that we prohibit any uh short-term rentals. Uh we did have a couple questions for our legal which uh they just he just got back uh to us. So I'm just going to read this to you. Um it is possible for the city to prohibit short-term rentals. I suggest that the council adopt specific findings as part of any ordinance change. uh I can draft a new ordinance prohibiting them and make effective at any date in the future. Um if you have any uh IUPs expiring, you may want to put that in effect if we want to do away with them or if we want to keep them until they change hands or change names. Those are the only two ifs, but they're recommending to not have any at all anymore.

That's the committee.

Yep. And Ashley and Mark were there. So, if you have any comments and I think part of the the subcommittee that we put together is I took Jason's place because he was out of town. So, I think in that conversation, short-term rentals, we we don't have a fee structure for short-term rentals, and we really need to have a fee structure because it is taking up some time for the city staff to have. Um, and then there was some language that didn't follow through on the recommended ordinance back in 2019, right? that the the minimum 7-day rental. That was a big that was a big thing in that original clause that some people wanted done and that did not get adopted in our current ordinance. So, it was a majority did not want it anymore because we don't have the fees. It would just be easier not to have them. But, it's up to the council. Do we grandfather the two that we have and no more and change that to a seven night minimum or do we just stop them all together?

I think did recommend that we be consistent with both of them

the exact same way. Correct. I think the biggest part of the discussion um that made an impact to me is that we I think everyone kind of is on this fence. They can go one way or the other to have them or don't. But if we do have them, there was a lot of talk, well, we're going to restrict how many we can have because we don't want it to turn into a larger thing. And to me that that's another gray line because how does that become fair? If you only allow one or two per lake, those one or two people get that for as long as they want. And I don't think that's fair to all of the residents. And so it ended basically as it not being a huge benefit to the city to also even have just one or two for how much work we have to put into it for them to operate. It doesn't um financially make sense for the city to do it. So that's where the it came up that we were kind of all just decided to put a put a stop to it until it would actually be a benefit for a benefit and fairness. So So I'm looking for a recommendation to do you want to stop them? Do you want to continue them with restrictions or added the the 7-day or 7-day minimum or

both Bill? So, what you're saying is if if we if we're going to stop them, we need to stop both of them, right? Yes. Not just one. Correct. or or let them run or let them run until they shut down or sell or whatever. We and we've talked about it. We really haven't had any complaints. Um but we need to be consistent with both of them. I guess I I would be comfortable letting the two run until they either quit or sell.

Okay. um let them operate as they've been. Um I don't know if the city wants to look at coming up with some um licensing fee for them. I mean, we certainly can can look at that. Um just to piggyback a little bit on on you actually, I get what you're saying on how many you want to allow if we would go down that route. The city is limited to how many um liquor license we can have, right? I think we can have four in this city. Five. So there there is limits on other businesses too. So we could do something like that. I know and I know that's getting if we were going to do something in that line. So we can put other restrictions on. But um I just think we should let the two that are there. They're running. They're up and going. They've got people lined up to come and rent. I just it'd be sinful to shut them down.

So, as part of your motion, would you want to change that to a 7-day minimum as well? I'm not going to put that in my motion. Okay. Because we don't have that on the one. And why would you put it on the other one? Okay. Just to be consistent. Yep. No, I I hear I'm with you. It would have to go if you made that if you added that to the motion, we'd have to make it forward. Right. That's and and I just think it's going to create more problems than it's worth.

Okay. So, we have a motion to continue the operation at this this time and let them exist. Is there a second? Just a friendly comment. If this doesn't prevail, I think we should maybe table this until Jason is here so Jason can have his opinion on this table because I think it's important. I I I don't disagree. You want you want to table it until Jason's back? Um I'm willing to do that.

Okay, then let's let's table the motion. Just kill the motion and we'll table it until next month.

I agree with that. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you, Bill. Uh Jim did not make it for the finance committee update. Well, there was really nothing to update this month from his from his standpoint. Okay. So, on the committees, they're looking for some direction um to go to meet quarterly or meet more often. the finance committee. My my ask is quarterly meetings at a minimum, but my other ask is I'd like I'd like them to be working on future stuff in January, February, March. Um i.e. uh looking at at some point we're going have to change put new roofs on buildings. Look at look at the future projects and what that looks like from a budget standpoint. It really in it really would not include staff per se, but it's something that they could work on or give that direction with with in conjunction with our tunnel. I think it's I think it's something that we should be looking at be more proactive than reactive. I mean, there's so many times we're looking at fixing things because it's an issue rather than if we plan for it and have the money there.

That was that's the goal is let's and so I I think that's that's a way better approach in my opinion. I think the way the meeting was ran, you know, this last meeting where all the committees came in and talked about what their kind of what they wanted was a great idea and I think it should be done earlier in the year that it can be worked through throughout the whole year. So that that would be something we include our talk with as well because that those two groups would have to work together a little bit on some of that future planning as well. I think it would be a good idea

because it really wouldn't it Barry wouldn't even have to be at the art if they had a joint meeting where they were just looking at future projects. They could make that list up and then help Barry execute looking at what that would cost. I mean, right, Barry? Yeah. Yeah. Unless they need me to open something or look at different things. Yeah. But that would be on a dayto-day. I think

we want to we want to utilize the committees to to maximum benefit but not put additional burden on the staff as well. Correct. So, and I think we went a little bit too long for the finance. I think this last time cuz it was last time was October that we met and then we didn't beat until last month. So just this month was it May? Mhm. It was May. You're right. I'm sorry. It was May until this month. So they're just looking for we have to give them some direction. So that's that is the ask. Do we want to give that direction or stick with the quarterly meetings?

Just a question to Judy. So when is the audit crunch? When does that start? Well, I I start preparing it in January. So January through April and then we normally do the audit in April. So So there is going to be some some time in there where staff is going to be preoccupied on other stuff to try to get information out. Well, I too. So, if we could maybe have a couple meetings instead of every month might be a benefit to staff and for the cuz now they went like you said from October to May

October or whatever it was to May. I mean that's what five months, six months. Yeah. And I would argue that that some of you know with with audit coming and Judy's busy with that kind of stuff that they could actually meet without staff being there. You maybe Barry as part of the art could be meet together with them but they're really not looking at finances at this point because we don't have anything really to look at. I I think it would be benefit beneficial for staff to be there for one clerk in that meeting and just just for oversight purposes. Okay?

Cuz otherwise there'll be decisions made or what they thought made and and if they don't get conveyed back to staff then there's a void there and then that creates a communication gap. So I think staff should be part of that throughout the process. So we do we want to add monthly meetings or just add a few in January add a few in there would be better than what we've had and do we need a motion Judy for this as well or no I think we just need to go back to um letting the finance know what the direction is.

Okay. And again, we we started off with these committees way back when and you know, we didn't know what the direction was. A lot of times if it was basically finance was going to figure out budgeting, you know, where where our taxes are being spent. Now you guys are showing a different direction for them. So, you know, we got to look back. Just because we didn't have a meeting since October doesn't mean we didn't know what your directions were. So, now we got to look at it now. I mean, what is the direction that the council wants us to do? So, let's not go back to why didn't we have a meeting in January, February, March when we didn't know the direction, right? We didn't know what needs

ex Yeah. No, ex I misspoke there. Yeah, you're right. You're right, Judy. That's We just have to give them direction.

I think we're getting off track a little bit. Um, my whole reasoning behind wanting these quarterly meetings was not to put so much pressure on the finance committee when we are looking at our budget because what happened this past year is that we had a bunch of meetings in a short period of time and it took everyone a long time to understand what was what was happening. Um, our meeting this past a couple weeks ago was great because we were able to meet with all the city staff. they got to tell us updates about there was so many questions that came up that they they were understanding the budget in a different way than the council versus our finance committee and that was great communication and I think that has to continue to happen and I think quarterly is the best way to do that. So, I'm not saying that the finance committee only meets quarterly, but at minimum, we should be meeting quarterly with the city and the staff and make sure everyone's needs are being met and we know what's going on. I mean, that's our main that's our main job up here is to know where the finances are and spend spend the tax base accordingly. So, if we don't know that, it's hard to make decisions.

I don't think you need to have I mean, finance I agree. I think it has to be quarterly for sure, but then you have those how many months that they're crunching to get the budget back into, you know, before it has to go out. And I think if we did do the quarterly and then start in, you know, that April May area where they start really looking where is the budget's going to be where everyone came together this last month and kind of said this is what my look is. It kind of got it out there and let people know already the finance and the departments already started looking at their departments and their needs. So, I think that was a great way of looking at what everyone needed or felt they needed. And now they can move forward from that because now they can start looking at a little more. Okay, you want this, this, and this. Let's see how much is that really going to cost you. You may say, I'm going to budget 40,000 every year for this. But what is it really in the end if you're thinking in three years you're going to get it? I mean, so I agree. I think we need to have that quarterly, but I think we need to have an extra one occasionally when there's enough to be discussed when even if a you know a department says Barry came and said hey I want to look at starting of next year I want to buy this and this if possible I think we need to know that really here in May that we can start budgeting it now that we know that in February March he's going to want to buy a piece of equipment I don't think we should wait till you know October November to make that decision for him for February we may not have the money so I mean I agree quarterly We need to, but I think we also need to fit in a few extra meetings in there just to see what the departments are really thinking seriously for their next year or their next three years.

Yeah. And I think what you're talking about, Mark, is naturally going to happen because sitting going to all the different committee meetings, etc. That finance committee really brought the whole the whole picture into play where where we don't get that without it. So it just I think it just benefits everyone all all the way around. So leave just leave the finance at quarterly meetings and if they need to have another meeting for a special circumstance we can bring that forward well between the liaison and the chair. Correct.

They can coordinate and with the finance director and if they need another meeting they can have another meeting. You know, if you guys talk far enough in advance, you can get one schedules fast enough, right, Judy? It plans in with, you know, schedules and whatnot.

Mark, if I wasn't I'm not mistaken. So, like when we were talking, you were kind of mentioning like let's say in January, he would the finance would sit down with let's say Artub and Barry to kind of go over what is their future for potentially that year. Um so that Barry and the Artub would be able to put that in the budget for in July August. Um and then you jump to February and you would have let's say the park park and rack. So it' be the layon in the park and rack would come in front of the finance versus having every all three of them or all five of them sitting in at one time. Well, and it doesn't make the meeting that long. So you kind of do it the three months

this way. Then you get to the quarter with the finance kind of go over the discussion of what have been done the last three months plus look out for the future. I think that's sort of that was more my thank you Judy for that was looking more for the future I guess is and may just do one meeting in January for with art and finance together and look look for future projects that we could start budgeting for. Yeah. Okay. I'm good with that. Clear as mud. Yeah, we made a long way to get there, Brian.

Okay. Um directions on the review of the savings account, saving account policy. What what do we want to do there to

So, it's basically are you guys um wanting to keep the savings account as is or were we talking about potentially changing it? Um we kind of mentioned something about doing let's say the budget is or let's say you have um under repairs and operation you have $1,000 left. Well, half of it's going to stay in the general fund. Half of it's actually going to go into that department's savings. So, if you wanted potentially have the finance reook at the the actual savings account policy then we need direction from you guys. Yes, please.

I would say I agree with that. I think it needs to be relooked at how that savings is set up. Um I agree that you know we want our general to be up here and you know if all this money is just sitting there waiting for us to spend it two years from now it's not helping us in other ways you know but I agree. I think we need to look at that policy on how we're saving and you know cuz like you said before it's easy to be able to move back to where it is if we keep track on you know where that money is and who's going to get it. It's just not going to be in their personal little savings account if that makes sense. You know,

the next item would be is do you guys want them to break it down? And I'm just going to throw fire department because they have like the AEDs, their um personal protective. Do you want that to be broken down versus taking whatever the remaining portion of that budget and putting it just in like the truck one? Um we still have the issue with park rep. We have different um categories for that. Barry right now only has just the trucks um and buildings I believe. But

yeah, and I think what we talked about you and I and Barry just putting out if if you're going to replace something in 10 years, what does that what does that bucket look like so that we're we're not borrowing money in the future. We we can take a smaller slice of the budget and put in that bucket for future use. And I talking about the fire department about replacing their equipment because it's got expiration dates. They need to tell us what bucket there is because I think that it's all being rolled up into one bucket. And that's just a it's just another line on the budget is all we need to do. So it's real simple to do, but that just protects their budget for the future as well. And the other thing like they made the comment too and I think all the departments kind of had the same feeling that this council is going to be gone in five years. We don't know you know he may want to retire someday. No you're not Judy but anyways um you know those are things that we have to look at that you know whoever comes on behind us are they going to realize that oh this savings account is for the fire department to use on all this stuff. It's you know that we've already figured it out that this is what they want. Same with you know you know the PW you know Barry's already said this is what I want. So I mean if we are all gone and Barry or anyone leaves at least we know what was the plan with this money in the future. So

and I know our goal was for the fire department is because they had that $1.2 million truck coming. So we're trying to potentially save as much as we could so that we didn't have to go for a loan or anything like that.

Right. I think I would like to get um I talked with this subject with Judy for quite a while. Um and it it I keep going back and forth between actually setting up different line items in the budget or tracking that internally in departments and having those spreadsheets available kind of like our budget is. Um so I'd be very interested to see what the finance committee's point of view is on that. I think the same reasoning I would prefer to have more money in our general fund instead of all these little accounts is that you if something happens with the city or happens with the fire department, etc. Whoever is sitting on the council, they can make a decision based on the money that's in the general fund and they don't have to worry about I'm going to take it from the fire department. I'm gonna take it from safety. I'm going to take it from administration. Well, no. if you overbudgeted for the year, let's dump the money into our savings account and use it accordingly instead of worrying about that in the future.

Yeah. It's not a it's not a punishment to the budget. It's just a behavioral change on correct. That's that's all we're trying to achieve. So, okay. Do we need to we don't need to make an action there either. Right. No. Okay. Uh thank you. Parks and Rec Ashley. Um, yeah. So, Parker and Wreck met last night and we had one member. So, still looking for members. Anyone please? Um, we just had a very short short discussion on some updates. It lasted about 5 10 minutes and that was it. So, there really isn't anything new to report. Um, we're going to line up a next meeting when people can be in attendance.

You just need more people. Yes. Thanks, Ashley. Uh Barry,

we're going to get the update from the art of meeting. Uh it was Tuesday 28 28th of April. Um at city hall, we did roll call. Uh chair Jim Mossman was there, Don Simon, Bruce Kifmeer, and Corey Ganz. Corey. Absent was Tom Steve Torberg, Mark Spodden, and Mike Skinner. The uh staff present was liaison Brian Herberg, public works director Barry Schilling. Uh city and engineer Corey Cody was also there. Mayor and Ashley were both also there. Uh we had approval of the agenda. Uh and we had an addition of 5D uh rolls and beating. Um we had graveling bids. We discussed um we received three gravel bids after voted to after a long discussion throw these bids out and have the roads tested to see if the gravel was needed for independent testing by an independent testing company and then go forward based on their findings uh and me talking with the new greater operator um was kind of the plan. Um, we did have, uh, like I touched a little bit, um, Brian came in at $14.75 a ton. Uh, Joe Hendricks came in at$,580 a ton and Knife River came in at 1965 a ton. Uh, this is all based off of 4 in of road. Um, there was a little discrepancy on the tonnage based on compaction to 4 in. So they were looking at a more uniform bid. Um then we discussed uh road striping or fogging uh real roads only just about outside lines and we decided to hold on this to discuss in a later meeting. Uh

we also discussed uh the public shop work floor in 2027 possibly getting it resurfaced. Um, Corey brought up that Rock W has a good sealer that usually works. So, I haven't been in contact with him yet, but I will be uh just to get try to get a price for the shop floor up at the new public works building. Um, enforcement of the rightway was brought up, you know, with different things being trees, uh, fences, buildings, and whatnot. And, uh, Artum agreed that we should stand with city ordinances on that. Then we had D the roles and bidding. Um I had talked about any issues maybe brought to the PDW or to city staff. Um so we I have the authority and along with city staff to do different uh for if there's any problems with grading issues and stuff. Um uh then we also did that art is an advisory board as currently is uh we are looking for a more unified bidding format so all bids submitted or more unified so it's easier to tell uh so there's no apple it'll be all apples to apples also discussed having bids open by committees be before council meetings such as if there's the art tub finance or parks whichever committee before uh the actual council meeting. Um the next meeting date is May 26, 2026. It was adjourned. you have any questions on

uh I want to make a comment on the RTUB based on Barry's statement earlier. We that RTUB meeting got a little bit uh sideways because we didn't there was some accusations made about how the bidding was done. um the bids are sent in to the city and they're open by two staff members and I think there's a misconception of how those bids are being open prior to that. Um, one of the recommendations Barry made a a great recommendation I think would be good for the future is when we have those bids, we set the date to have them open and it's instead of just two staff members doing it, just come to council chambers and they can open them here so the public is welcome when those bids are opened. And if you're still good with that, Barry, I think that's a great recommendation. Um then there's no there's no question what what we're doing. Correct.

Correct. So we have to give that direction to Barry and our tub as well on that.

I think it's a no-brainer to do it that way. Um there's been talk over the past I don't even know how many years um issues around this and other cities that faced the same same issues, same accusations. They started started doing this and it it solved that problem. So I don't see why not to do it. I think it's the right way to go. I agree with that. Well, I I think Barry the recommendation to have a more unified quoting system quoting spec basically and help eliminate a lot of that confusion as well. It should. Yeah. So, great recommendation. All right. You want to go on to the resolution for graveling?

Uh yes. So, we had three bids. Uh like I just said uh we had construction came in at the low bid at 1475 a ton um which he figured it would be $121,34825. He figured to be $8,227 ton after compaction of till 4 in. Joe Hendrickx came in at$,580 a ton which came in at 1,16,192. Um, and his tons he had 7,354 um, total at a compaction 4 in. The knife river came in at 1965 a ton which would come out to 121306, but they didn't actually have a price on their bid. So, if you go off of my numbers, it' be about 7,8 a ton in compact. Um, it also talked a little bit in the u discussion that as another option because artub is recommending throwing out the bids and then u going out for testing. I did get a test quote back for $7,150 after talking with Cody. Um he said we could probably do half the sampling so it's still $3,500 for the roads that we have this year. Um, and so I didn't get I didn't get back a second quote back from the second test company. Um, but what I had recommended is we have uh $21,61248 left in the budget uh from our silicon. If we add that to our existing budget of 69,000, it brings it up to $90,61248.

um if you go off of my tonnage uh off the roads. So then it would just be a matter of doing a low bid with my tonnage that I have on my spreadsheet which would come to uh $91,56.85. Um if we dropped the road it would be under the total budget of this year. We could drop the 234 which is 3,900 to bring it to 87,85.13. That's just another option.

And I think you made the comment it's getting too late to test and we need to do something before they do the the dust control as well. Correct. The dust roll should be next next month hopefully. So your your recommendation, Barry, is to take 234th off there to just stay under budget

to stay under the budget if we reallocate the funds from the extra on the chip seal this year. So the chip seal is 153,385 8752 and we budgeted 175. So it's a 21,000 savings on that. Okay. What are the wishes wishes of the council? So, you want to take off the 234th Street? Yep. Okay. And what variable I'm sorry, which is the shortest road, right? The shortest road. Yeah.

Okay. So, what based off of your tonnage that you um came up with originally to do all of them is the 708. Uh yes, with all the roads and if you cut the other one off, it's like 62 42 and 73 or.3. So, about 6243 roughly. What should you come up with? So, I'm going to ask you a question, Barry. Mhm.

Based on what you quoted and what Joe Hendricks and Herburg Construction came back with, one of them is very close to what the tonnage you based it on. The other one is not. So, if you decide to drop a road and you're giving us pricing based on the tonnage you came up with, how are we supposed to make a decision between Herburgg and Joe based on tonnage when one is probably going to use a lot more than the other? That's where I said you'd have to go off of my tage. So the tonnage on the back end of all of them wouldn't be there now to make sure that the right tonnage would be put on the road or each road.

And it was talked at our tub if if they do back down the the tonnage of what they're using that could affect their per ton price

per. So to me, I don't have enough, in my personal opinion, I don't have enough information to make that call between them because you're not giving me any any dollar amount that's factual is where I'm at. So Barry, if we if we throw them out, how long would it take to get a rebid done? It would still take 30 days plus.

Next month would have the to go two day two weeks in the paper and then I have to go reach out to the companies again on a new red spreadsheet for get the base. So

I'm not trying to make this harder. I just want to make sure we know we we do this all the time where we throw out these prices and we don't have apples to apples which is a lot of what that conversation was and we don't we don't end up paying out what we agreed upon because we don't have all the information when we're making these decisions. And I'm not trying to prevent it getting done. I know I agree with you. It needs to get done sooner than later. But

if you're taking off a road now, these bids really do fall off because they bid it on five roads, you know, to do five graveling. And if you take one off now, you know, they may change their how they are looking at things too because

in the bid, we put in a stipulation that we could drop one to keep within our budget on the bid price. So people are aware of that. Okay. I think I'm kind of agreeing with Ashley is, you know, we're not really getting the full picture on it and I know we need to have it done. Barry, when you say we put in there that a road could be dropped, where is that? Cuz I don't see that in the in the ad.

It should be on the bottom of verbage on the bid. Get rid.

Oh, I see it. Okay. We're same thing. We're kind of looking at the tonnage per road. Um what you know what they came up with tonnage versus what I have in my figured for budget. The same thing is they're still going off the base tonnage per price. Um, it's just that their price and I would have to go back and say, you know, it's been per per ton per road. So, at a 475 per ton is kind of what the word is in there.

Mhm. On each page, I should say.

Ashley or Julie, you want to make a motion? I don't I mean I'm looking for some feedback here because when Artub looked at this they they looked at Herburger Construction is the lowest bid at 1475 a ton. When I look at this bid Joe is coming in at the lowest because his total dollar amount is lower because he's using less material. So that's how I was looking at too when I when I'm looking at it right now how it's bitted out. he's using less material and he's lower price even though his per tonnage is more you know so that's where I'm having it but if you're basing it off the 708 you know you know 78 for your base we're still you know then it would go the other direction but you can't do that be you know to me I don't think we can look at it like you said apples to apples in reality

so Barry the 78 that's your number right that's my number Yeah, that's the same thing as I I put that in with the if you look on the 19 65 tons. That's what my base comes out at 7,08 roughly. That's why I put Nice Rivers at 1,00 or 121,000 roughly with my tonnage figured in cuz they just had a blank slate of 1965 a ton. And they didn't say how much they would be using. No,

they didn't know what they would be using. So really we can't even really look at them in reality because they didn't give us the full bid correct on what they were looking at. So then it brings us back down to Joe and Herbert um Hendricks and you know Herbert construction you know again it comes back you know by this quote if we looking at this and not changing anything I mean with Joe Joe would be the cheapest to do it in the overall but I don't know I can't agree with Ashley on this one I I can make emotions tonight but I can guarantee you half the people in this room are gonna like it up. We got to make a motion to me. Um, Joe is using less material, so I would make a motion to award it to Joe Hendris, but we're that that budget number is that is over budget. So, where do

we're budget?

We are over budget. We would have to lower it, drop the road. But even if you do it per road and take take his road out in Herburger Construction, that same road for Herbert Construction, Joe's still less. If you use my my tonnage for each bid, if you go up to 1475 is going to be the lowest one. That's going to come out to the 90,000 with all the roads. Um Joe's would be closer to the 93 or 94,000 according to my tonnage. If you don't use their base tonnage for what they need for compaction roughly on four roads or 4 in based off a ton put on the road. So how many tons are you saying rem I think you lost me Barry. How many tons would you be removing then?

Uh we would be removing uh the one that' be two Uh it's like 260 or 710 right around there for that 234th. Okay.

To bring it down to that that's at 1475. So it' be a little more um if if you went with the 1580. So but that would bring it to 87,000. Then we'd have to make a motion to allocate the funds um from the silicone extra chip seal down into the graveling bin if you want to do that. So if you take 234th out of Herburgg's and Hendricks, we're still over budget. because they're not going to they're not going to go off of your number. They're going to go off of what they're quoting. They're not going to come in and do a job and use less material just because we think they should use less material. And we won't really know till they do the job if they really are going to use that amount of tonnage. I mean, all this is telling me, I mean, in the end, it's saying is that Herbert is not going to go over 121,000 and Joe Hendricks is not going to go over 116,000 in charging us. That's still over what our budget is.

Correct. I mean, that's what this is what it's looking at when I'm looking at it. So, we're still over, you know, depending on how you want to look at it, anywhere from, you know, 16, I mean, 26,000 to 31,000 over the budget.

Herburgg has 5206.75 allocated for 234 street. So, if you take that out of his bid, you're left with I don't know math 16 n Yeah. 116 116,000. If you go with Joe and you take out he's got 4,692 for 234. So if you take that out of his, that's still at 112. So we're still over budget by removing that one road. So finance didn't look at this because of Artub's decision. They didn't they didn't look at it at all because Artub gave the direction. Artub gave the direction based on it because they we didn't get apples to apples bids is what it what it came down to. So we either make this decision as a council or we go back to our tub and to finance to correct correct these bids.

I would make the motion, this is painful for Barry and and the citizens, but I would make the motion to throw out the bids, reduce the quantity. So, you set the set the tonnage. Yeah. And then allocate the leftover funds from seal coding to get to that $90,000 to stay under that threshold. And then that decision is real simple to make. Correct. I will second that. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? No, I agree. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. Any nays? Let the record show I abstain.

Thank you, Brian. All right. Uh, approval of a purchase of a back trailer. Um, this is a a back trailer that Colt Spring has offered up to us for Rockville for a discounted price. Correct. Yes. For $30,000. Um, I did bring this up to finance. Um,

and they were sounded like they were on board also for all the uses that we can use for it for the city of Rockville. It is a 1997. Um it's 1,000 gallons. Kind of what I got off the uh messages. Um the cold spring did say that they would replace the tires, the starter um before they would sell it to us. This is a make sure we don't have any issues with it. So, and this is a piece of equipment that you guys will you rent or lease out a piece of equipment, but you're waiting for them to show up. And I mean, so this would save you guys some time as a as a group as well, correct? It would. And you had the money in the budget to do make the

We did. We did. Uh we probably actually split the funds between water water, sewer, and streets actually. So that should be well within the budget. I will make the motion to approve the purchase of the VAC trailer for 30,000. And I will second that. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Hear none. Motion passes. All right. Uh schedule public hearing for newly codified or ordinance. This be at a regular council meeting.

We could schedule this for the next council meeting. Correct. Let's Okay. So it' be June 10th. Sure. You don't need a motion either, do you, Judy? Or you need a motion on that? Okay. So, we need a motion. So, moved. Okay. For June 10th, a second. Any further discussion? All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I.

Any nays? Hearing none. Motion passes. Approval to hire a temporary administrative help. I'll make a motion that we hire temporary administrative help which at this point we have asked Bill Decker to help. Can we add to that to have HR work with with Paycale? Correct. Yes. Is there a second on this? I'll second.

So, approve the temporary administrative help with going to HR for the pay scale. Okay. And timeline.

And timeline. Okay. Do I have a motion, a second? Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Motion carries. approval of interim administrator. So that's twofold, right? You Judy's taking on part of the clerk duties for us and Bill is taking on kind of the planning zoning side and the other half of the administrative duties. Um, so there's the ask was for compensation for the extra duties that

and then it would remain as the finance director versus taking the title as the Yeah. You guys didn't want that. I'd be asking for you guys to go for I would I would make a motion to let Judy keep her job title. also to have HR work with her on extra compensation. I'll second that motion. Well, and we really should need to add Mary in there, too. And Mary. So, we have a motion. Yes, Mary. Yes, I would add that. Yeah. Okay. Mary in a second. Okay.

And we have a motion and a second on that. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Motion carries. Okay. And then we need approval to advertise for the city administrator position. And wouldn't Wouldn't that be tied in with K if we decide to do that? I'm sorry. Uh, yes. Yes, it would. That would. Yeah. So, no sense doing it twice. Twice. Let's just skip over that one and take care of it down below.

Thank you, Brian. Um, we have a we need an approval for u the RTC board transfer funds approved the $500 transfer to the RORI trail construction board and this this board consists of uh Richmond, the city of Richmond and city of Cold Spring and and Rockville. Correct. Where all all cities would be pitching in the $500. So we have a motion. I'll second. Motion a second. Any further discussion hearing? None. All in favor indicate by saying I. I.

I. Any nays? Motion carries. Okay. Uh 11F. Charles Hansen. The invoices for the legal fees for the cleanup on his property on Mil Street. um he does not want to pay them, but this that was a long process and I I think he owes us the legal fees. I do too. And if if he protests it, let him come down here and talk to the council. Mhm. Yeah. I think we talked a lot about at our last council meeting and I still feel the same exact way. So I feel the same way, too. He should pay them. All right. So,

but do we want to keep charging him late fees or do we want to just the bill is the bill and if he doesn't pay it, roll it over. Let's Okay, that you're you're right, Brian. We can stop the late We can stop the fees. Just the bill is the bill and move on. So, we need a motion to approve the bill as is and if it's not paid, it will be put into the property tax roll. Okay. So, I made the motion. I guess I I'll second that. All right. So, we motion and second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I.

I. Any. Any nays? Motion carries. All right. G third party notification. And that's something we just need to clean up in our the language on our third party notification. I would like to make a motion to add to 19.3 that when the city admin/clerk contacts the attorney that they must notify council via email immediately afterwards. I will second that. Okay. Motion second. Any further discussion? Is there anything else to add to that?

That's really all we want is some clarity on it. Right. Correct. All right. So, we have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Any nays? Motion carries. Uh, letter H, committee actions. So the only thing we were going to change there is like our tub and finance getting together in January to look at future projects, right? Is that what that was? No, this was for parks and wreck. I'm sorry. Parks and wreck. Okay. Oh, on the not having a meeting. Yep. Yes.

So, they would just like clarity um since the committee is so small, if one person cannot attend last minute after it's been um scheduled, if we can if we can cancel if we can send out a message, put a sign up on the door in case any anyone else shows up that the meeting was cancelled because it is a small group. I think that's the only way you're going to be able to do it. But just make sure that whoever is in that committee needs to make sure they voicing it as early as possible that day. Yeah.

Or that you know as soon as they can saying they know they're not going to be that that because if it happens they know it already on Tuesday unless you're not meeting till Thursday. It gives us two days to get that out to the public that it's been cancelled. Correct. And it was prior. Yeah. To that just so everyone knows. Yeah. So I would just say yeah just you know make sure it's it's posted as quickly as we can and if it happens two hours before it happens then definitely if possible before you guys close it at 4 can be go up on the doors and it was canceled and is the leazison and the park for as Dan making that decision who's making the decision

I would say the part the liaison and the and Dan Dan at the moment until you have a chair. Yep. That just relieves some of that undue pressure on you guys as well. If Dan is unavailable, can Barry make that call? Can Mary make that call? Barry. Barry. Oh, Barry. Barry's going to make this call. He's Dan's boss. If if city hall knows like during the day or whatever that there's not going to be a quorum, they can cancel it then. It don't have to be the chair or whatever. I mean, the quorum is a quorum. That's That's the key. And if they know it's not going to happen, cancel it. Yeah. I just want to make sure we're covered. Yeah. We just Yeah, that's that's it.

So, that we don't people showing up and then it's not being Yeah, cuz if you can avoid them driving in or whatever, I mean, they can plan their evening out or Well, wasting their their staff's time, too. Well, and that them guys hang around until the meeting. So, if they know that it's not going to happen, let them go home. Okay, that makes sense. It does to me anyway. That usually cuts Fridays a little shorter. So that way, you know, we're not covered to the full eight hours, right? Usually Fridays. Yeah. So, what do you want the motion to be? Um, how do you want to word this?

As soon as any of the I'll make a motion. I'll try this. as soon as city hall or the chair or the leaison knows a quorum is not going to be met that they can cancel the meeting and that would go with any one of the whether it be our tub planning commission how much notice are you any anybody as long as then it covers everybody if it ever comes up that make sense I'll Second. A motion, a second. Any further discussion? All in favor indicate by saying I.

I. I. Any nays? Motion carries. All right. On the next letter is I, the data requests. So, it just came up. We Some municipalities charge for data requests, some do not. We do not currently, but when it was brought up about we had to have our lawyer work on some stuff, that's an additional fee. So that's the ask is do we want to charge if the lawyer has to be involved for the data request or do we not want to charge at all?

Anyone can make a data request. Correct. It doesn't have to be a resident of Rockville. It can be anyone. So that's that's where I'm at. I under I understand the comment that was made tonight that our residents already pay taxes. Why do I have to pay more taxes to find some stuff out? Um residents can come down to city hall and get the information most of the information at any at any point in time. Um I think in order to protect our city, I think fees are a a good idea because it does put a lot of strain on our staff. um and they spend a lot of a lot of time pulling those requests and it costs it cost it also costs the residents money at the same time. So if you have people asking for asking for these data requests that are outside of the city, it's costing us money to pull it for them. So if the attorney has to get involved, we should try to collect that fee ahead of time because if the attorney if someone comes in wants data request and the attorney has to get involved and then that we hand all the stuff to them and say, "By the way, here's the bill." They're going to say, "I don't want it."

And then all of a sudden, we've incurred the cost and no way to recoup it. Correct. I think it has to be told is when someone requests it, you need to tell them what the fee is going to be approximately what the fee is going to be because depending on the lawyer, it's on time, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, we don't know. So, if it takes him two days to get that data to us because it has to be looked at by the lawyer, you know, it's what he charges us. So, you know, we have to tell whoever is asking for the data, you know, especially when it's working with the lawyer that this is approximately what we think it's going to take them, but we don't know. We'd have no idea until But they, you know,

they need to be aware of that it's going to cost them some money. Yeah. But again, you have residents that aren't paying taxes here. How do you So, let's say we got a request somewhere and say post. I think there has to be a fee up front that gets paid

right away before the request moves forward. And then if they if it ends up getting I mean we know during it if it's going to end up being more etc. And we can always refund people too if we if we want to go that way or it's just a flat fee. So, are you recommending that just a straight one hour fee to start and then refund if it takes less time or or a straight 1 hour fee across the board and if it takes more there'll be an additional charge additional charge or $25 fee for every 15 minutes.

I don't like the 15minute thing because that that requires more work. Now I got to track it down to 15 15 minutes. And coming something that came from banking, it was a pain. Correct. Because you're constantly watching the clock and how much time you're spending on it. Even though the job took me 20 minutes, I'm like, "Uh, it was only 15. I rightfully should have charged him for a half hour because it went over that 15." You know, you get to the point you're just like, "Oh, forget just charge him $15, you know, or whatever it is because it was 15 minutes." Well, really was 20 minutes. I really should have charged him more. So that's how it gets sometimes. So I think I agree we need just a flat charge. this is what it's going to cost you just for the initial list and then there could be more fees especially if a lawyer's in you know is involved

correct and you can collect those additional funds before you turn over the information as well if you want the information after we get it from the lawyer then you have to pay the additional fees but right now up front you have to pay this more and more places are getting that way cities are I mean you go to the anywhere you go now they're charging you a fee for information you know because they have to do research Even if it's on the top of your desktop, you still need to take the time to find it on your desktop or on the file that you have it saved in or you know and it may be the administrator saves it on their desktop and not the finance director. So now you have to you know find where it's at. It's I agree. I think we have to have a flat fee.

Okay. So we want that flat fee to be 100 bucks. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking too. Personally, I think that's a little much, but that's just my opinion. Make it 50 bucks. If you want the information that much, you can come down here, ask for the recordings, take your own time to listen to all of them and get the information. So, if you want to put the time and work in to get it for cheap and free, then that that's that's an option. Yeah. In my personal opinion, if it it's going to cost us probably more than $100 if we have to put that much time in to provide it. So, I don't think $100 is unreasonable. I don't think so.

And if it's a problem and we get too many complaints, we can always revisit it. Correct. Correct. So, you want to make it just a $100 minimum. Sure. Go ahead. You have to hold a public hearing. Oh, yep. So either because we do it in January, otherwise you're going to have to schedule a public hearing to um add the fees for your request for next month. I'm fine putting it in January. So then we won't be charging anything until then. I would say so. Mhm. We'll get the courtesy. So if you need it, get it now. Push it off till January.

January. So what about the one that we have this attorney. Can I ask what how much the attorney charged us? We don't have the invoice. It's they're still investigating. And if I'm going to be a couple Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, there's two two attorneys involved with this. So I do not know if we will get because it's our current attorney that's reviewing it besides he is asking because it's an HR.

So in this particular case we could just amend it and charge for the attorney fees as a just transfer of fees. Otherwise, if you guys give me permission, I can reach out to Joe, the attorney, to find out, can we build back whatever you guys for the state and get confirmation from him? I was going to say that I want to make sure that we can do this actually. So, I I would make a motion to get you to have you reach out to him and collect that information. I'll second the motion. All in favor indicate by saying I. I.

I. Any nays? Motion carries. Okay. Uh 11J the water meter at the 400 club. So Barry, you want to touch on that again?

Yeah, I I certainly can. Uh so on the 400 club when RMR services came in to replace all the meters for the city city uh meter change out uh the 400 club uh meter was not attached to their pipe cuz we record the water usage for their sewer bill. Um we had RMR install it with stubs so that way all they have to do is hire a plumber to come in and replplum it into the building. Um, we gave him until May 1st to get it done and now we're here to see what the city wants if we want to push it. He he would like to push it out uh until he puts water into the property, but there's no way of telling right now if he's using water or not. So, that's where the PW kind of stands on this.

I'll make a motion. He's got to put it in so we can test it. I'll second. Okay, we got a motion, a second. Any other discussion hearing? None. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Motion carries.

I just I for Judy I forgot this email was buried. So just talking about water meters for the city. Just a quick heads up. Um if people haven't signed up for the app for the water meter, please do so. It it is saving a bunch of people money. They know they have a leak right away. The city has reached out to many folks tell them they have a leak. Um, one we got one nice email from a couple here in town that said the meter is smart. They got they got an email letting them know the possible water leak. They checked their house, found outdoor faucet was leaking. Um, so that's saving them money because they're paying sewer rate and water rate on that. So again, if you if you could get the app loaded on your phone, that'd be great. So 11

okay recruitment service and go ahead Bill

okay um I contacted a company called South Central Service Corp Corappa and I can't say the word um they did the administrator for St. Augusta uh review and found an administrator within about 3 months. They had 26 uh applicants and they narrowed it down to one and that individual took the job. I did talk to talk to them today. They'd be willing to come in and present uh to the council um the way they do things and uh they've got really good reviews, you guys. I mean all these cities and then u I've got a call in and I believe Mark talked to the mayor of St. Augusta and they came back with really good reviews of process. Would you like them to come in next month?

Do you want to wait sooner? Or sooner? Or sooner? I always say if we can do sooner because otherwise we're going to end up having to put an ad in the paper and go through, you know, all that and it could take us 6 months and we don't we only have Yeah, we don't have six months. Yeah, we've got the meter clicking already. It's clicking eight days already. So sooner is better. Um so yeah, I would say we need to have a meeting sooner with them than later. Bill, could you find out when they could meet with us? Yeah, I I'll call in tomorrow. That'd be awesome. Thank you. Uh they're working in a couple northern cities right now. Great. So, if that's the case, we need what a three-day notice to have a a meeting.

Mhm. So, if we can keep that in mind on how we do this. Perfect. Okay. That concludes our agenda, right? I'll make make a motion to adjourn. No meetings. We have to We did that already. We did that already. Oh, it was up there. Never mind. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor indicate by saying I. I. I. Motion carries.