Council - Regular Meeting

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I now call the July 21st, 2026 Finance Committee meeting to order at 6.46 PM. Chair would entertain a motion for the approval of claims.

Your Honor, motion for consideration of claims to be paid in the amount of $572,456.37, Elon credit card in the amount of $6,440.42, manual check in the amount of $1,350, payroll and liabilities for 7-10-2026, the amount of... $244,933.91 for a total of $825,180.70. Do I have a second? I second the motion. Perfect.

I have a motion by Councilwoman Johnson, a second by Councilman Larson to approve recommendations for consideration of claims to be paid in the amount of $572,456.37, credit card in the amount of $6,440.42, manual check in the amount of $1,350, payroll and liabilities for July 10th, 2026 in the amount of $244,933.91, for a total of $825,180.70. Are there any questions, comments, or concerns? No, Your Honor. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed, same sign. Motion passes. Do we have anything additional to come before the Finance Committee this evening? Director Harris?

No, Mr. Chair, thank you.

Without objection, we'll adjourn the meeting at 6.47 p.m.

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July 21st, 2026, regular meeting of the Riverton City Council to order at 7 p.m. Councilwoman Borders has agreed to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, after which I will give the invocation. If everyone could please rise and remove cover.

I pledge allegiance to the flag

Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for the opportunity we have to meet here together. And to recognize the efforts of so many people who serve our community in many different ways. We're so grateful for those who serve us. Whether they be through law enforcement, fire protection, emergency medical services, the military, or just any other service that's provided through the employees of the city or in other governmental agencies. We ask you to bless them with. Bless them and their families. Please bless them to have a greater knowledge of our appreciation and thy appreciation and reliance on them. We ask thee that as we serve, we can have our minds enlightened to the needs of those around us and that we can serve as thou wouldest have us do. And we ask thee to please protect all of us that are here tonight. and guide us as we discuss the business of the city. We say these things in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ, amen.

Amen.

Thank you, everyone. Well, this is a little weird. Ms. Harris, could you conduct the roll call?

Yes, Your Honor. Councilmember Eric Carr.

Here.

Councilmember Mike Bailey.

Here.

Councilmember Carla Borders. Here. Councilmember Kyle Larson.

Here.

Councilmember Karen Johnson. Here. Mayor Tim Hancock.

I am here. What I was saying is weird is this is the first meeting I've had where we actually have a vacancy that I've been the mayor. It's just a little bit odd. Okay, I declare we have a quorum. I'd entertain a motion for the approval of the agenda as presented in the packet.

So moved.

Second. Councilwoman Borders with the motion. Councilman Bailey with the second. Any discussion?

Your Honor.

Yes.

I'd like to move to include a brief discussion on outdoor donation spaces.

Outdoor donation spaces? Do we need to have any action on that tonight or would it just be a discussion?

Just a brief discussion.

Would it make sense to have that as an agenda item, or do you want to just discuss it when we get to the council committee reports? Either way is good with me.

I'd like to have that as an agenda item if we can.

OK. All right. So the motion to approve the agenda as presented had been made by Councilwoman Borders, second by Councilman Bailey. We have a motion to include an agenda item for outdoor.

Donation. Donation. Your Honor, do you need an amendment?

We would. So the motion from Councilwoman Johnson is to add that as an agenda item. Where would you want to add that?

Can we add it just before the executive session after the P pass class settlement discussion?

OK. So we have a motion to add an item which would be, I guess for today, we'll just call it 19A. How does that sound? That'll work. And do we have a second for that motion? OK, we have a second for that to amend the agenda as noted. Any other discussion on that item? All in favor of the amendment adding 19A, say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed, say nay. I vote aye, motion passes. So now we're back on the main motion for the agenda. Any other discussion, additions, corrections, subtractions, divisions, multiplications, square roots? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, say nay. I vote aye, motion passes. introduction and oath of office. We have some patrol officers. Chief.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. Tonight we're welcoming two additional officers to our police force. Aiden Prettyman, please come forward. And Jacoby Little, please come forward.

I can see there's gonna be some sibling rivalry here already.

I'd like to first introduce Hayden. He's lived in Fremont County for the last eight years and is a local graduate of Riverton High School. He's been in law enforcement for well over a year as a detention deputy, and he likes to assist those in need and is looking forward to helping the community come together. He will be pinned tonight by his mother, Stephanie.

Stephanie, do you wanna come forward?

Our next officer is Jacoby Little. He's also lived in Fremont County for all his life. He's also a Riverton High School graduate and he also was stolen from the county as detention deputy and we're proud to have him join our Riverton Police Department. He looks forward to helping grow the community safer and follow in his grandfather's footsteps as he was retired deputy. Today he's going to be pinned by his sister Brandy. Brandy? Perfect, no blend. Go ahead and step forward, and Mayor, we're ready for the oath of office.

All right, gentlemen. I'm going to set this here. Just repeat after me. Raise your hand. I'm going to say aye, and then you're going to say your name. Okay. Aye.

Aye. Are we little?

Somehow, I don't know how it doesn't communicate. I'm going to say I. You're going to say I. And then you're going to say your name. Good now? Good. So far, so good.

All right, I. I. Kobe Little. Ian Prettyman.

Good. Do solemnly swear.

Do solemnly swear.

Or affirm.

Or affirm.

That I will support, obey, and defend.

I will support, obey, and defend.

The Constitution of the United States.

The Constitution of the United States.

And the Constitution of the State of Wyoming.

And the Constitution of the State of Wyoming.

That I have not knowingly. that I have not knowingly violated any law related to my appointment, nor caused it to be done by others, and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity. How cool is it that two high school graduates get sworn in at the same time?

It's cool. It's cool. I remember when we couldn't get one, even if you are free lunch.

Welcome aboard. You're going to have to shake hands with everybody in the audience.

He's a bit of a liar.

Thank you.

Thank you. Congratulations. Alright, well, we're glad you're here.

excited to have you excited for good things from you it's a great night to be here and get to join a lot of other officers that are here i think they might just be here for you maybe all right chief you're up next again thank you your honor

On April 30th of this year, the Riverton Police Department Communications Center was inundated with multiple 911 calls reporting a fully involved residential structure fire on North Broadway in Riverton. Our emergency dispatcher quickly learned that multiple victims had suffered severe burns and had been removed from the home, while additional victims reportedly, including children, were believed to still be trapped inside the burning residence. Faced with a rapidly evolving and emotionally devastating incident, personnel from the Riverton Police Department Communications Center, responding Riverton police officers, Fremont County Sheriff's deputies, Frontier Ambulance personnel, off-duty police officers, and department support personnel came together as a unified team in an extraordinary effort to preserve life and care for those who were affected. Communications personnel efficiently coordinated emergency resources, relayed critical information to the first responders and maintained command of a rapidly changing incident information. Law enforcement officers rendered aid to critically injured victims, searched the burning residents for additional occupants, secured the scene and provided reassurance and support to some distraught family members and neighbors. Off duty officers responded without hesitation to provide additional staffing, assist personnel already on scene, and ensure continued public safety throughout the incident. Other personnel responded to the hospital to assist with reunification of parents and children as pediatric burn victims were being prepared for transport to specialized out of state burn centers. Throughout this tragic event, every member understood their role and worked seamlessly with one another under extraordinary circumstances. Your invaluable employees from the lone 911 dispatcher who was on duty, patrol officers, detectives, police administration, victim witness unit personnel, fellow law enforcement officers from the county sheriff's office and frontier ambulance are being commended for their actions. Their teamwork, professionalism, compassion, and a wavering commitment to serving the community resulted in coordinated, lifesaving efforts during one of the most challenging incidents faced by the Riverton Police Department. The collective actions of all personnel involved exemplify the high standards of public service, interagency cooperation, and dedication to duty. Their exceptional performance reflects great credit upon themselves, their respective agencies, and the Riverton community, making them highly deserving of the Unit Citation Award. On behalf of the city of Riverton and grateful community, I ask for each of you to step forward as you're called and be recognized tonight to receive a special Unit Citation Award. Lead dispatcher, Sarah Nelson. Victim witness specialist, Luanne Luther. Victim witness coordinator Cindy Harris. School resource officer Tyler Larson. Detective Taylor Murphy.

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Shift partners yes.

At the time, he was Officer Brookover. I'd like to welcome tonight as Sergeant Brandon Brookover. . Working. Officer Bart Swagler. I know he's out of town. Officer Bagia at the Camaro Southside account. Lieutenant Amy Filer. From Fremont County Sheriff's Office, Donovan Detmore. From Fremont County Sheriff's Office, Detective Serlo. From Fremont County Sheriff's Office, Deputy Larry Holiday. Lieutenant Eric Smits. School Resource Officer Christian Amos. Detective Sergeant Peter McCall. I have another one for Frontier Ambulance EMT, Dallin Apodaca, who cannot be here tonight. And I'll present that to Diane with Frontier Ambulance.

You're going to about make us explode, Chief. We've been trying to hold in our applause.

Please hold your applause, because I have something, one more thing to go through. There are several members being recognized tonight who demonstrated extraordinary courage, selflessness, and devotion to duty by knowingly placing themselves at extreme personal risk to save the lives of others. Mayor, I'm gonna need you down. Thank you. On April 30th this year, while responding to a residential structure fire, officers advised that additional children were believed to be trapped inside a burning home. Without hesitation and fully aware of the imminent danger, they entered the residence despite rapidly spreading flames, dense toxic smoke from burning furnishings, and the significant risk of serious injury or death. Without the benefit of firefighting protective equipment or self-contained breathing apparatus, these officers entered the actively burning residence and searched as many rooms as conditions allowed. Despite intense heat, advancing flames, and increasing hazardous smoke, they continued to search until the smoke and fire made further entry impossible. Throughout the rescue effort, they repeatedly exposed themselves to life-threatening conditions, placing the preservation of human life above their own safety. Their willingness to enter a burning structure under such perilous circumstances, despite the substantial risk of serious physical injury or death, reflects the conspicuous gallantry, exceptional bravery, and unwavering commitment to protecting the community they serve. Their decisive actions exemplify the highest traditions of law enforcement profession and brought great credit upon themselves to the county and Fremont and Riverton Police Department. Tonight we proudly acknowledge their extraordinary heroism by presenting them with one of the highest honors our department can bestow for acts of exceptional bravery. Their courage, selfless service, and unwavering commitment to preserving human life made them profoundly deserving of this distinguished award. Please join me in congratulating these remarkable officers for their extraordinary valor and dedicated service to our community as I pin upon them the distinguished medal for bravery. Lieutenant Eric Smits, please come forward. Officer Christian Amos.

Thank you.

Detective Sergeant Peter McCall. Mayor and Council, thank you for allowing me to present and recognize our excellent staff tonight.

Thank you.

Mayor, Council, members of the public.

As Chief has worked through recognizing our team for the heroic efforts they made on that day, he's failed to recognize, mention his efforts and the leadership that he provided his team when there was crisis in our community. So Chief, I'd like you to come forward and make sure you're recognized as well, sir. I was about to ask Amy if she could come help pin these.

Oh, you know, Amy would have been a good call.

She's busy. Thank you.

OK. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Have you tried? No.

We can start with Larry. Come around. We'd all like to shake your hand and congratulate you. I want to say something as I see this group here. And not every mayor gets to say this, but I do.

Thanks, Larry. Thank you.

I know everyone here. I get to rub shoulders with every single one of them. I tease Donovan every chance I get.

Thank you.

Lieutenant, looking good. Thank you. Sarge. Everybody we recognize tonight is among the best people that Fremont County has to offer. So thank you. Thanks for being willing to let us recognize you and being willing to serve the community. And as per usual, once we get them with the recognitions, they book out of here just as quick as they can. You can give him a hug just this once, Amy. Alright. Well, I know how to clear a room. OK, let's go to the reports and comments. Why don't we start with Councilman Carr?

Thank you, Your Honor. No official meetings since our last meeting. However, I did want to thank everyone involved with the balloon rally. It was, as always, it was great. Wonderful showing for our community. Just tons of thank yous for all. I know personally how much energy that takes to put on, and it's just very well done. So thank you. That's it.

Okay.

Councilman Bailey. Thank you. Again, we had the 4th of July celebration, which was fantastic. We had the balloon rally. We had the Friday night cruise and the car show and all of that. And I think it was just amazing. Had a lot of people in town. A lot of really nice events. The people that say there's nothing to do in Riverton weren't here in the last two weeks, so I mean, there was a lot of stuff, and so, very good. I did attend the force committee meeting, and again, they're hard at work lining up projects for the year, and they've got a lot of things in the works. I did have some citizen comments wanting to know when Riverview is gonna get open. Thank goodness. Riverview to Majors and Majors up the hill is now open. So that helps a little with the traffic and stuff. And they'll be working, continuing on working on finishing that up to the east of that intersection. And the Pathways to Schools project is going right down the same thing. They'll be putting a nice wide sidewalk in for everybody. a nice addition to the community. As with most of these projects, it's a real pain in the neck when they're doing them, but after they're done, it's really nice and amazing, so.

I had someone who was just complaining to me about it. I'm not saying that in a negative way necessarily. And then when they saw that it was open, thought that maybe I had been able to do something to open it up. Anyway, I didn't. Councilwoman Borders, anything else, Mr. Bailey?

Thank you, Your Honor. I've attended two meetings, the rec board last week and then this evening prior to this meeting, I met with PAWS and just they're working on PAWS and PEARLS. And then I just wanted to comment. I mean, it's a little hard to talk after what we just witnessed. We're so blessed. we're so blessed that we have people that are willing to run into a burning building to save others and i don't think enough can be said enough medals can't be given so i just want to thank everybody and then just to echo eric and mike the last couple weeks have been great they've been amazing and for those people that say there's nothing to do you're not looking i'm telling you so that's all i have to say thank you thank you councilwoman borders

All right, Councilman Larson.

Your Honor, I attended the solid waste disposal district meeting yesterday and they are working towards building a new building out of sand draw and getting engineering done on that. Seems to be a problem with the subsoil out there that causes concrete to fail early so they're working on making sure that doesn't happen there the city of dubois is still searching for areas to put their horse exhaust and um of having excess land because they're surrounded by BLM. And BLM is not in the fashion of moving fast. They've been working on a 60 acre,

What would you call it?

You don't call it exhaust.

We've talked about it, and somehow we talk about it a lot, and that's just fine, Councilman Larson. I'm going to chuckle every time. It's juvenile of me, I know, but I will.

Anyway, so... They're having a difficult time. Anyway, we talked about that. We talked about the future usage of the transfer station. They're trying to still figure out the pricing on solid waste. And the first ton is $77. Everybody thinks it's $80, but it's $77. And so whether that's going to go to a higher or a lower price for Riverton hasn't been decided yet. And neither is the closure of Lander. Anyway, second thing, I want to... say to everybody that what we have just witnessed, you cannot believe that doesn't exist in New York or New Jersey. And the taxes back there, I was talking to Mike beforehand, for a moderate house are $18,000 to $19,000. That's breathtaking. And the service, they cannot have a volunteer fire department because they can't get insurance on their houses. Police officers make considerably more, but taxes are more, etc. We live in a real cool community. I mean, the parade that Cindy put on was great. The party in the park was great. Even though we didn't have fireworks, it was still okay.

Could have been better.

It could have been done, yeah. But nevertheless, and then we had a, last week we had a balloon party. Yeah. you know, when you say there's nothing happening in Fremont County, you must be asleep under a tree. Thank you, Your Honor.

You bet. All right. Councilwoman Johnson.

Thank you, Your Honor. I attended a couple different meetings, both for PAWS, for the PAWS committee. It's a challenging committee. We're working hard to try to resolve some things, and... confident we'll get there eventually, but it's been challenging. So we are working on that. Aside from that, I attended the car show and the downtown parade and all of that. That was pretty cool. A lot of new cars this year. Fun people. Good gathering. Really enjoyed that.

I saw you sitting out in your parking lot. I think you must have been on a

On the tailgate of a truck. It's on the tailgate, yeah.

I saw you there. I was going to wave, but...

It's where short people sit.

Yes, yeah.

So we don't get run over by the little kids.

People driving, and I was looking everywhere, and I just barely glanced at you, and I was... Anyway.

But yes, it was a good time. Aside from that, just multiple different meetings with different citizens handling different issues. And that's it. I do want to echo essentially what these two have said about. Sorry, hang on. The brave men and women that we have in our community. Are in fact heroes and they walk amongst us and. These men and women every day strap on 40 pounds of gear and leave their own families to protect ours. And I am incredibly thankful for you. So thank you. That's all.

Thank you, Councilwoman Johnson.

Your Honor, if I could, there's one more thing I wanted to mention. The fair's happening right now. The parade is Saturday at 10 in the morning, and there's all sorts of fun things going on. If you want to see a schedule, you can go to Fremont County Fair online. I'm not sure exactly what the address is. Google Fremont County Fair. It'll take you in Wyoming. And that's all I really had to say. We're just getting started, though. There's plenty left to do.

Good deal. All right, Mr. Butterfield, I'm googling Fremont County Fair just to see. And actually, you don't even have to put in Wyoming. It just comes up.

Oh, good.

FremontCountyFair.org. Now you know.

Are we based on your location?

Could be. Mr. Butterfield.

Thank you, Your Honor. I will be brief tonight. As a reminder, no planning commission this week, and there will not be an airport board meeting this month. And I'd also like to say thank you to the many people who put on the rendezvous balloon rally and the car show and all the great things that have been happening in our community. But particularly, I think it's important that we recognize Mr. Max Batista for his work in that. he is our city liaison to the rendezvous balloon committee and the hours that he puts in in that role is substantial especially this time of year so i think it's appropriate that we highlight him and thank him for what he has done to make sure that our community has a very fun event alongside all the other volunteers that help as well And Your Honor, for the rest of my report, if it's okay, I'd like to defer to our Public Works Director to provide an update on construction, where projects sit currently, and then also future projects that will be coming this summer. So, Mr. Thoman.

Thank you, Mr. Butterfield. Go ahead. Councilman Bailey, I already mentioned a couple projects and how they're shaking out. So the Riverview Road project, which has the west end open. Please be careful as you pass through that way. It is a wide road, which also includes the bike path, but there will be separation there. It might encourage some people to speed, but we encourage you to keep the speed down. It is marked at 20 mile an hour, so just be careful and cruiser continue to work through that project. so concurrently with that project the willow creek project will begin and that'll be starting august 1st that'll be the sidewalk he put sidewalk that will wrap around willow creek school an attempt to make that whole area safe for pedestrians, safe for cars as well. In mid-August, then, the slurry sale project will begin, and concurrently with that is the concrete replacement project. The concrete replacement project will occur in Village Drive area, the East Park, or excuse me, West Park area, and then kind of the Kinnikinnick, Tamarisk street areas. So as well, staff currently is working on selection of a firm for the bicentennial subdivision reconstruction project. They're also we've just put out for consultants for the safe streets for safe streets for all action plan study project that should be showing up in paper tomorrow for ensuring consulting firms. The wastewater treatment plant process upgrade project is in phase two of three again that's a clarifier that just got put online and now a UV. upgrade project and then additional phase with mineral royalty grants funds that were just obtained. Also planning is ongoing for the West Main Street water line project. And then this fall, the water treatment plant rehab project will be underway. That project's already been bid out. It'll just start once demand for water subsides a little bit. And then also starting very soon up at the airport is the Taxiway Delta Resurfacing and Lighting Upgrade Project. And then... There's a couple others in the works, but while I have the microphone, I'd just like to give a shout out to my crews for staying up through the nights, closing down streets, staying there, making sure pedestrians are safe, making sure vehicles and pedestrians stay apart. And they've just been unwavering on that. So I really appreciate all that. Also going on right now is the Mountain Men Rendezvous currently. So thank you.

Thank you. Summers can get pretty busy. Alright, anything else Mr. Butterfield?

No, Your Honor.

Thank you. So one thing I was trying to say, but of course. They all run off and that's OK. They don't like to. They I sound like I'm talking about some vague. Group of people, but of course I mean our law enforcement officers. Victim witness coordinators are deputies who we were just recognizing. I am so privileged to be able to call them friends. Any day I get to associate with them is such a good opportunity and I just would encourage, when you're in a situation and you're asking for getting whatever it might be from one of our local law enforcement officers, be as kind and patient as you can. They've got a lot that they carry on their shoulders that goes beyond just 40 pounds. And it's a hard job. We, I don't wanna say lose like pass, but that happens too with some of them. I mean, people can get killed in the line of duty, but we also lose, Many of our good folks that serve in that capacity to just burn out, inability to be able to keep up with some of the pressures, everything. I would encourage you to continue to call them as you need help. So I'm not trying to say take a load off of them by never seeking help, but I am trying to say try to do what you can to recognize them when you have opportunities to visit. because they carry a lot and that goes everywhere. I really appreciate Mr. Tolman. It might be a different load. But we have our public works employees. That will often spend. nights where everybody else is in with a nice warm home and they're out there trying to fix a leak that has and it's not just a leak but it's like a pipe burst that's got water going all over the place and it's cold and it sucks so we have a lot of people that serve the communities in so many different ways most recently was reminded of the importance of jury duty we just got done with the jury trial today and appreciate that there were so many people that when we were doing jury selection, for example, were saying, I'm willing to serve instead of, no, get somebody else. I don't want to do it. So anyway, a little bit of my soapbox there. I had the distinct privilege of judging the sandwiches that were produced by our balloon rally participants. We only had four. And I will tell you the one that won was a sandwich portrayal of Dolly Parton. And if you want to see a picture of that, I have it on my phone. And I will say that was hilarious and I loved it. And any chance I have to attend anything for the balloon rally, it's a good day. So it was a lot of fun. I agree that we throw a lot at Max this time of year and I'm glad he's getting some time off tonight and is not having to sit here at the meeting. uh... but uh... appreciate his hard work i'd also appreciate the other uh... city employees who make that happen there's a lot of different things even if it's just closing off roads making sure that uh... everything set up for the friday night cruise there's a lot of work that goes into it and it's not just city employees but a lot of volunteers and that kind of thing so ton of fun and it's up my love every year and certainly appreciated landowners that were not complaining and griping about people landing in their fields and for those that did have issue with people landing in their fields i am sorry we'll try to get you added to the red zones let us know and we'll try to be aware of it going forward we did have an incident so councilwoman johnson did you have something to add before i finish up

i was just going to say i think it would be remiss to not say thanks to the parks department they have an extremely hard job after all of the celebrations and the preparations for and they're appreciated very much for the hard work that they put into these events as well

We have a newer employee over at the parks department. I was just visiting his wife. I get to go to church with him, and I was visiting with his wife, and she was saying after a day in the park, he came home. I don't think it was necessarily just because of the day in the park, but his allergies got the best of him. I mean, even something as simple as that, it's a lot of hard work, and I saw him out there in the heat when everybody else is sitting in the shade, and he's over there picking up all the trash as the day is going, and you're right. It's hard work.

And it was hot.

It was hot.

They got to stay even when it was hotter. And my wife and I sat and listened to the band at Bar 10 after the Friday night cruise and went home at 11 o'clock. And the city staff was out there picking up and moving barricades out of streets and all that. They definitely burned the midnight oil a little bit for those events. So we appreciate it very much.

And it was a ton of fun to see the cadets out there with our CSOs at the day in the park. I loved that. What a fun opportunity to be able to see them, you know, trying to keep an eye on things, trying to learn, trying to see what it takes. So, yeah, it's great. Okay. I guess the other thing I will say is we do have an FCAG meeting on Thursday. Just to be aware, we have had so far the MOA that would be the governing document for the 3.25% sales tax, if it were to pass, has been passed now by the city of Riverton, the city of Lander, the county, and Hudson. An MOA that was a little bit different, and we're still trying to figure out what all that means, It was passed by Shoshone, but it kind of has some different terms, and so we're gonna try to sort some of that out at this next meeting and see where we can reach. But we have that coming up. We also, well, that's just part of what's on the agenda. All right, well, it's 7.50 and we're just barely getting to kind of the crux of our meeting, but we're doing good so far. We will not be here until one o'clock tomorrow morning, everyone. And if you make me stay here until one o'clock tomorrow morning, I'm not gonna be very happy. All right, communication from the floor, citizens' comments, anyone in the audience wishing to address the council regarding an item that's scheduled for a public hearing will be given an opportunity during that public hearing. If you wanna speak about something that's not currently set, for a public hearing, you're welcome to come up when the agenda item is called. Different meetings do it different ways. Since I've been mayor, I've been very open and willing to have people come up and speak when an agenda item is called so we don't have to have you come up now and then we remember it and think about what you said later. So if you wanna talk about something that's not on the agenda, now would be the time. I'm looking at people on this side because I know. But if you do wanna talk, nothing wrong with anyone on that side. So if you wanna talk about something that's on the agenda, we'll give you a time when that agenda item is called. But in either event, I'd ask you to leave your comments to five minutes. If you're a part of a group, I'd ask you to keep your comments to 10 minutes and just split up your time in that way. Come up to the microphone. Use the microphone, please, so our listening and viewing audience around the world will be able to also see and hear what you are saying. There could be people in other places. So time's now yours.

I'm timing you, Cindy. Mayor and council. Well, I first want to apologize for not being here two weeks ago. I was probably feeling a little like Max is today. And we were closed Monday on top of that. So, yeah, Tuesday was a busy day. But I want to say just a couple of things before I get into my other stuff. I feel very lucky to live here, and I feel very safe here. And I know that if I had an emergency of any kind, that I would be taken care of or my family. And that makes me feel good. We're very lucky here. You know, sometimes I hear negative things about this or that, and it's just like, you know, You need to come to a council meeting. You need to realize really what the big picture is here. And we're very lucky. Our quality of life is very good. So I appreciate everything they do. And I have that confidence that if I were to need them, they would be here. Hopefully I don't need that. Okay, I wanted to say thank you for the contract for services funding. I don't know if I've been able to say that yet in everything else that's been going on. I appreciate that. And the 250, I didn't get to really talk about that until now. Everybody says thank you for the parade, but I have to point out Mr. Gary Michaud was the backbone of the parade and he had a special committee for that. And so he was the doer of that part of it. He deserves the recognition and it wouldn't have went off probably as well had I been in charge. I want him to be recognized for that in his committee. Someone I do wanna really recognize because he was so helpful and didn't act like it was a problem or a burden or anything. And that is Rusty Davis with the parks. I probably called him, I don't know, 50 times and I text him and I went down there and every time he had a big smile on his face and he was so willing to help in whatever we needed. I mean, bringing out a big bucket truck to hang a flag, come in the middle of the activities come take it down everything we wanted he was so gracious in his team too and i want to thank tell you how good of a guy he is and then of course brendan and colin i believe i got calls i had some interactions with brendan of course but i think near the end of the day on friday work day i had calls from both brendan and colin to ask me if i needed anything else And that was fantastic. I just really appreciated that, because I know it's a pain in the butt. And they did work hard, the parks people did, and it's hard. You all got to see the letter from the lady from Casper. She sent that the day of the 4th. It was just crazy. I'm like, oh my, I read it the next day, and I was like, wow. That just solidified everything for me. I want to, oh, we have a ribbon cutting tomorrow at 1 p.m. at Clippers and Shears. They're up there across from the administration building in the white office buildings. If you can make it, that would be great. And then we've got our after hours Thursday night at Pinnacle Day Center on Monroe. And I want to point out, we are going to award the parade winners their plaques at the after hours event so we're going to add a little into that and i'll take plenty of pictures but we are going to announce and award the three winners of the parade categories so they've been notified and they will be there and it sounds like so the after hours networking is going to be at five uh-huh and then they also have a community event

for Shine With Ability that they're gonna start at three that same day, 3.30 over at Pinnacle Day Center.

Yes, they do that just kind of as I understand it, she does that to show her clients and people with disabilities and what they do and shine a light on them because they do have a great facility there and provide a lot, so. yeah that's early on and then the after hours then about six o'clock is when we will announce the the parade winners so we're gonna do it all in one shot so and i feel like i'm forgetting something but i just my brain's fried so well thank you for helping us realize how much gary was doing with that because i was looking at the picture that they had taken of everyone involved and i was realizing

There was a lot of people that were involved in that that I did not do very well at recognizing. For example, I had forgotten that Mr. Delgadillo was a part of the committee. And we were sitting here and singing your praises while he's sitting there in the audience not trying to get anyone to say anything about him. And, of course, Mr. Michaud is sitting over here and just like I'm not going to say a word. So I appreciate that. We need more people to recognize Gary.

Yeah, and Gary took it under his, you know, he said, we're going to make this subcommittee just for the parade. And I so appreciate that because we took on a pretty big lift. We had some lofty ideas of how we wanted that whole day to go. Looking back, it's like, oh my, what were we thinking? What was I thinking? I don't know, but it was great. It really was. And I've heard nothing but good. And I'm just really proud it went off and we kicked it off. more than willing to talk about what next year would look like and maybe forming a committee. Oh, you're ready now. No, no. I will tell you what I can be a part of.

that was rude wasn't it it was not i will tell you what i can do what my bandwidth is it's kind of getting revenge because this whole thing started when you came in here and kind of put us on the spot and said hey we should celebrate the 250th and then we kind of got a committee together the coalition of the willing is i guess what i would say

Well, I don't think it was that.

Maybe the coalition of the somewhat willing. And then after that, you came in and put me on the spot to say, hey, you need to show up and do an impression. So I don't have any problem putting you on the spot, Cindy. That's now our relationship.

Okay. so tip for tat okay well you can feel sorry for my husband because now you know how i how i do it but no i'm i'm very happy with everything i feel like we did a good kickoff you know and next year we can hopefully get a good committee together in the chamber we'll see what it can do as far as advising and whatever that looks like right we'll we'll wait a couple more months before start thinking about it right right all right thank you thank you

I wasn't trying to say anybody on this side can't speak, by the way. Oh, I see. That's okay. You are very welcome to come up if you have anything to say.

Good afternoon. I'm Andrea Watson with Wind River Job Corps, and I will let these young members of our student government associations come in and introduce themselves.

My name is Chance Steinmetz, and I am the SGA president of Wind River Job Corps.

My name is Caden Wendell, and I'm the current treasurer of SGA Wind River Job Corps.

Hi, my name's Destiny May, and I'm the treasurer of SGA's Wind River Job Corps.

And was it, did you say Desi, or?

Destiny.

Destiny.

So this is a new term for our student government association. So they're coming to observe and how the city council works. And hopefully they'll be attending with me at least once a month.

Great. Welcome and glad you're here.

So I've got a couple of things and I'm going to have my handy dandy helpers here, hand them out. So the first one there is an invitation in case you guys have not received them in your emails and your reminders in your emails of the CRC.

Thank you.

Oh, yeah. Thank you. The CRC meeting that we will be having this Friday at 10 a.m. at the CWC Intertribal Meeting Room. I think it's 111 is what that says over there. So we're just going to, you know, have our... quarterly meeting and just kind of give an update on how things are going on our center and what we wish to do and just kind of reintroduce ourselves to the community again we did one kind of last fall, and it was very, very small, but we would hope more of our community members can come out and join us in our CRC meeting. I would really love for more employers and businesses to attend our CRC meeting so they understand what Wondervere Job Corps is, what we do, and how we can help organizations with our work-based learning program.

What kind of employers do you need?

Anything that aligns with our trades.

I was just looking over in that direction for no reason. I was thinking there might be somebody that would align with your trades.

They must be talking about engineering. Feel free to stop by.

Well, you guys all feel free to join us on Friday at 10 a.m. As for our numbers, from June 1st of last year to July 1st of this year, we have successfully graduated and completed 103 students. Out of those 103 students, 63 of them have full-time job trade matches, 17 of them went into apprenticeships, six of them went on to advanced training, four of them went on to college, and two of them joined the military. As of this morning, our current student count is 148 students. Good. So we were trying to do lots of things. I spent all day. Everybody was trying to find me today. It was kind of funny. The one day that you're not on center, everybody all of a sudden wants to find you. But I was going around town and handing out my work-based learning flyers and knocking on employers' doors. Some of them were pretty surprised to see me at their doors at 7 AM this morning. And that's all I have for you guys.

Okay, so the CRC meeting, 10 o'clock, July 24th, this is gonna be at CWC, and you're wanting, in particular, employers, community leaders, partners, supporters. Right. Okay, 10 o'clock.

Yep, at the intertribal building.

Got it. I don't know if I'll be able to make it. I have so many things I'm adding to my calendar right now. I'll do what I can.

All right, sounds good.

Very good to see you Chance, Kaden, Destiny. Thanks for being here. Anyone else? Okay. Let's do the consent agenda and then let's maybe take a break. So consent agenda. Administrative Services Director Harris, please read the consent agenda items by title only.

Yes, Your Honor. Minutes of the July 7th, 2026 Regular Council Meeting. Minutes of the July 21st Finance Committee Meeting. Finance Committee Recommendations for July 21st, 2026. Municipal Court Report for the month of June 2026.

Okay, Finance Committee, what was the recommendation? Thank you, Your Honor.

Finance Committee met at 6.46 p.m. tonight and recommend considerations of claims to be paid in the amount of $572,456.37, Elon credit card in the amount of $6,440.42, manual check in the amount of $1,350, payroll and liabilities for July 10th, 2026, in the amount of $244,933.91 for a total of $825,180.70. Okay.

I'd entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.

So moved. Second.

Motion by Councilman Larson. Second by Councilwoman Borders. Third, which doesn't count, by Councilman Bailey. Any other discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. I vote aye, motion passes. City Council Committee appointments. Did you have a report on that, Mr. Butterfield? Yes, Your Honor, and I'll just be very brief. Oh, well, let's do this and then we'll do the break. Sorry.

Whatever your pleasure is. With the recent resignation of Councilwoman Brothers, it has left vacancies on the committees that she served on or was a liaison to. Therefore, you as mayor have opportunity to appoint members of the council to serve on the committees, boards, or other assignments that Councilwoman Brothers was taking care of. That includes the Youth Council, the Finance Committee, and then also the Fremont County 25 Rec Board. So Your Honor, I would leave it to you to make a recommendation as to who you'd like to be appointed to those positions, and then the Council would have opportunity to confirm your selection.

Thank you. All right, and this is one of the interesting things, because I actually don't get a vote on these anyway. So I just get a recommend them, and then you can vote on them, decide what you want to do. So first, for the Rec Board, I had served on that previously, and My recommendation would be that I would take that position at least until we figure out who's gonna be serving in Councilwoman Brothers' position, and then we can consider if we wanna adjust things there. So that was the first one. Second one was the Finance Committee. Typically, that has been newest folks that are on the City Council. That doesn't have to be that way. But I had asked Councilman Larson if he would be willing to do that. And so, and he's agreed. Right, yeah, OK. Just had to make sure and then also again for right now until we kind of figure out if there's going to be any changes or or that sort of thing. Had asked Councilman Carr if he would serve as the youth liaison. Of course, all of these we can make any modifications here after we get a new person on. And frankly, I'd be open to any feedback from anybody on it. If you want to have a modification with what you're serving on, like are you finding that this meeting is one you're not able to get to, this meeting is one that maybe would be a better fit, let me know and we can consider that once we get the change to the council here in about a month. So that would be my appointments would be Tim Hancock for the rec board, Kyle Larson for the finance committee, Eric Carr for the youth council liaison position. Do we have a motion in regards to those? So moved.

Second.

Motion by Councilman Bailey, second by Councilwoman Johnson. Any other discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. Motion passes. Okay, now, 8.07. Let's go ahead and take a recess. Let's go tell 820, is that okay? Is that too long, are we okay? 820? We are back in session, 820, regular meeting of the Riverton City Council, July 21st, 2026, 7 p, well, 820 p.m. Hangar Ground Lease, Five Rivers Jet Center, RIW, Public Works Director's Report, please.

Thank you, Your Honor. Today, the City Council is asked to approve a new ground hangar lease with Five Rivers Jet Center, RIW, at Central Wyoming Regional Airport. as well as terminating an existing lease with Henderson Strategic Fund LLC. This follows the July 2nd transfer of ownership of the hangar at 4690 Airport Road. The new lease in front of you for consideration tonight updates the terms to align with the FAA recommendations and then also protects the airport's interests, including the city's right to, the first right to refuse to purchase, right of refusal in purchasing the hangar. It establishes a 10-year lease with three optional five-year renewals. It outlines maintenance and approval requirements for future improvements, restricts assignments without city approval, and also includes provisions for lease expiration, default, and termination. The lease rate will increase from $0.70 to $0.21 per square foot, and this will be adjusted annually by the Consumer Price Index. The increased annual lease revenue from $2,327.30 to $2,874.90 will bring in an additional $547.60 per year for the airport. The airport board has also suggested terminating the existing lease and approval of the new lease agreement. This is for an existing hanger that is 13,690 square feet. And that's, if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

All right, thank you. To start, I'd entertain a motion to grant ground hanger lease at RIW to Five Rivers Jet Center RIW and terminate the lease agreement with Henderson Strategic Fund LLC.

So moved. Second.

Motion by Councilman Larson, second by Councilman Bailey. Discussion on this item. I would note I appreciate the right of first refusal. Just recently we were considering and looking at possibly purchasing a hangar, so this. Protects that and I think ensures that we have an opportunity if. We have an opportunity to purchase hangers, so that's. Good thing to add to the lease. I appreciate it. Thank you, you bet anything else. Anything else, Mr. Tolman? Did we miss anything?

Your Honor, this is the new FPO operator who purchased this hangar. And so this would then be used for the new FPO headquarters once it's remodeled and put in service.

And I know this has been a long time coming. Appreciate your hard work on this, Mr. Tolman. Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. I vote aye. Motion passes. Next, pause for the cause. Member clarification. Police chief, could you give us your report on this?

Sure, Mayor. Thank you. The City of Riverton passed Resolution 1552 to establish the PAWS for the Cause Committee. The committee is charged with, amongst things, exploring solutions to promote the mutual success of PAWS and the City's shelter needs. Also serving as a five-member board, five-member body appointed by the mayor with the consent of the city council. And it also includes one representative from PAWS, one from the police department, one from a local veterinary clinic, and two members from the community at large. This item was brought for counsel to clarify the appointment of the pause member to the pause for the cause committee. It was nonspecific, just a pause member. And if there was any clarification, we'd be glad to hear anything.

Thank you, Chief. So this came about, there had been... Lonnie Slack had reached out and had said, just the way things have turned out, it's been difficult for them to have the one member that they had had appointed by the council to serve and be there at all the meetings. So the hope was that we could just leave it open, that it would be a member of the PAWS board that would be able to serve and be a voting member. And so I said, well, that to me seems like a good idea rather than saying it's going to be this person. It's going to be a representative from pause that they can appoint for that specific meeting. So I said I'd take it to the council. We could discuss it and see where we're at. Any thoughts?

Your Honor, the only concern that I have with multiple different representatives from PAWS showing up is keeping caught up on the conversations and the direction that we're going. It's hard enough as it is. And having somebody different in that seat every single meeting is going to be impossible for them to stay on top of things. I think it's imperative that we have one person that show up. If the one that was appointed is unable to show up, then send somebody else. But... or appoint somebody else, but having different members from pause at every meeting is gonna be very difficult to stay in line with everything or repeating half of the meeting, what happened at the previous meeting and we get nothing accomplished. So I would ask that we have one person specific to the committee that was the purpose of solving the issues.

Now, who is that right now that we had appointed by resolution?

It was supposed to be Ashley Solon, as was their recommendation. She was their new treasurer, and she's not attended any of the meetings.

Hasn't been able to yet?

No. At the first meeting, Ms. Kellerhill was present. The second meeting... miss keller hall and mr slack were present the third meeting it was mr slack and going forward we don't know who it's going to be so it's difficult to get anything nailed down with multiple different views it's difficult i understand mr bailey well i would agree with what karen's saying because you know the rest of the committee members don't get to say well oh i can't make it i'm going to send larry You know it, it makes it a little tricky and it's about it's a voting member, right?

You know. What if Larry wants to attend? Well, he's going to tend, but not as a member. And you know Karen and I are the liaisons for the city. You know, and you know, we're not going to just say, oh well, I can't go car. Why don't you go this time? Or you know, it's it's hard to keep up with some of these issues. when you're there all the time, no less if you're missing.

And that means if Carla went for me, I'd have to talk to her to find out what happened.

And, you know, you'll always lose something in the translation.

And so... And I do know we do that sometimes. I mean, we have done that, I think. It's very easy to do. We often have sent other council members in our place, whether it was for youth council or anything like that, when people have not been able to attend...

Well, we used to trade Mike and the previous councilman on the airport board, but, you know, when you lose that constant, constanticity, you lose connection, you lose the conversation. It's a bad idea.

Okay. Councilman Carr. Yeah, I would agree. And I think also for the public at large, because we have named committee members, for them to contact someone that's on that committee, it becomes important for consistency. If they want to delegate, you know, a secondary name that can come instead of the designated representative, that's fine. But I think just for consistency's sake and for the public at large, if they have questions or if they have ideas, they can pass that along to a consistent person that's going to show up.

your honor so having been privy to the pause meeting earlier tonight the subject came up and the two that they're talking about are devon and lonnie primarily devon there's just a couple times where she can't be there so they want to make sure that they're represented So if they could maybe have a secondary person that could vote that maybe primarily be Ms. Kellerhall, I'm not sure what everyone else thinks about that, but.

But the person we had appointed initially as their, okay, Mr. Butterfield, you're shaking your head.

Your Honor, I think just for clarity purposes, I'm going back to the minutes from June 2nd when the appointments were made. It states that the motion, let's see, Council Member Bailey moved, seconded by Council Member Johnson, to appoint Kimberly Prelitz as the veterinarian representative, Chancey Wazelski and Amanda Wood as the at-large members of the pause for the cause committee. Those were the only members that you appointed as a council. You deferred to PAWS to allow them to select or appoint their representative because the resolution allows for a representative from the police department who's been designated as our animal control officer and then PAWS was able to select their own member. It was not selected by council action.

Thank you for the clarification, Mr. Butterfield. And now that you say that, that was my recollection as well. They had brought forward the possibility, I think, of having Ashley, but I don't think it was something that we actually, that wasn't the motion, it was just the way the resolution was, it would be an appointment from them, basically.

They would select.

So the way that our resolution reads right now, I'm not mistaken then is it's kind of like when we have different things where we say it's basically the city administrator or his designee and often would be something where mr. Butterfield would have a designee that would be a senior staff member so the way the resolution would read right now then I think would be in line with what they were wanting to do which is

able to have a voting member there just as they choose your honor oh oh go ahead i'm so sorry to interrupt but i thought it may be helpful if you want me to just to read that paragraph from the resolution to make sure that you have that before you So this provision states, whereas the membership of said committee shall consist of five members appointed by the mayor with the consent of the city council, wherein one member will come from PAWS, one member will come from the police department, one member will come from a local veterinary clinic, and two will come from the community at large.

So maybe what we need to have. So then it sounds like we didn't ever officially appoint one from PAWS. maybe what we need then is pause to actually say who they want to have. And it sounds like the discussion from the council is whoever it is that they're wanting to have there, we want to have that for consistency be one person. But it doesn't have to be Ashley or anything like that. It could be whoever can put in the time.

Yeah, whomever they want present is fine. I don't care, but they need one consistent person there so we can.

Resolve the issues well that let's fix it.

Mr Carr, I I guess do we need to take action then or just? Recommend that they select a designee.

I think that just be it. I think probably what we would do is add this to another. Add this to our next meeting as an appointment of a of a pause. Committee or pause for the cause committee member who would serve. For pause, and they would bring forward the name and we would. Prove it and appoint them your honor.

I believe that's accurate because this provision states. That it's the membership will consist of those appointed by the mayor with the consent of the city council. Paws had previously communicated that Ashley would serve in that role, but as has been communicated, that consistency is a concern. And so, yes, they could bring forward another name and you could formally make that appointment. And to follow the letter of the law, you should probably do the same for the representative from the police department.

I was just thinking that as you were noting that that. we would wanna have that be someone that would actually be voted on and approved by the council as well. So what I would ask then, if you can reach out to PAWS or Mr. Butterfield or the chief can reach out to PAWS, have them bring forward a name. Chief, if you could bring forward a name. I already know who it is, but if you could do that and then we'll have that be a formal appointment that we'll take care of at our next meeting. And Chancey, you're still on.

So, Your Honor, do we need to vote this down tonight?

I don't think we even need a motion. This was just trying to get some clarity and figuring it out.

So we have a plan moving forward. Next meeting, we'll approve an official person.

Yep. Get them designated. thanks for the discussion i appreciate that the the clarification and also to me i was just thinking hey it's fine i don't i don't mind who it is just as long as it's somebody that they have but expressing the difficulty that that has created in the committee so far that's good to be able to have that insight and so i appreciate that and the insight in terms of you know the idea had previously been an individual and that's got to change and so we can figure that out Okay, great, we'll move on. Next up, Professional Services Agreement with Ardura Group Inc. Passenger Facility Charge Application

Mr. Tolman, again, please. Thank you, Your Honor. The recommendation in front of the council tonight is to approve task order 2026-01 with Ardara Group Inc. This is in the amount of $25,810. This will assist the city in preparing and submitting a new passenger facility charge, or PFC, application to the Federal Aviation Administration, or FAA. the pfc program allows airports to collect up up to four dollars and fifty cents per employment pastures um per flight segment to help fund faa approved capital projects so in the past central wyoming regional airport has previously used pfc funds for major improvements including the commercial terminal building way back safety equipment also runway rehabilitation And then it was found, so as the council's aware, that we recently submitted PFC application number four. When that was done and we were going through the budgeting period, we identified additional eligible projects, basically between PFC application number three and number four, and so we're able to put together this PFC application number five. So then under this task order, Ardura will manage the application process, coordinate with the FAA, identify and refine eligible projects, conduct required airline consultation and public notice, prepare and submit the FAA application, and then provide required airline notifications. The application includes funding for projects such as the taxiway rehabilitation, snow removal equipment, the airport master plan, which is ongoing right now, apron and parking lot rehabilitation, and then the self-serve fuel station, which we're working through right now, as well as firefighter equipment, and then the PFC, the administration of the PFC application itself. So the project is expected to conclude with the FAA approval in March of next year, March 2027. The $25,810 is eligible for a PFC expense, and then can be reimbursed through the PFC revenues resulting in no impact to the city's general fund. Thank you, Your Honor. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

Thank you. I'd entertain a motion to approve Task Order 202601 with Ardura Group Inc. in the amount of $25,810 to assist the City of Riverton in preparing and submitting a new PFC application to the Federal Aviation Administration.

So moved. Second.

Second.

Motion by Councilman Bailey. Second by Councilman Carr. which doesn't count by Councilman Larson. I know how it goes. Sometimes I need to reboot and by that I mean my brain. Any other discussion?

Just real quick, I think it's important to remind people that these funds get matched for a 39 to one ratio. Because we get 97% to our 2.5%. It's a great match.

And I want to know, who was the one that, was it Ardura or was it our staff that was like, hey, we can do a lot more than we're doing? Mr. Butterfield. So he was checking all the P's and Q's and said, hey, we can be doing more with these funds. Well, thank you, Mr. Butterfield.

Nice job.

All right, any other discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed say nay. Aye vote aye. Motion passes. Next up, Memorandum of Understanding, Law Enforcement. Police Chief's report, please.

Thank you, Mayor. The City of Riverton participates in an MOU with other city and county agencies within Fremont County to enable assistance beyond normal jurisdictional boundaries. Communities across Fremont County, normal large events as well as special enforcement will usually require additional resources than locally available. This MOU provides ability to render assistance to respective communities pursuant to Wyoming State Statute 72106B. The city has been under a similar MOU with Fremont County Sheriff's Office, Lander Police Department, Shoshone Police Department, and Dubois Police Department for several years. uh the mou has that is attached contains some minor language changes you have a redline version essentially is the same except for those minor grammatical changes Staff is asking City Council to approve renewal of this year's MOU with local and county law enforcement agencies to enable peace officers to render assistance across jurisdictional boundaries.

and authorize me as your chief law enforcement agent and the mayor to perform signatures on the mou agreement with that your honor council will stand for any questions all right i'd entertain a motion to approve renewal of the mou with local and county law enforcement agencies regarding uh rendering assistance across jurisdictional boundaries so moved

Second.

Motion by Councilman Carr, second by Councilwoman Johnson. Discussion on this item?

Your Honor, I do have one question for the Chief, if I may.

Yes, please.

The only agency not listed on here is BIA. Is that a separate MOU that you have in place, or we have in place, or is there a reason why they're not included in the MOU?

Because of jurisdictional restraints, we would have to do a separate MOU, and our officers would have to complete a separate course in order for us to cross into federal lands. We do have a mutual emergency assistance that we can offer, but for routine large events, we would have to establish a separate MOU because of the federal lands.

Okay. Thank you.

Any other discussion? Chief I. I am curious. And it's a little bit. I appreciate that. They're trying to solve a problem here. Which is that the idea would be if there is a new. Chief or a new sheriff. or a new mayor that they don't have to go through and get the whole thing signed again. But the issue that I have is it would turn into a situation where a current chief or a current mayor or current people that are in the office are binding future folks that could be elected. So our sheriff right now might not have a problem with it, but we have an election coming up for the sheriff. We have an election coming up for the Lander mayor, who has the authority to appoint a police chief. We have an election coming up for the Riverton mayor, who is one of seven votes to approve the appointment of a police chief. I hesitate that language, although in theory it makes sense, I don't like it. I think it would make much more sense to allow folks to, when they get elected, the language we had previously, which is full force in effect from the date it's executed, remain in effect for a period not to exceed one month beyond the current term of office. That's the issue I have with it. I get trying to change it, but...

Your Honor.

Yes, sir.

It also has language that says anybody can get out of it within X number of days. I can't remember what it said. And so I think it gives the ability for a city or department to exit the agreement if they don't want to stay in it. So I think... I think that sort of balances it out and I think we're better off to err on the side of cooperation, not having it automatically end at a certain piece and then that goes away and then we get into a jurisdictional funky spot where last week they could do something and this week they can't without officially creating a document that says that.

And it's a good point. I mean, you could say it's pretty similar to say that 45 days is pretty similar to what would be the 30 days previously.

Maybe this is gross oversimplification, but I think the states will cooperate until further notice. And that's, I like that. Until they choose to get out of the agreement. Exactly. Because I appreciate what you're saying, but I think Like I say, we're going to cooperate until further notice, until we don't want to.

I would agree with Councilman Carr, I think.

The new council could just as easily say, okay, we decide we don't want to be in this agreement anymore and cancel as it would be the other way. I think it's really, and I would think we would want to err on the tune that we did have cross-jurisdictional capabilities.

Well, I agree. That's the only issue I've had with the modifications. As I was thinking about it in an election year for, well, and not only that, too, because then you have the Dubois Police Department, which is getting, they're getting maybe a new mayor. Who knows? Shoshone Police Department could be theoretically getting a new mayor. But I agree. It's kind of six to one, half a dozen to the other. You could reach this agreement and then somebody could come in and they could say, we don't want to do it anymore. So it might be splitting hairs a little bit.

Your Honor, I think in the police department world, it doesn't matter who's sitting in that seat or that seat. Officer safety is number one priority for them and knowing that we have such a sparse location to cover and that deputies rarely have any backup, including Wyoming Highway Patrol, BIA, whether there's a MOU in place or not, I'd be hard pressed to think that nobody would actually respond if an officer needed assistance. So I think it's up to whoever's sitting and see if they don't want to be in the thing. I would agree with Cara. This is a simple way of saying that we're there to help if you need us. It's not there saying we're going to respond to your calls. We're just there in case you need us assistance. So I would honor it.

I thank you, Councilwoman Johnson. The other thing that I thought was very good about this is changed the way that the citations worked. There was some confusion that was getting created in my other job, my full-time job. I don't know if that's the right way to say it. This is Phil's full-time most times. Where we were having some issues with reports. And the idea was who's gonna keep the reports? Who's gonna maintain them? How does all that work? And so the subsection D of paragraph four was very helpful to try to clarify that. So appreciate that. Really good discussion. Any others? Any other takers? All right. Anything else to add, Chief?

No, just. Just comparison and many other states state statute allows cross jurisdictional boundaries. So if a deputy is going through town, another officer has to cross another officers jurisdiction to get to maybe the second half of their city just because the way the geographical outline is. Most states have, if you're a state-certified peace officer, you have state jurisdiction. We're just at the point right now where we still have jurisdiction only where you are hired and sworn in. So unless there is an urgent emergency where an officer, a deputy, higher patrol, Basically, it's an urgent need for assistance where we can automatically go, assuming you would be going through the protocol of getting on the phone, getting the supervisor's authorization. That emergency mutual aid is already in place. But for, let's say, the Friday night cruise or the fair, if we needed to get other jurisdictions to help us out because it's a large event, we'd have to create a new or if we didn't have this in place we'd have to create a mou to allow them to come and help us or likewise us go and help lander or somewhere else if they had a large event fireworks your honor just chief is this also cover like when there's big department meetings and things like that you need additional dispatchers to come in and cover your center so everybody can attend and in that same situation This is more of the enforcement side, but we have a good relationship with Fremont County, and they've come and helped. We've gone and helped them. For this county, we have a good work relationship with everybody. We're all on the same team. We're just trying to get through legal restraints, trying to accomplish the same mission.

Have we had this go through RICC? Yes. Okay. Good. I figured so. One thing I would ask that we do, so has anybody else passed this? Are we the first ones? I don't see any signatures on it yet.

No, I don't know where we're at with everybody else yet.

Before we send this around, could you do me a favor, Chief, before this goes to other agencies and before I sign it? Um, if this gets approved today, which I'm reading, and I think it will, um, could we make it all the same font? Because there's been some copying and pasting and there's different sizes. And I know, you know, if I were an engineer, I'd be like, this number is in the wrong place as a lawyer. I'm like, that is a different font than this. and it drives me absolutely nuts and i'm sorry and there's a random 15 that doesn't have anything after it could we clean it up before we send it on i'll i'll pass it on thank you it drives engineers next does it okay good i thought it might because you were laughing when i said it but glad to see it's not just me oh yeah i hate it People copy and paste things, and I'm like, that is Times New Roman, that is Calibri. Now, not everybody can recognize fonts, and I don't, but I can tell the difference between a serif and a sans serif font. That's all I can do, but I can also tell the difference between a 12-point font and a 14-point font, and it drives me crazy. On that note, anything else? It's a short trip. Call for the question. It is a short trip.

It's not a very long drive.

All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, say nay. I vote aye. Thank you, Chief. If we could clean it up before we get it signed, I'd appreciate it. All right. Next up. Ordinance, proposed ordinance 26005, first reading mechanical code. Mr. Michaud, tell us about this, please.

Thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. May I approach the podium?

Yes, please. As the judge says whenever I'm in the courtroom, you have standing permission to approach the podium, Mr. Michaud.

Thank you.

You know, Kurt, we talk a lot about a lot of different city employees, and I will say we do not give enough credit to these gentlemen here.

Always there to bail us out.

Keep the city running. I have a commitment from Dave Paskett not to keep us here until one, I think.

Thank you, sir. Oh, here he comes. Right here on your desktop.

Go down to, I think, personalization or display. There you go.

Thank you.

Is it display when you right click? That's what I thought. They changed it all with the new windows and I just can't keep up with it.

Thanks everyone for the team effort there. Well, good evening, Your Honor and members of the Council. As you know, my name is Gary Michaud. I'm the Community Development Coordinator. We also have Dave Paskett, our Interim Building Inspector tonight. Dave, thanks for joining us. so we're proposing some updates to the mechanical code tonight and there's kind of two main parts one is updating a lot of the code that is out of date so examples of this are numerous references to wham testing which does not occur anymore and also another example is city required licensing which we stopped a long time ago but we do require registration for contractors The second part of this ordinance proposal is to clarify ambiguities on city code regarding the scope of work for limited plumbers and what they're allowed to complete. Some of you may be asking why is this change needed? And the short answer to this is the code creating the limited plumber certificates was passed many years ago, which exempted certain work typically required to be completed by licensed plumbers. And over the years the work completed by limited plumbers appears to have crept away from the original intent more and more and we need to get back to where the code was intended and have licensed plumbers build plumbing systems. Now this can seem simple but it really can get complicated so I'm gonna take a moment to try and explain precisely what's going on in terms of the scope of work. The city requires that only licensed plumbers who are registered in the city can complete construction work on mechanical systems for water and sewer according to Riverton Municipal Code 15.2.040. And a mechanical system is defined as any and all parts of a respective system, and this is pertaining to water and sewer, that pertains to each trade starting at the water curb stop. So we're looking at right here is the curb stop. We've got the water line going into the house, and we've got the curb stop right here. So it starts at the water curb stop. This is for a mechanical system. from the sewer tap, which is way out here on the main street and the main line, all the way to the house. So again, those are for a mechanical system. and that work must be completed by a licensed plumber. However, in the past, the city passed a municipal code that created a special exemption for limited plumbers. Limited plumbers were then able to complete installation, repair, or replacement of sanitary sewer lines. Again, we're going to go sanitary sewer lateral lines and water service lines, both from the main that's being served to the structure that's being served. Here we see the line of the structure being served. Sorry about this really bright green light. It's the only pointer I had, but it's bright. It was like a lightsaber. This seemed to be pretty clear and worked well over the years, but over time with different employees, departments, and directors overseeing the work, the definition of structure being served seems to have loosened up. For example, how is to the structure defined? The exterior vertical line of the footprint of the structure, is that where it's at? or can limited plumbers complete work going under the slab on the grade before the concrete is poured? How does a crawl space in the foundation fit into this? What repairs are allowed with concrete? And does the city require certified plumbers to complete this work? In 2022, my predecessor Mike Miller attempted to address some of these ambiguities by providing a letter described with what type of work would be allowed for limited plumbers. I'm not going to read this whole letter tonight and go verbatim, but basically he summed it up at that point by saying limited plumbing will 100% end at the penetration in the home area. So you've got crawl space where it goes where the actual vertical space ends on the crawl space. And then if you've got a slab and a plumbing system underneath it, then a limited plumber is allowed to install the plumbing system under the slab. So you're talking about drains and vents and things like that. This issue came to me to the forefront this last September when I received a complaint about an installation. But that was not, it was after the fact and I couldn't verify either way what happened there. But this led to some discontent among contractors and plumbers, not some, I guess a lot. And this ambiguity makes it difficult for me as a community development director or our building inspector to make determinations for what is allowed for a limited plumber. Furthermore, without specific and formal clarification or with just an additional letter from me, on top of another letter four years ago. I felt like this would just lead to confusion for our successors and for the contractors in the future and for them to be able to make judgments. Therefore, to address the situation, I took a comprehensive all-around approach. Our team visited with the Board of Appeals in January. We then held a public meeting on February 23rd, 2026. There were nine attendees and we received several letters. Most but not all the public input supported that plumbers should be completing work on the plumbing systems inside the footprint of the structure, that regular plumbers should license plumbers. We also visited with several plumbers and limited plumbing contractors on a person-by-person basis. I would like to add that since this issue was brought to my attention in September, I have allowed contractors to continue to work under the paradigm of former director Mike Miller's letter. I have been upfront that I would methodically work through this. I am proposing that we clarify this circumstance rather than attempting to address another letter that creates confusion. Again, we feel that the original intent of the code to the structure being served has crept out of the original intent and is not clear. When the work involves the installation of a plumbing system including P-trops and vents, a certified licensed plumber should be completing the work because there are safety issues. Therefore, we are proposing specific changes to the Riverton Municipal Code as we move forward. For simplification, changing the definition of mechanical system for a water line to the corporation stop instead of the curb stop. So again, we've got the curb stop right here. We're recommending that it goes from the corporation stop at the main line to the house. just to simplify things. Adding definitions for building drain and building sewer to Title 15 and updating these same terms to match for Title 13. Specifically defining that limited plumbers are only allowed to install sewer plumbing to the end of the building drain, which with these new definitions is defined as 30 inches away from the structure being served. And then hand in hand with water, specifically defining that limited plumbers are only allowed to complete water service lines up to four feet inside a structure for con to allow for connections. And then number five, allowing for the use of technology for future use such as bursting, but only with special approval from the building official. I would like to point out that there is a very important niche in our community for the limited plumbers to fill and it is important to me that the service continues to our residents. There are limited plumbers in our community that work really hard and they do a great job serving our community. The approval of this proposal will not prohibit a limited plumber from completing work but they would only need to work with a licensed plumber to work on projects where the plumbing system is inside the structure and the house. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Mr. Bailey, go ahead. Do you have a question?

So somewhere in all of this, it said that these folks are not really under a specific code. Is that true? Or is there a limited plumbing code? Or are they following the same instructions in the code that a full blown plumber would, a licensed plumber?

So no, a limited plumber is not in the, we've got the residential code, we've got the plumbing code, and that just states basically what is allowed for safety for plumbing to be installed, all the regulations. Where the regulations come for what's allowed for the limited plumbers is in the Riverton Municipal Code.

Okay, and then do we have a different license, for lack of what to call it,

for the you person that installs the utilities the guy that lays the city water line sewer line etc is is that a different license than a limited plumber your honor that's just a regular license but except for when we're talking about a limited plumber and doing the scope of work that we were discussing with the water and sewer going from the main line to a house or structure i understand so so you've got the utility so i read some of these cities

in Wyoming have a utility license, which means outside of the house, and then they have a plumber's license, which is inside the house. And the plumbers, of course, can do any of that, I think.

Your Honor, that's correct. A plumber can do any of that work.

So the plumber is a higher level license than the utility or the limited?

Your Honor, that's correct. Councilman Bailey, I guess.

Yeah, my question was the guys that we we bid out to do water and sewer line work. What license do they have?

Well, in this case, to do this, they would need to have a limited plumbers.

So for the actual water, the city water line, they do have to have a limited plumbers license.

Your Honor, for actually a city water line, there's an exemption in the city code under limited plumbers that they don't have to have a certification that the city can work with them on a case-by-case basis.

Well, Mike, I guess the point is like when we have Viper Underground or whatever, and I'm just throwing out an example because it was the first one that came to mind because they have kind of a cool symbol, but if they're going to be doing work on city utilities. So we put it out to bid. They go through. They're the lowest bidder. We accept them. We say we want them to do the work. They are the lowest responsive bidder. We're not just, I mean, Tim Hancock, if Tim Hancock were the lowest responsive bidder, we're not going to give that to Tim Hancock because he doesn't know the first thing. So, I mean, in terms of the bid being responsive, we're requiring something. in terms of being able to say they know what they're doing. So what are we requiring in that sense when it comes to the city utility work?

Your Honor, when it comes to the limited plumbers, they have to, our process in terms of them becoming a certified limited plumber, they have to give us a resume of the work that they have done and then both myself, the building inspector, and our public works director, Brennan Thoman, review that before approval.

Okay.

So a case of to be a limited plumber, you have to do limited plumbing, but you can't do it until you have a license. You can't have a license until you do it?

That's kind of like what they do with electricians, though. You want to be an electrician, you've got to start at the bottom of the rung, work your way up.

You've got to work for somebody that had a limited plumbing license.

All right. Well, I appreciate it, Mr. Michaud. Before we go any further, let's go ahead and read the ordinance by title only, then let's have a public hearing, and then let's start our discussion, and then we might drag you back up here for more questions. So Ms. Harris, could you please read Ordinance 26005 by title only?

Yes, Your Honor. Ordinance number 26-005, an ordinance amending Title 15, Buildings and Construction Codes, to revise Chapter 15.12, Mechanical Code of the Riverton Municipal Code, and repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, and providing for an effective date.

I'd entertain a motion to open the public hearing. So moved. Second. Motion by Councilman Carr, second by Councilman Bailey. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. I vote aye. Motion passes. I declare the public hearing open. Anyone in the audience who wishes to speak, please come on up, tell us your name, and tell us your thoughts about this.

Move to close the public hearing.

Second.

Motion to close the public hearing by Councilman Carr, second by Councilwoman Borders. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. I vote aye. Motion passes. Declare the public hearing closed. I'd entertain a motion to adopt ordinance 26005 on first reading.

So moved. Second.

Motion by Councilman Bailey, second by Councilman Carr, with a look like the canary there. I may have a couple comments. I wouldn't be surprised. All right, discussion.

Councilman Carr. Thank you, Your Honor. I think probably my biggest issue would be... This is kind of a tail wagging the dog situation, right? I deeply appreciate the work that our licensed plumbers perform. The issue that I have is where we're drawing that boundary for what the limited plumbers can do. I would recommend or I would feel much more comfortable if we were to say where each of the service lines, either it's the potable side or the sanitary side, where those perforate the building envelope would be the limit of where the limited plumber can take their work to.

Tell us about a building envelope for those of us who usually think about this kind of envelope.

Correct, yes. So basically in the picture there, the building envelope would include the foundation, and the basement if there was one, and then all the way up to the roof. Basically, the space that is conditioned, right, heated or cooled, that does not include crawl spaces. That does not include under slab earthwork. And the reason that I say that is if you need your service line replaced, whether it be on the potable side or the sanitary side, if you need that replaced, it needs to be replaced all the way to the connection to the house. Because inside the home or the commercial building, that space is conditioned. And so the... degradation of that material isn't as likely as it is underground. So if you're going to replace that, you need to replace it all the way to the connection where it makes usually a vertical perforation into the structure. So like I say, I would feel much more comfortable if we were to state that the limited plumber applies to from the main in the right-of-way, generally in the right-of-way, from the corp stop or the sewer main all the way to the vertical perforation of the building envelope.

So then would it be work?

As opposed to the barrier outside of the building. Correct, yep, because then you're leaving a space, and I think that's a bigger, and we've had this conversation, I know Dave and I have had this conversation, Does this follow the letter of the code? No, it does not. Does it follow the intent of the code? I believe it does because, yes, licensed plumbers inside the building or inside the structure should absolutely be working on those because that's public safety, right?

So to clarify, would you be proposing that a limited plumber could do the work under the foundation? Correct. so long as it does not go up correct so anything that would be under foundation before we're actually getting to the point that it is becoming anything vertical basically where it exits the ground now Okay, any other discussion? Mr.

I guess because in the case of a water line specifically, usually you want a continuous pipe from the curb stop all the way to where it comes up and the valve and the meter are going to get mounted. You don't want to break in between there and if the limited plumber can only go to here and the other plumber has to go to here,

You're creating this.

You're creating a place where one has to stop, the other one has to start, so it gets a little tricky.

Or potential delay in construction, yeah, because they just leave it coiled up.

Yeah, you could leave the 30 feet of coil sitting there. Well, then the plumber's got to come fish it through the hole. It's more efficient to do it the other way. But I get, to me, you've got to draw a clear line. Absolutely. and that's where it gets tricky. It's like the 30 inches outside, the 30 inches inside. We wonder if it's 36 inches, not 30, or whatever. I mean, it.

Okay, so your proposal would be rather than what we have in the ordinance here would be to say anything up until a vertical movement of the line could be done by a limited plumber.

vertical perforation of the graph.

Vertical movement perforation. Yep. That's a good word.

Your Honor. Yes, sir. I think this is great discussion and I think it'd be helpful to hear from the community development team as it relates to work that's for a slab on grade because when you have a crawl space or a foundation that vertical penetration point or that flange point is very easy to identify. For plumbing that is directly under a slab on grade, you could have several lines running. And I think it would be helpful to hear from our team on that, because I know they've spent some time looking at all situations as it relates to where that demarcation should be so it's very clear to our inspectors and it's very clear to our contractors in the community okay mr michaud

Thanks, Your Honor. And Dave, if you want to step up, feel free. But yeah, in terms of we do need clarity, we did try and provide some definitions for building drain and building sewer to help provide this clarity. And the building drain ended 30 inches from the structure. But in terms of like, so building slab on slab, you've got the whole plumbing system below. So we'd need to know where that ends. And it sounds like we talked about that crawl space, basements, we just need to have clarity on all that. So as we move forward, five, 10, 15 years in the future, we'll have this all clear for future contractors and community development directors and building inspectors.

Mr. Mayor and Council, so that's why we've taken the definitions right from the plumbing code, residential code, as defining a building drain and a building sewer. A building drain is everything that comes from inside a building, whether residential or commercial, it terminates 30 inches outside. That's where the building sewer starts and goes to the main. The limited plumbing contractor can go right to that point because there is no gray areas. What you have is a slab on gray, a basement. That building drain is all underground underneath the foundation building envelope. The limited plumber believes they're allowed to do that because it hasn't broken into atmosphere air. That's not what the intent of the plumbing code is. So that's why we're trying to get a definite defined line and this is it.

So my question all along when we've been talking about this. And I really appreciate wanting to get some clarity. But. What is it? that a plumber offers that a limited plumber cannot in terms of why we want to draw this line there. And I know you have an answer to that, but that's the question I think from the citizens. I think that's the question probably from the limited plumbers is what is it that they offer?

So a master, I think it takes 16,000 hours to become a master. They also do all the calculations for fixture unit loads, which I don't know if a limited plumbing contractor would do that. He doesn't need to know that. He needs to know what the outlet is, and he's going to carry that same diameter pipe through to the main. So he's not going to design it and know what everything, all the things involved in doing a plumbing system inside a dwelling or building.

That's that's the answer is that you're saying a master plumber is going to be someone that has the experience, the training, the knowledge to be able to say this is a home that has a line that's this big. And the line is this big because of this. Correct. And it needs to stay this big or become bigger, become smaller, whatever it needs to be able to ensure that water that we don't want in the house is leaving the house and water that we do want in the house is entering the house. Correct. Okay.

Your Honor, if I could, and I would defer to our team members because they are the experts, but obviously in the case of sewer, gravity wins the day, and a limited license plumber could understand that concept. But when it comes to location of venting, loads, sizes, P-traps, and designing that system, that's where the journeyman and master becomes so critical because if we don't have a plumbing system or sewer system in a home that's properly vented, that creates a health hazard for that occupant down the line, whoever owns the home. So I wanted to bring up that component as well in addition to what Mr. Paskett shared.

Your Honor. Mr. Larson. But you're talking about new construction. Limited plumbers are doing repairs, not new construction. They're doing the work that you've called every phone number in Fremont County, Casper, and you can't get a plumber. You can get a brain surgeon before you can get a plumber. the limited plumber will show up. And he's only there to repair. He's not doing new construction. So that knowledge of where this vent is and where that drain is and all of that stuff, he's just, all he's doing is repairing. That's what his equipment is.

Okay, tell me about that. Is that pretty accurate? Because if we're gonna do new construction, wouldn't we be generally, that would be a contractor that's doing that?

Your Honor, yeah, so limited plumbers do both. They do the new construction and then they also do repairs. But what we're saying is if they're doing repairs and they're down there doing work on a plumbing system that they should work with a plumber while they're taking care of those repairs. They do go down there, they bust out the concrete, that's hard work, they take care of that and that's respectable. When I've called,

didn't call me i didn't well of course i wouldn't call you i wasn't in jail this is but i might be um but when you call for repairs you can't get a response so why the certain uh Why now? Follow the money. Well, it's because the repairmen are making money now because the stuff they're working on is old, it's worn out, it's being replaced. And so you're saying that in addition to the equipment that individual has, he needs an on-site plumber to look over his shoulder? And that benefit is...

Yes, Your Honor, so that plumbing systems can be installed correctly by a licensed plumber.

So when I first started talking about this, or thinking about this, and had conversations with people about it, and I... This is not my forte, as I've already said. But the thing that comes to mind for me is I have a line... and Mr. Carr knows this because he's my neighbor, and he probably knows the difficulty I've had with it, that goes towards the irrigation under our property. And we have had PVC pipe for many years there, and some of it broke. I don't remember what all happened. And me, with my very great knowledge of plumbing and PVC-ing, you know, and YouTube, went out and replaced that PVC. And if I'm just going to sit there and replace the PVC, and I replace it with like parts, that's a different story than if I have to go through and modify it. So I tried to get fancy and I tried to modify it. My modifications led to freezing of that line. And that's kind of what we're talking about here is if I'm just gonna be replacing something, that's something different than modifying or changing or doing something that's going to be ensuring a future, so to speak, for the line. But it's still a hard question because I'm very surprised right now considering some of the feedback that I've had both from plumbers and the limited plumbers that there's nobody out here talking. We have some letters here, which I appreciate that you included. but it's a very empty room for the kind of conversations that people have tried to have with me about this.

Your Honor.

Councilwoman Johnson.

I appreciate the diagram to give us some things um but my concern lies with the fact this was handled four years ago by letter there's not that i could find any appeals that's ever taken place to the way it was at that time and i think that we've allowed limited plumbing for the last four years and they've spent significant money purchasing equipment and growing their businesses and looking forward economically, if other limited plumbers come into the area, then they're limited in what they're able to do and probably not likely to stick around very long. I mean, I agree with Councilman Carr. For the most part, what I would say is that the language that's no longer in play or serves a purpose to the ordinances. We probably need to clean up and just tidy up our ordinances a little bit, but I would say leave it as is. I would recommend grandfathering people in, but going forward, I think that limits anybody else from being able to open up and conduct business in that manner too.

Well, also resale. I don't know, but can you grandfather and resell a grandfather?

There's also... a little bit of consumer responsibility too. I think that people hiring anybody should have the duty to do the research and make sure that they're reputable people to be able to do the job and that they don't have multiple complaints logs against them or whatever. Most people having that kind of work done has done their research. And I believe most of them carry their own insurance for the work that they do. So I don't know. I'm...

Your Honor, just that Councilwoman Johnson, to clarify, all contractors are required to carry liability insurance.

Do they list the City of Riverton on their insurance policy to relinquish all contractors, all permits have that? All contractors have the City of Riverton listed as not responsible?

Your Honor, yes. On that bottom left-hand corner of the liability insurance, it says City of Riverton.

Okay.

Councilman Bailey.

Your Honor, thank you. I guess I have a real problem with grandfathering because then you end up with this guy can do this and this guy cannot do this and this guy can only do this. And so, you know, I think we have to have a rule that's consistent across the entire industry. And then the licensed plumber would have to follow the rule. and he could either do that work himself or hire the limited plumber to do the line from the main to the house, which is, I think, what happens most of the time. And to me, we've gotta make it concise. So again, if we're gonna do to the building envelope, To me the question becomes how you address the water line needing to go inside the envelope where the sewer line may not need to do that because it can be glued together where the water line normally is not. So to me that's the factor and I understand that they've been doing it differently but we have to have a firm line that's easily defined and everybody can understand. because that's where we get into trouble.

Well, see, and that's where I think I really appreciate that Mr Miller was trying to create clarity. But what we should have done at that time was actually get an ordinance before the Council, because really all that Mr Miller did is said this is how I'm going to interpret it as the Community Development Department, the director and as the building inspector. But the reality is the city by ordinance could have been making this change from the very beginning. And I understand for someone who's been relying on that, but really, what you're relying on is practice rather than what the city is actually saying is the ordinance. So whether it's that we agree with what we had done or we do something new, whatever else we do, I think just relying on what we have done so far it either needs to be enshrined in code or something else needs to be enshrined in code so that we don't have confusion going forward and I think that's so I might not know a lot about plumbing but I do know about laws and I can tell you it's a lot better to have something that's written down than just saying this is how I'm going to interpret it you want to go to court and have it be at the discretion of the judge I would rather not you know

I don't want it to be at the discretion of the inspector. I want something finite, because then when Dave quits for the 13th time, You don't get a new guy, and he changes his mind and does it all different. Well, then that causes chaos in the market.

And I think that's where we've been missing, and that's where I appreciate Mr. Michaud bringing this to us and saying, I've been operating under a certain way of doing this. I've gone. I've looked at it. I've tried to figure out the different ways to do it. Dave is saying I've been doing this since before – Tim Hancock was born. I know what it's all about, and I'm joking, Dave. But so I do think whatever else we do, the solution needs to be an ordinance code-based solution rather than just relying on interpretation. So that's my way of saying whatever else we do, let's have it in writing, have three readings, get it done that way so that these guys aren't out there taking the bullets for us when we should be the ones getting the decision.

For over 20 years, it was inspected exactly the same because I did it. And I know what the intent was. And that's what we're trying to get defined right now.

Okay. Any other discussion? So, Where are we at?

Are we ready to vote? Ready to table it and have them go back and get us a better example.

Is that your motion is to table it?

Yes. Or just add modifications to it. Just to say where the demarcation line is. Because that's what I would like to see. And then just move the ordinance forward. Because I think it's important to move the ordinance forward.

I agree. But right now, let's see where we're at with the motion. Withdraw mine. Oh, you're withdrawn. OK. Motion to table it was withdrawn. So if there's any modifications anybody wants to have, or tabling, or other cussing and discussing, open to it all.

Just discussing. Do I need to make a motion to modify?

Yes. I would move to modify the language to take the demarcation between limited and licensed to be the building envelope.

I second.

OK motion and and to be clear because we have definitions of terms here building drain. Building sewer where what exactly are you proposing as to the change here?

Need to be modified. I mean the definitions are fine. Sorry I gotta get there.

And then is your proposal also to add a definition for building envelope? Or is that just a term of art everybody's got to know?

Building envelope is the physical barrier between a building's conditioned indoor space and the unconditioned outdoor environment.

Okay. Do we want to add that as a definition as well then? Is that your motion?

Yes.

Okay. Just being clear. Okay. So your motion is to modify this as such Well, and let's get that clear. What are we, what's the language we're changing here? Uh, uh, sorry.

Your Honor. Yes, sir. As you work this as a council, an option you have is to give us direction to bring in these items and then we can work with legal to make sure that we're bringing forward something that is comprehensive to the existing ordinance that's not changing. And then in the spirit of what you're directing us to do, that way you're not having to come up with the language verbatim. You have that option. Please know that. But if you'd also like to give us direction as far as what you'd like to add in, then staff can work on the specifics of the language, have legal review it, and then bring it back on second reading. That's fine.

I would agree with that because I don't want to provide verbiage that might be in conflict with other areas of the code. Whereas if they can review it, because really all we're doing is we're backing that line up from 30 inches away from the foundation. to the vertical penetration into the.

Okay. So your proposal is to modify this so that the language would indicate that the limited plumbing may be done up until the building envelope. Correct.

And then into the building envelope. Yes. Yes.

And then. also include a definition of building. Yes, OK, that's the motion.

That's the second question. So does that that fits for the sewer line for sure? Does that fit the water line? Because I guess then the water line could come in wherever the water line comes up. That would be the penetration at the envelope at that point.

Yeah, because if it's a fire line, it's going to perforate the building somewhere, probably on the outside of the building. And once it's in. If it's coming onto the foundation and up into the crawl space of the building or the slide on grade, as soon as it perforates the building envelope, licensed plumber.

So is this consistent with then what Mr. Miller had been allowing? Maybe. What's the difference, Mr. Paskett?

With what we're saying with the... Your Honor, I'm so sorry. Did we get a second on this motion? Mr. Bailey.

Thank you, Your Honor. This is exactly what Mr. Miller was trying to clarify, and it didn't clarify it. Because you have a slab on grade, you have a basement. A limited plumber believes that it hasn't broke the surface of the end flow. They're allowed to do that. By definition, all the codes that we enforce, that is the building drain done by a licensed fund. So you need to define that so we know what to define here. Because that, Mr. Miller's letter, his intent was good. Did not define it well enough. That's why we're here today.

But if we defined it as the building envelope and we used the definition from Mr. Carr, you're saying there would still be some confusion?

Absolutely. You have building drain.

I think you guys get confused about a lot of things.

Building drain is the drain inside the structure.

Gotcha.

Now, until it breaks the surface, the envelope, the thermal envelope, all that under slab, you're saying is okay by a limited licensed plumber. When in fact, every code we enforce and adopt says that's the building drained by a licensed plumber.

So you're saying that's inconsistent with other codes in terms of the, what is it, some of the acronyms that we use?

The ICC?

So not the IBC, but the ICC.

Your Honor, it's the International Residential Code, International Plumbing Code, International Mechanical Code. All three of those are defined exactly the same. And that's all we're trying to follow is exactly what they're written. There's no gray area.

Okay, so then.

If they don't have to abide by that because they're not full-on licensed plumbers or with all the hours.

I still want to follow the code, whether you're licensed or not.

Well, yes, but would that not just apply to full-blown licensed plumbers?

No. Your Honor.

Hold on.

Councilman Conner.

So as I said earlier, does it follow the letter of the code? No. But because we are the AHJ, the authority having jurisdiction, we can provide for modifications to that as to what we're going to accept. And so what I would recommend is because, yes, technically it's the building drain, which ends at, what, 30 inches outside the foundation. What I would recommend, say, is supplement that to say limited plumbers can work on the service line or the outside the foundation as well as the building drain until it perforates the building.

Your Honor, we can work on this if this amendment passes and I think the questions that have come forward are good. First, it was raised whether or not the water service should penetrate because of the joints that you don't want to have exterior versus interior. And then as it relates to the envelope and where the plumbing system for sewer starts or stops for the limited license versus a full plumber. We can work on that. A question for the council, I think, and what I think our team is trying to communicate is for slab on grade, It's not just one collection point with a building sewer line. There are several internal plumbing points that work underneath that slab that could penetrate multiple locations depending on the requirement of that building. And so in the instance of a crawl space or a building that has a basement, there's usually one central point. that serves almost like a collection that then exits either under the facility or through the facility's wall. But with the slab on grade, there are several penetration points that would meet the definition that's being proposed right now where they would come up through that envelope. So anything underneath there could be worked on by this proposal. And we can work on that language, but I think that's important for you to understand or to bring into concept that it's not just one penetration point for a slab on grade, it's multiple. And at each of those points, it may be required that there is a vent or some other requirement per the International Plumbing Code. I hope I've helped describe that. It's hard to define without a visual, but we can work on that. But I just wanted to make sure that we understand the spirit of what the council's wanting to do here.

Your Honor, because even with a basement, it could have a toilet here and a sink and shower here that are underneath the slab.

True.

So there isn't always just a clean out right where you come through the basement foundation. So again, to me, it might be clear just to say at the exterior of the building, other than the water line has to be treated separately, right? So how are you guys proposing to do the water line piece as opposed to the sewer line piece?

The water, excuse me, mayor and council, the water line, that's why Gary said to it, it could extend four feet inside the building envelope. So they can take that and dig it in and they can put a coil right there. And then wherever they need to go with that coil, whether it's back underground or the other side, there are no joints. There's not that extra joint to make that connection outside the building line.

Cause you don't want the coil on the outside of the building.

No, we want to get inside there. No, no extra joints. and then they can take that whatever length they need and run it to where they need to be.

All right, well, let's see where we're at with the motion and the second, which was to modify this to be where it would be until we're penetrating the envelope. And then, of course, defining envelope. Let's see where that goes. And then just go from there. So. The motion was originally for passage of Ordinance 26006. Now there is a motion to modify that. As has been indicated, all in favor of passage of the amendment, which would be modifying this so that it would be penetration of the envelope, say aye.

Aye.

And those opposed say nay. Nay. Sorry, changed my mind.

I was like, did I vote the wrong way?

We have two ayes, three nays. I'll vote nay. So that's two ayes, four nays. Okay, so the amendment failed. I think Mia.

Mr. Mayor, may I please get a count of the nay votes at the rolls?

Mayor Hancock, Councilwoman Johnson, Councilman Larson, Councilman Bailey. Aye votes were Councilman Carr, Councilwoman Borders.

Thank you.

We're going to take this out to the playground after this. Hide it out.

Just bringing it a little cleaner.

Okay. So we're now on the main motion, which was passage of Ordinance 26006 as written. I think we've had a lot of time to talk about this. Let's see where we're at.

Go for the question.

All in favor of passage of Ordinance 26006 on first reading say aye.

Aye.

Those opposed to passage of Ordinance 26006 say nay. Nay. Nay. I'm in favor of 26006, so we have as I, Councilman Bailey, Mayor Hancock, nay votes, Councilwoman Johnson, Councilman Larson, Councilwoman Borders, Councilman Carr. So Ordinance 26006 fails on first reading. Which means it fails. I guess I can only speak for myself. I still think that Code work is what we need to do. So whatever that looks like, let's keep looking at it because I don't want to be relying on practice or just a letter from a previous community development director. That's just my opinion. So if we can kind of maybe consolidate some of what has been discussed here, come forward with some different language or ideas and see if we can reach some consensus of some sort. And if we need to, we will take it out to the flagpole. All right. Moving on, PFAS class settlement discussion. Mr. Thoman, thank you for being here, Mr. Paskett, and for coming back to us multiple times. And for your work, Mr. Michaud.

Yeah, my pleasure, Your Honor.

All right, Mr. Thoman. Sorry, Your Honor. Are we good to go?

Your Honor, I believe we need to address item 18 on the agenda before we move to item 19. Oh, did I skip 18?

Oh, I, for some reason, kept on calling the one we were talking about, 26006, and it was actually 26005. I apologize, thank you. Next up, public hearing and consideration of ordinance 26006, first reading, public services. Mr. Michaud again.

Oh, thank you, Your Honor. Yeah, these are just definitions for building sewer and building drain. And this was aligned with the previous agenda item, Ordinance 26005. So my recommendation at this time would be to not pass this resolution.

Well, what we could do then, if you think this is kind of tied in with that, that we could just not consider it. We don't even have to have a vote and then strike it down. Is everybody OK? Considering this was tied in, we'll just not consider item 18. OK. All right, then that moves us on to 19, PFAS class settlement discussion. Mr. Tolman, thank you, Ms. Harris, for keeping us on task.

Thank you, Your Honor. Before you tonight is the recommendation to consider a retainer agreement with a law firm authorizing the city to enter in a class settlement for PFOS or PFOS that was detected in airport well number two. And this began in 2023 by the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, which first established the maximum contaminant levels as well as recordable limits or trigger levels for six per and polyfluoroalkyl substances, or PFAS and PFOS substances. So these are chemicals that can be found in the drinking water. When initial testing was completed on all points of entry into the Riverton system, it was found that Riverton's airport number two had one of the PFAS chemicals detected. After a retest of the initial hit in November of 2023, it was found that the well was okay. This past March, however, indicated that a PFOS test had a level of 2.6 nanograms per liter, and it was discovered the trigger level for recording for this particular PFOS is 2.0 nanograms per liter. And then the maximum contaminant level MCL is 4 nanograms per liter. So since the detection of this compound, this well has been taken offline when that test was discovered. So it's no longer in service. So, which brings us to today, on December 15th, 2025, a judge order set the deadline of July 31st of this year for municipalities to join a class action settlement with 3M, or against 3M and DuPont, two major manufacturers of aqueous foam forming foam, or AFFF, which is used at the airport. This is known to be a contributor of PFAS and PFOS point sources. This order allows cities to submit a phase two action fund claim form and enter into a settlement class as a settlement class member. So since this time multiple firms have contacted the city about joining the settlement, earlier in this year the staff and myself met with Class Action Capital and also Environmental Litigation Group, ELG. They're joint firms that work together to help the city to file and enter in the settlement. didn't take them up on that and then recently a law firm called bartlett law contacted the city and kenneth bartlett who i spoke with who has a very knowledgeable staff and also spoke with our attorney on on the issue after talking with ken bartlett he offered to um change his retainer fee from what is the normal 33.3 fee to a 25 fee um if the city would like to enter into this settlement so so the approximate amounts of the city might be eligible for depending on the flow rate of the well they're dependent on the flow rate of the well excuse me And then the level of PFAS detected in this is anywhere between 200 and 300,000. The last estimate was about 240,000. Any law firm that the city chose to go with would then pull their retainage amount off of that. So... These funds are not restricted, though it is fairly conclusive that more stringent regulations are coming. And then by opting into this, the city would be able to claim any wellheads until 2030. It does not preclude the city from any other defendants that could settle in the future. I don't want to answer any questions the council may have on this.

OK, appreciate it. I didn't retain a motion to consider a retainer agreement with the law firm. Either of the two, I suppose authorizing the city enter into a class settlement for PFA OS. It was detected at airport well number two.

So moved second.

Motion by Councilman Bailey, second by Councilman. Is your proposal to be, well and I guess we can discuss and figure out which one. Right now you're saying you're wanting to consider. Discussion on this? Mr. Soller's have an opinion? Trying to remember, we had talked about this a little bit.

Your Honor, I can help with that. Anytime we're looking at engaging in a type of lawsuit or class action, I think our city attorney should weigh in. He was provided materials as it relates to this settlement opportunity, and he also spoke with representatives of the firm that Brendan or Mr. Toman mentioned. Mr. Sollers believes that there's no negative consequence or impact or... uh issue that we should be considering before entering into or participating into this lawsuit so he he says you should find a firm that basically charges the least amount as far as the percentage and that way you as a city can maximize the amount that you'd receive in the settlement because we qualify for this due to the positive tests for PFAS, PFOS, that's public information. It's not like we would be disclosing anything as part of our participation or admitting fault or guilt. So Mr. Soller said if the council desires to participate in this, he sees no adverse consequence to that. Staff has also worked with other municipal entities, particularly airports. They have chosen not to participate in some of these settlements for various reasons based on their legal counsel. But Your Honor, your counsel feels that if the city council wishes to join this, you may do so without any concern from his part.

And it sounds like his recommendation would be probably then with Mr. Bartlett from Bartlett Law Office, PC. Is that basically if we wanted to maximize what the city would be able to get?

Your Honor, Mr. Sollers doesn't make a recommendation as far as which law firm you participate in, but based on the information Mr. Tolman provided, I think that they are the firm that is seeking the least amount as far as a percentage share. All of these law firms will end up being party to the firm that's filing this, and it will be very similar no matter who we choose to work with. So based on the fee, I think you'd be just fine with what you're doing.

Well, and I also kind of like the fact that Mr. Bartlett reached out directly to Mr. Sollers. Any other discussion? And then the motion was just to leave it at staff discretion to decide who to, is that clear enough for the motion that staff would be able to determine the law firm?

And your honor, maybe if you grant signatory authority to staff, we can sign the participation documents and get going.

I think that's what I heard from Mr. Bailey with his motion.

I heard that. That's why I seconded.

Yep. I think that's where we were at. Any other discussion?

we know how this got in there how what how this contaminant got there well can we prove that it came from somewhere we have a background of it the reason that this is mr toman how about you tell us i've talked about this before but you are better at it

Your Honor, members of the council, you can't prove it. What this is saying is that AFFF is a possible... Can you hear me? No, you can't prove it. What this lawsuit is saying is AFFF is a known contaminant and AFFF is sprayed in that area. and how it got into the well and how we're detecting it now is not conclusive, but it was detected for PFAS.

And the point is, if I'm not mistaken, Mr. Tolman, correct me if I'm wrong. This is a known substance that was being used, generally speaking, for fire suppression, fire retardant, particularly with airports. Part of federal regulations in terms of making sure, you have to be using this to be fighting fires at airports or whatnot. Is that correct? Correct, Your Honor. So when you're talking about fire suppression at airports, it was particularly using things that are suspected, and that's part of why you get involved in a lawsuit, is you're trying to prove this is where it comes from and that sort of thing. suspected to be the source of PFAS, and that's why in particular you would see this in the airport well, but have not seen it in other wells. Why? Because regularly as part of airport fire drills, that kind of thing, substances that may have contained PFAS were being sprayed around as part of the regular order of business.

So we're suing ourselves because we mandated ourselves to use this product in safety?

Here's what I would say to be very clear. Federal aviation requirements have been for years, and that's why this is at airports to be using these kinds of substances. So the point is, is the lawsuit would be against the ones that are actually producing it, to say you are the source of this contaminant am i missing anything you don't know that's exactly correct yeah i went to a class on it so that's and your honor if it's okay i think by participating in this we're not um making a statement of culpability

or anything of that nature. Basically, we're just saying we're participating so that we can receive these funds to assist us with our water system. We are eligible because of the two positive tests that have occurred recently. It's also important to note that these forever chemicals, PFAS, PFOS, are present in makeup, Gore-Tex, nonstick pans Scotchgard in your carpet These these chemicals are are very prevalent in our society this settlement particularly centers just on DuPont and 3m's production of materials a triple F being one of them that contain PFAS and PFOS and

So if you were going to be spraying your shoes, that was a thing that people would sell. Hey, make your shoes completely waterproof. That's the kind of substance we're talking about. And so... part of the benefit, I guess, of joining a class is that we actually get to be involved, get to be, woohoo, we're so excited, in a lawsuit that has possible payouts down the road, which would be able to alleviate things like having to move a well or that kind of thing where we have had a positive test. Now, we've been very proactive. Once we had positive tests at this well, we immediately were like, we're not gonna use this well We don't want to create any issues going forward. We've not had any other wells that have been testing positive. The explanation in terms of the FAA requirements and that kind of thing help explain it, why it would be that well in particular, but we also don't have all the answers. It could have been somebody who was particularly big on putting on makeup, who would hang out over at that well every day. I'm saying this in jest, but you know what I mean? Just in terms of where it could come from, there's a lot of different sources.

And your honor, maybe to belabor this. I think the city has been very proactive at your last meeting. You approved our plan to seek funds through the State Land Investment Board to relocate this well. These funds from the settlement could be used to match that and also support that plan that's already in place. And I will mention just in the Spirit of levity, it's also found in the bags for microwave popcorn, or it used to be.

So any of our airport employees have been eating a lot of microwave popcorn.

All right, any other discussions on this?

Call for the question.

All in favor of the motion, which was to enter into a retainer agreement at the discretion of staff, granting them signatory authority... To enter into class action settlement for PFAS. Say aye. Aye. All those opposed say nay. I vote aye. Motion passes. Thank you, Mr. Tolman.

Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, members of the council.

All right, next item, outdoor donation discussion. Councilwoman Johnson.

be brief thank you your honor um some of you may have been contacted some not but i have received increasingly a lot of complaints about outdoor donation areas being open to the public dropping unattended that kind of stuff as an owner of a thrift store myself i don't allow that for specific reasons, cleanliness reasons, littering reasons, all that kind of good stuff.

Wind reasons.

Wind, what it attracts when it's not monitored. So I'm just wondering if the council would be interested in exploring with me developing a ordinance that would still allow for donations to be accepted but in a more contained, clean area for the community and surrounding areas and businesses, homes. that have to endure the donations being scattered down the street, down our walking paths, beautification of Riverton, and just coming up with something that's conducive to all, where the help can still be offered, but in a more contained space. Sanitary reasons for the main part.

It's a good question. I actually think that Mr. Carr should talk about it.

that's a good idea i just asked director michaud about it probably the the area that you're several actually that i've been talking about but yeah um i agree i think we need to do something about it but i'm not sure an ordinance would be the answer because i think we already have one and what i brought up to director michaud was You know, playing devil's advocate, what's the difference between a free donation area versus the fenced-in area here for Menards or Tractor Supply or Thugs? The difference is that's for sale. That's merchandise that they're going to sell, right? If it's free, it's trash. I think our ordinance already covers... Littering. Littering and trash... I can pick up any trash on on the street. And so I think if we enforce or just start writing letters.

It's not happening and that's I'm sorry.

Oh yeah, so just send the letters. If it's not enforced, send the fine or the citation. That's a must appear and pretty soon the trash disappears.

I think if I may just a little bit I think it goes a little deeper than just that it's it's it's beautification of our towns and the image that it's portraying when you have garbage sitting on the corner next to a business that's offering food. We have the ability to correct that, and so I just want to have an opportunity to explore what an ordinance would look like. We can argue it at a later time or discuss it at a later time, but I'm just asking for interest from the rest of the Council to engage in the issue and. Try to come up with some kind of solution that helps all that's dealing with it.

Mr Bailey.

I would suggest that we have staff look into our existing ordinances to see if something might be close or would fit, or if we have something we need to modify in one of them to make that more clear. Because I agree. I don't think we want it to happen. Right. But if we've already got an ordinance that we're just not enforcing, then we need to know that. Or if we need to modify it a little, we need to know that. then we can give marching orders to the community service officers to be on the lookout.

So, which I think is what Councilwoman Johnson is looking for is saying, is there interest in looking at solutions for this? I agree with Councilman Carr. I think littering is probably the easiest solution. I mean, I don't care what you claim to be or what you claim the purpose is, if somebody is putting something, I don't know, it's a complicated thing.

It goes, I'm so sorry, Carla, go ahead.

Go ahead, Councilwoman.

I was just gonna say, the way to get action, in my husband's words, make their money funny. So if there's an ordinance on the books already and we have to steepen the fine, you know, you get a warning and then if it's not taken care of, we take action on it and the person or the entity gets a fine and it's a steep one. That way maybe it'll curtail some of this.

Mr. Michaud, can you tell me anything that would be helpful on this i know it's not anything that was on the agenda and if you don't have anything ready right now you can just say hey we'll get back to the council and i think we'd be okay with that

Your Honor, I guess the only thing that comes to my mind is Ordinance 8.24, nuisance and abatement, that this might fit in. We could take a look at that.

Which would be just declaring it a nuisance with what's going on and then that they have to abate it. If they refuse to abate it, then the city could abate it and charge them for it. And if they don't pay for it, then it could be a lien on the property.

Exactly.

I can't believe I said all that without a breath.

You did.

It's a lot. Okay, so how about we get this on a future agenda? If you could come to us with just some ideas of where we're at, what steps we have, what things we can do, what areas, continue talking about it and see what we got.

What was that ordinance number again?

Eight point, 18 point. 8.24. 8.24, 8.24. Usually there's three numbers. 8.24 point what?

Your Honor, I think it just starts at 8.24 and then it goes from there with the rest. Okay, thanks.

Used to the state statute. Okay, well, that's all we have on the agenda, except I was planning on an executive session. However, as I contemplate it, And I remember we had a discussion about this last time. I don't know if this is something that we could go to an executive session for. Because if you look at personnel, it says, considering the appointment, employment, right to practice, dismissal, complaints or charges against a public officer, professional person or employee, or for the purpose of considering offering tender offers Tendering wages, salaries, benefits or terms of employment during negotiations. This doesn't fit any of those. But where it gets a little bit difficult. Is this? We need to do. An evaluation of our city administrator. Again. Every year, Councilman Carr, every year. And we had a good reminder from Shanda Scott that we needed to do it. What I would propose is I would send around like I had done last year, same sort of form. We get it together, we send it out, we look at that. I can tell you that Mr. Butterfield has been insistent and I appreciate him and appreciate this sentiment. And I think we passed the budget without being built into it any sort of a increase for step for Mr. Butterfield, if I'm not mistaken.

Your Honor, it's not in the budget and I do not recommend it.

I know. And I know that's where we were last year too. But we pushed it into the budget last year, if I recall correctly. And I let it slide this year, Mr. Butterfield. Not your mistake. It was my mistake. but I chose not to push it because I appreciate his leadership and I appreciate the idea, but nevertheless, we still need to do an evaluation and definitely want to be able to give him some feedback on what's going well, that kind of thing. One of the things I appreciate about Mr. Butterfield is he's always open for ideas for improvement. So if that works, what I would propose is I would send out the same kind of forms we did last year, send them back to me, and then we'll figure out where we go from there. Does that sound good? That sounds good. Okay. All right, that was it. Do we have to have a motion? No. But we do have to have a motion to adjourn.

Move to adjourn.

You got it.

That was fast.

I think that Councilwoman Johnson got that. So Councilwoman Johnson had the motion to adjourn. Councilman Carr had the second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say nay. Aye vote nay. too bad we are adjourned you're welcome at 10 12 p.m

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