Code of Ethics Adjudicating Body - Regular Meeting

Are we ready to start? Yes. We are. Okay. We'll put the meeting in order.

Luisa, if you could give us a pledge allegiance. K. Our next item would be to for the elections of officers. Anyone would like to be elected for chair?

May I may I make a nomination?

Yep. We're gonna make a nomination. Yeah.

I nominate member Newman as chair.

Okay. Member Newman as chair.

I second.

All right.

Do we vote do we vote now?

Anyone else?

Oh for chair? Yeah. Hello hello.

It works.

There we go. I nominate Gil Vega for chair. Anyone second? No?

I second.

I'm like I will.

I second myself.

So then do we vote one or two? Mean how do we do that? What are we voting for here?

Yes or no, though.

We have to do We

have to

one person at a time, maybe yes or no for member Newman. Then substitute the substitute motion. Oh, so we're voting on the substitute motion of

Gil. Yes, the nomination for Okay.

Okay.

So, you want to do it for Jessica. You vote no on this one because this one's for Gil. Can you clarify exactly how we're doing this?

Yeah. They should they wanna clarify what their

vote for. Yeah. Right.

Because we had member Foreman nominated me and then Member de Herrera seconded. But then we had another

Okay. So the substitute motion made by Member Hernandez was seconded.

So was the first one.

So it was a substitute motion.

Oh, so one replaces the other? Yeah. Okay. So You vote

on the substitute motion first.

So if we vote no on the substitute motion, that means we want to go with the first one.

Right? If the second motion fails, you would go back to the

first one. Okay. So

do we vote again?

I'm I'm a little confused. What what what's going on?

So we're voting on the the the nomination for you as chair.

Oh, we're doing the that first.

Uh-huh. Yes.

That's what we're trying to clarify because

Right.

Because you someone made the motion for Newman to be chair

Mhmm.

And seconded. But because I made a second motion and it was seconded, then that one carries first and we vote on that. Oh, okay. I see. If that one doesn't if that one's a yes or no vote, it goes to the second one.

I think our attorney has something

to say.

Yes. Because the first

motion was seconded, we should vote on that and then we'll go for the next one.

That's what I thought. Yeah.

So we're voting on the first motion for Member Newman to be chair, correct? So that's what we're voting on now. Yes or no for Member Newman. Okay.

This is for chair?

Yes.

Yeah. Okay.

We need to vote again.

Did he catch it?

The motion the motion carries with, one no vote and one abstain vote.

Jessica, you could have voted for yourself.

We would

I know. We would not think less of you. You

could do the Trump number.

I would not. It feels so yucky.

Okay.

I wanted to make a nomination. I wanted to nominate member Forman.

Oh, I declined. Thank you. I I appreciate it, but I declined.

Was too Yeah.

Was poised. No. Okay.

Well, how about it who's interested?

I'm interested.

I will nominate member Hernandez. I second.

Okay.

Now do we vote on that? Okay.

So we're voting for okay. Alright.

Fine.

You can You have to vote, and you can

vote for yourself.

It feels terrible.

Tibet is not anonymous.

It clicked. Is it not taking it? Well, I guess

it doing speak request.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah. The third. Yeah. Mhmm.

Did it take it? I didn't hear it click.

Yeah. I didn't hear it click either.

I guess I guess

it wants once

It got it? It was there?

He voted five times. Yes.

Okay. There you go.

He did four abstains in that.

Motion carries unanimous.

Alright. Do we change seats now? No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Don't push me over there any sooner. Thank you.

Alright. This will be my last.

But I would like to thank Gil for his service this past year.

Very much.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Gil. Okay. So I continue. Right?

Yes.

Oh, okay. No problem. I'm not moving.

There we go. Alright. I thought it was like a chop right there. You're out of here.

Dethrone. Okay. Okay.

No. No. No.

So we got that done and we're going to public comment and the audience participation is encouraged. Public do we have a tape on this or no? It would always

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Okay. So easy to participate. Yeah. We got that all done. So

Maybe you wanna do the meeting ID?

The the the what?

The meeting ID because it's at the Oh,

just do all.

Just do Right. Just just the number.

Yeah. There's no caller then. So do I have to

still Yeah.

Go through it?

Nope. No public comment.

Okay. We got it. So we go to, well, the consent calendar, number five. We have any problem with the minutes? No?

Any

I move to approve the minutes.

A second. Alright.

K. Motion carries.

Very good. Very good. K. We'll go to discussion calendar. Audience participation is encouraged. Public comments are limited to three minutes. Establish the ad hoc committee for the 2025 work plan.

Could we get some more explanation of what the work plan will consist of and what that entails?

So, it's the the the plan that we present to city council every year with what our goals are, what we've accomplished. It's just a reporting out on the status of the board. And then, go ahead.

Yeah,

any new goals we have, updates on the goals from previous years that maybe haven't been finished. That's our work plan.

I just thought there might be more commentary about it or discussion.

Do we have a deadline for that? Or

Chervago, if I may. So we had anticipated a new member to be present, but she was not able to make it. So we were thinking at that point, she may have been interested to join one of the existing ad hocs. Mhmm. But your work plan was provided for that reason to go through those. But currently, you have the two ad hocs. The two ad hocs for the creating the method for public education and your ongoing Subpoena power? Your subpoena power. There's no changes to your ad hoc committees at this point, or you can put it back on the agenda for when the new member

Yeah, I would like to suggest we ask to have it postponed and then that will allow the new member to

For next month.

Yeah. For next month.

I think it's a good idea.

And then also maybe oh, this is all of us. Right? Right. Oh, wow.

Okay. Any brief reports on meetings or, you know, that was attended by any board members? Any meetings at all? No?

This morning, I attended the group at the civil rights, foundation on their own mission. They had a guest speaker, Jose Medina, supervisor for District 1. And he was mostly talking about, you know, accountability and transparency when it came to sheriffs and, obviously, Chad Bianco, things like that. And then, I had the opportunity to participate in the mayor's multicultural forum meeting. That was interesting.

They talked about some of the, you know, it's it's a gathering of different community organizations, civil rights institute, the Braver Angels, a lot of different organizations that come together and talk about different events and different things going on in the community. If if you guys are ever interested, I would recommend participating in the meeting. So, you the know, city manager was there as well. The mayor, city manager talked about some of the, you know, some of the events going on in the city and some of the the plants and things like that that are coming from different countries, driverless vehicle, factories, things like that. So it was interesting.

Is that all that I can think of? I think that's it for right now.

Okay. Anybody else? No? Nada? Alright.

Let's go to the research subpoena power and authority to compel. Basically, Luis and I did a you know, we really delve into some of the re you know, did some some research on this, and it was an eye opening experience to say the least. And it was really actually, it was like a pleasure to even speak to other cities with, you know, with with the board of ethics there, we contacted let's see. I'm trying to get to my notes here. Uh-huh.

Here we go. We contacted San Diego, Oakland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Jose. And we really they were very, very, very helpful in imparting some information and point pointers on on not so much as even subpoena power, which they, you know, really emphasize that it's a must to have, but autonomy, which, you know, I kinda mentioned before some time ago, and and they really kinda described some of the aspects of how they do it. Luis, you know, has some details on on the subpoena power, and I'll let him speak on that right now. And and then I'll go with some of the others.

So as Gil mentioned, we did talk to, several individuals from different cities. We did have the opportunity to ask them a lot of different questions regarding subpoena power, how they, were able to achieve it, how they enforce it. And the main thing that we got from it was that, all of these board of ethics or commissions were able to get subpoena power through, the voters. So they went to charter as, charter committee, asked them to add it on the ballot. And in every single one of these cases, the voters approved them having, subpoena power.

One of the main things that, every one of these individuals that I was in the meeting with, their main thing was how important it was to have the subpoena power because of the weight it carried in compelling people to come to hearings. Their question to us was, how how do you do it without it? And, again, they they were just adamant that it is really, really important to have that ability so that if, you know, there is some sort of hearing and they need individuals to, come and testify that, it just carries so much weight and really encourages individuals to come in and participate in the hearing. We still have quite a bit of research to do as far as maybe a short term goal that, you know, as far as the Riverside municipal code and going before the governmental process committee to for compelling someone to come to our hearings, but a long term goal, that we still need to do more research on is, possibly gathering some information and putting something together to go before the next charter committee to, possibly ask for them to put the the board to have the subpoena power to the voters.

And, again, that's just something that we need to research. So there's still quite a bit of research that we need to do as far as this, but we have done quite a bit. We have spoken to a lot of individuals, and it's through all of them. It's pretty unanimous that, you know, how important it is. The other thing, of course, that Gil mentioned was, the independence of these boards and commissions apart from their city councils. So do you wanna talk about a little bit more about that?

And base basically, the the autonomy really brings about the aspect of of servicing our public, you know, to to a to a really high degree where they have confidence in us. And and I think that's one of the important points that they made out was the fact that you have have certain government, you know, process that come up and the the public feels sort of like isolated. You know, they feel they're they could be right here and yet feel sort of like disassociated. And the you know, with being effective board of ethics and we're talking, you know, again, this is gonna take some time to develop and evolve, But the it was a surprise to to really, you know, realize that that the fact that not only did they say that that's a must, you know, for subpoena power, but for being autonomous. And, you know, in some of our cases that we've, you know, experienced here where, you know, it could involve a city council person, what have you.

And, you know, we make a decision on the process, you know, and then it's approval to the city council, the same people. And the the city members that we spoke with, you know, they kinda even threw in the fact that they said you don't wanna be like a rubber stamp. You know? And and this is an opportunity to to we're again, we're looking into the the particulars, and we got some, you know, good information, but it's gonna take some time to to really evolve it. But we're on on the right track for the for the time being.

I really I really see us in a different light now, you know, after after going through some of the other cities. There's a couple of cities that they they they join a group, you know, which they deal with, you know, board of ethics issues, just kind of, like, share on some of their experiences, what have you. And, you know, I think we're not at that level yet, but, you know, our mayor is really getting us out there. You know, she you know, we're we're before we were, like, kinda on the on the side, and now, you know, we're we're working with the big boys. We're at the table.

You know? And so we're looking at that as a possibility of, you know, evolving and learning from various different cities and how they do things. I even called Huntington Park. And and and they were very open to what was going on there. But in in their case, they don't even have a a ethics board.

They have, like, they're compartmentalized. So if there's a problem with, you know, holding the the the mallet here, there's a department that handles that. And then if this is not coming on or off properly, there's a department that handles that too. But now they you know, I spoke to the city clerk, and they and they're going through some changes and stuff. And and they're they're they're possibly looking at that as, you know, board of ethics in, you know, into into being because too much compartmentalization and not talking to each other at all.

But I think for us, this point, you know, some of, you know, some of the points that I I like to bring out is an effective enforcement, transparency and accountability, public trust, preventing conflicts of interest, and a focus on public interest. I think that's what really brings about that point where we are held separately and and not accountable to to, let's say, the city council is this and especially when issue come into being with the with city council. So and, again, it's it's in the beginning stage. We're trying to work this because, you know, I even threw in some examples. What if, you know, yeah, let's say the city council turns rogue on us.

You know, how do we handle that? And then again, you know, how does, you know, how do we handle if the board of ethics is rogue?

You

know? And so we're looking, you know, we're looking at some of the things. And they the the city's really gave us some good pointers on that too so that it can the the continual process. Any questions?

Yeah. Oh,

yep. There you go. Alright. Got

you. So I think that all of this is really interesting and I think it's something that we should talk about. Because with the new changes and then the mayor's annual address this year too, like Gil was saying, We are now having a seat at the table with a lot of bigger cities. I think, not that I'm not interested in subpoena power, it's something that we should look into. But I think that maybe we repurpose the ad hoc because I agree about the autonomy issue.

That's always been an issue for us. And I do have a question that I wanna get back to ask you Gil and Luis. We're appointed by city council and any decisions that we take or findings that we give have to be approved by them and then they are the disciplinary body of themselves which kind of defeats the purpose of having a board of ethics because we can say, you know, we found malice or a prohibited conduct or we find that this to be true. And also, you know, if there is something like bribery or stealing of public funds or I mean, obviously there's the regular legal process which would be followed which is all fine and dandy. But you know, it has to start somewhere.

And if we don't have a voice, a real voice to, you know, do something about things that may come across our table, especially because we are getting bigger like Gil said, you know, where the city's, you know, burgeoning and and and getting into a lot of different avenues. And I I would love to you know, it's tough because maybe us having a bit of a lack of a real voice is also shown by poor attendance. There's not a lot of interest in our board all that much, which is good because we don't have a lot of major issues like LA and San Diego where there's serious legal crimes that sometimes get committed. So it's kinda nice that we're in this kinda bubble and things are mostly hunky dory and we all get along and it's all fine. But things are developing and escalating and changing.

The times are changing. And I do have concern about our real lack of voice and what happens when we find negligence. So yeah, so I think that we should talk about the ad hoc expanding it, perhaps repurposing it to continue. And this is gonna be a long, long term change because there's a lot of red tape to get through for any of those things to actually come forth. But I think it is worth it considering the way that things have been changing.

Like you mentioned, at the State of the City, obviously our city is growing as you mentioned. Like we have a seat at the table with a lot of the other major cities. With growth comes pain sometimes. The reality is that I know that we haven't had any major issues, but then it comes to the what if. Right?

When that major issue comes around, then our board can be more established and more ready for those types situations, like some of the scenarios that you mentioned that have happened in these other cities. We have examples of Oakland where obviously not to say that any of our public officials are involved in any of that. It's just, you know, for example, their mayor was was caught, you know, in in some financial crimes. You know, granted, you know, this could be ten, twenty, fifteen, ten, twenty, thirty years from now is having, a board that is independent and does have some powers to be able to have hearings and some independence, only grows the the the confidence in the residents within their public officials because they feel like there is some transparency. There is some kind of abilities.

Mhmm. So

And, you know, just to add on to that too is the fact that I think it would, you know, it makes it'll make things easier for our city to to operate and run and and gain a reputation that we are for the people. And I think that's a very important aspect that we need to establish with the public. And especially, you know, when you're dealing with education and and you're trying to meet with the public. It'd be nice when when you say border of ethics. Hey, I know you. You know, that that would be really great, you know, because then we're we're doing our job.

Well, and you you were saying too that they have a a branch that you know, a focus on public outreach well in the other bigger cities. And I think that's kind of the purpose of the ad hoc we have, that public education and public outreach. So we're already started in that. Any other thoughts from anybody? Do we have a public comment waiting Well, I think we have to finish this. No,

I just agree with everything. Think, yep, I agree with all all of you.

We've really gone down the rabbit hole here, people.

That's not necessarily bad.

No. Not. No. It's a good thing. And, you know, being able to talk to all these different cities gives you a lot of examples of what we may be able to model ourselves after. And not necessarily after one city, but maybe different things from each city. You know, doing all this research. Because a lot of times we only had like an hour to speak to some of these people. They're willing speak to us more, but an hour seems like a long time,

but

it goes

It goes right quick.

There are so many more questions that we have for them. And again, they're open and willing to engage with us and and provide us with any information or resources that we need. So it was really, really nice to talk to all these different cities.

And, you know, and they were surprised, you know, that we didn't have subpoena power or or, you know, autonomy. They they what? You know?

Well, we we did kind of before.

Well, you you know, if we if you look at the and and that's what we started to do. If you look at the Riverside municipal code, you know, there is some mention there and so but but Luis and I we decided to let's you know, let's take a look at that review some of the particulars as well as the charter and then we can strategize on how to Like a short term goal

and then a long term goal.

And I

think miss Newman's idea to repurpose the ad hoc committee will really help with that.

Right. Yeah.

Mhmm. Yeah. I agree. So shall we should we pull back and put a wider lens on this rabbit hole and then

see? Is that a motion?

No. I I don't think we need to make a motion for an It's ad just the ad hoc goes wherever it goes.

I think that's a good idea to broaden the purview or whatever of the ad hoc committee.

Right. Because we're still in the research phase of all of this. And I think as it evolves and once we're done with a lot of the research, I think then we can put an ad hoc committee together to kind of come up with a plan as to how we're gonna move forward with all the information that we've gathered. And that's gonna be

a particular one because it

It it'll be have to take as many of us as we can

get on. Exactly. Yeah. So I I really agree that

we As big as not violating Brown. Yeah. Mhmm.

And and just to put it out there, whether if anybody I'm not saying anybody on here agrees or disagrees. I'm looking forward to the conversations that we're going to have regarding all of this and just all the different ideas that we can come up with to try and accomplish some of these goals that we may have as we do more of the research. I'm really happy about this and I'm really looking forward to it.

I have a little concern because this is a long term goal and it's something that all of us are starting to feel passionate about or have an interest in and wanting to dig in and thinking it's something we need to do. But our terms are not that long. So by the time anything actually happens, it'll be like three more, at least three or four more iterations of the people sitting here.

Right.

So we'll have to talk about how to keep things moving forward.

How we can carry on the torch.

Yeah.

Planting the right seeds.

Yeah.

You know, planting it.

Or talking about extending some of our assignment times. You know, considering we have a goal, maybe we can present to counsel and say, hey, you know, not obviously, I don't think that it's gonna happen fast enough that any one of us will actually see it through to the end, but I think it would be useful to have a little bit more time to really get the train going.

Right.

You know what I mean? So we can talk about that for next time on the last item for future board topics. Yes. I know. I know.

Alright.

Yes. It closed. Oh.

Okay. So let's see. Let's go ahead with creating the method for public education and public outreach.

Okay. So we were able to get together. Finally. There's an update. I promise to never sing again.

So we we got together, and we have started an outline of how we want to put together the additional documents and content that we want to create to help the public with being able to file their complaint, making it a little bit easier, and kind of helping with some of the language. We also definitely talked about, you know, helping out our constituents that have maybe disabilities or difficulties with reading. We have dyslexic folks. We have people with eyesight issues that we think putting a video with just audio to assist and then maybe closed caption on what the audio is to explain the different pages that we have on the official city pages to follow the process for a ethics complaint and explaining that out. Luis and I specifically talked about a video where we do a screen capture of us clicking through the pages where people can follow along and see where they need to click and scroll and how to navigate it efficiently.

And then also, again, having one particular section as well for breaking down the A through O for prohibited conduct? M? M. Yeah. Yeah, so we'd go through each one of the letters and explain in detail, give examples of what it actually means.

Also, we wanted to talk about what forms of acceptable evidence would be. Obviously, trying to avoid just hearsay, having documentation. So kind of a little bit more in-depth of what requirements are gonna be, how how you, you know, things that you would need to kinda get you a better path to successfully filing a complaint and successfully, arguing a complaint. Just helping the public along with what to expect, what they really need to prepare so that they make it past the prehearing with valid complaints. And then hopefully we'll help prevent some frivolous ones that maybe are misunderstood of what the prohibited conduct is.

We did have a question on six, right? Yeah, on number six in the process that, or it's in the complaint form where it says that the complainant is supposed to provide the date of the policy that violated of when that policy was established and that just seems where are they supposed to find that because some of that isn't even in our city code. It doesn't say this was ratified on this day. Are they gonna find some of that information? And and I know, like, I remember when we had the complaint against council member Cervantes with the DUI.

I read that complaint. It didn't say, she violated driving under the influence law established on 1970, whatever, whenever it was. There was not a date on that complaint that she filed against council member. So if they're accepting it without providing that information, why is it on the form?

So I guess we wanna ask our legal adviser, do we have the kind of flexibility to say we really want to take this requirement off of this? Is it legally required to have that requirement that they tell the date of when this thing was established? Or do we as a committee have the ability to say we recommend we take this out?

And also, I mean, I get why some of it's there if there's a new policy that was instated and the violation occurred prior to that policy coming in. It makes sense that they would have to justify and say, oh this is within the timeline and that's fine but requiring it on everything regardless of how old that policy is, there has to be some kind of better way to ask for the information when applies.

So if we don't have the ability to maybe remove it altogether is if we can make it optional or if there's a way for us to be able to link or provide where they can find that information. At least, know, again it's just a question to figure out how can we make that easier on the individual filing the complaint? And I can I

can take a look at that?

I'd say I'm

just See where the form came from. Mhmm. Whether it was established by a counsel or whether this body, was responsible for creating that form and respond back at the next meeting. Okay.

That sounds great.

Thank you so much.

Yeah. It's just it's item six and it's it it asked for, you know, the time frame when or the date when the policy was into effect or effective or I don't remember the wording exactly, don't have Established it in front of probably. Yeah, and again, just to help you along, we've had many complaints that have been filed and that's been marked for prohibited conduct under M and they have not provided that information. And their complaint was processed and moved forward by the clerk. So I I kinda don't know why it's there, really.

Is it optional? And we just don't know.

No. I can I can take a look? Yeah. Most of them at the bottom of whatever section, it'll have a list. It'll say the ordinance. So it kinda gives you an idea when it was. But lay people, I understand it's not it it could be confusing.

Mhmm. And then what yeah. Where where where are they gonna Google to go? And then it seems like a lot to request from somebody that just is trying to do something they think is right, and then we make them jump through that many hoops. Seems crazy.

You wanna make it less onerous and more accessible. And even my particular interest is looking at the wording, which a lot of this is written at, you know, definitely, like, twelfth grade

or Very legal. College level.

And it should be written at maybe seventh grade reading level to make it accessible. Because that's the general public reading level is usually eighth grade level is is optimistic. A lot of people are at fifth grade read. Yeah. So making it, you know, to where anyone could understand it without talking down down to people. So that's another interest of mine.

And that's part of the reason for our ad hoc, you know, is to try to make provide, like, a supplemental document or video or something that that is is helpful with that. So I don't necessarily think that we need to change the form if we could make some alterations.

We may wanna put we'll put that on for the next agenda. We don't wanna talk about it too much because it's not on agenda.

Yeah. Just throwing the ideas.

We'll we'll take a look at it.

Yeah. Okay. No problem. Mhmm. Okay. So we got on to we're gonna work on a video, have some audio. We're gonna be meeting again, hopefully, before the next meeting. But we have made progress. I'm very happy to report on that. Did I miss anything?

I think you summed it up.

Sweet. Well, that That's it. That's it? Okay.

To be continued. I

thought you might put it like YouTube and TikTok.

Do have a question. I know that the purpose of the committee was to, you know, for for educational purposes. And I know we've been having a little trouble with, like, membership. Is there any way that maybe we can maybe like put a flyer together or something? Because I go to a lot of events

Yeah.

Where you know there's like a lot of people who are involved and they may be interested and you know we can can give them some information about the board of ethics. So that maybe we can increase our membership.

Yeah. I think that's part of the public outreach part. So we can definitely

Awesome.

Bring that into the next meeting that the three of us have.

Awesome.

Are there any items for the future board considerations as requested by the board of ethics? Any other future

So we we've come up with a few during the meeting. I don't know if, Eva, would you like us to kinda resummarize some of the ones Mhmm. That we were looking at? It was when the guy came about the public comment. What were we saying? We were like, oh, yeah. We should we need to agendize that.

Agendize what he want?

No. No. No. No. No. It was while while while they came. So then I now I don't remember.

It it was about the the first ad hoc committee about the subpoena power and and broadening it. Was that was that it, do think?

Because that was that was later on.

That's Yeah. That was later. Yeah. And it and it's not I don't think we need to agendize it. We agreed to kinda reformulate it a little bit. If you two come up with a better name other than the subpoena power thing, then we can, you know, bring that up and ask ask ask that to be updated.

The overhaul of North. I I

do I do have a question. I don't know if we need to agenda this, but maybe as far as term limits.

Oh, yes. That was one. Yes. So, the term limits for the current board members and maybe Because we had talked about looking at know doing more research for autonomy and those things and maybe we need to then we need to do an ad hoc on how we talk about limits and with who and approach city council about our concerns. And

I think it yeah. It would be good to have, like, to make a nomination to make a motion to discuss, like, what our our term limits are. And then I know it varies probably depending on if if you were appointed by a council. I don't know if it matters if you were appointed by a council member or if you have a citywide appointment. You know, I don't know any of that. So it would be good to kind of get that, and we could make a motion to discuss that.

Could we get a maybe just a brief presentation by legal or someone explaining about term limits and how and can they are they flexible? What are our options about terminal maybe being somebody something to educate us about term limits so that we can go from there.

That sounds good. Yeah. That was definitely one. Oh, the other one. I remember. We had postponed ad hoc committee for the work plan when the new person came to So that needs to go on the next one.

What else?

I feel like there was one more. I don't remember now. Term limits. Expanding ad hoc, but that doesn't need to be on the agenda. Okay. We're gonna say.

Well, and it was to pardon me. You wanted an explanation about the form.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Number six. Yeah. Yes. I thought you would remember that one because we were just talking about it.

What is this form number six?

What

No. It's it's it's the sixth item on the complete form.

I

don't think we need to make motions for the consent calendar. We just ask that things get put on it.

K. Well, without further ado, we don't have anything else scheduled. We have May 1 as our next meeting. That's May forever. Yeah. It's nice. Anything else? Nothing?

Thank you again so much for your service, Gil.

Okay. Take that one, Gil. Gil. Alright.

Here we go. Gently. There you go.

Oh, slammed it.