City Council - Regular Meeting

of allegiance by troops 719 and 7196. Color guard, attention the audience, please stand. Color guard forward hand Please join me in the pledge of

allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Post the colors.

There we go.

I have to tip that a little bit. Color guard, honor your colors. Two color guard dismissed. Now you're seated. Thank you for that. Um we will uh we'll hear from the uh the troop in just a minute. But uh now um I have asked Council Richtor if he would offer an invocation.

Our eternal father in heaven, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to gather together this evening in the capacity of the city council and uh and citizens of this wonderful city of Riverdale. We're grateful for all that thou does for us and for the city of uh and for this city and its citizens. We ask that thy spirit might be with us so we might be prompted and guided to do those things that will bless the lives of of the citizens, those who come to visit uh and the staff and those who work here. Uh we're grateful for all that thou does for us and ask a special blessing to be upon those men and women who are serving overseas protecting and in harm's way uh this night. We're also grateful for our uh first responders and those who also protect us here uh here in the city. Please be with them and their families. grateful for all that thou does for us and pray for these things in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Amen.

Thank you, Council Richtor. Uh we now have a time for public comments and opportunity to address the city council with your ideas or concerns. No action will be taken during the public comment. If you do come out, please try to limit your comments to three minutes. Um, we would also invite our scout troop to uh have their senior patrol leader if they're here or um anyone can come up and kind of introduce your troop and uh tell us who you are and where you're from and um Well, it's a pleasure to be here. Um my name is David Stevens. I am the scout master of Troop 719. We are chartered with the Utah Military Academy here in Riverdale and we're grateful for the opportunity to be able to come to uh to this council meeting and uh hope that we can be a great asset to our community here. Appreciate that.

You got some boys here. Are they going to introduce themselves or you want to yeah introduce them or I actually have uh two scouts of our newest patrols here uh just right here. Devin uh Bailey uh he has just joined the scouting troop here. And uh also have Olivia uh she's uh of our troop 7196. So we have two troops 7196 which is the girls troop and 719 which is the boys troop. So and we also have a uh sea scouts as well as a venturing crew as well part oh cub scouts as well too. Welcome. Um thank you.

At one time we had a packet for the citizenship merit badge. I don't know if uh citizenship in the community I don't know if we still have that around. That would be Is that what you're working on? Oh, you have it. Okay. We had one through the city, too. But uh if you would like to meet with any of the city council or me as the mayor, uh you can you can reach out to us. You know, tonight's not the best night, but some other some other time and we can make arrangements to to do whatever you need. So, appreciate that. Thanks for being here. You had a question, come on up to the mic. Tell us your name and I don't want to do this. Can I pull it down there? Yeah.

My name is Olivia Olsen and I was wondering, this is really off topic, but will we get the snacks? When will we get them? Oh, well, yeah, of course. Okay. Thank you.

Let's get down. And just by way of uh kind of protocol or or process tonight, uh we have kind of a long meeting and so feel free to just enjoy as much as you want and then you can you can head out anytime. I don't expect you to stay the whole time. So, um you're welcome to, but if you if you get bored, you run out of snacks, um you can you don't have to stay the whole time. Seeing no other public comment, uh we'll move on to presentations and reports. Uh mayor's report, I have just a couple of things. Uh we had a a pretty eventful uh wake meeting last night. Um pretty busy agenda and uh so I'll just tell you a couple of things that they mentioned. Uh they had uh the head of the Pioneer Days rodeo was there and uh they are uh with the America 250 uh program this year. They are asking uh they I guess the uh the local church uh provides about $4,000 per float for eight floats to be in that. I was doing some math and that's that's a significant amount, but to put eight floats in that uh parade each year and they're looking for more floats and they're really encouraging the cities to try and come up with a float. Uh they said that we had received a little bit of money for our our uh America 250 program and uh they said there's more on the way and that's maybe not well known but um there is more coming. So uh it's something to consider. I don't know. I'm not very creative. I probably could never do something like that but it'd be kind of cool to have a Riverdale float in the parade too. So, and if we did it fast enough, we might be able to get it in our Fourth of July parade as well. So, anyway, just something to think about. Um, the transfer station is in um period of massive um transition right now. Uh we got a a letter last week with a contract and last night they said just um forget that whole thing because none of it's right now. Um Republic is is making moves that are are going to really make it hard to maintain the the Weber County transfer station. So, um, you probably don't even know that yet, but, uh,

I got that letter. Yeah. No, that's out the window. Like, is that that was last Thursday, I think. I do. So, yeah. Good. So, I don't know, but stay tuned for that. Um, and, uh, let's see.

Uh, I think the rest I can save for later. Um, there was one thing, Mr. Douglas, I think you work pretty well with the, uh, Weber County weed, uh, like noxious weed control guy. He said he'd be willing to come out and help you guys anytime. time he gave me a flyer for some um continuing education for you guys. You get fed and get some some education. So anyway, we'll get that passed on to you. But that's all I have. Uh any any of the city council members like to uh report on their assignments tonight? Anything new to update us with? No. Okay. Uh well, next uh we have a presentation from the Weber Fire District and uh Mr. Brooks is going to kind of introduce that.

Thanks, Mayor. Um, does can you hear me? Okay.

Um, those of you who have been on the the 2030 uh committee are familiar with these individuals. Um, Chief Clark and Deputy Chief Taylor, if I recall correctly, uh, have met with all of us in separate meetings, both even even staff. We met with them originally and then asked them to meet with the 2030 committee. One of the things that we've been looking at as we approach 2030 and and our the problem that we've got coming up with the loss of that funding um is we're just trying to find anything we can to help uh make up that gap that we're going to have to fill. And one of those that we've been exploring was um maybe you know looking at other options with our fire department. We had approached the Wever Fire District some time ago to see if there was any interest in in in that um if they would bring us on as one of their uh cities. And so we've been in discussions with them, not not real serious ones until we knew we were going to meet with the full council. And so we felt it was time to do that. There's another city in the county who's looking at the same thing as well as us. And so we just thought it was probably time to get them in here to meet with all of the full council and kind of uh let you meet them and and um have them, you know, kind of discuss what they offer the city and and ask them any questions. So um and that's the reason why we set it up tonight. We we've got to start looking at budgets and um depending on how this goes um it could even affect this upcoming budget. And so we're we're running out of time and there's no more time for us to I mean it's not that this would have to happen now, but uh it could and that's what we're kind of looking at. And so uh without further ado on that, I'll I'll turn the time over to Chief Clark and then um if we can open up he'll I'm assuming he has a presentation. He just met with one of the cities just recently and um probably do that same type of a

presentation for all of you and then we'll kind of open it up for questions chief if that's okay. And I'd asked Chief Hennessy to be here tonight, too, in case you had any questions for him. Um, Matt's been involved with this from the get-go, and he's he's known about this for some time. So, I have all the big big power guys for the for the fire people around. So, now would be your chance tonight to open up some questions. And I think he'll answer a lot of those in his presentation, but if you do have some at the end, we could probably open that up and discuss that further. So, Chief, I'll turn the time over to you at this point. So, uh, good evening. Um, I appreciate you letting us come here and and as, uh, Mr. Brooks stated, um, I understand this we're presenting this to you as an option for you to look at and I appreciate that you would look at us and and ask us to be here tonight. Um, just by way of introduction, my name is Brick Clark. I'm the fire chief of Weber Fire District. Um, I started my career in Pleasant Grove and then uh joined Weber Fire District in 2015 as their first paramedic supervisor when they started their paramedic program. And uh 2018 I was appointed as the deputy chief uh to Chief Paul Sullivan and when he retired in 2024 I was appointed to be the fire chief. So, um, Chief Taylor, Chair Taylor is here with me and he moved into my position as, uh, deputy fire chief and he's here today in case things get out of hand to get me out of here safely. So, that's that's his main thing is back me up. So, but uh, I I really appreciate this opportunity um, to be here. Uh, I was just going to maybe give you an overview of Weber Fire District, who we are, where we came from, kind of some of our governance things that we offer. Um, introduce you a little bit more uh to us and how we function. Um, we were uh created in 1936 as the Weber County Fire Department. Um, and then in

1982, we actually became a special service district, a fire service district, which means uh we serve Weber County. Um, but Weber County does we're not part of Weber County's government. And a lot of people don't understand that. They think we're still tied with uh with Weber County government, which is really nice when people are mad at us because they call them and not us, but then they send them over to us. But, uh, we we uh serve them. We serve unincorporated county and they're a member just like a lot of our cities are. Um, additionally we serve Far West, Marriott, Slaterville, West Haven, uh, Hooper, Uenta, Huntsville, uh, the new city of Ogden Valley, and, uh, unincorporated Weber County. And so we cover a total of about 515 square miles. Um, in that area, we have six fire stations right now. Um, we're they're all staffed full-time. Um, we have an additional fire station in Uenta that's our wildland station. So, it's a seasonal station, and our wildland crews work out of that station. Um, additionally, we have a project right now where we're adding a seventh station out in Hooper. Um, just as the West End is is growing, we need we recognize we need a little bit of uh extra help out there. Um, with a new freeway coming in on the west corridor that's going to actually come across and exit just about two blocks east of our new station. So, that area is going to grow. We're also uh replacing and moving a station in West Haven. Um, station 63. It was built, as far as I could tell, back in the early 60s. that's definitely served its lifetime and it's ready to move on. But also the area has grown and and our call volume and the and the center of where our calls are happening is also moved east and so we're going to move a station there. Um, additionally, um, we will be adding a station in Powder Mountain. Um, this one we're building in conjunction with Powder Mountain. Um, it won't be staffed initially, but it will be used to store equipment up there as they're building up up there and they're building hotels. Um, we recognized that we needed to have somewhere to put a ladder truck. Um, I'm sure all of you have gone up to Powder Mountain and seen

the road and to take a ladder truck up that road. Um, it would be about two and a half days to get it up there and the fire would be over. So, we knew we had to have something up there. So, we needed a station and as that grows too, we will staff it in the future. Um, we're also doing a training facility right now. We're in the final stages of planning, getting ready to build a training facility which will include um an office building with uh training areas, training rooms, um a workout area, some offices, but the I guess the key thing is we're doing a four-story training tower. Um it'll be able to do live burns in it, um searches, uh rescue, um all the all the fire training that we need to do as firefighters to maintain our certifications. The key to this is we can train our firefighters and take them as close to the real thing as possible without being in the real thing so we can get all those errors and we can make training uh corrections with our firefighters. So, it's going to be a very very valuable piece of equipment for us. Um we have uh over 110 sworn career firefighters with with our agency right now and we run approximately 7,000 calls a year. So, um, our ISO rating, insurance rating, service, uh, rating is a three, which I believe, uh, Riverdale right now is also a three. So, that's very compatible right there. Um, people ask, you know, what what are our standards? What are our standards and responses and training much like your current uh uh department here? Um, we put our our uh goal is to hit NFPA standards, which is a national firefighter standard for response times. It's a very high bar. It's hard to hit all the time, but that's our standard. We work to hit it just as I know your fire department does. Um, we have the same levels of certifications that your current firefighter fire department has, and we maintain all those same certifications both in fire and EMS. Um, let's see. Uh, specialized divisions. Um, I know, uh,

Riverdale right now is a heavy rescue station, has a heavy rescue station in it. I was part of the group that took that to the county and initially got it started. Um I was one of them that determined where the stations are going to go and Riverdale is a great place to have a heavy rescue um tech station. Um it's right in the middle of the a large part of the the population. Additionally, we have one over in um station 66 out in Taylor and then the other one is station two in Ogden up off Harrison Boulevard. And so uh additionally, we have a wildland division. Um we at 515 square miles we have a lot of wildland and and um urban interface area and so wildland is a big thing for us to be really good at. Um so we have that coverage here. Um additionally we respond all around the western United States on fires. Currently we have two engines and a task force leader in Texas. Um it's burning right now. Um a lot of people look at us and say why would you send your equipment and people out across the country to different fires? Um two big reasons. one is it allows us to get some incredible training and experience for our people. Um we've had firefighters on some of the biggest fires in the western United States, including uh Los Angeles last year, um the Paradise Fire in California, many like that. But this allows our our firefighters to gain um excellent certifications, have the experience, have the knowledge, and bring it back here and apply it to our own home area. Um we have a potential for devastating fires. If you remember back in 2017, we did have one in UA. We lost five homes all in the space of probably under an hour. Um, so we bring that experience home and we try to make sure that doesn't happen again with mitigation projects. The second big D uh thing that that helps us out with is we buy equipment with the money that we earn. Um, we have bought at least half a dozen type six brush trucks which run about $250,000. Um, we've bought uh two type four engines which run about $300 $350,000

and we just have a tender that was a $320,000 um 4,500galon tender. That's all been purchased with those funds. Our taxpayers didn't buy that. Um, additionally, we buy all of our PPE that our firefighters have and then a lot of the training. So, it brings a lot of value back to our people. The key is we never deploy an asset if it's going to hurt our response locally. So, we always hold that back and make sure we're we're covered that way. Um, so it's been great for us over the years in a lot of different ways. We also have a hazmat station in Far West where we have hazmat techs 247 there. We have some of the best equipment in the state right out of that station. Um, as I mentioned, we have a heavy rescue station in 66 that works with station 41. Um, we also have a paramedic program. We contract with the county to provide paramedics for the county. We have a paramedic unit in Taylor out at station 66 and one in the the city of Ogden Valley City up in the upper valley. Um we also have a great uh community risk reduction bureau and inside that bureau is our prevention um which we go out we do plan reviews, we do code enforcement, we do business inspections and we have dedicated personnel in that um in that bureau. Um, we also do fire investigations and one of our um, things that we love doing is we we do community outreach. And so we have, uh, shows, educational shows for the elementary schools that we go into and teach the kids about fire safety. Um, we do CPR programs, we teach CPR in the community. Um, we do BLS programs. We teach people how to use AEDs. We do all kinds of of education and try to get that try to educate our people so we don't have to respond on as many calls. And that sounds counterproductive, but our goal is to keep people safe. And so we we take that very serious. Um these uh specialties also offer offer more opportunities for our firefighters to advance their career and be able to be in different things

and take two different career paths. And so it allows them to stay put and not have to leave the district to advance their careers. Um one of the things that we help out with, um I wanted to talk about finance real quick. Um it's an it's an important thing. We're in in government. Um, as a special district, we are a property tax based um, uh, budget. Um, that's very common for special districts. Uh, without with very few exceptions, special districts collect property tax. We're restricted from collecting sales tax. Um, that helps us give a get a very stable tax base. Um, which is important to public safety is to be stable so that we can we can perform our job. Um, our budget, our operating budget right now is currently in the neighborhood of $18 million. Um, we have a a very robust, um, capital planning cycle. Um, we have plans for our fire stations to replace them, to add them, to upgrade them. Um, we have apparatus that we have on a schedule to to um, replace and upgrade as we need it. Um, we also have a critical equipment life cycle program. Um, firefighting is expensive and it's hard to buy all that material. Our PPE, we don't buy it all at once every 10 years. We try to spread it out. Our radios, we try to spread them out, but we try to cycle them to make sure that they're they're good. Um, they're um up to uh industry standards. Um, let's see. Financial oversight. Um, we have uh internal and external audits every year with our district. Um we've always passed with the highest grade. Um our processes get the highest marks and of course this would be available for you to all to see if as you continue to look into us. We would be happy to provide all those financial um documents that you need to see. Um a big question is uh that how are we governed? We're governed by a board of

trustees. Um in this makeup we have four elected positions that are at large in the county and those are truly elected. All of our cities have one appointed uh individual on the um on the board. The mayor makes the appointment. So, all of our cities are represented on the board. And that's how we're uh governed. When do you meet? Um we meet the second Tuesday of every month. Where? At station 61 in Far West.

So, at what time? Um 5:30 is when we start, but 6 is when we start our our public. Um in addition to um being having uh members on the board, um we also reach out to our cities and I personally try to stay in good contact with all all of our cities, we leave it to the cities on how often they want to meet. Some of our cities I meet as much as once a week where I sit down with the city leadership, city managers if they have them, mayors, and I just make sure that we're delivering services to the city that they need. Um, I try to make sure we understand needs coming up so we can plan for those. Um, I want to try to make sure that we're getting hitting all of our expectations. So, I try to keep that very open. Um, we uh meet one-on-one. We meet in city staff meetings. We meet um whatever meeting the city finds most convenient for us to meet with. But I try to really stay in touch with that. We try to stay on top of all of your events coming up. Make sure that we're ready to go when those come up. Um, another big question everybody asks is the service impact. What what changes for for um, citizens? Um, what does the service does it improve? Does it stay the same? Does it change? I would say it does change. And I would say that it it will improve. Not based on the fact that you're not getting great service now, but it will improve on a few points. First of all, better training opportunities for your firefighters. Um, in Pleasant Grove, we were a single station city. It's hard to train. We would come up with great trainings, get into them. We got to call, we got to leave. Um, with the district with so many a depth of resources, we can give our firefighters time to train during the day, but we can also ensure that the city's covered while they're doing that. so they can focus in on their training um two, three hours, get trained, make sure they're keeping up with their certifications they need for their jobs, but allow them to focus in and really hone their skills. Um that's a benefit that we would offer. Um but we'd also be able to cover your city while that

training happens, which is another big one. Um access to a greater staffing depth and less reliance on overtime. Um every really organization, fire included, has sick calls in the morning. Um as part of our staffing model, we have um floats firefighters that are available to move quickly when we need to uh staff up for for sick calls for emergencies when firefighters have to leave. It's important to maintain that minimum staffing level in your cities. And we have planned for that. And so we don't rely as much on overtime. we do overtime when we need to, but we have a certain amount of firefighters that we can hurry and ship around and move them around to be able to cover those. Um, another uh point with that uh our staffing model is we have never brown out a unit or a station and especially during CO that was hard, but we were able to maintain all of it because our citizens pay taxes. they expect us to be there. And so we take pride that we've never browned out a unit or a station. Um, another uh asset that would improve service is we have 24/7 on duty battalion chiefs um that provide that chief level uh supervision on big calls. I know Chief Hennessy is awesome about getting out to all the big calls, but even Chief Hennessy has to go home every once in a while. Probably not a lot, but every once in a while. And in the middle of the night when they get that call and they need that, if there's not a chief level officer there, it's automatically going to fall to your captains who do a great job. But when your captains take that position, it pulls them away from their crews, which they need to be with their crews um giving that direction to their crews. And so that 247 access to a battalion chief is important to be able to run those big calls and have that chief level officer on scene all the time. Um, another uh improvement we could make is we're we are able to rapidly bring in

more staffing if there's a big event in your area. And having a big fire or a big uh brush fire in your area is one thing, but the calls don't stop in your area. And so we have the ability to bring extra staffing in to cover those, but also to make sure that your citizens are covered when they call 911, which which is difficult for any department to do, but where we have the larger area, we can move those resources around where we need where we need them. Um, we also have supplemental crews to cover city events for uh medical for your uh parades for anything events you have. Um we also have a wildland mitigation team where we have uh seasonal firefighters that we bring in. They can go through identify, plan and execute mitigation projects in your city to reduce your um likelihood of large fires. Um and those are separate from the crews. Um we do business inspections with dedicated staff. They get out there and inspect your businesses, make sure they're safe. Um, uh, we can do, uh, prevention work and fire investigations, community outre, excuse me, community outreach. And these are all things that firefighters all have to do. And coming from a single station city, I did them, but they're hard to do. And um, be able to get to all of them. And so, as a single station city, you end up having to triage what's important and what you got to back off from. with our dedicated staff, we can help boost that up and allow your um firefighters just focus on being firefighters and respond to 911 calls. Um a big question also is uh our your personnel, what happens to them? Um we would fully intend to take all your personnel and bring them over. Um they would keep their seniority. They would keep their their rank and their grade. Um this would be a huge benefit to them, not only for the things I've mentioned, but to be able to have different career paths. We have battalion chiefs and division chiefs that they can step into and they can take that career path. And we have prevention they can take a

different career path. We have specialty assignments that they can take. Um just a lot more opportunity for them to move into um equipment and the facilities. Um just real quick, the question always comes up, what happens to the equipment? What happens to the facilities? Um, I would expect to see um the equipment come with the firefighters so we can continue to serve the community. Um, there it's equipment that your citizens paid for. It should continue on, but not all of it necessarily. We would look at what we need to maintain and the rest of it would go back to the city to either repurpose or or liquidate. Um, every fire department has to have so much backup equipment. We have backup equipment. We may not need everything that you have. The facilities, that's something we've talked about. the facilities, there's no reason why they wouldn't just remain in possession of the city. Um, we could work out a use agreement with the city. Um, I understand those facilities are important to your assets. They're important to what you guys do and so we could work all that out. Um, really without going in too far and I don't want to take up too much of your time, um, I appreciate you. I appreciate you bringing us here and I I respect the fact that you're making hard decisions for your city. uh many time when you make decisions on uh public safety, it affects everything. It affects your citizens. It affects their safety, but it also affects budgets and financials and all that. So, I respect the the difficult task you have looking into this. I really appreciate that you would look at us. It's just an honor to be able to even come in here and have you guys look at us. And with that, I would just like to open it up for questions that you have.

Anybody have any questions? Hopefully, I haven't talked too much already. So, I have a lot of people tell me I talk too much. Um, okay. Um, well, looks like you answered them all in your presentation, so I hope so. So, thank you. Yeah, you did a great job. I think it was very thorough. So, thank you. I think it's something we might have to reach out to you later, but uh, yeah, anytime. Yeah, you bet. Thanks for coming quick. Oh, here we go. Does this cover also ambulance and paramedic or just fire? It's uh, ambulance, paramedic, fire. So, would to carry over would be the ambulance would carry over. Okay. Yeah, we would provide all that. So, you would provide it or you want the city to carry it over? We we would provide all of it. So, we Yeah, we do EMS, we have EMTs, we have paramedics, we have everything.

The ambulance itself would carry over. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um well, I saw um a couple of Bonavville Lakers uh straggle in uh at the a few minutes late, which I'm kind of disappointed, but uh uh our public comment is over, but uh being a Laker myself, uh I think I'd like to reopen uh the public comment for just a minute to see if uh anyone would like to come up to the microphone. And that means you guys. We got some misinformation on what time it started. So, we thought we were on time when we weren't, but

so we're just here on behalf of senior officers. I'm a senior officer. She's an SPO. I'm Devon Tate. And I'm Kesley.

Um, we're just asking for donations. I'm going to read this letter to you guys. It's for our postgraduation party to celebrate, keep it all safe and everything like that. But Bonavville High School PTA is in the process of planning a party to celebrate the upcoming graduation of the 2026 senior class. The event will be held at Skinny Dogs, previously known as Fat Cats, to provide our students with a safe drug and alcohol-free activity on the evening of their graduation. It is a time where the students can be together, make memories, and as they close the chapter on their high school experiences. In order to provide the students with this opportunity to celebrate their high school successes, we need support from our local communities for your taxdeductible donation of money, services, prizes will help the PTSA provide a wonderful event for our 2026 seniors. Please consider a donation for our 2026 class. Any donation, big or small, will add up to the success of this activity and help send our 2026 seniors off to make the world even more awesome. Thank you for your support in previous years. It's greatly appreciated by our community. So, yeah, we're asking for donations for the party to keep it safe and keep everyone in the same spot, you know, not doing bad things.

Well, I think you're in luck because I think we put some money in the budget last year um for that. uh our police chief always keeps a close eye on that. He likes to keep you guys safe as well and have a a good safe night that night and so we have a little bit of money set aside and uh so thanks for coming and uh we will be able to help you guys out. So thanks for coming. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. You live in Riverdale. Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in. Is there a place you want us to send a check? Uh just PTSA. Okay. Awesome. Thank you guys. Okay. You bet.

Okay. All right. We'll move on to consent items. We have two and we're going to do them separately tonight. So, the first one, uh, advice and consent to confirm Rick Herman as the planning commission chair. Is there any questions or comments about that item? Seeing none, we need a motion to approve. So moved. Have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? All in favor say yes. Yes. Any opposed? All right, that passes unanimously. Next item is consideration to approve the meeting minutes from our February 3rd, 2026 council meeting. Is there any changes or corrections to those meetings? Seeing none, we need a motion to approve.

Move to approve uh the meeting minutes from the February 3rd, 2026 council meeting. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? All in favor say yes. Yes. Any opposed? Very good.

Okay. We uh had one other uh thing to uh discuss with the council before we get into our action items. It's been asked if we would consider uh changing the order of our agenda slightly. We would move item uh we would proceed with item one as in the agenda and then we would move item two down and move three and four up. Is the council amendable to that um change in the agenda? Just uh so that the uh petitioners don't have to sit and wait as we go through item number two. We'll just move it down a couple of spots. So, okay, everybody's kind of giving a headshake. So, go ahead and do that. We could actually do one as well. Move that one down if the council's agreeable to that because there's there's two items there. That's just

Well, let's move down if you're okay with that. We'll So, we'll start with item number three tonight then. Um consideration of ordinance 10003 approving final subdivision plat for River Park Retail located at 4868 South 1050 West as requested by the Steuart Land Company. Mr. Cooper, thanks Mayor. I appreciate that. Um, also I would like to ask that uh I could give the presentation for item three and four together and then there's two separate actions by the council but I'll just I'll just do um the site plan and the subdivision presentation as one one presentation but we will be taking two separate actions. Okay. Yep. Thank you. Sense.

Okay. Uh so as you mentioned this is the river park retail uh final subdivision and site plan. Um the subdivision is uh approved by ordinance and the site plan is just a vote of the council. We do have the applicant team here, Mr. Sky Hazelhurst and Jason Thompson. Um, so if there's any questions that you have that I don't cover or can't answer, then they're here to help. Uh, so you're familiar with this site, I'm sure. This is the uh empty lot a little bit north of Jo-Ann's. It actually uh is comprised of two parcels. um the 4868 parcel there and then the little dog leg of the larger parcel that's on the um kind of southwest or southeast side of Joann's there between Jo-Ann's and Sam's. Uh so that's part of why the subdivision is necessary is to combine um that larger parcel into the uh into the yellow there. This is in the RCP or the retail commercial park zone and there's a number of objectives listed in that zone. I've I've highlighted them here. We won't cover them all, but I wanted to make them part of the record. This is what we also presented to the planning commission. Um, it's a it's a zone that's meant to to have development happen over a over a region that's um pre-planned and um established in a development agreement. And so, because it's part of this area, we've taken cues from um the adjacent properties. And you'll see that here in just a few minutes. The subdivision plat is is here for reference. It's also part of your packet. That's the final subdivision plat. It has gone through all of the city review cycle and has um reflected the comments that the city's provided. So, so that is the final state of the plat as is the site plan. Um it's received its its final review and there's a couple of conditions I'll cover. So, back to the to the subdivision. Uh so, this is a three lot

subdivision. You can see there that um it does grab that that extra piece from the bigger piece which is lot four. Uh the three lots would then have three commercial buildings, singlestory commercial buildings, two of which would uh have drive-throughs and then a couple of uh standalones. Uh this is meant to again kind of blend into the adjacent property that was under the original development agreement when when the area was developed with Home Depot and Sam's. Here's the site plan again. So the first phase would be the dark gray area. You can see pad A, pad B, pad C. Those pad B and pad C would be subsequent building phases. But the developer has um worked with us in including most of the parking lot and the ingress and eress of the site into into uh the first phase with pad A. Pad A has two drive-throughs, one on the north end of the building, one on the south. And you can see how the lanes double up on the north end and then they uh kind of merge on the south end um with or not merge but crisscross and exit there at the bottom. The two units on the interior of pad A would just be standalone or or non-drive-through through units. The developer does have a couple of tenants in mind that would occupy that north and south um drive-thru unit in pad A. Uh pad B would also be a drive-thru unit uh in in this um proposal. And then pad C would just be kind of a standalone unit that would potentially allow traffic to drive through. So, we've looked at how this all might work together, but really what the site plan um is comprised of is just that gray area. That's what is being asked for approval tonight and what they will be building as phase one. Uh one of the considerations that we look at in the RCP is the landscape

plan. So, I've included that. That's also in your packet. Um we looked at the uh coverage area for landscaping. Um the total site will be will meet the ordinance but right now the the uh first phase which is mainly pad A um comes short of the ordinance. So there is a commitment to meet the ordinance as the full development uh happens with pad B and C. We looked at ingress and egress as well and how that might be affected by um sight lines as and uh landscaping and those kind of things. And so that was all treated in the in the review. Uh separate from the review process is the design review committee that looks at elevations. This has already been through the design review committee. That's the first step. And this was um approved by that committee. Again, because this is an area that's meant to kind of work together, because of the scale and the size of the buildings, we asked them to reach out a little bit further and and look at the um the town square project that is fairly new. Uh same architect actually and uh that those buildings are similar and so they pulled some cues from those buildings. You can see that um the materials are going to be similar. Um the colors are a little bit different uh but the materials are also similar to the larger buildings that you see with Home Depot and Target and Sam's. So we think it'll be a nice fit. There's a some additional elevations there. And they did make some changes. These these elevations reflect the changes that they they made based on the design review committee comments to help with the street facing side of the building which is actually the back of the building but it faces the street in this configuration. So we asked them to to um treat that a little bit differently and they did that and that's reflected here. So in addition to the landscaping we looked at the parking and the loading.

Uh the code requires a minimum of 74 parking stalls. They have 81 across the whole development. Um we looked at uh the utilities of course and and how they might um connect into the U dot road and I'll get to that in just a minute. as part of our consideration and that's uh essentially what the planning commission reviewed as we presented to them. Uh they looked at the review that we made. Uh they also uh has some questions about circulation throughout the site especially as it ties into uh SAMs up at the north at the north east side what that might look like. There is an access easement there. So there will be um s uh sufficient ingress and eress there over the shared property. Um it doesn't quite show up in this drawing, but if you look hard, you have the main access that's there in the dark gray in the middle of the the plan. There's a second access just to the east of that. It's kind of grayed out. So that'll come in phase two with pad C. And then if you go even further east, there's another access that will all um front onto that main driveway. So that was a consideration um that the council or excuse me the commission had and was part of our discussion there. So uh they we met on the 24th and um based on that discussion and and some of the information that they received they have recommended um approval to you for this plan with a couple of conditions finding that it's harmonious with the overall character and existing development. So essentially meeting the base um elements of the RCP. The conditions are the same as what we would suggest to you tonight. Um we suggest that uh this plan, both the site plan and the subdivision meet all of the uh Riverdale City um codes and regulations and we would recommend approval subject

to the finalization of the improvement guarantee. That's still in the works. um that takes some time to finalize the actual cost of those subdivision and public improvements and then the banks typically have their own process to issue a letter of credit. So we would ask that the any approval tonight would be based on or subject to that. Uh they have completed the water transfer that was um that was a condition of the planning commission but since then that has been paid for and executed. And then there's a few issues with um the long-term long-term storm water maintenance plan that we have to um review and correct and then that gets recorded. But the big one is the final UD do access permit. Uh so that that is an important step in the whole process. Without that, they're not able to connect to uh the street for their utilities. So that's the uh conclusion that we've made that um it does comply with all of the regulations and the rules and that we would ask that you approve it subject to those conditions. Any questions for Mr. Cooper?

Councelor Arnold. So the the site plan puts everything on the entryway right in front of Joann's to the north of Joann's. There's no ingress egress on 1050 at all.

Right. There's actually an um a curb cut there. I'm assuming there was some anticipation back when that curb was placed that there would be access there, but you can see there that they're proposing to close that and bring everything off of that shared drive off of 1050 with three points of ingress into their site. And what I mentioned to the planning commission is that once you turn into that what feels like a road right now because it's empty on both sides, if you look at the proposed site plan and then they've drawn in some of the islands that currently exist there, it'll feel much like a like you're driving into a parking lot because you'll have you'll have um islands on both sides and accesses on both sides. So, it'll slow traffic down and I think with the appropriate amount of signage, which they have, uh, it'll it'll function well.

Councelor Stevens.

Yeah. Um, couple things. I appreciate in watching the the planning commission video. Appreciate you using your microphone. if you could encourage the planning commissioners, particularly females, to lean forward and speak into the microphone because it was really hard to hear comments. All right, enough said on that. Now, question more on the road. Okay, as I look at this lot one, two, three, and four. Now, the four takes the the south part um east of Jo-Ann's. Is that all? by the same owned by this is this all owned by the same people. I I mean is this all one? We don't have multiple entities owning different lots, do we?

Right. So here's the subdivision plat. Um once the subdivision plat is recorded, uh title will transfer to a single ownership of lot 1, two, and three. Now, they are um they're they are individual parcels, so they could be sold in the future, but right now it'll be held under one ownership. Okay. So, and four is separate. Four is a completely separate owner, not part of the applicant team. And um the existing uh Jo-Ann's commercial subdivision is a separate owner as well.

Okay. the so-called road that comes off a 1050 that is used primarily to go to either Jo-Ann's when that was the Jo-Ann's or to go to Sam's is that's uh that's a private road correct is well it's a I wouldn't call it a road it's a private access but it does have shared use okay so the city does not maintain or plow it or remove snow right that's correct

okay is it going going to continue to be that way and in this development is a private shared access however you described it. Um the applicant might be able to speak more in detail, but from the easements that I've read, it's a perpetual non-exclusive um irrevocable easement, and they might be able to confirm or deny that even

when not not not now, but when they present, but okay. Um, even though it's not it's in lot four and we're probably not using that as a primary uh discussion point right now tonight. There is that um drainage area and was that designated as wetland at one point? I kind of think it was. Is that um or is that strictly a an overgrown deferred? I don't think it was ever designated as wetland. a storm drainage system as far as I know.

Okay. Um former city council member uh was pretty adamant at one point 20 years ago when I was on planning commission Nancy Bruff. Um but anyway, and so I I don't know if that was her interpretation or if that really was okay. But that's really not for this four though. It's in four. In four that it looks overgrown, but it looks very natural like the reads and the whatnot. And it looks it's attractive, but it's a when the wind blows, it becomes a garbage collection point. Um, as long as it's maintained, it's it's actually attractive. But

and this subdivision and site plan doesn't affect that at all. So, if it is a wetland, then it would continue in one, two, three, four, or one, two, and three, but it's in four. And I and I I understand that. Okay. Um, all right. I'm I'm You said you kind of use the um architectural sampling is the same as what we have on Riverdale Road, which was what Krubis put in. What' you call that? Colonial. Is that the name of it? It's Town Square.

Trap Town Square. I really don't like that. Um, I think it's it's it looks like a wall on Riverdale Road. I've uh I can see the functionality of it. I don't think it's attractive. And I hopefully this maybe has a little more setback than than that does on Riverdale Road. I I just don't find that attractive on Riverdale Road. But um anyway, that's that's my two cents and since I have a voice, I'm going to articulate. Any other comments? Anyway, that's for you gentlemen.

Would the petitioner like to come up and say anything or present anything? You don't have to, but if you would you like to come up or you don't have to.

We actually did address that in in design review. That was the exact question that we had and all of us had that same concern and that's why we asked him cuz originally when you looked at the backs of those buildings it looked like what exactly what you were describing and so we asked him to try and dress that up so that that looked not that they are entrances but that it looks more like it is. So it's more of a storefront look rather than a backside of a building. And that was these latest drawings you can see they don't look as much like it's a backside. You can't really tell if it's the back or the front. So,

and they were really good to uh give variation in the roof lines and pop them out a little bit. Like there's another maybe the next one, Michelle, I think shows some of the variation problem is it's it's kind of it's right up just off the sidewalk. Yeah. And it it there's with small breaks and and it just Anyway, I have there'll probably be a bigger burm on this one, I think, than Riverdale Road like because there's a pretty good burm uh in like the island area or something in there. or the park kind of the park strip.

Yeah, we looked at that um a little bit with the uh pad A especially because of the way that the the drive-thru wraps around on the west side. We didn't want that um headlight noise to affect oncoming traffic. And so there is a burm. You can see that a little bit on the landscape plan there. There's a picture of it at the bottom. And Jason has stepped up to maybe educate us a bit more on what that will look like. And some shrubbery, I think. Wasn't there some short shrubs on that bur? Yeah, it'll be a combination of a of an earth burm and some shrubs. So, we'll we'll let the petitioner talk.

Those are strategically placed at the top of the burm. It provides some additional um screening for the headlights. And they're a type that, you know, it's going to screen year round and not, you know, go away in the fall and be gone for the winter and then come back in the spring. So, we purposely did that because that was one of the concerns brought up and that's how we addressed that. As far as the access goes, that drive aisle, that shared drive aisle is we're we are a member of the CCNRs there. We just don't have to pay until we develop. So, we will just pitch in and be part of the maintenance for that. So, yeah, it'll stay like that for perpetuity. So, any questions for these guys? Council Richtor,

just just a quick up maybe an update on the on the UDOT encroachment. Is there a delay or anything delay longer than what you were expecting or something going on there? No, we so we got comments back about a month ago, turn it around in in a few days, and the comments were the least I've ever seen from Utah. So, that was encouraging, but they have about a four-week turnaround time after you put it back in before they review it and get back. So, we're expecting them, you know, the next week to to respond hopefully with approval considering it was few comments before. So, there's no problems there. It's just their process is just slow. Okay. Is that echoed by staff? The timing feels appropriate on that.

Yeah, I think so. It's a two-step process. So, what we look for is the watermark on the design and then it's the contractor who actually gets the the actual permit to do the work. So, as part of our review and approval, we're looking for their their stamp of approval. Yeah. Thank you, Councelor Arnold. What What is the UD do encroachment on that if if you're not going on to 1050 at all? That was my question when Yeah. when when this came up. Yeah.

So, it's kind of it's a two-part process. The first one is getting a conditional access permit, which you hear the term access. You're like, well, we're not getting an access, so why is that? Why are we getting an access permit? That's just their approval process, whether you're adding an access or removing an access in this case. And that's just their way of kind of approving it from a planning engineering side of things. And then when it goes to the construction phase, that's when they require the encroachment permit. They won't they won't issue an encroachment permit unless they have that conditional access permit basically approving the plan. So that's mainly, you know, why there's that process and why they're named what they're named. Yep.

Okay. Council Arnold, I I can't I hate it. um without having anything on 1050. It puts everything on that access and it puts it right across the street from the entry from Target and um you know that whole shopping center right there and people are trying to go straight. It's already difficult to to get on to 1050 sometimes in the peak times. you start putting, you know, more and this is just pad A, but then you do pad B and then C is people start building right there and that's how it goes. And if there was any way to like connect with Home Depot or something like that so we could use that access point as well to alleviate some of the the demand.

Yeah. It's just, you know, it's just puts it all right there on that one choke point. And it it does get busy, especially in the school time frame when they're the school's letting out primarily, but that that street gets really busy at that time. So, I I I'd just like to see something on uh 1050 somehow. And if we could use Home Depot's parking lot, I mean, just going on that backside on that north side, if that could cut into that, it it's the rear entrance of Home Depot. Yeah. But just putting everything on that one street just is just going to cause tons of problems.

I think this is your storm water section, isn't it? Or something, isn't that section of the Right. Right. We've got, of course, the drive-throughs and then the storm the detention basin that's above ground as part of our, you know, additional emergency storage. And also, you know, the Home Depot land is private. So, getting an access through there is probably going to be pretty difficult. Yeah. And they're not even part of the same uh CCNRs either, so it's totally separate. If they were part of it, we could try to do some trading, right? Pay for something and help and change the access, but it's completely separate. Can I just Yeah. Just for my clarification,

because it's a 1050 State Road, U DOT, and they've only allowed the one egress, the one that's already there. Is that it? Correct. That's what was applied for and that's what is under review with UD do right now.

The one in front of Joann's that's that's always been there. I mean, I hate I I use that quite a bit to go over to Sam's. I really don't like that. And you start adding businesses in there. Um, that's why I asked if it was all private or if we have some input on, you know, and I heard you say, well, put some crosswalks for safety or whatever as a mitigation purposes, but it it's got to be a more designated thoroughfare or street because just in between Jo-Ann's and pad A and pad B and you know that road is is is kind of it's really not feasible in my from my perspective and you and then when you add the traffic it's it's becomes less than desirable from my perspective. So, a couple of thoughts that I had uh when when I was looking at this and Sean might have have some additional thoughts um is that again as this area was developed with Jo-Ann's and and Sam's and things, there were two access points that were dedicated. one or not dedicated but um identified the one we're talking about right in front of Joann's which is the one that's used and part of their um CCNRs and then the other one that's being um that's being closed off. In my review, I looked at having both of those open as you're suggesting as more of a conflict and worse of a situation than having one or the other. And given the one in front of Jo-Ann's is currently there and is currently um covenanted and it's part of the the recorded easements, it made sense to look at their proposal favorably in closing the one off at 1050, especially given the layout of the site, of course. But having the Joann's

approach and then having another approach u you know 150 ft away was more of a conflict in my review. Now Sean and others Todd and might have some different opinions, but that's kind of what we looked at. Council Anderson,

I wouldn't wonder if we tried to offset those. If you have people coming out of Target and Joann's and they're offset as they're trying to navigate that, I could see potential for having um more accidents arise out of that because people are trying to turn and somebody else is trying to turn and they're not accounting for each other because they're on opposite sides. So, well, it's all right. though it's though it's not perfect.

Um I think from a safety standpoint that yes it's busy and unless we can there isn't a dedicated turn lane. It's just that that open island uh where people choose to turn

uh to go into Jo-Ann's and Sams. Um, I just feel like that it's the better situation than trying to offset those. None of them are perfect, but I think that uh it's the better choice. My personal opinion, councelor Arnold, they're already there. There's nothing to offset. They're already straight across from each other. There's nothing to offset. There's just we're going to add more demand onto the road by Joanne. And if you go out the east side of it, they're going to be cutting through the fuel area, right,

for Sam's Club. I mean, this this is adding more demand on existing structures that there's no offset. They're just they're straight across from each other. Forgive me if I misunderstood, but I heard that we were trying to entertain the possibility of having it moved elsewhere to Home Depot or um but I can see how that would conflict with the current site plan because they have to have the retention basin uh for storm water. Um, yes, it's a that was where I was seeing the offset was trying to propose that we had something different than what we already have there at that intersection.

And UDOT actually prefers accesses to be lined up across the street from each other because when you start offsetting, that's when you start getting some of those conflicts. In fact, in my experience, if there is an offset, they usually don't approve it. They always make you line them up across from each other, especially when there's not a median there for makes it even harder to have an offset for sure. There is quite a bit of access to the property off of like River Park Drive and stuff. I mean, coming coming from the south and and even from Sam's, but it is a little bit of a distance

for the size. is I mean compared to other projects we have a lot of ours are one or two access points you know with two acres where this will eventually have three I mean the circulation is relatively good compared to other pads you know I I see it's not perfect but it's it's definitely better than a lot of the ones we've we've inherited so and again that was the intention of the Joan subdivision and this um Sam subdivision is to allow that cross access uh to multiple points throughout the site. So, they've anticipated those connections and they've provided for it in the easements and the CCNRs.

And and there'll actually be one more up at the top like would that be the north northeast corner of the the yellow square going into Sams? Is that right? Like eventually Well, that would be part of phase one if you look at the site plan. So that was um we asked them to make sure that that connection flowed through so that as you come through the site, you're not stuck in the parking lot, you have to turn around and come out so that you can get through the access. And that was actually left open. Um if you recall, if you go out there now, the curb flares in anticipation of a connection point there as part of the initial design. Councelor Stevens.

Okay. Um three is to prove the final sub subdivision plat. Okay. So in for number three what we're looking to have an approval or uh on is to um is that for the subdivision? Tell me what we're trying to accomplish in in number three. So there's there's two actions. Number three is specifically what you're looking at here and it's approved by ordinance. The ordinance is in your packet. Um and you that would uh approve the final plat and that would give the developer authorization to not only do the work but go record the plat with the county.

So basically it's for the one on the north that includes lot one, two, and three. Well, the subdivision is is amending um lot four and thus creating lot one, two, and three. Oh, I see. So, it's I get it. Okay. All right. Okay. So, that's that's what three is trying to accomplish and four is trying to accomplish site plan, the approval of this site plan. Okay, I get it. Okay. So, because we've been talking interchangeably between the two

and they largely are, that's why our ordinance allows for a site plan and a subdivision to run concurrent because there's so many things that are connected in terms of how they work. Uh, so so this is from what I have um seen with uh Mike and and the others that we've done, running site plan and subdivision concurrent is is pretty typical as it is in other cities. Okay. But I mean, as far as a discussion because I'm I'm good to go on three, but I've got some reservations on four. Okay, that's just me. Okay. Anybody else have any questions or comments or want to make a motion of any sort?

Arnold. Oh, sorry. I'll go on number three. Uh, move to approve ordinance 1003 approving final subdivision plat for River Park retail location at 4868 South 1050 West as requested by uh Steuart Bland Company. All right, we have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? Miss Margo, will you please pull the council? Sorry. Councelor Stevens. Yes. Anderson. Yes. Sir Richtor. Yes. Sir Arnold. Yes. Okay, that passes unanimously. Very good. Thanks.

All right. Any further questions or comments uh or motions for item number four, Councelor Arnold.

So, as a comment, I'm not in favor of this site plan. Um and they can redraw the anything that they want um with the um retention basins or whatever. They can use the retention basins to get further off the street or something like that, which I would be um in favor of. Um I I too agree with councelor Stevens about Riverdale Road. I think we need to do a lot to spruce up the road and maybe have some lighting or something like that. And I just don't see it um here. And we don't know what um is it pad B is going to be um increasing more volume there. And I really think it's a bad idea to to um take that one out to the east out by the fuel area for uh Sam's Club because there's just no access, no no way to leave without crossing that parking lot right there, which I do it all the time to get to the the fuel. I mean, and I just think if everybody's doing it, I just think it needs to have a better flow of some sort. Sorry. Um, no. And and I just want I I'm generally supportive actually. Uh, I think I think it actually does have pretty good flow. I'm I I recognize the concern um about the the visual piece on on 1050 there. It just from the site plans that I'm seeing there, it does look like there's some mitigation. It looks like there's a burm. Looks like there's additional uh landscaping there. And it does look like it set back further. So, I I recognize that's all just personal opinion. Um, I don't see anything that violates or is runs contrary to uh our

our codes or our um I mean, with the exception of those uh couple of items that need future approval at some point, there's nothing from my perspective that uh that would prohibit this. So, So, with that, I I would make a motion to approve um ordinance 103 approving the final subdivision plat for River Park Res. Hang on. Yeah, I'm on the right one. This is going to be a consideration to approve the site plan. Oh, the site plan. I'm on the wrong one. Item number four. Yep.

Excuse me. Let me get back to it here. It must be linking to the wrong one. I apologize. Thank you. Consideration to approve site plan for River Park Retail located at 4846 South, 1050 West as requested by Steuart Land Company. Okay, we have a motion to have a second. I'll second that. Motion and a second. Okay, any discussion on that motion? Mayor, may I just add the conditions? Thank you.

Yeah, we would like to add those for sure. you need to add those uh those conditions that were located in the packet. Um should have them in front, but I do not. You have those back on the screen. Yep. Uh let's see. Thank you. There they were right there. Yeah. Under under the following conditions that we finalized the required improvement guarantee, finalized the required long-term storm water maintenance plan, and obtain final UD do encroachment access permit. Okay. have some conditions. A motion uh is the second okay with those those changes. Okay. Motion in a second. Uh let's see. Was it councelor Stevens maybe had a comment?

Um yeah, I'll just say it. I've learned playing nice and asking you to do something is is not always even if I say please won't will won't happen. So, I'm not going to support this because I would like to see it revitalized with some of the concerns and um I mean in theory I think it it's a go. I just there's just some couple of things I'm not I don't feel comfortable with overall and so uh I'll just leave it at that and I and I it and hopefully it doesn't set you back too much to do some revision a little bit with some input. Um anyway, that's that's my two cents. Okay. Any other comments? Council Arnold. I I would like it to see it tabled so it doesn't set you back too much so we can make some changes and you can do them quickly but if it doesn't pass and it might pass but if it doesn't pass then it sets you back even further and that's not what I'm trying to do and I don't think councelor Steven is either. I just there's some things that that we did wrong in places and I don't think we should do them again. Okay. Any other comments?

Maybe just a clarification. If you're asking for perhaps for a table to to for them to submit what would be the just revisions just any type of site plan revision got a vote on it. Okay. Okay. So, but do you have any direction for what that would be? I would. Okay. Well, we we not on the agenda right now. We have a motion on the table. So, um we need to proceed with that. Um, Miss Margon, will you please poll? Can it be re withdrawn? The motion could be withdrawn, right? If Yeah. Yeah, you could withdraw, but for further discussion, I mean, yeah, that's legal. That's according to rules. He could withdraw the motion.

I'll I'll withdraw the motion um briefly for a little bit additional discussion if for for two for two weeks. Well, well, no. No. I just want to make sure I understand. Does the second have to withdraw, too? You just Yes, they'd both have they both have to withdraw. Is this the second okay to withdraw? Clarification, please. So, if we if we withdraw the discussion that we're going to be holding is right now to right now in order to identify the areas that we want to clarify and then we could reenter or reestablish the motion. Definitely could do a new motion. Yeah. Yeah. You could pull the motion back and then have a new motion. Uh, okay. So, did you want So, with that, I'm I'm just looking for some additional clarification.

Are we going to resend the motion? Resend the motion. Second's okay. Yes. Okay. The motion has been rescended. Uh, so is there some more discussion? I just want clarification on what uh the other council members might be asking of the developers here um and go from there. I I don't know if I know what that is other than just vague. It's okay if I say anything? Uh, go ahead.

Okay. Just a couple things. Um, there's been talk about access to the north. Um, since that's private property we don't have any control over, I don't know that that is something you guys are talking about, but I don't see that's something that we are going to be able to pursue since it's not, you know, property that we're a part of. You know, it's not part of the overall development of CCR CCNRs. As far as 1050 west, you know, that being a UD do road, you know, anything that occurs on that road, I, you know, UD do, you know, as development occurs and traffic increases, you know, mitigation that they have to do within the roadway is something that they take care of, you know, over time. In other words, um this development isn't necessarily triggering any increased traffic to the point to where it's requiring anything done on 1050 west or 1050. Yeah, 1050 west. And then, you know, kind of what's mentioned before is, you know, in terms of circulation, this development was master plan and designed with multiple connection points, you know, the two on the south, you know, through Joann's next to Sam Club and then even Sam's Club has multiple entrances as well. So, as far as access goes, you know, we do have plenty of points of access. I I drive through this area quite a bit cuz I'm from South Weieber and and I usually find the least point of resistance, right? So, if I'm going into Target, sometimes I'll go to the south end, sometimes I'll go to the middle, sometimes I'll come from the north. Just kind of depends on, you know, where traffic is best and easiest to to maneuver. So, um, and then as far as that connection on the northeast side, one of the reasons why that was added, um, apart from just having additional access points was also for emergency purposes. So, um, that's there to help with, you know, fire truck access and other emergency vehicles. So, you know, there's some blockages on the other ones, they have another place to to exit. Um, personally I don't see that being used a ton for people navigating back and forth, but obviously it's an

access point. If it's convenient, people will use it. But those are just a few few thoughts that I just want to share based on what I heard you guys talk about. Okay. Other comments? I'm watching for hands. Councelor Anderson,

I just want to point out one thing that I looked at with this was the elevations are going to be lower and you're going to have that Burming which will have landscaping across there. So, it's not going to have the same stark appearance that uh Town Square has because for those you see directly into the access routes for uh the drive-throughs, there's really no landscaping. So, for myself, I can see where that would buffer those lines and soften those lines so it's not quite so stark. Um, so I feel like that what they've done to try and mitigate the headlights that would be coming on and interfering with people rounding through there back and forth, they've tried to mitigate that with the landscaping. And I think that that will serve to soften some of those lines so it's not quite so stark and pronounced that we're seeing with Town Square. Town Square, is it?

Yeah. Okay. Any other comments? Could you speak to the elevation changes there for as far as like how much of an elevation change there is?

Yeah, I think while he's looking that up, you know, we looked at keeping that uh 1050 access open and a lot of uh this was tenant driven. you know, every tenant that's interested in this building is really worried about if you're trying to make a right-hand turn out of that old um curb cut and someone's also trying to make a turn out of the the corner. Um they're going to be there's going to be constant flow of right hands and getting someone else 130 ft away to also make a right-hand turn. these tenants were all really concerned about that backing up and then backing into the drive-through lanes and then it just becoming a, you know, a gridlock in the parking lot. So, that was really what when we started that design changes from input from actual tenants. So, just so you know, that's that's where that came from. you know, just by as a point of reference, 30 years ago when that was put in, um, I was kind of new here, but I was kind of connected with people who were, you know, they put the Joann's building, and that lot, what you're talking about, was supposed to have another building equivalent to Joann's, you know, where in that era they were putting in bigger buildings and and whatnot. So obviously it never materialized and and and that's why I understood why they did the cut there um for that building as opposed to a separate um access to Joanne said and building that was supposed to go there but that was of course 30 years ago in the early 90s never happened and so uh issues have changed so now you're looking at instead of a bigger one big building now they're a lot of small entities that go in, shops that go in. And so it's a different dynamics. I get

it. And so that's having that second one as a egress is is not and I get it. It's not feasible to have three pads there um for that. That's understandable. I something's something's got to be more I don't know um a better delineation of that road having it bigger I don't I don't I I just see that to be a bottleneck and as as it as it as this thing develops I think Can you can you step up to the mic so our people online can

I think that um I'm just thinking to myself, how or what what can I do? Um, I'm certainly happy to do what I can. I I really am. I'm sorry. Are you're the developers? Are you an You're the engineer? No, I'm I'm the developer. I'm the engineer. You're the engineer. Okay. So, I'm I'm just thinking through, you know, what can we do in the CCNRs? And is there somehow we can change that drive aisle? I don't I don't know. Because you own half of it. Is that kind of what it is? Like I don't own any of it. your property line kind of looks like it goes down strip of it that's part of yeah I guess there's

yeah but it's all there's easement on top of easement you know in perpetuity so I can't touch it unless I get some sort of majority vote which I'd have to look and see what that means but you're talking Walmart which the automatic reply is no to everything I've ever asked I'm sorry what does Walmart have to do with this Sam's Club they're part of it oh I got it okay yeah so they're so so they they own part of that road that have access. Yeah. Every member of that shopping center has Okay. Okay.

Yep. And they're the the gorilla there. You know, they pay the most for everything and they have the biggest uh largest voting percentage as far as making any changes there. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just letting you know kind of contractually what I'm up against. Council Arnold, did you have a comment? Well, I was I was just wondering if So, one of the things that we looked at on 900 West is to have a dedicated turn lane turning right. Remember when we pushed for that because part of the problem is there's such a backup on 900 West right by McDonald's going on to Riverdale Road. So, we pushed for a dedicated turn lane. So if we had a if we had there was a dedicated turn lane

like a right hand only right hand only and then that way it would alleviate some of the traffic to go left and then because what what happens is people start backing up there and then they start shooting through other areas to do stuff and then and I think up by the fuel I mean that's I get practically all my gas from Sam's Club there

and it's um up in the top part of the parking lot there's really no throughway or anything like that. So, if people start seeing bottlenecks coming out of there, then they're going to shoot the other way and then it puts it up by the fuel, which puts it right in the parking lot. There's no dedicated driveway or anything that that way. But if if there was a dedicated right-hand turn lane coming out of that to alleviate some of that, so somebody that's turning left isn't going to be waiting, hopefully you alleviate some of those bottlenecks. And then because you always have the somebody trying to go straight across the street from that entry way right there at Target to come straight across the street and screws the world up.

Crazy. Yeah. And then you have everybody coming from the school at 3:30 to 4:30 kind of thing. So if there was something like a dedicated right-hand turn coming to that, it would it would probably eat into your pad B a little bit. But if I mean, if you're willing to do something like that, I I would hope the city would do something with landscaping or, you know,

so so well, sorry, not to interrupt you at all, but but what they did at 900 was like a I think they called a lamb chop sometimes or something. It's like a a traffic control device that forces people just to go right-hand only. I don't think our fire department loves those. Um, and it didn't even really work not even going to be our fire department in the future. It didn't work on 900 West anyway cuz people could still get wherever they want to go. But I love you still. Um I'm I'm not even sure if that's really an option because it's not really Well, I guess it's a I don't know. We might have to move a monument sign or if we can if we can stay clear of it. Really? There's a monument sign right there on the corner. Yeah. Uh number 17 or 11. I can't see it clearly.

You see that little box? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's right there. Yeah, which we've been talking about trying to move it, but again, it's Oh, it's the sign for all of Yeah, I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I'm like a small boat in a big pond here of I thought you were talking a monument like, you know, there was some massacre there. No, this thing's a that's a beast. So, mayor, can I just clarify what you're saying, counselor? Um, so are you saying paint on the ground to dedicate a lane or are you talking about like a ride in, right out, restricted access? Well, you want I don't know if you could have a right in, but a right out. Is there enough width there to to stripe a separate turn lane?

So, just to be clear, you're talking about where the the access intersects with 1050 west. Mhm. And having just a striped right turn lane, if I understand it, I'll tell you what we need, and I don't know if we can get you do to do it, is put a light there. Ooh, that we're throwing down the It's not an intersection. That's a whole different Yeah, they're not roads, right? Not roads. There's no intersection. How about another roundabout? We have about 36 ft there. Do two. I mean, just scaling off this small plan here. Um, which I mean that's enough for three 12 foot lanes. Lanes. So,

tech coming in and one out straight left or right only, you know, that sort of thing. So there is some potential for that because it is a pretty I mean it's not like it's a minimum width of 26 feet all the way through there. It's it's a pretty wide throat access through there. If we can make a way to paint to get that three lanes instead of two. Would that be something you'd be willing to motion with that um condition to approval tonight? I'm sorry. Say that again. to do three if we can get three lanes instead of two there. So a designated right and then

and then a right or can we or then a turn a left turn and then in in Okay. Yep. So two out one in basically right. Yeah. Is there is there anything you could do on the east side to put it closer to I don't I don't know how the how that would fit in the parking lot right there on the Sam's Club parking lot. You mean the the connection in the top right? Yeah. What are you asking for about that? A different way to do that where it I don't know if it comes into uh where am I going to enter that parking lot a different way

if it's right there at the top seat. People are going to with what they have up there. It's going to go above the islands and then it goes right into their fuel lanes. So, they're either going to go, you know, turn by their shed and come down and go out the other way because there's kind of a road on this side of the the fuel station. But it's I mean it and that's probably where we would want to go. But there's just no access point there without just kind of cutting through their parking lot into the drive aisle. Yeah.

Well, there is a that island there that you see that first one you come to as you're pulling out. That's actually kind of right in front of you when you're when you're pulling out going east. So naturally, a person's going to either veer right and go south to get out or if they go to the north, they're they're, you know, drop fuel area, which they're going to learn quickly that they they're not there's nowhere to go there and have to drop through one of the islands or the aisles there. But the the path of least resistance is going to be to curve around to the right and go south. um and exit one of those directions. Yeah,

we do we have any poll with Home Depot or anything or we could talk to them and ask them if we could do something on that side. Does Petrubis own land or Home Depot? I I'm being faced. Yeah, you guys are funny here tonight. Um well, I I can only I can't speak for Home Depot, but they block that alleyway off a lot of times back there. They're not going to let anybody else go through there. Yeah, they store a lot of their material right there. Well, that that's not in the alleyway. That's right. But it's still it's going to you're going to get traffic going there and they don't like that at all. And plus they're using a lot of that for storage now, too. It's just they're not supposed to do that either.

You're right. And I I'm a little bit concerned on the little if we moved that to the south a little bit. Some of that is a retention pond for Sam's. And so I don't know how much room we would even have on that. And there again, if we're going to move it, he's going to have to go back to Sam's and get permission. And that creates problem. That's their property. Right. And it's like a you might as well be. Uh let's have uh Mr. Douglas come up and give us some comments here for a second. If I could add real quick, we could add a sign for ex an exit sign pointing people the direction to go to exit along with some striping on the ground at that location.

So I would just say one thing. If you start looking at access coming out of that at the island where we're talking where we're trying to limit the right turns to right turn only. If UD do steps in on that, what's going to happen there is you're gonna have an island the full length of that road and you're going to limit access to every one of your businesses you already have because that's that's their first step. If there's any concern there and they they get if that's highlighted to them, they're going to say, "Well, we can solve that." And they'll island that from probably from the intersection of Riverdale Road all the way through. So, just keep that in mind that that's probably the downside of petitioning them to put something there to limit your right right and left turns

and I don't have a problem with that at all. That that's an island down 1050. You know what? It's a mess and it's like I I don't drive it once in a while. I drive it every day. Any other comments or questions?

I appreciate the discussion, but I'm not sure I heard anything that would change my my view of of this um one way or the other.

We have four. Mr. Brooks is would he be the tiebreaker? Okay. Okay. I would make a motion to approve the site plan for River Park Retail located at 4868 South, 1050 West as requested by Steuart Land Company with the following uh conditions. Those being uh finalize required improvement guarantee, finalize required long-term storm water maintenance plan, and obtain final U DOT access permit. Okay, we have a motion and we have a second. Uh, comments on those. Can we get some street lighting in that area

along the Well, it's up to you guys, not him, but to to get some sort of street lighting put in that burm area with the so the the light just isn't coming off the buildings. So, we have some better looking lighting in the city. We have some stansions there with some poles. You mean those green ones with the big Yeah, they're nice. Nice. Yeah, there's street lights. Okay, so we have a motion just in a second. More discussion. Okay, now as as it is, you're only you you proposed to put in three lanes. Is that in in stone? Does that need to be

That wasn't in the motion. No, it' have to be in the motion. Okay. Okay. Any other questions or comments? Did you want to put it in the motion? I didn't because I think uh I think Mr. Douglas's comment was appropriate there, too. Okay. Okay. Miss Maragon, would you please pull the council? Sorry, one second. I have a question. Um, in the rules it says things have to be approved by a majority of the voting members, but but I can break a tie with these guys if there's

Yeah, there's we have the rule in there. I think it's in section 4 something 44 or something and on a tie break especially where we don't have a member here tonight because that's what'll happen and that's why that's in there for you to break down. I was reading that this week the rules and I because so if we have a quorum just sorry well anyway I understand that now okay thanks all right will you please pull the council councelor Richter yes Stevens no Arnold no councelor Anderson yes okay we have a tie so this is exciting this doesn't happen very often Um,

Councelor Hansen, uh, is not here tonight, unfortunately. So, um, I think it's a hard decision, uh, because I think there's been a lot of good points made. Um, uh, and I, I think, uh, I think the development is, um, going to be good for the area, and I like I like the design. I think you guys were pretty responsive to what we asked for in our design review. Um, and and the kind of the comment that got me more than anything is uh councelor Richter's comment that I I can't find a good reason to not approve it. To be honest, I don't I don't I don't think I feel like I have standing to tell you no on this. I think you've you've met the requirements of what the city has. Um I I feel like there's lots of different accesses to the area. Um it's not perfect, but we have areas all over Riverdale that have cross parking lots, you know, things. Um the buildings out by the road is a new thing. That isn't how it used to be, but that's how it is these days. So, um I think this is going to look better than Riverdale Road, and the setbacks are better. Um the BM's better, the make the vegetation's better. So, I'm going to vote uh in favor to approve uh the final site plan.

So, is that a yes or no? That's a yes. Okay. Um thank you. Okay. Thank you very much.

All right. We will move on to item number one now. Consideration of resolution 2026-05 approving an interlocal agreement with West Haven City regarding a rate reduction option for qualified West Haven residents to use the Riverdale Senior Center. Rich, thank you, Mayor. Um, as you guys approved a membership fee at the Riverdale Senior Center, we began approaching cities who have um, citizens that patronize the senior center. And the list is long. And before you tonight is an interlocal agreement um, between us and West Haven that would um, effectively give West Haven residents the Riverdale resident rate at the senior center. So, we have, as you guys well know, with those fees, you have a resident and a non-resident rate. And um currently Riverdale residents pay the resident rate and everybody else pays non-resident rate. And with this agreement, this would provide access to the West Haven residents for that resident rate. Um there's two parts financially. Um the first part is is through um the end of the budget year. um they would do a partial payment and then they would have a full payment u for FY27. Um if you saw that in the agreement it any questions you can answer?

Any comments, council Arnold? No, I think it's great. I'm I appreciate you doing this stuff, trying to build it. if the if the county, you know, isn't going to jump in and help us, then we can do it with the county, people of the county. So, I I think it's a great solution and great idea. I had a comment real quick. Um, first of all, I think it's an awesome idea. Like the the senior center is busier than it's ever been, right? Yeah. We're we're up 50% 50% in the year 2026. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, and exciting things. I'm getting feedback from all over the county about it. I have an appointment scheduled with a council member from Roy. Uh I'm taking her to lunch there on Friday and we're going to tour the entire facility. She's brand new and has heard great things about our senior facility and uh anyway, she's really excited to see it and uh I think she'd be really on board with with possibly, you know, we we hope to bring uh additional interlocal agreements to you in the next coming weeks. We we're actively talking with other cities

also. Um we have new candidates for the Weber County Commission and uh they've been actively reaching out to me and meeting with me um trying to garner support and one of the things I hit them up on the most is the senior center and I just say we're going to need your help because we haven't had your help and support and uh and I'm you know they they're all of course they're politicians but they're all yeah we're we're 100% behind you. We you know and and a lot of them know of the reputation of our senior center though it's out there. um that our senior center is amazing. So, it's already out there. And so, anyway, I just think you guys just knocked it out of the park with this whole thing and it's just gonna grow, I think. So, yeah. Anyway, councelor Anderson, could I just ask since we've initiated the the fee?

Um what's the general response been with that? Has it been you say that we're up 50%. So share with me what that looks like uh what you've measured that against from before uh to come up with that.

Yeah. So when I use the 50% figure I'm talking um January 2026 compared to January of 2025 and the numbers in 2026 of January were 50% higher than the numbers in 2025 and the same held true for February of 2026 as well. Um, so I mean it's we had the fee in place for two months. Um, and when we're talking numbers, um, it's attendance at the senior center across the board. Um, and and that applies to lunch attendance as well. Um, we've had a lot of questions from people because it's a new thing. Um, people aren't super excited about paying a fee. It helps that we had a discount going on for that first month of the fee. Um but when we take the time to explain to them what the feed does um they overwhelming I mean I think I had one person in January who turned around and walked away um and didn't pay the fee and I I don't know what ever happened if they came later if they just didn't come but that was it. We have 504 active memberships paid for memberships. Um, and when the memberships were free, uh, we tracked the data for two years. And in that 2year period of time, we had eight about 800 a little less than 800 different individuals patronized the senior center. And so for two months of the fees, we've captured 504 of them. Um again the value is there and people see the value the sense of community the services that we've are providing and when we help them to see that this ensures that we can continue to provide those high level of services most people happily pay it. We've had a couple people actually uh donate additional

money because they see that value so much. So I mean it's it's mixed. I'm not going to say it's 100% positive, but a lot of it is education. Just kind of educating people and helping them understand. I've heard from one person that didn't like it. Okay. Um out of 500, that's pretty good.

And and this partnership with the cities is huge as well. Um and and getting this deal um in place before this agreement before you tonight. I I spoke with the West Haven mayor several times and they have a group out in West Haven. I don't know. I think they meet monthly maybe um where the mayor is involved and they get the senior citizens to to come together just West Haven only type of thing. And some of the citizens in West Haven said, "Hey, why are we paying money to Roy? Let's do Riverdale instead because we go there instead." And everybody was like, "Yeah, we agree." And he said, "I had a group of 20 before me and they all said the same thing, so I called you. Where what what can we do here?" So, and that's really positive as well is, you know, the these citizens can advocate to their own community to provide themselves access to our facility and it makes a lot of sense rather than them trying to manage a whole facility to have access to ours. So,

and and he is reducing his payment to Roy. Okay. From what I heard, I heard they're reducing it. And oh, and the Hoop the Hooper Hooper mayor um came for lunch this last week, too, I think. Yeah. Uh a couple Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. A couple and and from what I understand, I don't want to speak out of turn, but they have tabled a motion with their council and so they're discussing it. They're working through it, but there's definitely movement there. Who? Huber. Yep. Mayor Bingham, we're working with several different cities. Like I said, I anticipate bringing more of these agreements to you. Can I ask a quick question? Can we have agreements with cities outside the county? Yes. Yes. Okay. We're talking to cities outside the county as well.

Yeah, we've approached cities outside the county as well. Cool. I was just gonna say thank you, Mr. Taylor. This this this agreement you're bringing today is is really the the benefit of of this whole plan that you've you've done. And so I'm grateful. I just want to express my appreciation and the time you you spent doing it. So, thank you. Yeah. And and I I can't take all the credit. I mean, there's a whole staff of of people and, you know, uh Mr. Brooks uh had to hammer out all the fine print with the attorneys in West Haven and all that stuff. So, but it's exciting. Councelor Anderson,

do we have an agreement, for example, with Roy City because we use their aquatic center. Do we have a similar agreement with them? I mean, where maybe those two could offset. So with Roy City and and what we do with the aquatic center and also the complex um we do have agreements but they're not formalized in this interlocal fashion. Um it's more we pay per we pay the going rate at the aquatic center. We don't get any kind of discount there. And then at the complex they get their fee part from us, part from our patrons. Um, so we don't have any kind of agreement where we we don't deliver them a lump sum. It's it's kind of a per person type of transaction. So we have a working agreement, but nothing's written down. And

and Roy City is capturing um 100% of their fees. They're just willing to work with us in allowing us to provide some of it and the patrons to provide some of it at the complex. on the aquatic center. Is there uh is there the way we rent it? Is there a non-resident rate and a resident rate for those rentals? Yes, there is. And we pay the non-resident. We pay the non-resident rate. Really? That's super interesting. Although we I' I thought about this. We have um employees from the city that work in Roy. Yeah. And could get us access to the resident rate, but I haven't really ever pushed that or touched that because it is a Riverdale city. Sure. thing. Anyway, but yeah. Interesting. So they So they really are getting the full fee. Like it it'd be like West Haven paying us the full non-resident fee for sure.

Yeah. Councelor Stevens,

I just I'm okay. I am a in a new stage in life where I um turned 65 and was forced by a tyrannical government to take Medicare. And but I I've gone over there when you were closed for remodel or whatever. I mean for maintenance. I was not stunned to see, you know, a handful of people that I knew who were Riverdale residents who were at the aquatic center. And I says, I says, "Do you have a past?" I said, "Oh, yeah, we come here all the time, blah, blah, blah." I said, "Do you not you know, they like to exercise in this in the pool, which doesn't of course isn't available here." I said, "Well, do you get that? Do you use take advantage?" They said, "No, it's because we through our plan through Medicare, whatever. It just covers it for a minimal fee." And so I was, you know, this was all new to me, but um I was I was kind of stunned that the and again I only saw oh less than less than a dozen people who are Riverdale residents who I knew and were had passes there and and because of the Medicare uh plans and

there's different insuranceances that provide um benefits in that fashion um where the insurance actually pays the fee to the facility, right? That's it. Um where the person signs up through their insurance and then so the facility still collects a fee, but it's through insurance. So in that case, those Riverdale residents, um to them, it's no cost to go to the Roy complex through that program, whereas if they come to us, they have that 50% cost. And so it's it's actually a savings to them. Do we honor do we take insure like to the community center not to the do we take the the insurance that if so if people want to come

so there's four or five different programs like that out there um we are enrolled with Renew Active which goes to uh United Healthcare I believe okay uh not medic not Medicare United um so for those individuals that have that insurance that choose that benefit and there's stipulations that way as well they They a lot of them have to have a preferred facility. They they aren't able to go to everywhere. They have to declare where they're going and you know, but yes, I mean we we have part of that. Um we take we are able to receive those funds from Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. Council Arnold,

just a question on the the meals. So if we get people coming and it's great and it works out, they find out we have better meals and all that kind of stuff. Do we have, you know, the law of diminishing returns or anything like that where we're going to break even on our meals or if we we start having lots of people show up for the meals, are we just going to drive ourselves into a hole? So, um there's kind of a sweet spot with purchasing power, right? Um and the different items. It's all different that way. We're obviously subsidizing labor no matter what we're doing, right? But as far as food costs go, um, with our lower numbers, I can't really speak to the last two months because it's so recent, but with our lower numbers, we were roughly, I mean, Cody might have that number on the top of his head, but we're roughly breaking even as a far as far as the donations that we collect for lunch and the expenditure for food. Um, like food, not staff and all that other stuff, right? Um, I would anticipate that, um, we probably are doing a tick better with the higher numbers just because of some of the, um, quantities and and things like that. And you can get better pricing with purchasing more. But I would have to watch that in the budget and maybe look at that over a longer period of time because really in the last two to three months, we've just seen an a really big uptick in the numbers. And I think it would also show if the concern that you're bringing up is is holding true as well. So, is that fair, Cody?

We're keeping an eye on that. One of the things we waiting for is to see if we get any help from the state and stuff. So, um, all those things have been in the works and we'll see how things turn out because that state funding would help us drastically towards that exact same thing. So, we'll see how that comes out. Yeah. My only concern would be is if you needed more staff, right? The that that would absolutely And at that point, it goes to what uh Councelor Arnold is bringing up. I mean, that's a that's a cost that we're not covering, right? And if we're increasing that cost, for sure. Council Arnold, I'd move to approve resolution 2026-05 as stated within the packet. We have a motion. Do we have a second? A second.

Motion and a second. Any discussion on the motion? Miss Maragon, will you please pull the council? Councelor Stevens. Yes. Councelor Hansen. Yes. Arnold. Yes. Richtor. Yes. And Anderson? Yes. All right. That passes unanimously. Very good. Thank you. First one's in the bag. That's good. Okay. Number two, consideration resolution 2026-06 updating the Riverdale City Council rules and procedures. Mr. Brooks.

Thank you, Mayor. I don't know what more I can tell you about this. has been on the agenda four or five times, but I did include my changes in there which were quite small. I was just making adjustments where we're not doing the pre-planning meeting. We still have that option under the language I presented, but it's not necessary or required anymore. So, unless you had something different, uh just my own clarification from what we talked about previously tonight. So that is more if we had a quorum of three people and um like it was I don't know it was like two to one wouldn't wouldn't pass. Right. Right. It's got to be three right in that case. Okay. Okay. I understand that now. I remember I remember figuring that out the other night too. So yeah, that's correct. Okay.

Any questions or anything to bring up about this item? Um he did make those changes which we appreciate. I think it did clarify some stuff. So, thank you. If there are none, we would need a motion, council Richtor. I would move to approve uh resolution 2026 updating the Riverdale City Council rules and procedures. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? Mayor Gon, please pull the council. Councelor Anderson, yes. Councelor Arnold, yes. Sir Richtor, yes. Hansen, yes. Stevens, yes.

All right, that passes unanimously. Very good. We'll move on to item number five, discussion and action. Riverdale Fire Department bathroom remodel budget. Chief Hennessy, welcome.

Mayor, council, thank you for having me. Um, this is just in regards to um our bathroom remodel that we've had a little history on it. Uh, our building was opened up in 1998. The bathrooms have not been remodeled since. Um, we have had additional rooms put on that was early around 2010 111 era. We did do a a kitchen remodel 2022, but the bathrooms are original and they definitely get their use with the uh fire personnel over there. Um, these guys and gals are showering multiple times a day to try and remove the carcinogens from them. So, they get their use. It's past due. Um, we put out some bids for it. We received bids for um in our capital. We have 45,000 set aside for it. Um the lowest bid that we came in was 50,000 with a second one at 57,000 and then a third at 63,000. So I think the 50,000 will meet what we need, but I'd like to um get approval not to exceed 57,000. That would cover the bottom two bids of that in case that lower bid backed out. Then I would need to come back and ask for more.

Any questions from the council for the chief? Councelor Anderson, you identified that uh you would be pulling those funds from elsewhere within your budget and not asking for an increase overall uh from the city. Was that correct? Where would you be pulling those from? Any I can uh I can defer to Cody on that one. He's our budget guy. What do you see?

So, we have this in our capital improvement um budget in our capital facilities or capital improvement. Oh jeez, I can't even talk. our capital fund and so we have money in there. The problem is is that we only had it budgeted for 45,000. So nobody we don't have approval from you guys at the higher amount. So we have money. We just need your approval at the higher amount so that he can proceed with the project. So we have enough money within the fund. We don't need to do a budget amendment. We just need approval for for the project if you'd like to move forward. Thank you.

I have a a question. Um I don't know if this Why were the numbers not in the packet? Like I I I felt like walking in I had no idea what the bid was, you know, what the what what we had approved and what wasn't. Like anyway, um was there a reason for that or? Yeah, mainly because Cody and Matt were both gone on Friday when we were putting a pack. Okay. Together. So, we didn't have a lot. I mean, I kind of knew, but I didn't want to throw something in there that wasn't accurate. And so, I thought it was just better to wait. I'm not trying to find fault. I just that that's very helpful to me to be like what are we talking here and and what's the difference like I I didn't I felt like I was walking in here tonight

it no it was small and when and we maybe could have done it just under my spending authority but I thought just the proper thing to do is to bring it back to you guys just so you aware of it. So okay and that makes sense if they were gone. So yeah, any other questions?

Councelor Arnold. Um I I I too was concerned it wasn't in the packet with it being in the packet and but also I I mean you could have just brought it on the packet as anformational thing because it's you know max is 12 grand. So um with it being on the agenda I would um move to approve the spending increase for the Riverdale Fire Department bathroom remodel budget not to exceed 57,000. Okay. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? Yes, a second. Motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? Miss Maragon, please pull the council. Hansen, yes. Councelor Richtor, yes.

Councelor Stevens, yes. Councelor Anderson, yes. Councelor Arnold, yes. All right. Very good. Let's get those bathrooms remodeled. That's great. What are you going to do while it's, you know, for the six months while they're doing the remodel? Uhhuh. We do have a uh it'll be a little tight quarters, but we do have front lobby bathrooms as well. And we also have a female restroom that's not part of this remodel. So, there'll be five guys chairing one bathroom for a little time. So, but they'll make do. Good. Okay, good to know.

All right, we have our upcoming events. Uh the legislative session ends on Friday. That is a welcome thing to be coming up. Uh community center St. Patrick's Day party on March 13th. Uh we do have that optic clear um ribbon cutting on March 18th. Um and uh then the Utah League of Cities and Towns midyear conference. Hopefully people have been able to respond to Miss Maroni. I saw she sent an email out. Uh that's in late April. Um have we made a decision on what we're going to do with our meeting on March 17th? Do we know at this point? We would we were planning on doing it on the 18th. On the 18th. Okay. We'll just move it to the Wednesday the 18th. Okay. The only one I think we haven't heard on the conference was Kent

and then we didn't know everybody's gotten back and I know you went last year and so that's why we were a little bit cautious to make any plans on that. So yeah and I spoke with Miss Mar. Okay. So that's taken care of and I don't think Annie was planning on going. So we should be covered then. Um okay so that that meeting is taken care of and will this plan on the 18th for that. Very good. Uh we'll move on to the comments section of our agenda. Any comments from the city council for this meeting? Seeing none, any comments from the city staff? No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry.

So, we um sent out the color renderings for the playground. It's already approved, so it's not approval item. Was everybody okay with that? Is that a thumbs up on them? Is that okay? Thanks for thanks for keeping track of that item for us. Any other comments from city staff? Let me check with Sean first, but I think we're okay. Okay, I think we're good. And I I don't really have any comments either. And so, uh, we would just need a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Motion. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor say yes. Yes. All right. No. Oh, we have a no. Well, you're out voted. My stand bunch in the shop. That's multiple times today. You been out twice.

All right. We're going to take a small recess before we move into our next meeting. Is that okay? Oh, is that part?

So, okay. Uh, so I'd like to welcome everybody to our Riverdale City Council budget planning meeting for Tuesday, March 3rd, 2026. Let the record show all members of the city council present as well as members of the city staff. Um, and I will just turn the time over right now to Mr. Brooks. I don't have a whole lot to say. I mean, this this year's budget's going to be a little bit tricky, especially depend on which directions we go. And that's one of the reasons why we wanted to bring the um fire district in because um their budget is actually from it's a a yearly budget rather than ours where we go midyear. And so, a lot of this could get really tricky. We may have to even end up doing two budgets at some point in time depending on how this moves. But, um Cody and I have been talking quite a bit on this. I think we're in pretty good shape and we'll just turn the time over to him, let him do his magic on this stuff. So,

okay. So, um for the agenda, the first thing we have is kind of a review of where we're at. And as always, if you have any questions, like go ahead and interrupt me. Um I'll just keep the ball rolling if not. So, as of January 31st, 59% of the year has passed. Here's our budget for the general fund for our different revenue sources. Here's the year-to-day actuals. You can see um and I'll talk more about these in just a minute, but you can see we're up on our licenses and permits quite a bit. We're at 49.7% overall on our expenditures. We're at 38.04%. A lot of that is we have a lot of money budgeted for capital projects in streets and we haven't done very much of that. And then we also have our transfer to the capital projects fund that we haven't transferred any money because we usually wait till the end of the year to see. So that's why our um expenditures are down. We're actually down compared to last year. We haven't spent quite as much money to this point as last year. So, our net income at this point is 2.2 million. Um, our class C road net impact on the budget, so the revenues less the expenditures that we've spent year-to- date is about 96,000. The local option highway and transportation, the net impact is about 335,000. So, that's all restricted money. So, if we pull that out, we're about 1.8. Our city option sales tax that we've collected year to date, it's about 1.2. So that leaves us with about 608,000 um to the positive part of that. We'll talk more about that here in just a second.

Real quick, the city option sales tax is that what goes away in 2030. Thank you. Yep.

Um so we'll talk about those increases here in just a second. So here's a comparison of us to last year at the same time. So, you can see part of that increase. Last year, we are almost exactly flat. By the time we took out the city um the city option sales tax, we are basically flat. Part of that is we've had um we finally started to see an increase in our sales tax. We've talked about that the last little while. Um our business our licenses and permits are up. That's both due to if you remember, we had an increase in our business license fee last year and then just building mix. Our intergovernmental revenues are down a little bit. It looked like almost entirely that is due to our state liquor fund aotment not coming in yet and we got an email about that last week and the state changed what department collects that and they haven't remitted it yet to this um state tax commission and so they haven't remitted it out yet. So we should be getting that soon. Our charges for

that's just a delay not a decrease.

Correct. So we should be getting it. It's just usually already in and it's just not in yet. charges for services is up 80,000. Um in looking at that, last year we were down about 95,000. Our ambulance, we had a big drop. Um and this year our ambulance is up compared to the prior year. And then it's also a bunch of our senior staff. Um when I was looking at it, we do have an increase in our volume of lunches. Um and then also those new annual membership fees. Our fines and forfeitures are down about 56,000. That's just less ticket volume. And then our miscellaneous revenue is down about 36,000. That's our PTIF interest rates almost entirely. It's dropped almost a full percent from last year at this time. Um and that's just indicative of the market, right? Um our expenditures, we get some variability yeartoear. So the main one there is our streets. Um we're down about 401,000 or 402. That's because projects. Last year we had a bunch completed in the fall. this year. We have some that are completed, but um not as high a volume. And I think Sean's got some stuff that's going to spill over to spring. Um our sales tax, I just got the February distribution. So if you So this is brand brand new. In last month's packet, you had January's. So this is February's. So if you remember, um we want to highlight or pay attention to these things right here. So, if you remember, we had an awesome November cuz it takes we're in two months in a rears on the collections. Um, our December was actually really similar to last year's December. So, we're but we're over overall for the year we're up about 492,000. So, we're doing really well. And if you remember for a long time our COVID years, we'd never surpassed that. And now we've got to the point that we've peaked again and we're we're going up from from kind of the should we say like

one-time anomalies in the market due to co and so all that's really good. That's indicative that our businesses are doing well and that things are improving and and doing well. Um we don't have huge increases but we're we're seeing a consistent increase there for the year. Did you say something specific about November that it was that much higher? You know, like usually November is just the start of the Christmas season. I have no idea. You know, we had some new businesses come online like that's when Trader Joe's opened that all Trader Joe's.

We actually like they did really well. Um but no, like and so like I don't know and it seems like it depends every year like who has sales when and who like buys new cars and and all that. So, it's it's hard to know, but you can see historically like some years our November has beat our December. And it was just one of those years that they performed well and they actually both performed well, which is wonderful for us and given the constraints on the on the roads, Riverdale Road. I I'm I'm pleased to see that cuz I was very worried.

Yeah. The bad thing is is like what would have it have been like if 4,400 would have been open like where would have we landed cuz I think we all know there was an impact there. It's just there's no way to quantify it. So so things look well look good there um for enterprise funds. So here's our January year-to- date actual. Here's our January 2025 actual. So you can see we're down a little bit in water. It looked like we just had a little less revenue. We did have a rate increase. Um, one of the items on that development you approved earlier was like their fee and loo their water purchase. So, we had a whole bunch of those last year and so why this other revenue is down is we didn't have very many of those this year. So, we're down like 426,000 because of that. Same thing with the expenditures. We have to turn around and buy that water a lot of times from Weaver Basin. And so, that's why our expenses are down as well. Um, in the sewer fund, we had a rate increase and so we're up a little bit in our revenues. And then um we have le less capital purchases from 2020 of January of 2026 versus January 2025, but fairly consistent. In the storm water fund, we did have a rate increase too if you remember. So we're up a little bit. Um our capital projects, we had a big capital project that Sean did this fall. And so that's why we're up to 341,000 compared to the prior years. The garbage fund, we did have a little rate increase. And then if you remember, our collector or our hauler also had a rate increase and so we're up a little bit there. So that's where we're at right now. So overall, most things look fairly positive. It's not like we have crazy increases, but things are holding steady and are doing okay with the exception of probably like our interest. Like we have been collecting quite a bit of that and now it's starting to kind of tell off a little bit with the changes in the market. Um, so if you don't have any questions, um, I'll kind of move forward

on to what we have proposed for the current year. Um, so I believe this was in the packet. So here's 2026. This is the current year. Obviously 2027 is what we're talking about. Um, so we always have in there some software licensing and and various updates. I know we're going to have some of those with it. So I have $40,000 in there as a placeholder. I know our VMware expires next year, I believe. And so, but we're not quite sure everything we're going to have there. So, we'll have something there in the budget. We had some money in the current year to replace the leaky roof here. Um, knock on wood, like we haven't seen any leaks and so we were able to fix the things upstairs. So, that's going good. Our office 11 conversion, we're almost I think my computer is the last one to do. We have everything else converted to to office 11. So, we're done with that project. And then unknown repairs. We just where this building's about 40 years old, we just try to budget a little about 20 grand each year just for unexpected things. One of the things we had come up this year is we had to replace our whole fire panel here about a month ago um to the tune of about5 or $6,000. And so we just like a little bit of money just where this building's old. You know, we had the windows blowing earlier in the year and things. So we' just ask for that again. Um so that's the business administration and kind of the building as a whole. Um, I put this in legal because it's kind of down here. Um, Steve would like to consider doing the same thing we did out in the lobbies in this room. Um, both painting and staining the wood, just trying to refresh it a little bit. So, we got the bid back on that and it's going to be about 20,000. We put 25 in the budget. We just wondered if that was something you guys wanted to to move forward with or if not, that's great, too. We just What do you think, council?

I'm a no. We have one. No. And you can always change your mind later. We just kind of need to know so that I can What we're going to do is anything you kind of give us the consensus like, yeah, that's okay. Then we'll just put it in the budget and then you can always say no later. It's just up to you. But if it's a hard no, that's great, too. We just won't worry about putting it in there. So, whatever you guys would like. It wouldn't be a priority for me. Not necessarily a heart no, but but not a priority.

Okay. Is that kind of how everybody is? Okay. Well, maybe we'll just move forward with it in there and then we'll see where we end up and you guys can do whatever you'd like there. Okay. Sounds good. Um, business de or sorry, building development. We got the building inspector a new car. If you remember, we've been rotating that with the like admin unmarked fleet with the police. So, that's all taken care of and we don't have any requests for the next year. Um, nothing for community development. There's some software things that Brandon would like to explore, but we'll take care of that with the rest of the budget. Community services in the current year. Anything in green is like still in process. So, if you remember, same thing with the community center. It's just getting older, so we've been putting a little bit of money in there to replace the the furnaces. Um, I from looking at the budget, it doesn't look like we've spent much money on that this year. So hopefully we don't, but we'll just roll that money over to the next year. Parking lot improvements. Um we actually haven't paid for that yet, but they've got that largely done it sounds like. Um and that was just some crack sealing and those kind of things. Um other projects that in the current year um we replace or Rich has some money in his budget to replace some of the equipment. He likes to do that on a rotation. So we have $20,000 in there this year. Um, I don't believe that's been spent, but we'd also like some in the new year. His coffee machine, we had 15,000 in there for the current year. He's working on that. That might be one item that rolls over to the next year. And then he wanted a floor scrubber that has been purchased for next year. We got the furnaces that we already talked about. If you remember, I believe we talked about this last year. He would like to do some infield reconstruction at Golden Spike in Riverdale Park. If you remember, this is the transition from like the infield to the grass. it ends up getting humped and they have to go in and like redo that whole transition area of the field. Um, in him reaching out and getting some numbers, he would like $50,000 to do that for next year. So, we'd like to put that in the budget so that we can fix

those baseball facilities. Three fields. Three fields. Um, it's focused to spike. Okay.

Gotcha. Okay. and then just continuing with that exercise replacement project. So that's what we got at the community center if you guys are good with that or the community services if you're okay with that with fire in the current year. We replaced the chief's truck and the inspector's um the fire inspector's vehicle that's all done. Um the fire station improvements, the bathroom remodel, we just talked about that earlier. So that will be transpiring here coming up. parking lot improvements. I believe that's the same as the community center that just recently got wrapped up or is being finished. Um they also wanted some laptops in their engine. We're able to repurpose some of the um police laptops, so we haven't spent any money there and Angel's working with Matt and the other fire captains to get that going forward. And then what we did, we talked to the mayor about next year in the fire department and we just wanted to put everything on hold. why we're talking about with the fire district and things, we didn't feel like it made a lot of sense to order, um, new equipment where we don't know our future. And so, um, for the current year, we won't put any large capital items in there and we'll just kind of push pause. So, that's the fire. Um, parks and trails for the current year. Um, I believe this is the parking lot resurface in the current year for Golden or for Riverdale Park, right, Sean? And then he would like some money for next year to do Golden Spike Park. Just trying to take care of that parking lot so it doesn't deteriorate. Same thing. Um we if you remember Michelle worked on that outdoor classroom in Flagpole. That project's in process. It's not quite done yet. And then the playground at Golden Spike Park. I believe I just heard Sean talk to you about the colors on that. So they're working on getting that ordered and finished for next year. Um, in addition to the parking lot, there's also one lawn mower, a Grasshopper 725DT that we need to replace to the tune of 20 or

$35,000. So, that's what we' put in for parks and trails. Um, police in the current year, we replace those unmarked admin vehicles. We had a budget of 300,000. That's done. The new laptops, those are all done for 80,000. And then they've started the firearms and red dots. That's why I have it orange. like that's started but not done yet. So they'll keep working on that in the current or in the future year. They'd like to order a new copy machine. Their tasers, if you remember, they're covered on only under a warranty for so long and then they like to replace them. They back us up and we get our guarantee and things with them. So that would be 130,000. And then there's some new requirements from the state on biometric devices that we have to have implemented by January of next year. And so Casey needs $20,000 to provide that additional funding. So we're asking for 165,000 in the police to take care of those projects.

I think I saw two different things. Is it five or six vehicles on the unmarked police? I think it's five, isn't it? Plus the code enforcement that we lumped into it. Oh, maybe. So that's separate. So there was actually six. Okay, that's three detectives, the two administrators, and code. And that's probably an old note because before it was in a separate department. A lot of that motor money comes back in the fund as well as the firearms. We'll sell those back and a lot of that cost will be offset with when we sell those firearms. Thank you. Did that bill pass that's going to make it so you can't pull people over in your unmarked car? No, I don't think so. Okay.

Okay. I I can't hear very well. We're not on mics. Um Oh, yeah. I apologize. Sorry. And so, and I know this is used, Steve, if you could just set your mic up or your your thing up there when when Casey's talking. I I just I can't hear. We'll see if we can get Do you need me to repeat what I said or? Yeah, if you don't mind. I I I heard the code enforcement.

Yeah. So, there were six vehicles, five police, one code enforcement, and then I added that a lot of that money is going to come back into the motorpool. We did pretty good, generally speaking, on the on those vehicles. And then uh the firearms will be selling those firearms and a lot of that money will be coming back into the general fund to offset the cost that's there. And I don't even want to talk about tasers how much they cost. Hey, but they're non-lethal, so we want to keep them. Are those ever Can those ever be recycled, repurposed, or

um the tasers will they're going to give us a discount for selling ours back. Um we've we're three models behind on the taser and so we're finally repurposing to the latest model and it has a lot of benefits to it but we've really tried to utilize these as long as we possibly could and a matter of fact they don't even make the model that we have anymore. So I mean what do you have like 22 guys? Uh yeah, 20 21 21 and we're we're I don't carry one. So we're only going to probably do 19. The cost will be we've it's a little higher just to ensure that the money's going to be there. Yeah. But it it won't

compare Yeah. compared to the guns like like it's you think the guns would be way more like $6,000 a person. Yeah. That's crazy. Bullets. Yeah. They that includes all of our all of our training cartridges because we have to discharge so many cartridges per year. So they'll cover us and show that we're adequately trained and the price they charge on that is a lot but that covers us for the 5 years and that comes into like some liability support, right? Yes. Yes. If we don't take certain steps then when it comes comes time to go to court then we lose their support. So Yeah.

Any other questions on police? Okay. Um, now we're talking about Sean's stuff, sewer. Um, so if you remember, he always just budgets some money and then he uses his engineers to look at and his dirty videos to decide what's the worst and then he'll work on those projects or sometimes in conjunction with water or storm water. And so, um, we'll budget some money for his sewer projects depending on what he decides is most pressing. Storm water, same thing like we just talked about. We, he's done those projects. We'll budget some more money. We kind of put this in here as a placeholder and then we adjust it. Same as the sewer and water once he knows what projects he has coming in streets. Um, with that, uh, UD do project on 1050 West with the roundabout. If you remember, they're not going to provide any landscaping. And so Sean, I believe, had talked to you guys and wanted to put $100,000 in there so we don't have just an ugly naked um roundabout sitting in the middle of 1050. And so we have that $100,000 in there. We also have some money in the current year for class C and local option projects and we would ask for some money in the future year. Same thing. If you remember some of this local option money, that's what we're using for if we have to match any, but we've been able to get enough grants that hopefully that will be pretty minimal with the 1050 list. So that's streets. Um water, same thing. We do have one vehicle that um the rotation is up on for $60,000. And so we have $560,000 in the water fund that we'd like to replace. And then so that's all the enterprise funds. Um as far as the senior housing fund goes, if you remember, we added this a few years ago. Um in the current year, they are working on the roof replacement. I believe that Sean and Norm, they have like bids on that and they're working on getting that started. However, they haven't started that quite yet. They're trying to work out the timing and stuff. And then we also have in there to replace some of the rooftop

units. If you remember, isn't there something like 25 or 30 rooftop units and so we're going to start replacing some of those. So, if you remember, we had one go out a year or two ago. And so, they've also been working on that. I believe they want to get the roof done and then they'll work on replacing some of those. We'd want we'd like to continue that in the next year so we can just continue replacing those along those sign lines. If you remember, we have the 20 apartments there and we knock on wood, we've had really good luck with the in they each have individual HVAC systems. We haven't replaced any of those yet. Um I believe we have one vacancy right now. Um, and Sean and Norm are working on getting one of those replaced just to see how much it costs, how bad it is, but we'd like to put some money in the budget next year to replace the rest of those. At this point, we're not sure if they would like to replace those all in one go or if they'd like to try and do it over a couple years, but they'd like to get one done and then go from there. But we just wanted to present that in case we put that fully in the budget. So, we have that and Yep.

So, one of the things we've talked about for years is whether or not this is a viable option for the city to keep this going because if you have and it's rich or better with the rents and all that kind of stuff, but just say round round numbers $1,000 a month per unit. you have 20 units, that's $20,000 a month times 12 240 and we're we're spending 650 is in this year and then, you know, another five change the next year. If we were, you know, in this business as a business, it's a bad business. And so at what point do we go, "No, we're, you know, we want to spend that money on the residents and the the seniors and all that kind of stuff in instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve this facility that doesn't even come close to covering its cost." So, I mean, when do we talk about that? I mean, because we've talked about it for years and years about it was just a bad idea. And we increased the rents to try and cover that, but you you couldn't cover the rents enough to do all this. So, I think some of it you told us before, I think, is to try and make it work. And so, that's just what we're trying to do. So, if you guys feel like it's time to have that discussion again, then we're more than welcome to. We're just, as you can see, Rich is trying hard to make it work. If you remember, a lot of that money is RDA money and so some of it is restricted and so we can't just transfer it to the general fund and use it for senior services. Like if we were to sell this the facility, that would largely go with the facility, too. Not that we'd have to give it back, but it would go to a different RDA area. Um, but I think we're

some of those expenses, let's get a mic.

Some of these expenses that we're coming do right now is due to the age of the building. In other words, when you're talking about the financials and the mathematics and the rents and all that, you really have to look at it over 20 to 30 years versus a year just because these these costs are infrequent. It's just due to the age, they're all coming due right now. Um, so that's part of it too. But but once again, I mean your point, it's a good point and there's a lot of other factors to it I guess is the numbers look big right now, but when we get things in good shape, how many years before we do it again? It's going to be years and years and years. So, and and we're still working on the rents as well. Um, we came to you guys, I believe, who was it that did the study, Cody?

It was Lewis Young Roberts Birmingham. Lewis LRB. Okay. So, they did a study trying to answer this question, right? Is how what do the rents have to be to to make it so it can support itself? And um they came up with some numbers and we came up with a plan based on those numbers. Um we're doing rent increases of no more than 10% until we hit the thresholds. I think we're in year three of five on that, Cody. I think that's right. Um, so I mean we're making headway, but once again, you guys as a council have to answer those questions.

Yeah. And we do have like $1.9 million sitting there. But you're right, like at the rate we're going, that's going to go pretty fast. Like we have what, sitting there, we have like $1.2 million worth of expenditure sitting there over the next three years. But to Rich's point, that will catch us up a lot, too. So, it's it's really the balls in your court, I feel like, and hopefully you guys all echo that. We've feel like our marching orders are to to keep it maintained and to do the best we can. And so, that's what we've been doing.

Finding a way to stagger the costs like on replacements. If we don't have to replace every single unit in the first year and we can plan for the future where we're not taking such a big hit every time that has to happen, you know, then I think that fiscally that'll be a little bit more responsible if we can do a few across time rather than having a big $200,000 hit at once. And we've talked about that a lot. There's pluses and minuses because we can probably get better pricing if we can do it all. And then what do we do if it's the middle of the winter and it takes three weeks to order a new furnace when we have a good maintenance schedule. I mean, that's what I mean. Once you kind of get it going and keep up with it that way. Yeah. So, we could Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Do we have a maintenance program with them? I know my former employer, our HVAC units have been in place for over 20 years and have never been replaced, but they come out every year, two to three times a year to do maintenance on those and change filters. Are we participating in any program like that to help lengthen the uh the lifetime? We typically do them three to four times a year.

Pardon me? three to four times a year on the filters and the general maintenance. Problem you have is they're all put in at once, right? And so then they're kind of all at that same time and we've been pretty lucky. Our worry is is what happens when we have a resident over there and we can't get these are weird units like they're not just a homeowner's unit because they're put in a closet and so it's not like we can just go grab one off the shelf type deal. How long can we have a resident without heat that's 75 years old? You know, how long do we gamble on that? The rooftop units, depending on the unit, we've usually waited between 6 and 9 months to be able to get one in stock, you know, and that's getting better now that CO's farther away. You know, they've came back in stock a little bit and we are staggering the rooftop units. Like we've did a couple, we're doing a couple we've did probably three or four now and then staggered them out over the next few years. So they are staggered and I don't think it's a maintenance issue as far as it's getting more age on it. You know like I think once you get past 20 23 to 25 years you've kind of hit the expectancy of life on them type of units.

And if you remember we opened in '05 so we're sitting at like 21 years. So we're just trying to catch up. Um, and I'll be the first to admit that I don't know I haven't explored the whole senior center, but at one point I'd heard that we've got an events room on the second floor. Maybe some kind misunderstand that misunderstood that. But as far as holding weddings and receptions and things like that, are we pursuing that to to help offset some of these costs? Are we talking about the housing or we talking about this? The whole building because the building's owned by the RDA.

Hey, there. Okay. The building is one thing. The building's one thing. We operate two programs there, but the building's one thing. Yes. When you're talking about the 20 units in the closets, that's housing. Now he's talking about anyway shifting. that's owned by the RDA, too. Like the full facility is RDA. It's 100% owned by the RDA.

Like, so the building itself is RDA. It's my understanding we used to do that, but they felt like it created as much wear and tear and work having those that it wasn't worth the small amount of revenue that we brought in cuz they basically had to tear down the whole um like kitchen area or not kitchen, dining room area for one of those and then put it all back up. And so it was just a lot of work on weekends and then we don't have anybody over there on weekends either. So it was just a lot of wear and tear on the building and created issues with the residents, people being loud and noisy. Um and so the city discontinued those or the RDA long a long time ago. They didn't feel like it proportionately replaced what it was originally thought to do. So

we might need to look at that again, though. So I'm I'm on favor of looking at it again. I I just wonder if we can run a better program for the seniors if we're not supplementing housing that isn't really senior generated, you know? I mean, it's just a housing. It's just rentals. And so, if we were to I don't even know. I mean, if we did a mixeduse something in there and put a opthalmologist in the bottom floor or a dentist or somebody that specializes in seniors or rheumatologist, oh my gosh, pharmacist, you know, open a neighborhood pharmacy. But just something to I just I just think this

a daycare. It just it doesn't work. Um even long term for that the daycare. I'll run it. your grandkids. You're tired of your grandity. I got it. I'll do it. Okay, we're off track. So, I think we can have that discussion again um whenever you guys are ready. We're just

I think if we did a a numbers and really did it and put it together and say, you know, this is what it's been for the last five or 10 years and this is what we project in the next five or 10 years and and to actually put a program together to where maybe we're not filling the units when they're empty. Then we can work on that.

That a good look or a bad look, Richard? No, I mean I I think we have that study and maybe we just revisit that and and and kind of show what's changed. Like you said, it's been at least 3 years. Um, one of the things too though is the philosophy has really changed. um we had all that RDA money and I don't know that these discussions were being had in this context and so we have that big fund balance and we have a ton of capital projects that are coming due. Um really what it comes down to in my mind is is it feasible to generate enough income to pay back that fund balance so that when those projects come due we have money there because we don't have that revenue source moving forward. Um, and and and then again, the whole question, and I don't know how to answer it. Uh, Steve and I have talked about this all the time. We're doing rentals.

I wonder if it's even legal for us today because originally we were doing it with the senior in mind, but it it never materialized that way. So,

is it is it legal for us just to have this rental project from the city? Well, I I don't know that it's illegal, but it's very unusual is probably the best word for it. It's not something the city would normally do. I mean, we're we're competing against private businesses for that. There's landlords out there that would love to have that facility, especially if they could do it at the prices that we charge, and that's almost a little bit unfair that we even do it. So, I mean, there's problems with it. I've never felt comfortable with that a city doing that to be honest with you. I mean, the intent was is those rents would help pay for that building, but it just it just hasn't it just hasn't panned out, and I don't know that it ever will.

But that was really a failure of us and the staff. It wasn't a failure of the plan. It's because we didn't keep up with increasing the rents. And we've had this conversation a few times. So, it just gets a little frustrating because nothing's changed. We've already addressed all this. And from what I remember when we've looked at the numbers, we have not supplemented to make it work from other funds. It's been taken care of itself. Yeah. Well, largely because of the RDA, right, to begin with. But at some point, I guess the question is like it could run out if we don't get into a better routine and keep up with Right. And I think from what I've looked at it, there's not enough units there, honestly. Like it should have been twice as many rentals to really make it work

long term. Long term and or more and like there's nothing we can really do about that now. I mean we can have like Fred come back in and update his study from a couple years ago and look at the numbers. So you have an outside source and have him do a projection now that we've done some of these things. We're staying up on maintenance like what he sees and we can work on it internally too. Um, it's up to you guys what you'd like, but at this point, we're covering the costs. And is it imminent that we're not going to be covering the cost? Is that in your forecast in the near future?

So, it's just how fast we run out of money, right? So, we've got 1.9 sitting there. And so far, we've been adding to it each year with the rents because they're improving and we're doing well. It just depends on how fast we have to replace stuff in the building. And so some of that stuff like with the floor, is that a necessity? Is that something you guys want to do? I think if you ask Rich, he'd probably say, "Yeah, like the floor is bad. We need to replace it. It's getting where it's like a trip hazard." Um, but I think that's what you need to to look at and like we can stretch it, we can defer maintenance, we can, you know, try and make it last as long, but the last information we got from you guys is we want a well-maintained facility and we want to just keep it rolling as much as we can. And so that's what we've been doing. Um, and so far like it's been working. So, it's up to you guys what you'd like us to do. We're this in talking to Sean and Rich like this is what they feel like we need to do for the next couple years to keep it maintained and to avoid some big issues with the rooftop. Remember we had that one go out and like we ended up locking out really well cuz it kind of hit like Rich probably doesn't agree but like it could have been worse like it wasn't in the winter, right? All I would all I would say to that comment is um I would have invited Cody to come work over there in those conditions. We made it through.

Yeah. And it always can be worse, but it was a nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. So, at some point we got if we're going to keep the building, we got to keep spending money on it, especially where all those units are sold and it takes so long to get them. Well, and at one point we had talked about the weighing of this building versus that building and where's when do we cut it off and say one building's not worth the maintenance. It's time to merge maybe the two together. And we've talked to like Adam about that and we in from what I remember we really can't do that with that building because it's RDA owned unless the city rents it from the RDA. Yeah. And and can do it but like the cost of remodeling and a lot of that would be 1.9 million.

Yeah, it could be more. And like we couldn't use that 1.9 I guess, you know, like if we paid a market rent for it. So, we can do whatever you want. We've just been trying to like follow our marching orders and maintain it and move forward. So, I had one question for Sean. Um, would it be possible to buy a a furnace and just keep it somewhere in the city? Like so we've discussed that before, but the problem with that is is like they're warrantied, right? Oh yeah. So we got a unit that we paid a premium for that we're losing the best part of the warranty while it's sitting there. And every one of them's kind of a different scenario. Like the 20 units in there, they're the same, right?

So that's kind of it. But usually when you purchase it comes with the install, you wouldn't have the free on. You wouldn't have the line charge. You know, you'd still have to have somebody come back out. So it would it would cost you more. Plus, you'd lose a warranty on it to do that because we have considered that. Okay.

And we've talked about like replacing them as they go out. We've talked about replacing them in like chunks. Like do we do five a year? And you know, like some of that's great maintenance-wise. Like some of it if we get a bad run of 20, then that really sucks. But if we have 20 different furnaces over there, then from like a m yearly maintenance standpoint, that's a headache. So like Sean's trying to look at it and see what's best where we haven't done one yet. We just kind of don't know. So we're just trying to

I just brought it up because if you're looking at 1.9 million in the bank to fund this thing and you look at 1.1 million in the next or this year and next year with supplemental rents of less than a half a million, it just it doesn't pencil out very long. Well, and if you're looking at replacing a city hall building for 20 million, then, you know, I think we need to start looking at it. But it is hard to keep shoveling money into a building that, you know, has no long-term value and you don't have any intent to keep at a certain point, but there has to be a point where, you know, you hit that sweet spot of, okay, it's time to make the decision and make a call on it so that we aren't just dumping money into a building we're not going to keep using long term. Either way,

we agree 100%. I mean, that's kind of why we came to you a few years ago, because we could see the writing on the wall. At some point in time, we're going to run out. How long do we milk it out? You know, it's it's a tough call. I mean, we even talked about maybe building on to Rich's building and doing a separate section that would be a new senior center and then just selling this one or completely getting out. I mean, we've been throwing every idea around that we can just trying to keep the program going, but still maybe in a different fashion or something, but we lose a lot with that building. I mean, that that is a good facility as we talked about that earlier tonight, but um and they've got great programs. They got great everything, but how long does Riverdale residents how long do they shoulder that? Well, as we talked about this and sell it, we've really got to push the senior citizens program is improving while we're dealing with the housing part because the seniors hear the senior center and they get all riled up over

Yeah. It's not what we're talking about, right? Well, I mean, on one hand, earlier tonight, we're talking about improving the senior programs, and then on this side, we're talking about, you know, it's this this could sink it kind of thing. So, I think it's a tough call important, too. Like, I've had push back from former elected officials um on the the mission and what the what the long-term vision for the housing was and that it was never intended to be market rate. And I mean that's that's a tough position for me cuz I'm like I'm sorry but it's going to have to be at least closer to market rate now. Like we can't run it at a reduced rate. Well, it was never supposed to be reduced rate. So that's just wrong. That just isn't right. Yeah.

I mean, I've been hearing about it since before it was even a thing. I wish I could see that somewhere. Is there any sort of covenants or any sort of like like mission statement or vision statement for it that we had that was like this was never intended to be a reduced rate? bring the person in to tell you from his straight from his dream that he woke up and wrote it onto the paper. Okay. If you want him to come in, I will I will direct his cohort to go talk to him. Although I don't like him to come in person anymore.

He doesn't like to come in person. But the I think if we're getting to that point and I don't know that we're there this year in my opinion because I think financially we're still doing okay and we're seeing some of these change and we want to see what happens when Sean tests out tra you know swapping one out. For me, there's no way that I would want to waste the money on adding to the rec center for a senior facility and knowing that we're going to be trying to foot the cost for a whole city hall. In my opinion, still, that's the more superior building that we should move the city offices into at some point rather than expect the residents to have that kind of a cost that they're not going to want to have for a new city building. But that's just my opinion. I think this building's worth it to let it go at some point more than the senior center.

And that building's really hard to work on, too. Even just from an IT standpoint, it's totally disconnected from like the senior center portion of it. And the rest, like even to run um trying to get data cables to the other end so that we can use like a door controller, we can't run anything. Um so it's not a great building design in the attic system. It would be very challenging to remodel because we've had to use pointtooints interior to make things work because there's no way to run cabling between the floors. So, not that it can't be done. It would just be very very expensive even just connecting like providing network. I don't know.

I actually like our building. You don't know how I feel about it but I like the senior center. But so that's what we've got. Unless you guys have any more questions or you want us to do something different has a comment. So currently we're bidding the roofs, we're building the air conditioning units, but what I'm hearing now is do I hold on them? Is that what I'm hearing? Cuz I mean you're roughly in that, you know, another half a million just in this year like current year that we already have budgeted. Like I'm just wondering like where am I at? Like what am I doing? I would never vote to get rid of the building any time in the near future. I mean, between now and 2030, we don't know what this building's going to do. I would never risk not having a backup.

That other building has way more issues than this building maintenance-wise. I'm just saying cuz we just replaced the windows and restained it. Burned it. Burned it a little bit. That's what I'm saying. Shake it enough. I I mean, we just It's a ton of time to get the bids and do that just to pull them at the end. So, I don't want to keep going if that's not the direction, I guess, is I just don't want to waste time spinning wheels. What is the thoughts of the Are we an RD RDA RDA board right now? Are we No, but it's on the agenda, so we should be.

I know. What are What are your thoughts, council? you want to proceed with the expenditures for this year that are in the next couple of months, right? Those are going on this year, right? Yes, they're in this year's like we have already have one bid on the roof and working on um units for the rooftops and then we are replacing trying to replace one the one unit that's vacant right now just to see how that replacement cost went, which that one's probably going to be minimal, but the rooftop units are expensive. I think uh the roof's got to be done either way. Like Yeah. I I mean, is the council okay if we move forward?

Okay. On that same note, are you okay with us putting those expenditures in the next year too? Those three items like more rooftop units, working on some of those apartment HVAC units, however Sean determines is best. And then the gym floor, those apartment HVAC units, the 200,000, how many units is that? There's 20. So that is all 20. That's all 20. But like I said, depending on how it goes, Sean may change his methodology. From what I'm hearing tonight, that we would pull that back after we get a price on this one and pull it back to maybe budgeting for five units for next year. Um, which is kind of the thought we'd had anyway, but wanted to get the number out there.

5% of a new building. Just saying. Uh, Rich, are some of the rents 1300? Yeah. Okay. Two bedroom. Okay. the the the current rate I'm off the top of my head, mayor, I I should look on the website, but it's 1078 for a onebedroom and then the two-bedroom number 1325ish. Yeah, something like that. We're making progress like they're going to go up again, right? When when I um inherited the job Yeah. a onebedroom was 560. So we've we made a little bit of progress. Yeah.

Yeah. You've got a 10% increase this year coming up again. January is when those take place. So we we just had it. Um and and we're not really caught up. So it has been a 10%. But I think the way that you guys approved it at one point or a previous council I guess was um not to exceed not to exceed 10%. But we've taken the whole 10% every year. Are you okay with the floor?

Should we put that in the budget? Is that okay? You feel like Do you want to talk to the floor? the dining room floor um is having some issues with um I I don't know what it what it's specifically called, but those doors that exit the east side of the dining room, those double doors there. Um for about five, six feet entering the the lunchroom, those door th I mean those that part of the floor is just coming up. Um, Cody kind of mentioned trip hazard and then there's a couple bubbles that have showed up over by where they grab their lunch, which is not as much of a trip hazard as as the other stuff. Um, what we would like to do is apply for some grants to hopefully help offset this cost. Th this uh 55 here represents the total cost of what we've got bids for, but our hope is that we can get some other help. But it's not I mean that's it's not promised or anything like that, but that was our goal. So is it okay if we put that in the budget for next year or do you want us to pull that?

I think it's safety issue. Yeah. We've got to take care of being in the RDA anyway. The citizens. It is. It is. So it come out of that like 1.9 million that we have sitting there rather than the capital. Mhm.

Yep. All this stuff comes we've been paying for out of there because that's where the rents go into and things too. So Okay. Okay. So that's everything we have for big capital item requests for next year. Um, that's all that I have to talk about is in that regard. I don't know if anybody has any other questions before we kind of move on to some of the other stuff. Um, if see none, then I'll just like keep rolling a little bit here. So, I just put together one of the things and I don't even know what TNT looks like yet. Like I don't know if anybody does cuz who knows what the legislature is going to be the next few days. I just wanted to talk about it cuz we haven't talked about it for a while. Um, so I threw these together really fast today, so I think they're all accurate and right, but if I'm off a decimal place or something, I apologize. This is just kind of a history of our rates. Any red is when we've went through TNT um, and the difference. And then if you remember, I always try to do this just so that it's more apples to apples. So just to explain this really quick. So like here's Plane City. There's their property tax rate. That's what it would cost per 100,000 of value. Their police providers, Weber County, they have their own fire that they do. So, they don't have a separate tax rate there. So, their total combined property tax is that rate. And so, they would be the lowest. The last time that they had TNT that was that they had an increase cuz a lot of these cities were unsuccessful in 2025, if you remember, cuz there were some changes. So, I didn't count that on any was 2013. Um, the reason that I try to add in the fire here is just so that it's more apples to apples cuz like if you look at Uenta for example, they don't have fire. So by time you throw fire in there, their combined rate is really this amount. Um, rather than just

look at the just the city rate and so you can see I was just wanted you to see we've done this for the last like eight or 10 years. So you can kind of see where we're at in the pack um and where we're at compared to increases. So are those 2025 rates or 2022 rates?

Those are 2025. Oh, sorry. I missed changing that number right there. Those are 2025s. Um so the last time I've done it was 2022. So you can see where we're at. You can see a lot of the cities had increases the last few years. Our last increase was at 2022. Um so that's where we're at. Um, you can see if you like it better in graph format. There it is. Um, I don't know if you guys have any interest in going through TNT. Once again, we just need to know what you're thinking. There was a bill. I don't think it's made it out of committee the last time I checked, but um I heard talking to somebody else that had been to an Association of Special Districts meeting that they thought that they might add that to another bill, but there's a um requirement that and it's my understanding all the TNT stuff unless they change it. I read one thing that said that they might like make that non- retroactive, but originally the governor said he was going to make any TNT things retroactive, but there was an April 1 deadline that we'd have to decide if we're going to go through TNT for the year.

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truth and taxation. So what that means is we would rather than we would say that we want to go through the truth and taxation process which means rather than adopt a final budget in June we adopt an acting budget and then we have to have some extra public hearings and there's a lot of requirements associated with that like we have to have a meeting on a night that we don't have any other meetings and we have to publish all the other entities that are having a TNT hearing and that are proposing a tax increase. Um, and then ultimately you guys get a we have a public hearing just for that. And if you guys decide to increase the t the property tax, then we'd have a second another meeting another night to adopt a final budget. And that all happens in like August. So, it just makes for a little longer budget process, but it gives us the opportunity to increase the property taxes. The one thing like I've talked to the mayor about about it a bunch. Um and we have on here fire and um we'll talk more about fire another night um and more details of what that looks like. We're still getting some information from the state and stuff. But if we were to reduce our property tax rate or we may be forced to reduce our property tax rate if we went to the fire district, if we did a like a 10% increase this year, it would be a lot more than if we had to reduce our rate by the full amount that we were fire charges and then we did a 10% increase. That's probably the advantage of doing something this year.

You have a question, council Arnold. Well, if you roll scroll it up just a little bit. So the right there, um, if you add the fire rate into our current rate, we are we would be at 13. We wouldn't be as high as Harrisville, but we would be higher than South Ogden. Yeah. Adding adding the fire rate into that. So, if we increase our property tax on top of that, how are we going to offset like all of the equipment that we bought, the fire station that we bought, all that kind of stuff to go to the the fire district that we would just clear up a what's the fire budget? 2.1 or something like that. It's like 2.7, I believe. But and 2.7.

Yeah. And we're still getting some answers back from the state. We may be required to reduce our property taxes by the amount that the Weber Fire District assesses. So it it may be the exact opposite of that. Okay. And it may and if we reduced it by that amount, we would lose like do you want to just say say a shot of 1 million? I mean because we're 1.7 Yeah, it'd be a little bit more than that. Probably like 1 million 1.2 million. We lose 1.1 million. We gained 2.7 million by getting getting the fire from the fire district. We we cover 2.7 million in cost. I mean, part of that's my concern. So, it just gives the city another, you know, 1.6 to spend elsewhere.

Yeah. And and I I I see the city as, you know, sheriff of Nottingham, you know, in the Robin Hood deal. It's like when we increase the the taxes on the people and we do supplement it with sales tax that you know the state looks at us like we're you know when our property tax goes down the state's going to look at us like we're not participating fully but yet you know our 90 we're probably I think you said we're almost at 10,000 now

we haven't we haven't got quite got there yet but they're like looking at this 10,000 and residents supporting a a police department like we do when Riverdale Road is our main issue. So, it's just it's not fair to the residents to, you know, shoulder some of the burden that that this I think we could keep it flat for the residents.

Yeah. And we might need to have like a little bit of increase because we are going to have 2030. We are going to lose, you know, like another couple million dollars here in a few years. So, it's just if you'd like to do an increase because there's some state laws that come into play. That's why we're working with the state and actually our attorney um to find out what we legally can do. But, it's looking like more than likely we're going to have to reduce our rate significantly. So, so that would be the advantage of doing it this year is a 10% increase on what we have now is way more significant. we would capture a lot more than if we did a 10% increase potentially a if we did if you decide to move forward with doing something with Weber Fire District and the effects on our rate. So, and we can say we want to and then not do it. There's like no harm no foul. But if we don't say we're not going to do it, then we can't go back, which is fine. It it really doesn't matter to me. It's a lot more work to go through the TNT2 process, but I feel like we need to at least have a discussion on it. So, I'm a no. Obviously, no to the process. That's It's painful. It's ugly. It's

You're a no as well. I'm a hard no. Okay. Man, I'm a yes. And are we making the decision tonight? We don't have to make it tonight. We just potentially have to make it like either this tonight or like at the next meeting. So, you guys can think about it. I guess we can even put an agenda item on there for next time. I think I would really need to see the numbers on the fire before we could talk about it because like how do we know if it's a need that immediate or you know we need to we need to be able to see the impacts of the fire thing first. Yeah. I just don't know that we're going to have time honestly like we kind of have to keep all these balls in the air. So you're going to have to make a decision.

Pushing the fire I mean or is that just something that's on the table? Consider it. Okay. Well, it's it's pretty hard see it's not projected in the the capital expenditures. So, I mean it's it's more than a consideration. It's a I mean it's a full-blown consideration, right? Yeah.

It's something we got to look at. You know, when we look at it five years from now, we got a big gap to fill. And if this filled even a good portion of that, it'll take some of that burden off. So, um, it's not like we're disappointed with anything they're doing and all that kind of stuff, but it could save us a fairly big chunk of money that would fill a lot of that hole that otherwise your senior programs and your senior buildings are gone. You got to fill it somewhere or we give huge increases to your residents. And I know that's our last choice. So, we've got to look at some of these things whether we like it or not. It's not an easy decision, but we've got some tough calls to make in the next couple years. even within the next year. Yes, sir.

Stephen, basically the whole fire thing is we're just we're we're shifting a property tax burden increase on the citizens but doing it in an unhandled way. I mean, are we are we going to reduce by corresponding amount? Yeah, that's that's what Cody was talking about there presented. But I I you know then that's a straight sixes six of one half dozen of another. No, it's not even close. It's not like because of economies of scale and stuff like if you look at what we were fired cheaper than we we're paying 2.7 million. Okay. And but we only lose like 1.1 million in our

Yeah. And we lose ambulance and some stuff too. So it's a little more than that. But but because they're able they can only levy one property tax rate across their district. So like I live in their district at my house. So I pay that we were fire district rate. Um I think Michelle lives in there too. So So yes, they get some economies of scale and stuff. So they can provide it for cheaper than we can provide it.

And we've had a ladder truck. I think it was supposed to be this year, wasn't it? and you're talking close to $2 million to just replace that one truck and it's coming up on its service time. So, um you start factoring some of those expenses and they're not cheap at all. So, but we are still getting some answers back, but every indication that we've got is whatever they by state code, whatever they end up assessing by property tax, we would have to reduce our rate accordingly. So it' basically be fat flat for the residents. But the problem is once we do that, then if we get to 2030 and we need to make up very much ground, it's going to be like 100% tax increase again

because where which is fine. It's, you know, like it's up to you guys. It's just a smaller increase at the rate we have today. So it's

okay. I'm I don't want to debate it, but I'm just going to throw this out there. I mean, you're looking at it purely dollars and cents, and I get that. Now, if we're on this theme, why don't we contract with police force with the county because that would be a lot cheaper. Well, we don't because the level of service we get, it has to be higher than what they can support. Now, are we giving up service by going to a fire district? I don't know. That's a discussion for another time. But, you know, is it apples to apples? I I I don't think so. But anyway, we'll talk about more of this as we get into it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a discussion for another day. All I'm really asking is if you have any like opinion on going through TNT this year. And the other thing that's a little scary is I don't know if you followed like the legislative session like some of those things that they were proposing like a 5% cap. Like it's possible like let's say that everything goes south for us. If there was a 5% cap we wouldn't even be able to raise property taxes enough to sustain operations. So like everything goes at that point. So, it's kind of picking your poison a little bit. Like, we know what Well, we don't know. We We'll know on Friday what we have to do for TNT this year. We have no idea for next year. Hopefully, it's the same. But based upon this legislative session, I would anticipate it's probably more, which is fine. Like, we can do that. Um, I just feel like being in my position, we got to talk about it.

What's the value of what's the dollar value of the property tax anyway? I mean, isn't it like 185 or something like that per household? No, no, that our increment that we get like how much we bring in, we bring in about $1.8 million in property tax in property taxes right now. So, we bring in a lot. Oh, it was the increase that was the that was 200.

Yeah. So, see, if we do a 10% increase, we get $180,000. If we do Weber Fire District and we we end up cutting our rate, we'd be down to like 400,000. So, we do a 10% increase. We get like 40,000. And you got to remember it does impact the residents, but it does impact the businesses, too. Um, which is great. We can do whatever you would like. Um, I just feel like we need to talk about it. Like, we really need to talk about it every year a little bit. Just so like you see what our neighbors are doing, you see, you can weigh what we're talking about and decide if that's something you want to do or you don't want to do. That's great. We just need to talk about it periodically. Probably at least annually. So So do we have a consensus? No. Yes. You don't know. Want to think about it? You want to

thumbs up for TNT? Good. Yeah. We have a thumbs up. We have a thumbs down. We have a thumbs down. A thumbs up. Wow. That was a should have got in quicker. What was it? She's on the hot seat right now. Guess you're teaching me a lesson and you can think about it till next week. I don't think we're or two weeks. I don't think we're really going to have a lot more information from the fire district by then. Um,

well, even if we don't, like even if you're just running some projections and we're using the 10 the 1083 that they're already using, can you put something together that shows what are we going to adjust on our side and what's the actual outcome and then what you're proposing after all that shakes out in a increase so we can actually see it. We can put some stuff together. A lot of it's going to be dependent

conceptualizing a little bit. You may be wrong cuz the state's been real like I want the state to sign a letter and like guarantee that that's going to be how it worked cuz last year with the TNTs they didn't back up any of the entities and so I'm really trying to get everything in writing and they've been difficult to work with and I've been off a little bit cuz my wife was out of town so they called me back yesterday and I haven't had a chance to call them back. Um, so hopefully they'll have a final answer, but what they keep telling me is like, well, you have to talk to the fire district. Well, the fire district can really only do one thing unless they do a big property tax increase. The only the other variable is if the fire district has it, like if we decide to go that way and the fire district does an increase, we've got to stay north of it. And so that's another reason that it might be worth doing TNT. If Steve's okay with that, we can put together some like simple projections and say like this is what we kind of think and this is what the state's told us so far. And

we all know it won't be a guarantee, but just so that we can fully conceptualize how that would all shake out and then if it's close to that, what you're what you're suggesting or proposing that we consider for TNT and what the impacts of that would be monetarily. Do you want to talk about it right now? I would prefer to to be honest with you. Um, so I don't have because I'm not on the network. So, is there anything else we can do for a minute? No, we can just talk while I do it if you want. We watch you. I'm just concerned as to what the net effect is going to be on the on the citizens.

It's almost like betting everything on black at Vegas as to how this is all going to play out because If we end up determining to go with the fire district and that reduces it, then the margin to increase 10% is narrower than if we do it now and then hold the line over time in the future. We can we can make the decision to consider TNT. Doesn't mean that we have to follow through with it. I think it's an option to consider. Yeah.

Um because I I don't want to raise taxes on the citizens. I don't. But if it becomes a strategic move to benefit the citizens, I think the more we communicate that with them and say, "Here's our dilemma. Tell me what you would do otherwise." You know, and and get their buy in and their understanding with it. that maybe we can present this in a manner that'll say, "Okay, yeah, I don't like it, but it's necessary for our community." And that's where I'm at with this. And so that I'm considering, yes, but I really want to see the numbers.

I don't know if we get through 2030 without a tax increase between now and then. I don't I mean we it still costs money to run a city, you know, no matter what we do. Um there's expenses out there and those don't go down

and you know, we we're trying to pull the the te uh sales tax dollars up as best we can and we've actually done quite well, but uh how long is that going to last? You know, we could just be on a bubble right now. In fact, I know one of them um had some incentives um from the federal government which helped us drastically because their sales were so high. It's Tesla basically, but those are gone now. So, their numbers have dropped back down. So, that's not going to last. And that's that's kind of what happens when you rely on sales tax. But from the get-go, when we first started talking about this, our number one priority is is how is this going to affect the residents because at some point in time, we've got to sell it to them as well. And so, we've been concerned about it, but we also know even if we got rid of that, we're still going to have to run the city. And it's it's not cheap. In fact, uh, Chief Warren gave me a list today, which is kind of interesting that a lot of people don't think about, but our, uh, call volume per officer is higher than anybody in Wever County, including Ogden City. And the only explanation for that is because of Riverdale Road. And the a city that's loaded like we are with our high commercial, it's it's expensive. And people don't realize that. They just think we have all this money, but it's expensive to run this city compared to other cities. There's nobody even close to us, which is shocking if you think about it. That's per officer. Obviously, Ogden's got way more officers than we do, but when you look at some of those numbers and break them down, our our even our police department's expensive, fire departments, they're all expensive. It just

to be honest, I mean, if the if the state's going to inflict this April 1 date on us, I don't really mind if we say, "Yeah, we're going to do it." And then they I don't know if they have to do any work on it or not. And then we say we're not going to do it. But you made us decide by April 1 before we could even think about it. So we said, "Yeah, but no, we're not doing it." You know, like almost everybody's going to have to say yes every March and then say, "Okay, no, we don't need to do it."

And I talked to another finance director earlier today and they used to work for Ogden City and Ogden City would do that every year. They'd say, "Yeah, we're doing TNT." And then a lot of times when they got ready to do it, they're like, "Never mind, we're not doing it." Um, so there is that. Um, okay. So, I found I think I have my stuff so we can talk about it pretty quick. So, this is the certified tax rate website. You can actually it's just tax rates.gov. You can go here yourself if you want. Um, you can go in here and you can see all sorts of reports about us. Um, so you can see here's our certified tax rate calculation. So that's our value and then they take that value and if you remember we're guaranteed the same amount of money as the prior year plus any new growth. So the calculation right here so they actually take into account like collections and all of that to come up with this certified tax rate value. So you can see here's our budgeted revenues from 2024. This is for tax year 2025. And so this won't match our financial statements exactly because payers have 5 years to pay. So it's a little tiny bit different but it's close. And so you can see this was our revenues from the prior year. So they take this amount and they come up with a rate. And so they use that and they came up with and you can see they actually shortened us like $3,000. So there must be some reason that they did that. And so with that rate, you can see that it would have generated this amount of money. Then they take our new growth and they times it by the same rate and add that in. And so then that gives us our certified tax rate and our certified value. Um, and you can see that's what our old tax rate was. So usually what happens is the values go up, the tax rate goes down so that we collect the same amount of money. So you can see our tax rate in 2024 went from 001425 to 01414. So we went up $11,000 by new growth. So that's our that's what their budgeted

estimate was that we would collect. Okay. So, if we take those numbers, and I just threw this into a spreadsheet the other day. Um, so here's that certified tax rate value the right here. So, if we take that, um, that's our rate. I get that same 1.7 million. There's our new growth. So, there's the 1.74. If you look at Weber Fire District, so if we come in here and we go to Weber Fire, Weber Fire, I believe, used to have two rates. They had one for bonds. I believe they just have a single rate now. So you can see there's their value. So if you go back and look like you can see the amount of money that they're able to charge their rate upon because they covered such a larger area. And so then this is their current rate for tax year 2025. So that's how much money they generated in property taxes. That was their new growth. And so that's their total. So if we take our value and we subtract out their rate from our rate, it would provide about that much money. So we would instead of having like the 1.7 we'd go down to 400,000 and with our new growth we would have collected 407. So we would give up 1.3 million. Um we also have some re ambulance revenues and some fire grants. Um that and that's what we spent in 2025 on fire. And so we would be over 700,000 to the positive by by doing that. So then the flip side of that is you know like that's what so they would only get the 1.3 from Riverdale but we give up you know the 2.4 and then the other things and so that's more than likely what it's going to be if um I don't have this for you but so we talked to I believe this gentleman is over the property tax division at the Utah State Tax Commission. And so Steve and I talked to him last week and then I sent him some

more stuff and that's when he called me back yesterday, but I was out of the office. So the last email I got from him, he said, "Thank you for your phone call yesterday. Per our conversation, it is proposed that you work with Weber Fire to determine the revenue amount they need to increase their budget based on the new service area they will provide. And considering the revenue that Riverdale has historically allocated to fire service, that amount would then be decreased from Riverdale's budget revenues. If approved, Riverdale would provide that revenue amount to the property tax division so we can determine if it is reasonable and if we can move forward. Please let us know if you have any more questions. So I basically sent him this example and said, "Well, this is Weber Fire District's rate, so this is probably what would happen. Would that work? like will you give us the green light on that? And that's what he called me about yesterday. So more than likely that's it would be something similar to this. So we're looking at if we move forward with the fire district that we would lose a significant amount of our property tax, but we'd give up more in expenditures. And according to them, like we're not here to argue if the service is better or worse. That's just financially probably what it would look like for us. So that's where from looking at it, we think it's an option worth talking about because that's a significant amount of money. Now, when we first looked at this a year or so ago, our property tax rate was higher than theirs, even more. So it was more like a million or a million two. Um, so it was even more in our favor. So over time, depending on what we do with TNT and they do with TNT, that ratio is going to potentially change some. So, so that's probably somewhere along those lines is what we're looking at. But like I said, we're still working with the state and we've reached out to Adam Long, our RDA attorney, and just trying to get like an official legal opinion so we have some

things to rely upon if we decide to go down this route that we kind of already know the answers to the questions and things. So, so that's what it looks like. Do you have anything to add or Matt? No, other than, you know, a $700,000 gap right there is a huge part of the 2.1 that we would have to fill. So, I don't know where else you're going to get that kind of money. That's why we we've gone down this path. We think it's just I mean, we hate to lose that. I mean, we're losing control and we're losing our guys in in essence, but we aren't in the other hand, too. I mean, I think the Weber Fire District is a is a reputable organization. I don't think our services are going to go down at all, to be honest with you. And there are some advantages to having those backups and extra guys that can fill in. And and we're we're not the only city. I mean, I kind of alluded to that earlier today. They had a public meeting in Roy a couple weeks ago. They're looking at the same thing for different reasons, but it's still the same same logic. It always comes down to money. And so, if they picked up Roy and us, then the whole uh west side of Wever County would become Weaver Fire District. and we've talked to him at length about doing the things that we do and and that was a huge concern of ours. Are you going to take care of our guys? Like, are you going to be able to pay them right? Are you going to be able to give them, you know, I I haven't heard from any of our guys that they're against it. I I hope they feel like they could reach out if they were. Um I uh I mean, if it was going to just completely screw our fire department, I would not even be behind it at all. But everything I've heard is we're going to take very good care of your guys. We're going to take them all on. you'll probably have the same guys working in the in the fire station unless they want to go somewhere else and want a a chance to advance. And we said, "Well, what about our Santa run? Are you going to be able to do that for us?" They said, "Yeah, no problem." Uh we said, "What about our open house?" "Oh, yeah, no problem. We can do all that stuff for you." Anything we have asked, they have just said, "We are here for you. We're going to do everything that your fire department's been doing."

I mean, can they deliver? I don't know. It's a little bit of a gamble, but um you know, it's it's hard. It's hard to give up our that 41 on our engines. Like I Yeah, if I if I had a choice, I would not do it. But I feel like $700,000 is it's a third of the way there. So for me, like, you know, it just it just makes sense. But did you have a comment? Councelor Stevens, Matt, Matt, grab the microphone. Um, okay. Washington Terrace, are they on on the fire district or they have their own? No, they have their own. They're staffed with part-time employees as well as they have a contract with Ogden.

Oh, that's right. Okay. That my main question is is there another fire district in Weber County besides the one Isn't there one in North Ogden? It's Yes. Northview Fire District and they cover North Ogden, Pleasant View, and Harrisville. Okay. Do you is their is their tax rate comparable to to the tax rate we're talking about? If you look at this sheet, they're both on their bar. Okay. I'm I'm sorry 96. So yes, they're very comparable. The ones 01083 and the north view is 0001096. All right, that that

so they're very close. Weieber Fire District is a lot bigger. Um I can actually attest Weber Fire Ser District Service. Um I think I've told you guys this before. So, like during CO, one of my neighbors crashed on a four-wheeler and I had to call an ambulance and I live 2 minutes away from their main station, maybe five, depending on the light and stuff. They were very quick. Um, my grandma used to live right next to me and she would fall at night and she had a button and I lived right next door to her or I did. She's in a an assisted living home now, but um they could get there faster than I could get dispatched. like I could grab my clothes and shoes and walk to my grandma's house. Like they were getting there faster. And so I feel like they like we have a great fire department, but my experience with Weber Fire District has been really positive, too. Personally,

uh back to Matt if you would please. Um I'm sorry. The new mayor of North Ogden is works for that fire district. Um I don't know is reputably are they the same? I I' I've heard because I know some people who work in that and I don't know other people in anybody in are they comparable as I don't know sixes

um there's differences I mean geographically and and services offered you have Northview Fire District runs two stations right now they have a potential of opening up a third and they they cover those three cities and uh I mean they have a pretty large resident base um Weaver Fire District is more a rural type organization with six stations with I think two being built, you know, breaking ground this next year. So, Weaver Fire is by far a bigger organization than North View.

Just by way of some background information for you, but where you wouldn't know about it, we even explored forming our own on the southern end of the county with South Ogden and the Terrace and Roy. Um, and it we just couldn't get there. It just wasn't going to work. It was going to end up costing us more money than what we were in. This was just the smoothest transition. We even reached out, this has been a couple years, but I reached out to Ogden uh with the previous fire chief about doing a contract with them. I mean, we've explored every option we could and and I think I I don't know that they're completely comfortable with it, but Matt, I think, worked for these guys at one point in time. And so, I think he's okay with it. I think the guys a little bit are uneasy, but it's mainly the change, but I think the opportunities for them are going to be far greater than I mean, we don't get chiefs very often. So, nobody's ever going to become chief, you know, as long as Matt stays here. Their upward mobility is just not it won't happen here. It just there's very few spots. And so, I think there's some opportunities. I think once they get in there, they'll be okay with it. Like the mayor said, they've been wonderful to work with at this point. previously when when Larry talked to him that was the big hangup is they wanted the building too and these guys that was the first thing I questioned them on and they said no we're fine with that because I told them that's just not an option we can't give up that

we're going to rent it to them or let them use it I mean we'll have to work out some of those fine deals details because there's some other little things that we're going to have to do the money of a brand new bathrooms and then give it I mean those are going to have to be done you know and we've been putting it off for a little bit anyway way. Um it just needs to be done and I understand it's a little bit of an expense, but um we can't hand that over to them when and then they'd have to do the same thing kind of thing. So all these all the little details we'll have to negotiate and and go down different paths, but uh I think overall it's a it's a a thing we've got to look at. We don't have a choice. We got to look at it, you know.

I mean I I really like the idea because I remember Matt's uh chief predecessor and his name escapes me momentarily.

Shel. Yes. Um because he he explored some of these and he was I like the fact, you know, because he was had a lot of good ideas, but that doing the south end of like Roy and um Washington Terrace, South Ogden, I I I really like that if that could but you know, if you've already explored it, it's it's just not going to work. It's too it's it's just difficult. You got so many differences between the agencies and some contribute way more. Some have bigger populations and it this was this was just an easier option for us. The other one just wasn't working. We weren't getting anywhere with that.

The fact that our guys can get sick sick days, you know, I mean, they got coverage. They don't got to feel guilty about calling in sick. They can get vacation days cuz we got 110 guys at Weber, you know, like those are just little things that that I just like and I don't need to restate everything the mayor and Mr. Brooks just said, but I was in that they gave a presentation in the 2030 meeting and and and so I can echo what what the mayor is representing here and what Mr. Brooks that they were very very open to doing everything. Obviously, they'd have to be in writing, but but I didn't get any reservation from them at all.

And just to answer your question earlier, Bart, like they would provide fire, they would provide ambulance, and they even have the opportunity, right, to provide paramedic because they're a paramedic agency. So in theory we our services could even increase with a paramedic in Riverdale. Okay. Now and again not to be late the vast majority of our calls are going to be the freeway in Riverdale Road. And so uh and and as long as I mean do they understand the volume that they're going to be?

They've got all the information from us. We provided them with capital information, what we have, budget numbers, call volumes, like they gave us a whole list of stuff and they've looked at all of it. And then not only do we have to say yes, they have to say yes to us, too. Okay. Like it's a two-way conversation. What What's the accountability line? Do if we if we find something's lacking, do we

So So like I live in Far West. I can talk to how Far West works. So they have a weekly um staff meeting and they have a member from Weber Fire District attend their staff meeting just like we have Matt attend ours. So if they have any complaints or anything upcoming they can talk to it's either the battalion chief or a chief each week at their staff meeting. Um Far West like he talks the mayor has the opportunity to appoint somebody to their board. So probably one of you would be a representative on Weber Fire District's board. Um, and then we have the opportunity to meet with them whenever we'd want. So, yes, we would have channels there. I think you had a question.

Is that anticipated if they take us on Android that their tax rate would actually maybe go down a little bit because of bringing on all of that new They haven't said any numbers that we've seen. we need to have an like administrative meeting with them.

But you would think the logical answer to that would be yes because Royy's population is so much bigger. Roy would become their biggest city at that point. And so um you know there's a lot more people contributing to that at that point. So that would be I mean without you know crunching numbers but we think that that would be a logical argument. And just for logistics, since we're talking about all this, it would probably transpire on a January 1st of a year because where they're a calendaryear entity and where we're a fiscal year entity and where all their revenue comes from property taxes, that January 1 date is huge. If you remember, that's the assessment date. So, whatever value you have as of that date, that's what property taxes you get. So, if they took us on in February, they wouldn't get any property tax revenue for like almost two years from Riverdale. And so in conversations with them, that's why Steve made the comment that it would impact our budget because like if we were going to do it for 2027, like we'd probably have a fire department for the first six months of the year and then the last six months of the year we would not. So you have any other questions? Back to the TNT question. Do you want Sorry to sound like a broken record here. Do you

Do you want to talk about that? There's only one person that needs to make up their mind. Oh, that's right. We're down. We're down to the last one. And And I don't know that we even got to like tell anybody by April 1st, but just in case. And if you want to talk about a next meeting, we could. Well, yeah. I mean, and Annie, if you would consider it, uh, because I I have nothing else on for that meeting on the 18th. And so, well, I would just say if we can still say no and if we're just saying it just so that we don't have to be under some sort of pressure deadline, I would say I think we'd be fine as long as that state law doesn't change. And the last I heard it wasn't. So, yeah. Um, but if it did, then we'd have to move and we'd have to have that meeting for that purpose alone. So,

it would be nice if we at least had some guidance. Again, we can always pull out of it. We don't have to do it. So,

yeah. The other nice thing about doing it early, like saying that we're going to do it early, is if you remember, at least if nothing changes, only one entity per night can do a TNT hearing. So, if we say we're going to do it, we could probably reach out to the county because we'd have to reach out to the county and say, "Yes, we're doing it, and by the way, this is the date we want." So, we can kind of like, and then if we opt out, it's like, "Well, that night's available for somebody else." But if you don't want to do it, that's just fine. I just thought we needed to present the whole thing and and um let you guys make the decision. That's kind of your jobs. So I would say yeah for now, but I'm not sold on it.

Okay. So So if we find out that that's in effect or maybe otherwise just so that we're covered, we can send an email to the county and say we anticipate that we're going to at least look at the TNT process and then we can go from there if that works. Okay. Do you want to talk any more since we've talked a ton about fire? Like what that process is going to look like, like what you're anticipating?

I think I'd probably rather hold off now cuz we got to start getting down into some of the other stuff and I I some of it we're still waiting on. And so I'd prefer to wait, but uh we wanted you all to to have it in your minds and think about it because it's uh it's a viable option that we've got to look at and um we can get you more details once we have finalized numbers and stuff that's going to help us a lot too. It's been really weird with the state cuz this isn't something that we do, but you would think that they do it quite often and they won't give us answers. they act like they've never done this before and so it makes you a little bit nervous and so we want to make sure we've got something back from them so we've got it in our hand that we can rely on and Royy's kind of in the same boat. We've been talking a lot with them because they they they haven't even looked at it as deeply as we have and uh they're going to need to know it as well. All of us are before we can pull the truck trigger final finally on that. So if we end up doing it but yeah I think it's good for now. We've covered quite a bit tonight unless you had questions or something more that we could answer for you.

Okay, let's move on. That is all I have. Unless

we're just doing capital stuff. That's what we usually do if you remember because then that kind of gives us enough information that we can get the tenative put together. Okay. And then um on the agenda, our next meeting tenatively would be that night, May 5th, when we would adopt the tenative budget. Usually we review it thereafter. Now, if we really end up going through TNT, you know, like there would maybe be another meeting between now and then to at least say, is this what we really want to do? Um but plan on that May 5th meeting being kind of long, too. So, are there any Oh, go ahead.

I just have two things that I I would like to propose that we start giving the planning commission like 250 bucks a month or something like that. Um that it's just more of, you know, compensating them for their time. I mean, it's not much. And I think they get 70 or something like that now. 50 50 I mean I Whoa. 50 bucks. That's a lot.

Anyway, just in in the budget, um I would propose that we um bump the planning commission to 250 is the number that I was thinking about. And then um I don't know if Michelle wants to be around for this one, but um she her with her getting her certification and all that kind of stuff. Um, I think she's underpaid here within the city. Um, she could have left and gone to, you know, somewhere down south, which is that's what they do. And, um, I have a well, she's a former relative, um, unrelative now through divorce that is part of her world. And, um, she's told me that Michelle is like topnotch. Um we don't want to lose her and so I would also propose that we bump her salary a significant amount and the amount that to start with down south that she could have started at was $10,000 a year more. And so I mean I would like the the council as we're looking at the budget to look at increasing her wages to sorry to do that in front of you but she isn't she doesn't know about it.

It's west. It's out west that's trying to get her all the time. Not down south. Well there's a couple but she could have she could have gone south your hometown if she wanted to drive. Yeah. Well, but I think I would like to do I mean I she's done her certifications and um so my former relative is is Casey from uh West Point, right? She works at West Point and she's involved in all the association and all that kind of stuff. and and I just would like to to see a number of a fairly decent bump there if you can scratch it out somewhere. We weward

we need the whole council to I mean give us some direction on that. I don't have issues with either of those. But, uh, well, some of those, don't we have to look at our our policy, too? Like, like there's some stuff we have to do on the back end to see if some of that's even like fully kosher. So, that's the thing. It's like the lighting,

you know, we can do that. Um, one of the things that I think Sean said, we were talking about what the city looks like and things like that and our standard for lighting is the telephone pole wood and it's like if you go to Logan or Roy or um Clinton, you know, they've they've upgraded their lighting for their street lighting and and they just look nice. the the city looks nice and our you know Riverdale again you know our standard is a telephone pole and I don't see why we can't start looking at some stuff to make the city look nice. That be a transportation grant because it lights the roads for safety.

I'm in. I vote I vote yes. Michelle jump on that. Earn earn that money I'm talking about. Anyway, like the planning commission stuff. Is that what you're talking about a little bit too? All of it. Yeah. Yeah.

And the Yeah. Okay. Uh we did kind of gloss over council projects and initiatives. Uh that used to be a little bigger part of our meeting. Is there is there anything anybody is wanting to do or or wanting to pursue or had in mind you'd like to see on the capital budget or um I kind of wish we'd done another survey to be honest. Like I was thinking about it. I was looking at our old one last night and just kind of got away from me. Yeah, because it's a little late now. Yeah.

Well, and what I was talking about if we could throw in that area too is I I think about it every time because I I go to Bear Lake every weekend from April to November and I go through Logan every time and I think this place looks great. You know, they put their seniors, you know, stuff. They just have all kinds of things going on in their city that it just lo Logan's really nice. They they've been doing some major stuff and and I just I think we could do it if we got ahead of it. And some of these things like you know when they do the site plan or whatever, you know, it's gone now, but a little bit of a design standard type thing or Yeah.

Yeah. Just upgrade it. We'll slowly make a difference as it's coming through with new site plans. Does anybody know where uh Reese? There's a there's a little town called Reese here in Northern Utah. Anyone ever heard of it? It's out 12th Street. It's about 300 people. I spent a lot of time out there this fall and winter. And uh I would meet my brothers at the their pickle ball complex. They got a beautiful pickle ball complex out there. Reese, there's 300 people. And uh anyway, if there's ever anybody, I'd love to see a pickle ball court. It would make my life a lot better. And uh while we're at it, I would I would encourage the uh city council to to respond to any emails that they may have received on the subject. But

I'll I'll go on the record. Cody, as you're penciling in your stuff, let's do some pickle ball. I mean, if we got to get a grant, we got to put something in capital projects for a year from now. Trying to get a grant. Like I I And honestly, like I was looking at the survey last night just kind of trying to figure out where the priorities were. And I think we all know that's that was the one thing recreation wise that's on there, you know, repeatedly after public works and infrastructure and stuff. But that would be my one request request.

You know, I got to tell you though, I was recently up in Riverdale up by Comi Farms and drove by the the pickle ball court. There wasn't a person out there. Not one person was out there. This was two weeks ago. Yeah. And and same thing with the one by not one person two weeks ago. Two weeks ago was February. So what I mean but I look at ours boy are they packed. Ours are packed. The inside ones or Yeah, I know. And so I mean it's like

I bet those people in West Haven and and Washington Terrace are saying we need inside and and so I mean it's just like you know do we are we going to be all things to everybody? No, we never will be. No, but uh we do have we do bring in one of those places. Somebody just announced one. Oh, really? Yeah. Riverdale. No, but it's close by. I can't now I can't think of who it was. Oh, yeah. South Weber built that. You the Pickler or whatever it is. They got a big facility there right at the mouth the canyon. They're probably more expensive than a city court for sure. Oh, yeah.

They're heated. Anything else? All right. If there's nothing else, city staff's all done. The only thing I would say, Mayor, having that vote on that, do you want to have a meeting on the 18th? I only have a couple of things floating out there, neither of which are timesensitive. So, if we need to continue them, we're okay. I'm sorry. What was the 17th that I forgot about? It's caucus night for both parties. That's So, we'd have to push it to a Wednesday, which could cause problems to schedule. So, if it'd be nice while you're here, if I got your vote rather than me having to reach out to you there, it would be okay to cancel, right? If if we don't have anything time sensitive, right? How people thumbs up on cancelling if thumbs up on cancelling. I think we have Yeah, we have a majority there. So,

okay. Thank you. Yeah. Anything else from the city staff? We would like to get these guys home to their families, huh? You good? All right. All right. All right. Well, with that, we would need a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Motion. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor say yes. Yes. Yes. Ajourn asleep at 10. So right here, I'm usually in bed by 9:50. You'll hear a th I've been trying not to be on this whole time. I haven't been very good at it. That's terrible, right? There you go. Hey Michelle, good job on the snack.