Council - workshop

good evening everyone it is july 28th 2026 and i'm calling to order this work session of the ridgefield city council it is 5 30 p.m and we're here for a discussion of the nfm county and avenue reconstruction project design and budget update and i'm going to turn it over to poland works director asher members. Thank you for your time tonight. We're looking to finalize the design for Penn Avenue in advance of the August 19th promos. There's some design elements and events we'll be talking through. So you'll get a design update, and then the guidance needed is related to some costs related. design elements, inspiration, soul, better presentation to walk through it. And there are some staff with some of your own clients that are coaching manager here and among others. And so I think we'll just move into it. Thank you, Director Brasher. Thank you, Mayor Koetze. My plan for this is to just try to get through all of it as a presentation, and then go back to each individual forum and discuss what they need. Please, not only if that's questions during the presentation or something, continue with questions at all, but work to meet the needs of the discussion until I can get through everything. Because, yeah, it's a long class. There could be a class here that is interplayed with everything that we come to for. So we're going to talk about what we're going to talk about. The intersection design is by your intersection design. The street parking is this district. And as a general public, you know, where the project costs its rate. It's a reminder of where we were in the schedule. The project kicked off on Saturday. The staff was here in March to discuss the 66th and D.I. intersection, and I'll discuss what I'm talking about soon. We're working on a little bit of that plan as well. We're currently in Phase 3. The concept of terminating is a portion of this, between Phase 3 and Phase 4. open those four on the August 18th from 430 to 7 p.m. at St. Richard's Church. That was a reminder that I didn't have the time to speak or something. So this ADD system will finalize things, but what we're going to open those four is in advance, of course, I didn't continue to develop any of those four. The county is hoping to have a concurrent resident issue from the city council in October. That will be the benefit of our next few months, you know, from an idea from the council. So phase three of the open house was I reached out to the school. There was a human rights survey that interacted with them as well as a talk about what we wanted to do to implement. There were 420 interactions with the public through the open house, the survey, the website, web apps, and then about 13 business owner discussions as part of that as well. This followed the city, followed the city process, so this phase really guided the Transportation Commission's suggestions and recommendations that we're about to go through. And it reflects the participation from the public in the maps. The other thing to note, the decisions that are in today's discussions are going to be more effectively on the side, at least set up the final point for this project. I actually prefer this other option. Discussions still can be had throughout the next few months as we move through open ops 4 and 5.0. public engagement and transportation. The Transportation Commission is recommending to use a one-way cycle track. This is the same effect that's on 66th Street. This is generally supported by the public. And the other two options that were formed are to use charities to have a two-way cycle track on one side of the roadway. The public tended to appreciate the one-way cycle track, and it's clear where everyone is supposed to be. People are used to it on 66th Street, and it provides that separation for both bicyclists from traffic and bicyclists that are in streets. The major intersections, you've got 64th Street, 69th Street, and 70th Street. There's a case for recommendation plus two. All three of these are currently signalized intersections that are recommendations to convert all three to a single lane compact road. If you do the same wrong about designing federal, then the evidences are often the same size. From a safety perspective, they significantly reduce the severity of crashes. From a traffic flow standpoint, they reduce operational delay. You don't have a car waiting at a signal where there is no cross-traffic. And from a just overall safety perspective, these sort of vehicles that are not going to be intersectioned We're going to talk through each individual intersection and some of the things here that make me excited to ask questions at this point as well. 64th Street is the northern roundabout. Apparently this is a signalized intersection with Love Hobby down here at the Water Tower. Fire Station 2, Delano East, Mother Dock, and Fraser. The Transportation Commission from a transportation standpoint, what would be the best site for people getting through, no matter how rich they get. So what we're going to discuss here is the remaining questions and challenges that do come with some of these items. This is, so this roundabout is recommended by the Transportation Commission in reference to the public schools to be used in premises. We also refer this design to the lessons given over the years of time that Commissioner McHill has helped make this law. The big remaining questions with this one are property impacts. The northeast corner, when we're talking about access to consolidation, is the only reason why they're done, to share the same driveway, which requires a private agreement between the two offices. Frazier in the northwest corner has expressed that they are. And then the other big stakeholder here is the fire department. This is fire station two. We've had good discussions with Mike and Roger, and their fire chief, to figure out how we can accommodate the fire department's access to this point. As shown here, it's already been qualified to accommodate the fire department's access to this point. essentially just discourage additional rain turns into the driveway flatten this out so that the parks being in the northern bay here can turn and then I think there were some slight modifications made to make sure that left turns out of the fire station can make their turn without having to go over the curbs the fire department has indicated that 95 and 99% of their calls from this station are left turns out So we want to make sure that that works for us. This is extremely regular occurrence. The one item that we talked about, but there's not really a, we don't really know where it's even going yet, is the President's Red Fire Department expressed some type of notification that they did trigger with the Omnicom to let drivers know that a truck will be leaving the building. We don't know what that looks like yet. Frankly, there's not really any other situations where there's a fire station. I won't look around at them. So we're still trying to work through what that would potentially look like and try to find something that makes it clear and that makes it important for the fire department. So since we have this chief here, do you want to review this? I second everything that Ben just said. fairly neat convenience and taking it all over my feedback as well as Roger's and then trying to get away with basically kind of just the comparison that I've made because I have heard concerns from the fire department different than every other roundabout that we can come up with or don't think of or other. It's just that every time a truck leaves the station, it's going to, I don't know, go through that intersection. But I think with the accommodations that they've made, they've looked at the truck's turn radius or face scenario. If there's a car that stops on the wrong spot for us, we can look for So I think we're addressing all concerns. If we can make some improvement or, you know, with the light, you know, with the pedestrian, pedestrian light and table thing, I think that would be beneficial. But it's everything that we've seen should work for the federal government. Do you have any questions about the fire department work? So I think that would be to set up meetings with the company's safety group to determine whether or not they're going to be able to come through. One other thing here. So this concept does require pretty significant right-of-way acquisition from this person in the northeast corner. I will note both the signaling around about would require right-of-way acquisition. This does require more right-of-way acquisition, more right-of-way for roadway purposes, bikeway purposes, a split 50-50 between the county and the city. So in this case, any additional right-of-way acquisition would be a split 50-50. This one to 69th Street. I don't know. This one, oh, sorry. Then again, this was also supported by the public engagement. I was talking about my phone numbers. Close to 70% of the references were for around 2014. Similarly, at 69th Street, about 70% of the public participated, referred us around about a year. This one is a little bit more straightforward. There is a fairly substantial retaining wall in the north-right or in the north-west corner. This property works actually in the interior of the main retaining walls. The main wall is essentially this intersection. There's not much work to be done on this. Any questions from the speaker? So we have a project that we will be giving a public engagement for actually in a couple of weeks to rebuild 69 streets in the west. We have the same consultant working on it for the city for that project. Since the county has worked on all their own projects, they need some of that coordination to make sure that we're talented. The language here is both what ends up being of a preference to the West, while the other one is kind of like that. That's just the way it is. It's a terrible process to determine that. But it's not my plan. It would be to do that for me. It's a new policy. 75th street this is currently a signalized intersection today as well there were three options posed to the public at this intersection traffic signal a two-way stop the street crosswalk platform or the side of the roadway where the train crosses in this roundabout so this one had a little bit lower Our president is still in the majority of the respondents. The Transportation Commission is recommending this as well. There's three public schools. Rivers, that's designed. They have a middle school right here. Three rivers, Park District, Buster County, and Dunneville. And I'd like to say that this is their preferred design. The Nine Mile Creek Regional Trail. And I do not believe that we have heard anything from some of the education centers made or favorite groups in the church at all. There's one that has also had some pretty substantial property impacts, especially in this northwest corner. Again, some of the three intersections, this is one where the biggest cost difference keeps in the play between around and out of the signal. Over two locations, they are roughly launched. For this slide, it'll be largely because of the extended footprint for about, this is about a $500,000 difference between a single and a roundabout. A roundabout is more for its function. Do you clarify where the flash should be? And then all four lanes are just a trail? So, I believe it is all four lanes. Yeah, all of them. Both all four lanes are just a trail because they're all on the same basis. So 64th Street and 74th Street currently are planned to have, based on the county's warrants for losing those, 69th Street would need to be a city admission based on their balances. Because I was working through on 64th, 75th because of all the schools in the vicinity and 12th Street. So that's already planned. March 75th is very cool. We've been attached to reach out to the school that's working during us. It's that end. And we have a little bit of news in for MCCC. I'm a few feet here. We'll have that all the time. And I see students and all others walking through it. Yeah. Well, I think they can. So as a comparison, you can always use your business model. Prior to the fourth open house, typically anything that has a substantial right-of-way acquisition, these properties will get better. That's the intent and the outcome of the project. I don't know if you can reach out to both of those schools individually to see if there's any concerns around those arms potentially. Joe has connections with some of the leadership at the BICC about potentially working with the school to do some education on that. might not be something that students are used to. But really, in the sense of being the way the material theory of the kingdom of heaven is now reached, it's one of those things. So do you have like two or three whole groups that's in a special group? Yeah, all the certain types of students can work in a group. Okay. And is there any mystery that we were to retain the signal, and what was the priority stage to do more on C1 since C1 and C2? I'm sure that's a little less than what it's supposed to be. But in terms of the performance of that, it's a little more conspicuous. And there's still a lot of work to do. That's the current government. So there's a lot of work to do. So you have to actually do what you see fit. I appreciate what I called it. It's a little bit more conspicuous. It actually is. Another one on 75th Street. I didn't hear it right, but is that... It's a little bit larger than what we were talking about. It's a little bit larger. A little bit larger. Yeah. So I mean, this is slightly lower right now, just because there aren't as many streets or buildings. Although, that is something that we could look at even further. It could be described as an X, but we try to maximize the size of the circle. It's given all of the complexes, the areas, the walls, and the arches. It's just more interesting to maximize the circle at the end. Not all. Just a single level. Just a single level. all of the traffic with this northbound right turn, 90s right turn on the right-hand verge right after this. And it's essentially in each direction that this intersection is at. I've never seen any of them just circled, but again, this is the equation. Is there any possible place called barrier or something that really makes it clear that if you're coming out early in there so that people are really, makes it very clear that people almost all the steps, wherever it is, need to do this? I mean, is that a possible way? You're absolutely right about it. I think sometimes, yeah. the standard we follow for creating that sort of separation is the pro-leg, multi-grade of way, accessibility grid, which considers a grassy median to be a much closer separation area of the material to get people to use the path. You understand the concern, the specific location. And it's something that I think we can potentially look at. We have all four floors, but only some of the two floors where you have the bicycle path that people go through pretty quickly. It's something that might fit in the routing methods right out here. And you don't want to pick those racing connectors to sort of do the same effects. But I didn't know right before that I would be able to do things like this. It's also very interesting. continuing to move on minor intersections so this is incredibly hard to see I apologize these were the current door larger graphics are in the back if you need to look in which anybody wants to do and then the intersection specifically the public preference and the transportation commission preference is to have less current lanes with pedestrian media than all the minor intersections so this is similar to what you see on the corner of FB today where There's a small concrete median between the left turn lane and the right lane in the other direction. This would be at 74, 72nd, 70th and a half, 70th, 68th, 66th, and 63rd. And the Transportation Commission was lucky. And I mean, we did the thing that I go through every single year. So actually, students look at it. We're all experts in things in intersection. The status was sort of provided. that are based on some conditions that are present at some intersections specifically at 70th and a half street there is there are so many driveways right there that adding those medians creates access issues so And we're not recommending that that move forward. I don't think the other two were at 60th. This is 63rd. 60th is, I think, sweet soon. All of them, all four of those, require some pretty substantial impacts from parking lots, which potentially can drive the runaway acquisition cost up significantly. But to add to that, at 63rd, because there are no left turns northbound into either of the two entrances there, there is room to put a full median. on the south leg of the intersection. So what's taking so hard to cross that is the result in the middle. What would you say your discussion is like at the end of the presentation? Well, if you have questions, you can ask me. What's my order list? I would say 18. You can have all of them. And I can get you to maybe say 70. And that is the only one that you want to cut, or the multiple that you want to cut. Well, it would be 70 and a half, 60 and 68. What was it you mean to have a graphic girl who was the only one to assess in the recording? I'll talk further with the intent or sort of the way you measure how it's going to be possible in those certain places. Yeah. So for testing, so the project team did take counts of including better strength by sequence at every intersection along the corridor back in May of 2023. How does it behave? And then do you think it's going to work? Do you think it's going to work? Do you think it's going to work? It's enough measurement that you would do. We will do it again for people who can't cross outside the intersections. But that's what we're talking about, is people not using intersections to cross. They're crossing in between rooms. And then, in a conservative measure, that is what we're attempting to do here. Basically, the cameras were still up. We didn't know the color. We were crossing the street from the general police. And we didn't know if people just didn't get caught. So people crossing either east leg of the intersection or something like that. 14 layers of technological limitations. So, you know, that holds up. In this case, of course, I'm not going to do that, which means I'm going to force this thing over. I'm going to be using information that I've actually seen where people are already trying We'll also note that all these, the number we've seen in each institution is the real ones today. So we don't know what the part of our fault result is, but creating a safer border binding crossing will increase the burden using it. I don't know what that means at all. measurement time for this building, this community's building, is up to a million measurements. It's a space. We're totally ready to leave. We have a million steps to interpret. It guides me to, occasionally, hit you with this one-on-one network to see how things are doing, occasionally, but don't worry about it. That is what counts. It's in your system. Or it aligns with me from where I'm from. It's actually a process. It doesn't require us to look at something. When we look at it, it's not a problem for me. It's just one of the best things we can do with it. I don't know if you guys are going to do it online. to those one units that you have assembled on the other side. It's possible to put a political equipment or already do it on the other side. Yeah, so that's the camera. And then actually, it has systems that it follows with cameras and filters into the intersectional module. And we're going to be using all of that before we do this. And I think I would still recommend that they save some time to learn how to do this. But if you want to get money from your students, The rest of these things are very easy to do. I think I'm going to use that, too. So what are your aspects of that? So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to see if there's excuses to do that. I can speak to Portland and 73rd because there's so many bus stations and there's no people and a lot of people stop at the immediate. It's a little busy halfway and stop and then go across so they use it. So if it's a busy intersection like that, I think it would be important. But my question is on a couple of these, would you, if necessary, And so we've got a roundabout. It's a simple intersection, but it's a four-way traffic of both ways. And there's the median, which is what we're talking about here, with the left turn lanes and the pedestrian median. And because of the bus station and all the traffic, a lot of people stop in it. Like, it's a lot easier to go to the intersection or outside of the intersection. And add the intersection, because that's the speed it's supposed to go. And that's driven by the fact that there's a lot of traffic and a lot of foot traffic. So if it wasn't used a lot, I don't know if it's necessary. But in that case, it works well. Is that all? The other discussion point was closed medians. So this came up on my board as well. Closed medians actually tracks the intersectional tour right in, right out. So no left turns are permitted in any direction. This is a safety device as well, especially at intersections that don't have a lot of left turn quality. discourage people from turning left here and having to go to intersections that have some type of traffic control, get around at all times, or something like that. This one house, at least, was unique from the public engagement side because it did not have much, if any, support from people who attempted to receive an open house of the online survey assisted deferral option at several of the intersections with more than a majority of the process. So, in one or two cases, it was a majority. So, the Transportation Commission looked at a few specific intersections that have very specific criteria that they were looking at. And so on at 73rd Street, that's coming down the street as a future bike route from Adams Hill Park all the way across the city to Cedar Rock. But any of this, you can create a through vehicle traffic there to make it a lower volume street for that bike park. At 71st Street, you have a three-lane street with the cemetery. So you're only removing left turns into 71st Street and out of those, that's the first street. And then at 67th Street, it's in the middle of the business district, too, by Fire Center Foundry, Sandy's. That is close to give a favor crossing location within the business district of South Side of 66th Street. So all of this then comes into session with Arcadia as well. So at the last work session, you were requested to look at where Arcadia could work with this district area around the county's current policy. parking isn't clearly a city cost. So where if the city wants to add parking or maintain parking, specifically maintain parking, it is fully on the city to pay for the materials on the right-of-way costs from that additional brokerage. So in the six to seven-hundred block, an N-0 parking change to be a two-way parking. There's 15 existing street parking stalls. 15 proposed can fit. There's one off-street stall that I think would be in there. Could I forget which address that's at? So let's write that. It comes down to about $12,000 or $11,760 per on-site space to maintain this parking lot, which is about $176,000. In the 6600 block, there is space to add potentially 14 on-street parking spaces. This 10 existing, 24 can fit this wood impact setting on streets, halls, and strip malls to have a pick and parlor and a cobbler. It's increased about $370,000 for about $15,000 to $16,000 per spot. Just know that they offered recently that this property owner is opposed to quite any impact that I'm working on. So this will likely have increases in costs in fiscal 2020. Any increased costs? Is that the right way to end that? So those spaces, I can see where they're taking the spaces out. Would we be adding the equivalent spaces nearby, or are we going to have to cross the street? Well, I believe it would end up being roughly seven or eight stands on the east side of Brown Avenue. That would essentially replace the seven spots being probably more familiar. And I think they have . I know that they have issues there. So they're not like disciplining certain spots for certain instances. So I don't know if that would be an argument or a restraint. Or a restraint. I'm happy to be a part of that group. I'm happy to be a part of that group. I'm happy to be a part of that group. I'm happy to be a part of that group. That's an opportunity for them to change the way the local feel in front of their business. That's a fit. And they'll park in, like, have seating out there or something like that. But I don't know that they're willing to. That's in mind. It's tough having some teleparking in front of them. And then we can go from there and just guess how many spots they can still have. And we are up to the problem. That would be a measure of what proof they could probably use for this. They could potentially do parallel. I don't know what that would look like from an access standpoint. But that's a potential for what I'll tell you. It's worth your attention. That's actually a good point. I think the assumption was that from a highest cost standpoint, we would probably plan for all seven of them to not be useful. But I do think that that is a potential solution that we could work out that would keep some of that 30 in front. to the county and their staff. And just one thing to note on that, the traffic that we're getting here, if you'll notice, on the north side of their property to the east end, If I close it at an existing access point there, we have an access in the south to get into the south exit for the park to get out. We don't need all the parking we can do on access. But if we keep any, we'd have to keep one of both of those access points. So that's one if you were to drive through, that's one if you were to go through access. Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm very proud of you as well. Yeah, we've got one. I don't know. I don't think that's possible. I don't think that's possible. I'm just thinking about the growth of the trade. It's impossible. In fact, that's impossible to do. I have a question. I was thrilled. Briefly, we had added parking on Lundell Avenue by City Bella there. And the shop's still on the first level. And so we didn't park in because of our things. We got the shops and things on the street. So that's the concern. Is that the 19-year-old private spot's all fronting? Because it's just exciting nights. And they're grown. And I have two hours a weekend. I guess that is one piece of the ending with one. We did this because the current controversy was that some businesses would lose cold parking, and then other businesses couldn't get access. And this really had to do with the fact that there was a lack of information on that issue. So I don't know if this is a problem. I don't know if it's just the way it is. I don't think we ever got access to that issue. question I had about that instance, and actually I kind of want to ask the question sort of in such a sense as well. There's a lot of ones that like, if they were to come to somebody and use that location, that parking lot would not be approved because there isn't enough space for actually waiting for a car. Currently, that parking lot gets away with basically, they don't have to use that parking lot, they're going to have to use the right way to call that parking lot to be say we didn't do it, we did the narrowest possible option, and there was no parking there. Are we just going to let them use the new sign-by-ways and move to the parking lot? Or how are we moving towards people getting out of the curb? And then what's the association to any of those, like, substantive parking lots? And how will the sign-by-way be treated? It's, uh, we've heard some community that's done nothing with the curb there. Essentially, it's a, I mean, it's, there is a separation between the point we've got I wouldn't think about it. I would especially think, oh, it's hard. It's hard for me to use it. It's very likely that you do not at any other state park except, like, to enforce the law and enforce our existing right of way. I think that would actually make the park more impeccable than a physical one. I think there is more space than there should be, I think. Yeah, it's possible. It's possible that it would make it entirely unfeasible, this location. if that is potentially the way that you have them. Yeah. And when I do that, well, there's basically many different different options. And one of them is sort of similar. So what I'm actually going to look at is just like two nodes and spawns and what's going to happen to that. Then when I go to the second curve, because it looks a lot more tough, I'm going to add in a next level. And there's benefits and bits and pieces. On to the north side of 66th Street. This is a, there's a lot going on on R366. There's three very different lengths in how we're doing competition here. So we'll start off with Steph from CDM, who we've already discussed with. We are not recommending any street parking on R366 Street. Hopefully that isn't a concern to you. 6,500 block, no right of way is required to build additional space. Essentially what would end up happening here is you have a 20, 22 foot third lane which has parking in the side of it. If you don't have parking, it needs to be 16 to 18 feet wide for a fire to open that anyway. So it would, you're only adding up to a whole feet of pavement. if it gets used, it potentially narrows the physical roadmap. If it doesn't get used, it potentially widens that. So there's this section. I didn't update this. I apologize. There is space for at least up to 16 spots in this block. So that meant that we had about 25,000 spawners per day. So you would be responsible for adding this parking. It would remove pretty much all of this green space that's shown here. And some of that buffers. the right lane and sidewalk. Another potential thing to think about in this situation here is it sounds like Metro Transit will likely move the 350 bus stop on the south side to the north side for the northbound 4. If that does end up becoming a BRT line in the future, they would need about a $1,250,000 space for a meet or a transit bus stop that we would just need So that's the 6,500 block. Before you go on to make sure, under CD, you select the 16th street. OK. And so, for the benefit of our viewers, our routine is going on for the 16th and 17th streets. And that's it. We're also in touch with the U.S. Department of Public Health. We're also in touch with the U.S. Department of Public Health. will not be around. There will not be closed areas. This is going to be most of the second half. That is what we are going to be proposing, yes. But the commission didn't provide any of what you may need here to be proposed. And just in terms of concerns about people going south, that I don't know. And that would be with the added opposition of the chart is falling through, especially the ambition. We're really not going to expect this to generate enough traffic for that to be an issue. For many of the open houses, people, a lot of people, there's questions here about how the apartment work there, the new apartment building. I don't know if you've been here in these areas. Do you have an idea of the apartment? Yeah, first of all, I read this report last year. It's much less than what I was hoping, but just telling me that you're enjoying it. You're picking it up here. Yeah. So it's very easy to control. It's just you've got to find ways to get to the end of it before it gets there. And so what that will do is work as a whole. And that's how it's going to work. I don't want to help you, but I want to be out here in fact. You know, everybody loves to have this job. I don't know how much, how difficult would that be if we could find out the, I think that's doable. I mean, it would be a drive from the city to the county. I think it would probably have to be for it. It would be, you know, a left turn lane there, and then you would sort of move a left turn lane in both directions. That's the same with, you know, if you're driving in the city, you're driving in the county. The 6400 block with the inset up to 8. Just move folks on the screen without moving your headways. That does impact 20 tall street stalls. So it makes it a pretty high acquisition cost for right of way. And we're not recommending this. We don't need it for development. The 6300 block. And to a maximum build out of the on-street parking, it would build a lot of on-street parking spots, but take away a lot of off-street spots for the change in the area. And zero theory is also an option, but this actually is still possible with flats. It could be an additional or an avoidable or having an additional impact to the properties. So a second or a third question. from the position of food and parking or we can develop a different format of that. But I've kind of looked through everything and come back. Let me get to the last discussion. It is housing. As I mentioned earlier, all of the spaces in the county's current income participation policy, they are criticizing that as being a do-it-yourself thing in 2027. It kind of puts me in chains. This is the information that we have. And to me, the overall total project cost is probably not fluctuating too much. It's just the slope between city and county. And we've heard other answers from our candidates. Currently, the estimate is about $35 million for the entire project. The city's share of that is about $11.4 million. The estimate from $10 million higher than the estimate that the county held from the 2025 CIDP that did not include any city utilities. Our 2027 CIDP estimated about $12.8 million we did include city utilities. We assumed the full of everything. the two other notes here that the county did apply for $10 million in regional solicitation funding those invocations were submitted I believe in the last month that notification typically happens around November about how the project gets selected for that $10 million I don't know if the money is received to do that tonight It's a project that might not be conserved until 2020, but it will result in a substantial cost savings for both the city and the community. The other cost aspect is $750,000 budgeted for overcrowding the existing cell lines along that. That is eligible for a county, a person, county cost share through a county grant program. The fee or fee. This is a little long. When you say you've been caring for residents, you're concerned even more this much overcrowding as residents. What is the support for that? The only thing that's not reflected here is our staff time. For the city staff that works on this project, we're asking about $350,000 for the entire project through design and construction. That's the staff time. So that's a cost that the city has to pay. I'm sorry, but my assumptions are like, does this include the roundabouts that we saw? Does this include the parking lot? Or what? Well, yeah, I'm sorry. The next slide I've added is that this does not include, I've left this line out here, that this slide doesn't include. So this does not include if the city wants to add a mechanic to, like, to fix the next street, that roundabouts that all three roundabouts have, the following days. The transportation commissioner also recommended, in addition to those crossing lights, they also recommended adding taped crosswalks for a long time, similar to what was perfectly clear. I don't know if it was neat, but both time it was. And if you're on the sidewalk and this is like a van, you don't have to go down the street level. You're closer to that. Plus, it's turning traffic down as they have to go over a small road. also said include those pedestrian meetings at like the left turn based on the linear intersections that will be about $750,000 total addition to the project so it's roughly two-thirds one-third and it just made it to the turkey north of 66th street A couple of other items. There is the option to potentially connect a bikeway to the south from 75th Street to 76th Street. And you need to use the city's bike route to have a full bike route lane to your length of the city. This is an opportunity to have that gap or numerous gaps in that area need to be filled at some point for that to fruition. It's a high piece. It's going to cost about $200,000 for the set up. Well, it's income. And they just sort of make it into large-scale regulators. That's, you know, so you build the boundary. And then the other two items that are not accounted for, we don't have to investigate because there's more discussion going to be required, but we'll get to that soon, are fall-abart trees. And it's important to note that there's huge gaping zone. Anything beyond those trees, perhaps, is also read forward for everyone, particularly value engineering items, to consider. So now we're now recommending that but are we going to do that if there are opportunities to do that? Well, you could be able to try out testing scale lighting on the projects that's in our city practice. We're planning to do that again. If that did not happen, it would save the project about $400,000. If the council are to give you a share of these paths instead of the one where we cycle track, The whole length of the project is about $1,000,000 cheaper than 1.5 and 6 from the city. As we mentioned earlier, the city and 75th Street would be about $500,000 cheaper than what we're proud about. And then the activated crossing lights at 64th and 62nd Street, they aren't required. Like we said, we recommend that they be installed based on the context, but didn't save $240,000. That is all of my presentation items. I will serve them for, I guess, as we go back to the big way, or back from there, if that works. So our budget for CIT had a estimated $12.8 million. Currently, it is $11.4 million, plus the $337.7 million. And all of these additional items were added. I think we should go forward with this. I think we should go forward with this. I think we should go forward with this. I think we should go forward with this. I think we should go forward with this. So the one-way cycle track is safer for both of us. And we get a dual share. And for a two-way cycle track, it's more convenient. And it's a good thing. We're not going to have to back up. We're not going to have to go to the board house. And it's safe for both of us. So that's it. The e-bike situation that we're still starting to adapt to is probably safer. What are the major intersections of 64th, 69th, and 75th? I don't know. So 64th is the two options available. But if we're trying to signal, there are some caveats to potentially pursuing a roundabout in 62 with property access is up here. Thanks. And then you talked about the feedback. Well, I don't know if it's possible for you to answer your question about the fire department access or whatever. Preparing, maybe if there is any kind of a comparison, which there probably isn't. Is the kind of location easier than, you know, in Portland? Or is it, I mean, what do you see as far as, like, laws and drugs go out? You know, I mean. Yeah, due to the call, you might be interested. Should I say it's fairly close or even, so that's a good call. What I might make of that is one of the problems kind of had to grow. It did change. We'll get off of stage one here. Just because there's a steady stream trickle of traveling versus the natural breeze. The roads were being so close to the road. Right. I'm not aware of any other fire stations that live around the block. So we're going to be at their exit. So we're going to be in person for that. Will there be a way to expand or absent? I believe, and I know our initial conversations were going back many months to accommodate as best as we could. One of the things that we do have going for us are trucks that leave out of the northern Wall of Pay. But it's equal exit driveways. So that truck can kind of swerve to the south to assist with making that turn. And then they also need some investments to the side of it for that. So you would want some of what we were discussing, that it's kind of slowly going to be I think that would be beneficial, but not a rough one. Thanks, Mark. I think it was a good point to speak on that. I think it was a good point to speak on that. I think it was a good point to speak on that. I think it was a good point to speak on that. We very much appreciate out-to-coms and controlled intersections, but we're all fortunate that this is different. So I'll defer to the transportation experts on the big wing. We try to avoid any sort of big thing that we can follow right away with our autofoam. Other countries do. Some of us are out of those. That's not a standard in the United States. But I don't think that's a problem. Like I said, we don't know what that will look like yet. It's actually a simple 40 message that flashes. It's easy to see how to finish the back of the canal you need screened in detection as well. But I don't know what it's going to be. We're going to interrogate the movie responsible for that. We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be in charge here over the next session. Thank you. Is this going to be all the way over? We're going to have to make sure that we're going to be Well, that is not a first case at all. We don't want that to happen. We want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. We don't want that to happen. OK, so if you guys are going to come up here, I'm going to move this. So we're not going to do that. It's a little bit better if I move this. right now you know we've done that in facilities to the And then, as we knew, we felt that we have some over-maintenance that we need to do on our buildings. And so we went out and worked through a bunch of details to get a lot of folks on the planet. It's going to be a little virtual city hall and the fire station. You know, that's totally about $10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. And there's still roll work on projects up there. We have been trying to stay at about $4.1 million in level 10 service. So it's been rolled off. We've reached out to more projects, but we've just not been able to do that since then. And now with this different maintenance ability, we have more funding that is going to be sort out. And we're still applying all of the effective strategies. We're really well part of the years of keeping money. But there's still an existing roadwork that needs to get done. So we're looking at 10 years. And so having that, that's about four quarter order. And it gets up to six, six and a quarter. So you throw in $2 million from the debt levy, if you split that into perspective, if you compare that to, like, 20, 30 budget, four deficit budget, you start to think about, well, that's about 5%. So that's without any of the operating income increases. So I just wanted to give you a, and we're working on this. We've got some great financial news. We're working with dollars. We're trying to. I don't know, but there are some things I don't know about. So the impact of this, though, is that you already filled in the 12.8 here. So you're suggesting that you should trim something off, or are you just being aware of the broader list of KFIs that you looked at? And I think some should forget about lower amount. And we did not have the base that we're going to have to use. And while we're recommending that you use a ketchup, we're concerned about your food and drink. It's on the list of water intrusion. So that has to get done. So what is the figure if it's not 12.8? So I can see. So what if I do not ask capital? I'm telling you, if I win $5,000, that's how many times I make it. 6.3 for a road line of $15,000. I'm not going to say money. So I'm going to go first right now. Thank you. So that's a split. 6.3 for a road line, 6.5 for utilities. So that's what we're going to do. So the roadway is starting to be about $1,000,000 over what we had anticipated. It could be approximately $1,000,000 in tenant fee. On the water, it's going to be about $2,000,000 to half $1,000,000 in local fee. And then we saw the potential of the laboratory program to get a grant program for Arrakis, which I think is up to $500,000. And the timeline for this. Right now we're looking at 2028 and 2029 is your next solicitation. If it does a first solicitation like Matt mentioned, that would potentially push it back one year. So it would be 2029 and 2030. So I'm still trying to get back to the New York University context where we're talking about roundabouts. So before you started making decisions and giving staff guidance on the project, because you presented and updated, what do you tell me is your plan that holds you for 10 years, some of these challenges that we have with the capital budget? What is your plan if you're going kind of where we're at? But it's simply enough to get it for a steeper price. But it's not so stupid, right? It's not. It's an hour and a half. And it's just to keep in the back of your mind that with these, we've got some storage that's getting the capital effect. That's right. I think that's what it's supposed to be. But we'll see what happens after that. And it is what it is. So it's a credit program, too, based on the timeline that we're hoping to get. Yes, we're going to be in August, we'll present the new document that you are going to get. Do you need Medicaid at the moment, like you said? No, we accept their changes. We, those are new areas, so it's going to be in October. There are still opportunities. There's a public hearing tonight. It's going to be a great discussion. Thank you. Thank you. It makes sense. We don't want to get too crowded. We want to make sure that when we're facing each other out, we don't have any issues. It's for all three intersections. And then for all three intersections, similarly, as I mentioned before, 70, 50, 60, 40, 50, 50, 50 lights split between the city and county. We've had some things that we've made a failure to do in this intersection as well. So I'm going to show you right now what that means. I will use that tool that you put up here, given what we did at the end of that morning, that experience of success in the 73rd, and now we're saying that the roundabout is ending. Well, I agree that it should be standard for all the new roundabouts in this town. That too revolves across the second-rate roundabout, and this is a super-winded area, or a super-rogeral local population that provides support. So I would be inclined to go ahead and dislocation and just do the roundabout. And also, the more we do that, the more it becomes an expectation. And I mean, it's a situation where every party needs to have one of these in place of the mandate in place of the state. Cool. I totally agree with you, too. Yeah. Just to add to that point about schools and the school reception. If I'm escaping into, say, the Caribbean concession, it's going to go on and on, and that becomes a frustration. I don't know if that information is in the FAFSA report, either. I don't know if that's part of a project. I don't know what to say about those. I mean, most of the money that's used hasn't driven the country. I mean, it gets tough to control. You're going to lose a lot of people. And I didn't know if I've seen a very friendly device that's also televised at home. There's a reason why it's there. And so I can imagine people working through this thing from a future standpoint. And all their confidence is improved. That would be my concern about having a place where it's already not that far to bring people to our festival. I mean, right now, you have this round effect of, like, if you're trying to test a green light, you're really getting kind of towards it. There's no touching around about it. And there's still significant more traffic on the plate. You know, the 6th and 9th is pretty busy for neighborhood street. I think, in most cases, the 6th and 9th is going to be stopping you from kind of moving forward. I'm still second, rather than other close friends. It's going to be a pretty fast one. Because this is already done by the assumption. So I understand that the cost savings will be nice. But I'm not sure where I was going to be for that. I think they won't be surprised if there is one there. I think they also have a price that they have for it also. So it's not only for the state streets intersecting, about bus traffic on the road. So you have to associate that different from something for an event club, which is also a busy area. It's press free. Like, there's nothing to do with an event location. In this case, we're going to be referring to the same street at both the same time. And I guarantee that if there's this many issues, I think it will be much better than it is today. We are going to do our best for the whole of I-29. Yeah, exactly. The other thing I mentioned is that the mix of having a flashing light, not having a flashing light at the start bus, it's kind of turned into the, for the single and compact ones, it's kind of sort of worse. Also, you can see in the mail, there is a flashing light at 67th Street, at 78th Street, and there's not one at 68th Street. So I don't know that there's ever been any concerns about trying to cross that 68 street where there is a flashing light. We actually don't really get any views in any of those roads. So I'm not saying we need to cross that street. But we'll still have to raise some possible barriers. Or it's not a problem. It's the routing that's going on here. or wider intersections. Or do we have any consensus on our reviews as you see them throughout the program? I don't think we have consensus. I just remember three people said they don't need them. One person said they would like them to be under . So I would say because of that area, I'm saying that What's the question? What's the other answer? I would recommend. I think it's divided into four or five references. It's possible to hold out to see how long things turn out to be. That's a possibility. If it changes to 69th, reduce to 84. That's a possibility there. And I think that that might make sense if we had a cafeteria if we need to. It could be something to be ready for when we have the realistic method. We should know that the design of our theater is going to be prior to being done. It's going to be a little more functionary, by the way. The theater needs to be more sustainable. It's very easy to preserve. The theater will come through. And we'll do what we can to use it. And I thought we would look at that. So it's like, this is what a school means. And it's very different. Each year, it's two. So that means you just have a school right next to it. But it's not usually something you're going to show up to. So this is a little bit different. Well, my class, though, we didn't include the French lands in the second series. We got a crosshead at the library. So I was thinking, what if I had some more library crosshead plans on the 13th? That would be great. Christian, I was thinking somewhere I was just going to say what I think could be a good way for me. And so there's not really one institution in this area right now where that could change since they ended up . And I just wanted to point out that CCNA's training as a collector, since they're helicopter traffic, there's anticipated . It's maybe a little bit better than the one in the Great Lakes. the idea of that, hey, it's not a big thing, but it's only a touch of space for you to be a collector. It's very, very small over there in the city, and it might be a space, but it's not that big of a thing. So at this point, we're going to just buy some beacons, buy beacons, and examine everything, so stay at this one. And get ready to fire. Right. So looking at the clock, I would say we've got, like, 7 o'clock about working and 7 o'clock to talk about minor intersections. That sounds good. We might have to start working on the minor intersections. Well, it would be easier, well, you know, the conversation would be easier. I am supportive of the resolution. The commissioner recommended that. I am concerned about the set of recommendations that cut down two of them in the businesses where the 65th and the 68th. I do think we've heard a lot of them from businesses in the area and advocates from the area and across the industry. It's kind of involved in that. And I think they can make a decision. here, it is very welcome. Given that we're not going to have a roundabout, we're still going to bring in those locations. I'm really excited about your recommendation 6 to 7, but I do think maintaining the full access median with your new job is 16 minutes to 7 minutes before 15. Well, I know it's not perfect, but it's something that happens. You're going to cross. You're going to have to go up. And like, anyway, there's potentially not even space to pass through. You're going to have to cross up in a very weird way. Yeah. So I don't know. I said it was a seven. Was it a one? It was a one. Oh, 63rd. Yeah, 63rd. Your option is to break the self all way in. I don't like to use this stroke here. I have 68. I don't have 68. You said 780. How was that? What break was the term? 14? I don't know. Better for us to just have the ones that's up to the first. So yeah, I would think 60-30, then 70-and-a-half would have the means of all that. You could just come with a staff recommendation on those two. I don't know enough about 60-eighth and 60-fifth, and this is 60-and-a-half. But I think 70-and-a-half and 60-thirty would make sense to me. 60-thirty, like by word, would help. We're talking about that there's, like, one wind beam during the beginning of the crossing. It sounds like it's just a question of how we're going to see it in one of the years then. Well, that's true. I'm pretty sure that the left turn line is going to be sold, but we haven't seen this yet. I'm sorry, but the left turn line at 63rd and 50. 63rd or 60th? 60th. I think 60th. 60th. It's not that great, but the one that's shown on here right now is 66. And that's the median in terms of what's occurring on it. I'm not sure if that's an issue here. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure. So you'd like to repeat 65? So I think our term leads are really off-fader. But when you're crossing the street, do you feel OK just actually in the middle of a small roadway? Or is it better to have computers? Because I think they're important, like a space. So are you going to try to get them to stop at a question of a wide open state when there's nothing to stop at in the middle of a roadway or having a digital space? Yeah, exactly. And so we have a lot of uses, uses, uses. And then we kind of, again, we've like far-fetched this thing to do it myself. And it's forever. There aren't so many big hands. And you just have to do it with a little ground. So we're talking about what is most significant, like a whole lot of media is a really important, a lot of business access, which might not be necessary in the case of a roadway safety, but this is just really about where our hands are, who's going to have to stop, who's going to have to figure out how to do it. Yeah, so I'll be with the media office at 6 to 5, but not especially at 6 to 10. So you're going to cross your room to 1 through 8, so then we're going, I don't think, 6 to 6. 6 to 6. 6 to 3, are you OK with your recommendation of just the small media office on the side of the building and the other side open? Yes. Like, she's sales. Is that kind of right about where you're at? It's right in the corner. So you're president. Yeah, I'm here in this place. And you've got the apartment. Yes, yes. You know, our president is talking over CBS. I mean, I know he cares very, very perfectly. And then they put him in the corner. I'm like, I didn't think about the hysteria. But it would have been pretty natural to cross here and then kind of go diagonally from the parking lot. So I think maybe not seeing this important discussion with the whole family is as much as possible. yeah it makes sense it's the 65th month so we've said at the 70th and a half the 63rd government staff recommendation the 65th government consultation committees mentioned this recommendation what about the 68th do you have a picture of that one I'm ready to go back to the gas station So a lot of times, we don't know if we don't do the B. If you didn't say it's right, or if you don't do the B, then you can go back and do the B. And if you don't do the B, then you can do the B. You know, you can do a little better to that, but there's very high risk for all of those situations. Thank you. This is John. I was just going to ask for a comment. I know you have solutions, but which one would that be? I mean, you know, there's a lot of problems there. What are the differences? This is a message from us from the cyber. I mean, what would happen if you wanted to do it in one place? So that's what we're trying to do. So we've got to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to make sure that we're doing the right things just to But we're running out of time. But I think that we're going to do something that we talked about last year. So I'm just asking you, what do you mean for the binary potential to be for 1 minus 3? So I can do this in a math of 63. The Senate recommendation would be the 68th, and the Senate recommendation, as well, would be the median. Yeah, well, we just said you think this was not even a median. And then 65th Street would be the median. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Well, I think it's the only discussion conference that's going to happen. It's one of these lunches or lunches. Should we start in the part of the South 66th Street? Is that what it's meant to be? There's these doors. I agree with this recommendation, but if you're setting the same work party, I don't think this is going to work. I think it would be great if you, but we're disagreeing with it. The only one in front of us, you're going to get a little bit from the north here at home. So I'm going to say, with all this parking, this is your best spot. So you have a little less play out there, but we're going to do it. I don't know if this is a good recommendation, but I think So now, how's this? I will say, I mean, by me thinking, I don't ask for part-time, I think, but my kids have 64-word block. to get a blackout since it's too expensive. On the theme of the blackout, please do take important considerations, especially on the north end, by the apartment building. Apartments are just so cheap compared to all the other apartment spots we were talking about. And an apartment has been, well, like I said, this is showing on the faces of all apartments earlier on, has been a lot of concern because of the apartment usage by the apartment building. And if we could cheaply add, So that's why we're in front of it. And we've been sure that if anything's consistent, we will try it out again for a long time, according to city plans. And the rest is at the meeting at the end of our president's additional parking. Yeah, that's true. That's awesome. Like, there's a PCC over there, too, at that parking lot, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, so we have parking lots going out. I would agree that we don't need to know the 6th and 3rd and the 6th and 4th blocks because it's going to be counterproductive. Starting impacting these ones right now doesn't make sense. But I'm wondering, circle part is where the bus rapid transit would be. Normally, I've got a full length, but the same as I can jump in on this. So you could do that super deep north of that. Yes, right. So realistically, temporarily, you could pull 3.8 north of wherever, but that's not possible. That's not possible, but you could fill that with a station in the future as well. Anything up there? In this world, even though it isn't affordable, I have a problem that I'm stuck by right now with uncertainty if I'm going to be able to do the best job. So it's kind of demonic. It seems like that doesn't exactly exist for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably going to just have to arise in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in a few weeks. Yeah, it's probably going to be in Well, what you're trying to say is that it's going to fall in all the right positions. OK. Well, that's enough bills to fill in there. So we've got to bust it up so that we can get to the part where it's going to be able to get out of the way. Yeah, that's the part I want. Yeah. So, Garth, that would be a lot better. So you're saying that if you were to do it in the State Department, but they wanted to put us through this policy, instead of putting us through the whole process? Yeah. OK. So I'm not really getting into the Department of Commerce or something, but who's the party that's going to be in these measures in this city? So we've done all this, and we're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. So we're OK with that. We're just like, no, that's it. Yes. So I have a small question. Is the 2400 bill, I mean, I see that it's much more expensive. It would be nice to, if you can, to minimize the cost at work. I realize I'm 6400. You're going to park this car right on the intersection of Green and Small. But I see the rest of the parking is underneath. I'm going to have to get it clear off. About half the parking will be for the building. So if that looks very lucky, the parking will be in any of it. What is the greatest thing you can do in 20 Up Street? Food. And it's expensive. And again, it's just for the purpose that we already ate. And with an F, it's 12.5. That's correct. What do you call the loss versus gains? Like, in money class, do you think that's really important? Like, how much do you think it costs to sink a little bit? Yes, well, they're not really in response today. Like, they're not, I mean, I mean, we're bold. They're going to rely on the sidewalks. There's just a lot of questions about how useful the current response are, even though they are strange. But I just think it's very different. I guess if you can start joining them, we're working pretty fine. But I think what they do is ask the question of, where are we going to get a future bus stop at? And we're there. But I think we're going to have money out there. So we're going to have to do more. I could agree with that. The whole system has been clogged. I don't know if that really was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know if that was in the budget. I don't know. I was thinking about it before I see this game, too. I want to see what the alternative is with space. I feel like we should suppose we're talking about now. I just think we need to sort of look right at, really, So that's the three blocks, right? 60 dirt is on the right. The other 60, 60 is on the left. And so there's the two blocks that they're talking about, that quick curve, long dirt. Those are the three blocks that fade in that green space. So that's all the spots. 20 spots in the moving options. But I'm just curious, what are we gaining in these spots? Because I know you said 15 could fit on the 6500 block, but is that what we're actually talking about? No. Well, you can use it to add the boulders, feedback, and a screen within. It sounds like we do a bunch of things. I'm not sure if that's possible on our site. You can report me. So, do you guys have any more questions? So, to confirm what I'm hearing, 6700 class, 6600 block, 6500 block, the block is one-two parking. It's possible on the street. Do you want to repeat that? 6400 block, 6300 block. Minor intersections, meetings, and so on. So, the first is 6700. No meetings, ads. the last 63 or 68 days. On the left turn, days with the E and some with 68. And that's all three intersections that were discussed when I pulled my cycle track from the E to the following discipline. We're holding that up. All right. I'm going to go ahead and read some of the questions. We didn't get a chance to talk about this, but we're going to actually resume some of the comments that you sent us through the board. We're expressing this. We're expressing thank you. I know that you're expressing your support. We've been doing it on a regular basis. But every time you brought in, like I would say, it's almost like a 66-year-old. You should be ready to go home and do this whole day. And it was a pleasure to speak with you. I think it's really important. Well, to make my connection to 762, when I was thinking about 762, Dennis is just an enormous enterprise. And for us, Dennis, we couldn't do it. We couldn't handle it. We're on a path to lightning. So there's 762. Well, also, there is an existing leader. There is an attorney on the planet, but it's not even relevant to 762. Yeah. So should I turn to the left? I'd like to make that a point. Yeah, lightning. And then? But I will also say, from what you were saying previously, that our particular style of mixture, which I think usually it's about some large chamber, but still, as I said, lighting mixtures, they don't really are what we need to buy from us. And we stand adjourned. This is one of the most amazing things that we're able to do in the U.S. is to be able to connect with people from all over the world.