Library Commission - Regular Meeting

25. Can I have a roll call?

Yes. Commissioner Gold?

Here.

Commissioner Lawrence? Here. Commissioner Melendez?

Here.

Commissioner O'Brien Herrera? Here. Commissioner Pizzelli? Here. Commissioner Tanner?

Here.

And Chairperson Christian Kelly? Here. Okay. You have a quorum.

Okay. I ask all the commission, let's salute to the flag. Now we're going to approve order of agenda.

I have a comment, mister. Yes. Agenda is missing the minutes of our last meeting.

That's because the minutes aren't available.

Can we make sure that the minutes go approved in our next meeting?

Well, I've asked the city clerk to assign a secretary to it. When they assign a secretary, we'll get them. But, you know, there is no secretary yet

for I'm not trying to argue here. All I'm saying is this this particular agenda lacks the minutes of the last meeting of this commission.

You're correct.

It's an important meeting because we had elections. The chairperson was elected. So if we can't get it in this one, just make sure that we get the minutes in our next meeting so we can approve them. Because without approving the minutes, nothing becomes official. Right?

Right.

Thank you. Oh, by the way, instead of having a secretary, I actually watched our meeting, which unfortunately I couldn't make it because of a previously arranged business travel, on YouTube, and YouTube basically captions it. So it's a relatively simple job to get it transcribed. Just a suggestion.

Who's gonna do it? I'm I will make sure the city clerk knows that you think it's very important that we have minutes. I will definitely make sure.

Thank you.

So a motion to approve the order of the agenda?

A motion to approve the order. Is there a motion to approve the order of agenda as is?

I move.

Tanner, a second? I second. All right. Pitzer? Oh wait. O'Brien. So sorry I'm trying to get this right. I apologize. O'Brien. Any opposed?

You

can vote on it now. Did you ask if there were any in favor?

Yeah, if there's any in All

those in favor say aye.

Those favor

say aye. Sorry. Okay, the motion carries. All right. Now we're going to E, correct? That

Blue photo items? Yeah. Okay, there are no blue photo items. You can go Okay. To the consent calendar.

Was anything that was supposed to be removed?

Well, that's what happens now.

Okay, that's

fine. So the consent calendar is the affidavit of posting the John Parsons Public Art Fund report and to receive and file the draft of the conflict of interest. You can either entertain a motion now to accept the consent calendar as is, or if any member of the public or the commission wants to pull an item, they can pull it at this point and then it will be discussed at a later time. So does anyone want to make a motion to approve the consent calendar as is?

Can I approve?

Sure. I mean, you can make that motion, yes.

Or make that motion, yeah.

So I make a motion to Did everyone understand what I said? Because if there is an item there that you want to discuss, you need to pull it. If you read it already and everything's fine and want to move on with the meeting, nothing needs to be pulled and we just approve it as is. But I want to make sure that you understand those items will not be discussed unless somebody pulls it.

Is everybody getting

that? So then we can just

Okay, so you made a motion. Does anybody second it?

Second.

Is that, commissioner Pizzelli?

Yes. Okay. Motion carries.

But you didn't you did do a vote. What You you wanna vote on it?

Oh, yes. So sorry. So all in, all in favor?

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Now I can see a motion. Motion carries.

Okay. So there are no excluded consent calendar items. So you can move on to public participation at this point on non agenda items. So have we received any? Yes.

I We have a public comment

Shouldn't from I read that, though, first? Sure. Go ahead. This section is intended to provide members of the public with the opportunity to comment on any subject that does not appear on this agenda for action. This section is limited to thirty minutes. Each speaker will be afforded three minutes to address the commission. Each speaker will be permitted to speak only once written requests, if any, will be considered first under this section.

We have one. I have Rick McQuillan. Yes, the microphone up to the front there, Rick.

You'll be given thirty minutes.

Hello. I'm Rick McQuillan. I live in Manhattan Beach, and I love all the South Bay. I'm very involved with Redondo and Artesia Boulevard, and I'd like to speak about your public art project for Artesia. Some NRBBA members, including myself, Sandy Anley, who's also in the audience, are just starting a process of creating a bid, which is a business improvement district for Artesia.

The Riviera Village bid has done well, and we'll also have success on our unique, wonderful span of Artesia. First, there are a lot of vacancies, so we're working on a commerce strategy to find the ideal mix of businesses for our residents and visitors. We're currently favoring creative businesses, including style, personal style, home style and lifestyle and creative arts. Then we'll attract these businesses with focused outreach and incentives. And I can tell you, we will be promoting your project.

Once we have great businesses, we'll have some social tech to set up and run events like ShopRound Artesia and pop up days, and to guide and assist residents and visitors to have fun, useful visits to the boulevard. You can see a rough early prototype of our dynamic street map at a site called cartesia.com. It's very rough and early. Now, I've read your RFQ, and it's very inspiring. I love your goal of creating a national model.

Now, that may be a stretch, as you know, and I hope it can be achieved. And I believe that working together with our mutual goal of elevating the boulevard and the community, we can really boost the prospect of national recognition. I think it works like this: As the core foundational element, your works will beautify Artesia. At the same time, we get great businesses that resonate with our beauty. And finally, we integrate the businesses with residents' lifestyles, extending the creativity and joy of Artesia into their homes and lives while attracting visitors to our uniquely beautiful destination.

So I'd like to leave you with one more thought. I always recall a quote attributed to Pablo Picasso. Maybe he said it, maybe he didn't. The quote is, When art critics get together, they talk about form and structure and meaning. When artists get together, they talk about where you can buy cheap turpentine.

I don't

know if you've heard that one before, but it inspires me because it tells me to always keep art intimate. I believe if we do that, we can create a national model for public art blended with commerce that brings joy to our community. Let's make it happen. So that's all for now. Please contact me anytime with questions and support at rickmcqcorp dot com. Thank you. And may I give each of you my card?

Yes, please. Thank

you. And also, your project described the RFQ describes the need for a database. And we're working on the database. It's going to be a living database because we're going to use it for commerce.

Take mine. Take mine.

Thank you. We may be able to have some overlap with the database that you need. And I'd be happy to talk with whoever you get from the project on that.

Madam Chair, would it be Okay to ask questions?

It's just Yeah, not during this section of the meeting. Okay.

Ask him just to repeat something for me. Okay. If you wouldn't mind, please repeat the website. You said seek?

It's cartesia.com. It's on the card I gave you. It's very early. It's going to improve greatly over this year.

Thank you. Thank Thank you. You.

Are there any other

comments from the audience? Any other comments? Any other comments?

Do I get a clock? I forgot. You have three minutes. Okay. Hey, my name is Arthur Dubinsky. I've grown up here my whole life. I went to Jefferson Elementary School, Paris Middle School, Redondo High. My parents went to Arle Guadalupe, which is on the border of Hermosa and Redondo. And they went Bishop Montgomery. I've lived here for so long.

Redondo is like one of the best cities ever. So I love the idea that we're gonna focus towards the arts. I'm actually a fine artist and I've actually been told to come here by Georgette who's, I guess, running for mayor now. And she says, Come to the art commission. And I heard that you're trying to beautify the Artesia strip, which is great.

Know, the last speaker had a great little montage about that. There's so much stuff I have infinite ideas. Know, I grew up in the arts, so I know all the turn of the century artists, Gustaf Klimf, Alfonse Mucha, Gauguin, Renoir, and Chogal. And the idea that just a mural or a fine art painting is going to deliver visitors is a little underwhelming. I think you need to build, you know how we kind of have the Redondo sign which was great even though you built a fountain that you couldn't use because you built it under power lines.

That was not the best, but the idea of an arch, I think is a great idea. I think if you had a giant mortar, you know, like a brick arch that had Redondo over it, either in Artesia or the places in Redondo would be something monumental. You know, if you had something like, you know, I have renderings of all kinds of things like that. But I think that you could do something immense if you I just visited Barcelona and they have an immense arch and literally millions of tourists come each year to see it. You know, just to have that all you know, if you're trying to compete with Santa Monica and Venice, that would be something and it's not it wouldn't be that difficult to conceive of a construction of just a brick arch, right?

So that might be something to consider. And, yeah, I have renderings of I have my own draft of arches and everything, but just the idea of pondering it is also a great idea. So that's all I have to say about it. So thanks for listening to me. If you want to get in contact with me, it's just my full name, it's arctodobinskygmail dot com, and I'll be selling art in Redondo down at the Esplanade. So if you wanna see me, I'm usually there on Saturday and Sunday. I actually have a street vending permit, so you could see me down there. But it's quite nice to meet you all.

Thank you. Yeah.

You're welcome.

Can you

spell your name?

You wanna

fill out one

of forms here for us?

You spell his name? Can

spell your name, please?

It's the English spelling of Arthur. So it's A R T H U R, and then it's the Ukrainian last name, D U B I N S K Y. It's just at gmail dot com.

Thank you.

Thanks, guys. I should have brought my business cards. This guy

is more professional than me.

You.

Georgia Gander, District 2. This is what it's all about. Everything. Everything. Everything. I'm so excited. The fact that you guys hired the consultants is exciting. And they've been yeah, they've been hired. I wish maybe it's I'm going maybe I shouldn't say as many. Anyway, they should attend these meetings because if they need to advise you, I think that it won't just be in Artesia, it's probably going to grow to other areas. So I think they need to attend the meetings and get a feel for it. And one of their representatives, I think it's a team, need to come every week. Anyway, yes, am running for mayor. Thank you, Arthur. I met Arthur on the Esplanade and his work is beautiful.

He can drop people and floral, know, flowers, flora, fauna. Incredible. It's so exciting that Mr. McQuillan is and the North Redonna Beach Business Association is working on kind of a grassroots level. If I don't make mayor, I'm going go work with him. It's so exciting. I can't wait to see what Artesia can become and Redondo can become. There is such a thing as good development. We don't have to be dense and go crazy. There's such a thing of doing a good thing and Art should lead and that would be my mantra as mayor.

Anyway, good job. I'm glad to see all seven people attend with new people. Thank you. Are there any other comments from the audience? Nope? Anybody nobody online or Okay.

We're going to am I going to J1 now? Okey doke. All right. Discussion and possible action regarding the utility box art wrap program.

And can you project my screen now? Sure. Good evening, commissioners. So the utility box design is an ongoing project. And today, we're going to try to do two things.

One is to select five new designs from the 20 that you've submitted from the new batch that were part of our last RFQ and then decide if you want to determine the locations for them today or if you want to the recommendation that staff is making is that you form a committee that would discuss that and then come back with recommendations for you to approve or amend regarding the locations of the designs. I will go through and then when I get to the end of the presentation, I have a suggestion for a process that you could use to make the selections. It's not something that you have to use, but it might make things a little bit easier. So first of all, I want to start with the scoring criteria. So this is the criteria that was adopted way back when the program was first begun.

And the criteria is that the installed wrap will enliven the area and transform the street. The design is family friendly and suitable for viewing by all ages. The design passes the moving car test, and that is that it's simple, bold colors, and no text. The design passes the won't overheat the utility box test, which is limited use of dark colors. The design does not defame or invade the rights of any person living or dead.

And the design showcases one or more of Redondo Beach's cultural diversity, historic heritage, or popular activities. So now we'll go through the 20 designs that you submitted. I have two slides for each design. One is the actual design and then the second slide is the artist statement. I'm not going to go and actually read every artist statement unless you want me to.

I'm just going to go through the designs. So this is the first design. The title is People on Beach with Seagulls. If And I'm going too fast, you can ask me to slow down. You all have a composite two pages of all of the designs so it will be easy for you to refer to them when we start discussing them.

Number two is bird abstract with trees. Number three is carnation Gardens. Number four is Redondo Beach Pier. Number five is florals. Six is entanglement.

Now what I did here was on the bottom left side you see what it would look like if the artist had done what we asked them to do and submitted according to the required template. So some of you submitted designs where the artist didn't follow our instructions. So I went ahead and sort of imposed the template on them. And we would have to if this one, for example, was selected, we would have to go back to the artist and just make sure that this was one that they intended to be designed for a utility box and not an example of some previous artwork. Sometimes it was clear, sometimes it wasn't clear.

Whimsical wheels. Light Speed, Rubies into Gold, The whimsical wave. You know another reason why it's important to see it as a template is because sometimes you want you know, like each of the sides you want to make sure that each side is an image that makes sense in and of itself because as you're walking by or as you're driving by, you're not going to see all five sides. So you want to make sure that each side could stand alone. Picnic, number 11.

Waves, number 12. So for this one, the artist submitted all five individual sides as we asked them to do, but they didn't submit the one with them all put together. So I actually did this for the artist. And once again, you can either ignore that or you can hold it against them. It's up to you to decide what you want to do.

But just so you know, this composite that you see I put together. Thank you. Number 13 is clouds. 14 is Crystal Cove. 15 is Blooming Flower.

Is Island Girl. And the reason I put the top all the way to the right was because I thought you would want to see most of her head. If I'd put it anywhere else, you wouldn't have got the head. 17 is field view. 18 is Floral Peace.

19 is Wildlife of California. 20 And is girl driving a sports car in Redondo Beach. Okay. So there are all 20 of them. And then here's my suggestion for how to proceed.

Yourself. So first, we should go through them again and determine eligibility. So what I mean by that is we'll go through one by one and you'll look at your criteria. So each of you have a criteria page. It's kind of blue and light blue. You got that? And so someone might say, Oh, this one has text on it, so we shouldn't use it. Or, This one is too dark, so we shouldn't use it. Or, would look at the criteria and say, Because one of our criteria is such and such, this one probably should not be used. And then someone would have to second that motion and you'd have to vote on it.

And then that one could be determined ineligible and you wouldn't consider it as a final possibility. So that would be the first thing, to determine are all 20 of them eligible based on the guidelines. Then rank the ones that are eligible. So on the two pages that you have, pick your your first choice, your second choice, and your third choice. And then I've made a spreadsheet. I can enter all of your one, two's, and three's into the spreadsheet and then we'll average them and then the five designs with the lowest ranks will be the ones that you recommend to counsel. And lowest because one is lower than three, so it's

going to

be a low number. So this is what the spreadsheet will look like if you decide to do it this way. And then the scoring criteria. And now it's up to you to decide what you want to do. You can address your comments to the chair at this point.

I have a question about this. Sure. Some of them have pricing on it. Do we need to be concerned with the prices in terms of our budget?

No. Okay. Thank you. There's another one. Number 19 says Redondo Beach on it. If it ranked really high, could we ask the artist to eliminate that logo? Or do you want the logo? Well,

as we go through them, if you decide to use my process, that could be something that you include in your motion. Like you could say, we'll use this one only if the artist takes out the text. Text or you might decide in that particular instance the text is only two words, it's okay. But yes, basically you have the option to do whatever you want to do.

Would you like us to motion?

Think at this point mean, is there anybody who's opposed to using the process that I'm suggesting? Okay. Then why don't we let me pull up my spreadsheet. Oops. And Madam Chairperson, do you want me to call out the names or would you prefer to do it?

I would like you to call out names.

Okay. So is there anyone who thinks that number one, people on beach with and I just want to get my seagulls, that one should not be eligible. About what am I doing here? Okay. Bird abstract with trees.

Anyone? Okay. Carnation Gardens. Redondo Beach Pier. Number five, florals.

Gary, you have a on a second. Just to be clear, right now we're just making sure if they're eligible.

Yes. Everyone's okay with five?

Yes. 6. No. No.

No. I'm okay with six.

Okay, well, so can make a motion to determine that number six is ineligible and then state the criteria that it doesn't meet. Someone would have to second that motion and then you would have vote on it.

Could I make a motion to make it eligible?

No. It's it's it's eligible until they're they're automatically eligible unless someone makes a motion for it not to be. Alright.

I make a motion for it not to be eligible because they the artist did not follow the directions and Gary had to create it so that we could see it in its entirety.

I just want to argue also that there are other designs on here that are going be like that, too.

And I might do the same.

Okay.

I feel

like it might

be dangerous because of the moving car. It seems like it's busy maybe would be the only thing I would say.

I agree with that. I don't think that it passes the moving car test.

I personally like it. I do too. It's different. You know, it gives a different perspective to Red on the Beach.

I also argue, like, a lot of this I don't want to I'll do my best to not go away about artwork, but, you know, finger painting and watercolor stuff, like, we're we're a growing city, I would just suggest that sometimes taking into account that some of the painting styles that are represented here, they lend themselves to art, but as we progress towards the future, try to maintain a level of professionalism, I guess, would say.

I guess part of the issue I have is that if we don't start saying that some of these are ineligible, we're going to still be here discussing all 20 and we still need to whittle them down to five.

When you do the voting, it'll whittle down. I don't think you have to worry about that.

Okay. And

then my other thought is these we're going to be choosing five for this year and then next year we will choose more, am I correct?

Well you may be doing five more before next year. Mean you may be doing five more at your next meeting.

Okay, thank you.

We have how many? Like, there's boxes. I think we have like 60 or something. It's a crazy amount of boxes.

Well, you have the list of I can't remember.

Well, I'm not going out. I'm just general.

There's a good number that still haven't been wrapped.

Can I make a suggestion? I think that since there's passion with this, I think we should move forward and accept it and move on to one that may be completely all.

Well, does anyone want to second the motion not to make it ineligible? Well, couple people. So why don't we say that Commissioner Gold and Commissioner Lawrence made it and seconded it. So if there's no more discussion, let's vote on it. How many if you think that it should be ineligible, aye.

Aye. Aye.

If you think it's eligible, say nay.

Nay. Nay. Nay.

Okay, think we need to see hands probably. So how many think that should it be eligible? Raise your hand if you think it should be eligible.

Eligible. No,

because you said you wanted

No, I was I thought it was a discussion, not a

definitive Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

Yeah, I thought it was a discussion. So I was thinking that maybe that would be part of the conversation of that it could be busy for the moving car test, but I still think it's a beautiful piece.

So if you feel like it's eligible, you can still put it in the running, and then later on when everybody grades it, then it'll sort itself out then. But to not have it in the running is the argument here.

So if you think it should be eligible, raise your hand. Four. Okay, so it passes. So the next one is

Seven.

Seven. Whimsical Wheels. Everyone okay with that? Eight. Lightspeed.

I have a question about this one. Not saying to make it ineligible, just wondering what your thoughts are if we think this one is too dark or if the red lights might cause issues especially at night with car lights on them.

Can you put that one on the screen again, please?

Looking at that, I just wonder what that would look like, especially in the evening in your rearview mirror.

If anything, my argument to this is like it's going to look like blurry stuff on the side of a I don't really care for this one myself.

I feel like that's like a I comment maybe, on right?

I think it's too dark.

Yeah, or too dark. It would and if the utility box overheats, it stops working. Is that why we don't want it So to maybe if we're on the fence about it being dark, that might be a serious concern. I agree.

All right. So, why don't we just go right to the vote? If you think this one should be eligible, raise your hands. Commissioner Melendez, you were you didn't like it. Right? Oh, but we're talking about eligible. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean

Right. Shouldn't No. Be My fault. My

fault. I feel like they should all be eligible. We're all gonna vote on it anyway. Like, This is

I agree.

Makes it easier for

us. I'm sure. Well,

we're halfway through it, so so why don't we if you think it should be eligible, raise your hand. That's only two. All right. So then that one's going to be out. Number nine, rubies into gold.

Same idea on this one for me.

Think it should be ineligible. Same Same issues as before.

All right. Let's vote on that.

I guess number eight.

Okay. All those who think that number nine should be eligible, raise your hand. That's only three. Okay, Okay, number 10. Any issues there? Number

think this one should be ineligible. Out of all the ones in here, this one no offense to anybody, it's like an iPhone picture or something. Anybody could take this. There's nothing artistic to me in box.

Okay, but you have to apply a criteria. Which of the criteria It makes it

doesn't pass the moving car test.

Okay. Everyone who, if you think that number 13 should be eligible, raise your hand. Eligible. One, two, three, four, five. Okay. So that one stays in. What are we on? 14. 14?

Now we're on 14. Okay.

Any issues there? 15, blooming flower.

This is another one for me that, as far as art is concerned, it just looks like one of those acrylic things where they pour another doesn't pass the moving car test.

If you think number 15 should be eligible, raise your hand. So that one's out.

Which one is out? I'm sorry.

Number 15 is out. Because

there were only three people who were Okay,

I understand. I'm sorry I missed it. What was the criteria? The little No, I understand. Which specific criteria was did you guys voted it out for this one?

He said moving car

tests. Would be car tests. So this one here where it says, you know,

it's I apologize. Which criteria?

The design passes the moving car test. Simple, bold colors, no text. It has to contain it has to be simple, bold colors, no text. That's the moving car test. So if it's complex, then it wouldn't pass the test. If it's

the opposite

of bold

colors is. Know, complex colors, like No.

Look. Lots of text. Explain my reason why I didn't think no. It's no different than the clouds to me. Someone whoever made this splattered some stuff on. It doesn't make any sense. But, I mean, but I understand abstract art. I understand fine art. What I'm saying is this particular image on a box compared to everything else that's on here, even the clouds make more sense.

Commissioner Miletus, we were asking at this part for you to make criteria based judgments. When you do the voting, you'll be making did. Aesthetic

No, based you're You missing the don't get to argue with me. What I'm saying is that particular image, if I was driving by, would be distracting.

That's not what the criteria says. It's the moving car criteria.

No. Just voted.

To fail the moving car test, you'd have to say

I know, Gary

No, I'm going to say this.

You could say whatever you want, but I'm telling you, I get to Yes,

you do.

I'm on the Cultural Arts Commission.

Okay, let's move. So number 15 is out.

Out. Let's go on to the next one.

Number 16, my only issue with this I'm not disagreeing that it's a beautiful piece, I think that it wasn't set up properly for us. Gary, I appreciate what you did by putting the head in the correct spot. I think it might be confusing to people seeing this utility box because it will look like a body without a head when people Exactly. Drive

I agree.

I agree.

Can I ask something about these actually like in regards to that? Like are these basically direct decals or something that's going to be made? Or are we, like, hiring the artist to paint the box

They're based vinyl off wraps. Of

are wrapped

around This like a couple is a vinyl wrap. Okay. That wasn't clear.

They'll put the image on and then but it's a wrap.

Okay. So the head more than likely will not be on the body.

It'll be on the top.

So it would be very confusing to people.

I know it's unfortunate.

Can moving car tests on this one, but I think it's just a confusing piece to wrap a utility box with.

If you think this one should be eligible, raise your hand please. Just one. Okay. So this one's out? 17 FieldView.

Don't get attached to anything. 18,

Floral piece. Okay, now 19. And 20. Okay, so then what I would like you to do next is except for oh I didn't mark some of these. Fifteen and sixteen are out.

Do you want us to go through the ones that

Well, can look at I'll put this it's on the spreadsheet right behind you. So you can mark them off on your sheet. I'll call them out. Okay. So eight is out. Nine is out. 15 is out. And 16 is out. So what I would like you to do now is for the remainder 16 designs, pick your first choice and put a one next to it. Pick your second choice and put a two next to it.

Pick your third choice and put a three next to it. And then in a minute or so I'm going to go through and enter your scores into the spreadsheet. I can't do the spreadsheet. I

know. But here. You

can share this. Georgette?

Are we doing all five? No, I'm doing three.

I would

like to do five.

There's 10 on one and ten on the other.

We're having a hard time with three. Is it possible to do five?

Well, yeah. Yeah, sure. You can. Yes. So is that what you all want to do? Pick five? Okay.

That feels better.

Yeah.

No cheating. Copying each other's papers. Raise your hand if you're done. Okay, you need more time.

So

if I put a one on one of these and nobody else puts anything on them, will that have the lowest score? Yeah. So will that work?

No. Because when you divide it by seven

Okay.

Let

me think about that.

Why don't we go the other way?

Make your first choice five? Yes.

Then it gets five points. Our first choice is number one.

Hold on because he's finding a flaw in my system. All right. So Okay. So I'm sorry. Are you all picking five? Yeah. So make your first choice, give it five points. Your second choice, give it four points, etcetera. Sorry about that.

And this way we don't need to give all five. We can just give one five points and just stop there if you want to. We don't have to. It's five times.

Is anyone still working? Can we start with Commissioner Tanner? Is that all right?

Sure.

So I think what would be easiest for me would be if you just said the number and then your score. Okay. Number 65.

Number 10 Wait.

Wait. Wait. Hold on. Number 65.

Okay. Number 104.

Okay.

73. That's it. Okay.

And for those of you out there, just want to make sure I'm getting it right. Commissioner Pizzelli?

That's Okay. You can. Just want for 3.

175, Okay.

24024.

Okay. 13. You're giving me my exercise. Okay.

Four-two-eleven-one.

Very good. Thank you. Commissioner O'Brien Herrera.

No. Nineteen-five. No. 54.

4 Wait, hold on second. Number 54. Okay.

Number 43.

Number 43.

Number 32. And number 11.

Okay. Commissioner Melendez?

Number 65.

Okay.

Number 74. Number 193. Number ten-two.

Uh-huh.

And number five-one.

Commissioner Lawrence? Number one-five.

Number one-five. Okay. Number twelve-four. And you know what, before you go on, think that instead of doing an average, we should just do a sum, right? Hold on one second, Commissioner Lawrence. I'm sorry. Wait, one second. Oh,

has to fix the formula. And then

Okay. Commissioner Lawrence, number 15, number ten, four

No. Number 124, and then number 10

is 3. Hold on one second. Number 10 is 3. Which one was 4? 12.

Okay. Then number 4 is two

points. Number 4 is 2? Yep. Okay.

And then number 20 is one.

Number 20 is 1. Okay. Commissioner Gold.

Number 145.

Number 145.

Number 74. Okay. 173. Number 42. Number 101.

Thank you.

Thank you. And our Madam Chairperson.

Number 154453 number 102, and number 71.

Okay. So it looks like this is 1. 0, 14 is 1. I could sort them.

But then

we've got two that are 12. And then we have one that's 10, right? No ties? Am I missing something in here? Are those our five?

So we're going say the numbers. We've one

It looks like we've got one, four, six, seven, and ten. And I'll go back through those. We can show them so that our people in the audience can see them. Does that look good to everyone?

Yes.

All right. So 141310. Wait, no. So it's one

You said 141746710.

Okay. Let me go back and just show those to everybody.

1467. Okay.

Got 12. Yeah.

I got 3.

Okay. So there's one. There's 4. There's 6.

Yeah.

There's 7. And there's 10. Thank you very much. Now, why don't you someone should make a motion and vote on that.

Hold on second.

Pardon

me? Me?

Someone could make a motion to recommend number one, four, six, seven, and 10 to city council.

I make a motion to, recommend one, four, six, seven, and 10 to city council for approval for

I second.

Who is the first person to second? Okay.

All in favor? Aye. Motion carries.

Great. All right, then the next thing you need to do is decide if you want to decide today where these are going, specifically which boxes, or if you want to form a committee to come back and make a recommendation.

Can we wait until the city council approves them?

That's up to you. You don't have to do anything else today. In

that they turn one or most of them down, we shouldn't really waste our time right now.

In the past, when they've taken designs to counsel, they've also taken a location. So counsel, they'd say, you know, we want to put this box on this corner or this box on that corner. So you would I

feel like six kind of matters what corner it goes on. That'll look cool on certain corners. I think it matters where they go.

I think so also.

I'd like to figure it out today. This way we can send them the whole thing and hopefully get things moving a little faster so it doesn't have to come back to us in two months and then back to them again.

So I don't have anything to help you make that decision. You have your list of available boxes. It's really up to you now to go through that.

So

in your packet, it would be page

23. Let

me see if I can pull that up. I'd have to open

And, Gary, am I correct that we should pick one per district?

Yes.

Yes. So we need to pick one per district.

Oh, that's a idea. Good Yeah.

Okay. But

then we gotta figure out the district. Like, which roads are where? Oh, it's

Maybe it would be best if we just went design by design and hope that by the time we get to the fifth one that we have one in each district. Do you want to try to do it that way?

Yes.

Okay. So then the first one would be number one. So the boxes that are available, where do you think it would be best to put it?

Number 1, Avenue I in Catalina.

Should I second?

What did

you say?

Didn't hear Avenue I in Catalina. Bundling over one. That's beautiful.

That's is that Council District 1?

Yes, it is.

So I think we can do this informally. Is there anyone who's opposed to that? Mm-mm. No. Okay. Oh, this is going be easier than I thought. So the next one is number four. Okay, so this is probably

So look for District 2.

This is the pier.

The S-four number?

They got a lot of stuff down there. Do want to put

it? So

Gary, if it says two boxes, does that mean that they're going to double it or we have to pick another design for the second box?

Normally we would pick a second design.

Catalina and Diamond has two boxes.

How about Harbor And Harondo?

We'll be

Okay, done with I like it.

Is that in District 2?

Yes, Perfect.

Harbor and heroin. Anyone object to that? No. No. Okay.

One ninetieth in ANSA.

For number six?

Yeah.

It's now.

That's kind cute.

I like that.

I was

hoping for more on Artesia, to be They

got a whole consultant for that.

Okay. Yeah, I'm down with hands on.

What about Prospect and Burrell?

I think it's Messer maybe there.

Prospect and Burrell?

Yeah. Because, like, I was just thinking, isn't it, like, chain link fence type? And if this is next to your chain link fence, by 198 ANTA,

right? Which box did you like?

Prospect and Beryl. And barrel for number six. Does

everyone like Prospect and Beryl for number six?

I concur, though, that link fence is going to be kind of like a

Is that what district is that?

It could either look really good. Really good?

Can you

Is that up like

I don't even see it on here.

Is that behind us right now?

Prospect And Barrel. That's a good

one for right there.

Yeah. That's a good

one. Really? Is that District 3?

Yes. Okay.

All right. Number 7. Number 7. I'm going give it Artesia and something.

What about Artesia and rent? Or do we not want to do Artesia because of the consultants? Is that what you were saying?

I'm just saying there's like a 100 boxes to Number play. Yeah, Artesia is going to get there

seven should be saved for Artesia. Kind

of like there.

Artesia is

going Well, can get do

$1,000,000 on

that side.

There's some Artesia, McKay, Artesia and Saint Martin's store in the Riviera.

Why not start something? 10,000,000 great

on Artesia, though, because that brings in that wave of Redondo. And then we'll get

the result in waves.

I'm thinking Save 10 for Artesia because that brings in the wave of Redondo and welcomes people to the beach.

Oh, I like that.

All right.

I like that, too. So can we do number 10 then? Which one, Michelle? Artesia and

Well, if

we do it, like, near Hawthorne, then that's, like, the Edge Of Redondo that they're gonna be entering. I

think that's a good I like that one.

At where? You like that idea?

Yeah, Hawthorne. The Edge Of Verdun.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's great.

Yeah. The question is small or large? I say large.

Large. Do we have public comment on this?

Are you guys okay with that?

Can we get a small one?

We probably should. I would like to get

public comment. I think we should get

public These designs only lend themselves to the smaller rocks.

Oh, they do?

Do we have any comments from the other rocks? Yeah. Rectangular ones. Can you see that?

Rectangle and then there's like a fat.

Okay. So are we we're on number 10?

To redo it.

We're gonna do Number 10 at Hawthorne And Artesia Small, which is District 4. Is that okay? Am I I don't wanna overstep on any toes. Okay. Number 10.

Where so we're doing And then

that leaves number 7 for District 5.

Sounds good.

And on District 5

Wait, wait.

So number 10 is Hawthorne And Artesia, Small. And then that means number seven. Artwork number seven needs to be in District 5.

The

question is where?

Which one is closer to the school? Would that be Manhattan Beach Boulevard and Dow? I think this might be a fun one for the school kids to see.

Yeah, that's a cute one for the school.

Isn't there one on Ringe? Because there's a school on isn't there a school over on right. Doolittle is

private school.

Doolittle is where isn't that where you turn and if you head south, you'll hit Lincoln?

That's right before the Performing Arts Center. Or after, however you're

Is that what you're referring to?

I'm thinking of Lincoln School, yes. Yeah.

But there's two at Dolittle, maybe we should do Dow? I don't know.

I like Manhattan Beach Boulevard and Dow. I think my view is I don't the

like it. How does everybody else feel?

I'm good.

You're

Okay? Did we get a thumbs up down there? We're good. Everybody over here?

Yep.

So number seven will be Manhattan Beach Boulevard and Dow for District 5.

Okay. So let me summarize. Design number one, Avenue I in Catalina, District 1. Design number four, Harbor In Redondo, District 2. Design number six, Prospect And Barrel, District 3 design number seven, Manhattan Beach Boulevard And Dow, District 5 and design number 10, Artesia And Hawthorne, the small Box, District 4.

Question, though. That says Caltrans.

Oh, we can't do a Caltrans box.

Okay. Yep.

That's right. Right there. What about

Was that number 10?

Yes. So what if we do

What about Ortizia and Range?

That sounds good.

I thought we were going save Ortizia for the consultant.

Because the consultant you're still making the decisions. No, no. You need one for Ortizia.

Okay. Definitely.

That sounds good. Perfect.

It's a cross.

So Artesia and Ringe?

Artesia and Ringe.

Okay.

For which number? 10. Perfect. That works for me. Yeah.

Since the other one's couched.

That's four.

So

then, Commissioner, Madam Chairperson, do you want to amend your motion? Let's just make a new motion to accept that package and make those recommendations together.

Where was number five again?

I can read them and you can just turn that into a motion.

So what would you like me to

do again? So the motion does somebody want to make a motion to recommend to city council that design number one will go on Avenue I in Catalina, design number four will go on Harbor in Redondo, design number six will go on Prospect And Barrel, design number seven will go on Manhattan Beach Boulevard and Dow, And design number 10 will go on Artesia and Ringe. Would anyone like to make that motion?

I will.

Who?

I'd like to make a motion to city council that

What I just said.

What you

just said. Okay. And

who wants to second that?

I'll second.

Commissioner Lawrence? Oh, Gold? Gold. And then chairperson you can take a No, vote you can take a vote now.

Oh, that's right. I have to take a vote. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Now I can send the case.

Very good. Thank you.

Thank you. Well done. Gary, thank you for for putting it all together so nicely. I second

You're welcome. What you offered him.

Okay. You may continue with the agenda.

Okay. So now we're going to J2. Yes. Discussion and possible action on the creation of an ADHOC committee to make recommendations to the full commission regarding an LGBTQ public art project.

So I don't have formal presentation for this other than what was in the administrative report that's in your packet. Chairperson will probably have a lot more to say about it, but basically the recommendation is to form a committee to bring back a recommendation to all of you.

And basically, what an HOC committee it's like a subcommittee. That's really what it

is. Yeah.

Mean, because sometimes that might sound confusing to some people, but I know that.

Ad hoc means that it's created for a temporary purpose, right, as opposed to a standing committee which would report every meeting. So an ad hoc committee accomplishes its goal, then it's dissolved. There's no reason for it to exist anymore. So the ad hoc committee would be to make recommendations regarding an LGBTQ permanent public installation.

And I know that there were some people interested in

And maybe give them some background, chairperson, because there are new commissioners who don't know the work that's already been done.

Yeah. So the past commissioners, Ashish Charmat and I and Gary, we attended the LGBTQIA over at it's on In Torrance. In Torrance and discussed with the executive director. Deenan, the director, and discussed about possibilities throughout Redondo for artwork. And we went out to look at several different possibilities amongst that was from the boardwalk to City Hall to the library to a few places on Artesia and went over possibilities of the media, of the art, which could be sculpture, it could be mural, it could be anyway, that's what we did.

The city council this started when city council directed the commission, the public art commission, to come up with an idea for a permanent LGBTQ public art installation at Civic Center. The last time this commission discussed it, which I think was October or maybe the meeting before, the majority of the commissioners felt that Civic Center was not the right place. They wanted it someplace that was more visible. And then we lost the other committee members. The most important thing to happen today you don't have to decide where it's going to go today or what it's going to be but the most important thing is to pick members who are going to bring back

Together committee again.

Yeah. And

I know there were some people that had interest have discussed on our last meeting, so feel free to volunteer. I know, Tanner, you raised some questions the last time, so feel free to come and volunteer if anybody wants to do it because it's important for us all to engage, I feel like. So it can only be a maximum of three

Correct.

First of all, I'd be honored to be on the committee. I think this is something really important. And I feel like this really needs to get going. This has been a long time coming, right? This has been allocated for quite a long time that we have something. So I'm really curious to see where you guys are. It seems like there's a few things that maybe even fell through on the Esplanade project and all those maybe there were some spots that we can get this going a lot faster than we think. But we're Redondo Beach. I mean, we have to have something. And we're the arts. The two things could not go, you know, any more hand in hand than those two. So I think this is really important for us to get going. Okay. So I would be honored to be on that committee.

Alright. Now should we get a third?

Well, who's the first?

Well, I'm still on it. Well, you didn't

It's a new committee. It's a new committee. Did you want me to throw in the towel? The chairperson is nominating herself. Commissioner O'Brien Herrera is nominating herself. Does anybody else want to nominate himself or herself?

Tiana, would you like to? I

would love to, but I was thinking about actually suggesting another ad hoc committee in the upcoming agenda items and I would like to serve on that. So serving on both would be a little bit too much. Just for the benefit of, you know, my fellow commissioners, the only thing I had suggested in the past about this issue, and I completely agree with you, it's been such a long time so I'm glad that we are taking this initiative and whoever is going to be on this committee, we need to act very, very fast. Yes. I've been hearing this on the council meetings for the past almost two years now.

The second thing is with regards to Gary's earlier mention about the city hall or the civic center, it needs to be a little bit more visible place. Just and I mentioned what our friends at Manhattan Beach did. They just put the sidewalk right in front of the pier Mhmm. Pretty much

like That's what I mentioned the last time when we were

talking. Okay.

That was also a discussion, and it's on YouTube. So you can see we we discussed about that about that Manhattan Beach did that night. Didn't make a a recommendation, What's

the other ad hoc item coming up?

I was gonna make a suggestion in the later on one of the agenda items.

Later? Oh, okay.

I'll nominate myself to be on the committee.

Okay. So the chair, O'Brien, and Gold. Okay. So we have so does somebody want to make a motion to appoint the chairperson, Commissioner O'Brien Herrera, and Commissioner Gold to the ad hoc LGBTQ permanent public art installation ad hoc committee.

I'll make a motion.

Okay. Anyone want to second that? Second. Who was that? Commissioner Pozzelli? Okay. And then do you want to ask for a vote, chairperson?

Yes. All in favor? Any public comments? I'm sorry. Any public comments?