City Council - Regular Meeting

Redlands to order. This is our closed session. I do have one speaker slip. Mr. Andrew Coleman, you want to come on up? Introduce yourself. You have three minutes. There's lights on the podium there. Green, yellow, and yellow. You got 30 seconds, I believe, and then red. Welcome. Thank you. Appreciate it.

and members of the city council i'm going to read a statement here my name is andrew coleman and i serve as the teamsters business agent representing the hard-working men and women of the city of redlands teamsters bargaining unit i'm here tonight to speak on the status of our ongoing contract negotiations and to raise a serious concern about the tone being set at the bargaining table Our members come to the negotiations in good faith with the goal of reaching a fair and sustainable agreement that reflects both the values of their work and the needs of the city. Unfortunately, the approach taken by the city's negotiator thus far has not reflected that same spirit. The tone has been unnecessarily adversarial, dismissive of reasonable proposals, and counterproductive to meaningful progress. Negotiations should be a process grounded in mutual respect, transparency, and shared commitments to problem solving. When the foundation is undermined, it not only delays agreements, but erodes trust, something that is far more difficult to rebuild. We're not here to create conflict. We are here to resolve it, but that requires both parties seeing age constructively. At this point, we are asking for your leadership and intervention. We respectfully urge the council to provide direction to your negotiator to adopt a more collaborative, solution-oriented approach so that we can move forward productively. Our members are proud public servants who keep this city running every day. They deserve a negotiation process that reflects the same level of professionalism and respect. Thank you for your time and consideration.

You have a closed session comment, Mr. Rogers? Yes. Okay. Come on up.

Honorable Mayor Salcedo, Residence City Council, Steve Rogers, Church Street. In regards to the negotiations that are going on, and that's my understanding what this closed session item is about, I want to read something that I had sent to you a few council meetings back and just to make it part of the record what I'm interested in seeing happen. As the MOU or contract with the employees groups had previously contained the position of city engineer being the director of the municipal utilities and engineering department, I believe that the city of Redlands and without a proper meet and confer process, unilaterally removed the requirement for the MUED director to concurrently be the city engineer, also therefore requiring the MUED director to be a California licensed professional engineer. Since this change to the MOU contract is not consistent with state law, being the Professional Engineers Act, and apparently occurred outside of the collective bargaining agreement or MOU contract negotiations, the change is improper and should be considered null and void. The legal opinion about the subject is not appropriate. Instead, the collusion by those involved which took place in order to remove the city engineer position from the MOU and in doing so defraud the public benefit and compromise the public health, safety and welfare in the process must cease and desist immediately. The city engineer position as has historically been equated with the executive position of the City of Redlands MOU with the department director's, oh excuse me, the director of the MUED must be corrected in the City of Redlands MOU with the department director's collective bargaining unit during this current contract negotiations in progress. Thank you.

I don't have any other speaker slips. Does anybody else want to make a public comment? I don't see anybody on Zoom. All right, Madam City Attorney, what is our closed session report?

There's one item on the closed session agenda, Conference with Labor Negotiator Pursuant to Government Code Section 54957.6, Agency Negotiators John Bakkeet, Janice McConnell, Robert Metto, and Jorge Castillo, Employee Organizations, Redlands Association of Department Directors, Redlands Association of Management Employees, Redlands Association of Mid-Management Employees, Redland Association of Safety Management Employees, Redlands Association of Fire Management Employees, Redlands Police Officers Association, Redlands Professional Firefighters Association, Redlands Civilian Safety Employees, and Teamsters Local 1932 Redlands Chapter.

Okay, thank you. We stand in recess until our open session at 6 o'clock. Thank you. Good evening. I'd like to reconvene the city council meeting of the city of Redlands and I'll ask our council member Davis to lead us in the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance.

Good evening everyone. As we gather tonight, we do so in a moment that feels uncertain for many, and yet even in challenging times, this season reminds us that renewal is still possible, that growth can come after hardship, and that hope is something we can help create together. In a time that can feel divided, may we choose to be grounded, thoughtful, and focused on what truly matters, serving people and our community of Redlands so well. Thank you so much, and now please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Madam City Attorney, do we have any reportable action out of closed session?

There was just one item on the closed session agenda and there was no reportable action.

All right, thank you. Next on the agenda is presentations, our pet, Redlands Pet Adoption. There's Joe, come on in. Who do we have here today?

Good afternoon, we have Bautista here today, guys. Everybody, meet Bautista. ALL RIGHT, WELCOME TO THE SHOW. EXCUSE ME. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS JOE ALCORES. I'M THE ANIMAL SERVICES SUPERVISOR. AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, THIS IS THE PARTY PART OF THE SHOW. WE HAVE A LOVELY DOG. I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME THEMES GOING ON IN THE ANIMAL SERVICES FIELD, AND THEN WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO OUR BUDDY HERE. SO FIRST I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR LIVE RELEASE RATES. THIS IS WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. We start off with the beginning animal population of animals. We started with 32 dogs, nine cats, equals to 41 animals, Sorry, I'm struggling here, so bear with me. So we had 41 animals total for the month of March. We did a total of intakes of 41 dogs, and we also had an animal outcome of 18 dog adoptions and 8 cat adoptions. We're doing pretty good, but as you guys can see, we're kind of struggling right now. We have 48 dogs and one cat at the shelter. We're pretty much at our max capacity. So if you guys are looking to adopt, please come check us out at the animal shelter because we can really need your help. So if you know somebody that's looking to adopt, send them over to our shelter because we can really use the help. All right. So let's get into this situation right here. Lately, guys, it's been a serious issue going on with the donkeys. If you guys haven't heard about what's going on with the boroughs, there's been attacks on the donkeys. They're claiming that this is coming from dogs. I just want to make sure we can spread the message. If you guys see something going on, please say something. Even though this is happening in the Riverside County, That also backends to our jurisdiction. So I want to make sure that people understand what to do if you see something. If you see an active attack, call 911. If you see loose, aggressive dogs, call Redlands Animal Services. If you see any suspicious activity, call Redlands Police Department. Report it, right? The best thing we can do is report these incidents from happening. You good? All right. So even though they're, We're not the lead investigators in these cases. We do have connection with the lead investigators, which is Riverside County. So if you guys report anything, we'll get the emails, we'll get the calls, and we'll send the information to Riverside County. Some of the biggest issues going on right now is the communication isn't being relayed to the proper agency. So just know that the City of Redlands can help you guys out. We can help out solve this investigation. At this time, we have two doctors in questions and Riverside County is really trying to locate where they live so we can resolve this issue. All right, so moving on to something else. So speaking about space, huh, Bautista? We have an upcoming ceremony. We have the Animal Services Center Kennel Expansion Ribbon Cutting Ceremony. Sorry, that was a mouthful. The event details are going to be this Thursday, April 9th at 4 p.m. We invite you guys to come over, check it out. We're going to do almost like an open house ribbon-cutting ceremony. We're going to have a lot of people there, so we're going to have dogs just like Bautista. If you guys are looking to adopt, we're going to also be running an adoption event, $24 adoptions. So if you're looking to adopt a dog, including my buddy here, Bautista, he'll be available for adoption as well. All right, so here's an update. Our last dog, Sourdough. You guys remember him? He did great. Sourdough was adopted last month, and we're hoping to do the same thing with Bautista this month. Let's get into Bautista. This guy here is a five-year-old neuter Akita mix. He came to the shelter back in February 26th. And he is a very respectful dog. He walks well. He behaves well. He's handsome. He is an Akita mix with a Boxer. Good markings. Beautiful looking dog. He might look a little scary, but he's really a sweet boy. So one of the best dogs that we have in our shelter right now. So if you guys are looking to adopt, I keep saying this is a good dog. So I'm hoping that you guys can help us out and help these animals find homes and come visit us hopefully this Thursday. Thank you guys so much for your time. I appreciate you guys. Have a good day.

Thank you, Joe. Next on our agenda is a presentation of a proclamation for Dolores Huerta Day. Dolores Huerta is recognized in the city of Redlands as a voice that enacted positive change within the agricultural community and the industry. Intimately tied to the city's history and still is an integral part of a social and economic fabric to this day, both through its heritage groves and through its workers. And whereas we recognize the in honor and celebrate 1 of the America's greatest champions for agricultural labor rights and social justice and individual. whose lifelong commitment to justice for all and for the many trails she paved for generations of activities has made us stronger, more just, and more prosperous country and community. Now, therefore, let it be resolved that the City Council of the City of Redlands does hereby proclaim April 10th, 2026 as Dolores Huerta Day in the City of Redlands, and the spirit of Dolores Huerta encourages all residents to create positive impacts in the communities to better our lives. Thank you. Next on our agenda is the presentation to the National Crime Victims' Rights Week, a proclamation to present to Rose Madison, but she's not here today. Instead, I'll be presenting it to Gail Howard. This is a proclamation of the Family and Friends of Murder Victims is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing information, support, and friendship to persons who have experienced the death of loved ones through a violent act of murder. And whereas Family and Friends of Murder Victims hopes to restore a sense of hope and to provide a pathway of well-being for those who have lost a loved one and whereas family and friends of murder victims educates the community regarding the issues faced by surviving families and friends of murder victims and victims of attempted murder and whereas the national crime rights week is an annual event sponsored by the national organization of victims assistance and is held to commemorate those who have died violently just to show support for their survivors now therefore let it be resolved that the city council of the city of redlands does hereby proclaim april 19th through april 25th 2026 as national crime victims rights week in the city of Redlands and express their gratitude and appreciation to the family and friends of murder victims, as well as to the criminal justice professionals who are committed to improving our response to all victims of crime so that they may find a relevant and assisted support and peace. I'm going to ask Police Chief Tolbert to come on down for this, assist me with this presentation, and announce our memorial this coming Thursday, I believe. Come on up, Gail.

Thank you very much. I am excited to announce that April 23rd, Thursday, April 23rd, at 5.30 p.m., we'll be hosting the memorial here in Redlands. It'll be our second annual memorial, and I would like to invite everyone to come and join us.

And this is the second annual memorial that held here in the East Valley. There is one up in the high desert, one on the west end, and so it has been in response to a local resident here, Rose Madsen, who lost her daughter some years ago, and we really wanted an opportunity to be able to honor those family members that have passed away, along with our district attorney, all our law enforcement friends, and so it'll be a a memorial behind the annex police station in the evening. Please come out and support those family members that have lost loved ones that we'll always remember and never forget. So thank you.

Mayor, what time on Thursday?

5.30. I think there's a card right there. Yeah, 5.30 to 7.30. Yeah, 5.30 to 7.30. You want to say something?

That would be nice if most of you guys can try to make it because unless it It attacks your family. People don't think about it. And murder is crazy. They're not coming back. They're not coming back. And we sit up there and... It means to do to the people, the survivors, the survivor guilt. There's so much. And I know as human beings, I'm not going to pay attention to it, but it should. Because my son's shooting was the first mass shooting we had in this town. And I was blessed. My son survived. But the other three boys are dead. And thank you guys so much. Please try to make it. Please try to. Thank you.

Next on our agenda is a presentation of Earth Day Proclamation, presented to Linda Hamilton, Executive Director of Anca, and Christy Cooper, owner of Feel Good Market. If they're here, please come on up. Okay, okay, great. So, whereas Earth Day is a celebrated worldwide to raise awareness and educate us, to inspire us and take actions to conserve and heal Mother Earth, and whereas the City of Redlands is committed to sustainability of our community And whereas groups in Redlands are working to assist residents, businesses to achieve greater climate resiliency through educational programs, public policy, and grassroots action. Whereas Redlands and the surrounding communities will observe Earth Day locally Saturday, April 18th, designated as Redlands Earth Day, a day of climate action through various sustainable and climate action workshops and the community celebration at Smiley Park. Now, therefore, let it be resolved that the City Council of the City of Redlands does hereby proclaim April 22nd, 2026 as Earth Day, our power, our planet in Redlands, and encourages residents, businesses, and institutions to take an initial and ongoing actions to address climate change. There you go, Linda. You have to say a few words. Thank you so much.

Well, mainly I want to thank the city for jumping on board with us at our very first day of climate action in 2023, becoming a significant partner with us. And we frankly couldn't do this without the city's support. And I don't know how many of you have ever been to Earth Day, but I think I'll ask this question. I'd love to see a show of hands. How many of you are getting more concerned about what's happening on our planet? Oh my gosh, okay. I'm happy to see that. I'm not really happy to see it, but I mean, yes.

We all need to be concerned, right?

Yes, and this day can be very helpful in helping us to see and experience and practice more sustainable ways of living. And that's the only way forward we've got. And so I really hope you'll think about coming to join us from nine to 12 for projects all over the city. and then from 12 to 3 for the celebration here at Smiley Park. Thank you so much.

Some of the Anka folks, come on up. Oh, goodness. Next, we have a presentation for national, April's a big month. for a lot of acknowledgements, and well, it should be. So this is a presentation to the National Autism Acceptance Month proclamation presented to Val Noble, CEO of Unite to Live with Autism. Come on up. So I had the great opportunity to meet Val at one of the Rise and Shine Chamber of Commerce's event, and she pulled me to the side and said, hey, you know what? We need to bring awareness and more visibility and advocacy for our special needs community and especially those that live with autism. So whereas individuals with autism can face very difficult barriers to employment opportunities, and often have their intelligence and abilities misunderstood and overlooked. And whereas it's crucial to champion awareness of the impacts of autism and acceptance of individuals with autism as they navigate life and increase challenges in the many aspects of development and socialization. Whereas Unite to Live with Autism is an organization that provides resources, support, and positive experiences to individuals on autism spectrum and their families. The U2LWA believes that those on the autism spectrum should be celebrated for their uniqueness and special gifts, and they strive for positivity and acceptance. Now, therefore, let it be resolved that the City Council of the City of Redlands does hereby proclaim the month of April 2026 to be Autism Acceptance Month in the City of Redlands, and we invite all residents to celebrate individuals with autism in our city who play such a full and joyful love and hope. Val?

Thank you. Put the glasses on and my other eyes. I'll make this quick. Mayor Saucedo, members of the city council and the Redlands community, on behalf of the families, volunteers, and the entire board of Unite to Live with Autism, I am incredibly honored to accept this proclamation. When I founded this organization, our goal was simple, to ensure that no family would feel that they would have to navigate the role of autism alone. Receiving this recognition from the city we all call home, the jewel of the Inland Empire, is a powerful validation of that mission. Redlands is a city built on strength of its community. Our work is only possible because of that spirit. This proclamation belongs to the resilient parents who advocate every day the educators who see the potential in every child and the local businesses that help us create a truly inclusive environment. We believe that when we unite to live, we build a city where every individual, regardless of how they are wired, has the opportunity to drive and belong. Thank you, Mayor. for your leadership and for recognizing the importance of neurodiversity in our beautiful city. Thank you to my family, my chamber family who's here, my coworkers, and my board members. Ms. BJ, thank you so much. We really appreciate it.

Oh, yeah, you missed it at the Rise and Shine.

We did, so on Saturday, was it last Saturday, the 28th, we did a walk and roll walk at Citrus High School. It was amazing. We had all the community disabilities out there. It was hot, but people came out, and the mayor and Mrs. Maria Saucedo, Common Vision Coalition. I had to remember that. Organized this, and I was very, very blessed to be a part of it. So hopefully we do it again next year. And yeah, come out. Come out, walk, and join in. These kids are just individuals, period. You will be surprised how much they join in and just enjoy having us there, letting them know that they exist in this world.

Okay, almost done, a couple more to go. Presentation of Child Abuse Prevention Month Proclamation presented to Janie Glasgow, Director of the Children and Family Services. Is she here tonight? Okay, very good, come on up. I'll just read a little bit about it. Whereas effective child abuse prevention activities succeed because of the partnerships created between the city, the county, school districts, and nonprofit businesses and hospitals. Whereas the blue ribbon in the international symbol of Child Abuse Prevention and the Children's Network has planned a blue ribbon media campaign, educational materials and distribution, and the 27th annual Shine a Light on Child Abuse Prevention award ceremony to increase awareness of child abuse during the month of April. Now, therefore, let it be resolved that the City of Redlands, the City Council, hereby declares the month of April 2026 a Child Prevention Month and encourages residents, schools, nonprofits, businesses, and other entities in the community to engage in activities and events that assist in the efforts to prevent child abuse and provide for children's physical and emotional developmental needs. Please introduce yourself.

Hello everyone, my name is Juan Solis. I'm the Father Engagement Coordinator for San Bernardino County Children's Network. And I also chair our award winning Inland Empire Father Involvement Coalition. Not sure if anybody's heard of them or us. I'm here on behalf of Children's Network. Not to be confused with Children and Family Services, we're on the prevention side. And so fatherhood is definitely at the prevention side of this work. Just had to say that piece. And we want to thank the City of Redlands for proclaiming April as Child Abuse Prevention Month. And we know that child abuse comes in many different forms. It may include physical, emotional, and sexual abuse and neglect. We recognize the detrimental effects that child abuse and neglect have not only on the victim's health and well-being, but on the health of our communities. Studies such as the adverse childhood experiences demonstrate that children who experience severe adversity and maltreatment are far more likely to experience negative health and behavioral health outcomes later on in life. We all benefit when children have safe, stable, and nurturing environments that help prevent adverse childhood experiences and imminently promote positive childhood experiences. There's some stats here that we wanted to share. Suspected child abuse can be anonymously reported by calling the Child Abuse Hotline at 800-827-8724. Each one of you serves as the eyes and ears of your community, and it only takes a minute to make a call that might help a child or a family in need. Child abuse referrals received in San Bernardino County in 2025, 30,545 and referrals received from the city of Redlands year 2025, 1,115. And I do also wanna add that I'm also the tri-chair of our statewide mandated reform called Mandated Advisory Committee. And so we're also looking at our numbers. We actually need more supporting and less reporting. Reporting doesn't mean that a child is safe. Sometimes we make reports and we harm the family more because the family is now under the watch of Children and Family Services, specifically with our black and African-American communities and our indigenous communities. So it takes all of us. Yes, we want our children safe, but understand that a family may need a connection to one of our resources or a family service and agencies and not so much involvement with the child welfare system. But thank you all, appreciate it.

Thank you.

Our last one is a presentation for the National Donate Life Month Proclamation presented to Kat Matz, One Legacy Ambassador. Is she here? Oh, come on up. Great. Whereas a single individual's donation of a heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, pancreas, small intestines, can save up to eight lives donations of tissue can save and heal life up to seventy five others and a single blood donation can help three people in need whereas over nineteen million californians have signed up with the state authorized donate life california donor registry to ensure their wishes to be an Oregon Eye and Tissue Donor and honored and whereas any person can register to be an Oregon Eye and Tissue Donor regardless of age, medical conditions and now therefore let it be resolved that the City Council of the City of Redlands Hereby proclaim the month of April 2026 as National Donate Life Month in the City of Redlands and encourages residents to check the yes when applying for a renewal of their DMV driver's license or ID card at the DMV.

Thank you, Mayor, City Council, and community members. My name is Kat, and I am honored to be here representing One Legacy, our local organ procurement organization serving San Bernardino County. On behalf of our entire community, I want to sincerely thank the City of Redlands for your continued support of organ, eye, and tissue donation. and for recognizing the important cause through your proclamation again this year. Your leadership helps raise awareness, encourages meaningful conversations, and ultimately saves lives. There are currently over 100,000 people waiting for a life-saving gift, and over 20% of that lives here in California. For me, this mission is deeply personal. Eight and a half years ago, my 11-year-old son, Christopher, became an organ donor. In the midst of unimaginable loss, our family made the decision to say yes to donation. And because of that decision, lives were not only saved, but families were given hope in moments where there once was none. had the incredible honor of meeting all three of his organ recipients, the individuals who received his kidneys, his liver, and his pancreas. To stand in front of them, to hug them, to see their smiles, to meet their families, and to witness the lives that they are now able to live is something I will carry with me forever. In these moments, you realize that donation doesn't just save lives, it connects them. My son's legacy is still living on through each of them and every milestone they reach and every memory that they continue to make. That is the true power of organ, eye, and tissue donation. Because of communities like Redlands, more people are learning about the importance of registering as donors and having those important conversations with their loved ones. Thank you again for your continued partnership, your compassion, and for helping families like mine turn loss into life and legacy.

All right.

Before we move on to public comment, I'm going to recognize our city manager, Charlie Duggan.

I just wanted to introduce our new municipal utilities and engineering director, Monica Heredia. I said that right, I'm working on it. She comes to us from Montclair. She has a vast experience as a public works director, as an engineer. We're very lucky to have her. um this is actually her second day and we've thrown her into the deep end and given her three items to present to the council so but she's a pro and she knows she has lots of help with the rest of us but i just wanted to welcome her and we look forward to working with her in the future and this is also sean riley's second meeting and so we're excited about his promotion and so we have two new directors and uh we look for really good things to come for the city thank you so much welcome aboard

Moving on to our public comment, first speaker is Andrew Coleman.

Good evening again. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I brought a few friends with me this time. Good evening mayor and members of the Council. I'm going to read a statement again. My name is Andrew Coleman and I serve as the teamsters business agent representing the city of Redlands teamsters. Thank you for the opportunity to speak again. I would like to briefly address our ongoing contract negotiations. Our members have entered the process in good faith. with a clear commitment to working collaborative towards a contract that is fair, responsible, and mutually beneficial for both the city and employees who serve it every day. Negotiations involve balancing different Negotiations involve balancing different priorities and perspectives. We firmly believe that the most productive outcomes are achieved when both parties engage in good faith bargaining, grounded in professionalism, respect, and genuine willingness to find common ground. Our members are proud of the work they do for the City of Redlands. And they remain committed to reaching an agreement that supports the long-term success of the organization while recognizing the values of their contributions. We look forward to continuing this process and working towards a positive and mutual beneficial resolution with the city. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, we'll go ahead with our next public comment, Mr. Dennis Bell.

Good evening. There's all the bike classic and Earth Day celebration signs on public property. The city, city parkway, city parks, and public school properties. As I understand it, that's illegal for those signs to be on public property. Thank you.

Next public comment, Jonathan Scheidler.

Good day, City Council and City Directors. It is a beautiful day. I had to, I was going to mention how much I appreciated my public workers. I have a small story to say before I have my actual ask. Five years ago, we had a sewage problem that led to effectively an open sewer line for my home. We called the City to try to investigate whose problem that happened to have been. And without fail, A city employee showed up 5 a.m. to come and scope and to verify where the problem was. And then after that, came and provided from the back of their truck sanitizing materials to make sure that my neighbors didn't have to deal with the fact that my sewer was not working properly. That is a level of care and consideration that I see in every single city employee. Whether I'm going in to go ask for a permit, whether I'm going in to go ask for questions about permits, whether I am dealing with permitting issues, all of those items are handled professionally and with an absolute level of grace. They are some of the best people I get to work with. And I say that as someone that has had to deal with Palm Desert. I say that as someone that's had to deal with the county of San Bernardino, with the city of San Bernardino, with Riverside. with the Alcohol Bureau Commission, with a variety of different state and county-level items. Redlands shines above the rest, and they are worth their weight in gold. They are what makes Redlands a fantastic city to live in. Now, my real ask is this. I am very well aware that the city has a weather machine, and I'm concerned about the bike race this weekend and the 75% chance of rain. Is there anything that the city will be working upon with that? I will hold for questions later. Stay well.

Check with the chamber.

Next public speaker is Dori Yashamaro. No more pictures.

I would like to thank mayor and council member Barrett for taking the time to come to the town hall meeting on March 23. I apologize to you mayor for not recognizing you in that setting. It was an incredible turnout and it was a bit overwhelming. My understanding is that the only jurisdiction not represented was Loma Linda. Thank you council member Barrett for your transparency and for taking responsibility as a representative of the affected district. I was so proud to be a resident of this city after speaking here and seeing the response of brothers representatives at that meeting. Other jurisdictions unfortunately did not seem to put their best foot forward. Riverside County stated they're leading the investigation. They gave several conflicting statements that have not inspired confidence in the community. and also seem to downplay safety concerns. There does not seem to be follow up besides posting phone numbers for contact or tips. It is apparent that the agencies were not sharing information within their own departments and are definitely not sharing between jurisdictions. This is a call for action. I request that the City of Redlands Act to request and facilitate a joint task force between the jurisdictions with wild boroughs to work together to increase our overall safety and to catch this dangerous perpetrator. Evidence points to the fact that people who hurt animals go on to hurt people. This task force would be able to address any other multi-jurisdictional issues that arise in future. I also request that the City of Redlands commit to supporting donkey land in a meaningful way. After I left the last City Council meeting, I learned that two of the victims of these horrible attacks were found in Redlands City jurisdiction. The veterinary bills on these cases are staggering. It costs... 2500 dollars just to walk into an equine surgical hospital. There are victims who have been at hospital for months. Deal has covered the veterinary cost of all these victims, except for the ones who were euthanized in the field. They have provided a free service to all of the jurisdictions with wild burrows by providing sanctuary to herds in harm's way, responding to sick or injured burrows and providing transportation and veterinary care when indicated. They have over 600 wild boroughs and sanctuary. The majority of these have been relocated from our local jurisdictions, including Redlands. The feed bill at DL is just under $8,000 per week. They rely on donations to cover expenses. DL has organized a total of $99,000 in reward money, leading to the arrest and the arrow attacks. and these more recent mutilations. They organized a town hall meeting at which over 200 people attended and nearly every jurisdiction sent representatives. Law enforcement must investigate and find this perpetrator. It should not be up to private citizens and organizations to point out threats in the community. Law enforcement should be informing us of threats with the backing of the jurisdictions. I ask that the City of Redlands take action and not merely give lip service like some of these others. We are better than that and Redlands deserves better. Thank you.

Next public comment is Mr. Bruce Laycook.

Good evening, council members and city staff. First of all, I want to say that I appreciate that when I sent an email in the wee hours of the morning that I get a response in a very timely fashion from city staff. So thank you to those with whom I interacted today. Secondly, You have a new city website slash agenda management system. I won't use bad language, but it has room for improvement. The old system where you opened a PDF and when you scroll down through the PDF, there was a link that you could click to go to the supporting document. was much, much easier to use. The current system is many things, but intuitive is not one of them. Thankfully, I had a chance to speak with a young lady named Betsy today, and she walked me through how to get the access that I needed in a way that I could read where it wasn't on just like a third of the page. So that's a good thing. But I'm an old IT guy and I consider myself fairly computer literate. And if I struggled and I did with the new system, then my ask is work on it, make it better. Because you broke something that I don't think needed to be fixed. That's it. Thank you.

Thank you. I don't have any more written or... Public comments slips. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Yes. Sorry. H. Mr. Steve Rogers. Thank you.

I will mirror South Sato, rather than city council, Steve Rogers, church street. Today I want to talk about. I wrote down on my slip, I wrote open government and then that's what I always write. But then I thought, what do I really want to talk about? Well, open government, how it was before at will employment. And open government, or I don't call it open government anymore, after at-will employment, things have changed quite a bit. And I speak from experience that I worked for the City of Ontario when at-will employment was brought in. I, you saw those people out there, and I mean, all of these people wouldn't show up unless they were really concerned about what's going on to show some unity. And I have a huge concern about what's going on. And it centers around at-will employment. I mean, at-will employment started with the previous city manager, Mr. Martinez, And what at-will employment means is that all the department heads, well, of course, the city manager is at-will to the city council, as is the city attorney. But the department heads and administrative staff are all at-will to the city manager. And so the city manager can choose whoever he wants. Doesn't have to be based on qualifications. and it usually isn't based on qualifications. It's based on, in this case, my view is that the city manager is micromanaging what's going on here at this city and so he wants to essentially tell everybody on staff how to do their job. That becomes a problem when you're an engineer because you're certified by the state and you're supposed to try to protect the public health, safety, and welfare with your decisions. And so I'm happy to see that we have a new municipal utilities and engineering director. I believe I heard that she's a registered engineer, professional engineer in the state of California. That's a great first step because what comes along with that is that pursuant to the organizational requirements of public organizations, she'll also need to be the city engineer. And so there's gonna have to be a few more modifications to the department before everything is done right. Thank you.

I don't have any other public speaker sheets. I don't see any public comment on Zoom. Before we go to our public hearings on Jay, I just want to let the council members know that we're pulling item K-9 to our next city council meeting.

Move approval of the balance of the calendar.

Second.

Motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda. Yes. Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw. Yes. Mayor Sacito.

Yes. Moving on to item J, this is a public hearing. I declare this as a public hearing, open public hearing. This is a consideration of a request to approve amendment number eight to the concept plan number one and plan development number six for a 983,000 square feet multi-story medical center expansion project, general hospital and medical offices, certification of the final environmental impact report, EIR, prepared for the project and the adoption of CEQA findings and statement of overriding considerations and mitigation monitoring and reporting program. The project site is located at 1301 California Street, APN number 0167-441-07-0000. The proposed use is a hospital and medical offices applicant, the Kaiser Foundation Hospitals Development Services Director Riley.

Thank you, Mayor. Kevin Berry, Senior Planner, will be presenting this item. Good evening, Mayor, Council Members.

Before you is the master plan and environmental document prepared for Kaiser Permanente's new health care facility at their 1301 California Street campus, which is currently developed with a medical office building and surface parking. The proposed master plan envisions the property being fully developed over four phases to include a general hospital, additional medical office buildings and supporting structures. Although the master plan does not set fixed dates for construction, the applicant targets completing the first phase by 2030. It's expected that later phases would move forward at roughly 10 year intervals, but construction timing would ultimately depend on economic conditions in the regional market. The Kaiser campus is located on the west side of California Street between Lagonia Avenue and almond avenues just north of the 10 freeway. The surrounding area is predominantly developed with warehousing as well as commercial development to the southeast. The project site is owned, um. According to concept plan 1. As a sub plan of the East Valley corridor, specific plan concept plan 1 establishes land use regulations according to the district map shown here. The project site is located in the Southeast corner of the plan area and its boundaries coincide with that of the medical medical facilities district, and which hospitals and medical offices offices are permitted by right. According to the procedures of the specific plan, new large scale and or phase developments within concept plan areas may prepare a development plan. Development plans are property specific long range land use and infrastructure planning documents, which function as a master entitlement that guides future onsite development. As a master entitlement, approval of a development plan does not authorize immediate development, and applicants are required to apply for and obtain subsequent entitlements from the Planning Commission prior to project construction. The project requests under consideration include a concept plan amendment to formalize development plan application procedures, a development plan for the new medical campus, and certification of an environmental impact report for the proposed development program. The Planning Commission previously reviewed this project and recommended approval. And although the Commission normally has approval of authority over development plans, the project as a whole has been propped forward to the Council for consideration due to the concurrent legislative request. 1st, the proposed concept plan amendment would add a formal application procedure to enable the processing of development plans consistent with the East Valley court or specific plan implementation procedures. The other adopted concept plans and the Council's previously adopted policies on the processing of plan development applications. Secondly, the application would establish a development plan for the new medical center, which is organized into two components and mapped portion and a written portion, which together outline the phasing site, planning and infrastructure program for the development as a whole. Shown here are the phasing details from the development plan. Overall, the plan proposes a total of 3 new main buildings, including a 321 bed general hospital and 2 medical office buildings as well as a parking structure and onsite central utility plan. The floor area of the overall facility, including the existing medical offices is 983,000 square feet. Here's the site plan for the existing office medical for the existing office building, which is currently accessed by 2 full width driveways on California street and Legonia Avenue. Phase 1 involves the construction of a new 4 story office building, located roughly 70 feet West of the existing building as well as additional surface parking and a new central vehicle. Turn around driveway turn around driveway, which would be constructed directly north of the buildings. Phase two is the primary hospital phase and includes the most substantial improvements. The hospital building would be sited west of the phase one office building. The main hospital would average three to four stories. In height and feature a and feature a 7 story tower measuring 122 feet in height, well below the 150 foot height limit of the zoning district. This phase also includes the construction of a 6 level parking structure north of the central driveway. A 2 story central utility plant. 2 new driveways and the installation of a new traffic signal at the intersection of California street and the project driveway. Phase three consists of a detached four story medical office building located south of the phase one building as well as additional surface parking in the northeast area of the site. Lastly, the, uh, the final phase includes the addition of a five story wing to the hospital, which would be set back approximately 130 feet from almond Avenue. Although the applicant has prepared conceptual elevations for reference, the development plan does not include precise building elevations and architectural design would be reviewed by the Planning Commission at each phase of subsequent entitlement. Pictured here is the applicant's existing facility in San Marcos, which has been provided as a visual example of a potential design for the new facility in Redlands. The applicant has also prepared some conceptual perspective renderings to help demonstrate the appearance and massing of the development as viewed from surrounding streets. Here's a vantage point taken from the northwest on almond Avenue. As well as another rendering as viewed from the southeast on the going Avenue with the existing medical office building in the foreground. Upon review staff in the planning commission have found that the project is supportable and upon approval of the pending amendment to the concept plan is consistent with applicable plans, policies and regulations. Although exempt from measure you as a hospital project staff engaged a traffic engineer to assess the project's level of service impacts on surrounding roadways. The recommendations of the study, which include a new traffic signal on California street and timing optimization of existing signals have been incorporated into the development plan document and will be the responsibility of the applicant to fund and construct in the 1st, 2 phases. Lastly, the planning commission has made all required approval findings, which largely which largely relate to project compatibility with the surrounding land uses and public improvement requirements. Listed here are those findings, which must be made in order to approve a development plan application pursuant to Council Resolution 515 5116. The draft approval resolution includes a suggested determination and rationale on each finding for your consideration as recommended as recommended by the Planning Commission. As required for a major development projects, the project went underwent environmental review and the city's environmental consultant prepared an environmental impact report or. In the case of this project, a program level was prepared, which is a kind of typically used for long range plans and phase projects and is designed to streamline environmental reviews for later project activities that are consistent with the initial program. That is the approach in this case in which the environmental review for future development phases. is streamlined if they conform to the overall development plan. Provided here is the EIR timeline, including major notice dates and public review periods. As required by CEQA, the program EIR analyzes 15 different environmental factors, including air quality, cultural resources, noise, and utilities. Several factors, including agriculture, mineral resources, wildfire risk were not further evaluated because it was concluded there were no potential for the project to cause impacts in these resource areas. Upon completion of the draft, the was finalized by incorporating a response to comments into the documents present version now being considered for certification. The final is also accompanied by required documentation, including findings of fact, a mitigation monitoring and reporting program and a statement of overriding considerations. The air concludes that of the topic of area topic areas evaluated, the project would not cause significant impacts related to 8 environmental and environmental factors listed here and impacts on air quality, biological resources, cultural resources, geology and soils and tribal cultural resources. Would be potentially significant, but but valid mitigation measures were identified, which would reduce these impacts to a non significant level. Of note, the concludes that the project would potentially cause significant and unavoidable impacts with respect to vehicle miles traveled and greenhouse gas emissions that together are mainly attributable to the anticipated increase in vehicle trips resulting from the project as modeled in accordance with the city's VMT and VMT analysis guidelines. When an results, when EIR concludes a project's effects cannot be mitigated or reduced to a non significant level, the city must document the project's benefits, which can include social and economic reasons and explain how its approval is justified and what is called a statement of overriding considerations. Four considerations were identified for the current project, which included that approval of the project would promote hair, promote health care access, provide a modern and sustainable facility. Fully implement the specific plans objectives for the project site.

And help meet forecasted demand for health care.

As previously noted in February, the planning commissioner reviewed and recommended approval of the project certification of the program and adoption of the related environmental determinations, including the overriding considerations relative to the transportation and greenhouse gas impacts. Here are the motions for the Council's consideration if you agree with the Planning Commission's recommendation and wish to approve the request. Staff, the City's Environmental and Traffic Consultants, and the Applicant's Development Team are here tonight and available to answer any questions, as well as after the public comment period. I'd actually like the applicant to come up and introduce herself. Deborah Wong from the Kaisers Facility Planning.

we bring her up is there any questions or comments from the City Council no okay come on up good evening council members and members of the public my name is Deborah Wong and I'm the land use manager for Kaiser Permanente we are very excited to be here today it is a culmination of years of planning and Um, actually decades of planning, contemplating this, this master plan development as well as this next phase. But it's really kickstarting the beginning of the next phase. So, if the council were to approve our project tonight, we would work to submit our next phase, which is what we call or medical office building number 2. Uh, slash, uh, ambulatory surgery center, um, which we are very eager to, uh, bring forth and, and, uh, have process to the city. Um, just to kind of echo what was previously stated by, uh, by previous speakers. Um, I have to say that your staff has been so helpful, uh, in, in guiding us through this process. Um, and, um, just you, you do have a very top notch, um, uh. City staff and very responsive so very grateful to them for guiding us to this point. Um, I am here to answer any questions that you may have. We also have our architect and engineer if you have any project specific questions.

Here, I have a question. Um. They said something about you coming up in about 2030 correct? Does that mean you're breaking ground in 2030 or you're up and running by 2030?

Well, if we were to get approval tonight, the next phase is what I indicated, the medical office building 2 slash surgery center. If we were to be able to proceed with entitlements for that this year and finish this year, it would be online before 2030.

Thank you. That's a good answer.

And then, sorry, can you just clarify, when would the hospital come to fruition in its entirety?

Yeah, that's a great question. We're estimating, and this is really also for the purposes of doing the technical reports, that it would be 10 years approximately after the completion of the next phase. So the hospital phase is what we're calling phase two. You know, the next phase of development is based on projected demand, so it could move up. It could move out. But that is what we're estimating at this time. Yeah.

I have a question for you, but then for the fire chief first. They mentioned that the hospital building, which is obviously not until Phase 2, is 122 feet or something that they're looking at, seven stories. Do we have anything else out there that's that height in that area?

No, that would be the tallest in that area.

And so what would we do as far as apparatus for that? Is that something where we work with Kaiser to try to get some funding share to – Get something that would be able to service a 7 story facility or.

So, yeah, we, we would, I don't want to take it. We would look at those impacts at the time that building that building is proposed.

Okay. So we don't need to deal with that now. I was just my concern is I don't want to say yes to something here and then not have the ability to deal with that later.

Correct when they, when they go to submit that particular building, there'll be an opportunity to evaluate that type of an impact.

Okay. Thank you.

Just for curiosity, I know we have our ladder will reach our six-story building. Will it reach one more?

It's seven stories, 105-foot area, so it reaches seven stories.

Okay, great. Thank you.

I don't have any other questions. We're going to take public comment right now. Thank you. First public comment is Evan Sanford.

Good evening council chiefs and staff. I'm Evan Sanford, executive director of the Redlands Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber is here to express our support of the proposed master plan project by Kaiser Permanente. The Chamber's role is to advocate for projects that strengthen our local economy, improve our quality of life and position Redlands for long term success. This proposal does that, and it represents a thoughtful-faced investment in healthcare infrastructure that will serve our community, not just for today, but for generations to come. This master plan lays out a long term vision or the next 25 years, starting with that new surgery center and medical office buildings, eventually expanding to include the hospital and additional medical facilities. We're always supportive of taking proactive instead of reactive approaches to our communities issues. And this plan ensures that as Redlands grows. Access to high quality health care grows as well beyond the simple expansion of of access to health care projects like this bring meaningful economic benefits. They create jobs, attract skilled professionals and support the broader business community. And just as importantly, this plan makes Redlands a more attractive place for families and employers who value strong health care systems. We appreciate the phase nature of the plan, which allows the entire development to happen responsibly in alignment with community needs over time, rather than all at once. And that balance between vision and flexibility is strong is something that we strongly stand behind. We have submitted to you a formal letter of support through the city clerk's office. And for these reasons, the Redlands Chamber respectfully urges the city council to support this master plan. Thank you for your consideration.

Public comment is Bruce Laycook

I too, good evening council members and city staff. I too favor very much this new proposed plan, but I do have one significant question that during the presentation that was made, they indicated that there was gonna be a stoplight on California, But as I read the plan, the ambulance entrance is off of Lagonia when the hospital plan comes through. And the average speed of the traffic on Lagonia tends to be higher than it is on California. And so I would just like somebody to think about if you're gonna put only one stoplight in, whether California or Lagonia Avenue might not be the better choice. That's it. Thank you.

Okay. Um, did you want to, do you have your traffic folks here? Did you want to speak to that or not? Your traffic engineer here.

Um, but the, yes, the, the traffic light, uh, there is a technical traffic city, uh, report that was prepared. And the traffic light is on California. It's associated with the main entrance to the building. The ambulance access point is off of Lagonia. That is what we're planning at this time. That would be the entrance for both this next coming phase as well as the hospital phase. There is no traffic light that was called out in the traffic study for Lagonia. So I would have to defer to your traffic engineer. As to why that is.

Yeah, come on come on up.

Evening Council, Paul Herman. I'm with fair and peers. I'm a registered traffic engineer alumni of residence Valley. Go Wildcats. I'm your traffic engineer that was hired to represent the city and do the traffic study. Rather than the consultant or the applicant. So, um, as far as a traffic signal. There's many considerations for why you would put a traffic signal in. Uh, typically you look at. Traffic volumes, um, and the. California entrance is a primary entrance where most traffic cars are or traffic's going to use. That's the only entrance that met a traffic signal warrant for peak hour. Traffic, and that's why, uh, traffic signal was recommended on. California, uh, you don't necessarily just want to record or. Recommend traffic signals for. Any reason you want to put them in for I hear the safety concern, but in this case, even with a ambulance entrance there. With proper signage and with the ambulance sirens, it's not as much of a concern in our opinion.

Thank you Madam city clerk have we received any written comments.

Yes, we received one written comment from Evan Sanford and the Chamber of Commerce as he spoke tonight in support of the project.

The applicant has any rebuttal, if there are any rebuttal you'd like to rebuttal to? No? Okay, thank you. I'll now close the public hearing. What's the wish of the council?

Comments or questions?

Questions or comments, whatever, whichever.

Am I wrong that we don't need an EIR for this?

Is that correct or we do?

The air was prepared for the project it was okay Reason is that we? We're talking about something that's 24-7 once the hospitals built and again I'm not saying I'm for it against it or anything of that sort, but I know we got crucified when we put a Warehouse right next to it, which is only it's not gonna be used 24-7. It's not gonna be Because of the possible pollution when we're talking about a hospital, it's open 24 7, not to mention hospital has every conceivable. Illness that you can have under 1 roof, because that's the thing of a whole hospital. I just want to make sure we have ourselves covered that way.

Yes, an environmental impact report was prepared, as you asked. Their mitigation measures are identified. There are some overriding considerations that are before you tonight. Kevin can reiterate those if you'd like him to. But to answer your question, though, it was prepared. Thank you.

Any other questions or comments from the council?

Yeah, I just want to say I know that this project has been a long time coming and I want to thank you for being here for the presentation and I want to thank Daniel and Susan the government relations side of the house for Kaiser. This project sits in my district. I've toured the current facility and understand clearly where the project will be. I think that was a few years ago at this point. So you really have been keeping me in the loop for quite a long time. And I just want to say that the Inland Empire is one of the most medically underserved regions in our entire state. We desperately need this hospital. That's why I was like, how fast can you build it? So thank you. Thank you very much, again, for the presentation, for choosing Redlands. I know it's been talked about for quite some time. And I am excited to support the project and also understand the overriding considerations We need a hospital, and I know the steps to get there are before us tonight, so thank you.

I just want to thank our planning commission who has vetted this project through its first initial phase, and so I want to thank them for the work of reviewing that and getting it to us. I think they did a great job, so thank you to our planning commission. What's the wish of the council?

I move to adopt resolution number 8763 to certify the final program environmental impact report and to adopt associated findings of fact. a mitigation monitoring and reporting program, and a stating of overriding considerations. Can I do them all at one time? Thank you. I further move that we adopt Resolution 8.764 to approve Amendment No. 8 and Concept Plan No. 1, and I further move to adopt Resolution 8.765 to approve Plan Development No. 6.

We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk?

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Saucedo.

Yes. Thank you. Moving on to item K1. This is a consideration of resolution number 8766, authorizing the city's participation in the San Bernardino Regional Housing Trust Fund Joint Powers Agreement, a JPA, Development Services Assistant Director, Boatman.

Thank you mayor and council for this item. David will provide you a brief presentation.

Good evening, Mayor, City Council, City leadership. Staff recommends that the City Council adopt resolution number 8766, authorizing the city's participation in the Joint Powers Authority, JPA for the establishment of the San Bernardino Regional Housing Trust, SBRHT. Due to the lack of affordable housing, due to high costs and the affordability crisis, City of Redlands is part of the San Bernardino Council of Governance. In 2021, the San Bernardino counts of government governance are all these acronyms created a subcommittee to see how the council and the cities can work together in the county. So, in 2022, the. A JPA joint power authority was created and also the San Bernardino regional housing trust. So the put the the San Bernardino county transit authority in charge and as the administrative agency over the housing trust. So with the housing trust, the. SBCTA was tasked to reach out to multiple cities over a period of 2022 and 2023 to see who would be interested in partnering and looking at options to fund together affordable housing in the county. So the Joint Power Authority is an agreement amongst multiple cities. There was interest amongst 19 cities in this agreement. Amongst the SBC og and nine cities have already decided to move forward with the JPA. So city of Redlands is looking at interest. So the benefits of the JPA is to give the SBC ta authority to apply on our behalf for federal state and private grant funding for affordable housing development. Uh, it's to expand our funding opportunities by pursuing various funding sources, support city housing, element plan of affordable housing, provide regional coordination and administration, attract development interest amongst the region and ensure local representation in the decision of the JPA governance structure. So the cost to the city of Redlands would be approximately 31,000 to 55,000 annually. Um. With the more cities adding onto it, the lower the cost will be. And at year three, the estimation total cost for all the cities will be about $475,000 from year three moving forward. That's my brief presentation. Is there any questions from council?

No. Well, no, I just want to thank you for taking on this responsibility. I sit on the San Bernardino Transportation Authority board, the COG as well. And this was an opportunity for us as a city of Redlands to get on board with other tools in our toolbox to provide affordable housing. We know that it's one of our highest priorities of our city is to provide affordable housing. We have a lot of market rate housing, but we really want to direct and target those families that need opportunities to have their first opportunity for a Homebuyers, and so we really appreciate you taking on this this, uh, responsibility and so we look forward to seeing where this goes. So, thank you, David. Anybody else.

Great Thank you counsel just briefly with respect to the funding is this. This is going to be new funding that we need to program into future budgets. Correct?

This will be coming out of the homeless solutions general funding currently, but for the future, I'll ask that question to Chris.

Yeah, that's it's expected that we'll include that in the biannual budget, sufficient funding and in future budgets if we wish to continue to participate.

Okay.

For the record.

Yeah. And I think that's that's well worth the investment of what opportunities may be out there here for our city. So I think it's a worthwhile investment. Thank you. I have one public comment. Mr. Bruce Laycook.

This is a great idea. The number one priority for state, local, and federal government needs to be to find a way to produce the largest number of affordable units for the lowest possible cost per unit. This cooperative effort which will allow you to apply for grants and other things and raise the profile to make it a larger organization, sounds like it could be a very, very beneficial way to do that. I'm excited about this prospect. And knowing that you, as the city of Redlands, have been in such a leadership position in dealing with affordable housing and hopelessness issues, I just want to say thank you and commend you for this idea and moving it forward. And I fully support it. Thank you.

Okay. Any other questions or comments? What's the wish of the council?

I move to adopt resolution 8766, authorizing the city of Redlands participate in the joint powers authority established San Bernardino Regional Housing Trust.

Second.

We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk?

Council Member Baric. Yes. Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Sacito.

Yes. Moving on to item K2. This is a consideration of a resolution number 8768, approving amendments for the Redlands Police Department. Rennes Police Department Safety Hall Project Phase 1 for the total amount not to exceed $3,494,000 and an additional appropriation in the amount of $3,494,000 to the safety... CITY HALL REPLACEMENT FUND AND DETERMINE THAT THE APPROVAL IS EXEMPT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SECTION 150631, 15061B3 OF THE STATE GUIDELINES IMPLEMENTING THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT AND FACILITIES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR KROKER.

I'll take this one, actually. So I'm going to call Tricia Munoz, our management analyst, to present this item. And I'm going to ask her to stay up for the following also. But before she starts, I just want to briefly say that I think as many know, I've been here since 2007. And I remember when I first got here talking about a new police station. And here we are almost 20 years later. This is the first action actually making a physical change where construction starts. So I'm very excited to be a part of it. I'm excited to see this come before the council tonight. And with that, I'll have Tricia give you a presentation.

Thank you.

Stole my thunder. Good evening, honorable mayor, city council members, and fellow city staff. Tonight we have two agreements to begin the groundwork for the new Redlands Police Department Safety Hall project. The two agreements are for the demo and abatement and also the earthwork that needs to be completed to kick off the project. With that, we have approximately 14 bids total for the demolition and abatement, and there were 12 bids for the earthwork, of which Greenleaf Engineering got the agreement for the demo and abatement, and Doja Inc. will be getting the agreement for the earthwork. And with that, do you have any questions?

Any questions for staff? No? All right. Thank you. We have a couple of public comments.

Okay.

Thank you. Mr. Steven Rogers. Oh. Okay. Oh. Mr. Let's see. We have Antonius. Okay. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. I just want to be on the right page. Okay.

I'm 27 years old, and I'm running for Congress in California, 33. I'm here to speak about the use of $3.5 million of, I think it's reserve funding, correct, for this project and for this new facility and another million dollars that would be used for the study of the land. This is happening regularly. This vote is happening about a few months after. The city of Redlands, their unified district had to lay off 138 teachers, 138 staff. And laying off teachers and not funding our schools will not solve the long-term problems in our communities. And this is a concern many have in local federal governance where we always have money for police and war, but our schools and our healthcare system struggle. So I ask to just consider funding our schools too, even if you fund this project.

Thank you. I don't have any other speaker slips and I don't see anybody on zoom. Yep.

Paul's got something.

Paul? I just want to- That's my branch.

I'm sorry. Funding for the school, that's done not by the city of Redlands. That's all done by bonds and property tax and so on. That's controlled by the city. the Board of Education, and that's who you should be able to talk to. Obviously, we support the fire. We have fire and police and stuff like that. We have a problem, but anything to do with more education, that's got to be issued by the school board. So maybe you can pressure them to get that done.

Thank you.

I have sympathy for you, but again, it's not our part of it.

Mr. Laycook, did you have something? Please fill out a speaker slip after.

Yes, I have a quick question, and that is, there's two pieces of this, and one of them is raising the old building and dealing with the property. Given that that building was there for many, many years, I heard the word abatement. I don't understand quite, as a layperson, why raising a building that big and dealing with, because they had an auto repair bay on the east side of that building, why there's no CEQA concerned. And maybe it's because the way the proposal was drawn, it dealt with abatement of potential petroleum or other chemicals related to the car repair facility that was there. But it just seems intuitive to me that raising a building that size, that was built that long ago, there might be issues. So my question is, why is it not a CEQA concern? I'm not saying it should be, I don't understand as a layperson what triggers that, but it just seems on a scale that size, given what you're doing, that maybe there should be some environmental impact that Iowa as a citizen would be concerned about, thank you.

Okay, so I guess my question is to respond to that. That's what I was going to ask. Okay, thank you.

Yeah, so I think the answer is basically a two-part answer. So part one is the project is exempt from CEQA as articulated in the staff report, but concerning specifically the concern of soil contamination, there is soil testing that's done as part of the project and was actually done during our due diligence. So it didn't raise any triggers that would necessitate further review.

Okay. Any other questions, comments? What's the wish of the council?

I move the city council fine that approving resolution number 8768 is exempt from environmental review pursuant to 15061B3 of the state guidelines implementing the California Environmental Quality Act and I move that the City approve Resolution 8768, and I move the City Council approve an additional appropriation for the amount of $3,494,000. Second. We have a motion and a second.

Madam City Clerk?

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda. Yes. Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Sacito.

Yes. Moving on to Item K3, consideration of a professional service agreement with Geocon West, Inc. for special inspection services For the city's new police station police department, safety hall facility, and an additional appropriation in the amount of 764,000 dollars from the general fund reserve for future facilities and determination. That the approval of the agreement is exempt from the California environmental quality act pursuant to section 15 06, 1 B3 of the sequel guidelines, assistant city manager Bowman.

Thank you. This item again, Trisha will give you a presentation on.

Thank you honorable mayor council members staff. This goes in conjunction with our agreements that we're approving tonight for the demo earthwork and the abatement. This will cover special inspections material testing throughout the duration of the project. So this is from demolition grading all the way through construction to make sure that special inspections. Testing in addition to what we've already done to ensure that the project can start timely will be completed and agreement will be in the amount of 764,000 as mentioned. And do you have any questions for me?

Yeah, go ahead. When is this going to be when we're going to start doing this if we approve it tonight?

Okay. If you approve it tonight. Great question. So, I think we pulled everybody earlier on availability for April 21st. We're considering the groundbreaking at 330. you guys will probably be getting an invitation once this is approved tonight and that is the day. April 21st is what we're targeting for looking forward to.

We've been promising the city a new police station for 20 plus years. Exactly. At least right.

Yeah, and this consolidates for their facilities into 160,000 square foot.

This is good. Good for the city of Redlands and the citizens. Yes.

All right. No more questions.

Yeah, I did. After the buildings demolished, the surrounding parking lot, will that remain until that needs to be pulled up or will that be part of this contract?

So the surrounding parking lots have a representative, Drew, from Tilden Coil here tonight.

I'll help answer that, and then Drew can come up if I'm wrong. The entire site's getting demolished and graded. So this is prep work for the entire site to be redeveloped.

Thank you. That was my only question. Thank you. Thank you. What's the wish of the council?

No public comment.

I don't see any. I don't have any public comment. Okay.

I move that the city council find that approval for professional services agreement with West Inc for special inspection services for the city's new police department safety hall facility. Is exempt from the California environmental quality act pursuant to section 15061 B3 of the secret guidelines. I moved the city council approved the professional services agreement with West Inc for special inspection services for the city's new police department safety hall facility. And I move that the City Council approve an additional appropriation in the amount of $764,000 from the General Fund reserved for future facilities.

Second. I have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Salcido. Yes.

Sorry. Right on the button. Sorry. Okay. All right. Moving on to item K4. which is the consideration of First Amendment to the agreement with Western AV for the provision of Council Chamber's audio-visual system to increase to the total agreement from $533,315.95 to the amount not to exceed $581,838,037. Facilities and Community Services Director

Bowman got it everything. Thank you on this item last December. The council approved an agreement for 503,000 dollars to support the new system, which will be implemented in the new council chambers at the future city hall. Uh, this subsequently the city implemented a new agenda management system that and that that system was not scoped as part of the original work. Therefore this, uh, this. portion of the amendment will add hardware necessary to support the new agenda management system.

That's the system that Mr. Lake hook likes, right?

I hope so.

Okay. Any questions or comments from the council? I do have a speaker slip. Mr. Bruce.

I did not know that was why it was being added. That's interesting. Um. I got a good answer from 1 of the staff members today about what why the system was increased. I do. Have a, uh. a request that perhaps for significant technical configurations like networks and audiovisual systems that are as complex as this one is, that you might want to suggest the vendor provide a CAD drawing of what all the parts and pieces are because Again, I'm a former IT guy. I looked through that shopping list, the things that you're ordering, and I had no idea about why we needed the additions. But having a diagram like that is a good way for you as staff to make sure that all of the components that are listed on the diagram and all the components that are listed on the shopping list coincide and are complete. It's not something that I understand the city staff probably has time to do, but this kind of project is complicated and has a lot of technical components and potential points of failure. And so having a diagram that you could present to the city council and so that lay staff and citizens could understand it better, I think would be a real plus because there was no explanation of why you are adding this and saying, hey, the reason we're doing this is to accommodate the new agenda management system as a part of the explanation for the additional expenditure. That would have been good to know. Thank you very much. Okay.

I'll move to approve the first amendment to the agreement with Western AV for the provision of Council Chambers audio video system to increase the total agreement amount from $533,315.95 to an amount not to exceed $581,838.37. Second. I have a motion and a second.

Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Sacito.

Yes. Moving on to item K-5, consideration of an approval of a parking license agreement with Town Square Development Group, LLC, for public parking at the Redlands Mall property approximately... $349,008 annually developmental services, develop, develop services, assistant director, city manager.

I got this one too.

Okay.

Uh, for this, I'd like to call up, um, our economic development coordinator, Ross Whitman, who will present this item.

All right. Good evening, mayor and council. I'll try to stick to my three minutes. The item before you this evening is a parking license agreement with Town Square Development Group LLC for the continued use of the Redlands Mall parking lot. As you are aware, the Redlands Mall property has historically served as one of the most significant sources of parking in the downtown area. While the site is privately owned and not formally designated as public parking, it has functioned as such for many years, providing convenient access for residents, visitors and downtown businesses. In late 2025, Town Square Development Group acquired the property and is preparing to begin demolition activities later this month as they evaluate potential revisions to the approved redevelopment project. Under typical circumstances, a project of this nature would involve full site demolition at once, as that approach is more efficient and reduces cost and liability exposure for the property owner. Despite those considerations, Town Square has been willing to work collaboratively with the City to allow continued public access to a portion of the site during this transition period. The agreement before you reflects that collaboration. It allows the City to continue providing access to the parking spaces on a temporary, revocable, and non-exclusive basis while demolition and future redevelopment planning are underway. Maintaining access during active demolition does present practical challenges, including coordinating access, maintaining lighting and safety and ensuring the site remains operational for public use. The agreement outlines responsibilities between the city and the property owner to address these issues and allow the lot to remain usable during this interim period. The agreement includes an initial term through April 7th, 2029, but it is intentionally structured to remain flexible. The city may terminate the agreement with short notice, and it is anticipated that the agreement would end earlier once full construction activity begins on the site. As consideration, the city will pay a monthly lease of 29,084 dollars or approximately 349,000 dollars annually. Funding for the remainder of this fiscal year, approximately $81,000, is available within the facilities and community services development budget, and future costs will be incorporated into the city's upcoming biennial budget. If portions of the parking area become unavailable due to construction, the agreement provides for reimbursement on a per-space basis. The property owner will also continue to maintain key elements of the site, including landscaping and accessibility improvements to support ongoing public use. In summary, while this is a privately owned site, this agreement preserves a critical parking resource for the downtown during a period of transition and reflects a cooperative effort between the city and the property owner to balance redevelopment with continued public access. I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

Any questions for our staff? If not, I have a public speaker, Mr. Dennis Bell.

First of all, I want to echo Mr. Laco's comments regarding problems with the online agenda. I had the same problems. Then at one time, the city owned the mall parking, but not the mall itself. For some reason, the city stupidly and foolishly sold it. Now it looks like the city is buying it back. The mall owner has the city over the proverbial barrel when it comes to parking. The city needs it and the mall owner has it. This is another example of the city's failed leadership with its misdirected priorities, where community and historic surveys and art master plans are more important than taking care of business. And this item is just in time for where this mythical 30,000 attendees to the bike classic can park. Lastly, Charles Dickens wrote a book titled The Tale of Two Cities in 1859. The opening sentences of the book are quote, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, unquote. The above described London and Paris at that time. It also describes the Donut Hole in Redlands. The Donut Hole has a waiting list of businesses wanting to locate there, while Redlands has empty storefronts and an empty mall. Thank you.

Next public speaker is Evan Sanford.

No quotes from Charles Dickens, unfortunately. Good evening once again, Council, Chiefs and staff. I'm Evan Sanford, Executive Director of the Redlands Chamber. The Chamber supports this proposed parking license agreement between the City of Redlands and Town Square Development Group. It should come as no surprise to anyone in this room that parking in the downtown area one of the chamber's primary areas of interest and the impact of redevelopment at the mall site is at the heart of the problem of parking here in redlands since 2022 the chamber's been before you going on record at every opportunity to make sure that the city takes this seriously and ultimately be prepared for as we've been saying when the fences go up And parking is reduced or unavailable to the public tonight. We are so glad, but even more. We're grateful to see that the city is taking this major step in finding the funds to ensure that as much public parking as possible remains available. This parking is vital for the downtown area, especially with large events like the Redlands bike classic coming up. It's noted in the discussion about this agenda item that parking in the mall lot has, quote, played a key role, unquote, to allow large scale events to take place in our city. And once again, the Chamber could not agree more with the statement and are happy to hear that the city is now considering the effect that parking has on the success of our downtown events. By the way, these events make our community both unique and stronger while also providing more economic development benefits, including additional sales tax. So as we anxiously await for the exterior demolition to begin, along with knowing what the developers are planning for the site, The Chamber is ready, willing, and able to be helpful when it comes to more long-term solutions for parking in downtown Redlands. We're grateful for the Council's previous support of the Chamber's proposed use of this current site to be a mixed-use parking and commercial facility. That feasibility study has concluded and exceeded expectations. So we look forward to moving forward that long term solution and add to the total supply of parking in our downtown area for generations to come. Thanks for your consideration.

Thank you.

Any questions or comments for staff? I don't see, I don't have any public speakers on Zoom. Mr. City Manager?

I would just say in relation to this item, it is a far, far better thing that I do than I have ever done, and it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known after this meeting.

Oh, very good. Very good. Okay, what's the wish of the council?

Okay, I'll move to approve a parking license agreement with Townsport Development Group LLC for the use of the Redland small parking lot for public parking.

Second. Motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric. Yes. Council Member Tejeda. Yes. Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw. Yes. Mayor Saucedo.

Yes. Mayor, before you move on, can we ask for an update? I know that we had received information that demolition was going to start about a month ago, and it appears obviously things are kind of stalled. Is there an update you could provide, just so everybody knows?

Yes, uh, so they, uh, the, the property owner was working through some, um, requests from the, those issues have been, uh, resolved and at this point, they're just waiting for the bike classic to, to, um, finalize and, and, uh, for those, those temporary measures to be, um, moved away. And then they'll, they'll start construct, they'll start demolition of, um, I believe the Denny's immediately after that.

Moving on to item K6, consideration of a First Amendment to the Professional Service Agreement with Eurofins, Eaton, and Analytical, now... Aerofins Drinking Water and Wastewater West LLC to increase the compensation amount to $80,000 for the first extension term, increasing the local compensation to not exceed the amount of $440,000 and authorize an additional appropriation in the amount of $40,000 from the water fund and $40,000 from the wastewater fund. Municipal Utilities and Engineering Director Heredia.

Good evening, Mayor Saucedo, Mayor Pro Tem Mark Shaw, council members, staff and the public. It is an honor to be here tonight on my second day. I'm really excited about this opportunity and I thank the city manager for giving me that opportunity to serve this beautiful city of Redlands and I look forward to working with the staff. I'm already impressed and I echo what some of the public has mentioned about the staff and the level of service that they provide. So my hope is to continue with that and make it even better and improve it if possible. So. The item you have before you tonight is the First Amendment to the Professional Services Agreement with Eurofins, Eaton Analytical, now Eurofins Drinking Water and Wastewater West, LLC, and to authorize an additional appropriation in the amount of 40,000 from the Water Fund and 40,000 from the Wastewater Fund for laboratory sample analysis required for regulatory compliance. Have the city engineer here if there's any questions if I can't answer them.

Thank you. Yeah, I will ask a question Are we sending out all of our samples out there or there are some samples that we're doing in-house?

I believe we're doing in-house sampling, but there's some, I guess, some shortage of experienced staff and some required, or we have to retest, so this is for as-needed basis, again, to meet regulatory requirements.

Okay, thank you. There probably are some new standards and some new things to sample for.

Possibly, yes.

Okay, thank you. Any other questions? If not, I have any speaker slips. I don't see anybody on Zoom. What's the wish of the council?

I move the City Council approve First Amendment to Professional Service Agreement with Ural Finn Eaton Analysis, now Ural Finn Drinking Water and Wastewater West LLC, to increase the compensation amount by $80,000 for the first extended term and authorize an additional appropriation in the amount of $40,000 for the water fund and for... I'm sorry, from... amount $40,000 from the water fund and from $40,000 from the wastewater fund.

Second. I have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric.

Yes.

Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Saucedo.

Yes. Moving on to item K7, consideration of a public works construction contract with R&J Construction LLC for wastewater treatment plant, hillside stabilization, and stairway improvements projects for an amount not to exceed $449,236 and determination that the project is categorically exempt from environmental review pursuant to section 15304, of the state guidelines implementing the California Environmental Quality Act, Municipal Utilities and Engineering Director Heredia.

So this item before you is for a construction contract with R&J Construction LLC for the hillside stabilization and stairway improvements at the wastewater treatment plant for an amount not to exceed $449,236 and to determine that the project is categorically exempt under the CEQA guidelines. This project was advertised, and there were eight bidders that submitted bids on February 12th. The lowest responsive bidder is R&J Construction.

Okay, thank you. I don't have any speaker slips. I don't see anybody on Zoom. Madam Director, and maybe Gotam will know, with this action, will that start the new buildings of both the lab and the administrative offices?

I'm going to let the City Engineer answer that question. Thank you.

Could you repeat the question again, please?

So with this action, should it pass, will that, have we started the construction of both the buildings up on top of the hillside?

Yeah, the lab building is already in construction right now. Okay. But this project will start, but there will not be any interference with the lab building.

Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other questions? What's the wish of the council?

I move that the city count to determine the approval of Public Works construction contract with R and J construction LLC for the water treatment plant Hillside stabilization stairway improvement project is categorically exempt from the environmental review pursuant to section 15 304 of the state guidelines implementing California Environmental Quality Act and I move the city approve the wastewater treatment plant hillside stabilization stairway improvement project plan assessment award to Public Works Construction Contract to R&J Construction LLC for the amount not to exceed $449,236. Second. Motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Councilmember Barrett.

Yes.

Councilmember Tejeda.

Yes.

Councilmember Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Saucedo.

Yes. Moving on to item K-8, consideration of a first amendment to the professional service agreement with Hicks and Hartwick, Inc. to increase the extended term compensation to $197,000, increasing the total compensation to a not-to-exceed amount of $297,000 and authorize an additional appropriation of $97,000 for the Street General Fund Municipal Utilities and Engineering Director Heredia.

So this item before you is for the First Amendment to Professional Services Agreement with the on-call engineering firm Hicks & Hardwick. And to authorize an additional appropriation of 97,000 from the streets general fund to complete the design of the 7th and 9th street parking lot project that was. Discussed earlier.

Okay, thank you. I don't have any speakers left. I don't see any speakers on zoom.

I'll move to approve the 1st amendment to the professional services agreement with Hicks and Hardwick Inc. I moved to authorize an additional appropriation of 97,000 dollars from the streets general fund.

Second.

We have a moat. Did you have a question?

No, no, I just have a comment. I'm glad we're using a local firm, Redlands firm. Thank you.

All right, good. We have a motion and a second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric. Yes. Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Sacido.

Yes. We are pulling, remember pulling item K-9, so we're going on to item K-10. This is a consideration of an interim governmental purchase of networking equipment for the State Street City Hall building in the amount of $277,448 to Go Connection Management Services and Finance Director Garcia.

Thank you, Mayor and members of the Council. Tonight, Eric Owens, our Information Technology Manager, will provide a brief report on this item.

Thank you.

Good evening mayor and city council members this item for you request approval for to purchase network equipment for state street city hall building. The updated infrastructure is required to support essential technology services and ensure the facility is fully operational upon occupancy. The procurement includes networks, which is wireless access points, uninterruptible power supplies and patch cables. All equipment will be purchased through an existing competitively bid contract to obtain the best available pricing. And I'm available to answer any questions that may come up.

Any questions for staff? If not, I have one speaker slip. Mr. Bruce Laycook. Our last speaker.

My comment on this is similar to the 1 on K, 4 regarding having a schematic design of the. The network proposal. The new agenda management system made it very difficult for me to get through the things. Unfortunately, with Betsy's help, I was able to find the last attached item, which had the complete GovConnection pick list. But there's a lot of technical stuff there. I do have one as a former IT network administrator. I have a question, and that is, are the uninterruptible power supplies, are they...

Like direct your questions over here.

I'm sorry. Are the uninterruptible power supplies. Um. What duration are they supposed to provide battery backup for? And will, I assume, the City Hall is going to have its own power generator system and backup so that the business of doing government at the new City Hall won't be impacted if there's a temporary Edison power interruption. Again, the design, I'm not questioning the design of the component list. It's just, there's no way for you as council members to know whether that list of stuff that you're being told to approve does all the things that it's supposed to do. And a design diagram that would show you what all those parts and pieces are might give you a higher degree of confidence. And I'm not saying that it doesn't, it's just that it's a very technically complex proposal and therefore offers the opportunity for things to be missed. Thank you very much.

Okay, any questions for staff or any rebuttal? Okay, I don't see, I don't have any other speaker slips or I don't see anybody on Zoom. What's the wish of the council? I move to approve the purchase of network equipment for the State Street City Hall building from GovConnection in the amount of $277,448. Second. We have a motion to second. Madam City Clerk.

Council Member Baric. Yes. Council Member Tejeda.

Yes.

Council Member Davis. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw.

Yes.

Mayor Sacito.

Yes. We move on to item L1, which is individual council member reports on activities for March 2026. Mayor Pro Tem Shaw has already submitted his. We'll start over here. Aha, gotcha. Council Member Baric.

Thank you. I have the honor of attending the Liberty Lane ribbon cutting. I was so glad we finally had it. I know we've been fighting to put this thing together for some time, and it's here, and I've got to admit it. Absolutely fabulous, fabulous facility and I understand we have it on what 99% filled already. So that's good. I, the mayor and I attended the meeting on these donkey. I don't know the cruelly the donkeys. And it's just appalling and I was glad to see there was a lot of people besides ourselves. It was about 500 people. At that, so maybe even larger, because it was standing room only. And we really need to do something. There's no excuse for cruelty to any animals, much less those donkeys out there. Speaking of animals, I attended the ribbon cutting of a new vet over there on the corner of San Mateo and Brookside. And glad to have another business in town. We sure need some vets to take care of the animals.

Council Member Davis.

Thanks so much. I had my Redlands Youth Council meeting. This time we went to the fire station. Always wonderful to get a tour there, so thank you all very much. Beyond that, I attended an event over the weekend for Building a Generation, a great local nonprofit. They're celebrating their 30th anniversary. Last week I attended the Omnitrans board meeting, and directly after the board meeting, it was a 50th anniversary event for Omnitrans. It was great to be there for that.

That's remember to Heather.

Thank you mayor. I had spring break over the time since the last meeting. At work, and so I use that time productively and met with 1 bargaining unit and our chiefs of police and fire had good discussions also enjoyed a wonderful Easter this past Sunday. So. Hope everybody else did as well.

Thank you. I attended a ribbon-cutting for a business called Sunrise. I attended the Inland Empire Regional Caliga Cities in Yucaipa. Again, it was already mentioned that we are wanting to, well, we did attend both the donkey community meeting that was very helpful and insightful to see all the support for our wild donkeys. I also attended a Caliga City policy meeting Attended the Common Vision Coalition Rock and Roll for our special needs community out of Citrus Valley High School. Attended the Food Task Force and Child Nutrition. And then also attended a Vietnam veteran dinner and spoken on the city's behalf. Attended, as already mentioned, the Liberty Land of Veterans Housing. Attended the Sunrise Chamber of Commerce Rise and Shine. Attended the Community Easter Sunrise Service out here on Vine Street. Um, and also on Monday, um, met with representatives from Kaiser and also went to the San Bernardino County Transportation Authority, where a congressman, Pete Aguilar, um, provided funding from the federal government for the, um. Redlands and Highland bicycle and pedestrian connector and then yesterday met for the first time our new municipal utilities director Monica Heredia at our public works and municipal utilities and Public Works Commission and So that's all I have and so I want to thank everybody for their patience and thank everybody for coming out today We stand adjourned to our next City Council meeting. Thank you so much. Have a good evening