Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Welcome to a new episode of the Open Day Order, where we take you behind the scenes of the people, programs and partnerships that serve the county of Caen. I am Bruce Grove.

And I am Bess Molachi. Today, we are going to talk about one of the oldest applications of the Maryland law, but also about an organization that many people may not know much about, the Maryland Natural Resources Police.

When most people think of the Natural Resources Police, they probably imagine police officers patrolling waterways or checking fishing permits, but their responsibilities go far beyond that.

C'est exact. Ces agents protègent les ressources naturelles du Maryland, font respecter les lois sur la conservation, répondent aux urgences sur terre et sur l'eau, mènent des opérations de recherche et de sauvetage et travaillent en étroite collaboration avec les organismes locaux, étatiques et fédéraux pour assurer la sécurité des résidents et des visiteurs.

Nous sommes aujourd'hui rejoints par le caporal Norris Shannon et le caporal Devon Deer de la police des ressources naturelles du Maryland. Nous avons hâte d'en savoir plus sur leur carrière, l'histoire de l'agence et les nombreuses façons dont ils servent les communautés ici sur la côte est. Que vous soyez un passionné de navigation, un pêcheur, un amateur de plein air ou que vous vous demandiez simplement ce que fait la police des ressources naturelles, nous pensons que vous apprécierez la conversation d'aujourd'hui. Très bien, je pense qu'il est temps de commencer. Il est temps pour nous d'aller prendre un café en haute mer. J'essaie d'y faire quelque chose. Quoi qu'il en soit, je considère ce podcast comme un cas ouvert. Que se passe-t-il ensuite avec QAC? Découvrez les coulisses avec Bruce et Beth. La conversation façonne l'avenir du comté. Voici l'ordre du jour ouvert. Bess and I are very enthusiastic today, because we often say how great it is to learn something new when we do these podcasts. Our guests today come from the Ministry of Natural Resources of Maryland. They are their police. And man, it's going to be cool to ask you some of these questions, because I don't know you enough. So we invited two people today. We have Norris and Devon. And we're going to ask you to introduce yourself. Tell us how long you've been an agent at DNR and what motivates you.

Great, great. Oh, thank you. First of all, thank you very much for inviting us. I am a corporal in the Maryland Natural Resources Police. I got hired in 1999. I was recruited at the University of Maryland Eastern Shore. My parents are both biologists. My father was the director of wild fish and fauna for the state of Minnesota before we moved here. My mother is a toxicologist and my father specializes in aquaculture. So I have some experience in this field. I had the chance to discover the police of natural resources and to be recruited by them. I was one of the twelve agents of my academy at the time when we had the academy here in Mattheil. It is now attached to the training commission of the Maryland police. Our academy at the time lasted almost a year, because we had to be certified as police officers, but we also had to spend a month learning to navigate and to draw maps. But now, we have terrestrial navigation with men following and of course, you have, you know, the training in fishing and hunting, which is very extensive. So that's how I started. I have been here for almost 28 years now, and I want to say that it happened in a blink of an eye, and I attribute this to the fact that the work was simply great. It's just a great job. You know, I remember that at the beginning, one of my sergeants told me that I had about 7 years left and I remember thinking it was a whole life. It's a whole life and now, I close my eyes and I'm literally ready to move on to the next step of my life. So... Wow!

And we have Devon with us, who, as we have just discovered, is by far the oldest person on the podcast today. Devon, introduce yourself. Tell us a little bit about your career. Yeah, I'm also a caporal. I just got promoted recently, actually. I'm still thinking about it. E. But yeah, I started the academy in 2020. So, I've been patrolling for five or six years. Five and a half, six years. E. I've been in the county of Kent for a year and a half, two years and I'm now working in the county of Quinan. E. My father and my grandfather have both taken a deep respect for nature and hunting, and since I was practically born. They made me hunt outside and all that. So I just knew that it was something that I wanted to continue to do for my children, the children of others, just to have this nature that people could appreciate, whether it's fishing, hunting, and just because it can get tired if you don't control it. So it's very important for me to continue like that.

Yeah, very cool. So, and I wanted in a way to see what decided you to start in this role rather than in an ordinary public security role, what made you think of the Ministry of Natural Resources rather than a simple police officer?

Uh, that's pretty much what I said there, as far as wanting to continue like that, uh, my father had a very long experience in the army and the police. Uh, so I wanted to use that, but I also wanted to like what I was doing. So, I looked at different police services and what their daily life was like, and it's just not something I could really, what they do is really worth it, but it's just not something I wanted to do for 30 years in itself. So, the conservation area is what I see myself doing, and it's very gratifying to be able to be respected. Yes, I agree. It's extremely gratifying. And I was a little lucky. Eux, j'étais étudiant en justice pénale et c'était un peu comme regarder différents services et eux j'ai fait un stage au ministère des ressources naturelles, qui est notre tutelle. Many people call us DNR. They are DNR agents or in fact it is the police of natural resources. Okay. We are responsible for the protection of the DNR which includes things like pleasure navigation or forestry and things of this nature. So, we are the branch in charge of the application of the law of the Ministry of Natural Resources, the police of natural resources. But speaking of gratification, as we have such a good balance between professional and private life. And I think it's a little different for us. I think it takes about five years for most agents to become competent. Not necessarily good at their job, but just competent. We're just talking about the forces of the traditional order or the application of the law in general. But for us, you could tell me about your experience, but I think we all have to live through it for the first five or six years because there are so many things to learn. So, we really get into it as soon as we get there. And because you have to learn not only to know the laws, but also to navigate? How to navigate at night? You know, how to make these boats work at night or, you know, how to know when such or such a fish has been fished? You know, if they have been for a while, if it has decreased a little? There are all these little things that we have to learn. They have to be there and we meet to talk about business. And I think all agents do that, but especially for us because we are only 260 for the whole state. Each agent is responsible for about 1,900 square miles. So we are scattered. When we meet, we like to talk about our experience, especially when we arrive for the first time, for example, what have you learned or what experiences have you experienced? We can thus learn from each other. But it's gratifying. I mean, I sailed from Annapolis to South River in the middle of the night and I have the feeling that no other agent does what we do. It's really unique for us. So I'm very proud of it and it's very gratifying. Yeah. And you almost answered the next question where we wanted you to describe the agency and its mission. We can go into more detail on this subject, but Bess and I were just talking to you before we started recording. Yeah. Nous ne savions pas exactement ce que vous faisiez et c'était, vous savez, la blague de savoir que vous surveillez les gens qui pêchent. Je sais que tu fais ça, mais en fait, je savais. Ouais, je sais que c'est bien plus que ça.

Je savais que je devais obtenir un permis de pêche pour mon fils cette année parce qu'il a eu 16 ans et c'était à peu près tout.

C'est vrai, ouais, mais ça doit être bien plus que ça. Donc, si tu pouvais en parler parce que je me dis, oh mon Dieu. En plus de ça, il y a cette grande chose appelée la baie, qui va dans toutes ses zones différentes. Je suis sûr que ton travail change selon l'endroit, à la minute, à la seconde presque, n'est-ce pas ? C'est vrai. And depending on where you are, I mean, an agent working in the county of Saint Mary's will have a completely different job than someone who works in the county of Gareth, or in Annapolis, or even in Ocean City. What do men and women do there? You know, we started with the huître navy in 1868, when there were all these violent fights for shells in the bay. And we evolved from there to become PLUIN. Finally, when I arrived, we were almost exclusively focused on fish, fur and feathers. It was really our main mission, conservation, the application of the law. And since that time, during the 27 years I've been there, we have become more and more an internal security, research and rescue service specialized in conservation. And we, we have to be because we are so few and we are so specialized that no one else does what we do. So, you know, we wear a lot of different hats for the inhabitants of the state of Maryland. And that's why our academy is so long. I would say that our average officer leaves the academy with probably four times more skills than a traditional officer. Wow! And I mean that the average police school can last from 3 to 6 months, sometimes a little longer, but generally not as long as ours. Because not only do we have as evoke, we have to learn to drive vehicles at high speed and to wield firearms and to respect constitutional law like all other agents, but also to learn to drive a boat, you know. And just like sailing in the bay is a specialized skill. It's something that no one can do. Do you have any?

People who come and who have never driven a boat? People come and don't know how to swim.

Yeah. Very good. Yeah, yeah, uh. Like, I know, I know how to swim. I'll make it. With all this equipment, uh, how do we have to be like that? Yeah, yeah, okay.

Yeah, no, I'll be down there carrying that. And so you talked a little bit about the police of oysters. Uh, what are the biggest stages of evolution, in your opinion?

So, after the War of Secession, oysters have become very popular, especially in the state of Maryland, where we started to specialize in the industry of conserving. No one was really at the same level as us in terms of conserving. We therefore send oysters not only across the country, but sometimes also beyond the sea. And then, they were almost called white gold, you know, and we had three pressures. There was the technological pressure, because there were pincers and drags that were disputed over the ways of harvesting oysters. You know, the dragging is very effective, but it is also very damaging for the bar. There was the economic pressure, then we also had the legal pressure. So, you had people coming from Virginia who were going up into the waters of Maryland. There was therefore a lot of pressure for this very limited resource at the time, which was not regulated. That's it, that's also what started ours. Heritage of regulation in the state of Maryland, the regulation of natural resources. And so, from there, people were literally losing their lives because of crustaceans. This is how the Austrian Navy was born. Since. We have progressed and we have developed, and as a small organization, it is interesting, because we have a competence at the state level. We are responsible for public and private lands. We are responsible for all navigable routes. So, from the PTOAC to the PUXEN through the Baie de Chesse, the affluents, all that, and you currently have 200, 260 agents responsible for all this. So, we had to follow an in-depth training and I am an instructor for the department and I had the honor and privilege to help train other departments and instruct other agents. So, my former team leader, when I was in the TAC team, used to say that we only know what we know. J'ai donc eu l'occasion d'observer d'autres départements et de voir où nous en étions et où nous en sommes. Et d'autres instructeurs sont venus me voir et m'ont dit, vous êtes là où nous voulons être, ce qui représente un énorme changement par rapport à notre époque où nous étions en train de rattraper notre retard. Maintenant, nous commençons à prendre les devants dans certains domaines. Donc oui, ça a vraiment évolué. Euh, et comme je l'ai dit quand je suis arrivé, tout était vraiment axé sur là.

Navigation and your skills in terms of piloting. I mean, veterans, that's what they judged you for, it was your skills in terms of piloting. So, the way you navigate, they, at night, they get you out of the middle. For example, one of my former instructors put me on a boat and he put newspaper around the cabin, inside the cabin, and, they, they got on the runway, and we had to establish a speed and time board. So, he knew on which cape I would be at what time and when to change the cape, then he made sure I was not in any danger. But it was this level of intimacy with the bay and the water and knowing how to navigate. So, you know, and it's very specialized, as I said. And I worked at the academy for a while, and I told my guys, you know, we are very privileged and honored to be in this position and, to receive the training and to create a precedent for the state. So yes, I am very proud of it.

Yes, this fly, it is with us today. Et nous parlons de l'histoire et nous n'avons pas mis cela dans l'émission. Mais cela m'a juste fait réfléchir parce que j'ai fait une visite la semaine dernière de la région de Naroz. Et de la façon dont c'était autrefois un grand bidonville. Donc j'imagine que cela aurait été votre juridiction, n'est-ce pas ? Comme les bidonvilles autour de l'eau, tous ces bateaux qui entrent et sortent. Est-ce que cela aurait été de votre ressort ? Tout sur l'eau. Ouais, c'est dingue. Ouais, donc pour les gens qui nous écoutent et qui sont dans le comté de Queens, c'est à quel point c'est impliqué ici. Ce n'est pas seulement, vous savez, le grand plan d'eau qui nous relie à l'autre côté du Maryland.

Même les petits étangs de votre région, vous savez, sont approvisionnés, comme nous le vérifions. Et c'est ce qu'il y a dans notre travail, c'est qu'il n'y a pas de journée type. And we have a lot of freedom in our work. For example, our boss doesn't call us in the morning saying, I want you to go here. I want you to go here. To be a good NRP agent, you must have a relationship with your community. You must know what the activity consists of. So, it changes a little from one day to the next. So, when I was in the county of Prince George, we had a boat at the national port. So, if I wanted to go take it, if I said to myself, well, it's a very nice day. People will probably be on a boat. Je pourrais aller jusqu'au port national, sauter sur mon bateau et patrouiller sur l'eau depuis le pont Woodrow Wilson jusqu'à la limite du comté, et voir qui est là, ce qu'ils font. Je pourrais vérifier l'équipement de sécurité, m'assurer que les gens opèrent en toute sécurité, ainsi que m'assurer que les gens ont leur permis de pêche ou autre. Et c'est la même chose à Annapolis. Annapolis est une zone très très animée. It's much more animated than Prince George's county. Prince George's county has its activities. Annapolis has its activities. The county of Sainte-Marie has its activities. So, they are all very specialized. And I find that if you are an officer like that, you get a promotion and you have to go to another county to take this position, it's almost as if, to a certain extent, you had to start all over again, because you have to acquire this knowledge base. You must know who your players are and work to build your community. Contrairement à de nombreuses forces de l'ordre, nous ne recevons pas d'appels de service tout le temps. Ce qui signifie que si vous êtes un agent traditionnel, vous pourriez commencer votre service avec 30 appels en attente de traitement, n'est-ce pas ? Et vous essayez simplement de les traiter au fur et à mesure que les appels arrivent. Alors que nous, nous recevons des appels de service, mais pas à ce niveau. Donc la plupart des informations que nous recevons, nous les obtenons de notre communauté. Nous les obtenons des gens de notre communauté. Ils disent, oh, je vais appeler le directeur général Shannon à ce sujet. J'ai vu ce problème se produire. Et donc nous sommes un service très axé sur la communauté. Nous devons être. Nous parlons de la façon dont vous avez évolué au fil des ans. Vous utilisez le terme, je suis désolé, j'ai déjà oublié, mais c'était des plumes de poisson.

Qu'est-ce que c'était que les poissons et les plumes ? Les brûlures de poissons et les plumes. C'est devenu tellement plus complexe maintenant qu'il y a même un SWAT. Oh oui. Nous l'avons fait et Déon peut certainement en parler. J'étais dans l'équipe il y a des années, mais nous avons des chiens errants. Nous avons des pilotes de drones. Oh, wow. Nous avons l'aviation.

I know aviation because I was a dispatcher and I remember it. I remember the moment when we needed another helicopter. Yeah, from time to time, a police helicopter of natural resources landed. Yes, do you remember?

A large part of our research and rescue efforts. Eh, eh, Sergeant Buchanan flies from where does he fly? From the east. Yes, from the east. Yes, we have a very talented diving team.

I mean, yes, we have a very talented diving team. But I think our special operations team is really incredible. But I would say that our service is incredible. But by extension, yes, by extension, yes, our special operations, we do a little bit of everything. And if you want to talk about the team, of course, yes, yes.

I think they saw a need, because we are the main maritime agency of the state of Maryland. For example, if something happens to a suspect of murder or if something happens in the water on a boat. Qui va aller les chercher ? C'est là que nous intervenons. Oui, nous avons des navires blindés et des trucs comme ça avec lesquels nous pouvons aller là-bas et utiliser nos propres moyens, à peu près comme nous le faisons sur Terre, mais juste en bateau, n'est-ce pas ? Et c'est avec ça que nous nous entraînons. Mais nous faisons de la forêt parce que nous connaissons très bien les bois. Nous faisons donc du repérage de suspects ou des opérations de recherche et de sauvetage pour les personnes disparues. Mais en général, vous ne nous appelez pas pour ça. Ils ont d'autres personnes pour rechercher et sauver des choses, mais eux, mais quelqu'un comme un suspect qui court dans les bois ? They call us and we start following them. And them, yeah, them, and then we do mandate services and we help many other agencies too. We reinforce them if they are worn out, if they are in lack of manpower, because the teams we train with review everything and we help them reach the goal. So, basically, what you're telling us is that you really hate it when someone says that you take care of fishing, don't you? That's what I learned because you do it so much. All of this, in fact, party, yeah, yeah.

I mean, you've touched on a very important subject. We really want the inhabitants of the Maryland state to know what our capabilities are and how we use them.

Because we haven't traditionally shed much light on this subject. People don't know who we are, what we do, or the level of training we expect from our agents. Yeah. So, for example, they, U Devon talked about tactical operations in the forest. They didn't exist before our team. So, if you had an armed suspect in the woods, he would make his way through the woods. We have therefore been the first team to develop a method to try to do this in a safer and more efficient way, e. a more tactical approach. And now, I don't know if you always organize a forest school for other operations, we usually do it once a year. Woodland and in POC. Bacc also, isn't it? It's usually once a year too, isn't it? We therefore help to train other operators in maritime and forest state operations. C'est juste un petit aperçu, vous savez, ce n'est qu'un aspect de ce que nous faisons. Donc, comme j'aime le dire, c'est comme si vous étiez un policier traditionnel, vous arrêtiez quelqu'un sur le bord de la route parce que, disons, vous pensez qu'il conduit en état d'ébriété, n'est-ce pas ? Donc, vous l'arrêtez, vous lui faites passer un... Preliminary alcohol test or a screening, I should say, and then if you think you have enough of it, you're going to take it for a sample of breath. Isn't it? So, now, you're doing the same thing for us, but on the water. So, you know, if it's on the road, you don't have to worry about a car drifting or floating somewhere or other occupants. But for us, we could have to get the mare out who is hoisting the mare. We could have to do a lateral hoisting or by the bow to a marina, wouldn't we? Leave them a chance to recover their lamb thighs. And then we have to do our sobriety test on the field. And we do the same thing. We have a two-hour window, don't we? To do it, just like a traditional policeman. But we, you know, there are many other things that we have to take into account.

You can't just leave the boat in the middle. Leave the boat. I know.

First arrival, first served. It's someone else's boat. And we're almost always alone. Almost always. Not always, but yes. We very rarely have the opportunity to work together, simply because we are so few. And it also depends on the county in which you are. So... Wow!

MHM! So, I know that you probably won't even be able to answer this question, but what does a typical day look like? What does a typical day look like to you?

Yes, of course. So, we have vehicles to carry. Okay. So, if you live outside the county, you must be at the border of the county or at the beginning of your quarter of work, but I have the privilege to start at home. I can start there and then start about what I plan for the day. There may be pairs for fishing or crab fishing. Go to the boat and start controlling people this way. The nautical security in Naros is very active during this period of the year. It is probably one of the most frequented areas of the state in terms of maritime traffic. But it's just this season when it comes to hunting. During the hunting season, it's about the same thing. Just go patrolling or if you have a business you're working on, go for it. There is no one above you who tells you to do this or that, as if they trusted us to work on this activity and ... Yes, you know, in what field, yes, nobody puts us the pressure, but most of us want to go work. Oh yes, this work is really a vocation, you know, you, most of our agents, I would say, if not all of us, Be passionate about work, about going out and being proactive. You have to be proactive. So, and you know, in terms of typical day, it could change from one season to the other and from one region to the other.

Oh yes, because we are the little America. That's how people call the Maryland. As there are all the little Americas in the Maryland. So you could be anywhere. The mountains, the ocean, the bay.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And you know, we work on large water expanses. But you know, in the northwest of Maryland, where they are located, it's completely different. Oh, yes, up there.

And what about your day? Are you still an instructor?

So, in November, I was assigned to the community recruitment and awareness unit. Okay. So my work has radically changed. J'ai passé 25 ans sur le terrain, 20 à 26 ans sur le terrain. Et j'ai adoré ça et c'était vraiment un honneur qu'on me demande de venir à l'unité de recrutement. Mon patron et moi nous connaissons. J'ai 51 ans maintenant. Mon patron et moi nous connaissons depuis que j'ai 18 ans. Au fil des années, nous avons discuté de ce que nous pouvions faire pour avoir un impact et influencer le changement au sein du service. Le jour où j'ai appris que j'allais rejoindre l'unité, il a appris qu'il allait rejoindre l'unité en tant que mon nouveau patron. Nous nous sommes dit, oh, nous avons toutes ces idées. Et nous sommes toujours comme. Il aime nous appeler, petit doigt dans la tête, vous savez, quand nous nous asseyons ensemble parce que nous avons tellement de choses que nous voulons faire alors que nous approchons de là. Fin de nos carrières. and we just want to leave things in a better state than we found them. We therefore want to try to have as much positive influence as possible. We are in a very good situation at the moment in this service. I would almost like to say that it is almost like a change of paradigm where we evolve, we are very focused on our progress, from training officers to strengthening leadership, through techniques and training equipment. I mean, the fact that we now have a drone unit is simply incredible and these galas are a multiplier of strength. The corporal who is responsible for it left the other day and he flew. Si je devais faire une patrouille à pied dans le parc d'état de Sandy Point, par exemple, cela me prendrait littéralement toute la journée et il peut le couvrir en 30 minutes environ. Je veux dire, et quand je dis couvrir, je veux dire examiner les points chauds et vérifier les zones si nous avons, disons, un enfant perdu ou quelque chose comme ça. It's really interesting to see the evolution because, as I said, we come from Fishburn and Feather. So, when I arrived, you know, now, each agent has a vehicle to carry. Each agent has a vehicle to carry. If you live in your district, as Devon said, you start from your house. If you live outside your district, you start your car as soon as you reach the border. When I arrived, I lived in Bowie and I was on duty in St. George's Creek and in the county of Saint Mary. It was an hour and a half of road with my personal vehicle.

Wow! To go to the boat. And then once I got there, the corporal was usually there waiting to leave. Et je veux dire, nous passions 8 heures par jour, tous les jours, sur le bateau. C'est tout ce que nous faisions. Donc, vous aviez des officiers de la marine, vous aviez des officiers de l'intérieur.

Tous les deux du NRP, mais les officiers de l'intérieur ne mettaient jamais vraiment les pieds dans l'eau. D'accord ? Et les officiers de la marine ne venaient jamais vraiment à l'intérieur des terres. Donc, nous avions un véhicule pour le hangar à bateau. Et la seule fois où nous utilisions ce véhicule, c'était pour aller au bureau ou au tribunal où parfois nous l'utilisions pour déjeuner, mais nous ne montions pas vraiment dans le bateau, dans le... Excusez-moi, dans le véhicule aussi souvent. We spent almost all our days on the boat, all year round. It was in a glacial cold, in the middle of summer. In fact, it came to mind, but I remember working with my former corporal. It was at that time that I started working as a young officer and I told myself that I was going to have arthritis at 50 years old because my hands were so cold, but when you're outside, you check the oysters and everything, our gloves are soaked. So, I was there sorting the oysters without gloves, because it was more efficient to do it this way. But it was so cold and we got used to working in these conditions. It's part of the job. But you see, I saw the veterans when I was a young officer, without a jacket, without a coat, you know, just outside, crossing a well full of oysters. And so, you know, I looked like the guys I aspired to be at the time, a bit like these guys. You know, the guys from Plein Air. That's all.

But we don't do that anymore. Now, everyone is trained both on land and on water. Or do you still have people who specialize in land and water or does everyone do everything?

Yeah, it depends on the region where you work. Like in the west and like the Alagenais county, I don't know how much water they have. Okay. So their main objective is the interior of the lands, but coming here to Caen, it's like we had to train everything, be trained on everything and know everything by heart. So yeah, so. Eux, on a toujours eu comme la marine et l'intérieur des terres, mais les parcs d'état n'étaient pas toujours à nous. Donc il y a quelques années, on a fusionné avec les gardes forestiers. D'accord. who were at the time the agents of the forces of the order of the state, the forest guards of the state parks were the forces of the order. Well, they went through our academy, a modified version of our academy, and became agents of the NRP. So, the forest guards we have now are not agents of the forces of the order. They are specifically there to take care of the park and take care of the park visitors. Okay. And you know, they do things like park maintenance, educational programs, a wide range of things that our forest guards are responsible for. and then we take care of the application of the law for them. And so, we were roughly like two agencies, your forest guards and the NRP, and they became in a way a single one. So, now, we have the additional responsibility of our state parks in more other states of the state. So, yes, we're doing pretty much everything now. Et maintenant que nous avons des véhicules à emporter, nous sommes un peu partout. Beaucoup de gens ne savent pas que nous nous occupons de la circulation.

Je ne pense pas que nous aimions nous occuper de la circulation, mais... Je sais que vous le faites parce que, comme je l'ai dit, j'ai commencé ma carrière ici en tant que répartiteur.

Donc... Euh, donc... Quand vous dites que vous vous occupez de la circulation, parce que j'allais vous poser cette question plus tard.

They used to signal the traffic when an agent left their home. That's when I remember them signaling the traffic. It wasn't because they wanted to. It was because they were going from their home to another place and something was happening in front of them that they simply couldn't ignore.

Yeah, but I saw lights turn on behind me sometimes. I said to myself, oh my, and then they stop and I see that it's you. Yeah. And then I said to myself, oh my, but you're telling me that I should still be worried?

They can, they can call the police.

Not worried, but, not worried, but be there for you. Ouais, ouais, ouais.

Donc, ouais, nous sommes des agents de la police d'état. Vous avez donc quatre départements qui sont la police d'état, vous avez les transports, vous avez les transports en commun. Bien sûr, vous avez la police d'état du Maryland, eux les policiers, et puis vous avez la police des ressources naturelles. Le MSP et le NRP sont les deux seules entités qui ont une compétence à l'échelle de l'état. Nous avons donc tous les pouvoirs de police. Nous avons toute la compétence de l'état. Eux, nous nous occupons de la circulation et c'est un peu comme je l'ai dit quand je suis arrivé, nous étions strictement réservés aux poissons, à la fourrure et aux plumes.

Même si nous Nous avions une administration à l'époque, il y avait des agents de la circulation pour ça Nous voulions que vous soyez sur l'eau

And it has changed a little as things have developed, as the zones have developed. And if you drive in certain zones, it's like someone represents a danger for the drivers, for themselves and for the drivers around you. So you know you have to do what you have to do. So often, you know, and people are often surprised, you know, you are stopped and they say, well, you are a natural resource. Can you stop us? Yes, we can absolutely.

It's a real contravention. We talked about Maryland as a whole, but if we could just a little, we'll get back to it. But if we could focus on Queens County for just a second, what are the unique challenges faced by river communities like ours? And I'm sure Deon, you can talk about it, but what makes this region so different? What are the challenges of being in Queens County? As an agent, like me, yeah. For you, yeah. They probably just try to be everywhere at the same time, as there is generally only one of us who works. MHM. And how can we cover this whole area, alone during our quarter of work? It's almost impossible. But that's why I'm counting on the community. It's the most important part of building community and trust. And it's like if you see it, you know, we are available to, let's hope, take care of it if it's something illegal. And I mean that the biggest problem for us is to be alone and everything can happen. Yeah, and no one will know if something happens to us. I mean, they watch us on the radio and everything, but it can take a while if something happens to us. So, that's what I would say the most, is that we really depend on our agents. We must. It's just because we are so few and we often work alone. Il y a environ deux ans, je cherchais un chasseur et je suis tombé au milieu d'une transaction de drogue. Il y avait quatre messieurs, dont deux étaient armés. Et j'ai dû gérer ça tout seul. Et je dirais que c'est typique pour nous en tant que NRP. Ce n'est pas unique à moi, sous quelque forme que ce soit. Nous sommes presque toujours seuls. Je suis sorti à deux heures du matin pour faire une arrestation, et je me souviens qu'une nuit, les garde-côtes sont arrivés, et ils se déplaçaient toujours à quatre ou cinq dans un bateau. Et eux, ils m'ont dit, qu'est-ce que tu fais là ? Et j'ai répondu, j'ai été arrêté pour conduite en état d'ivresse. Je prépare mon remorquage. Et ils m'ont dit, où est ton partenaire ? Et j'ai répondu, nous, je n'en ai pas. Nous, c'est juste ce qu'on fait, tu vois ? Donc, eux, ouais, je veux dire, et j'ai travaillé pour South River, qui est l'une des rivières les plus fréquentées de l'État. So when we talk about what is unique, it is that there is so much activity, we are all alone and we are in a large open space and we can receive a call for anything. And I remember, when I was a young policeman, I said to myself, especially when I arrived for the first time, that the radio was crackling and that we were saying to ourselves, oh my God, what are they going to say? We were just worried about what was going to happen to the radio and if it was something that we were going to be able to manage. And over the years, we become more and more competent to the point of being able to almost guess what's going to happen. When we arrive on a stage, we say to ourselves, it's probably what's going to happen. But in general, at the beginning, we say to ourselves, oh my God, what's going to happen on the radio? We become so anxious. I don't know, did you feel that? Uh, not too much. Yeah. No. No. No. For what is to be added to that, it is that the sheriff of Queens County is great. If there is something for which I need help, they are there. They take notes and come to help me. And I do the same for them. If there is something around me for which I can help, I do it. There was an attack at Conquest Beach two weeks ago and I was all alone. There is no one else coming. So I said to myself.

And it doesn't really come from.

How is it? Yeah, it just started the county of Queens by land route and of course, they were there before I came from Naros. Oh, wow. So, they were always reliable. They, hats off to them. Yeah. We work very hard to maintain good relationships with our brothers and sisters. We must. I suppose it applies because you talk to the sheriff, you talk to the emergency services, all the local agencies. Yeah, mainly, just the forces of order, I mean, we're going to help the firefighters, like the boats, like the water rescue and all that. We'll be like the firefighters and we'll be there together. Okay, but it's mostly the force of order aspect that I was talking about for them when it comes to how to respond to their calls and all that.

What kind of resources do you bring that the residents may not even know that you have at your disposal? As we talked about SWAT, we talked a little about research and rescue. Is there anything else that you think people don't realize and that you have capabilities? Well, as I said, drones. Drones play an important role. Our lateral sonars that our divers use allow us to recover bodies. Okay.

We are able to deploy them. And they probably are. Even more developed since I've been there with them. But they are very good in this field. I mean, at the time, it was like you were flirting. Someone. Oh, wow, yeah. We are doing research, you know. Now they are able to deploy them and they can see what's under the water. And that allowed to bring the victims back to their families, you know, so that their families can have a little peace. Our aviation, of course, our investigators. I think one of the most important aspects is our training. Our training level, I would say, has evolved over the years. You are there, in the woods or on the water, and you learn as you go. Your veterinarian, the experienced agents guide you and teach you things. And now, we are heading towards training where I haven't really seen anything. Je pense que l'on pourrait dire la même chose des forces de l'ordre dans leur ensemble, mais je n'ai pas vu cela dans notre service. 7. Progression rapide de la dépression, cette progression, jusqu'à ces dix dernières années. Nous avons commencé à. J'ai récemment suivi une certification en santé et bien-être avec le comté de Baltimore. Nous avons parlé de la santé mentale et du bien-être pour les professionnels des forces de l'ordre. Ce n'est pas quelque chose que j'aurais vu il y a 25 ans. Et maintenant, nous en comprenons l'importance. Et ce n'est qu'une forme de formation. J'ai assisté à une formation au leadership il y a quelques semaines, que nos superviseurs, certains de nos nouveaux superviseurs, suivaient. Eux, je pense que notre colonel actuel est très investi dans la progression du leadership. And when I say leadership, I mean from top to bottom of the chain. So, I've been in the Navy for several years, they start to teach you leadership from the first day, as soon as you arrive on the island, you are responsible for each other, right? And they, what I see now in my department, is this change of culture where we want to prepare you for the next step. You know, not only put you on the water and you will learn as you go, but they, have a very intentional approach to prepare you for your next step so that when you get there, you know how to prepare the person who comes and who follows you. Oh, that's great! So yes, it's just them to see that this changing culture is very inspiring for me, especially, you know, after all these years, these decades that I have spent. Yeah, it's pretty cool that you said all that because, like, we see it even at our level. We have just followed a supervisor training, and they did exactly the same thing by saying, the next leader, your job is to prepare this person to replace you so that you can evolve, then she can evolve, and the person behind her will have the same training. And you talked about mental health. We have this aspect. We have just put it into practice. Yeah, For All Season is an organization here in the county of Queens and in most of the East Coast, but they offer programs for emergency services and mental health. So it's cool to see you do this kind of thing, because we learn what is important and it's cool to see that everyone learns the same thing. It's great. Yeah, it's great. And we talked about what you've seen over the last ten years. What do you see coming in the next ten years? Is there anything in the future for you? Whether it's technology, programs, training. It's a little above my skills right now. Just changes of law, like what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen. But make things more strict and generally what's going to happen. But I hope we won't have to do it. Yeah, I mean, we talked about drones. We can have a submarine. We can have you, I think there's one. Oh, but whatever. There's something like that. It's like a robotic submarine. I saw one floating somewhere. I don't know who it was, but it was cool.

I'm sure. Oh yeah. What do I see? I think the most important thing is the... Development not only of agents, but also of relations between the police and the community, isn't it? So, for a service to succeed, it must have the support of the community, because Sir Robert Peel, who is the father of modern criminology, teaches us that police services or the police take their authority from the police or the public. So we cannot progress without the support of the community. And they will not bring us this support. We must merit it. We must merit it through representation. We must merit it through trust. We must merit it. We must merit it intentionally. And so, as we move forward, what I hope to see is the continuous growth of this relationship between the community and the department, because at the end of the day, we will all do better.

Yes, I know you say you don't have all the staff you would probably like to have to cover vast areas. Not enough. But do you have the time or are there people in the staff who are only there for community events? As for the awareness and all that kind of thing? Yes.

We have Agent Peterson who is part of our recruitment and community awareness unit. And we really consider that as the two sides of the same coin. Community awareness and recruitment. But it's her field in particular. And so, one of the things she really envisages is to develop our presence on social media, which we have not always done. So here are a few of the things we do. My commander and I are trying to develop a podcast for the police of natural resources. Just as a way to be able to interact with the community in another way, to answer questions, to let them know who we are, what are our capacities, what are our relationships with other services. And in fact, between the services, fishing and biology, make them come and explain to them why this regulation is like this, or why this law is like this, or the importance of making sure you have a boat or safety equipment when you go out on a boat. All these things. Donc, oui, je pense que nous cherchons simplement à développer ces relations.

Donc, vous faites du recrutement, vous rendez-vous parfois dans les écoles, vous allez dans les lycées et vous parlez.

Partout, écoles, universités, collèges communautaires, bases militaires. Église, c'est un peu ce que j'aimerais, mon espoir est de mettre en place certains canaux. Comme je l'ai dit, nous sommes le département le plus difficile à rejoindre. Eh bien, souvent, les gens veulent nous rejoindre. Ils ne comprennent pas forcément qui nous sommes, mais ils se disent, eh, c'est un emploi d'État, mais avec de bons avantages, un bon salaire. Nous voulons donc essayer d'ouvrir la porte autant que possible pour que les gens sachent qui nous sommes, afin d'avoir un vivier diversifié lors de la sélection. L'une des façons dont nous y parvenons est d'essayer de développer des filières pour l'armée, peut-être pour les anciens combattants qui sortent de l'armée et qui sont en transition, et qui se disent, hé, voilà une belle carrière. Nous savons déjà que vous êtes une personne de bonne moralité, et comme vous sortez de l'armée, nous serions ravis de vous avoir. C'est la même chose avec les étudiants, les jeunes étudiants. C'est le truc avec les étudiants, je vais aller à un salon de l'emploi ou à un événement sur les carrières. Et je leur dis, hé, venez me parler. Oh, je ne suis pas vraiment intéressé par le métier de policier. Si vous me donnez 10 minutes, je peux les intéresser au métier de policier. Je peux leur dire, hé, c'est, vous savez, pensez à une retraite. Pensez à un véhicule à emporter. Pensez à la paie. Pensez à la retraite. D'accord, d'accord. Je veux dire, sans vouloir trop insister, mais je ne peux pas vous dire qu'il y a eu des jours où je descendais la baie de Chesapeake et que le soleil se couchait. Je me suis dit, j'arrive pas à croire qu'il me paie pour faire ça. C'est un travail tellement génial. Et comme je l'ai dit, si j'arrive à passer 10 minutes avec quelqu'un, il ne s'intéressera pas.

Seulement à l'application de la loi, il se dira, je veux faire ce que vous faites. Donc, Euret est dans la cabine en ce moment. Ray a déjà passé deux semaines ici. Il est prêt à nous rejoindre.

Viens me parler.

Au revoir, Ray. C'est vraiment cool. Pourrions-nous aborder un peu la sécurité et l'éducation communautaire ? Yeah, yeah.

Bess, what do you have? I mean, what are the important tips in terms of navigation and security? Because we are, you know, in the middle of the summer. What are the tips in terms of navigation and security that you have for our listeners?

Of course, yeah. The first step would probably be what we call a navigation plan. C'est comme écrire tout ce que tu vas faire ce jour-là. Par exemple, à quelle heure tu pars, où tu vas, d'accord. Qui est avec toi ? Ensuite, l'heure à laquelle tu es censé revenir est la plus importante. Par exemple, si tu es dehors après la tombée de la nuit et que tu as dit que tu serais de retour à 17h, tu peux nous appeler. Et donner ça à quelqu'un pour qu'il... Ouais, ouais, laisse ça à quelqu'un qui n'est pas sur l'eau ou qui ne s'attend pas à ce que tu sois de retour. Yes. And then, make sure that all your safety equipment is on board. So rescue vests. For everyone on board, extinguishers in case of fire, let's hope not. And then, a way to attract the attention of someone on your boat or on something that is happening on your boat and for which you need help, like flare guns or a whistle. Okay, these are the most important. And then, just being able to follow the security course of the towers that is available online. Some of them are free. Even for an experienced voter, I would say that you just have to follow it once a year, just to refresh your memory. Because these laws don't change much. But it's still good to have this reference base on how boats are supposed to get together and give each other, and all that kind of stuff.

Et nous en organisons aussi parfois ici. Je pense que Parks & Rec le fait.

Oh, vraiment ?

La sécurité des électeurs. Ouais, j'ai déjà publié des communiqués de presse à ce sujet. Nous l'avons fait. Nous le faisons. Et nous venons juste de commencer à organiser des séances sur la sécurité des chasseurs.

Oh, vraiment ?

Nous l'avons fait pour la première fois cette année. Notre service des parcs et du tourisme a organisé un cours sur la sécurité des chasseurs.

C'est génial. Ouais, je suggère toujours de suivre ce cours. Et même en tant que passager, je vous suggère toujours de réfléchir à votre propre sécurité. Est-ce que ce conducteur est bon à conduire ? Est-il bon ? Est-il un danger sur l'eau ? Dois-je y aller ou dois-je rester ?

Donc pas d'alcool.

Je n'ai pas dit ça.

Pendant que vous conduisez de manière... Responsable.

Oh, pendant que vous conduisez. Soyez responsable. Soyez responsable. C'est ça. C'est le plus grand enseignement que nous ayons tiré de ce cours. Si nous pouvions nous y attarder une seconde, parce que vous savez, il me semble facile d'identifier quelqu'un qui boit eau. Volant d'une voiture. Ouais, comme si vous pouviez voir les signes. C'est très facile. Que recherchez-vous lorsque vous regardez un bateau ? Well, in general, it is difficult to know if he is moving forward or if he is moving forward. You know, if they are on the road, it's hard to say, isn't it? Unless they sleep lying on their backs or something like that, you know, something is obviously happening. But we can't generally know it unless we stop them for another reason. And then, the same deficiency as for driving, we could see when they are on a boat, this kind of thing.

parce qu'ils ne font pas d'embardés.

Ouais. Vous lâchez le volant et c'est... Oh, non, mec. C'est comme ça que les vagues m'ont emporté.

Donc, vous parliez plutôt de la façon dont notre travail est différent, n'est-ce pas ? Donc, si je suis sur une route derrière quelqu'un et que je le vois dépasser... La ligne où ? D'accord. Alors c'est ma cause probable pour effectuer un arrêt, n'est-ce pas ? Mais on n'a pas ça sur l'eau. Donc, en général, ce qu'on recherche, c'est parce qu'on doit avoir une cause probable. Ouais, d'accord. Comme dans tous les autres services, nous préférons avoir une cause probable dans notre cas. If the registration is wrong, isn't it? Or if it's after sunset and the navigation lights are not on, it's our probable cause. But there are different phases, aren't there? There is the observation phase, then we move on to the maintenance phase. If, during the maintenance, the subject's voice is slow or if he doesn't seem to know where his safety equipment is, we can start asking questions, especially if we see Canette de bière vide ou quelque chose comme ça. Nos agents sont vraiment bons pour détecter cela. Et pour aller plus loin, je dirais simplement que nous disions d'être intelligent, n'est-ce pas ? Soyez responsable lorsque vous êtes sur le terrain. Il y a tellement de gens qui n'envisageraient jamais de boire et de conduire, n'est-ce pas ? Je ne le ferais jamais. Ce n'est pas mon cas. Par exemple, si je sors d'un restaurant, si je vais au restaurant et que je dois rentrer chez moi en voiture. Et qu'il n'y pense pas sur l'eau.

Ouais, il ne pense pas que ce soit si grave sur un bateau.

Car on peut avoir un contenant ouvert dans un récipient.

But the rate of alcoholism is the same on water as on earth. So, after a beer, you're going to be late, aren't you? And if you are in a family, with friends and children, or that you are somewhere, you may not think, especially when the sun hits hard. And that you drink this second beer, and that your body is already working a little harder. It is already a little more tired because of the sun, surfing and waves. All these things tire your body. So this beer is almost amplified. Et je ne peux pas vous dire combien de fois dans ma carrière j'ai croisé quelqu'un et j'ai vu des bouteilles vides. J'étais en phase d'entretien et j'étais en phase et je commençais peut-être à poser des questions et vous avez vu ce léger déclic dans sa tête. Como, c'est une infraction à l'alcool. You see, it's as if we clicked in there, as if we had never thought that they would end up in this situation. And we don't do alphabets anymore. But when I started, we said, Hey, do you know what your highest level of study is? You know your alphabet. Can you recite your alphabet to me? And they are null and...

Ils ne m'ont pas appris celui-là, et tu leur dis.

J'ai besoin que tu essaies encore une fois, capitaine, parce que c'est. Tu vois, ils réalisent à quel point c'est sérieux. Guy y met double. C'est pour ça qu'on dit, soyez responsable. Il n'y a rien de mal à sortir et à passer un bon moment. Ouais.

Et à boire un verre, tant que vous le faites de manière responsable. Et on vous encourage à conduire sobre, à conduire prudemment, vous savez, à conduire sobre, et vous n'aurez pas à vous en soucier. Well, these are excellent advice for all our voters, especially in this area. We know that we have a lot of them, but you do much more than that. You protect our natural resources, you support conservation. Is there any advice for residents to also contribute to this cause? Yes, I think the best thing they could do for us is simply to be a good witness. Tout le monde a des téléphones portables avec de très bons appareils photos et je pense qu'il suffit de prendre des vidéos ou des photos, ne confrontez pas la personne. Oui, faites-le et appelez-nous. And then we will be there and these proofs will be very useful if we are not there and that we cannot say it ourselves. So, how does someone do that? How do they call? How can they join you? The phone number is 4,102,608,888. It's the number 24 hours, 24. Okay, it's our distribution service. Yeah, the distribution service. Yeah, and then you just have to call and say, I have a person who breaks something and I have photos. And then, if I work, the call will be sent to me and I will call them directly to take the photos and meet them if they want, or as they want, and I will leave there. But yes, yes, yes! We really rely on the citizens of the state to do our work efficiently. Oui, parce que je préférerais que vous appeliez et que ce ne soit pas une infraction plutôt que de ne pas appeler et qu'ils le fassent.

Et que rien ne se passe.

Ouais, ils font quelque chose tous les jours pendant 10 ans et personne ne l'appelle. Puis, attendez juste le jour où ils appellent. Oui, parce que nous sommes si peu nombreux, nous avons tendance à aller dans les zones qui sont comme des points chauds. Par exemple, lorsque nous savons qu'il y a de l'activité, nous savons qu'il y a traditionnellement des problèmes là-bas. C'est là que nous avons tendance à aller pour être plus efficaces. So, if there is a problem somewhere and we are not informed about it, once again, we are only 260, we will probably not fall for it. So, if someone sees something, we feel like they let us know. Yeah, well, we've learned a lot about you today. Oh, yeah. And the only thing we've definitely learned is that everyone is going to be interested in a career at home now that they've heard that. Oh no, Bess, what do we have? Do we have any questions about the career and recruitment that we won't answer?

I know. These are my favorites. So, if someone is interested in a career at home, what types of opportunities are available?

Well, unfortunately, we don't have any at the moment. We don't have a program for cadets or internships. Okay. But what we are considering is to have at least 15 people in a class every month of September. So, which is very good. I mean, when I arrived, they might have hired every five years. Oh, wow. Yeah. And that's why we had 6,000 people who passed the test for my class and we had 12 people in my class, not counting our side. Mais, eux, nous sommes probablement le département le plus difficile à rejoindre et c'est juste parce que nous n'avons vraiment personne qui part. Donc, nous n'avons pas beaucoup de postes vacants. Et donc, nous essayons de grandir. Nous essayons de grandir et nous essayons d'avoir une classe chaque année maintenant, d'accord, de 15. C'est notre objectif. Donc, cela étant dit, j'encourage les gens quand les gens m'appellent et me disent, que puis-je faire ? Je vous encourage à obtenir votre carte de sécurité de l'électeur. Nous en avons parlé un peu plus tôt. Si vous êtes né après le 1er juillet 1972, vous n'êtes pas obligé d'en obtenir une. Je suis désolé. Si vous êtes né avant, You don't have to have one. Then, you have to have one. But if someone wants to come and doesn't have a nautical safety card, I tell him, take your nautical safety card. Take your hunter safety card. They, we will examine, our investigators will examine the antecedents of anyone who succeeds our selection test. They, they want to see if people have a good morality, that they are able to think critically under pressure, things of this nature, that they have made good decisions in their lives so far. They, and you know, we have a wide variety of people who want to choose this professional path. Some say, that's what I've always wanted to do since I was a child, that's all I've ever thought about. And others say, you know, I've been in IT all my life or I've been, you know, whatever. I was a manager and I just want to do something different. They, we have a reserve officer program, and I can't say enough about our reserve officers. They are a precious help to us. They support us a lot. They, and often their efforts are not noticed, but we count a lot on them. They, one of the things we are trying to do, and it is very preliminary. We have not even worked on it yet. But what I would like to do is develop a branch within this reserve officer program for people who want to become NRP officers and it is not yet open, but I want to serve the state. Je veux donner du temps à l'État. Donc, eux, en suivant ce programme d'officiers de réserve, ils peuvent obtenir des certifications en sauvetage aquatique ou en navigation et en gestion de la recherche. Eux, et ce sont toutes des choses qu'ils peuvent mettre sur leurs chevaux. Eux, donc quand ils postulent, eux, ils nous connaissent, nous les connaissons. Chaque service a sa propre culture, vous savez, et nous sommes très uniques en tant qu'officiers du NRP. Personne ne fait ce que nous faisons. And so when people can spend time with us, they, and in particular as reserve officers, they can see what it is like to be on boats or in parks or the lands of the state on a daily basis. They, and I think it benefits them a lot when they postulate. Donc, ce sont les recommandations que je donne généralement. Et vous pouvez toujours nous appeler et demander à vous accompagner, ce qui, je pense, est énorme. Venez, eux, faites un tour avec un officier.

Nous devrions avoir la télé.

J'allais dire de sortir avec vous. S'il vous plaît, faites-le.

Ce serait amusant. Ouais, nous pourrions le faire. Parlez-moi de... S'il vous plaît, faites-le. Donc, Déon, je suppose que ça fait six ans, n'est-ce pas ? Vous êtes... Ouais, avec. Donc je vais vous ramener six ans en arrière, mais vous vous souvenez de la formation et de ce que c'était, de la formation et du recrutement ? Regarding the recruitment, I was a replacement, so I wasn't even accepted to the academy at the start. Someone had to resign, leave or get fired so that I have this place there, which fortunately was the case. But, well, it worked for you. We're not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going to complain. Yeah. Mais ouais, ça a duré neuf mois. Neuf mois d'académie, vivre dans une académie, puis eux, donc tous les jours, vivre cinq jours par semaine, vivre là-bas, tu rentres à la maison le week-end. Ouais, le week-end, parfois, la plupart du temps, je ne pense pas qu'on soit restés, oh, on avait un cours en commun cette année-là.

Oh ouais, c'était probablement différent, c'était différent, différent.

On est resté à la maison pendant un mois ou deux au total, peut-être. Oh, waouh, ouais. Donc on n'a pas eu l'expérience complète, ce que je voulais en quelque sorte. Eux, donc ces enfants qui sortent maintenant, ils ont l'expérience complète. On se dit, on a de la chance. Eh bien, tout comme l'apprentissage, parce qu'on apprend avec Google, n'est-ce pas, les fichiers et tout ça, et ce n'était pas pareil. Ouais, ils vont mettre la main à la pâte, comme la rétention et tout ça. C'est comme quand tu es sorti, c'était comme si je n'étais vraiment pas là où je voulais être en termes de connaissance des informations. Eux, on a fait de notre mieux. Ils ont fait de notre mieux. Je veux dire, ils ont fait du bon travail. Oh, c'était dur d'essayer de nous apprendre. Ouais, ouais, tout à coup, on s'est dit, oh, il faut qu'on fasse de l'apprentissage en ligne maintenant. Guillemet double. C'est une surprise. Mais maintenant, ils ont fait du bon travail dans la mesure de ce qu'ils pouvaient faire. Eux, mais maintenant, ça a marché. Regardez-vous, Non, c'était bien, c'était. Je veux dire, c'était tout, c'était un bon moment, comme apprendre tout ce que la loi et toutes les lois que nous n'avions pas abordées à l'académie, comme tout ce qu'il y avait à apprendre en permanence en ce qui concerne la jurisprudence. Et, bien, je suis sûr que c'est probablement toujours le cas, n'est-ce pas ? Il y a toujours plus à apprendre. Il y a toujours quelque chose de nouveau qui sort et des trucs comme ça. Et c'est quelque chose qui nous tient. really at heart when it comes to the application of the law and civil protection, and the fact of being the best agent possible for the general public. Well, we had a lot of fun talking to you. It was great. But we have a few questions for you, and you can lower your guard a little. Okay. We're just going to ask some funny personal questions, if that suits you. What is the most memorable experience you've had in your career? Except for the aquatic rescues I've already talked about. Do you want me to talk about them again? Just to generalize. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to generalize. Just the boat fires, people jump into the water. The rescue buoys don't like to roll on them, to get them out of the water first. Because if I'm on the water, I go. I don't do it. No matter where it is. Those ones are good. But the one I was thinking about was Teuco who received a call for an injured animal. And it was Youth Day. Youth Day at Taco Hill State Park. Uh, so I get there, the deer was shot down. Uh, let me go back a second. So I was going there. There is a father and his son coming out. So I was talking to them and telling them. Oh yes, they said they had shot the deer. They did not have it. They lost it. So I went where the deer was and it was a deer that had been shot down. I said to myself. Oh, I made the rapprochement. I said to myself. Oh, okay. That's cool. Le premier cerf qu'il a abattu. Et il m'a dit, je l'ai abattu en premier. Eh bien, parce que c'était douloureux, mais c'était juste gratifiant de pouvoir donner ce cerf à un enfant qui chassait, parce que je me souviens de mon premier cerf. Ouais, et je n'arrivais pas à le trouver. On ne l'a pas trouvé pendant des mois. Alors, oh, waouh, oh, non. C'était comme si j'avais 7 ans, donc c'était un mauvais tir. Je l'admets. Mais juste pouvoir donner à un enfant cette expérience d'attraper son premier cerf. Ouais, et ne pas être déçu du genre. Oh, I missed it. I can't shoot anything. Now, I've never hunted, so I don't know. Is it something that happens more often than people think? That they hurt what they wouldn't do? Yeah, yeah. That they catch the deer, but they can't find it. Yeah. Sometimes, if they shoot further in the belly, for example, they don't die before days or weeks. Sometimes, it depends. But, uh, but it's up to them to keep looking, trying to find it. And they, that's what they call a drone, there are drone services that will try to find the deer you shot and injured. Okay. Si vous ne pouvez pas le trouver vous-même, faites-le. Soyez capable de le récolter et de le ramener à la maison. Ce père et son fils ont donc pu venir chercher le cerf. Ouais, y a-t-il une photo d'eux avec le cerf sur leur mur quelque part ? Et vous êtes en arrière-plan ? Je ne sais pas si vous n'avez pas pris les photos de famille. Yeah, okay, no, I don't think so. But it was one of the most gratifying, according to my own hunting experience, to be able to bring them back the deer they killed. Yeah, and you know, we talked about being part of a community. You made their day. I'm sure this child had a great experience with you. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't pleasant when it comes to shooting and suffering, but I tried to educate him like that. That's how we hunt. C'est vrai, on apprend juste, ouais, et c'était une bonne expérience d'apprentissage pour toi. Donc, ouais, on t'a donné du temps.

Oh mon Dieu, il y a tellement de choses auxquelles réfléchir. E, je veux dire, du plus marquant, comme récemment quand l'hélicoptère s'est écrasé sur l'avion du PTOAC et que j'ai été l'un des premiers sur les lieux et que j'ai vu mes officiers, mon service, aller soutenir E, E, DC et la Virginie, je pense que ça va me suivre toute ma vie. E, E, avoir été élu pour l'année dans mon service. Félicitations. Oh merci, c'était il y a quelques années. Mais, E, j'en étais très fier. E, je pense que si je devais citer une chose, ce serait dans le sens de ce que vous avez dit. C'est juste l'impact que nous pouvons avoir sur la communauté. E, je pense que c'est ce qui me parle le plus. Souvent, si quelqu'un se fait arrêter par un policier ou que des habitants du comté arrivent, des agents du comté se rendent au domicile de quelqu'un, c'est probablement parce qu'il y a un problème, n'est-ce pas ? Donc, il y a de la tension. Il y a une certaine appréhension. Eux, souvent, lorsque nous rencontrons le public, c'est juste en patrouille, comme si nous nous promenions dans le parc pour nous assurer que tout le monde est en sécurité et passe un bon moment, ou si nous nous croisons à côté de quelqu'un. Nous avons en fait l'occasion de donner un visage positif aux forces de l'ordre et d'avoir une interaction très positive avec le public And, uh, if there is one thing that I loved in my work, it is that, not only the ability to save lives, what we do, uh, and to support our communities, but also, for example, when I went on a cast, there was a cast full of people and children who were fishing or fishing crabs or others. And it was like it was my time to talk, to shake hands and to have fun with the children. You know, I often like to ask the children, so, who catches all the fish? Where did your father catch the fish? and have this interaction with them so that they can leave. And we are not always able to leave in a positive way with a positive interaction if we write maybe a quote or something like that. But we have this opportunity and it gives me the opportunity to create these links. And I think that's what I remember the most.

So, if our residents have something they could remember from today's conversation, what would you like them to remember? We won't let the camera turn off this time. So you don't have time to go.

Too far away as a community to help conservation. I think you just have to call if you see something because we won't be able to see it. Of course, if you see it first and if one of us works like that, the chances that we see it are very low. Eux et beaucoup de gens vivent au bord de l'eau, comme dans de petites criques et des endroits où nous ne verrons rien. Et mon conseil est simplement d'appeler et de nous laisser déterminer si c'est quelque chose d'illégal.

D'accord, c'est pour ça qu'on est.

Là, on est là pour vous. Donc, pour le public.

Je dirais qu'on a parlé d'un plan de bateau plus tôt. On peut faire la même chose pour une chasse. Si vous sortez, assurez-vous que votre famille sache où vous allez, dans quelle zone vous allez. Ayez un moyen de les contacter. They should know when to wait in case an unexpected event occurs. And then, when you are in the water, as you know, things happen, storms happen quickly, have a plan. We are never careful enough. Make sure to store your equipment in a safe place. Souvent, quand j'étais dans l'eau, sur le terrain ou sur l'eau, je vérifiais les gilets de sauvetage, ils étaient dans un emballage en plastique rangé quelque part, ils pourrissaient et ils ne serviraient à rien. On aime les voir. Gilets de sauvetage. On aime les voir portés. Si vous avez 13 ans ou plus, vous n'êtes pas obligés de les porter. Mais on aime les voir, parce que souvent, quelqu'un finit dans l'eau sans s'y attendre. On veut juste s'assurer qu'il est en sécurité. Et puis, comme l'a dit Devin, on est là pour servir les habitants de l'état du Maryland. Et si vous êtes intéressé par une carrière chez nous, n'hésitez pas à nous contacter. Je sais que je suis partial en disant ça, mais je pense qu'à... In my opinion, we are the elite. You know, as my colonel said when he arrived from the county of Baltimore, he said, you are like the Navy Seals of the forces of order, which is not complete, you know, it is not. It is not. We are on earth, we are in the water, we are in the air, as we are. I do a little bit of everything, so, you know, and I am obviously a little partial. I have been there for 30 years, but I am very proud to be an agent of the NRP. And I would say that Captain Sharon Branick said when I arrived almost 30 years ago, we are a State Department, but we are not very many and we are like a family. And that's what always struck me. I see new agents coming. I see former agents leave, but every time we have the opportunity to meet, that's what I feel like a family. et je suis très honoré de faire partie de ce service et de pouvoir les représenter. Merci beaucoup de m'avoir donné cette opportunité de le faire.

Ouais, je veux dire, vous venez littéralement de répondre à notre dernière question avant même que nous puissions la poser. Oh, ouais. Alors, maintenant, je vais changer de sujet. J'ai une nouvelle question de clôture. C'est ça. Ouais, c'est de votre faute. Donc ? You can be on a boat. You can go out when people are hunting. You can live all kinds of different experiences. But when you're on vacation, you do it. For yourself, I'm still going to hunt. It's a good question. I don't own a boat because I do enough sailing. I don't.

Not considered a blind boat because of that. Donc, pour faire concorder cela, pendant des années, j'ai dit que je n'achèterai jamais de bateau parce que je passe surtout à cette heure-là tous les jours toute la journée sur un bateau. Mais c'est drôle, je suis récemment sorti en bateau avec un ami et je me suis dit que c'était une expérience complètement différente. J'ai vraiment apprécié ça. So yes, they, but during my free time, I like to spend time with my family and they, that's my thing. Very good.

Well, gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. We had a very good time learning what you do. Thank you, you educated us. We will never ask the question of ignorance again. We will never repeat the question of gender again. Do I know you do other things than fishing? We. Et eux, normalement, nous aimons parler de toutes les vidéos incroyables que nous avons faites avec nos invités. Mais nous n'avons pas encore eu l'occasion d'en faire une, mais nous le ferons. Donc, nous le ferons maintenant. Oui, nous savons maintenant que nous allons faire une balade avec vous. Si nous pouvons monter l'échelle et passer, ce serait cool de le faire. Et puis nous le ferons savoir aux gens. Faisons en sorte que cela arrive. Yeah, that would be really cool. But, you know, go online, learn, learn more, you know, contact us. They would like to have your news if you want to join them or if you want to contact them because there is something you need to report. We now know the number. Can you give it to us one last time in case someone needs to contact you? 410 260 888 Et voilà. Alors, Devin Norse, merci beaucoup de vous joindre à nous. Ce fut un plaisir. Ouais, ce fut un plaisir. C'était un super moment. Je tiens à remercier Bess qui a organisé cet épisode, qui a pris nos contacts, qui a répondu à toutes les questions. Elle a fourni le café que nous buvons tous. Vous pouvez lever vos tasses. Et un autre merci à Open Seas. a local company from the county of Queens that provides us with our coffee. And a special thank you to Ray who is on our stand to do our show today and make sure that everyone can see us and hear us. Thank you Ray. Thank you Bess. Thank you Deon and Norris. Thank you. But now that we're done, I have to do one last thing. Close this order of the day.

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