Redevelopment Agency - Regular Meeting

Thank you. Uh the following is the agenda for the regular meeting of the PPO Lakes Redevelopment Agency. The meeting is to be held at the municipal building 25 L Avenue on Thursday, September 18th, 2020 5 beginning promptly at 7:30 p.m. Formal written advance notice as required by NJSA 104-1 has been provided this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today given the time, date, location, and to the extent known at the time the agenda of this meeting. Such notice stated that formal action may or may not be taken. This meeting will be video recorded and broadcast for later viewings for the public. This notice was one posted on the bulletin board outside the office of municipal of the municipal clerk reserved for this and other similar announcements. Two provided in the suburban trends the newspaper designated by the burough council to receive such notices and three filed with the burrow of the clerk. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. [Music] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Roll call, please. Mr. Quigley here, Miss Novak here. Uh, Mr. Ross abran will be absent. Uh, Mr. Sini here. Uh, Mr. Lassi here. Councilman Bennon and we have Mayor Sarah and Glenn Dominic will be absent and we and uh we have Sarah tonight instead of Andy Brewer. Welcome Sarah. Welcome Sarah. And there will not be any professionals tonight. We don't there's no nothing on the agenda.

Um may I have a motion to approve the regular minutes of the May 15th, 2025 meeting? I'll make a motion and a second, please. Stinky. Yeah. I just have to say present cuz I wasn't there at May. You like Brandon, right? We're looking for a motion for a second. I thought somebody didn't. Andy, you on the board then? I mean Andy. And Andy Levasi. That's what I'm thinking. Sorry. It's his father. That's bad. That's cuz we haven't been here in a while. No, he was cuz I was I was there when he was sworn in. Okay. Good. Uh Okay. That's uh do a roll call for that or just carry it or just

just carry it? No, you No, you voted. Yeah. So, second it. So, we're good. Yeah. Four votes. Mayor. Yeah. Yes. Okay. All voted. 1 2 3 4. Yes. Any discussion? So, moved. Motion carried. All approved. All approved. And Miss Novak is present. Right. Okay. Uh have a motion to approve the following three bills for Maraziti. Legal teres for June, July and August 388.50, 148 exactly and 74 exactly totaling 61050. I'll make that motion. Mr. Sinki second, please. Oh, you know what? I'll Well,

these are legal services for for for can I ask about that? I know Sarah. Oh, can I Yes. Oh, okay. So, but do we do we have meetings then or I guess we use we use No, they're so it's the meetings that they attended to and that's the legal. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'll second it then. Okay. And if you like to look at it, I have No, that's okay. I just And everything to a specific person gets escro. Yes. Gets build back. So, yep. So, anything that doesn't have legal fees, I would put down the uh the application number uh and then the the amount of for from taken out of their escrow. Okay. Yes. So, right now we have nothing because All right. So, all in favor?

I I opposed. So moved. One more. I got Kyer's engineering design professional services the bi-weekly meetings for July and August. Oh, okay. That was a deal. 30 bucks. We're 155 because there's three boards. You're in the meeting. It's the bi-weekly meeting that we do. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, the uh Zoom thing. Yes. Okay. Uh a motion, please. Motion. Okay. Mayor Sarah. Mayor Sarah. I'll second. Oh, how about that? Well, all approved. All in favor? I

opposed. So moved. And all right, we have no correspondence. The executive report will be from the mayor himself. Okay, so I think first thing I want to make everybody understand it's only but it's important. You're an unusual board in that you you meet when there's business. You want to go on the TV? Am I not on the TV? Nope. There. Where's it over there? You're only the chair. The TV has 50 lbs.

Okay. Yes, I know that. Um, so you guys are an unusual board in that you only meet when there's business to be done. So some, you know, with a redevelopment agency that might go months where we don't actually have anything to meet at. So don't feel like there's pressure that you have to meet just to discuss because once you approve something that comes from this board, it's really out of your hands and it comes to the building department to pick and final finalize everything. So you're really done with your part. Now, if you have questions or concerns, you can always ask questions. You can reach out to the chair. You can reach out to me or you can reach out to Glenn. But I don't want you guys to feel like you're pressured that you have to have a meeting just because we have to have a meeting. You're you're unusual in that where the planning board and the zoning board they do. They meet all the time. Okay.

This board doesn't have to. So if we got nothing going on and that could happen. We could go 6 months maybe with nothing going on. Well, we're only here to pay the bills. Well, we can pay the bills, right? We don't need us to vote. So we don't have to be here tonight, right? Which is why nobody's here, right? That's exactly. So, as an update, uh, and I haven't heard this already cuz I said it. So, we'll start with the Capidagia project. Um, it's moving along, which is the Meridia project. What? Meridia. Meridia, right? I'm sorry. Um, I spoke with one of the, uh, people that are running that project. So, what they tell me, they're shooting for January 1st. Not a chance, but okay.

Okay. That's what they're shooting for. Uh, they are slowly working up the floors to finish what's going on in the floors. They've started basement where the parking lot is is finished and they're moving their way up. I don't maybe think that's a good date, but that's the date you're meeting. Um remember part of the agreement that they have is a restaurant on the bottom of the uh of the place. I can tell you that after speaking with owners, uh they have numerous properties in New Jersey. They have since removed all their restaurants from from their properties. What have they put in in replace of retail? Retail. So, it's always going to be retail. That can't change at all. So, but they they aren't they were vacant properties. I don't know if they're vacant, but they're not restaurants.

Okay. I am going to hold fast to the fact that we signed an agreement with this developer to have a restaurant. So, I just wanted to put that out there that and I'm going to have a meeting again with the owners to reinforce that idea. How it ever works, I'd like to have a restaurant. That was part of the upgrade together. Right.

Um they are doing if you notice when you leave the civic center, it has a new roof on it. We're about to side it. It's going to be two stories. It's going to have all new appliances, new floors, new rooms. We built the locker room for our women police officers with a shower that's going to be built in there. They're picking up that whole cost. We're paying none of that. Um they're telling me that should be done in the next month or two. It's the same workers though that are building that that are building the civic center. It's not like there's a separate crew doing that. So that's the Meridian project. Approximately two months, you say? What's that? approximately two months. Civic Center because people have been asking. Yeah, about two months. Um, so we can dispel the rumor that they can't do work because they can't get laborers because of immigration rights. Okay. I'm just

that is a rumor that's out to get that on the uh you know um you know there was some situations with the school if you read in the papers that that happened to them and they hired a contractor to do some work and it turned out that uh some of them were not properly documented and that became an issue that hasn't happened to us at all. We haven't been cool down um CGM building is moving along. You can see it's being built from the back up if you go and look at the back. I think soon as we can get that overhang out of there, it'll make that whole property CGM building is the Pompton 5 223F. Yes. Yes.

Um they're moving along. They're shooting for the summer to open hope to open that. Um once they get the the facade done in the front, they then would no longer need the awning next summer. Yeah. This summer coming up. Yeah. Um 26. The facade in the front. Once that's done, they can remove the awning and then work internally. And I think that'll help the view of that. It's just I agree it doesn't look nice the way it is there.

So, they're getting to that. Um the senior housing is moving along nicely. If you've been driven past there, they've got the foundation in and they got some wood up already. That's about 58 units. Uh it's vet and and seniors. Uh the deal is that Palton Lakes residents get first shot at that to fill that. There is requirements to get into those building. There's a low, a medium, and a high. They haven't started accepting applications. We are getting a lot of calls from residents. Yes. About how to get into that. I spoke to the county to figure out when they'll they'll do that and they think in the next month or two they will open it up for lot for application. They hope to have that finished by the end of the summer. That's they're moving on pretty good.

Wow. Um, so the way it works is if you're a vet and you meet the income verification and you're from Pompton Lakes, you go to the top of the list. Then if you're a resident, a senior resident from Pompton Lakes and meet income uh eligibility requirements, you go to the top of the list. Then after that, they would pick anyone from Pompton Lakes North. So they can't go south to pick people to move move into this building. It would only be north of us, Bloomington, Moniku, West Milberg, that that way. We hope to fill it with our residents. We've gotten a lot of calls about that. Um, you are allowed to live as a husband and wife in there. So, they are taking So, I'm just going to make up the number. I think it's um 28,000 for a single person in there. So, maybe it's 40,000 if you're married or spouse comes in and then there's different categories. So, low might be 28, middle 32, and high might be 40 or something like that. Um, so that's moved along nicely. And if you've gotten to the uh um our recycling center, I again spoke with the county and you know, we did them a favor to do what we're doing in there. It's a great project. I do believe in the project. It is a good project. I have them then repaved the whole uh uh recycling lot. Uh they they picked up the cost on that. They built that whole new salt shed. They picked up the cost on that and we're our salt is being stored in there. We now have an entrance into the uh recycling center one way and an exit the other way. It's gotten much larger. I've gotten a lot of nice comments from residents about how it's set up and how it's working. So, that was a trade-off with the county. Now, just remember that pilot was a little less because the county gets a a little different deal, but it is a pilot. Um what else is there? There's last night the planning board of approval was passed preliminary approval to build uh where the Krowers market is the Krowers the um

714 through 720 Hamburg Trump 720 Hamburg 714 through 720. Most people think that's one continuous building where the two is, but there is a little alleyway in between there. Okay. Those buildings are owned by two different people.

So everything from the bagel store over to the right is going to be redone. They're gonna build eight apartments on top, redo the whole bottom, same retail staying in there. They all spoke and they're all going to stay in, but they're going to redo the whole building and it's a very pretty picture of what they plan on putting. It's going to have front bay windows, threedimensional in the front, redoing brick on the bottom of all the buildings. There'll be no more parking along Hamburg turnpike. The county won't allow it anymore. So, all the parking will be in the back of the building for the residents. They're doing two spots per unit. So, they have 16 parking spots. we only require here in Lee development at 1.5. So they actually gave two more spots. Um and then there's another 16 spots for retail. So they have a lot of parking there. There were a couple residents that came and complained. The people that live on the Quanic were nervous, rightly so. Um and and they did listen. The garbage corral initially was put in the back right corner by Puquanic Street. Some of the neighbors were complaining, I don't want a garbage corral there. So they moved it to inside their own building. So it's no longer there. They were concerned about a fence that they're going to put up. They're going to build a little retaining wall that's about 3 ft high and then put a fence on top of that so the property stays private. They asked about cleaning up all the cars and garbage in the back of the building. That'll all be redone. So that project, you know, that's a nice little project there. The other project is across the street. Uh the old pharmacy that they've been working on for 100 years. Um the rules on that is as long as they're uh Are you not going to give me

7:35 Hamburg? Um the rules are as long as they're working or putting a nail in in place, there's no timeline when they have to finish. They are doing that. So, but it is a very slow project, but that's going to be doctor's offices and a pharmacy. That's what it's supposed to be. And then in Wayne, just on the other side of that, you know, the new baker is coming in that is in Wayne, but it's, you know, right there on Palton Lakes. Uh nothing, no more really new projects are forwarding yet. There's people are sniffing some things out, but there's nothing really going on after that. We have 125 Washington building coming to the board.

Yes. So, that was supposed to come last night to their planning board. 125 the Washington building where where the bakery is and all that. They're keeping, I think, the same number of apartments, but rearranging what they have and redoing the whole facade in front and inside of the building. They're going to make that whole corner look very nice. That was before us, wasn't it? Yes, it was in front of us. Yes. And they were coming for the second reading, right? Is that right? Planning. Oh, no. They hadn't gone to the planning board meeting, right? The planning board meeting went till 11:00. It was a long game. They were second and they never got there. So, they're going to have to come back. Okay. So, that one is is there. I haven't heard more from Smith project in a while, which is the ice cream station, right?

Um I think there was an agreement from this board that maybe the project was a little big for that corner. Um so maybe he's rebanding that. I don't know. Uh I think that's it. That's What project? Oh, thank you. Uh the sea project which you guys all approved that's ready to go. 22 units. They're in the process of getting builders together and building that. Um there is some planned issues. The plans. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. There some issues with the plan. Um according to the according to the resolution and according to the plans that were submitted. So nothing signed yet with 61Q as of yet.

Yes. Okay. Is there something is there a freestanding building going across the street by Starbucks in in a class? No. So when we make so for the board there new members there that owner of that shopping mall initially when he purchased that shopping mall he didn't purchase it to buy that shopping mall. He was actually buying the shopping mall where Marshalls is located now in Kaman but these packages come with three balls in a package. So he got ended up getting our mall. Oh. Um, so once he got them all, and I will tell you, I worked with that landlord who owned that property for a very long time.

He wanted to break up the uh acne space into small retail spaces. And once you do that, we're never getting a food store back. We were just so he worked with me and he kept it empty for over a year and we got life. I understand. They're working on that. Um, but at least it's a food store. Uh so once he did that then he made he asked to make condominiums properties of that home wall. So Starbucks owns their site. He owns most of the retail site except for the um self storage that's in the back and there is an extra pad that was part of that plan that is to the left of Starbucks on the other side of the highway kind of behind the charging stations. Oh,

but they haven't approached anybody about building anything. But yes, they they could if they wanted to. They already got approvals for that, you're saying? No, they have no approvals. They just got approval to have a tag there. Okay. So, they'd have to go to all the boards to make sure it works, to put it in, whatever they they plan on putting. Okay. But it's a new owner. So, that mall was sold. Oh, it was that was sold. So, the gentleman that owned that doesn't own it anymore. Oh, okay. Um, you know, it's part of one of these larger conglomerates of people that own malls. You know, we don't really see them or talk to them much. You know, they're they're just doing their thing. I can tell you this that you know he charges the rent is high over there and the rent and the and the mall is full. That's a good sign. And and we got we have two more things coming in there, right?

Two small they subdivided two little areas. I mean two little small stores there. Uh cookies and cream I think is one of them and Fruitable Fruit something. Uh so you know that area is is 100% marketed which is you know that's a big deal. You know you go a lot of towns and that's not actually happening. So that just shows people are taking interest in what we're doing here and trying to say, "Hey, look, let me get in on the ground floor uh before things take off." Okay. And just one last question. That pharmacy you're talking about in Hamburg turnpike at 7:35 Hamburg turnpike, what are they doing back there? They that that guy did a great job putting that wall back there. Well, the wall had trouble. So the wall, what happened? They put that whole wall up,

but when they did that, they chipped away at the mountain to build the wall. Well, there was no permit to do that. They weren't allowed to do that. That was the delay. And that went to court and and a settlement was reached between them and the state and the town to fix what they had done. That took some time to to go through that process. So, that's what slowed them down a little bit. But the end result is the wall will stay, but they got to do some other things. It's the actual building that's taking. Mhm. Yeah. And the other question I'm getting asked a lot too is again I'm going to call I'm old. I called the old channel's building what they address that um that that strip mall uh you know people were asking what's going on with that that one that had the Chinese fire

the Chinese they actually did some work on it by removing the wood and everything but didn't really get the permits to do that. So that was part of a problem. So I spoke to the owner because there's another gentleman in town that he owns a couple establishments who's interested in purchasing that property. So I I hooked them up and um he said to me that uh he's fighting right now with the insurance companies to get every last dollar for the fire. So it's going to take some time. So you know unfortunately there's not much we can do with that. It's just going to sit like that for So the previous retail like the commercial retails that were there, they're not going to come back. He didn't say that. He said he was hoping they would come back, but I don't know. As time goes by, what will happen?

Now I know a lot of people are asking about the Chinese restaurant that was there. I I don't know if they want their models or not. I think they live in our neighborhood, don't they? Is that the same people? I think so. They could be. The house on the left are headed to Ringwood Avenue. Yeah, they might be. Or they I know question. So crowers across the street, they're bringing a sidewalk through there. So that's that's a great question. So like that whole area I know is in our our

pedestrian plan for reconfiguring that. So what happened is they came to the planning board initially with all this stuff and we said look this is a project that's on a county road you need to go to the county first before you go to us cuz they're going to tell you stuff and they did that and the county came back and said we no longer allowing cars to enter or exit onto Hamburg turnpike if possible. So they want everything coming off the sides of thing. No more backing in or backing out. So, all that parking that they have in front of the stores now, as you see it,

they're going to, and this was discussed by the residents, they had a a sidewalk, some shrubbery and greenery, and then they were going to just leave regular space open of pavement for delivery or whatever else. After hearing and talking to the board last night, they decided to cut that uh parking area into half and make more greenery in the front. So, there'll be a strip maybe 8 ft wide in front of the building. there's not enough to park so you don't have any issue with cars trying to get in there from be a loading zone strike as a yellow. So my concern was the bag for example, right? If you don't put a ballard or a curb where the two places meet and that side is parked, of course they're going to drive into that side to park. They're running out.

Um so they're going to put a curb or Ballard in there so they don't allow people to get in front. And then when you're facing the building to the right of Krowers, there will be parking alongside that building. That'll be retail parking and then across the driveway will be residential and residential in the back where the old staircase photo booth used to be. One uh elevator to the back left. Okay. It's it's it'll be an improvement to that building and I understand I can only go by what the owner said. All the businesses that are there now are excited about it and want to stay and want to be part of the development. I think they're going to try to build around them because it's just facade that they're changing on the front. not carrying everything down and then adding two stories on top of it.

And then anything left of the bagel store will just be as is from the bagel store over two. All that will all be the same. That's not so they'll show back in and back out. Yeah, they'll it's two different orders. Maybe he sees something going on there. Hey, that's nice. Let me see if I can Okay. cuz I know that was one of the big comments with that new Italian bakery open across quick check is that's a potential pedestrian draw and there's no continuity to get from Pton Lakes to Wayne. Oh, so right. And that and I think that's why they actually put that building sideways. They probably wanted that building facing and the county probably said no way we're going to pull off that way. Right.

Um, so they're what I'm understanding from the county is they're they're trying to slow traffic down on all these major roads by not allowing people to back up or drive into the these roads, which which is good because there's been a lot of accidents. Yeah. Yeah. No, and you're right. So that that area I don't I guess if you're walking from the other side Yeah. There's not the bridge. There's no sidewalk on the bridge. Well, what are we doing? Right. Right. Yeah. So just I should throw in too just because all the bridges are going to be done redone highway bridge is being replaced with a new bridge. Okay. Um the bridge but the falls bridges bridge at the falls is not the bridge. Yeah. Yeah. And that one has no sidewalk. It has no sidewalk. I don't think that Oh, maybe it does. I think it does. I think it does. One side does.

Yeah. One side. The bridge over here by Max is going to be redone. And the bridge by Hersel Park. Never going to be redone. The one by the Hersfield. Never bridge this year. Hersfield's this year. Yeah. I I I called the county asked them to do our bridge first. And they said uh it's going to be they're having trouble getting the steel or something. Bridge isn't even built yet. Yeah. For the second one. Yeah. The first one's done. Yeah. First one's done. So So that's what I got. Looks anybody's got questions.

All right. At some point we just we'll circle back on there was discussion about sewer allocation. Glenn, you and Glenn were meeting with them and at some point I guess we'll get that. I I I think you guys have the right as a board to, you know, meet independently with a committee or with in in part with hear their side of what they're saying. You know, you got the report, the same report that we got. I think they Did we get a report? We didn't get a report. I didn't get a report anything. You're saying the MUA issued a report. The MUA did a report, right? Um by the request of of some people and it came back that there's room for roughly, depending on how you do it, 150 to 200 more units to be built in town. I get that.

Okay, I'll ask him. I'll ask Michael to send it to you guys. Uh, you know, it's lengthy. Um, and then there would have to be talk about redeveloping a a sewer power plant. Now, I can tell you by speaking with the MUA, they are not for putting the cost of a new sewer plant on the taxpayers.

So, they don't fair it's fair to all the taxpayers. So, that would tell me that they're looking either a developer to do it or they can't do it. Now, after saying all that, that changes because if there's they already have 15 credits and then you only add 10, you know, that that 150 gets made. But if like that big project with 14 stories, if they were trying to put that in now, they wouldn't have sewer. They wouldn't. And and and for the people who have been doing this a long time, we were told 10, 12, 15 years ago, sewer's not an issue. Plenty of room. We got no problems. And then they did the study. So, right. And I think that's important for us. I guess that ties into the next question of discussion about redevelopment and master plan. Sure does and and that focus that weighs heavily on Sure.

because we don't want a 10 story and then everyone else is locked in at one or two stories. And and and the other side of that too is this is public knowledge. So anybody who's looking to build knows the first 150 or 200 are getting in and then after that it's a free-for-all. So, you know, you might start to see some projects just trying to get in, trying to get to that 150 number, 200, whatever it is, um, just to get built because what they do is everything that's that I talked about has been okay already by the MUA, so that it's been put aside. So, they're counting all that into the process already. So, if something wasn't to be built for some reason, that would add more availability. But right now, you know, a big building here, CGM, the county projects are all included in that.

Okay. Right. And the state's talking about ADU legislation. So if Yes. And there's all kinds if all of a sudden we had half units on a lot of properties, that could change the equation, too. And and look, I I think it's important for us to understand, and I know people hear this, but they don't understand it. The reason so many units are being built in Wayne right now, you know, 3,000 units built in Wayne. But the reason is is they lost lawsuits to developers. And when you lose a lawsuit to the developer, they have full reign. They can do whatever they want, build whatever they want. Wow. If you don't, and that's why we have this board. That's why your your jobs are so important here because we're trying to stay in front of that because if, god forbid, a a builder wants to sue us and we lose,

he can do whatever he wants. We have no say the state would come in and say no, but we as a town have no say. And that's what happened in Wayne. They lost two lawsuits and they got 3,000 apartments going. Wow. And by the way, because they have no say, they're not one and two bedrooms. Some of them are threebedrooms. And if you saw just today, there was an article in the paper. School system is very concerned about all the kids that are going to be entering the uh school system with three bedrooms. I was just talking to a gentleman in Bound Brook. They built a thousand apartments, but there were only studios, one bedroom, and 10% two bedrooms. Thousand apartments. And it only he said it only added 16 students to their schools. Well, that

because people can't fit in these apartments. And that's why it's so important what you guys are doing. one and two bedrooms. Once you get to that threebedroom, that's a different that's a different island. You know, it's a house. You got people going to bring kids in, right? So, what's the time frame on that redevelopment uh on the the resoning master plan? That's up to you guys. I mean, that's in your Well, I thought that was going to be a joint planning council budget for next year, right? We're we're still deciding how we're going to budget. There's two ways we can go with this. there's a fullblown way which is going to cost a little bit more money or a a kind of piece together meal one but the problem is we've pieced together it the last couple times we have

so there's a lot of amendments to the amendments to the amendments so the money we're probably leaning towards redoing the whole master plan okay um there will be a committee being put together uh probably in November or December of two members of this board two members of the planning board, two members of the council um to discuss our future plan for development. Not not what we want to build, but what's our goal? What are we looking for? Are we looking for different styles, different colors? We want everything the same. That kind of conversation. You mean design standards? It's it's going to be design standards, but not this is what you have to do. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Suggestions. Suggestions.

Yeah, that's good. So, and that's going to be a shared group of people who make trying to make house and and the planner Kristen is going to put that together. Oh, okay. Okay. Nice report. Thank you much. Yes. Okay. Moving along. There are no uh correspondence. There's no uh conceptual presentation, no form applications, no resolutions. Any new or unfinished business? Actually, I have some. Oh. Um, just want to announce that and the mayor knows already. Uh, I will be stepping down December 31st. Oh, no. So, yeah, I just uh spent 40 years and I've had enough of You've had enough.

Everything. You don't have to do this for 40 on this just in general. You could do 40 years here doing things and popping. Oh, you're Where you going? No, I I'm going to retire from work. I'm just not going to do anything. I I am doing nothing. Sit in the garage with me. I'm going to sit in the garage with you. I don't know if that's a good idea. So, join you. Uh, just want to let you all know so nobody gets shocked. And uh, that was that. So, you're stepping down completely, not just chair. No, I'm stepping down completely. Yeah. So, I think I think I tried to do this last year. Was that Was your term up? You tried to do this? I tried to do this last year and and he said you got to stay a midterm situation or is there a term?

No, I I don't know. I don't know what um I tried to do this last year at pumping day is up to December 2025. There we go. Abby, yours is next year on the 2 uh 2026. Okay. Yep. All right. And your turn up at the end of the year. Yep. And is that your oper situation? Jason, sorry you're here for 29. You know, speaking of that, do these guys have to Well, not you. I was like, does does Jason have to take that course at Ruckers?

He took the course and there wasn't and I'm I'm going to speak to him tonight. There was an ethics class that he had to take, but it was completely not available at the time. So, I'm going to talk to you to see I'm going to look it up again to see to get you into the ethics class. Yes. But he did finish the first. Perfect. Yes. So, everybody on this board has been through that then. Oh, yes. Yes. Right on top of that. Right on top of that, Rose. I'm kidding. And and I should add, you know, the COA obligation, you know, that's a whole big whole situation in New Jersey right now. Yeah. We're lucky enough that our numbers were very close to what what we're asking for. So, they changed by one. But sometimes by one

it went up. Well, the state is saying I I don't remember the number 19. They're saying you should have 20 something something small. Um, but some towns are being told by hundreds, you know, different things. So, there's an actual lawsuit right now that a lot of towns are involved in that are suing the state saying this is not fair, it's wrong, and you're making uh assumptions on our town that are not true. We are not part of that lawsuit because our numbers are low. But a lot of towns, especially in Burton County, are part of that lawsuit. And I think it's going to grow and grow. Something's going to have to change with how they figure out this formula because that's what's driving all this this massive

because you have to meet this requirement. If you don't meet the requirement, you get fined or it goes into a builder's remedy lawsuit, which is half your lane, and that's where things go bad. So, they've got to come up with a solution. So, I don't know if they ever will, but that's part of the issue right now. Okay. Thank you. All right. I'm going to open up to the public for any comments. Seeing no public, I'm going to close the public session. Anybody else have anything they want to discuss to talk about, bring out? Motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Happy finally speaks up on time, baby. Right there. Second. Second, Matt. Okay, Matt. All right. Thank you everybody.

You took a vote. They said you have to stay. Thank you. And congratulations. Thank you very much. Yeah. As you're retiring from work, you know, in June. Yeah. try and get things lined up.