Redevelopment Agency - Regular Meeting

You're on. OK, fine. So I'll begin. The following are the minutes of April. No, I'm sorry. That's not what I'm supposed to be reading. OK, here we go. The following is the agenda for the regular meeting of the Palmton Lakes Redevelopment Agency. The meeting is to be held in the municipal building, 25 Lenox Avenue, on Thursday, July 16, 2026, beginning at 7.30 PM. Formal written advance notice is required by the NGSA. Ten colon four dash one has been provided and this meeting at least twenty forty eight hours in advance of today, giving the time, date and location and to the extent known at the time of the agenda of this meeting. Such notice stated that the formal action may or may not be taken. This meeting will be video recorded and will be broadcast. for later viewings for the public. The notice was posted on the bulletin board outside the Office of the Municipal Clerk, reserved for this and other similar announcements, provided to the record, the newspaper designated by the Borough Council to receive such notices, and filed with the Borough Clerk. We pledge allegiance. And to the oath of office, we have none. Roll call. Do we need to do, I guess, do we need to do a roll call? Ms. Novak? Here.

Mr. Sankey? Here. Mr. Ross will be absent. Mr. Kimberlin will be absent. Mr. Lavasi?

Here.

Mr. Represta?

Here.

And Mr. Vanden? Here. Councilman Bennett here. And when Dominic is absent. And here. All right.

And then we have the correspondence. We have none. and the minutes from April 30th. Okay, everybody get a chance to review the minutes? Anybody have any questions?

I have two minor, minor, minor notes.

Okay.

On the second page, executive is missing a U. That's all minor typos. And on the last page, new and unfinished business, mandatory land use board training. It should say it's stormwater training.

Which page? Oh, sorry, on the last page. The last page?

Mandatory land use board training. It's stormwater. That's stormwater training, right? Not significant comment.

But it's more accurate. The last page, the last page.

I think you're adding storm work, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just add that storm work training.

So people know what we're doing.

OK.

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as amended.

Great.

I'll second.

Okay, smart. Okay, so good. Thank you. And all in favor? Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay, good. All right. So we're good for that. We don't need a roll call, right? We can just go forward with that. Then we have approval of bills. Okay. Here again, we don't really know all the ins and outs of the bills, but everybody can see that we have a total of $2,112 in legal fees for the Smith properties. And that gets picked up, right? Yes. It's paid from the escrow. So we get a charge back.

So when anybody brings a project to us, they have to give us a certain amount of escrow. And any time we have any kind of bills, it comes out of that. And then we'll add more to it as we move forward.

You're looking at the minutes. You look at you look at the agenda for me. Oh, I'm looking at these two. Am I? I'm sorry.

There we go. Thank you. Where's 2000? OK, I'm sorry.

We do have legal fees, though. And so, again, that's for the capital. Dagley. and then also for the Smith properties, and they do get charged back. Okay. Yes.

So just so that I know we have some new board members. 6,081. There are no charges. You know, the town should be charged for nothing unless our professionals are doing something for us. Okay. That's the only way we get the charge. Everything else should be picked up by the cost of development.

Okay, good. Like the general matters are legal fees for Andy. and that comes out of the redevelopment budget, and then everything else is out of escrow. So if anybody would like to see anything, I have it here.

I'll make a motion to pay both bills.

All yours as well?

Yep.

Okay. Cincy? I'll second that.

All in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? We don't have a director's report, right? Well, I could help, so I had some meetings.

Okay. Yesterday I had a meeting with their team, and they are about two weeks out of finishing getting a temporary receiver. They came in asking for a temporary. I told them to be able to give them a temporary after 12 months out. We're not going to give them a final until we know the restaurant and the retail that's going. They want to start the temporary so they can start leasing. They hope to start leasing sometime in September and then see first residents moving in end of September, beginning of October. apartments that still need to have some work done for more inspectors finding some things. So those inspectors, those apartments are pulled out of the number and they probably didn't notice. I think it was around 120 apartments are ready to go at this moment that have been approved and to get the technology on. So it was a good meeting. I don't know if everybody's seen the Civic Center or been in the Civic Center. That's up and running and that was all done through that stair work. And now we're going to start renting that building out to the public. So that was a nice setup. The only change to the plan is the emergency door in the back here. When they put the plan together, the shed was still there. So now the shed is gone. They have to move it down further towards the sidewalk to open the gate because they had it initially there. So that's the only difference that they're doing is moving it there. And then the same... Meridian brought in a gentleman to oversee the project that's outside Meridian. It's the same person who's interested in buying the Susan project. So we met with him also, because he was at the meeting, and he wanted to know, he's very interested in buying Susie property assets, just as you guys approved it to make it happen, but he wanted to know the town's feeling, meaning how we feel about the project and the area. I said, look, that's been a blight in our town for many years, so we want to see that done. We want to fix that up. We want the gas station done. We want this project to happen. So it's already been approved pretty much by all the boards. So now they just have to move forward. So he's very close to making an offer to purchase it. And once he purchases it, he will start building it. This is a gentleman who only builds 50 units or less. So he's not a big builder building hundreds of units. He loves the town. He's worked on Cappadarius projects for many years. He'll have to get his own little project here. So the solution thing, which is only 22 units, is a perfect thing.

Don't we have to approve that?

That was a transfer.

We would have to approve the transfer.

And once you have questions, that's it. We're still, I have Sav going next week with the inspectors to CJM to ask them to clean up the front, change the wood, maybe even put back a barrier in front there so nobody gets into the front doors and windows. From the back, it looks great. From the front, it looks horrible. I wish they had done the front first and the back last, but that's not what they did. So he will be going over there to talk to them to tell them to clean up the front of that.

Okay, so we don't have a timetable on that one, though, do we?

Well, he's going to go talk to them this week. Well, when it's going to be done. Yeah. They're saying six to seven months. And then I had a meeting with Senior Housing. They're at the point now where they've rented out a 44, so they do a check on each person. They have 44 people who are ready to move in there, vets and seniors. I think 29 of them were from Compton, and the rest are from nearby towns. So they're just waiting for their temporary seal to finish the landscaping and then they will start. They're hoping to be moving people in September, in September also, beginning of October. They had some questions, you know, like garbage, for example. Who picks up that garbage? Does the town pick up that garbage, or do they have to get a private hauler? I suggested to them that they should probably get a private hauler, because we're going to be picking up twice a week, and a private hauler might have to pick it up more than twice a week. So they're still working out those rules. That's all I got.

I have two questions I'm already at. In the front, the parking, does there a roll-down door on that?

There's no door on that parking. There's no doors. There's no pad to get in or out of it. So I said, what's going to stop people from parking on the bottom floor?

And it just looks... just let's not finish without the roll down door.

I think, this is my personal opinion, once they see how that goes, they're gonna have to end something. You know, because it's not gonna work. Because he even said, so somebody goes in a parking lot...

I was gonna walk in there the other day and just check it out.

You can. As for any guys that want to go take a tour, the guy's name is Vinny. He's the managing there. He knows all about the boards and he's been involved with it. We're glad to give you a tour. Yes, that came up though. There is no uh gate or control and i said what day what happens when people pull into actual numbered spots right that someone has he said well we're going to have to address that within the management system they have a full-time manager that's going to be on some staff there and it's going to be the same person who's going to manage the 20 unit building also wasn't there supposed to be some kind of like you know a swipe card or something i that's to get into the uh department in the area. The garage itself is open. And remember, the county made no right-hand turn, left-hand turn decisions that had nothing to do with us. Coming out of the garage, let me get this straight, coming out of the garage, you cannot make a right turn. You don't make a left turn. But remember, the back garage, I mean the back building, does not attach to the front garage. any of that.

You can only make a left out? You can only make a right in. It's right in, right out. Right out, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Just right in, right out, yes.

And I was honest with him. I said to him, so now let's talk about, you know, what do you see the traffic concerns on? Because, you know, I do hear people put stuff up here. And he said he doesn't really see any issues of the cars because they don't all leave at the same time. They don't come back. He said the only issue he would see is when and they slow down the traffic there. So there might be some traffic to make a turn if your school buses stop for some reason. He doesn't believe there's gonna be any issues with the traffic if you didn't have it. He said, especially on Babcock, because that's a less used section and you can only get to the back building with that. You can get to the front garage from the front, but not to the back. So that one will be less used and there's more room to work there. So the other thing we did, I don't know if you guys know, initially they had six spots in front of the entrance on Babcock okay we said that's not going to work because how is the radius of turning to the parking lot oh that's not going to work so we told them we want you to get rid of those spots completely okay and they were happy with that because they didn't want to strike to do all that other stuff so they said we'll get rid of all those spots now we have you can still drive through the pond hole to go out by the high school or out by Babcock with no parking in the way right um so no

that the flagpoles are shown on the plan? Yeah, that's kind of funky. We've got all that space on that corner, and now it's like, it's filled with those flagpoles.

I was going to bring that up in my announcement report. This Wednesday, we have a council meeting. She'll be presenting the plans that we talked about about the meeting. And I already told him, I kind of lied a little bit and said that. If you already passed, you can't have certain flags up. He said the only flags we're flying there is the American flag, the town flag, and an N for green. signs or any of those other things. We just passed that. He was okay. And I told him too, I said, look, my personal opinion of the building, I love it. Everything looks great. I'm not a fan of the sign and I'm not a fan of the cuts. Yeah, because that's cluttered, very cluttered. They just like it. And they did measure the distances for wheelchairs. It does meet the requirements for wheelchairs.

Let us be aware of future flagpoles.

I mean, that's something you guys should think about as you move forward. I mean, if I had to review this, I would take the flagpoles out and take the assignment. I don't like this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

but we just went out and walked and looked at some of the projects.

That's a great idea.

You'd have to advertise it.

You'd have to advertise and make it available to the public.

No, you'd have to make it to the public. It would have to be. You would have to start here.

No, but you guys can go to small groups, too. Right, right. Or on your own. Yeah, but don't do it for them because you'd have to have the public. Every place that you go, they'd have to think.

Carm, you have Vinny's number, right? If you have, if you want, if you're home and free and have nothing to do, you can always just call Vinnie, you know, have a call, get Vinnie's number, say, look, I want to come over in an hour. You're going to be there. I can go meet you in the garage.

You don't have to take anything. Oh, okay.

I guess if you do that, just say you're on the ring phone.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter. I'm going to do it.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Okay, so we have no conceptual presentation. So we're finished with conceptual, nothing. So just the resolution now.

Yeah, let me discuss, I think, the status here, which we're unfortunately. Following that meeting, you know, you approved. He wanted an approval on the plans. So everything he presented, you approved, said, yep. and then subject to an agreement put together the agreement we looked at it i think donald clint saw it um put around and then the other side saw it and he agreed to the change that i did put in i think there's some things that may be in the minutes that are not in there explicitly they're not here so if you want to go through the things you think should be in there in the minutes. If you want, I can amend the resolution, amend the agreement to specifically include what you think are supposed to be in there. They're going to have to, he's going to have to say, yeah, if he was at the meeting in three minutes and he knows it too, then it should be a yes. But I think that that's the way to deal with it. So I think we should, everybody pull out your minutes. and what you think was supposed to be in there, and let's go through each one.

Can I just add to that? We're not talking about changes that are not in there.

Just the changes in the minutes.

Just things that are in the minutes.

Very good point. I hope I write everything in there.

Could you just speak to, just so we fully understand, right? We conceptually approve the plans. What if we locked up and never got to an agreement?

Then they have absolutely nothing. That was my point. It doesn't get them anything. And even that, it was kind of like a silly thing.

There were a lot of conditions.

Yeah. You don't get anything if you don't have an agreement that didn't designate them. Okay. I didn't think it was a good idea, but it also gave them nothing.

We're not like legally, you know.

No, they have no rights. They have no rights until they are designated. Just so that we just so. Yep.

Okay.

Yep. That's absolutely correct.

So they're designated.

They are not designated until you accrue a redevelopment agreement with them, which would have all the terms that you require of them. That's on the agenda, but I think that there's going to be some amendments to that, some additions, because of some things that maybe were not in that agreement.

So I think I'll start. I think we talked about at the meeting that the entrance in front of MOLPACs is one queue.

It is on the plan data. It's on the, I think it's a 6-3 revision. Yeah, it's the June 3rd revised plans. They show the corner cut.

Right, yes.

They show that with the overhang.

Mm-hmm.

Was that on the plane that was given to you, Ed?

Yes, and it was provided, and so it was provided to me, it was provided to, Carm has one, Kristen has one, Abby has one, yes. Those are the plans to be attached. That one's done, okay, already done.

So do we want to put that? It's done.

Those are the plans. That plan, that was just referenced, is going to be attached. That's their latest.

So that's done. All right. So then, okay, so that's the first one that we had. Provide 10-foot sidewalks along Colfax and Lakeside while maintaining the established building line on Wanakee. I think that's done, but I'm not positive, so we should...

Well, that goes back to the question, plus, is it cantilevered? We see that on the planet. So the only way that's going to work is if the bottom is pushed back, but then the upper part is going to work.

Well, didn't we look at it, and we thought that it was tentative?

The first floor is pushed back. Right, so it is. On that ground level.

On that corner? Yeah. All along Colfax, I thought.

Well, it's cornering Lakeside, too, right? It is pushed back along... You go to page, first page, page A201. It shows that it's set back. Listen, I think we should just still have it in there.

Yeah, I think we should have it in there. Just in case we're reading the, you know.

Can we leave it up top?

We can't tell that from there. We'll get there. That's a whole other discussion.

I don't think we've demanded that, by the way. I mean, they want to push the whole building back in. We would love that.

Yeah, that would be fun. So I guess I have a question. Do we have, like... So a lot of times the planning board has purview on a lot of things. We're conceptual, right?

No, you can get down to the color and texture of the bricks. You are as specific as you want to be.

Because there are times the planning board will listen to their meetings and on redevelopment they'll kind of wave their hands and be like, hey, redevelopment wanted it this way. We can't comment. So do we ever lay out So like I my thought would be if we wanted ten feet and their plans don't explicitly show it As they get to the planning board, they're gonna have a more detailed plan set Well, no, they show that they would have to show you can but what that's okay? Their plan should show explicitly.

Yes, I'll dimension and let me ask you was that and I'll go back to the minutes Was that in the minute stating? Yes

It says, provide 10-foot sidewalks along Colfax and Lakeside. We did talk about that.

It says it in the minutes, and yes, you can require them to do that. And going back to your question, the planning board I said on the play board also, they sometimes feel neglected that they can't make some of the changes that you guys have the ability to make because you guys have, I won't say more power, but a different power than the planning board, which was normally at that power, to do that. So sometimes they do say, we would have liked this, but they approved that at redevelopment, so we can't change that because redevelopment didn't work.

I wonder if sometimes we would be, well, we didn't think of that.

Well, that's why I had made the suggestion when we have an opening seat on this board, I'd like to put Mike Simone, who's the playing board chair, on this board also. And he would be the connection between the two boards to go back and forth. I think that would be a good idea. I think so. So that's something to keep in mind.

A question is, which is a good thing. Right.

Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, you can definitely say, okay, so that so we should include that.

Then we have investigate. I remember Matt. This is investigate the feasibility of adding on street parking along lakeside Avenue. We did talk about that.

Yeah, they submitted an investigation. I don't. I'm not sure if they knew, kind of followed what we were talking about. They showed a concept of putting two on-street parking spaces by eliminating the sidewalk. That was their proposal for the two on-street. Like just eliminate the sidewalk and put two right up, bump the curb in and flush with the building.

So there would be no sidewalk?

Correct. Or it would be a very, like a two-foot sidewalk. I think it kind of makes a plot on that.

When we did the other building across the street, they had much more room to work with on that side. So they were able to push the sidewalk in and then move the indented parking there. On the other side, there is no room to do that. So the only choice you have is to get rid of the sidewalk and don't pay a part. That's the only choice you have.

Isn't there parking there now? But now there's a driveway there because of the little parking space that the ice cream station has. So they have that blueprint.

the entrance into there.

I will say I don't know that I agree. I think what's misleading is their plans. Their survey and their base plans are from pre-Salvation Army development. On that side. So like it's not representative of how the road is actually configured today.

I don't know the size of that. I don't know. To me just driving past there doesn't seem like there would be enough room for a spot and a sidewalk. But maybe there is. I don't know.

They're very afraid of the county planning board. They made that very clear.

I would put in there, you could always say something like to the effect of, if there is enough space to do both, would you entertain the idea of looking at that? It would only be beneficial to them, because it's more parking spaces for their units. So across the street at the other place, There's parking for those units, and it's marked certain times of days when people can park there. It would be the same thing on that side. In certain times, regular people can park anytime they want, and at night, residents can park. So... Yeah, they'd only get through Spots Max, but... I don't know if it fits, so I can't dispute that.

Okay, so we could put in...

They just don't want to go to the county planning board. That is like their biggest sticking point.

But on Lakeside, would they have to go to the county planning board for that?

Not if it's just on Lakeside, but they would have to make modifications around by Colfax.

Well, either way, they have to go. They have to go to the county anyway. It's not like... And they're going to go to the county for Thawnecu and Colfax, that port Colfax. So, you know, either way they're going to go.

So we should just include that in there.

Well, I don't think we have to because the county does that, right?

If you want them to further investigate it and to be a requirement to put it in, but that doesn't do much other than say investigate.

The county, we don't tell them. The county tells them they have to come to us.

Should we put it in just so the planning board knows the threat of our thoughts anyway?

I don't know how you would do that.

That's the benefit of the engineer. She knows all the specifics of holding it back in the 10 feet and all that stuff. That's the benefit of having her on.

That would have been a good point. Maybe that question should have been asked to the engineer before the meeting. Is there room to put a spot and sidewalk? I can't answer that.

Like I need an updated survey to be able to show it.

So we should require updated surveys?

I think you're going to have to anyway when they do a project.

So I think we could make note that they have to update the surveys before submitting their planning an accurate survey of the intersection of Colfax and Lakeside, and in conjunction with the updated plan, investigate if they can mirror the curve returns and basically the configuration on the other side of Lakeside on this side.

And that would also, I would say, we should ask our engineer to also identify if that can be done. We don't want to trust their

Yeah, what I think what a word is that they'd have to investigate the parking on street parking on Lakeside and provide the analysis for the review of our Yeah Two spots are big Yeah, there are there is other on street parking on Lakeside further down here's on street parking in front of the

story true story yeah like all those places so okay then they evaluate underground stormwater management systems to the satisfaction of the board engineer that was on there they said no that was it that was their response they just said no that's not what they said no no and their and their engineer's response letter he said basically it's a professional opinion it's not feasible

Well, there are things that are beyond the scope of doing, you know, without carrying the whole block apart.

Again, I can't speak to that. It's a topography that I don't know.

I can't speak to any of that. So you'd have to get an SDNR engineer.

So you should ask for... Yeah, I mean, it comes down to how hard we want to push. That's really it. That's the...

All right. Revise the building design to accommodate dumpster storage on site. And we talked about this or secure an easement for dumpster places.

We have that. That's the easement. The easement for either truck access to get there or for the dumpsters to be out, because then they would have to lose parking spaces to put the dumpsters there. That's in this. That's in the. OK.

but they haven't tried it, right? They haven't worked that out yet.

Yes, they just have to have the easement that will accommodate what they're going to propose.

So we're, and then we have, I'm sure the building is pet-free. I know they said they... In there. That is in there, okay.

I'm reading this comment on the corner here. I think this addresses what you brought up about the shrubbery.

Yeah, this, right, this is the one about the COA... Yeah, the co-op apartments.

And that's in the agreement that they wrote there? That is in our resolution referencing that they are approved, including the plans that were provided by their architect on July 16th. which was today, finally.

But my question is, what they're presenting here wasn't presented in that meeting, right?

No, but it is now. They have said that they will do that, and so the resolution approving the redevelopment agreement, if they choose to do that tonight, specifically references that plan that you're pointing to. It will include these subjects in the review and approval.

And I'm not going to pull the emails. How did this come about? Did someone ask?

We had talked about the COA ground floor kind of at the tail end of the meeting, and it was kind of like, oh, yeah, we'll have to deal with that.

Yeah. Coa is an obligation that they have to follow. There's no around that. Where they put it is really up to them. They can put it anywhere in the building they want. And we have our own coa group that handles the coa. So they're not even in charge of who gets in the coa. That's all done through a group that we hire. So they have to say it. They just have to.

We just did this particular apartment building was just right on the public side. OK, good. Gooseneck lighting for signage instead of backlit signs. Talk about that. So that's.

Yeah, the agreement makes sense. So gooseneck permitted and no backlit.

Yeah, I think I saw it somewhere. Okay, can we move or revise rooftop overhangs if they extend into the public right-of-way without approval? We talked about that at the meeting.

I don't know if the rooftops are going to extend into the right-of-way.

Yeah, we were talking about the alley sidewalk.

No, the right-of-way faces the building. Their property line is the building face. No, I understand. And their building comes up at the property line, and at the top, the overhang extends. past their property line. Right.

But most places do that, right? They have some type of molding or something.

Right.

Yeah, I just don't know how we permit that.

Yeah, they would need the consent of the borough to do that.

But what I'm trying to say is that's not an unusual thing that happens on every building. Even small houses, we do that. You know, there's an overhang on top that's over our property. They have to get a piece of an agreement to do that. But, you know, the CGM building had that... port in the back where you could drive under. That was an already, you know, they had an easement. And by the way, they used that. Didn't they use that when they were building that we had this easement already for the deck that was there that would give me that space?

Honestly, I only flagged it because it's a large... It doesn't have a dimension. And in the rendering, it just...

Especially meridians sometimes that that corners at the top we can make the building feel overwhelmed The way the way it is dressed at least in the back doorways They cannot legally do that until the barrel says yes if it's in the right way then the borough can get into Yes, they can't apply They can't apply for anything. I think this is like late. Yeah, yeah, and they can't do it if the brother doesn't say yes, I That's the question. The county would step in. Oh, the county.

Because it's into the Wanaque app. It's into the Wanaque app right away.

So they'll probably pull back on that anyway. But, yes.

I don't know if the county would.

Well, no, the county's pretty certain.

They met, I mean, they met. They'll have several stories out of the county.

Yeah, I don't know the height. They have high requirements depending on how high you're going and how much overhang can be. And if it's only one story, it's this. If it's three, five stories, it's this. But I don't know the story.

I just wanted it brought up so that it doesn't show an exact dimension, and I just don't want it to feel like it's overpowering that area.

So I think what you should say, which is criminology anyway, they would need an easement from the town if they're going past the right way.

I would say from the public entity, right? Because it could be the county, it could be the town, and let them figure that. Because he basically said to have the overhang, they'd have to push the building back. To have the overhang that they're showing the plans, they'd have to push the building back to make it stay in line, the property line.

Yeah, there's not many buildings doing that. No. Just to keep it alive. No.

All right. Then we have installed planches around the courtyard perimeter. We did talk about that.

Is that this or is that something else?

No, that's within the courtyard. In the courtyard? Yeah, in the courtyard. We also have the same problem as we have with the COA units where anybody using the courtyard could come right up to a private window. And again, I don't remember.

I don't have the minutes in front of me. Did they agree to that?

I think they did.

It's shown on the plan.

Okay. Yeah, right. It is shown on the site.

Okay, so that is shown on the plan.

Okay, so that's done.

Okay.

And then we have Submit Updated Architectural Renderings. We have one that was submitted on the 5th. It doesn't have all design revisions because we have the co-revisions afterwards, but I think it has everything else. Do you see anything missing?

I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

It's just that bump back for the... That's funny to actually show this.

Does it show the angled on the angle?

It does. This one it shows. Kristen did have a comment. She did something about... She spoke with Kristen and... They angled the corner, and typically you would put the door there, not a window, because you would want to make that the focal point of the business. And in the rendering, they're showing it as a window. So she said she would be commenting on it. I don't know that we got a revised report from her, but that she would comment that it should be a door. The door should be at the corner.

Yeah.

So I would just put that in as a comment.

And was it just... Okay, so that's it, right there.

Yeah, see how that overhangs?

Right.

That is where they chamfered that corner.

Okay, but they didn't go all the way up there.

No, what they were saying is it wouldn't go all the way up. You would have to adjust the footprint of all those buildings.

Yeah, there's no way they could.

Okay, so today she had a comment about that.

Being a window instead of a door. Instead of a door, okay. Make a statement that I can...

Yeah. So acknowledging, you know, receipt, acknowledging that they modified the corner at 1Q and Colfax. But based on conversation, you know, based on input from the planner, we would require that the door, you know.

Well, can I ask, is there a door on that side?

There is.

There is another door on that back side? Because if there's no door, then it would be.

Could have a look at the...

I don't think they would have two entrances.

Well, they could change one. That should be the main door.

No, the main door should be unlocked.

So that is shown as coffee shop. That... That corner unit. And right now the door is pushed all the way up Wannekew towards Meridia. So you would just move that door to the corner instead of the door right now. It's getting into the retail.

Yeah, to get into the retail.

That's not to get into the apartment. No, it's to get into the retail. The corner retail unit there.

If you look at the building as it exists now, they have that angled doorway.

To go into the beauty shop? No, we're talking about the front right now.

Oh, you're talking about where the beauty shop is?

Yes. Oh, I thought that was the door. That's not the door?

They just made it a window for some reason. That's where they cut that corner.

That's just a window. I'll tell you why they probably did it that way. because that doorway will get them into the apartments and into the retail. They don't want, is it separate?

No, it's just, it's a floor plan. It's just the coffee shop.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Yeah, then maybe we just put, you know, didn't think on it. I don't know.

Okay. Plus it's because if you put a door there, then you got to. Show some more space in the retail.

So do we want to see a rendering of like, we have to, do we want another rendering of the, of all the revisions, do you think?

Typically, I think it's subject to the review and approval of Kristen because she's going to see it for plenty of time.

Okay. And then add secure entrance if any non-resident access is permitted. Oh, remember we talked about that, but I don't know when they come up from the parking or if they're in the retail, I guess, area.

So there is underground parking in this.

Right. But it says add secure entrance if any non-resident access is permitted. Right.

There should be no entrance from the parking garage without a bomb to get into the apartments. Right. There's no open door, for example, to walk upstairs. Now, I don't know. Maybe they were saying there was open doors to walk into the retail. I don't know if that's what they were saying.

secure entrance of any non-resident.

I would say no to that too, by the way. The argument was, so what you're basically saying to the retail people is they have to walk out of the garage, walk around the building to enter in the front. And I don't see any reason that we should not agree with that. Let them walk around. You shouldn't walk more doors from the inside to get into the retail. you know, just because it's another doorway that people can get in and out of. That's something they have to figure out, though, you know, because it's their retail. So, if that means you're parking there and you have to come out steps around the ice cream station or the other corner, come around and get into the retail... No entrance to retail except from the street level. From the street side, right.

It looks like you will be able to come up the stairs, you'll be able to park in the parking...say you have a spot as the retail, you'll be able to park in the parking garage walk up the staircase, get into a hallway that will let you walk out on Colfax, but you will not be able to get into the residential portion of the main floor.

I think what will happen is maybe they weren't going to deal with some of the people who work in buildings in that retail. They'll give you a spot in the basement to park, and that would leave the street party open for customers, but they need a way to get in and out, so that would be coming through the hall. As long as you can't get into the rest of the building yet. That's common.

Okay.

So, um, so do you have a, no, no entrance to the retail except from the street. Okay. That accomplishes that because they have to come out, go to the street, then get in.

No matter how they get out, there could be a doorway out or go out and around. Yep.

Okay. Um, include, um, oh, management office within the building. I know we talked about this and provide regular posted onset management hours.

can't require management on site. to certain numbers to state. So a management office you want?

Oh, just an office or a person? It says here management office, but we did talk about...

Right, an office they could build, but are you asking to have a full-time person on staff there? Well, that's what we talked about at the meeting.

No, I think eventually them to have regular hours with the person when they're there. Right, I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, not living there, not a super...

Right. Right, so yes, you could do that, sure.

Yeah, okay.

They did an office.

And where is that? Is that next to the COA?

Yeah, it's on the first floor in the residential corridor next to the community center.

And just so you guys all know, for everybody on the board, the way they normally do this is they'll set up a fake apartment that's in these offices or wherever, and that's what they show people when they come in. It's not like they have every apartment that they're walking through saying, do you want this one, do you want this one? You see, this is a one bedroom, this is a two bedroom. And I actually tried to get pricing out of Meridian. And you know, it's how they, this is the way it works. If they're going to do a two year lease, there might be a better deal if they're doing a one year lease. If they're going to say they're going to be here for five years, they might get a better deal on the apartment. So they negotiate with every person that comes in. So it's hard to get a number out. Because I know people are asking, actually, they're asking how much they're costing.

OK, so we want we do want to make sure that they include a management office within the building so they have it. It's in the it's in the right. OK, so does anybody have any discussions? Anybody have any other expectation that they wanted to see in the resolution that we didn't talk about?

Apart from these, every other thing that we discussed is in there and we took out the, then we made some changes to saying that they so many subjects, finding financing and other stuff. So it was tightened up and the pets and no subleasing. A lot of that was in there. Um, there's a timeline, the regular timeline. So we schedule on what they can do that. They don't have a deadline to. get things they have a deadline to put in their applications to submit and to move things along which is normal um that's on a regular basis it's contingent on two two really big things one the approval of the pilot of the financial agreement and two the revision through the ordinance allowing certain allowing these changes so this is a compliance but they have to change the redevelopment plan they're going to work on that though they have to put together those are the two big contingencies but other than that it's just for the new people to go over

the process, you know, we're going to vote on this tonight, and then what's the next steps that happen?

Excuse me?

The next steps that, how the process moves forward.

For this, it is going to be, if you voted on it and approved it tonight, they have, they would have to look at these fuel additions and agree on it, then this agreement will be settled. then they have two things to do. One, they have the application to go to the borough seeking the pilot, which is the tax exemption and the structure of that and how long it's going to be. They have to negotiate that with the borough. You don't do that. You're making a recommendation based on Glenn looking at the financials that it's not going to work with regular taxes. He's not saying what it should be or how much, but it won't work. So you are making a recommend, you're being asked to, there's a resolution to recommend that the borough negotiate a redevelopment, a financial agreement. But then also in a parallel track, they are going to be putting together a draft ordinance to change the setbacks and the bulk standards for this redevelopment area so this property becomes a conforming application. So when they go to the planning board, they won't need any variances. So those are the two things they're going to be doing once this agreement gets approved and signed. Once those things, if they're done, once those are accomplished, then they'll put together plans and submit to the planning board, which then would go through their regular planning board approval. They're going to need some county approval, but then it's going to go forward that way.

And the other thing I'll add to that is the council does vote on some of these things. The plan that they're putting together, the agreement, the council has to vote on it. So they can go yes, they can go no on that. So no matter what you do here, they vote no to that. The project doesn't go forward unless they change the agreement and everybody's happy.

And they also have to approve the easement that they're asking for to get the access to the parking and for the garbage.

So the council does have a vote on the project twice, really moving forward on how this happens. When it gets to the planning board, this is where it gets a little different. When it gets to the planning board, the planning board becomes the advisory board. to everybody. They can't, usually the planning board has the final say to make changes. You guys have that ability, where the planning board really doesn't. Because it becomes a conforming application. Right. So sometimes they'll make suggestions to you, like we've had it happen in other projects, where, you know, we all miss things, but the planning board catches something, and they'll call the redevelopment agency and say, we just noticed you're missing this, and then you guys can add that back in. So it's kind of like a double check from both boards. That's good. Look at both things. But you guys have more power at this moment that the planning does, which is kind of backwards.

So right now, we'll vote, and then... Two votes.

One, to approve the execution of the redevelopment agreement was attached subject to the revisions that we talked about, and I'll make those changes before it goes over to them. Second one is just a plain old that you will recommend to the borough that they negotiate and look at a financial agreement or a pilot. And that's what it will be.

So I just have a quick question. Sure. If we decided... Be quick. If we decided right now, even though it wasn't discussed in our last meeting, you know what? We don't want to cordial. It's too late to make that.

They're going to complain about it, but they have no right, no ability to go forward until you designate. That's why I told Steve, why are you looking for a vote on approving the plans? Because you get nothing. You wanted it, technically you can do it. They can't go to court and say, they couldn't go to a judge and say, oh, they said this. Nothing's approved until the agreement's approved. So, no, nothing's approved.

So what you're doing at this moment is just recommending to the council to vote. You're not voting really on anything except to send it to the council.

The council makes the changes on the ordinance and the financial agreement. Nothing goes forward without that.

But if we agree to the agreement, we agree to the agreement. If we agree to the agreement, we're blessing the plans. We're saying yes. You're saying yes to seven times. Yes, we're saying yes to seven times. Correct, correct, correct.

And we have said yes, this board has said yes. And we've said yes seven times.

And then you said yes. Yep, yes. So again, I only do this for the new people. The reason these boards are set up is because when a town like us, which is a small town, is changing council, It's very difficult to get, because projects take a long time. The Meridian project took 10 years. You know how many different council people have been involved with the council while that went on? So what we decided early on was to let a board like you, who has the knowledge and is consistent, get that information over to us because it's so hard to get halfway there and then three new council people come in and then you start from scratch again and it just keeps changing from year to year to year when you do that. So that's why the redevelopment, and by the way, the redevelopment agency, as you all know, is a state-run agency. We didn't just pick this out of the sky and say, let's make a redevelopment agency. It's run by the state. There's requirements that we have to do, but it gives a little consistency to what we want. But the council does still, you know, I always tell the council, and I've noticed this, at the end of the day, it's their decisions about how things are going to happen. You know, they're elected to make those decisions. So sometimes we say yes, sometimes we say no. And again, it depends who's on the council, right? It could be this council says yes, the next council says no. It's just the way it is. Yes.

All right. So on the financial resolution recommending the financials, there's a whereas that the PLRA has reviewed the financial proposal and projection that we've done a financial review.

And I can amend that to say that the PLRA... Professionals have. Professionals have.

I have not seen anything in the financials. So I struggle with this whole thing because They come in and they say, we can't make three stories work financially, and we just have to take it on faith. We don't see those financials. We're not party to that pilot discussion. So we're taking it on faith that that truly is only going to work as a four-story building.

But that's why you have Glenn, and there's certain licensing you need to do that. He's supposed to be looking at that. along with our borough attorney and your attorney here on the board, they sit together and talk about that. Even the council.

And I would love Glenn to have us an executive session and explain it to us.

Yeah, he could, but that's not a normal procedure. I mean, it really has nothing to do with even the council. We don't know. We have no part in it.

But we're being asked to approve a project that doesn't agree with our standards. on the premise that it only works financially. So then they're going to go to the council and they're going to say, hey, you guys worry about finances. Don't worry about the scope of the building. Redevelopment already says they love the scope of the building. And it's one of these, right, where we don't know the money. We're told don't worry about the money. And then just we have to do this size building. And then the council's put in the opposite position of, well, you guys are just really looking at the money redevelopment plan. No, no, we're looking at New Orleans instead. We vote on New Orleans. I know. It's just, it's, so as a new member who's never been, and I know talking to the other Andy back, originally redevelopment used to be more involved with the finances. On earlier projects. We did it because. And then we stopped doing that.

The old borough attorney was not familiar. Okay. I've done, I do financial agreements a lot. Okay. So I was comfortable looking at it and doing it. They took it back. Mark is good at it. Mark Cimarero, the council, knows those things. Gotcha. He knows the finance. That's why it went back that way. Okay. if you're if you're not comfortable and you want to wait till glenn has looked at it do it that's that's fine so you can either do that or you can i'll amend it to say the board's professionals have reviewed it and are of the opinion that uh it doesn't work with conventional taxes which is not that is either but let's go back to what i'm saying what are the no's that we said on a different building

was the council didn't like the setbacks and the heights and all those things. And no matter what you guys had said, approved it or not, and they did approve it, by the way, the board did send it over. They said no to that. So that's where the council comes in. They have to hear the money side of it. And yes, we will get a presentation from our borough attorney. on why the finances work for everybody. But then there's the other side of that, too, where the building's too high, it's too many cars, we don't like it, we say no. So there is other options besides just the financials, is what I'm trying to say.

I would ask that we revise the resolution

Which makes sense. And let's also have an executive session. It'll be after the fact. But Glenn will explain, give whatever explanation you want, his review of why it doesn't. And he didn't say how long it should be, the numbers, but his review is not working.

I think that's a great idea. They could be saying, oh, we need five stories, right?

They did.

And they did at one point. Next meeting, we'll have an executive session and we'll go to finances.

As Andy said, when we didn't have an attorney who was knowledgeable in this, some of the attorneys were like, I don't really have good knowledge of this. We would have those executive sessions where attorneys would come in and explain it. Not their attorneys, our attorneys. So everybody got a feel for it. Now we're in a place that we have people that we feel confident know what they're talking about, but you can always ask to have that at 20, that's not a problem.

Yeah, and I know some of these guys have targets. They have targets in what they want to see in a pilot as far as rate of return and that kind of stuff. I don't know if we have those targets or if we have like, specific goals that we're looking for.

I think you know you have an environmental, I mean a financial consultant that looks at, is it Phoenix Advisors? Yes. So Phoenix looks at them and they'll go through since this is a mixed use, it's not, you know, typically what they're shooting for in IRR in a warehouse is different from a residential, different mixed use. So yeah, they'll look at it out of that, you know, what does the industry expect for their returns?

And you know where that came into play? With the senior house, They came in, they wanted to build the building, and they wanted a 2% tie-in number. That's not what we normally do. We don't normally do a 2%. And they hung and hoed and said, this is a county project. It's helping your residents, it's your vets, it's your seniors. And we did give in to the 2% or whatever the number was. But we did give in to that because we did want that building to help our residents also. But if this builder came in and said I want the 2%, our professionals are gonna say no, that's not how we do this. It's not gonna be 2%.

And Phoenix will go through that.

It would go a long way for us to understand, okay, a hypothetical building, right? If we were gonna give them five stories, they would agree to give a 15% rate to the town, right? What does that mean? Okay, that means the town's going to get X amount of dollars in their pilot pigment, right? And at a four-story, the town gets less. You know, like that would help us to understand a little bit.

Yeah, what will help you understand, too, is we, in the past projects, when we talk about the past projects, we did not go lower than 10, but escalators every couple years, five years, or 10 years, getting up to 15 or 18%. when the 30-year pilot was over. So we start at 10. Maybe we owe the beginning five years a little light to get them started, and then we catch up on the back end to make up the difference on that one. But what you're asking is, and I don't know the answer to that, to be honest. Does five stories make a difference than four stories when we're figuring all that out? I don't know if that plays into it. But I think what we look at from our experts is, what is our end percentage that we're looking at on 10 adults? You know, it starts at 10, ends at 15. five years, 16, you know, what is it we end up with and what percentage do we want? So I can tell you the sweet spot for us is around 15% when we're all sitting down. Now, times have changed. Maybe it's higher. I don't know. This is going back a couple years.

And that's 15% on their revenue. On their revenue for what they're taking in.

Again, that's the problem I have with this whole thing. It's their audit that we have to go by.

We don't do the audit. They do the audit. You have a right to look at their record.

They have a CPA that has to be with people at home who might be less than, right? It's that 15% or a cap, a lower cap of what their property value, it's like a growing percentage of what their property taxes would be under a normal tax scenario.

We're never going to get less than the taxes we should have collected. Correct. It's always pretty much going to be more. Even if they don't hit their goals, they'll always be more. Okay. Okay. As you said, you can add that if you want to have an executive session.

No, I didn't get the idea. So the second resolution will also be, I'm going to have to amend the second resolution. It's not going to read that the redevelopment agency has seen and reviewed the records. It's that their consultants did and advised that it does not work under normal taxation. But the first one is the first.

Just to clarify my question before, so we voted last week, right? But we went home, rethought a few things and came back and said again, I'm just used to courtyard as an example. I don't want that courtyard. What's our next step? Is that something we have to discuss here? Do we just vote no on the resolution? How does that work?

If you want to raise it with the members, you can raise it with the members. What would happen is the member, the agency itself was okay with this. So you're going to run against, this is just a practical thing, you're going to run against other people that were okay with that. Want to rehash it to the extent that they don't like it, so what? But they're going to say, you said okay to me. But until they have an agreement, until things are signed, nothing is final until things are all finally signed.

I think what the confusion is, you did not vote on anything. This is the vote. Some of the people come in because it cost them a lot of money to make the process happen. They want to try to get a yes before they get a yes.

Like a provisionary yes.

I had another developer who insisted on wanting to know Would I get a yes? And I said, I can't tell you. You know, at the end of the day, you have to go through the process. And he even hired an attorney to try to fight us to say, I want to know yes before I put money in. And he didn't quit. And that's where that gray line is, right? Because that's the developer saying, this could cost me 20 grand before I even do anything. And then I'm told no. That's the chance you take if you want to build a building. That's what happens.

But then, you know, I guess we have to also see, like, how many years has the Smith property been coming? They've been coming a while. Yeah. And so, I mean, we started out.

And they've done everything they do best.

Right. And so we started out at, you know, something much different than what we're looking at now. They have made concessions. And it's a better project, I think.

I would have said no to the first couple projects.

Yeah, I did say no to them.

Yeah, I would have said no to them. I think they really listened to you. reduced the units, they bought parking from the town so they didn't have to get all these easements and build garages, and they kept the retail, which when Councilman DeLine was on, that was a big fight for him. You're not going to build a building that had less retail. That's what they presented initially. So I think they did try to work with us on most of the stuff they asked for. They didn't come in here and say, I want to vote now on this. And they might have lost, by the way, and called for So I agree with what you're saying. They've been changing, as they call it.

I just want everyone to keep that in mind that it seems to be a much better project than we initially had. And look at what's there. I mean, I know that the ice cream station is a big concern. That's open space that we're really concerned for there. If we want open space, I think we need to, within the town, I think we need to start to plan for that. That's not something, you know, that we have a lot of jurisdiction over as a board, but maybe as a planning opportunity within the town, within the town proper, the uptown area, we can plan for open space. It's just that.

And I think the other thing you have to, and I say this because it's an honest way to say it, say for some reason this project doesn't happen. That doesn't mean he's going in and fixing up all of his retail to make it look great and bring in great customers. We can stop with junk sitting there if it's not renting. And I go back, and a lot of you don't remember the Salvation Army building. That was an high school building. It was a bad building. And for people to complain, no, we missed the building. We didn't miss the building. It's like the gas station. Nobody wants that jokey-looking gas station sitting there. We want something better. So that's where this project is, too. He'll tell you, and this goes back to your concern, I can't rent the space that way. I don't agree with that 100%. I think he puts more time, energy, and money into it. Maybe it looks better. Maybe he does. Maybe it works to his advantage. I can't right now. But at the end of the day, he could just say, OK, you're done. I'm just leaving it as it is and I don't want to do it. Play the game of chicken.

Right.

And my problem with that, though, is, yeah, it doesn't look good now. I'm 100 percent in agreement. Would this look better? Maybe. But is it what we want is just better? goal, or is it something that we truly want to have in the town? And that's where I'm kind of suffering.

Right, and I hear that, and this is a thing that every town is doing, but what ends up happening at the end of the day, and I spoke to the kids in camp today, and we talked about this, and I said, you know, a lot of Kids, young kids are looking to buy a house. They can't afford to buy the house. They want to stay in Pompton Lakes. There's no choice for them to stay in Pompton Lakes right now. There's no real apartments that they can rent that they can get into. So this opens that opportunity to bring those young families that we want to stay in town stay. And it also opens the opportunity for seniors who no longer want to take care of a house. Maybe they're in the south end of the flood zone and they're tired of getting flooded. They love the town and they want to stay here. So they sell their property, get what they can get for it, they move it to a rental where they can be happy, everything's taken care of, and they stay in town. That's where I come from. Besides the side effect of rebuilding our downtown, right, that is a huge tradeoff. And I can tell you right now the building across from Meridian, which we use for our offices, is now renting that space back out. He's asking for double what he was asking for. just because the building's been opened. So the square footage he's asking for has doubled just in that time. And, you know...

The building next to Tony's? Is that what you're talking about? Yes. The old... Oh, okay.

So we're coming out, the grant, if you don't know, has run out, and we're leaving that building. So he's now renting that building. He's asking for more money than he asked for when we rented it from him by a large margin. And he's been getting a lot of orders. So that's the goal of this, is to bring up the square footage on the retail so we get better establishments coming into town. Right, right.

Okay, so do we have any, did you want to?

I still don't like a lot about the building, I'm going to be honest. I still think four stories is too tall for what this town look, in my opinion, should be. I think Meridian is a complete eyesore. it's a monstrosity. And I understand the point that, you know, right now we have an area of the ice cream station. And yes, again, I grew up in this town. I remember pictures and everything of when that was actually a gas station. And it's just deteriorating since then. But I feel like something better can be done that would still maintain the look and the feel of What we want in this town, not just let's put up this big high rise, let's get some more apartments and, you know, kind of turn this into like some people on social media are saying, you know, a Morristown or a Montclair or, you know, that that's not us. That's not our town.

But on the other side of that, a lot of the new families moving in are very excited about that. They said it looks great. It makes our downtown beautiful. And it's going to bring in a lot of young people that want to live in our town, which is what we want to do. That's what keeps a town thriving, is families, young families. People who are established, they have their house. They're probably not going anywhere. They're not selling their house either, right? So that's where you are. So if you want to keep growing, that's how you have to grow. And I hear that. I mean, there's both sides to this. There's two sides to that argument. I understand. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a great development. I agree. By the way, I don't want to change the whole town into something. But if we don't do it, they're just going to go to the next. Riverdale's doing it. Wayne's doing it. Everybody's doing it. They're just going to go to the next town over. So we might as well get some profit from it, make the apartments look better, make our housing, our downtown look better, and take advantage. And by the way, we're better than most of those. I'll say that. We're better than most of those towns because we have a great downtown. Some towns do not have the downtown that it would work because they have a store here and they have a store there away. For example, beautiful city, spread out, but they have no downtown, right? So they have no place to kind of do this. They can build a huge apartment for the year, but where are they shopping? Where are they walking to? Where are they going to? So, you know, that's what people are driven to Palmton Lakes because we have that downtown. But I don't want spirolysis on the whole thing, too. And if I had my choice, I wish everything was pushed back another 10 feet off the road. That would be great. I just can't do that.

Okay, so should we kind of, do you want to say something, Matt?

No, listen, I agree with the sentiment. I am struggling. I would love to see this as a three-story development, push back more. I have both thoughts rolling around in my head. Well, maybe this isn't the project we want, and maybe this project doesn't happen, and the ice cream station does go out, and now it's just vacant, It's good. It sounds like we have engagement as a board. To me, we have way more power than we realize to control and direct where this is going and how this is going. For me, I just want to understand how this all folds in together. We've had proposals for 12 story, 14 story buildings. We have Meridian, which is a lot of units. This is over right have four stories instead of three so I just want to understand how this all holds together with sewer allocation right with parking right I want to be in a situation where it's a race for developers to get in to get the remaining development availability and this guy got four and now everybody else is locked in it too so I think that's a conversation we need to be having and I know sewer allocation is the next big hurdle.

But that's not, we don't own the shore. The town is independent. That is their concern and their problem to deal with.

We have no say on that. Correct. But if we modify our redevelopment plan for a single building, that wipes out the entire sewer allocation. I'm just talking about how we need to think strategically. If the next development comes in and they say, hey, we're going to go to five stories and we're doing a long section of a block,

say yes. I've spoken to MUA. Where they're going to basically tell a big developer that comes in is, if you want to build in this town, you're going to have to figure out how you're going to build a new sewer plant to make that happen. I can tell you the MUA has already told me they will not push this off on the residents to build a new plant for a developer. So if a new developer was to come in, and I'm not saying that's happening, but if someone was to come in, they're going to leave it up to the developer to figure out how he's going to get his sewer connections. They're not going to do an upcharge to every resident to make that happen. And they're pretty adamant about that. So if that developer comes in, he would have to maybe talk to another town, build another plant, or do whatever he has to do. But we're not in the crisis. You know, we're at 82%, I think, is in percentage right now. There's more than 150 spaces for that. But you're right. At the end of the day, that is going to be an end result. It's going to be a stop. It's 42. Right. So it will be a stop at some point, and then the developers, whoever that is, will have to figure it out. We can't make it happen.

And I think, to me, I can live with this project. But this is pushed right to the limit. And I'd be worried that if we started to go beyond this on any other projects, we're going to quickly. To me, the best project we got was the Washington building.

Same footprint, same height. Improving what we had right no pilot. You know why because there's no proof that they they were in need of struggle Yeah, yeah, there's only six units so right it can't prove that they need us. Yeah, so it's just something that My two cents out there and by the way, we'll see if that you know Right if that happens When you don't have a real developer involved in building and it's people trying to come up with money and look at the solutions, they're builders, okay? And they don't want to build their own building because it's too crazy to do, right? So that's why they're selling their project.

All right. So I think we're at the point. Does anybody else have any, you know, anyone else have anything they want to add to the discussion? All right. With that, In mind, do we want to? Is there a motion to go forward?

Anybody want to be a motion to approve the resolution proving execution? Want to go over the list of things first? Read out whatever you want to. We talked about which include would be essentially the resolution that I provided with the attached redevelopment agreement, adding the following issues. to confirm there'll be 10-foot sidewalks along Colfax and Lakeside, that the redeveloper will investigate providing on-street parking spaces on Lakeside and provide our engineer with the review, with the investigation for their review. And that will also require an updated survey of the streets to see if they can have those spaces. A note that they will require an easement from whatever public entity for the encroachment into the right of way for the roof and the overhang. modify the corner on, uh, want to queue in Colfax. So there will be a door to get into the retail on that area. Um, and specify though, I think it's in with the plans, but that no entrance to the retail except from the street.

And I don't know what this is anywhere, but this is real brick.

Or this is peel and stick brick. They said real brick. I believe they said real brick, but we don't have that written down anywhere.

They show a brick color and pattern in the plants, but I didn't see that they actually call out real brick.

We never saw a sample. They have thin brick. Thin brick. It's thin brick. Okay. So, but a real brick material? Well, it says thin brick. Yeah, thin brick is like a third of the width of brick. It is real brick. It's just not thin. But it's not the peel and stick. No, no, no, no. Thin brick is a... You can actually name it peel and stick. That's a good point. Yeah, but the brick... And again, another good point.

I've noticed in all the projects we do, initially, 10 years ago, everybody said, I'm going to use brick. Oh, we're using brick, we're using brick. And then they come back to us and say, well, we got this half brick that we're going to use. That's just as sturdy as the brick, but it's a lot cheaper. So we kind of did some research, had engineers and people look into it, and they said it is just as strong as the brick, the new technology and the brick. So a lot of people are using that brick. But there is no...

like some people want to put wood up there or like plastic side you know we could say no to that you know that you do guys do have that ability to pick color and style and all that stuff but do you want you want to put actual bricks provided that's actual brick right that's what was cited in the somebody put that thing because um okay so with those um Okay, so with those conditions added, is anyone willing to make a motion to adopt the resolution? And we are going to call that resolution PLRDA 26-01. I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution. Okay, making that motion. Anyone willing to second that motion?

I'll second it.

Okay, second it. Now do I do a roll call or all in favor? Roll call.

Okay. So Ms. Novak? Yes. Mr. Sankey?

Yes.

Mr. Lavasi?

No.

Mr. Presta?

Yes.

And Councilman Bennett?

Yes. And the second one on the of the financial agreement, and that comes with the amendment that it's going to reference that the board's professionals and consultants have reviewed the records and recommend that it would not be feasible in a normal tax situation.

Okay, so with that amendment, that would be, anyone willing to make a motion for resolution?

This is for the finance, right? Okay, yeah, the financial one. We're going to label this PLRDA 26-02.

And Matt said he would make the motion for that. Matt? Okay, anyone willing to second that?

Second.

I think Mark will second the motion. Mark? Okay. And do we need a roll call for that? Okay, and a roll call.

Okay. I'm going to split the cake. Mr. Novak? Yes. Mr. Sinke? Yes. Mr. Lavasi?

Abstain.

Abstain. And Mr. Presta?

Yes.

Yes. And Councilman Vanden?

Yes.

Okay, great.

All right, do we have any new or unfinished business?

Do you want to mention the meeting that we had about the changes we're going to make? We did have that talk.

Oh, about the... Yeah, I can. Yeah, if you would.

So, you know, we had picked people from two pieces, people from every board, two councilmen, two people from the planning board, two people from the redevelopment agency, a couple other residents to come up with just what Jason was talking about, some guidelines on how we want to move forward. with redevelopment. Kristen kind of put together a really nice group that we had a lot of discussion about and wanted input from things. Some of the examples we use are, for example, the flags. We don't want flags. We don't want flags to have advertising on them. Talk about chasing lights, colors. There's going to be color schemes. She put this into a whole presentation that the council is going to see, be presented to on Wednesday. If they vote yes, it becomes their standard now. for redevelopment. It's a guide to address concerns from the board and from when people come into town on what we're looking for, types of lights, types of setbacks. Design standards, all that stuff. So it's a real guideline for them to kind of, and that was asked by this board actually years ago to bring that forward, and it took some time to put it all together, but I assume it will pass on Wednesday, and that will be under standard now.

It makes our standards. and it's a lot better than the ordinance right now is almost incomprehensible. So she did a good job. Yes, she did a very good job. Cleaning it up and making it clear.

I think it would be nice for the potential contractor to come in and get a better feel.

And I have to point out, because we have new members, when we put redevelopment together, one mistake we made is instead of saying all these properties are in the development zone, At the time, we gave them a choice. So some businesses said, I'm in. Other businesses said, I'm out. But then redevelopment happens, and they go, wait a minute. I want to be in. So now we have to redo the whole thing. We have to send it to the engineer. They have to do an evaluation to see if they're worthy to go into the redevelopment agency. And it became a problem. So if we had done this initially, this would have all fixed those problems. And everybody would have been in. Just because you're in doesn't mean you have to redevelop. But if you're not in, that means you can't be, right? So that's where the issue is. So we do have still some people that don't want to be in, but whatever reason, it should not.

And so that's great. So I'm really excited about that.

So Wednesday, they're going to be presenting to the council. Okay. We'll vote on it Wednesday, and then that should be good.

Okay, good. And then we have Pompton Smith Properties Pond Hold Easement. Is that something we want to talk about now?

I don't think there's anything on there yet, right?

No, we've already just, you know, one of the conditions is that they have to go and get approval for an easement. from the council. Yeah. And it's, and it's also includes, as I said, the access to in order to pick up the garbage.

And by the way, that agreement that you include that we have to work out will also be what they're going to pay for parking spot. Remember to buy spots from the council. So they'll be paying a monthly service charge for those spots to the town, which is separate from the agreement itself. Um, and you know, that could be, you know, 10,000 or $8,000 a month to the town to offset some of these costs. So they're buying quite cozy spots.

Okay, and so I guess we'll open to public. There's nobody in the public, so I think we'll close. And do I have a motion to adjourn? Motion. Second. Okay. And Matt.

All in favor? Aye. No?

No, you're right. Okay.

Never. Never a no. No, you did.

All right. Thank you, everybody. Good meeting with 9-1-1.