Redevelopment Agency - Regular Meeting

action. Following is the agenda for the regular this is not the regular meeting for the reorg meeting of the PAP lakes redevelopment agency which okay do I have the right um yeah okay anyway formal work in advance notice is required by 104-1 has been provided of this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today giving the time date and location and to the extent known the time in the agenda of this meeting such notice states that formal action may or may not be taken the notice was posted on the bolton board outside of the office of municipal clerk reserved for this and other similar announcements provided to the suburban trends the newspaper designated by the burough council please substant notifications I don't know if it's the suburban trend

that was last year that last year's notice this will be a new one filed with the burough please stand for to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, I'm going to do some oaths of office. You guys can do it right. Seat there. Stand up. Raise your right hand. Just repeat after me. I state your names. I, Matthew St. President, do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States

that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. I will bear true faith and allegiance. I will faith and allegiance to the same to the same and to the governments established and to the governments established in the United States in the United States and in this state and in this state under the authority of the people under the authority of the people I will faithfully I will faithfully impartially impartially and justly and justly perform all the duties of perform all the duties of redevelopment agency redevelopment agency according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability. So help me God. So, congratulations. Thank you.

Congratulations. Thank you. Welcome aboard. I met when you're so I you know you have to send this at the end. M just give a little update who you are so anybody knows who you are, where you came from, you know. I'm Mark Prea. I've uh been in Compton Lake since 2006. I'm currently a commercial real estate broker and um I've had an interest in real estate pretty much a good majority of my life and um I want to give back to my community by serving my uh my town. Very good.

Okay. Uh I'd like to make some nomination. Can I have a nomination or roll first? Oh, roll call. Sorry. Go ahead. Okay. Roll call. So we have uh Mr. Pa. Yes. Here. Great. because he's sworn in now. Miss Novak, yes. M Mr. Ross, yes. Mr. Kimberlin here. Mr. Sinki here. M uh Mr. uh here. Councilman Bennan here. Mayor Sarah. And we have Andy Brewer here. Okay. We have a nomination for chairperson. I'll nominate uh Abby Novak for chair. Have a second. I'll second.

Okay. All in favor? I I and I'll need an appointment of vice chair. She's got the meeting. [laughter] Okay. Thank you. Congratulations. She shut you down fast. [laughter] Oh, so now Okay. Do I have to read any of the the Do I have to read the the introduction? No. Keep going. Okay. So, here we are. So, I need an appointment for um the vice chair. I'll appoint uh Matt Sinki. Oh, I nominate Matt Sinki. I'm sorry. Second. You can say second. Second. Okay, great. Did you say all in favor? All in favor? Thank you. I

I posted ask opposed. Sorry about that. No, you don't have to. Okay. I'm sorry. Who Who second the chair uh for Abby? James, did you No, I second for Abby. Okay, perfect. I'm sorry. I forgot I done this. Okay, we're good. Okay, thanks. Okay, so we need an appointment for executive director um secretary. Would that be Glenn's position? Glenn Dominic. Glenn Dominic. Okay. Glenn Dominic. And we'll talk about that in a little bit. Okay. So, do we um same same do the same thing? I'll nominate. I'll nominate Glenn Dominic.

Okay. For executive director and a second second that all in favor. Okay. Are we going to talk about it before or after? Uh, we'll talk about in his report. I'm going to talk to you guys about that. Okay. All right. Um, uh, you got to do all in favor. All All uh, all in favor? I posted and opposed. Okay. Keep on going. Okay. Uh, okay. Appointment of agency assistant secretary. Would that be Carmelina? Um, no. [laughter] May May I have a No, doubt. You don't get the vote. May I have a nomination for um I will nominate Carmelina. Thank you. [laughter]

I'll second that. Okay, great. Uh all in favor opposed. Okay, so [laughter] looks like congratulations. Appointment for agency attorney. So now you have a list of who was last year and if you um if you know disagree or want somebody that well I will nominate Eddie Brewer of Lars. Okay. Okay. Great. Okay. And anybody second that for us? Second. Second. Okay. All in favor can do that. All in favor? I opposed. No. Okay. Can we say this? Thank you very much for your trust. I appreciate it. I know. I earn it each month.

Okay. Appointment. um of agency engineer. So that would be Cers was our right callers right in the past. So anybody wants anybody want to nominate them again? Right. Collier I'll nominate Collier. Okay. Thank you Ken. Anybody want to second that? I'll second it. Okay. Thanks Matt. Okay. I'm not [laughter] and uh all in favor. Great. Oppose. Okay. That's uh going forward. Good. And then we have appointment of agency planner which was callers as well.

Okay. All right. Um anybody want to um make you know a motion for callers or nominate callers. Okay. Pen. Thank you. Anybody want to second that? James. Thank you. Um everybody in favor. Anybody opposed? Okay. And then here we come to the legal uh newspaper. Um, so we have well we're we were just talking about that. Um, we're the record the record I mean record and and the Herald and the Herald News. Anybody want Who do you want first and who do you want second or however? Uh, I just put up the record. I think it's the record. I'm not sure. Okay.

I'll nominate the Bergen record as the official newspaper. Okay. Do we have to vote on it separately or do we just lump them together for record as the official and Harold news is the alternate? That's a great motion. Perfect. Okay, anybody? And Ken's going to second that. All in favor? Wait, hold on. Who was first? Who nominated? Matt did. Matt and then second Ken. Thank you. Okay. Um, all in favor? Anyone opposed?

Okay. Now you have a sheet of the uh dates that I gave to you. Um those are the dates that are the third Thursday of every month. Um if you see any anything I don't know the only thing I would think would be November we do the league. Yes. But then we could decide that later I guess. So keep in mind this is one of the unusual boards in that if we don't have business there's nothing wrong with not having a meeting. I wouldn't say that about a planning board or a zoning board, but if there's no business for redevelopment, we don't have a meeting just to have a meeting. Okay. Um, so I don't see us having a meeting every month unless there's business going for a long time. So, unless you guys are not good with the dates, that's what you're going to

I mean, I know one date I can't make, but I I'm, you know, life could change. So, I'm just going to let it be for now and cross. Well, Matt could cover because he'll be the coach. Go Matt. It's not June 18th, right? It would be September. [laughter] I think that's the last day of school. Okay. Usually that's Okay, good. So, it looks like our um schedules can can work around that. Okay. So, um do I have a motion to approve the meeting dates? I'll make a motion. I'll second it. And and uh Mark. Okay. All in favor? I. Anyone opposing? No. Okay. Great.

Motion to and then Okay. Mot. Okay. Motion to uh adjourn the reorganization meeting. I'll make that motion. Okay, Matt. Thank you. And second. I'll second. And second it. All in favor? Anyone want to oppose? No. Okay. So, we're Hold on. You're in. You're natural. You're good to go. Hold on. [laughter] Let me Thank you. Thank you. Let me just We had a meeting. Hold on for a second. At uh 7. Uh 7:40 and we're do the roll roll call. Okay, roll call. Libby. Uh, Miss Miss Novak. Oh, okay. Thank you. Uh, yes. Here. Okay. Um, I have to change these in orders now. Uh, Matt

here. Okay. Uh, Mr. Ross here. Mr. Kimberlin here. Uh, Mr. Levasi here. Mr. Prea here. And Councilman Venon here. And Mayor Sarah and Andy Brewer here. Perfect. Okay, that's at 7:40. Okay, let's start our regular meeting. Okay, so we have um a memo for from Elizabeth um Brandis. Um now I don't have that memo. I'm having a hard time with my email. So Okay. So everything was emailed. I'm not going to um

I know you did. I know you did cuz I could see it and then I couldn't get back to it. Okay. Okay, I can send it separately, but these are all memos from that was uh that was done through council and they're just uh who was appointed uh who was a liaison which is the one. Yeah. Um the official newspaper. Okay. And then we had a um an ordinance that came out from the Wayne. That's that's one I saw and I couldn't get back to. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And those were the correspondence that we had. Okay. And the Wayne the Wayne had uh what did that have to do with then?

It's it's just a correspondence that the um that the governing body once if they get one then you guys just get a copy. It's just a copy so you can see what's uh the ordinance going on in uh different towns town ordinance from other areas. That's that's usual business. Yes. Okay. Okay. They are allowing exterior lighting being to to be changed to LED without site plan approval and added a standard permitting walk-in coolers for restaurants and food related businesses. Oh, on their land use ordinances. Thanks. Thank you. Great. All right. So, do I need to do anything with

No, that's just you're just knowing that there's correspondence and then we're going to go to um the minutes. Okay. Do I So, now you're going to have a motion to Okay, perfect. So, does did everyone have a chance to read the minutes? I know I just did it. Um and if so, does anyone want to make a motion to approve it? I'll make a motion to approve. Okay, Matt. I'll second it. Mark, can Mark second? He can't second it because he wasn't there. Right. Right. So, you're gonna Okay. Jason. Jason. Thank you, Jason. And these were September minutes.

Should we Can we do all in favor or do we have to do a roll call? It's better to do it because you can only have people people can only vote on the minutes if they were there. So, you do want to know the minutes. Okay. Okay. So, we'll do a roll call. I don't even remember who. Just look at the names on the list, too. Let's see who was absent. The only ones there were me, Abby, and Jason. Oh, well, there we go. [laughter] OH, SORRY. SO, UH, the Snowback. Yes. Uh, uh, Matt. Yes. And who was the other one? Jason. Jason. Yes. Sorry. I'm voting present.

And now present. Okay. present and then um presa would be nothing yet. Okay. Okay. All approved. Right. Great. So now we have um to approve the um does anybody want to make a motion to approve the legal services? We have it for $185. I will make a motion. Okay. I think did we just do tally them up and just say oh yeah I'll make a motion for both the for both for the engineering and the um okay thank you that was Matt and second

and anyone want to second that that could be all and [clears throat] that could be okay and then uh all in favor I anyone oppose okay great thank you [clears throat] perfect and then we don't have the executive director here so do you have a report for us yeah so let's start with the before and then we'll talk about the executive director. So, um hold on. I'll start. [laughter] Used to this. Okay, here we go.

So, projects are moving along. I did meet with uh the Meridian Group uh during convention and uh I I let them know that we were holding and we spoke to our attorney about it about they have to have a restaurant in the premise to open to get their cos on that. So, they did and commit to they will have a restaurant in place for that to open. They're shooting to open in September as their date to shoot to open. If you notice today, just today, they were bringing in sheetrock. So, they're starting the sheetrock inside, which is a good sign. Um, they're moving along. We held them up a little bit was

getting the parts for the elevator. Took them a little longer than they thought. So, that's what slowed them down. So, that that's moving along. If you haven't seen the civic center in the back yet, they redid the whole building inside and out. Looks beautiful. They put in a woman's locker room for our police officers um with uh new bathrooms, new kitchen. Uh we built it upstairs for storage. That was all done on their time as a as a payout to do what we had to do to have the building. It came out nice and looks good. Um the CGM building, if you noticed, the the scaffolding is down finally. Uh that was a long fight to get that down. They will be replacing the glass that's broken. There's some glass broken in front that has to be replaced. They're hoping they're hoping to open sometime in June or July. They don't want to beat Meridian's uh time. So, they're they're moving along pretty quickly. Um the county project, if you haven't driven by there, that is really flying up. I think that'll be the first one to open and they're shooting for early summer. Also, um remember that's a joint project with us and the county. uh we don't put the people in there, but we've gotten a lot of calls because the the deal that was worked out was Pump Lakes residents get first shot at that and and veterans get top of the list and then Pa Lakes residents. I've gotten a lot of calls from family members who have lived in town a very long time who want to stay in town and they need the income requ directing them nowhere because it's not open yet.

I've been directing to the website for the county. Right. You can do that or or but soon as they open it they're going to reach out to me.

Okay. Um, I I tell everybody as soon as I hear I will I have a list myself that I'll send to them and you know there's all kinds of income verifications that I'm not aware of that they have to do with the department. If they meet those income verifications, they could probably get in there. Um they are are for um I and I just learned this myself. They are for two people, you know, couples. It doesn't obviously doesn't have to be married couple, but it could be two people in in one apartment as long as they're related. It can't be two individuals separately, but but as you know, partner, marriage, whatever it is, and they need the verifications, they can go in there. If you've seen the setup, you know, the building is set back nicely, and they're going to do a lot of landscaping in the front of that that to make it look real nice. So, I think that's a nice project that's going to be one of our first. Um, the Susan project is just waiting on MUA approval. Uh, that's the 20 units at the gas station. They're still holding out with the MUA. They have to work some things out. Um, so they're they're working on that. Uh, I got a call just today from uh, Mr. Smith from the ice cream station project.

Oh, okay. Okay. He listened to what you guys had to say and he's taking a floor off the building completely. I think it'll be 46 or so units. All the retail will stay on the bottom floor. There'll be no parking entrance or exit onto Lakeside or to uh, Golfax. So, the only thing that's going to have to be worked out, we're going to have a meeting before it comes to you guys because that would be the next step. They want an easement through the pontel to get into their building in the back. We have to think about how we're going to do that, if we can even do that. Um, so we're going to meet with our engineers. I think Mr. Brewer will be there. Uh, some other people to just kind of flush it out a little bit before he can bring it to you. He has a set plan though

and you know a lot of the requirements that you guys had asked that you know finally it took him a couple years for them to have listened to that. They did they so they reduced the size reduced the number kept all the retail there and my biggest concern was driving into these garages from Lakeside and from Kax. So that will not be happening anymore. So that project is still out there floating around uh Washington Street. Which one?

Washington. Thank you. the Washington building uh is done and they're just waiting to get their their contractors in place. They tell everybody they will try to keep the tenants in as best they can when they're working on that. So, uh they're going to work around the tenants is what they're saying. Uh we'll see how that goes. The other project is the um which I don't think it came to this board is above uh 2. There's going to be a couple apartments put in there, right? Yeah, I heard. Did Did that come here? No, but we heard about the planning.

So, it has it's going to be six apartments upstairs above the pizza place and that whole mall, but but they had to go to the county and the county was strict with them and they said they don't want any parking in the front of the building off of Hamburg turnpike. So, they're not going to allow a lefthand turn into the property and there'll be greenery in front of the building to kind of protect it from the area. There is still a little uh bump in in the back neighbor

has been on their property for many years and they're working on an agreement with that neighbor to make it work. Once that's done, they're going to redo that whole building um and redo the front of the retail and then add the apartment six apartments on top, which again will be a very nice project for the town. It's going to make that building look good. Across the street, I get a lot of questions about the mall, the empty mall where the Chinese restaurant was. Oh, right. He's in no rush. Unfortunately, I have somebody who is willing to buy that property and do a nice project. Not not even uh apartments, uh other another retail situation, but right now the owner doesn't want to sell it, so he's just sitting on it right now. Um the pharmacy next to it is slowly getting built. That's the pharmacy.

7:35 Hamburg going for a very long time. [laughter] Hopefully you're getting closer. Um I have some interest. If you guys remember, if people have been here a while, somebody was interested in uh Broad Street. They had purchased all the property in the back there next to Tilcon and bought out a lot of the houses. We were looking at the property ourselves at Open Space to see if we could purchase it to put something there. And we and the gentleman probably doesn't want to sell it for what we're going to ask for. He's looking at putting in condos back there. Um maybe 30 to 40. There's no real restriction. I don't even know if he'll have to come to this board, but I'm just letting you guys know that that might happen. It's kind of off Montclair to the left of the Tilcon over there.

Okay. Just um is anybody keeping a tally on our MUA um you know slots how much we have open? The MUA obviously does that what they they're in no uh uh situation right now where it's it's drastic or any any memberships. If a big unit was to come in, they would have a different question with that. Um, so that's and it's a good point in that the conversations I've had with the MUA directors, if a bigger and look, you know, we're getting closer to not having a lot of room left to build bigger projects, right?

So, but if a big project somehow was able to fit in, that might be a whole different ballgame. They might have to talk with the MUA and build a whole another pump station and a whole another they'd have to work out something major there to make that work. That's going to be more difficult right now. There's probably depending how who you talk to, 150 to 200 apartments that still could go in with what they have now, but 250 apartment and obviously they're not going to go right to the end of 200. So, you know, they would have to work with that, but that would be an MUA concern. Okay. Just because we we had gone so we kind of all were surprised when that should know we had the limitations that we have. So, I just wanted to make sure that we keep that in.

Uh, Vastian, he's not doing 14tory building, but [laughter] uh, he is looking at revamping his existing storefronts and then put he has apartments up there already, probably six or eight, maybe making it 10 and kind of revamping his whole area there. Uh, you know, Vasin is one has an individual interesting thing where he owns about 150 parking spots on that side of the of the street there. So, he does have the parking availability to do some things. Um but he he's still in talks but it's not going to be the big building that we had talked about years ago. Uh and then lastly um once these buildings are built so and you guys I know will understand this but these budgets that we're having now for our town are very tight. Our health care costs alone would $700,000 this year. Okay. Just healthare. Okay. That's not counting pension or anything else. What's saving us, believe it or not, is knowing these these pilots are coming online, okay? Because we're bringing in enough money some to help us offset some of these costs. You know, when Meridian finally gets hit kicks in, we're looking at $350,000 the first year on a on a piece of property that we collected $16,000. So, that's a big hit for us. And that's yearly. You know, that's 30 years we have that. So, you know, it's been a long haul, been a long fight, but that was the end result to try to keep our taxes under check a little bit here in Pmpton. And and we're not the only town that's having issues with with the healthcare and retirement and all that. And you'll see it what we're what we're being told by the builders now is it's not uh feasible enough to build houses. It's too expensive to build the houses. And people can't afford to buy the houses right now, especially newer people coming in. They can afford to buy a nice apartment though. So that's [clears throat] why you're seeing all these apartments going up. If you've been through Wayne, they they've probably built a thousand apartments at this point and they're looking at another 500. I I I was told, you know,

so yes, there's going to reach people saying to me all the time, is it going to reach a point where there's too many apartments? I guess builders know when there's too many apartments and they don't build them anymore, right? I guess that's the answer. But I can tell you when we did Lakeside Comics, there was a waiting list to get in. And by the way, we've had no I've had no issues or no complaints about Lakeside Commons in any shape or form. The only mistake we made and I I take put myself a part of that is we didn't think about and we learned from these things. We didn't put a green space in for dogs to be walked

and that is next to the high school. So, and that is a pet friendly area. So, those people are work walking the dogs at the high school and that's something, you know, we just overlooked and going forward. I think that's something we are always going to ask for now. a place if you if you're going to be a pet friendly place to to walk your dogs. So that's what I got an update if you have questions then I'll go to I I was just like we have Meridian coming in right with 220 or 40 220. Um so we can anticipate another dog issue there. I'd imagine they're not going to allow pets. Oh they're not okay.

So because that that I asked them that too because again and I I always have to especially the public who I know doesn't follow everything. Let's remember when we did Meridian's project we were trying to get people to come to town to to develop. Nobody was interested in Papa Lakes at the time. So we bent a little backwards to get the first developer in and that was Meridian. Now if Meridian was to come in today, I think this board and the planning board might make changes on how that project went. Okay? But we want to attract what we got. So we had to make an offer on the first building. So I I always have to remind people, you know, if I had my choices, I would love that building push back. Of course, that's what we would love to have, but we didn't have that choice. Um but they're not going to have pets. I mean, there there's no dogs. I mean,

no doubt, right? No more pets, I guess. I mean, okay. Um, and then, uh, so any other questions about redevelopment? Okay. Uh, plan, redevelopment plan, planning board, folding it all together. So, remember we talked about the planner came in and we talked about we're going to put guidelines in place through planning and redevelopment, like a master plan kind of setup. Yeah. So, you guys should talk among yourselves that I'm going to pick two from each board to sit on that committee.

Okay. Uh we're going to probably start putting that together in the next month or two. Be two council, two uh planning board members, and two redevelopment agency members. Um and then we'll meet with the planner and she has some ideas of concept. And the idea behind that is not to have a plan of how we do it, but to try to keep everything uniformed as we do it. So maybe we don't want a purple building in the middle of town. So those guidelines would be put in place that say look, no purple buildings or as an example. Um, and that's something we didn't do initially, but now we've learned and the planner has suggested this is a good way to go. So, we're going to do that. So, if you want to do that now, Abby asks who's interested and we can put names. I'll I'll take those.

I'd like to be on it and my Okay. So, anybody else? Matt. All right. So, I got Matt and and you. Yeah. I'll you know, when we put that together, you'll be on that board. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um, and now let's talk about our our uh director. Um so so as you guys know the meeting we don't have a lot of redevelopment meetings only when there's redevelopment going on but that doesn't mean the director isn't supposed to be doing things behind the scenes to try to bring in development right that's why we brought him in he's on a salary so it's not just about coming to this meeting so we will have a conversation with him and Abby you might be part of that yes just to talk to him about what we're expecting out of what he does okay um so and it's not his fault that we don't have meetings that we don't see him,

right? But but at the same time, he should be communicating to to Carmelina and to to where the chair person is and myself saying, "Oh, I spoke to this developer. I spoke to this one or this one's interested in doing this or someone's doing this." So, we need to have a little better communication with that. Yes. You know, when we had Mike here, you know, whoever was young, Mike was here, that communication was all the time. You know, we just because we didn't have a meeting, we still had that communication. He was he was like, you don't, you know, he was wonderful, right? So, we would like to get back to that. So I think that's part of the C. Now when I say that though it's very hard to find someone to fill this position because there is some licensing that you need to have for this and um when we put this out initially there was a couple big firms that do it.

Um but they charge a lot of money. They they do they charge a lot of money. Um and you know they're worried about the Bayones and the Jersey Cities more than the Pompa and the smaller areas. Uh so you know that's something to keep in mind but that doesn't mean we can't put pressure on him to do what he needs to do. Okay. Can we share um with a smaller town? I mean is it like you know share share one director maybe? I mean is that well there's not many uh redevelopment boards up this way that we can share with I mean Jersey City you know.

But yeah but no but there's nobody small like us except for um Yeah. I'm okay. Now, I'm talking to a couple mayors like, you know, we're we're doing some work with in Oakland and Oakland is doing some redevelopment and and they're having, you know, I won't use Oakland, but a town in general are having issues by putting it in because you guys do such a good job of doing what you need to do and doing the research on it. And when you have council trying to do the decisions you make, but then council changes every year,

it it it just it's hard to get things done. It's hard to keep it consistently moving forward because you might had a council that all said, "Oh, this is a great idea." And then a new council comes in the following year and think this is a horrible idea, but now you just spend all this money for a year to try to make this work. So that's why we put the redevelopment agency in. We didn't want to make it political. We wanted to have consistency as we move forward through different mayors and different councils. So that's really what your job is is to keep that consistency going. and and and I think you guys have done a fair being fair about how you approach how you want to do it. Um, so the last thing I'll say is, and that's what I was talking to attorney about, unfortunately, there's no uh there's no alternates on this board, right? So when we do have something going on, big project,

unfortunately, we need to get you guys here to vote on that, right? So that's the important part. Uh, you know, for the most part, maybe we don't have meetings four months in a row, but then five, six, seven, it's a big project going on. We're going to need you here to vote. So just keep that in mind. If if when we have the meeting, it's probably because they need your vote. Yeah, sure. Thank you. So, just anecdotally watching some other towns where there are no redevelopment boards and maybe that is the reason or not a lot of redevelopment is blowing up politically.

A lot of towns are having like citizen rebellions against redevelopment because they feel like they're out of the loop. It's very complex. The financial and approvals are inherently complex. Um I guess my apprehension is we haven't done one now in a bit. People are seeing Meridian,

right? People are are not happy with the size, right? And the dollars are not here yet, right? That they're coming, but they're not here yet. Um I think somehow it would behoove us before we have are sitting with another application whether it's a pre granted we might get the same attendance we have tonight but a presentation a little explainer maybe bring in the financial people that are doing the negotiations for the council just to do like a a brief once over on redevelopment. We have a lot of we've done that like four or five years ago. Yeah. He used to do that

level. And then we I was part of the team with Andy Silverstein and Mike Fizio who went to the high schools and we would talk to the kids about redevelopment because and believe it or not the kids got it. The kids understood it more so than the parents a little bit. And those kids because our philosophy was because we're one of those towns where kids go do their thing and they come back and want to live here. They got it. They came back and they understand it. They understand what the reason for redevelopment is. We haven't done that in a long time and it's a good idea to get to the public. I want the public to be involved in knowing what we're doing. I was with the one when we did a lakeside for the public. Yeah. Yeah. So, we we did a bunch of them

and uh um you know, it it we we've had the a planner come and the planner can come to this meeting and come to our meeting and explain it. You know, it is televised and and believe it or not, people do watch this on television. So, that is another way to get it. But I also want the public to be understand redevelopment which is a very hard thing to understand. You know it's one thing you see this big building but what's the benefit of that big building you know it is changing your town a little bit but and I can tell you this look at our downtown. I have a waiting list right now of retail trying to get into our town for different sizes and that's because they see that what's going on and they say what there's people going to be walking around in this town. I should get in there ground floor. We just we just opened a brand opening on Sun on Sunday of a new Pilates and yoga studio. It's a top-of-the-line studio, something we've never had in town.

Oh, you know, uh so these are the kind of things we're trying to attract into town. And you know, I got a daycare center right now looking to come in and then I just don't have the square footage place to put me. So that's the other benefit to this. You know, our downtown is holding its own. I'm not saying it's perfect. Maybe we can get rid of some nail salons. be doing, but you know, we're going to upsquare the the square footage on the uh on the yardage and and hopefully that that's helpful development. But yes, I agree with you. We should educate. Yes, that I got.

Thank you. Anyone? So, um so where do we go from here? Let me see. New business or unfinished business? We have any public? No public. Okay. Um, do I have a motion to she open up to the public and then close it or does it? You don't have to. There's no one here. She on the record that there is nobody in the body. Okay. [laughter] Okay. With that said, do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion. Was that Ken? Yes, that was Ken. Second and thank you. All in favor? I.

Okay. And all oppose? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Hey guys, congratulations. Oh, okay.