Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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Okay. The following [clears throat] is the agenda for the reorganization meeting for 2026. This meeting is to be held mispulling 25 Lennox Avenue on Tuesday, January 20th, beginning at 7:30. Formal written advance notice as required has been provided at this meeting at least 48 hours in advance of today, giving the time, date, and location to the extent known at this time the agenda of this meeting. Such notice that formal action may or may not be taken. This notice was posted on the bulletin board outside of all the offices of the municipal park reserved for this and other similar announcements provided to the suburban trends. the newspaper designated by the burough council and receive such notices filed with the burl. Please stand for the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Do the oath of office. You guys can all stay there. Just let me borrow your paper. For the people who got paper, please stand. [clears throat] I state your names. I do solemnly swearly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States that I support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey. The Constitution of the State of New Jersey. I will bear true faith and allegiance. I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same to the same man and to the governments established to the governments established in the United States in the United States and in this state and in this state under the authority of the people

under the authority of the people I will faithfully I will faithfully and partially and partially and justly andly perform all the duties of perform all the duties of planning board member planning board member according to the best of my ability according to the best of my ability. So help me God. [clears throat] Thank you, gentlemen. This is an important board. You guys do a great job here. Thank Thank you. And I'll pass.

Be careful. The walls going to get back to Yeah, he's got walls. I got to be careful. Okay. Oh, we have a roll call, please. Yes. Mr. Sham here. Mr. Otto here. Mr. Trost here. Dr. Pendexter here. Mr. Baldi here. Mr. Keing here. Mr. BMA here. Mayor Sarah here. Councilman Sanders here. And uh Mr. Foster here. Before I make the appointment for someone makes an appointment for chairman, I just want to introduce our new council leazison, Scott Sanders. He'll be your new guy moving forward for the next year. I want you guys to know who he is. Welcome, Scott. Thank you. Okay. Hey, can I have a appointment? Can someone make an appointment of chair? A motion. I need I made a motion. I'm sorry.

Make a motion to make Mike Simone our chairman of the planning board. Second call. All in favor? I against. Okay. Thank you. Take it away. [clears throat] Okay. U for vice chairman, Mr. Otto. Mr. Otto. Second from Mr. Otto. Second. Second. All in favor? A second. Oh, got it. All in favor of Mr. Point, Mr. Auto being vice chair. I Any opposed? Congratulations. Thanks. I thank you. Appointment of board secretary.

Susan Ali second. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thank you. Appointment of board engineer. Attorney Andrew Brewer. Attorney. Attorney. Oh, sorry. Attorney first. Andrew Brewer. Tell him I promoted him. The [laughter] firm. Um, we appoint the engineer. I mean the attorney and the firm. Both, right? It should be on both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I need a second for the attorney. Second. Thank you. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Uh, board engineer is uh Collier's engineering. Collier. No. Who? Collars. Yeah, we're still using Collers. That's right. Appointment of board engineers. Collier's engineering. Motion. [clears throat] Second. All in favor? Any opposed? Board planner Collers. Motion motion second. Second. Any questions or otherwise a vote? All in favor? I.

And any against? Appointment of open space committee representative. This is something that we have a non-mandatory [clears throat] um participation and the open space committee. They like someone to be there from the planning board. Um, does anyone feel comfortable? Paul. Yeah, I did it last year. I'll be glad to do it again. Thank you so much. Okay. Uh, Paul Bulby second. Second. Any all in favor? I. Any against? All right. Legal newspaper. We still using the trends.

So, this is interesting. just started that the uh and maybe the attorney could speak a little bit about this. Uh they don't require us to post in the newspapers anymore. We can do it online. So we'll be set I think it starts March something. March 1st. March 1st. We'll be setting up our our website to do all our postings. But maybe you have more information. I don't know if you uh Yeah, that's correct. But for this year only, you also have to post twice in the newspaper directing people to your website basically. So um yeah and what about so we're using the same newspaper what about in the interim it's both right now okay so right now we can do that without we don't have to point

right at this second we're doing just newspaper starting in March it'll be both and then next year it'll be only okay so what newspaper are we using until March trends and trends okay trends and the record again for second as long as they last till next year [clears throat] all right Meeting dates and times. Everyone had a chance to look at the memo that was sent by Susan for the meeting dates and times. Any questions on that? Just hold on one second, please. We're still the third. Third Tuesday, 7:30. I'm sorry. It's always the third Tuesday at 7:30. That's fine. I don't know.

You should have gotten. It's not in the packet. Email, but third Tuesday is fine. Yeah, I could email everybody tomorrow. Okay. Well, let's at this point um we'll approve it and then if it turns out that we have an issue, we can always adjust it if needed. All right. So, the approval of the meeting dates and times will be third Tuesday of each month at 7:30 p.m. in the council chambers. Yep. Okay. Motion and second on that. Motion. Motion tro second second. Was that Brian? Brian. Okay, got it. Thank you. Okay, that's good. Uh motion to adjourn. Motion.

Second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. You can't go home yet. Meeting one is done. Susan, let us know when you're ready to hit the second one. Okay. Yeah, we're ready. You ready? I'm going to do a roll call. Okay. Hit the roll call, please. Mr. Simone here. Mr. Otto here. Mr. Tro here. Dr. Pendexter here. Mr. Bobby here. Mr. Keing here. Mr. Bootsmo here. Mayor Sarah here. Councilman Santers here. And Mr. Foster here. Thank you. Okay. Regular meeting minutes for December 16th. I need a motion and a second. Motion. Motion, Mr. Baldi. Second. Second. Who's that?

Brian, Brian. Okay. Uh, any questions or comments on this on the meeting minutes? All right. All in favor? Any opposed? [clears throat] Approval of bills. Collier's engineering. There's two bills totaling $215.84. Marziti Falcon LLP. is uh a retainer of 27750 and planning board application 254 for $666 totaling 94350. Make a motion the bills be paid as read. Okay. Second.

Second. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Thank you.

Okay. Before we get into correspondence, first of all, I want to thank you for your support of my position here on as chairman [clears throat] and I will make my annual brief speech of saying that I feel that this board has the most responsibility to improve this town in the best way possible. That we collectively are responsible for all the work we've done for the year and everyone has stepped up to the plate. Everyone has been very good on attendance. Everyone has been very good on questions and we had a couple of good applications this year. It was a lot of challenging information and I'd like to compliment the board on everything that it has done last year and the fact that we had no meetings that had to be cancelceled for um lack of attendance and I thank you all for that dedication to the board for that [clears throat] correspondence memo from Liz Brans uh for the appointments memo from Liz Brans council le's own information memo from Liz Brandness on ordinance number one20 2026 land development in the code of township of Wayne. Um everyone get a chance to look at that? It's

it's not in the packet. It was emailed but I do have it if anybody wants to pass it around to look at it. It was emailed though.

Okay. Um, no applications, no resolutions, no conceptuals. Um, under new business for now, uh, there's a memo that we received [clears throat] that drove the reason for having the special meeting. Uh, the Burough of Pump Links has entered into a settlement agreement with Pearshare Housing Center, which we participated in and sent our report to the town. We as diver was required to amend the housing plan element fair plan and ordinances. One of the mechanisms may not be feasible. So our affordable housing attorney is contacting property owners to find substitute projects. This work has to be completed before before March 15th. Given the time constraints and noticing requirements, the February 17 meeting may not provide us with enough time. Therefore, we may need a special meeting before March 11th, which is is the governing body meeting. The email is to request the planning board to schedule a special meeting in the first week of March to adopt the housing plan. This was signed by San Chioan who was a planner for colleges uh H2M I'm sorry. So the reason for doing that is because of changes we u discussed the opportunities for a meeting and 224 or 310 are the two dates that we discussed. Um the 310 meeting would be the day before Mike of your meeting. Um if we did that on the 10th um we could come we'd have to find out whether the meeting's is a available.

We don't know if the meeting room's available. I'm I'm sure it is to get it in. You could do it at any time. The other thing I would put in the memo when you send it to son is you should tell her in case you get it done by the 17th, we would like to go first with 7:00 17th that cuz you're all here anyway. Um, and then if she says, "I don't have enough time to put it all together," then go to your second date. Whatever it is, he might, you know, she might be able to do it. That makes sense. Sure. [clears throat]

And just a little background, you know, we had a meeting about the fair share. Um, you know, uh, mistakenly, we're close. We So, here's the pro the kicker for round four, which is the new round. [cough and clears throat] Signed off, everything's great. It's round three that's already passed that they still have a little issue with why they care about round three. I don't know. But this is what we're trying to fix is the round three, not the round four. Round four is signed off. If we get this deal done, she needs to find a couple little more spots for some more potential housing. Then we sign off on three and three and four would be signed off. So that's where we are. Interesting. So it was round three. It was round three. Yes.

Okay. So we have [clears throat and cough] completed by round four. What's that? If that's not superseded by four. No, I asked the same thing. No, I guess round three has to be completed and then you move into round four or

Yeah. So, we we have a signed agreement for four. We're done. Um three [clears throat] we're working out. Somehow they they had in the plan um apartments on top, you know, again, this is all philosophy, right? that maybe this could be built apartments on top of the Lidle complex complex, but I don't think anybody ever spoke to Lidle. They never offered that. And remember, we we conduct made condos of that, right? There's all different sections of that. So, you can't really count it as a one. Each condo group would have to say yes. So, we have some ideas of some other places that might work instead of just using that one. So, I think that's the change we're going to make.

What's interesting is [clears throat] you'll be around five I mean at what point does the town become so saturated that there is no longer a place to put what they want without tearing down forcefully tearing down. I mean I you know we all agreed many moons ago that we would not do eminent domain and we certainly don't want to start doing that but yep that you know for a small town that is a problem. I mean we don't have any available space and they keep saying come up with this number. Yeah and they're not small numbers. We're just picking things out of the sky. How much was the four? 100 bucks. 112. I think it was 140. I don't remember. [clears throat]

I mean, you know, that's not easy to find in a small town that's basically fully developed. And between the D putting restrictions on land, the little that's left, and the fact that, you know, not everybody wants to put something on top of what they own. I don't know where we go with five or six or whatever when the state's going to finally say enough. something I'll have to give because it's, you know, this is really in place for the bigger towns, the bigger communities, but we're dragged into this. So all these small three mile, five mile towns, which there's a lot of in New Jersey, don't have any available space. They're looking at cemeteries, you know, they're saying, "Well, you have a cemetery. Why don't you use that space?" Can't do that. Sure. I'll build a condo over graveyard.

Hey, I shouldn't laugh. The state might just come up with that. So, do we know how many more there? So, we had um 56 units this credits. We had 24 and then you get a double credit. So, it was 56 I think was the total number um above the light complex. So, it's really 24 that we're looking to put in and then we get the ground for another 24. So, we we're looking for different spaces right now. Okay. That's a big chunk though. So, they're looking for somewhere in the town more space.

I'll talk I can talk about it now if you want. There is a uh someone, you know, I don't know if you guys remember, somebody came forward with the property off of Montlair on the other side. He bought all the property in that one area there and he wanted to build condos there, 40 condos. He doesn't really need any permission to do it. If he doesn't get a pilot, I don't know if he's going to use pilot or not, but he he owns the property a lot of the houses off around there. That might be a place we get some credit from. So, we'll decide. Okay. All right. So, we have the 24th in of February and the 10th of March. Um, does some Anyone have a preference on that? We How do we want to work that out?

I just get nervous with the 10th because I don't know how much preparation she needs to do from what you do to do to us, but maybe she it's nothing. I don't I just don't know. Well, [clears throat] why don't we shoot for the 24th, which is before the zoning board. And if Mike, the talk earlier was that we might not have enough time if we do this at the uh February 17th regularly scheduled meeting. Correct. Right. Do we have anything in the works that we know about that we're going to be discussing next month? Is anything there any plans? No, it's not your time. No, it's not enough your time. Enough for her to prepare the documents to get it done. Right. But if we if we do it in it has to be done by March when before the 11th.

Yeah. But if we if we have that meeting on February 17th, which is the same night as our regular meeting, we'd be plenty of time. So what I'm saying is the discussion was that we might not have enough time at our regular meeting to do this. No, no, she might not. She might not. Yeah. She might not have all the documents ready by the Okay. I'm sorry. That's what I'm suggesting. If she does, let's go with the 17. That's the first choice, I think. So the note would be to say that we will get we will assign um let's see. They're meeting at 8. You want to do 6:30 to be safe or 7's good, you think? Okay. So, 7 o'clock 7 o'clock on the 24th of February. Well, let's let's say 6:45 available. I'm during the regular meeting. I mean, it's not a chance,

right? I'm going to I'll email her first for the regular meeting if that's enough time for her, right? If not, then we'll do the So, first first um first Yeah, people start coming in. First priority will be the 17th if possible. Good. And the second prior and our fir our notification at this point would be 7 6:45 p.m. Right. On the 24th of February, now does that that's not a court date, is it? Uh but they they're done by then. They're done by then. The court's never [clears throat] the afternoon.

Okay. So, um, is there anyone in favor of that situation where we we request the 17th if it's at all possible and if for some reason she cannot complete it in time, we push for the 24th at 6:45 p.m. That's fine, but just let you know, I would not be available on the 24th. Okay. Well, you need a quum. If we just need a quorum if it comes to that and I saw a lot of yeses here, so I'm not here the 17th. So, but I see a lot of yes. Two guys. Well, he's a different date, though. 17th 24th. He's not here on the 17th. I'm not here on the 24th. Jeez. You know, already we're starting. [laughter] Was it St. Patrick's Day? That's the next one. [laughter] God.

Hey, we had that happen one year where the planning board meeting fell on St. Patrick's Day. It does. You remember that, don't you? I remember. Well, it does. It does this year. This March 17th. It is. [laughter] Is it this year? the meeting won't be here. [laughter] You'll be here in spiritless meeting. [laughter] Same thing. You can do a Zoom meeting. Everybody be there. [laughter] That could be a rowdy meeting. Yeah. Okay.

Can I just make a suggestion for you guys on the 17th? You probably shouldn't do any business with the, you know, town people on the 17th or you might not have a court. So, keep that in mind. Well, good idea. [clears throat] You mean on March or February now? March. On March. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm I'm not kidding. Yeah. No, I'm not kidding either. I mean, I think there'll be [laughter] people out here. Yeah. All right. Well, [clears throat] we'll leave it as is and we'll see how it goes. And I guess there's going to be some rounds of um beer available at some point. Okay. So, our meeting on the 17th, we're meeting a little earlier. No, 17th is normal. 17th is normal.

Only if we get the permission from her to say, "I've got everything I need." And then the 24th will be the fall back if we can't get it ready by the 17th. And the 24th is the 6:45 p.m. So, we're going to at this point let them know in a letter. Yes. That the preference is the 17th and the second backup would be the the 24th. Okay. Everybody's okay with that? Got it. Now,

great. [clears throat] Okay. Um, no applications, no resolutions, no conceptual. Got through unfinished business and new business. Public discussion. Anyone from the public here to make any comments to the planning board? Okay, seeing none, I'm going to close the meeting uh for public discussion. And before we hit a German, is there anything that anyone has questions about um Scott for, you know, being here the first time? you have any questions or anybody else have any comments? No, we good.

Well, I can I can add, you know, we had a budget meeting uh yesterday and um uh you know, we know we have to do master plan for you guys. Okay, it's not going to be in this budget, meaning this upcoming budget, but definitely in next year's budget. We're putting money aside for it. We are going to try to push for a new master plan. We are going to see if we can afford that. Um this just so you guys understand how important our budget was this year, just our health care costs from the state went up a million dollars. of a million dollars. So just that in itself is a $200 raise in our taxes before we do anything.

So that's a crazy number. Um so you know we're not we're not by ourselves in this town's doing the same thing. So um but we are going to look and try to help with the master. Have we already decided? I don't know if we went over this before, but have we already decided if we're just uh reooking the existing master plan or doing a a whole new master plan? Mike just said a new one possibly. I think the recommendation from this board, if I'm correct, right, is to try to do a new plan if we can. Yes. Yeah, if we can. If we can afford it, that's what we want to do. Okay. Uh we had a mask plan committee last year. Tim, Jonathan, John, and Brian. Brian. Okay. You guys want to continue on that? Yeah. Yeah. Good.

Okay. So, we still have that master plan committee and we'll also need so an update on redevelopment. Redevelopment had their reorg meeting. Abby Novak is the new chairperson for that uh group because Tom Goodman has stepped down. Um I will need we're going to do um the planners putting together a um like a master plan for redevelopment and I'm picking two people from each board. Two from planning, two from redevelopment, two from the council to sit on this board. So you guys will have to name two people. You don't have to do it now, but think about it. Which two people you want to sit on that? [clears throat] When will that start? Do you know? Uh, probably I'm going to guess April around there sometime. Okay.

Money in the budget this year. So, what what we're trying to do with redevelopment is have a vision of how we move forward. And I'm not saying in size or height or any of that stuff, but it maybe in color scheme or or a setback or something like that, so everything kind of blends together. And that was a suggestion by the planner. And what is it being called? It it's it's called a U planning master plan for Rita. And that committee has not existed before. No, it would be a short-term committee to help her put the plan together. It would be input from the council, from planning, and from redevelopment.

Okay. I'm gonna put myself on that and I'll take a recommendation from the other people as who might want to be on it. Um okay. Um think about it for next month and we'll appoint a second person. Okay. Anything else anyone has? I can give you I know some people were asking about updates in the buildings that were going on in town. The uh senior housing is moving along pretty quickly. Uh they hope to be up and running in in late July or early August. Uh I've been told that the Meridian project would like to be open by September 1st. [music] Renting out.

You can see the awnings have been taken down in front of the CGM building. Um CGM building would like to open before Meridian if possible and they're moving along pretty quickly also. Um and then you have the projects you just approved the Washington building and the uh liquor store, you know, on Hamburg turnpike side there. Um they're looking ready to go too. So uh the only one that's sitting right now is uh not sitting but waiting I think on MUA approval is the seure project. I think they need a final approval from there and then they would be moving along to that's across from the legal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to mention one other thing too in in conjunction [clears throat] with that.

There was a letter received from the county that just came out and the county's comments on the project where on uh Hamburg turnpike, you know, where the Krowers in the Pizza Place is. Yeah.

Um they're withholding approval, which means that they're not giving it a tentative approval. The conditions on the approval are pretty severe. Um, we don't have our engineer tonight, but I'm sure we'll get a report from the engineer, but that's going to be a challenge for them to meet that. And as you probably already know, the developer has to work something out with the property owner that's adjacent on Pquanic Avenue because of that um dispute on the property line. So, [clears throat] he has that to work out with the property owner, but the county is looking to close the driveway onto Umber Turnpike

completely. Completely. And have the entrance exit. How would you get in? Yeah. Have the entrance exit on Pquanic Avenue. Wow. And everything. They want the grass strip across the whole front. I I mean, I'm telling you, when I read that letter, the first thing they had in my mind is, I don't know if you could meet this.

And the neighbors are not going to be happy. No, I would and I wouldn't I would ar obviously fight this one somehow [clears throat] if possible, but the county has, you know, been pretty unreasonable in a lot of its requests and their comment was if it should be approved, they want a a trench drain across the driveway. Well, that's fine, but the if it's going to be approved type thing is going to be where the discussion is going to come from. So that application is going to be looked at a lot deeper with the engineer, our engineer and their engineer and try to come back and please the county as many ways that they can without killing the project, which would be a shame. [cough] [clears throat] So and and if they do change anything that's substantial, then they got to come back to the board for revisions on the plan. So it's going to slow this one down. But so they could only require the strip along from the front of the part of the part of that whole complex that's being redeveloped, not the remaining part of it.

Correct. [laughter] I spoke to uh Justine earlier. She said they were working with uh the homeowner. So uh Justine's uh you know the attorney. That's on the driveway issue. On the driveway issue. They have their laundry list is like 15 items. Yeah. this item on the on the county letter is in my opinion harder going to be harder to resolve than the car equity issue and that's you know my argument is the same as yours I think you know we don't want to put traffic on our local roads that's a county road that's a two-lane highway I mean you know that's where we want the traffic to be on to say that

and if the exit's properly sized which it was it should not be an issue it's got worse now so that's why I'm saying I don't know how strong the county is going to be on this and hopefully you know smarter heads will prevail and we'll be able to modify maybe some make some slight modifications but [clears throat] that entrance exit would be a I don't think anybody would in the right mind would want to see the full traffic of that site out on Pquonic Avenue especially so close to Henburg turnpike anyway so just so you're aware of it you'd have to eliminate parking in that whole strip because you'd have to allow for two-way traffic in there so you'd have no parking even on an angle

so I said that to me the it could be a project killer if if they force that issue. So my uh my hope is that once we get the report from the engineer, we all should be, you know, discussing uh what's going to come our way from that and hopefully it won't be anything severe. Mike, there was some discussion at one point about the Chinese restaurant. Uh that's about putting on top of that. Is there any Nothing on top of that. He he he um I know somebody who's very interested in purchasing that property to put some good retail there. Nothing but retail. And right now the gentleman who owns the property doesn't want to sell it and he doesn't have any plans on building it back to what it was. So we don't know what he wants to do with it.

Got four You got four things in there. You got the nail salon, the Chinese force. Four things. Okay. There were I mean there were Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's in no rush to put it back. the same guy who owns the project next door. Um, uh, he, you know, he's in a rush to do anything. The gentleman I spoke to has some money and was willing to make a good deal with him. Um, and right now he he's not interested. So, the building next to that, they rep they finally paved, but that seems to be just stagnating, too. Well, they paved it. Uh, they did all the county because the county had a long list there also. Um, and they did everything the county required. We, you know, did the hill in the back, which is done, right? That's all done. And now they got to work on the building. Okay.

The other thing I'll mention, um, I did get a call from the gentleman who owns solar in the back of, uh, Cardinal there, the Cardinal Cafe in that side back. [clears throat] He is selling that building. So, um, I don't know what'll happen with it. Um, but it's a pretty big building. There ever been any interest in building that gap there between uh, you know, where Fleer's office is and the card that empty big empty space there? Ever been paper store my own death? Yeah. And there's never been any interest in putting anything there. Well, there was when it first uh happened and it was back in the early 80s. No, it wasn't quite that old. 30 30 years maybe. Early '9s. We had we actually had an approved project

and uh they couldn't get Chmire wouldn't let them have access to the rear. It was a nice office building if you remember. Yeah. So they own just in general they own a lot of uh the old Exxon gas stations and you know we have two of them in town right now that he owns that um and it's a family. It's not just him uh that they just sit on. They're not really doing anything with those properties. It's a shame I see that you know all the time that big empty space. It would be nice to put something there. Is Baskin interested in doing anything to help? Had a meeting with Baskin. So first of all we did have a new grand opening if anybody's interested in Pilates and yoga. But it's a beautiful building. They really did a nice job inside. It's beautiful. It's It's a nice improvement to the downtown. It's right where the old jewelry store used to be there. Uh you know, in the mall. Oh, in the mall. In the mall. The window side.

Yeah. Um Baskin is in talks uh with somebody to um do some work to his existing properties as they are and add a couple apartments, but re revamp the whole thing. So, that's where he is. And that would be a good place to pick up more units, too.

Yeah. You know, I I could like I I think I told you guys last time, you know, we right now, I know it seems weird, but we we don't have a lot of retail available. I have people knocking on my door looking for space for I have one guy who has a name brand uh child care center he would like to put in town. We don't have the space for it, you know. So, there uh if you notice on the corner, oh, Smith's property is coming back. Um they reduced the size of it. Listen to what you guys had to say. Um so, that might be a project that moves forward. doesn't involve parking decks because they might be using our parking. Um, uh, keeping all the retail. Uh, so if you notice that the corner store, the hair salon has bought the store or taking over the store behind it. So, they're moving into that a little bit. So, you know, the retail is moving forward. That's part of what we're trying to do is help the downtown, you know,

the consignment shop is now available as well. That's the one they're taking. Oh, that's consignment styles is going to take that. Okay. Gotcha. Add to theirs. You know, we had I thought there was something between a new uh there's a new Italian Greek place that just opened. Um you know, there's a couple where the magic store was, right? Yep. Wow. Edible arrangements coming in. Edible arrangements. Looks like it might get filled. It might be maybe next to the hardware store. Yeah. What would happen with that, John? Possibly the new golden garden. Yeah. Oh, possibly. Possibly. Okay. Moving from where they burned out down here. That'd be nice. Yeah. There you go. Can we get a bies? [laughter] where I'll put it on the list.

I've got to try. [laughter] They just declared bankruptcy. Well, the interesting one is that we all know the bakery open that's not in but it's in in but you know car accident the other day going [laughter] it's because making a left out of there or a left in there. The left is illegal in but they do not have a sign that says you can't make a left out yet. Maybe they're supposed to put one. You can make a left onto the street though. That's not prohibitive. I can't believe that. Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. They were too busy putting do not turn right off of those highways. They had two places.

It's already like all the seniors will go over there. Okay. Anything else, Mike? Dupont. Uh yes. Uh well, yes and no. Um the Dupont, as you guys know, we had 72 initial acres that were plantable and usable. Um then the flood maps changed and that went from 72 to 12.

Um and there's nothing we could do about it. The state mandated that flood zone and that's what happened. Uh, so out of the 12 acres, uh, there's a stalemate right now on the cleaning of how to clean it again as usual because the D, believe it or not, and this is I'm just hearing a secondhand. I don't know this for a fact, has changed them or wants to change the numbers that they had promised to clean to. So, they cleaned to one level and then now we're saying an approved plan they're supposed to be able to keep to those, but it's approved plan with the E with the uh EPA, DP, D, and the EPA. So, one might say yes, the other might say no. It's it's a mess right now. Right hand does not change.

And the people that were our contacts who were here in the meeting room once a week, they're they've been moved up the chain, so they're no longer involved with our project and they're not here anymore to talk to the residents. Um, so, you know, I've been pushing, but we all know how long this is going on. A lot going on. Frustrating. 12 acres isn't the lot. All right. Anyone else have any other questions or for the mayor or comments or whatever? Mike, you're good. I'm good. Susan, welcome back. Thank you. Thank you. And uh we will uh look for a motion to return. Motion second. Tim and Brian. All in favor? I opposed. You're going to reach out to her.

I will. I'm going to hold on that email that she sent. the place for you tonight.