City Council - Regular Meeting

What's that? Don't answer my text. That's bully. [laughter] Kenny. No. Kenny. Kenny. No. [laughter]

Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Everything's been going really good. Cool. It's crazy. Like like Like it's crazy thinking that we've already

rolling down. It happens, man.

Get your contact. Good.

What do you think about the Chiefs? Dude, don't even give me starts. Kansas. Hey, I am excited about that. They're moving on Kansas side. They are practice field practice fields. An old lady up. Yeah. The good thing is they don't have to change their name. Yep. Yeah. Yep. They're going to do what they want to change their name. Yeah. You know, to be honest with you, I didn't think that I didn't think it ever happened.

Apparently, Missouri didn't have a crap. Well, that's that's the governor and I read a deal quite a while back and the union officiating with the state of Kansas

where were there. They were negotiating with the state, the city, and the county. If nobody was talking to someone to get the thing started. Legends where we were

right there. Oh, move it. Okay. Thanks, guys. No, we got this frozen tender from Bact. cheese and York. Oh, it is so good.

Just a little tender. And that's what I got threehour drive ahead. That'll work. whole frozen like oh my gosh this is cool but we threw it in the oven so good

it's just fun everywhere lesson. [clears throat]

You got it. $10. I don't know. Yeah. And then we do retire cost more money. They come down in here. Oh yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy.

[laughter] Good. Thank you. trouble for a while.

Thanks for that silver. Yeah. Ain't much of that though. We have to go back out of town and do any more training? No, not for a while. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it does. DC is nice, but it can stay there.

I don't know. freaking looked at me. I was like, Thanks for the help. As soon as I don't know.

All right. I will go ahead and call to order tonight's council meeting for Monday, December 22nd, 10:25. We'll start with the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I've asked Pastor Linda to say a prayer. Our heavenly father, we are two days from the birth of your son Jesus Christ, our Lord and our savior. Please be with everyone here this evening. Bless all of the new members. Give them the strength and the courage to face the ups and downs of taking care of the city of Pleasanton. Be with them. Give everybody a blessed Christmas. It sounds like you're going to give us a beautiful day. We ask all this in the name of your son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and our Savior. Amen. Amen. Everybody have a blessed Christmas. You as well.

Okay. Uh for public comment tonight, we have Jake Maddingley. If you could come state your name and address and you have five minutes, sir.

Manag 604 West 14th Street. Don't worry, I'm not here to finger point blame something like that. Not mad. I end up having to call KDH Thursdays. Kind of wanted to explain to you guys kind of why I had to do I felt I needed to do it. Uh little back history. I've got a sewer main behind my house. It's been plugging up for years. It's nothing to do with anybody that's here. It's been happening for Well, I'll tell you what. Joel Whitaker ran a camera down it and found a bunch of tree roots in it. And Joel Whitaker hasn't worked for the city for seven or eight years. So that's been that long and it when it plugs up it comes up through my overflow and into my yard and it do does this two or three times a year. It's an inconvenient but in the past it's never been that bad a deal. I've usually been able to call somebody within an hour somebody's out there with a sewer jetter and it's never really went past 3 hours of inconvenience and I can I can shoulder that much inconvenience two or three times a year. It's not that me it's a paints I can't use any water or anything but hey I know the where that sewer man is. You've got a utility pole right there from Every. You've got water mane, you've got fiber optics. It's going to be expensive if you guys ever had to fix it. So, I've never minded that. The problem is is here the last few times has turned into a little bit more than just a few hours. Uh here, this is this is my yard from June 1st. And uh again, I want to very muchify all that sewer in my yard. Nobody's fault. My wife and I was going for the weekend. There's nobody here to see it overflow. But there's kind of a reason I'm kind of using this as an example here. Uh so that's what happens. 40 hours at the most. My wife and I left about Friday evening, got back Sunday morning. So that's about 40 hours at the most. That day [sighs and gasps] did like I always do when something happens up there cuz usually just like about a 4T 5 4T area around the cleanout. Sprinkle a little line, no problem. That day it became more difficult. Uh seen it. I ended up calling four city city employees. This is a Sunday, of course, but four city employees. No answer. Ended up having to call two elected officials. So, I'm

trying not to mention any names here. I don't want to throw anybody on the bus. Uh tried to call two elected officials. One of them called the third elected official. So, ended up with two people, two elected officials out there. Thought, okay, that's it. They end up having to explain to them, you know, here's why it's the city, not me. So, that took about another hour or so. So, Thomas is all said and done. They got the sewer jetter out there, the public works guys out there. They didn't know how to run this the sewer dice. I had to learn it's like six hours of this and at between that when I'm playing phone it took me almost two hours just to get somebody to contact somebody. At that point my se my sewer's overflowing. I've got four to six inches in some spots in my yard. I've got sewer sewage underneath my house. It's rolling into the ditch in between myself and Sandy Carpenter. So I just throw a pump in the manhole just upstream from me because all I'm doing my mind is cutting out the middle man instead of my sewer my yard into the ditch. It's just going straight into the ditch at that point. So that's six hours. At the end of that, I did ask the city if they would have some public works guys come out, maybe sprinkle some lime in my yard, under my house or something. I was told no, that's that's not going to happen. So we went from at that point went from a couple hours of inconvenience to now I've got six hours of inconvenience, which I hoped was going to get better. You know, it's a oneoff on that one. I thought now I've got that. I've got a couple hundred worth of supplies I had to dig up. I got a big old spot of sand in my yard where I used to have a pool. I had to shovel out couple of tons of that cuz it got invested with uh with sewage. Replace that. My daughter loves to play it and every kids loves to play in it. So now I've got that and I probably got six, seven, eight hours worth of labor involved. One off. Not a big deal. Didn't feel fit about that or nothing. Just went on. Fast forward to this last Wednesday. Sewer comes out again. So at this point, I call an elected official. Uh was told I don't think I can see anybody out right now. I'm not going to call them back in and send them out. explain my situation. Got sewage coming out. Can't run any water. Can't send anybody out. Explain like I'm going to have to fill that pump in that in that manhole again. Didn't uh uh this was this was how much

was overflowing June 1st. This was Wednesday. So very comfortable. So if it's going to hold overnight, I'm probably going to have the same situation in my yard again if it lasts all the way through the night. So that's why had to throw a pump in there. And at this point, 15 hours minimum, that that's going to be a problem cuz 5:00 in the morning to 8:00 or 5:00 in the evening, 8:00 in the morning before city hall even opens. 15 hours at the most. Ended up being about 20 hours. Sewer D got out there about 11:00. I think I got the clog out about 1:00. So, but as I'm running this pump through the evening cuz I can't let it get too low, burn the pump up, can't let it get too high, come from my overflow. It's like, man, how many times am I going to have to do this? I mean, at some point there's gonna be somebody turning me in because I'm just pumping raw sewage into this ditch and I'm not. So, that's why I felt the need to call call KDH. If I had to come up here, if I was to go to your guys' house and drop 50 gallons of sewage in your yard, you can call Tristan or somebody that dressed like Tristan to come talk to me, find me, and arrest me. Probably I don't have that option. KDHG is my only option to have this taken care of because at this point now, it's becoming substantially worse every time. So, that was the reason that I called KDH. I wasn't trying to be vindictive or anything. If I was trying to be vindictive, that happened in June. I'm just trying to take care of myself and my I'm sorry, my time's up, sir. Just I was just trying to take care of myself, my family. That's all I was trying to do. I just wanted to come up here to kind of explain to you guys what happened from my side of it. So, that's all. Appreciate you guys for time there. Oh, and uh congratulations guys. It's an honor and privilege to be up there. So, honestly, congratulations. So,

thank you. [clears throat] [clears throat] Um, next public speaker is Aaron Portman. So, Portman, Tuesday, right East 14th Street. Uh, Mr. Mayor, given the complexity and public importance of what I'm about to present, I respectfully request 10 minutes to complete my statement. Mr. Mayor, I make a motion that we allow Baron Portland 10 minutes twice the normal five. It's outlined. Oh, sorry.

It's been moved and seconded to allow 10 minutes as opposed to the normal five for public speaking for Mr. Aaron Portman. Thank you. All in favor? You have 10 minutes, sir.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I don't expect a response tonight because through this entire process, your office has acted like answering to the public is optional. Records vanish, questions don't get answered, and when accountability gets uncomfortable, silence fills the space. That's why I'm standing here. During my time on this council, I learned how government in Pleasanton is supposed to work. Decisions made in open, on the record, and according to the law. I also learned how fast those rules get bent when someone in power doesn't like being challenged. Now that I'm no longer a council member, I don't have to choose my words carefully to keep the peace. This all started with ordinance 2065, an ordinance this council asked the city attorney to draft. It wasn't extreme. It wasn't reckless. It was meant to clarify authority, create lawful oversight, and protect the integrity of the fire department. What happened next was not a good faith disagreement over the law. It was confusion, moving goalposts, and clear resistance to transparency. Before the ordinance was even voted on, before any veto existed, every member of this council received a phone call from the city attorney. In those calls, we were told what would happen if the mayor vetoed the ordinance. But let that sink in. At that point, the ordinance had not been voted on. There was no veto and the mayor hadn't publicly said he planned to veto anything. And yet council members were being individually briefed on the consequences of a veto that hadn't happened. That's not normal. That's not neutral. And it raises a very good question. How did veto strategy become the focus before the ordinance was even passed? Those calls weren't in a meeting. They weren't on the record. And they didn't happen with the council together. Then the veto came. We were told it couldn't be overwritten. We were told there was nothing the council could do. We were

told the law was settled. But when I asked for a statute, not opinions, not interpretations, but the actual law, that certainly felt or that certainty fell apart. Suddenly, a majority vote was enough. The veto could be overridden. The law didn't change. The story didn't change. I'm sorry. The story did change. What matters is because it shows how confidently authority was being asserted right up until someone asked to see the receipts. Then I filed a Kansas Open Records Act request. On November 7th at 7:10 a.m., I submitted a lawful request. Less than 2 hours later, at 9:03 a.m., I got a phone call from the city attorney. No voicemail, no email, no written response, just a private call right after a records request. something that by law is supposed to be handled openly and in writing. At 9:36 a.m., the city administrator responded, and I want to say this clearly and publicly. She did her job. She followed the law. She provided what she had. What followed from leadership did not inspire the same confidence. I was told the mayor had switched phones and couldn't produce records for the time period I requested. No text, no call logs, no documentation. during one of the most consequential stretches of decision-making the si city has seen in years. I just want to point out that the mayor is personally responsible for maintaining his public records. Changing phones does not make that responsibility disappear. Then on November 24th, weeks after the request was filed, the city attorney said she needed 30 days to check with the phone carrier to see if the mayor's records might exist. Today is December 22nd and marks 28 days since that email. There's been no update, no explanation, no follow-up. So, I'm left asking, why did it take 3 weeks and repeated prompting from me just to start the process? And why is a records request that potentially involves the city

attorney herself being handled internally at all? Any system that values credibility knows this. When a records request involves the reviewing authority, it should be handled independently. That didn't happen here. There was one more thing that I noticed. For more than 15 years, the city attorney has sat in the same neutral seat at council meetings. Then suddenly, after I left this body, that changed. The attorney moved directly beside the mayor. No announcement, no explanation, no discussion. In a small town, power doesn't rearrange itself by accident. Each of these things alone might be brushed off. Together, they paint a picture the public has every right to question. A veto that was first misrepresented. A legal position that changed only when challenged. A records request followed almost immediately by a priv private call. A mayor who says he can't produce records because he switched phones. A review process handled by someone whose neutrality is reasonably in question. And a 30-day clock nearly run out without answers. This isn't personal. This isn't or it's procedural. It's about whether the rules apply to everyone or only when they're convenient. To the new members of this council, I hope you didn't step into these seats to be agreeable. I hope you stepped in ready to question, to challenge, and to speak up when someone doesn't sit right, even when it cost you comfort or approval. So, I'll end with this. I'm not standing here for myself. I'm standing here for the people of Pleasanton, the residents who expect their government to follow the law even when it's inconvenient. They don't get private phone calls. They don't get missing records. They don't get shifting explanations when the truth is hard. They deserve transparency. They deserve accountability. And they deserve someone willing to stand up and say, "This isn't right." Even when it would be easier to stay quiet. If speaking up makes people uncomfortable, so be it. Silence has never served the public, and I won't offer it now. And with that being said,

I will be filing a Kansas Attorney General complaint uh referencing all this information. Thank you. Thank you.

[snorts] [clears throat]

If I could get a motion for executive session for attorney crime privilege to discuss potential litigation in the city for five minutes. I make a motion for a fivem minute executive session for attorney client privilege based on potential litigation.

It's been moved and seconded for 5 minutes to return at 6:20. All those in favor? We'll be right back.

Oh, I tell you what. Yeah,

you want a copy? Yes, please. Thank you. Appreciate it. I was trying to ride as fast as I could. Uh, the first sentence was just my request in 10 minutes, but Okay. I'm only 81 for Becky. Yeah, but I'm going home. I have a family to get to now. I don't have to be here. I'll see you later. Yeah. Have a good evening.

No wor. You want to They think I did. [laughter] I was going to say [sighs] I seen your dad come around the water treatment today. He was always a little buggy. Little heck for last. Well, he weighs a whole 140 pounds. Your dad soaking wet. Yeah. like 20° on the best it is. It kept that little thing going. Yeah. Like dang that windshield.

He comes from the school. I mean, you come up, you know, come around that corner here. What the hell is he doing here? You know, and Dorothy Skipper brought a glove in. She's like, "Yeah, he lost this out there and he lost his leash out there." I think we were talking, we were laughing at the office. It's kind of like dropping popcorn where where it's a handle and gravel thing.

So Jake, where did you pump? I kind of like got lost in that. So I was trying to talk baskets at five minutes and it's hard to be I know it is. I practiced that all day just to get it in in five minutes. Yeah, it was good. But I kind of got lost that right there. Yeah. Well, there's a there's a ditch between myself and Sam Carpenter goes right down there by the school and I either that or either that or it goes into my yard, right? Kind of a Yeah. So eventually that ditch though. Yes. Yes. And Thursday they ended up after KD they had to come out vacuum the vacuum that ditch out. They city

city vacuumed it out. I rinse it out, vacuum it out again, throw some wine in it. So, you're I didn't want to honestly want to be dead, but it's just I can't we can't we can't show we can't use the toilet. We can't use any water. It's back. It's not hard in the backyard. from the presidency and the three houses that are upstream from us because it crack pressures you know our you know our basically comes down main takes a hard lift in our our sewer line that comes up so so it's not hard and I've had usually 4t by 4t area catch it soon enough

and it's not that bad to go out there every now and again I got to pick up corn trout or maybe you know something like that but put back I don't mind I I didn't a small engine, you know, Jesse um Spears dealt with that main right next to his house, too. blown out of there. Yeah. You know, for years, one of her favorite things was, you know, there was no plug come up. And Bill, you know, I do it for And uh

you come up there about that much house on the top of the man between Stu Baker's house and I drive middle street helped up. He said look ain't up. He said it's on you.

So we get a contract. $1,700 later, all new line from the basement out front. I drive out to the alley and that main way down 12 ft down and they get down. They go to tie in and they start swapping. He was under pressure and he said, "You go get that city guy." And he said, "Huh?" And he goes, "I'm telling you, there's nothing. You get overs."

Okay. Executive session resuming normal meeting. Action taken.

$1,500. Um before we move away from the mayor's comments on that um I will address that the Kora request was um answered and responded to with there was nothing uh to meet the requirements that was asked um of myself. Uh to verify that the only person regarding the fire department and things that I communicated with, I had sent me snapshots of all the messages that we had during that time to just verify and make sure none of it met the criteria regarding that which was requested. So just in knowledge of that, moving on. If I can get a motion to approve the consent agenda.

I make a motion to approve. Can you turn your mic on just so we can make sure we hear you? I make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Is there a second? I'll second. It's been moved and seconded to approve the consent agenda. Any discussion?

All in favor? Passes unanimous. Pass this around the side. Um, city administrator departmental reports. Becky.

Um it was just brought to my attention that the um sheriff's office announced that they had found the missing juvenile deceased and it was asked for a moment of silence.

Okay. Uh if we could take just a moment of silence for a juvenile that was missing and was found deceased. Thank you.

Um, I don't have anything unless someone has a question. Any questions on anything? Not. Uh, Chief Snder,

uh, you don't have an activity report for me this month because I was busy assisting the sheriff's office. Um, but we had 125 calls for the year so far. I believe we're at four arrests, two of those being felonies. Um the only other thing I have is that December 26th through January 2nd is uh another step program for uh enforcing DUIs and that'll happen through those dates. That's all I got unless you have any questions. Thank you Taylor.

Hello How are we tonight? Oh, I'm doing good. Thank you. So, I got a couple different things for you guys. You're welcome. Sorry, too. Yep. Here you go.

You're welcome. Here you go. Okay. Okay, so I've got two different things for you guys tonight. Um the first thing was is I wanted to make sure that council had this before their um upcoming work se session. So what I have here is a is for the city of Pleasanton road maintenance and rebuilding plan. And this is just kind of to show you guys what all we're thinking so far. And the purpose of this plan is to provide a structured approach of maintaining and rebuilding the city of Pleasanton's road infrastructure. We talk about our goals on here to preserve and extend the service life of ex existing city streets to improve the roadside drainage and ditch systems to stop erosion and prolong pavement life. We talk about our current um challenges [clears throat] because of low maintenance on our chip and sailed roads. It's caused our roads to teriate a lot quicker. We don't have all the equipment that we need. And so listed in here, I've got all the equipment that we need. and um the purpose of each equipment. And what would be great about this is getting all the equipment listed on here would make it to where eventually we would be able to do all of our roads on our own without having to get outside help is the goal I would like to get to. We also talk about um maintenance strategies. having um routine maintenance year round to provide a plan of maintenance that gets done in each season. Making sure the roads um your

gravel roads they um get graded and your ditch work gets done and stuff like that. making sure um when we have situations happen with um weather whether there's debris in the roads or anything like that, making sure that we're able to get um routes safely going for the public if we have to reinstall any new tubes or anything. So, that's kind of what we're thinking here with all of this. Um the great thing about is if we were able to get all this equipment, I think it would make everything a lot easier. And I understand we probably won't be able to get all at once, but I'm hoping that we can get as much as we can.

I have a question. Yes, ma'am. Um, on the tractor, did you not have a tractor? So, we have a tractor. I'm not sure exactly what size it is, but I know it is a lot smaller than an 8090. Um, and the whole purpose of wanting to get a bigger tractor is to be able to pull the um the sheep's foot and the oil distributor and we have some equipment back there. Could we not buy just a bucket? So, we have um the excavator,

which would be good. And we just got our road grader, which I'm going to start working on soon. Um getting our lines and everything fixed. So, we're going to be able to do the ditch work with it. And I know that we've talked about possibly getting like maybe a 2-in um bucket with teeth or maybe even a three or threeft bucket with a smooth edge to do the ditch work. So, we could go about it that way of getting um attachments like that. But so far back there we have our skid steer, our road grader, and um the excavator. If you were to get all this equipment, how many people do you anticipate us having to hire on a permanent basis in order to operate at this and do it in house? Um, I would say at least four, maybe three, like all the like, so I would say two more. So I have a part-time help now, plus myself and two more. And it would be great to just have a team that eventually like once we figure out all the kinks to be able to have a road crew go out and be able to take care of the town without trying to get outside help. And of course, right now everything is expensive and it has to be budgeted. So getting the outside help right now is great, but eventually the goal I would like to see is us being able to do this on our own.

I think being able to do it on our own in the future is a is a good thing. Yeah. the list of equipment that you have there, the spreader, the water truck, the oil truck, oil tank, what have you, along with the bodies required to operate it. This is going to be significantly more on an annual basis than what contracting with a company to do it would be. If you take the average city employee, their base wage, it costs the city roughly twice that wage for you to exist.

Yeah. So, if you take a $15 an hour person um times 2,000 hours plus benefits, that adds up to an awful lot in a hurry. You are the only one that I see that is proactive and doing a good job at trying to figure out how to do your job. And for that, I thank you and I'm very proud of you and the effort that you put in.

I appreciate that very much. And and it's one of those things like in all departments in a whole everybody is really trying and there has been so much going on because I'll be honest with you on a day-to-day basis we have stuff that comes up that you may not even think of and we may have a certain plan of getting stuff done and something pops up and it's an all hands on deck deal.

Are you the only one that works on the roads? Um, so I'm over the road department itself, but I have a helper, um, Heather. She's my part-time employee that helps me on the roads and I have her four days a week. Um, the other thing that I wanted to discuss with you guys tonight for you new council members, um, this is a breakdown sheet to show, um, to show us working with the county. um for one running mile it's $26,500 and it would take two passes um for going down some of our roads here in town. Some of them may only take one pass but um in that 26,500 the wages of the the wages of the county employees is what would be covered in that um the oil, the chips and the fuel and then what would be on us. um is all the prep work that needs done, the ditch work, tubes needing replaced in each se section, and we must have all the potholes filled. And I would also like to be allotted a 2-year time frame for our first section of road that we do start on. That way, we can get all the kinks figured out and get all the ditch work done and um replace any tubes that um may need to be replaced. It may not take two years, but I would like the time aotted just to see how we do in our first section. Okay. Any any other questions on anything? So,

fixing the potholes, that's mandatory for them to chip through. Um, like if some of the in some of the roads like if they're not that bad, we can patch them then they can just go over them. But in some of the stretches of road that are really bad, we're going to have to tear it up and redo it.

Cuz several roads have to be reset. Can you say that again? I'm sorry. Several of our roads have to be reset so that that chip and seal will actually be on a firm base. And then we have some roads that just needs a little patching and then that chip and seal is pretty much good for them. Yeah. And some of the roads like in the first section that I'm wanting to do is um the east side of town is what I would like to cover. And some of those roads aren't terrible in some spots to where we could just do the chip and seal over them. In other [clears throat] spots, we're going to have to tear them up, redo the base, um, pack them, and get them ready. Do you have to locate all the manhole covers?

Um, yes. That will be one thing that all the manhole covers will be located. All the ditch work will have to be done. Um, and making sure definitely all those tubes get replaced because we're not going to want to do all that work and put a new road in and then six months later we have to tear that tube out. Yeah. But also with that two-year time frame, I'm honestly I'm glad you asked that because that's another thing. Just making sure everything is properly located and everything. Are they documented? They should be. Yes, I believe so. Uh and also I mean just another thing uh on what you guys could get done is like checking the manholes.

Yeah. I mean like before we do like pass that road like checking any holes. Uh also checking like the sewer man. Yeah. Just make sure it is good there in that section of road. But

of course that can we can definitely do that and it's one of those things especially like we'll be looking everything over thoroughly just to make sure everything's good in each section before we do anything. I appreciate all your efforts, but I want to go on record saying two years to start doing something. It's ludicrous. It should not even be in our discussion. We've pissed away a year so far already and done absolutely nothing. It's time to get on the ball and get something going. And and with that being said, I understand that. It's just one of those things. Um you're not saying start in two years. You're saying

finish that area within two years?

Well, it's one of those things like if we start the prep work right now or right before spring, it may not take 2 years to do that section, but I want the time allowed to make sure that we have everything the way that it's supposed to be so it doesn't get half done. You know what I'm trying to say? Like I want to make sure everything gets done correctly. And even the county when I've been talking to them, they were the ones who suggested as well that give yourself plenty of time to get all your prep work done because there's a lot that goes into it. This isn't one of those things of, hey, we're just going to go put in a road and that's going to be that. There's a lot more that goes into this and I only have so many people, so I have to have the time to do it if we want it done.

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and I I don't mean that to sound rude. I I know you there there are no there aren't enough noses to go around and there are not enough hours, but I wouldn't take the county as a prime example of what how to maintain your roads and exactly the greatest conditions based on what I see driving around the county. I would strongly recommend research based on the data that's available through department of transportation on the proper procedures for chip and seal the proper procedures for road maintenance and bridge construction. There are two manuals that are currently available and currently current that are available online. There is no reason that you can't do what you outlined when you first came to us and said you we could fix the streets in 5 years and

you can do it and we can do it all the right way. All we have to do is do something. Yes. And I and I agree with that as well. And I truly do believe that we can do it in a fiveyear time frame. But as more research has gone on, I believe that I'm going to need the time to get all my prep work done in order to make that happen because I want to see I want to see this community flourish, but it's going to take time and we only have so many people and I just want everybody to understand that we are trying our hardest and that is our goal and we're going to achieve it. It's just going to take time.

Yep. I don't mean to pick on you. No, no, you're fine. It's No, you're fine. It's a very It's a very emotional subject with me because I campaigned against the sales tax that we're going to use to fix that. We now have the money to do the job. Mhm. If we do the job, but we if we set and plan and plan, nothing ever gets done. No. And I and I understand that as well. And that's the thing. As soon as I can start on the prep work and getting the road graater going and everything,

a lot of the prep work is mapping out where the metal is underground.

Yeah. Um, prep, ditching, resurfacing is really a onestep coordinated effort. You can't do ditches, then come through and fix the the roads, ruin the ditches in the process of rebuilding the roads, redo the ditches. You have we have to sit down and give a sequence plan. is going to require a supervisor on a city's part to say these are the things that have to be done today. These are the people that need to be doing it and here's where you're going to go. And instead of standing around talking about it, we need to be out doing it.

Yes. And I agree with that. So, um, for the council's knowledge, as we're preparing for the work session that's coming up, um, January 5th, what is you would you say is something that you is absolutely a must to get started on this? Um, just getting everybody on the same page. Um,

I mean, equipment wise or something like that. Yeah, just getting everybody on the same page, getting the proper equipment that we need because the road grader was a start and as soon as we're able to use it, it will help tremendously. But by the fifth, I would really like you guys to like read this, go over this, research some stuff, tell me how you truly feel on the fifth because I really think we can accomplish this, but I just need everybody on the same page.

So, equipment wise, what would that be that you need? Um, I need a water tank for sure. Um, I need a sheep's foot roller for sure. Um, if we do decide to get this zipper, I'm going to have to have a front end loader. We're going to we're going to have to purchase one of those. Um, a steel smooth roller for sure. If you have the appropriate sized vibratory smooth drum roller. Mhm.

What's the purpose of the sheep's foot that the smooth drum won't do? Um I believe the sheep's foot is what compacts it in really good. It punches more holes into it and packs it in. And then the other roller I believe um goes on top after and smooths it in. actually a sheep switch used for joining layers together when you do lifts. The smooth drum roller is what's actually required by the chip and seal manual. Okay? That's why I would really like you to read that manual instead of relying on information that may not be as accurate as it could be.

Okay. So, Taylor, my um request to you is that since you gave all these um things that you want to I would like for you to go back and get look and get prices, okay? And then bring it back on the 5th to us. Okay? And that way we'll have some idea, you know, what we're looking at, what's you know, the prices and everything. I understand, and I'm not disagreeing with you 100 at all, that you don't need these. You do need these to get our streets done, but I would just like to see the prices. Yeah, no problem. I can do that 100%. And who's gonna who would be operating on this?

Um public works would be and we're working on um learning how to operate everything currently. Who is who is teaching you? Um Jimmy has been helping us a lot. We've also had outside um sources come in and help too. Thank you. Thank you. Chief Wisdom, did you have anything? My apologies for being late. Today is a busy day like always.

Um uh to start off with, um I got a phone call last week that our handheld radios come in up in Kansas City. [clears throat] We had one of the firefighters um uh go pick them up. They have been taken over to it and programmed. We have them back in the station as of right now. They come back this evening over to the station. So, we will go we have that part taken care of. Um we have been we went on a a um automatic aid structure fire with 920. Um, Chief Hegwald uh told 205 to stand by at the station. We um the city firefighters ended up going and assisting in filling the tankers and stuff whenever they was coming in town to get water. Um I actually went out to the scene and assisted out there. Uh we've had a few lift assist that we've been on. Um so uh one of the one of the key things was last Wednesday we had a very very very good training. Um, we pulled the truck out and it was a training that combined several things. We combined the hooking the truck to, you know, the operator of the truck hooking to a hydrant. Uh we had the station set up in in a simulation of a garage and connecting uh residential um a residential area that um the first in the first two people that went in were on a fire hose that was going to um we told them what corner to go to. We actually opened the garage door and we sprayed some water. We had some tires and stuff out there to move whenever you sprayed the water. So we actually could tried to do everything we could to simulate a fire, how to work the the nozzles and everything. Uh the second team in was a search and rescue team.

They went in, we had uh two baby mannequins, one adult mannequin that we was, you know, giving them just a scenario of unknown unknown people inside and then we would update them that okay, there would be one person inside or whatever. So they knew what they was actually going to try to find. So the, you know, all of the firefighters were on air, packed up on air packs. Um, it was a very good training. We was there from 6:00 till, uh, by the time I got the truck filled up with fuel, I went home at like 10:30. So I mean, very beneficial. Um, [clears throat] everybody was very, um, happy with the training. you know, the um training officers were very enthusiastic about the younger firefighters that are stepping up to want to learn to do this and they were jumping right in there to do things. Um and also the um you know the the detail of the training officers that put into this training um was very was a very good training. I mean, we covered a lot of things in a structure fire scenario type thing that we covered a lot of things and everybody grasped what was going on. So, you know, we had had very good training there. Um, we do have some trainings coming up. Um, been I didn't get a plan. We have a six-month plan of voluntary trainings. I actually emailed um the mayor a picture of it today um to go from January, I think it's January 14th until June of different types of trainings that we're going to be doing. And that's just the voluntary trainings, not the mandatory trainings that we do every Wednesday, the first Wednesday of every month. Um, also we have

um not complete confirmation but uh March 31st we are bringing um Kansas State um fire and training is bringing down a skills trailer. On March 31st we have to come up with a place to be able to park a semi that has a flat area to park a semi that we can get an engine which we have the engine but we also have to have a a fire hydrant. so they can connect to. So, we're looking at different areas in town to where we can do this and keep the firefighters because this will be opened up to their website and um you know that way we're not like right next to the road and people driving by that are paying attention and you know just safety of all of the firefighters that are doing the trainings and things like that. Um, you know, we we have several trainings that's going to, you know, we have a lot in the first six months of next year that's going to be happening. So, um, you know, we're not just sitting around waiting. We're we're trying to be proactive as much as we can. Um,

the 21st, I apologize. March 21st. Um I talked to the um commercial company that is getting that we got the extractor washing machine through the gear thing. I talked to them today. Um I found out what they need for us to have whenever they come in to set it up. We have to have um 3/4 inch hot and cold lines coming in. We have to have just they I asked them they was saying just a one 120 plug but I said do you need a 30 amp plug? Do you need a 20 amp plug or 15 amp plug you know the because if you get into a 30 amp 120 plug they're actually shaped different than than your regular household plugs electric plugs and then we got to have like an inch and a half drain. So, that's going to be some of the things that we're going to have to get with public works to find out where the water is in that building over there. Um, to see if they have hot water over there. Um, and the guy said, um, Matt with the commercial company said, "We don't need a lot of hot water. We just need a little bit because the machine does not spin real fast." Um it's it's a slow turning machine and he says it doesn't use a lot of hot water, but they we want to have it available. So, we're going to have to figure out where this machine is going to be set, getting drains run to, you know, run away from it and getting things hooked up for that. Um, I am waiting to hear back whenever, um, Wise Fire, which is Bill Schneider, going to come down to do the measurements for the new gear of the grant. Now that we're past the the 19th. Um, so maybe one of the trainings that we have, I've just got to get with him to see whenever he's going to be available to come down to measure. you know, he brought up a couple of interesting things that maybe some of

the people that we had measured before might be better fit for the new gear and instead of the other gears. So, we're going to, you know, that's kind of up in the air, but we will have um we will have new gear for most everybody. We will have gear that is in compliance for everybody. The last meeting whenever I brought up I misspoke and I misread the grant that um I said seven I said we got seven sets of gear and an extra an extractor. As I was reading that later on I went to Becky the next day and I said I misspoke and I want and she said that this she caught the same thing. We're actually only getting four sets of gear. So, we're going to have eight brand new sets of gear and then with the four sets of gear that we have at the station that is in compliance. We're going to have gear for the all of the firefighters to where they will have something and then we can move forward in what we need to do with how we need to to go forward and getting the gear, getting some other stuff first or whatever. Um, that's all of the update that I can think of at the moment. Um, if you guys have questions,

do we have mass? Uh, has everybody been fit tested? Um, no. That is something that I'm going to get with Chief Hegwald to see if he can come in and do that. Um, one of the things that we might have to um what we might have to do is I have one firefighter that has a smaller face. I may have to buy a different mask for that one person because the masks that we have are what would be considered a large mask and one of them will have to be a mediumsiz mask. Um they're not cheap.

Are these masks new or are they used? the mass that we have now or the the ones we have now are just they're the ones that we've had for we have four SCBAs in the station with a total of seven bottles and we just we have four masks that each each SCBA has its own mask that goes with it and have they been who's the manufacturer

uh they are Drager which is um that is another thing that Weissfire takes care of I do know that two of them have been sent in. Like whenever I first got on to the city fire department, they had just come back from being um checked out. I need to verify on the others to see when they need to be getting in um with Absolutely. I think that's very important that those masks be Yes.

checked. Yeah, I'm also looking at any and all possibilities for grants to assist us to get some more SCBAs. I know they are not cheap to buy. So, I know I'm not going to come in here and say, "Hey, you know, we're going to have to spend lots and lots of money because it seems like every time we come in here talking to you guys, we got to spend money, spend money, spend money." So, I'm trying to do what I can to find grants that we can get some help with. You know, I'm not saying that we just want it all give to us. That would be great. But, um, you know, maybe we can get some grants that will help with some of the cost. I just want to make sure whatever they're putting on Yeah. that they are safe. Yeah. And that they've been tested.

Yeah. I do know I do I apologize for cutting you off. I do know two of them have been um the there was um two of them sent off to Weiss. They were were checked. Everything come back good. the masks and everything go whenever they go the masks go with them. They're all checked and everything. So, um whenever they check one of the SCBAs out, it is complete check. They will check the bottles and everything. Do you um do carbon monoxide um things for like the town and everything?

Uh we I have had a couple other people reach out to me about smoke detectors, a few about carbon monoxide detectors. I still have not heard back from the city attorney if um that's something that we can do without you know I do know this um um this act and I cannot think of the name of it. [snorts] Um, they have a waiver that the homeowner can sign, but you know what I want to hear back from the city attorney is it's a waiver that uh some attorney is not going to come after us at a later date if something malfunctions and say, "Well, you put them in you. It doesn't matter that they signed the waiver." You know, I'm trying to keep the legal side of things,

right? I would like for her to do the carbon monoxide as well besides the Well, the carbon monoxide, a lot of the smoke detectors you get now actually have both, but like the ones that um we have over there at the station are just smoke detectors only. They're not the CO2. Okay. But, you know, that's something that we can look into. I'm still, you know, I'm just waiting for the answer. Yes or no? Is she on? Jacqueline.

Um, when I had an opportunity to speak, that's one of the things I was going to speak on. We can go ahead and get a waiver. Um, but, um, kind of like anything else, it doesn't stop us from getting sued. And it depends on the expertise and whether we knew or should have known that we weren't the ones that have the expertise to install such things. Um certainly a waiver would help and um waving of any liability should there be any any issues. [clears throat] And so ultimately it's the um governing body's decision as to whether that is a risk that wants to be undertaken to benefit the public for both the smoke detector and the carbon monoxide will kind of fall under um in that whenever I do know that there is a certain distance from the ceiling down on the walls that there's you know that they are supposed to be um some are mounted on the ceilings. You know, there are some specific specs of where this stuff is supposed to be mounted. So, before we would ever get to the point of we're going to start trying to do this, if we are to if you guys agree and we all agree to try to do this, we're going to have specific specifications of where they will be placed on a wall or in a ceiling. And the ones that we are going to be putting in will be battery only, not connected to the to the residential electricity.

Where are the smokeers going to come from? I do. Um there is a there I almost said the name of it. There is a an act out there that you can actually get smoke detectors. Um if you give me just a second, I will try to look it up. That's okay. I just didn't know we would be applying for

it's they there is an act out there that that says that [clears throat] we can get the smoke detectors um some a get it program I think is what it's called get program or something like that um and I don't know if I am um reciting that exactly like it's supposed to be but there is something out there similar to that that we can actually potentially get um smoke detectors now the ones through that I think are only going be smoke detectors only. They're not going to [snorts] be carbon monoxide. So, we would have to check into that as well. But, um, you know, they would be the ones that we would be getting is because I would not want any of our firefighters to try to wire something into somebody's residential house at all.

No. You know, I'm I'm going to be I'll be the the bearer of bad news, but I'm not going to let them do it. I would like to see I mean if we could also besides the smoke detectors they get the carbon monoxide get into we can look into that too just you know because I know things happen and stuff so if people in our town are interested in it they can come to you guys and say hey can you come and install one you know whatever so I like that okay we will check into that as well thank you Any [clears throat] other questions? Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Any other questions relating to departmental reports? Financial overview.

Okay. Moving to unfinished business dam. Um I did go back from Jason this morning and he has the contract. It is the second one for start on the spillway repair and the contract is hourly. They will bill us hourly up to 25,000. He says he hopes that it won't come anywhere close to that but that is what they would like to set it at. And then um he's also working with the um the people to get the bids backs done so that we won't have to keep doing this every couple years. So what I need is if you guys will um agree to the um contract and we can get that signed and Jacine has reviewed it. We're agreeing to pay up to $25,000 an hour for the repairs.

Yeah. Um up to 25,000 total. Um Okay. I don't know if it breaks down yet. I just it's a bottom line on the first page that was Yeah. Now that that's the total cost that covers the cost of the whole dam or is this right there? That's just the engineering services. Do you have a cost for repair for anybody? That's what they're working on.

When are you supposed to find out on that? um he said that he would try to get it to me um within the next couple of weeks. I would like to take this home and just look it over before we um vote on this. That's what I would like and wait for those other um numbers to come in.

I agree. The thing the thing is um he is we need to pay him for working on these and that's what this would cover. The way the way I see it, we're we're being built by uh exhibit two, which the engineering services for this job would be $5,000.

No, the the 5,000 is the dam inspections and that's later on on the agenda. I'll explain what happens on that. So what are we? This is for the engineering to write the bid specs to repair the dam because it's all has to go through the department of um agriculture. Okay. So we're kind of new here. So, I guess what I'm asking is there more people that's looking at this or

um we have used um BG for all of the engineering services since I've been here. I don't know if they ever used any other one or not. So, this didn't go out for bid. No, it did not. Oh, and she's right. We've always used them. And that's fine if you guys want to take it and and look at it, but we won't have any other numbers until we get a contract with them.

Will it have a complete scope of his work on on what he's charging us for? I'm sorry. Would it have a complete scope of his work, what he's charging the city for? Like how he's doing the how he's doing the inspection, what what's all entails to it, the final inspection? Well, the contract says a lot of of what it what he will do. That's where I want to go. I I agree with Michelle. I want to [snorts]

So, I'll just put it on the agenda for next time then. Yes, please. [clears throat]

Thank you. If I can skip ahead just a minute since you guys are looking at this. Um, on the dam inspections, I received a letter from the Department of Agriculture that we had failed to do the dam inspections at the West Lake and I contacted them and they had been sending the information on that dam inspection to an email that we haven't had for two years. And so he fi they finally sent a hard copy and that is what this um is for. We have it was supposed to be done by December 31st but they have given us until March to get it done. Um [clears throat] and BG will do the dam inspections for $5,000. If we don't get them to don't get it done then the state will step in and they will charge a lot more than that to do the dam inspection. I know they done the ones at the East Lake um a couple of years ago.

And that's what this agreement that's separate. Yeah, he sent I didn't realize he had sent two of them, two different ones. He sent them at different times. He sent that one and I made the copies of it and then he sent the one on the spillway this morning and he resent it. And so that's why there's two copies of it. It becomes almost clear as mud now. Sorry about that. Yeah, this one is to do the inspection that we are missing and required. Yes, we have got to get that done and we have got to move on that now because the state is um giving us the extension. This

that one engineering services to determine what it's going to take to fix it. The second part of that is there's Yeah. Yeah, but we really need to get the the damn one signed tonight if at all possible because we are on borrow time on that one.

I think I would be agreeable to this one for the damn inspections, but the other package I need.

And where's the 5,000 going to come out of? It comes out of the water and the Not contraction only if it's contraction services. He's all right. [clears throat] And we have to do this one tonight.

Yes. We need to get it done as soon as possible. That's the damn [clears throat] inspection.

Yes. And I know two years ago they did put [clears throat] the um that out for bid and beach did get it to be the lake. Mhm. So with approval on this, how soon and get started

on the dam inspection. They'll have it done, I believe it says, within 45 days. It has to be done by the middle of March. And Jason and myself have both talked to the Department of Agriculture on this and um got the okay and I have it in in writing that they have given us until the middle of March to do. And then after they do their inspection, they'll give us um some quotes and stuff and what it takes to fix it.

Well, the inspection is well what they'll do is they'll inspect it to make sure that um everything is working okay. And they'll make recommendations like if the trees need to be cut off, if um the road there's rodents in the dam and then they [cough] submit that to us and must submit it to the state and they'll have pictures and everything and usually you'll have to go cut some trees down or you may have to fill in some road mills but um normally it's minor maintenance but it's a state requirement that they both have to be um inspected. It isn't does it every year or every

um every five years I believe. It depends on the classification of the dam. But these two pieces of paper are separate. Yes. I just happen to be talking about the same thing. Yeah. And they all have the same wicked cover. Yes. [laughter] Yeah. So I like this is the one we're talking about. Yes. Well, I make a motion to approve go forward with this dam inspection contract contract. Pardon me. The damation contract. Yes. Dam dam inspection contract.

It's been moved to go ahead and move forward with the dam inspection contract. Is there a second? I It's been seconded. Any other discussion? All in favor moving forward with the dam inspection contract.

[cough] [clears throat]

Thank you so much. Okay, moving forward with new business. Um, electing a president of the council. Everybody have a chance to read through in our city codes what that means, what the responsibilities include, and is anyone prepared to make a motion for nomination for someone to be president of the council.

I'll make a motion to nominate Bill Stewart. I will respectfully decline the nomination. that I will offer nomination the name of Sandy Hayes.

Like I got too much You guys want to think about it for two more weeks?

I nominate Michelle been reelected to city council. Oh, sorry. Okay. Roelle shines has been nominated for present to the council and seconded. All in favor?

Congratulations. President of the council. Resolution number 466. Audit requirements done annually. I understand that the uh the resolution is an annual requirement. I would like for the purpose of transparency for us to enumerate the funds that are being transferred from and to and the amounts being moved so that the people that are watching know what where we're moving the money to and from.

I agree. I agree. which is in essence a email you sent to us.

Well, one doesn't really have anything to do with the other. Those are just the the transfers which they're in the budget. I mean, if anybody wants to see them, we can show them to them. But this is that we're not um it has to do with the cash basis and budget laws. Yeah, the transfers [snorts] are in the budget and anybody that wants to see them, we can, you know, show them to them. I make a motion that we approve adopt resolution number 466 to meet the annual audit requirements. Second.

It's been moved and seconded to adopt resolution number 466 to meet the annual audit requirements. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Pass unanimous. ideas to improve the East Lake.

All right, East Lakes Potential I'd like to discuss is the desperate need to get it cleaned up. U this is the source of our drinking water and ant possibly sucking inside of it and algae on a regular basis which in my opinion the council should take a really close hard look at. Uh the intake area needs to be dredged to prevent any sediments being exposed to our drinking water. We need to address the source which is the intake and dredging the lake would ultimately help with that. There are several areas of the lake need to be looked at very closely through invasive weeds and the issues that they create over time in the lake. I talked to several agencies about the lake referring to the findings from water whisper solutions from earlier this year and makes some re recommendations to the city about about East Lake and the severe issues that invasive weeds are causing. With that in mind, I found there are better solutions to copper sulfate. Copper sulfate is a metalbased chemical that settles in the sediment and mud of the lake bottom and contaminates the fish. The fish population it's not only toxic to the ecosystem but to humans as well is not properly lose. Copper sulfate never dissipates being a metal base. So with the conditions of the lakes, copper sulfate is not not the answer. That would only be a band-aid to a gaping wound. I found safe non-toxic ways to clean the shore with a blanket called a lake mat. And what it does is just basically you lay it out and it blocks the UV rays from getting down to the ground where the weeds can't get up through. uh we need to address this. You know, our lake is, you know, we got all these people come from all over fishing our lakes. Word of mouth goes a long ways. So, I mean that people coming in here from Johnson County, W County, they want to fish. They don't want to pull in 30 lbs of moss. Uh I found safe non-toxic ways

of cleaning the algae in select areas where they really need to be aggressively tackled with safe eco eco-friendly chemicals. Uh these areas from target I believe turn the lake around what it used to be and if we we just it just needs to be done. I mean the lake is horrible. And on another note, January or uh June 6th, we have the Bass Masters coming to Pleasanton. They'll be fishing out at the lake. Uh be a good opportunity to showcase the lake and possibly bring more revenue into the city. I got

any questions on any of that at the moment? I guess my only question would be um KDH would they have is there certain specs that they require or chemicals that they require that would

Yes. And talking with Don George he recommends that you know we run the chemicals through through him because he would he's the one the caretaker of the lakes so to speak. So, but all the all these chemicals on the pamphlets that I gave on you guys, all these chemicals are all safe to use for the ecosystem and the fish and are you know safe. Anything up in the legs at the moment? All right. Uh what you have in front of you is a proposal that was brought to the city of changing out several of the fixtures and lighting and lights throughout uh city buildings that could then potentially save the city um money on electricity used each year. So basically they came out, they walked through um the community center, city hall and public works department kind of made notes of what all the lights, the fixtures and everything was and then gave the proposal is to like switch all of these hallogens and different energy burning lights to LEDs throughout um those buildings. The buildings as a whole and a total uh with the grant

proposal type thing that they have um it's incentivizable. So, this the total price would be 34,000, but the incentivizable if they did all the work and installed all the fixtures and changed everything themselves, um it would cost the city $19,800 if they did all of those installs and everything and end up saving the city around $7,000 annually over the lifespan of all these lights, which was typically 12 to 15 years, equaling about $80,000 worth of savings within that time. Um the other options that are available is if um we had public works do the changing of the fixtures and everything, they would provide the fixtures and everything, the incentivizable one. So if you go over to page 15, kind of shows um some of that. If the city did all the install installation of everything self-installed, then what we would pay is $980 um to have all of those to have all those fixtures delivered and then we would have the time um of public works to actually put them in. We could do a combination thing where they would do the work to install some of the lights uh and then we would do the rest. For instance, if the city chose self-installation for a portion, um page 15, it shows, you know, city staff self-installation of city hall and fire department, but they did the community center entirely. That would be $10,86 from the city, but the savings overall is still about $7,000 a year over the lifespan of these lights.

So, we wanted to bring this moneysaving opportunity to the council to consider. And it would increase the brightness and overall aesthetics of the lights, bringing them all into the same range spectrum of lights. [clears throat] At the community center, you will see that it shows a switch from the hang down lights that are um hallogens, a whole bunch of them. It switches those to actually inseiling lights um similar to these, but it would just be solid panels of lights, not light bars.

They classify those as hallogen. What are they called? Those are not Oh, they're iridescent. Incandescent. Yeah, those. I'm sorry. I used the wrong word there. But there's another solution. Instead of replacing the whole light, you can get a way of getting rid of the ballast. They've got a uh LED setup that you can put into it without tearing the whole thing down. That's what we're counting. Yes.

At the time cost a lot cheaper than spending $400 per bike. Well, if we did it if we wanted to do all the installations ourselves, which we would have to do in the case of replacing the bulbs, um we could get everything necessary to us for that $980. And would the lights on the outside of the community center be affected on this too? What do you mean? Well, yes. What I just asked the lights on the outside?

Lights on the outside. Yes. This is this is making sure that every um bulb at the community every light at the community center um city hall, public works, fire department would be all LEDs which have different brightness settings so we can actually match it to what we need in each of the places. And was this which I'm going to assume it isn't uh was it in the budget? No, no. This just

this is this is an opportunity that came to us um as an incentive program. I basically the cost of it uh with uh the cost of it would be the 34,000. But if with the incentivizing us and us installing it ourselves, just getting the fixtures and everything, it would be $980. And we could get all that if we have public works install all the fixtures. And the money's going to if we approve it, the money will come.

Um, it would be much better to wait until after the first year to approve it. So, it would come out in next year's budget. But, Everg contacted us on this, said that they had been going around to different towns doing this. And to my understanding, even if we approved it now, it would still take three or four weeks for all the paperwork and everything to do. So, we're looking at um probably February before That's my That's what I want to do.

So, I'm going to put this on the next council meeting. [cough and clears throat] These are some of the things that I would like to see in our packets. at all possible or information so that we have some time to look it over. Okay, Jacqueline, did you have anything?

Yes, I did actually. Um, in light of the public comments, I feel like it's appropriate to go ahead and respond to that. Um, on September the 2nd, the council had a meeting where in the questions were raised about the council andor the fire chief being able to appoint firefighters. Also, when that meeting was discussed, what about [clears throat] water? And so, those were two issues of liability that I wasn't able to comment on at the time. The mayor said that that would require a charter ordinance. I believe that my responsibility is to do the work of the city not at the behest of any one person including the mayor. So I did take it upon myself without any direction from anyone to make sure that council members two of whom I was able to reach others I was not able to reach knew that it was not in fact a charter ordinance that would be the difference in um allowing the fire chief to appoint um his firefighters. Um I did go ahead and call um Kansas League of Municipalities. They advised me that the appropriate statute was KSA 1210A06. That advice ended up being um incorrect because that is the statute that requires the five votes to override the veto. A different statute was brought up at the [cough] raised that statute that had actually been um repealed there. conducted additional research to find out the actual statute that governs um the city of Pleasanton. Um there was no conversations between uh myself and the mayor regarding this um situation. What happened was the mayor made it

clear in the September 2nd meeting that he was not in favor of the fire chief or police chief being able to appoint their own u members for the conflict that the mayor perceived. Um however that did not require a charter ordinance that was just a simple um vote by the council that could create um the ordinance. However, due to mis advice that I received, I subsequently transmitted um the information about KSA 1210 A06. I ultimately was able to correct that um information and the um veto uh override was in fact successful to the point that the fire chief does now get to appoint his firefighters with the consent of of the council. Um in so far as there was no communication either by phone, text or email between myself and the mayor regarding this topic. Of course, there was nothing responsive to the core request. Corora requests can themselves be correct. So those end up being subject to the open record. Anyone can figure out what was requested in the Kora. It requested any and all communication between myself and the mayor pertaining to um that ordinance and any type of veto or override. Since there was no such communication, there was nothing response to that. The allegation that there is somehow any type of you know selfdealing. How it works is that the records of the city are maintained by the city except that individual people are allowed to maintain the records of their own private communication devices to the extent that there is public business conducted on private uh communication devices are in fact subject to open

records. However, if there are no such communications that are made, then obviously there is nothing responsive to such a request. So any attempts to communicate what the law actually is, i.e that a charter ordinance is not allowed. That's my responsibility as a city attorney to ensure that all members of the governing body understand what type of ordinance, charter or regular ordinance is required to change one of the city codes or to opt out of um a statute that is not uh uniform. So that was the intention of the communication and my belief that the mayor had made it clear in the September session and prior meetings what his intentions were always trying to um answer people's reaction the job of of a lawyer which is why I um you know made that information note and when I learn that I made a mistake I'm not afraid to go ahead and admit that mistake and attempt to get such things corrected which is why the veto was ultimately able to be overridden. So uh obviously context extremely matters and taking certain things out of context can definitely um seek to change the narrative for whatever uh reasons people have. So um in the the interest of transparency it was appropriate to make sure that the community understood you know what tri

thank you did you have anything else I don't at this time thank you [clears throat] Rochelle uh yeah is the trash compactor going to be open on Wednesday since um it's not

Wednesday Thursday and Friday have been signed by executive order as federal holidays this year. So since it would normally be closed on Wednesday, it's still closed on Wednesday. Friday is now a federal holiday for this year. So our moving from New Year's Eve to or from Christmas Eve to the day after is really moved.

And then the light pole street. Um is have you heard anything if on the six on the corner there where I've mentioned before it's going to fall? Looks like it's going to fall.

Um he was supposed to look at that when he was here. Did I'm not sure what the result of that looking at it was. I will touch base with him again and find out what was determined on it. And then for next year going into next year, I would we voted I mean we told Becky to lower our pay as council from 50 to 25. I would like to see the mayor's pay from 75 to 50 and no extra pay for special needs because he gets paid for extra special meetings. We have a city administrator so she does all the work. So that's what I would like to see and we just agreed to. So, do you agree, mayor, to lower your 75?

Do I?

Yeah. Why not? Cuz we have a min we have a city administrator. She does all the work and that's what we have her for. So um right now it is in the city code what the pay structure is. So even if any individual member or um mayor agreed or didn't agree to certain pay, it would still require a motion second and um a majority vote in order to be able to change the code. And we did amend the ordinance changing council's pay from 50 to 25. Correct. We we closed that loop on paper.

Yes. Uh yes. Yes sir. I believe that the

you all all that and that that one was changed according according to your vote. But to answer your question directly, there's a whole lot more than that I do than just come to the council meetings and so forth. There are other things that I do throughout the week that requires gas and time and energy and other things to do. Uh which is appropriate for mayor to do. Anything else? [clears throat] How are we heard anything about the dump truck?

It's back. We got it back. The dump truck is back. Yes.

We got it clear back to town. All the way. The jump truck came all the way back to the jump. Yes. Bill, did you have a thing?

Yeah, I do. Um, and it is somewhat painful to do this. Um, first of all, congratulations to Relle for being our new council president. And to our three newest members of city council, um, as of today, I am resigning from city council. My frustration with the city is immense. Uh, since we brought up the dump truck, one of my biggest gripes is we authorized fixing that dump truck and it took six weeks for a call to have it towed in to get it fixed. We have a tractor with a brush hog that is capable of mowing the sides of the lake sitting over here that's had a flat tire for over a year that we haven't looked at. We fired a gentleman because we said he drove the um lawnmower to the lake. Well, the reason that he drove the lawnmower to the lake is because people were saying get it cut and he wasn't given a vehicle to tow the trailer with because we have a pickup set not back that is broke. We have not considered things that we've talked about. We should be and we talked about replplumbing the pool building because we have a significant leak. The skylight in the pool building that was identified before the the swimming season began still has not been repaired.

There's two of them, one in the girls and one in the men's. And I've said it too.

You know, there has been no discussion of what we're going to do or how we're going to go about chasing down a new filter. What we're going to do or how we're going to take care of the uh broken pipe at the suction side of the kiddie pool that is causing the pump to cavitate. The pump after the pool was shut down ran for two weeks. Had I not stopped by and heard it cavitating and turned it off, it would still be running. I am beyond aggravated. I have been chastised for yelling at city workers. I have been chastised for putting people to work or encouraging to do their job. We have a significant lack of supervision in public works. We live on a system of cronyism. We are not efficient. We spend our mornings getting started. We have people coming in late. We have people on a consistent basis. when I I was harsh with Taylor because I'd like to see something done, but Taylor is probably our best department head that we've got because she is proactive and she is trying. Most people are looking to buy another piece of equipment or raise their hands in the air and say, "We need to fix this before we can get the Christmas lights up. Nothing will work." Well, Christmas lights are up and they work. Uh we need to buy this. We need to buy that. We need to do something and our people need to take ownership at the water plant. Since the day I was elected, I have offered to help fix the West Clarifier. To date, the West

Clarifier still is not fixed, and nobody has approached me or asked me to help. Nobody has formulated a plan other than, "Oh my god, it's broke. We've got a valve in the one of the um filter tanks that is near unto needing to failure, needing to be replaced, but other than being notified that we needed one, there hasn't been anything done. Becky cannot do everything on her own. She has I mean just running a calculator keeping a book straight driving me buggy. Uh we need a supervisor for public works that designates who does what when and directs things to be done. I am not physically capable of dealing with the aggravation any longer. So with that, it would be my recommendation that the next highest person in the U last election was Dennis Miller. I talked to to Aaron this evening and he is not willing to take up the bag of crap that I'm leaving behind. Uh my only hope is that Dennis might. Um you guys have stepped into a thankless job. I pray that you can kick the right buttons and move things forward, but I'm out of effort and thank you.

Thank you, sir, for your service on the council. Um clarification on the Christmas lights. They are up and running because um I was able to get a hold of EverG and have them come out and fix the electric between the poles to allow those lights to work. Um far as a reminder goes Christmas, merry Christmas, happy holidays. We have some um BG consultants gave some of these if somebody would like some so forth. I don't know that uh Becky wants to have them all.

I have a question before we adjourn. Why is the uh snow pile truck being ran through town when um there's no snow on the road? Why is the pile truck being drove? Nothing's being plowed. It's been prepared. I understand it's not being plowed, but I'm just saying why is it being drove if you know? So, the plow has been put on the truck so that it is ready to use and the truck that is normally driven is being driven still. How many city trucks do we have and how many of them need to be run through the town? I mean, you got how many pe how many people run city trucks at one time? There's usually two at a time, but

but they're still not a time driving. So, they should be I mean, you want I've seen them run through town numerous times also. But you got that little white for it, too, don't you? That's supposed to be for the code officer that sits here half the time,

right? Um, so the vehicles are being used all in their appropriate fashions and like they are not they're not just driving around town for no reason. They're going to and doing things and being used as they need to be within everything. If you see the plow on it, we'd rather have the plow attached now um or as it's needed. We've already had snow this year as opposed to them trying to come out here in the bad weather and attach the plows and stuff at that time. That that truck is like the water truck.

So, what's wrong with the truck that we have sitting out there that's broke? The red one. Which red one? What is the red truck? Yeah. I I don't know. I didn't know anything. Didn't know anything wrong with it either. Well, I'm like Bill. I think we need to We will find out. Definitely keep moving forward.

Well, I'm excused out. Um, I know that we've been moving on trying to fix everything because I don't believe that anything should just be sitting around broken. If it's broke, fix it. If we can't fix it, then we should get rid of it and get something that does work and can be worked and used. So, I know we've been working on getting things gone through fixed and etc. So, if something is broken out there, uh, it's cuz we're not aware of it or we're waiting on something for it. Uh but we will find out um tomorrow what it is that is broke and then get that communication to you all.

And is the department heads going to still come in like we requested and tell the public's you know update it for the public? We can have the department heads um start coming in at the next meeting and giving their updates. Did you realize that you'll be paying a lot of time to do that? And then also there's two. So if you want them to come that's fine but they can come but they will have to be paid time and say they come or we have time here. No,

you're not over time. No. Are you Tristan? No. It's like the council meetings don't even go on my time sheet.

So, do you want them to be here or not? I mean, I mean, I like what they're doing right now. I mean, just like writing on what they do in one league. I mean, I mean, everybody reads it and that's what they did. It's in our city codes that the departmental reports and instructions back to them go through the city administrator, which is the method that we had been using with them turning their reports in and then Becky getting them to everyone.

So, what is your pleasure? Leave it like this. Leave it like it is. I say no. Never know. Leave it the way it is. But it is subject to change. Yeah. Okay. Because we should be able to if we have a question, we should be able to even if they're out in public, we should be able to go and talk to them and ask them the question if we see something, you know, somebody's brought it to our attention, you know, and ask them a question on stuff.

Well, if we follow city codes, she would need to contact Becky so that she can who handles the day-to-day operations of the city and oversees the employees for her to find out. So, you're saying you none of us can just go up there and talk to them? Um well to what extent do you want people around town and the citizens stopping all the employees to ask the questions and then they get stopped 25 times a day by 25 citizens he asked the same question. They should be the citizens should be able to talk to them and ask them questions.

I'm not saying the citizens should be able to talk to them. But if the citiz if we have 25 citizens stopping an employee for 15 minutes each in a day, then the council's going to come and they're going to gripe that our employees are not getting anything done. I'm just saying they should be able to they should be able to go up and talk to them if they see him and they have a question and simple. But yeah,

anything else? And if we do start having them come in, I think that um put me your mic on. Make sure I'm sorry. If we do start having them come in, I think one of the things that we need to make sure that we're not badgering them, that that we're talking to them, getting their their input, and helping them along the way, not coming in here to be back. I would entertain a motion for adjournment. One second. I need a motion first. Please make a motion. I make a motion we

It's been moved and seconded to adjurnn. All in favor? We are adjourned. Okay.

You're welcome. [laughter] I have already started. I have already started.

Well, the problem