City Council - Special Meeting

I will go ahead and call to order tonight's meeting for Monday, August 3rd, 2026 at the Pleasanton City Council. We'll start with the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I've asked Pastor Sherman to say a prayer.

Dear Lord, thank you for bringing us here tonight. Pray that you'd be with us as we do the business of the city and the best interest of the city. Pray that you would help those that are speaking, that everything is portrayed the way it needs to be portrayed. Pray this in your name, amen.

Are there any changes or additions to the agenda that anyone sees? Okay. Thank you ma'am. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda?

I'd like to make a motion for the consent agenda. I second.

It's been moved and seconded to approve the consent agenda. Any discussion? All in favor? So moved. Public comments? We have two. Jack Shrekas. If you could approach and say your name and address for the record, please.

Jack Shrek High, 708 Cedar Street, Pleasanton, Kansas. The main reason I come here tonight is because here lately I've been trying to spend as much time as I can with my dad, taking fishing and everything like that. We can't get out on the piers a lot. They need to be mowed and weed-eated big time on both the upper and lower part of that lake. So I don't know why we're not getting it done. These lakes have never, ever looked like this. The last couple of years, they've just gotten worse. So that's all I've got to say, and I wish you would take it upon yourselves to get it done.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Chloe Allison?

Hello, my name is Chloe Allison. I live at 1011 Laurel Street here in town. I'm here because most of you know that us citizens of this town want answers, but we are not asking the questions in fear of being bullied. I would like to start by saying this. Please hold all of your commentary until I am done. I do want answers to these questions, but please wait until I'm done so I can use my time. I had many questions for many of the heads of departments. One of them is I have questions for Tristan. I would like to know what the crime statistics for the past three years are. Are they consistent or worse compared to this year alone? Tristan, are you tired? How many activities have you missed with your kids? How many bedtimes, the late nights from growing or being sick? What is the main consensus in the past year as to why police officers leave our department? Thank you, Tristan, for your years of dedicated service. I called the sheriff's office to see if they were patrolling more in our town, and in speaking to Sheriff Akes, our conversation was absolutely appalling. Not because he said he can only do so much, but because he's very upset, and the reason is because Mr. Bowley I don't know if you realized, but I watched and tried to find the video that he talked about, and I couldn't, where he was here and spoke to you guys. Couldn't find it anywhere. He said that at that meeting, that you basically told them that Wynn County sheriffs were not good enough to help us. Now, I can't prove that that's true, because I can't find that anywhere. I'm not saying it's true. But if it is, that's ridiculous. I have this to say, is it okay to bully others as long as you're on the mayor's side? Or is it okay to bully someone if their opinion doesn't go with your views? My next questions are about the water. It's always being blamed on the lakes turning over, which only happens twice a year, spring and fall. Everybody knows that. It's not fall. The water goes yellow and nasty at least once, sometimes twice a month. John, how long have our water systems been failing? How long do you think it has before it completely goes? Josh, how many times have you mentioned to the mayor and council that it needs repairs? Have all those repairs been made? I ask this mayor, what happens if the water plant fails? Do you have a backup plan? Why not, if not? Jeff, can you tell me why the ISO rating is so important for tax reasons? Can you tell me what happens if the water plant shuts down? What effects does the water plant and fire department being gone have on residents? I will close with these questions. Why do you refuse to talk to Sheriff Akes? And I will save my other questions about the budget and everything else for the next few days.

The water roof loan, I put it on this agenda and then I realized in reading the note a little closer, he's actually coming next meeting to talk about the water roof loan and where we are on that. Water pumps.

Good evening. I'm Zach Compton. I'm from Pittsburgh, Kansas. I have a company called Cardinal Site Work. Josh asked me to come by tonight. There's three pumps at your wet well at the lake that supply water to the treatment plant. based on the data that is being received off those pumps. I'm told by Josh, it looks like one of those pumps doesn't work anymore, and the other two are really getting towards the end of their useful life. They were put in, I think, in 1993? Yeah. Yeah, so they're at the end of their expected life as well. So one of the things that my company does is install new pumps. So we've provided a proposal to Josh just today. It's pretty fresh. I'm not sure that any of you would have had an opportunity to see it yet. But it's a proposal to provide and install some new pumps down there. We'll leave a lot of the same piping in place, the wet well, the electrical service, things like that. It's my understanding that all those things are still in good shape and and don't necessarily need any attention right now. So we've got a few extra copies tonight. I don't know if you guys have seen it yet or not, but I can give these to you and give you a chance.

So does your company help try to find ways to help cities finance this?

No, ma'am. No, we're a construction outfit, so we just provide and install.

Is this total cost for the whole project, or is this for one pump?

That's for three pumps. Three pumps.

And what about the valves that are there with them?

Yes, sir, there would be new check valves installed with the pumps.

Okay. If a green pump ought to counsel, how long would it take you to address that problem?

I believe the pumps, as of last week when I spoke to the manufacturer, they were about two months out on building them. And then we could get in pretty quickly after that to install them.

How long would the water be shut off?

Well, it's one of those things, they're at the bottom of a 35-foot deep wet well, and they haven't seen the light of day for 30-some years. So we don't know exactly what we're getting into. We've got a pretty good idea. We would probably anticipate about three days to install, to pull the old pumps and put the new ones in and get them reconnected. There's a chance it could be quicker than that. There's a chance that we find something that we weren't expecting down there and take a little longer. It's just dealing with a lot of unknowns.

So the residents, would they be just kind of off and on with their water?

I don't know. Josh would probably speak to that better than I could.

What was the question again? Would the residents, would they be out of water for like a whole day?

Well, that's what I'd be thinking of because we probably... We got about two days worth of water in the ground storage tank and the water tower. So it'd be about a day and then we would have to go into a boil order for the lack of pressure.

I know we need to do something, but we've got to figure out where our friends are.

So Josh, those three valves that you were saying that don't work at the three different levels? Yeah. So is that the valve that would also be changed?

What?

Yeah, so would that be the valves that would also be changed?

No, so what you have is you have intake pipes from the lake into the wet well. Those valves are broken. Those wouldn't be replaced as part of this. The valves I'm talking about are check valves on the system so that it's pumping and water doesn't come back in when the pump stops.

Does all this have to be cleared through the KDHE?

Well, we don't typically deal with permitting and regulatory stuff, but it's my understanding that, no, this is a like-and-kind replacement, and so this isn't KDHE territory.

If we would build a new intake, it would be because of the whole new construction, a whole new place where we're pulling water out, that would need engineers and KDHE approval.

And this, and this will come out of the water. Utility fund.

The. The approximately 100,000 dollars, we would have to. Get a loan or something right now we're working on a loan for 215,000 for the roof of the water plant because we simply don't have the funds. I believe right now we have in the water reserve fund about 20,000 dollars or something like that.

You'd have to get a short-term loan from, what is it, the USDA or something like that?

From something on that?

And you have to remember, if we're going to get a GO bond, we won't be able to do another project. Because we're already at four GO bonds, and like I said at the budget meeting, if we get another one, we won't be at our max. So that's basically it.

Right now there's no estimation on how long these pumps that we have will continue to work or not, is there?

I don't think we could give you a reliable one. I think we're seeing data that shows that they're declining.

It's not a linear decline. It is not something that we can just sit on for a while making a decision regarding the water system itself. I would remind the council that the entire Filtration system that the city has is definitely showing age and there's a lot of other things within it that are having issues within the water treatment itself. We also have on the agenda to discuss connection to wholesale 13 and what that would cost us weighing our options right now is very important. The answer that many people are wondering is right now, no, the city does not have a backup water system of any sort. If we lose the pumps at the lake, if we lose our filtration water plants, the city of Pleasanton is in an immediate state of emergency. We have no water. And that is an unfortunate horrifying thoughts to think that we are looming so close to that kind of state of emergency.

And this is decades of just... Death.

Yes. This is just decades of... It's not anything that anybody... It's just over time that this is... It's like the paint in your house. It slowly fades and shifts and you don't see it because you're there watching it.

So would you be replacing the stamp pipes all the way out or just the pumps inside the stamp pipes?

No, just the pumps inside. So we'd have to pull that out.

So regardless, you've still got to get the sediment away from the intake. Regardless. Or is it going to be the same issues?

I'm not familiar with some of the issues. I was told that the pumps are going out and we needed an option.

He's talking pumps only. We would still have the issue of picking the lines that's not been done, that would need to be done within that. We have that cost. We have the clean outs of all that area cost. We have the valves themselves that don't shut off cost within that. We start adding all those things up and it's going to quickly equal about the same amount of getting wholesale 13 water brought to us. If not surpass it, and if we get all the pump stuff and everything else fixed, that's great. Right now our filters are filters inside of filters. It was brought up last year that one of the outer walls of the filters, it seems like it might have a crack in it. Uh, so those are things that are looming on top of everything else. I mean, that's a lot of information. It's been slowly dispersed to the council over the years. Now, we're at a point of having to compile all that information again and saying. This is this is an ever increasing problem that we need to figure out what we're going to do with and how to resolve it. know regarding the wholesale 13 connection BG consultants will be here next council meeting to kind of talk about what next steps that is the grants that we would qualify for because of how looming of an emergency that we're in for water supply and that could actually help the city quite a bit I should say is there something out there that can help us yes because I know we need to do it it's

And so we've got to find some help somewhere. We have to.

Well, talking to KDHE, they said that we can file deficiency. That could help us get us funds. Also, if we ever run out of water, such as the filtration building collapsing or all the pumps shut off, they said that we would have to get a hold of National Guard for them to bring in a mobile water treatment facility.

So we would just contact KDHE?

No, we would have to get in contact with National Guard.

But I mean for this assistance?

No, that would be more of finances. because the KDHE doesn't really do with all of that. You have to get in touch with somebody that knows about finances, the deficiencies and that, and then they're able to allow to give emergency grants and that.

So do we know who that would be?

No. USDA is a good contact for that. That's the ones that do that type of loan in case of emergencies.

And yeah, and all of that information and so forth is stuff that BG Consultants is bringing next meeting. He apologizes for not being here at this meeting, but he had other activities planned that he is at.

So we could talk to him about this as well and see if he can help us find some emergency... Is that correct?

Yes. I mean, as far as the pumps and so forth, 108,000 here, who knows what it would be to clear all that up, the new valves, the new pigging, the plant in itself. And that was something that I brought up when we started talking about the roof. Really looking at everything else we need is important to really grasp the water system as a whole, because you don't want to have Up to 100,000 dollar loan and 100,000 dollar loan and 100,000 dollar loan and 300,000 dollar loan. And especially when we have presented to us a 608,000 dollar connection total. So 13. Which would then potentially solve it, depending on how quickly that could be done. And we are looking at around a mile connection.

So I think what we'd like to do is see where we can come up with some additional funding through USDA and try to figure this out before we make a solid decision on that. And so that will hopefully be at the next meeting we can get things going as soon as we can. I mean, if we have to call a special meeting for it, I mean, we call a special meeting.

What we can do is I can contact you consultants to find out exactly when Jason would be available again. We can call a special meeting to discuss just the water situation in the city and. Move on some kind of decision in one way or another, so that we can get going with this a little faster or even email him and let him know what we're looking at.

See if he can be working on the sidelines and bring us some information.

Okay. Get the ball rolling faster. Yes. Yes.

Do you need a motion for that?

No.

So you'll be contacting him and we'll know something hopefully within the end of the week.

sent him an email earlier today and got an automated response he is out of the office through august 7th but there is a number here for immediate assistance so i can call someone else in the office there and speak directly with them and see what we have to get on it just as soon as we can please thank you Thank you. Josh, the other items that we need?

Yes, right now if you turn over to the pages, we got actuators and the assembling for the actuators and positioning devices. They're 15 year old. I got one already shoddy that doesn't communicate with SCADA correctly. So I've been needing to do everything manually for back washing that. And then sooner or later, other ones are starting to act up as well. So I'm having problems with back washing. If I'm gone and John's not, well, if I'm not here, John doesn't understand the SCADA system that well to be able to run it Yeah, it won't run in auto. So I would need to be here to backwash it manually. And then that's for the actuator and positioners. Then if you turn to the next page valve 15 is about to break off. Like if It takes so much torque to just shut that for wastewater. Well, for our backwash. If that thing snaps off, I'm down a filter. I can keep it running for about a week, but then that will lead to more problems. There's a high turbidity coming in, and I'm just calling KDHE, boil order, and all that if I can't get this fixed. It probably got like two, three back washers left it feels like because it's getting stuck more and more often. And the position where that valve is is not great. It hurts my back after trying to close it. Then you have to use a cheater bar and if you ever have to use a cheater bar on a valve, that's not a good thing. And my problem is that it's been like this For years, even before I was. It was like this whole building, this facility, the distribution system, all been neglected. Take what we dug up last Monday, well, Saturday through Monday. We had to replace that entire line because it's just patches after patches after patches. It's horrible how many places how many more places do we have like that that just don't burst randomly because it was two on the same day we were able to fix one and then we ran into this problem talking to Conley that they've always been down there three or four times a year trying to fix that area and they just patch it does this have to do no it doesn't this is totally something different this is different yes but what i'm getting at is that everything here is so dilapidated that it's going to cost a lot of money to get everything fixed I do recommend doing a wholesale 13 because then you don't have to worry about power supply. You save money in that. Chemical feeds and that. Because right now, still having to feed a bunch of sodium permanganate into our line to counter the manganese. It's because it's so hot lately and then we just had a cold spell. So all that sediment and that is fluctuating.

So the $8,000 one is about the backwash valve. Backwash. Our filter's cleared so that we can actually clean the water.

All of them are.

And then these are too? Yes. Okay. So this is now the continuation of having the filters work properly.

$12,440 in prices, something like that.

That's $12,440.

to me what like you've got one week I don't understand that oh them are all the pieces for the actuators and positioners that we have and that's how long it will take to get it to us right yeah yeah yeah each one yeah yeah

And what about on that big 8-inch valve?

8-inch, he didn't give me an estimated time.

Oh, so this valve has a 10- to 12-inch, 12-week lead time.

And is this... You installing or does this include them installing?

Them installing. The front page would be us installing with the actuators and positioners. Then the big valve, that would be him installing.

Do you know when they would come install this one?

He didn't tell me over the phone that it says something on that paper.

So even now, when I'm proving it and getting it ordered tomorrow, we're still 10, 12 weeks out. It's something that we really need swiftly.

We have a little bit in the water utility fund.

Would it be wise, though, to get this stuff ordered and coming and spend that money? Or would it be better off to save it for the 2013? I know it's just a crap job either way.

Well, again, that depends on how long it's going to be. Because if it's... Because if they say it's going to be six months later before they do it, which hopefully not, hopefully once we get everything finalized, it'll only take them like a week or two. And then there won't be any, then you won't need it. But again, we have to know how long it's going to take to hook up to wholesale 13.

But even if we hooked up to wholesale 13, It doesn't minimize the things that you still have to do at the water plant to flush the water and make it safe. Yes. Correct. Because 13 is just a backup. And it's not going to supply the citizens.

Well, that depends on how we connect to 13. Do we connect as a backup or do we connect as a primary source? They say it's only a backup.

It's only a backup. Because they can't hold us.

They're revamping their program out there at Mount City. So at this point in time, it's only going to be a backup source. We're still going to have those, yeah.

That means we're still looking for the pumps and all that as well.

Yeah.

Where would this come out of? I would have to come out of the water utility plant.

And then you said that we had 20, like in the reserve?

I make a motion to approve $12,440.05 for the purchase of the college.

So we move to second to approve the $12,440.05. Are these ballot pieces needed? Any discussion? All in favor? So moved.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. Josh, before you go, I want to congratulate you for passing your test.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Thank you.

Yes. Yeah. I'll let you know when it gets shipped out. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

the special reserve funds don't have to be a budgeted item with that they're in the outlay stuff that doesn't that can be used without having to actually be in the budget and that's why it's important to have that for every department because you never know when the sewer lines can break or the water line or Okay, you all should have received a copy of the court procedures for Kansas cities for meetings in the email, especially on that. And you should have received the policy for public speaking on that. that the city has within everything I know some comments have come forth to different people on the number of guest speakers and etc that we've had and some confusion over agenda not agenda and so forth so we have the the city's policy and then we have this that we run meetings off of code of procedures for meetings it kind of explains the meetings talks about the agenda and Section 10 of this, which is, which was adapted into the city codes in 2025 as part of how we run meetings. So, as to not use all of parliamentary procedures, Robert's rules of order, which is about that thick. It's a great read. If you want to go sleep. So, kind of a condensing of that into more generalization for a session 10 actually says agenda items, any governing body member or staff. Member of the city may request to have an item placed on the agenda. Members of the public may not place an item on the agenda that may have a governing body member sponsor such an item. So, as far as people calling into city hall and saying, I want on the agenda, that would be public comments. and not them being on the agenda for an indefinite amount of time. So that is something that is rationale to lower our meeting time itself. Within that, we look at the city's policy for public comment during council meetings. There are different sections here, three different sections. One of them, the first one is public hearing. And this is like we have a public hearing coming up on September 8th for the budget, the R&R, all of that. Each person is allotted at that time who wants to speak five minutes to address the concerns or anything on that. For general issues, public comment, people come up and they want to speak to the governing body. That actually is a three minute time. So our agenda is kind of wrong for that versus five minutes. It's actually three minutes, according to this, with a total time limit of all speakers being 30 minutes.

I thought it said three to five. Was that the discretion?

Oh, it just says three here.

Somewhere I read it said three or five minutes. So it's at the discretion of the council.

Yes, so also the mayor or the meeting chair may limit redundant comments or presentations, or may further limit the allocation of time per speaker so that everyone who wishes to address the governing body regarding general issues or concerns has an opportunity within the 30 minutes allotment. And that kind of is to guide everybody's time so that we're not here endlessly listening to even the same thing over and over again. Um, for that, so I just wanted to kind of bring that up if there's anything within that that the council would like to see changed or different on that. We should have this is go over it. And if you wish to discuss any changes, let me know. So we can get that on the agenda itself. It does also that I forgot to mention a while ago within this. agenda and meetings and everything else it does mention on the chair's ability to allow public comment from the floor regarding what we're talking about and that is being called upon by the chair so whenever i ask people to not yell out or so forth please don't yell out and it's not because i'm being rude or mean it's because we want to maintain an orderly meeting that at any point anybody that's here that has a comment regarding the topic that we're discussing up here that wants to inject information

you will kind of wave at me then I will call upon you to step to the podium say who you are and bring your comments or concern to that in an orderly fashion please I think you'll notice that when I sent you a list of the agenda there was public comment up at the top and there was always I also had put in their public comment down toward the bottom so that if people were here And wanted to speak on what we have been talking about. We still have that opportunity down at the end of the agenda.

Yeah, well, that's that's where I know it's often best in the middle of the topic for those problems to come forth because they may bring information that we might be unaware of. Or something like that, or a clarity to an issue, which is often important within that. I will say there is no requirement anywhere in any way shape or form that would obligate the city to have public comments. But we all know, I know that all of us feel very important to hear from the public and what they're wanting in open session. Also, because where 1 person brings questions, I know a lot of people have those same questions. And we want to make sure that we can answer those to the best of our ability. And in an orderly fashion, so I just kind of wanted to bring that up and kind of make a verification and make sure it was. Open meeting everybody could hear so that when someone calls up to city hall and says, I want on the agenda. Well, you're going to have to have a sponsor for that topic that you would have. So, and then also, like, on the agenda, we have council member closing comments. That's supposed to be council member closing comments, anything that somebody said during the public comment or anything like that that you say, hey, here's my thoughts about this. Can we put that on the next agenda or anything like that? That would be the time to say that any closing comments reminders of different things, clarifications for stuff. This would not be the time to bring up a new subject. Because any new topic should have been placed on the agenda ahead of time. So that other council members would have had the ability to. Investigate that same thing also. So that's kind of all within. This year, just in a more. Playing things so that we can have a smooth council meeting that. Hopefully carefully and expectantly don't last 5 hours. Which I know last time we had a lot of things on the agenda that covered some extra time within that, but. Any other questions on the agenda itself within everything. Okay. Um, with that, if I could get somebody to make a 10 minute executive session motion for non elected personnel for potential hires.

I'm going to get 10 minutes session, not like, uh, personnel or potential hires.

It's been moved to seconded all in favor. to return at 6.56.

Thank you.

Right.

It might work a little bit different as well. . . . .

And next thing you know, you've got all three of them there. Everybody's drinking wine.

Now I couldn't.

That's what I need to say. I'm just saying. I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to. I have to wait. Yeah, I mean, he's going to afford violence next year.

If we can't set them on fire, what are you going to do? Start them off. We have no fire. Drums? Drums?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a vestment with the lines, and then you're going to have gloves. You're going to raise your . I've heard of this before. When they were starting to fight, I didn't know . I'm not going to say it was good or bad. I'm just saying.

So that's one way that the . I mean, that's .

That's what we're talking about. The son didn't learn from the father.

And the crazy thing is, like, six months later, they call him Stanley.

And they're like, go do something. And then they're like, you know, like, each one of us had a hand. Yeah. Yeah.

. . . . Yeah, that's just more of a check on the moral of things.

That's more of a check on the moral of things. Make sure all the lawyers don't just come up. When you're in the room, please. Yeah, I'll ask you that. I guess you should. I guess you should. What? I guess you should. It's a conversation. That's why I'm critical.

Executive session ended resuming on waiting taken. If I could get a 10 minute executive session, not elected personnel for job performance to include Julie and the city attorney and deputy city clerk.

I'll make a motion for an executive session for non-elected job performance. Would you lead the city clerk and the attorney?

I second.

It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor? Returning at 7-7.

Try that. Try that. Bring it over.

International lines.

How did you manage that? one thing you know where you just can't stand yeah exactly on okay

That sounds about the same as changing the next life. What was that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. He buried this big bastard. He buried that thing. Of course, as soon as he tried to get out, he just dug further. He was just helping attack the drive. Huh? He was just helping attack the drive. Yeah, no doubt, right? He packed it really good. All the way down to the front. Oh, he didn't close. It was on the front. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. off the weekend and it's nine o'clock. I know that's good. I'm too tired.

Yeah. Yeah.

with you or just time no people sometimes yeah

there's a lot of them

Okay, so there's multiple water pictures.

How are you on TV? because the line for Wholesale 13 is out by the school gate. I thought that was two.

Where's 13? I thought it was right there by the gate.

That's the way it is. Oh, my two.

Oh, my two. Oh, my two. Oh, my two. Cheers. Cheers.

I don't know. That would be interesting to see, especially if she's on to.

Well, according to somebody who came and talked at one of the meetings, supposedly, Chu said that they cannot supply weapons anymore. Well, that's really rude of you.

Executive session ended no action taken resume normal meeting Mr.. Watts soccer filled updates from your side and I

So when you guys asked the last meeting, asked me to go out and check the water and everything, I did. Then curiosity got me. Look, see if there's a meter. Meter never got pulled from there and taken to the ball field. So there is still a meter there. I haven't turned the water on yet because I was by myself and that's just a bad idea. As far as putting plumbing in, it's minimal at best. It comes in the building, and there's a bathroom here, and that's pretty much it. So that wouldn't be a big deal. Don't look like anything's broken or ruptured just by looking at it. Building needs to be cleaned out. Electrical seems to be okay. It's got lighting in it. Probably needs to be updated, but it does have lights in it. Ceiling's not sagging or anything that I can see. Needs painted, obviously. Outside the building needs painted. Roof doesn't seem to leak. Other than that, it's not in bad shape. Doors are in decent shape-ish. It wouldn't hurt to replace them. over time, but they still function, they still shut, they still open, close, all that. The field is going to be the thing that takes the most effort. After they shut it down and they killed off the saddle club, People would still ride their horses and that's where they'd take them, let them graze and things like that. And then over the years, groundhogs, little digging critters, things like that, and then hay in it, it's left some pretty good ruts in it, but it's still doable. I mean, put some dirt in it, flatten that out, smooth it, whatever, till it, pack it back in. It wouldn't be in bad shape. It needs to be cleared off. There's tree overgrowth and whatnot, but... It's not in bad shape. It just needs to be worked over, maintained, and put back together.

So a minimal effort to get it back up and functional again? Yeah. Would you agree with that?

Yeah, so we're hoping to have it up and ready to go by spring season. Okay.

Sound good to the council on continuing on all that?

I would suggest strongly and highly recommend getting all of the county to make sure they don't pull that meter. I don't know what paperwork they got in the works or not. Maybe nothing. I don't know.

I think so, yeah.

I just don't want to lose a meter if it's there. It seems silly to me, but... Well, nothing's been done for years. So everything needs to be done as far as that goes. This being one of them. It's that simple. Really.

How many other projects you got going on?

About a million. I don't know. I haven't put it to actual numbers, but there's several of them that need to be done. I mean, case in point, I got, there's doors.

Let me rephrase that. How many projects have you completed?

Hmm. Don't know. Haven't counted.

Has the fish feeder been built yet?

No. No.

Do you realize that we have a grant that is the CFAP, and if we don't fill it, if we don't, I mean, since we didn't fill them this year, we're probably going to lose that grant.

How many times have they been filled this year?

None.

I haven't had time to do any of that.

So we lose that grant because we didn't get our fishes filled. I'm not sure what's going to happen because, I mean, I don't understand why we couldn't fill them. I don't understand why we couldn't have mowed the lakes out there for the people to fish on by the piers where they sit.

You want to address the pier mowing and so forth?

Hold on just a moment.

Yes, sir?

I don't see any reason to feed the fish if you can't fish in the big lakes anyway, especially this east lake out there.

At the West Lake, we were just out there and you can't even walk up there and you can't fish off the side.

I'm talking about the moss and all that. I know. The moss and stuff. Yes, sir.

As far as the overgrowth, I tried to actually go out there with our new machine for the fishing derby and I started mowing. I buried it twice and about stuck it in the lake because that machine is not adequate to do what we need to do. It does not have tracks, it doesn't have sustainability, and it cannot get a good footprint where we need it.

What did we do before we had that machine? How did we mow it?

With a skid steer, with tracks.

And then we need those too, probably. Has the pool been filled? The pool been filled?

Do I have a machine? I do not have a machine.

On the other side of the thing.

Parking lot?

Yeah, that's not a hole, it's a parking lot.

Do I have a machine?

No.

We never had one. We had a backhoe that we traded off to get a track hoe along with a roller.

Have you heard back on the skid skirt?

I have. Today, actually. So, it was a connection. Some sort of fitting that goes from the radiator to the depth system. I don't know what it is. They ordered a part. It was the wrong part. They sent it back. Reordered another one. Supposed to be here tomorrow and be fixed. I don't know. I did call about getting a loaner. And went through all that paperwork, including doing the email and all that. And that was supposed to have been here last week and never showed up. So, I don't know what happened with that. Nobody seems to know where that machine went. I couldn't tell you where it's at. I do not know. So, it was... As far as I know, we haven't been, or weren't supposed to be. It's supposed to be part of that warning, the extended warning. But it was coming someplace out of Missouri. I don't remember where the guy said, but it never showed up.

We're buying the line that we just sent down there, right? Yes. Okay, well, the reason I'm asking is because on the budget, when the new budget came out and he sent it to us, he said we were leasing it. It says leasing at the bottom.

Well, I know it's bad. The reason I haven't is because of weather and where it's at. That's the only reason. Because I've got a tree line right there and I can't set it on fire. I was actually going to do it the other day, but skits here said it wanted to go someplace else. So... I cleared out a big old chunk to burn and then the skid sear went and done what it done. So, and then we had all the water leaks and that didn't help anything either. So as soon as I get it back, I'd like to go out there and roast it. Today would have been a great day if I hadn't had a skid sear, which we should have, but I don't know where it's at. Oh, what do you guys want to do with fuel tank? or not with it, but about filling it and setting it up. Only thing I've got to do is wash the inside of it out. It's got about, I don't know, inch, inch and a half of goo in the bottom of it. It's liquidy, so it's not solidified, rusted, and nasty.

How much is, like, the gas per gallon?

Um... I give you guys the paperwork on it that I found out, I believe it was two months ago when I called them. It was $1.77 then, per gallon. I don't know what it is now. That's been a couple months ago.

So it's a discount as to what it would be at the pump?

I don't know what the discount would have been, yeah. Well, no, we was only going to have to pay $1.77 a gallon. So, I mean, significant. Yes. It will need a new handle. And in doing that would be wise to replace the hose because it laid on the ground for quite a while. So I'm going to assume that it's probably been ran over or something.

that would save on a lot of money and gas.

And are they not using the trailer to haul the mowers from here to the lakes and everywhere else? Because I've had people say that they're using the mowers and they're just driving it from here to where I am.

As of right now, yes. And the reason being is because our half ton is, it's kind of sort of dead.

What's wrong with it?

I don't know. I can't get it to run. Can't even get it to start at this point. Took it up to Chris and, do you remember what that bill was? Okay. It was, it was up there quite a ways. And I'm like, nah, we ain't spending no more. Cause we was going to have more wrapped up in trying to make it run versus getting anything fixed. So, which I told him about it at one point and then everything kind of went sideways. So it never got brought up again. And we just kind of done what we had to do. Um, Other trucks, if they're not available, I can't do anything about it. I can run the Ranger, but it's killing it with two mowers. I can put one on there far enough back, and it raises the back end of the Ranger up so it's not too bad. But if I put both of them on there, it crushes it. So then we're going to be buying springs or a new rear end.

So how long has it been since that truck's been broke?

That was last year when it happened. Back when the other council was in. And they were told about it, so don't think that they weren't.

We weren't. I had no idea that it was not running.

So at this point, what will we need to get it up and running then?

If it can. Like I said, I don't know what's wrong with it. It's got a lot of miles on it, but it's got a lot more idle miles on it. It's 2004'd. We put ether to it. We've checked it with ether in every orifice they said put into it. It ran fine when it was running. And then it just said, I'm done. I don't know if it's vacuum. I don't know if it's fuel. I don't know if it's got bad sensors. I don't know. Chris done everything he could think of to put on it and in it. Didn't fix anything. I'm starting to wonder if it may be the computer.

What was the estimate up there to get it fixed?

There was no estimate. It was troubleshooting, and then I don't remember what the price was, but it was getting high enough that I stopped him because I wasn't going to spend $1,000 on a truck that was going to need another $3,000 to work to fix it. I want to say it was like $500 or $600 that we had into it already. I was like, nah, we're not doing that. Because it was just a waste of money. well all three of the bigger trucks do so that's why if they're not available if they've got to go one way or another and like i said the ranger yeah i can use it but man it's terrible i mean you're talking the bumper is that far off the ground it's it's going to tear it up i'm only asking because if we decided to possibly look for a used truck or something it would be the white Yeah, because I mean in the wintertime if we're not using it for the mowers, which we wouldn't be, it could be used for whatever. If we can get something that's at least a three-quarter ton, then we could actually put the second spreader in it and... Never mind. Don't worry about that thought process. But we could put the second spreader in it and run it too.

I say let's get through the budget first and see where we're at and then readdress this for the truck.

You said that's a 2004?

F-150, yeah.

Yeah, it's the purple one.

It's maroon. His red rocket. It's maroon. It's a maroon Ford.

Do you have a CDL to drive the dump trucks?

Which one? The big ones? Not all of them. The white one is just standard. It's a one-ton truck. The other two, they both have air brakes. So technically, yes. He would be the guy to ask better questions about it on because there is a deal I found on the internet that says if it doesn't hit a certain weight class, air brakes are a feature of the truck and exempt from CDL requirements. I don't know if that's accurate or not. That's right. Linda truck.

Which is the old blue one.

It has air brakes. So technically, going by that, yes. I don't know what the gross vehicle weight is on it.

It's 24,000? So it's not a weight limit requirement for CDL?

Not until you put something on it.

Until you load it down, then it's heavier.

So the people that rent it, do they have to sign a paper saying that they're not allowed to drive it?

They're not allowed to touch it. So one of our employees, like John Maloney or anyone else who has a CDL, takes it over, drops it off, locks the doors, and brings the keys back. They are not allowed to drive our vehicles.

They tell us where it's going to be sitting. We put it there. And they do whatever they need to do.

So you went and got it from the mayor's church, right? Took it to his house, yeah. And took it to wherever it needs to go?

Brought it back here and dumped it, yes.

Brought it here at City Hall to dump it?

Yeah.

Okay, so the window truck this weekend was booked twice.

Yep.

It was booked at somebody's home, and then Mr. Watts went and picked it up, brought it, dumped it, and then took it to the mayor's church, and then parked it.

And what do you do with that stuff after you...

I believe that it's not dumped yet, is it?

What's that?

Blue, old blue. Okay. So as soon as it gets dumped, that gets loaded up and it goes.

Yeah. So does the city pay for that when you dump it at the landfill?

It does. No, it doesn't. We get billed for it and then it goes to, I believe, their water bill, doesn't it?

No, we call them up and then we let them know and they have to come in and pay.

And how much does it just go by weight? Yeah. What's...

When it's loads out of that thing, yeah, it goes by weight. Otherwise, like if you was to take Jack's truck down, it'd be so much for a pickup load. Because it, I mean, obviously not going to hit four ton. But something that big, yeah, they go by weight on it.

And where does that money go to once you guys collect it? What department does it go into? Does it go into, I don't have to check for you, but I believe General Motors.

I think that's it at the moment, sir.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Jeremy. All right.

Thanks.

Make a motion to recess.

Motion came for a 5 minute recess. It's been seconded all in favor. So moved. We'll be right back here at 7.34.

new codes, oh, what is it, codes?

Codes and court documents. And there's like three.

She's got 32 hours now. She can't have anything for my senior. And she's wanting to run the soccer. Yeah, I heard that.

Well, when I first moved here in 2000, it was Dixie Quarters.

That did that? Yeah. Because it was also Crystal and Crystal Dwayne's. I don't know.

See, this was in 2000. So that was Dixie. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

Oh, were they running? Saw a crocker? Oh! I don't remember them doing that. Yeah, Larry did.

And Crystal and her husband did it. And it seems like there was still somebody else.

I can't remember.

I thought it was Pinchy when it was like F and G. That's good. You know, it was a good thing for Kyle. Where are you working, Jane?

They don't hire many people. Oh, really?

So they can pay higher?

We have the same amount of average purchases. For less people?

Well, right now, we're about as low as we've ever been. What's that like?

So, yeah. So, in the truck thing, I was wrong. It goes into the streets revenue.

Yes. Okay.

You're welcome.

until she gets some strength back from doing the makeup.

I don't remember if she takes pills or doesn't, so I don't know. I'm over there with all the pills and all that. It was best not to have a lot of pills, just let them go. I know. Sunday, I was the only one at work. Sorry, I couldn't leave you. Take her pills. Put her pills in a little glass for her to take when she's done, and then you can make her coffee. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm thankful.

I am missing my tonight.

Okay, recess is ended.

Resuming meeting.

And we will go right into Chief Wisdom. We still have quorum present. We'll go right into with Chief Wisdom. Private Laundry Room, where are we on that? And what report do you have for us today?

I have not received anything back from some people that I've reached out to for electrical. I have been talking to some potential... plumbers about where if the fire department itself bought some of the stuff maybe we could cut that price down instead of the companies that are going to be doing the work and from the few people that i've talked to they said that they would be willing to do that if we was to like buy the grinder pump and buy the lines and stuff and that would cut down on the price quite a bit instead of them buying it and then up charging this or whatever so That's a potential that I'm looking at, but I still have not received anything back on from the electrical people that I've reached out to. So I'm gonna reach out to a couple others to see if maybe I can get them in here and figure out where the box is. One of the questions that was brought up was, is the breaker box that's in there is a full? Do we gotta put another breaker box in? Do we gotta do this? Do we gotta do that? And I wanna get an electrician in there to, make them decisions you know if we have a if there's space in the electrical boxes to where we can add breakers to and run the wiring and conduit and you know romex or whatever we want to run in there then that would save a little bit of money but if we have to do some kind of electrical box or something like that then there again we're adding more to the price But so far everybody that I've talked to is willing for, willing for the fire department to buy the stuff and then maybe they're doing the labor or something like that to cut the, cut the total cost down. So I really appreciate that.

Okay.

I was going to talk a little bit about the ISO anyways. The ISO is the Insurance Services Office or also called Public Protection Classification Act. What that is, is everybody that owns property, owns a house, owns a business in the city of Pleasanton, ISO uses these rating numbers to basically figure out how much to charge you for your insurance. The lower the number, the numbering system goes from one to 10. The lower the number, the cheaper your insurance rate's gonna be. So whenever we're doing all of these ISO things that we have to do to meet the plan that we have set up with them and they're doing their calculations and everything, we are doing our best to try to keep that number absolutely as low as possible. The city used to be at a 5. We are now in a 5R, which is a 5 retrogression. That means our ISO did not change whenever we failed the last ISO inspection. Whenever they come back in in October, we're hoping that we can have everything to where we can stay between a five and a six. That's my hope. But we won't know until they come in to do the classification to see where we pass on the ISO. With that being said, back on... July 25th, the fire department started at 6.30 in the morning. And I will tell you why we are starting these trainings earlier here in just a little bit. But we did a spot pressure check at the fire hydrants. at certain spots that ISO wants us to do around town. Now, prior to that week, after the last, um, council meeting, and then on Wednesday and then Saturday, I was in conversation with Josh Raleigh to make sure we're still okay to do what we're going to do. And, you know, I told, I explained to him what our plan was to be able to get things taken care of and everything was good. Um, whenever we got done, um, there was a couple of water leaks that was found. One of them was on Laurel Street. I had a person from the city, just a person from the city of Pleasanton driving by and said, there's a lot of water in the ditch on Laurel Street right out here. And in this intersection right out here at 17th and Laurel, The water had been there long enough that there were either tadpoles or minnows. I'm assuming they're tadpoles because my son, after we got done doing the hydrant stuff, was over there for like 30 minutes catching them and then letting them go and catch them again. That's how bored he was. But to say that that water had been leaking for quite a while because life doesn't happen that fast. The water leaks along Depot Street. I had a couple of people come to me later on and said that one person had said they had reported it to City Hall like two weeks prior. One person said that they had reported it one week prior. I did not have time to check with Morgan to see if they did or not. I'm just going off of what the people tell me. So with all that being said, there was some rumors that was brought to me that our ISO hydrant checking is what caused the water leaks. Unfortunately, that didn't cause them water leaks, but I do want to clarify some stuff. There is a procedure right here. I started off with this is how you open and close a fire hydrant and you can go to any one of my firefighters on that station over there and ask them and they will tell you whenever we start opening these things it is four seconds for one full turn of opening the fire hydrant and closing is the same way and what that does is that tries to eliminate as much water clash or Like if you shut it really fast, then it stops the water and things move. Also during this, while the fire hydrants are opening, the water is moving. The colder water is in the ground storage units moving into the lines. If you don't know, dirt moves all the time. Like I'm going to give an example of in your house, if you have a door that opens fine and then, you know, in the spring it opens fine, in the summer it drags when you open, that's the ground moving. So the ground is moving around these water lines all the time. Whenever they get cold and the ground's hot, then things move. That is a potential for a rupture in the water line. I was told the 60 or 65 foot section of line that was replaced on Depot Street had like 17 patches in a 60 foot section. So this, and I'm saying this not as a not to anybody, but that's probably how the rest of the water lines are in the town. You know, just patching it and not replacing a big section at one time. You know, we're just patching to move on so we don't have any issues. Unfortunately, the band-aids are starting to wear out and they're starting to fall off. So there's potentially going to be more water leaks. And I'm talking about the water department stuff because I understand if there's water leaks, I'm not going to open a fire hydrant if I absolutely do not have to because I am not going to run this town out of water. i have plans in place of hauling water i have plans in place of getting extra engines and setting them at whether it's the east lake or the west lake and start pumping water to trucks or if i've got to lay a thousand feet of four inch line out to pump water to take care of something in town you know i'm going to be tired whenever i pick it up but that's what i'm going to do because i'm not going to run the water system out of water I know that's a lot about the water system, but I just want you to know we are taking every precaution we can that we absolutely can do to protect what we have. And then hopefully in time, things will turn around and we can start fixing some of this stuff. And I know you guys have a lot of stuff to fix and there's no money to do it. So I'm trying to eliminate any other problems. An update on the SCBA that I was approved to get through Wisefire for like $7,700 or $7,800, whatever it was. They put that pack through testing and it did not pass, so they would not sell it to us. So that is off the table. They are reaching out to some refurbishing companies, but so far we haven't come up with anything. I've got a couple of other plans in the works, but I won't know anything for a while on them. Okay The we're starting these tests that we do for the ISO earlier in the day to eliminate You know, in the middle of the day or in the afternoon, it's really, really hot. Everything's already hot. So we're starting earlier, not just to help us, but to eliminate so much temperature transfer for when we open a hydrant and then the line gets cold and then it gets hot again, things like that. We're doing this earlier just to help protect what the city has so we're not creating other band-aids to come apart. um the only thing left on the iso plan that we submitted to the iso company is the water flushing and i am not doing that until josh is ready you know he had talked about at some point maybe flushing some hydrants to get rid of some of the darker water things like that whenever he's ready to do that I'm ready to stand right there when he starts flushing water and start measuring gallons per minute out of the hydrant and and the flushing procedure is gallons per minute out of the hydrant so we know what hydrants are are better hydrants than others because I can tell you some hydrants are really good in this town and some are not um Last Saturday, There was a few of us from the county and from City Fire that attended a funeral service for a retired firefighter. He had actually passed away back in April, but his wife, they lived in Oklahoma. His wife had the services last Saturday. There was myself and Josh and Renee Marshall went up as representatives of the city and of Linn County Fire, along with Luke Corrier with the Southeast Kansas Honor Guard. just to show respect for the time that he had put in as a firefighter. So we was up there. We still had plenty of people in town covering if something come up and everybody understands my plan of if we don't have to open a hydrant, we're not going to.

So... Wasn't he a firefighter for the city for a while?

He was on the city and on the county as well. I want to say six or seven years on the city and maybe about that time or maybe a little bit longer on the county as well. And that's all I have unless you have questions. It's just going to hurt. The plan that we have is the water situation is a total plan of, if I remember right, is 40 points total. The more we can complete and the higher that the numbers are for what we get completed, the more points we get out of a total of 40. But if we don't get it flushed and we don't get, you know, a couple of other things done, then that number drops and that just hurts us on what the total number at the end is. So, you know, the less things that we get completed, the higher the number potentially could go to. You know, I am really pushing this ISO thing because there are several... several homeowners and several business owners in this town that pay a lot of money in insurance already. I am doing everything I absolutely can to try to keep that rate from going higher, at least on the city side of things. Whatever the insurance company does is on them, but I'm trying to do my best, and this is very important to me and to the firefighters over there in what we're doing. because it affects a lot of people and it could potentially get to the point where they wouldn't even offer insurance.

Were you guys able to get those seals fixed?

Yes. Whenever we was doing the ones that we spot checked around town and they were on Main Street, they were at the south edge of town, they were at the north edge of town on the east and west sides. There was certain ones that we did. Any hydrant that we opened and closed, even for static pressures or... the pedometer which is how much pressure is coming out of it and they use a calculation to figure out how many gallons a minute that hydrant will actually send out whenever we are actually using it. We replaced all of the seals on the five inch caps and the two and a half inch caps. Does all your hydrants work? Some work better than others.

Because I know at one time there was a couple

You know, I will tell you, Josh has reached out to me today, and there was an issue with another hydrant, and he just let me know about it today. He just figured out that there was a problem with it today, so, you know, we actually tested a few of them, and some of them that weren't very good, I got in contact with him, and I said, hey, you know, these are not putting out very much water. Some of them are putting out a lot of water, so, you know, I'm trying to give him as much information as I have, so... he can potentially try to figure out a plan of what, if it's a hydrant issue, it's a valve issue, or if it's dirt or mud in line going to the hydrant.

Thank you so much for looking so hard on me.

Yes, I could not do this without all of the firefighters over there. We have volunteered lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of hours above and beyond to try to do the best for the city of Pleasanton.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Chief Snyder.

I screwed up on the date, but it's July 1st to July 31st. We've had 214 calls for service, 12 citations, 40 traffic stops, 21 fishing license checks, two drug cases, 10 cases or case reports, 17 call outs. We had one abuse call, one alarm call, five ambulance calls, six animal calls, two mutual aid calls, 29 area checks. One bailiff call for service. Should be two because of court. We did 10 citizens assists. We had two disturbance. We have, again, two drug cases that are being investigated. Two domestics. 13 follow-ups. One structure fire. Five juvenile incidences. Two mental illnesses. One protection order violation. One shoplifting. Two thefts. one stolen vehicle that's still being investigated, seven welfare checks, nine walk-in reports, two dog bites, three compliance checks, and one 911 open line. Really the only thing I have since I've been gone a week is thanking the Linn County Sheriff's Office for patrolling the city in my absence at that time. And then I'm sure you all have questions of your own since I watched the special meeting.

No.

Cartman has the dog right now. His last day was Saturday night.

No.

He already started his new job at the beginning of July.

Because he said that his last day would be August 1st, right?

Yep.

So did he get paid vacation?

He took those vacation that he had for three weeks. And then he also had some comp time and stuff like that.

When is the doc back?

I haven't called down there to set it up. I just got back today. Well, yesterday.

So on your calls for service, the ones that you just read, those aren't just what you've done in the last two weeks.

That's what I've done all month.

So this is all month?

Yep. Or I guess if you really want to be technical, since the 24th of July.

And then my other question would be out at the soccer fields, do you still have stuff in the storage shed out there that's evidence?

I would have to go look, but I don't believe so. I believe most of that stuff's either been returned or has been picked up by owners or businesses or stuff like that.

that shed is empty for them to start using it for software?

Yep.

Have you had any other applications?

I've had one other application. I haven't done a check on him yet to see if he would be able to and he is not certified.

Being Carpenter's not working for the city board and he's taking the dog home, are we still paying for his wages for the dog?

No, that would have ended when he put in his notice.

He just paid to take care of the animals.

Basically.

Was there a cage built

There was a run bought for him for that, not a cage actually being built.

And then was there something put in the car for him?

Nope.

And that digit ticket, when does that expire?

Digit ticket is a monthly thing. Since you brought it up, I was going to be a little bit more harsh than I planned on being. However, I did research.

So it's not $17,000.

It's just over $11,000, which is now going to go down and it's going to be $8,800 because I took one unit away. So it went from four to three. Now that Again if we would ask and we could talk about it without throwing out numbers Forty-five percent of that was paid by court cost Of that eleven thousand $677.

Is the court still paying for that?

Yep. Court isn't paying for it. Part of court cost is paying for it. So that is the money from court costs, not anything coming out of the budget.

So shouldn't it be in the court then instead of yours?

So I have part of it. Court has part of it. You moved court into my budget, which now you guys have talked about taking away. So it would be split. So my part would be $4,400. Court would be $4,400 and some change. So if we were to take what in 2025 we paid from court costs... that would only leave about $3,800 left that would come out of our pocket.

So I guess I'm trying to understand what exactly is the need for this, that you can't just want a written ticket.

So DigiTicket is electronic. I don't have to look down in my lap and write a ticket. I get to work on a computer and continue looking at the car. So partially it's an officer safety issue. Court, whoever's doing court, doesn't have to read a handwritten ticket and try to understand it. It allows us to more quickly get it to them instead of them asking us for citations that we might be keeping in a log book or something like that. And for the court side of things, Digiticket took them from spending an entire week and putting in handwritten tickets to about an hour. If you want to take Digiticket away, then you might as well hire her full time if she's still here. Okay, you might as well hire her full time because a full week, give or take how many tickets is gonna be up to that.

I think what we're looking at, Tristan, is the budget. We're trying to figure out what we are going to do. Okay.

However, I've already covered all that. You're not going to save $8,000 and spend it somewhere else the way it's sitting. I would like to keep my department as modernized as possible, especially when that's the only thing that I have that people I recruit would like to have. We're the lowest paid.

Well, you have your Axon cameras, which are pretty expensive. Yeah. I think that's a safety...

I understand that.

There's no safety there.

I understand that, but you're talking about something that's benefiting the entire city and is saving you money anyway. If you pay 40 hours for someone to handwrite, put in handwritten tickets, you're spending about $678, give or take, at $18.50 an hour every two weeks.

But they put it in the computer, right? They don't sit there and handwrite.

No, they have to take our handwritten ticket, look at all the information, names, date of birth, race, what the violation is, whatever all that information has, and they have to put it in there step by step.

And if you go with handwritten tickets like that, you increase the level of error that can come up from handwriting and everything else. You would also be taking the department and backgrading them. down from the year that we're in. And for cost-wise, the cost of somebody inputting it all, the cost of having it, it's going to be far less errors for the cost of just having it.

You're looking at $8,800 where half, if not more, of that is covered by court costs to $12,000 and having somebody do it by hand. That's a rough guess on what that would be.

And then we have to buy the ticket books too, don't we?

But she would buy them all the time at the county. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. What did you say, Sandy? I said the county buys them all the time.

Yeah, but we don't have to be just like the county.

But we get them at the Lane County News.

So did we when we bought them.

I've never heard the girls at district court say anything Complain about not being able to read it.

I'm just telling you the benefit of it.

So you paid every six months. So did we just pay it? Yep. In July or what month did we just pay it?

This month.

July. So another six months in December, when it comes up, we can either vote to keep it or vote to not keep it. Right? Right.

I mean, you can do whatever you want. I would highly advise against it, but you do what you want. You're the council.

I do have a question. Like what Chief Whitson was talking about as far as insurance rates and stuff, was it with the ISO and everything? I understand that doesn't hold over to you guys, but let's switch off. I have no idea.

I would have to call an insurance company and see if that would have anything to do with that.

Some insurances don't even recognize ISO.

DigiTicket also allows me to write a ticket in six minutes versus almost 15 minutes by hand. So it gets me off the side of the road quicker. And considering traffic stops are one of the most dangerous aspects for law enforcement, getting off the side of the road quicker is important. But like I said, in six months, you guys are the counsel, you do what you want with it. Kenny you brought up the budget and what one of them said for this 372 691 so Partially my fault poor poor writing, but that does not include benefits or court I Understand I said poor writing on my point my part I I get that. And again, I'm just letting you know, that doesn't include. So it's, I honestly don't know how I'm going to get down to 372. No. Again, my poor writing. The budget with chief on salary should have been with benefits and court removed from my budget. instead of and. So again, my poor writing. I've made one. I'll give it to the mayor who can get it to you. I got it down to 403. And that's with benefits, court removed, no dog, or anything like that. Three. Including me.

So, the other thing, whenever you said, like, 4 officers, that was including you, right?

Yep. Okay.

You had 1, I don't know if it's I think it was if I think Sandy was correct. It was like, 408 when we brought that up. But yes, there was 1 that. That was. lowest that i could get it so now with court coming out and stuff like that there's a little bit more room but i would like to put it out there i ended my budget last year spending 431 000 with three officers including me So you're making it really tight at $403,000.

When Lacing does it, they have a police team, two full-time officers, two part-time officers, $335,000 a year.

Yeah, I don't think that's correct, but if that's what the budget says, that's what the budget says. Okay, that's fine.

This is what Jody sent over to us.

I understand that, but they have four officers. There's no way they're doing 355. But, of course, that doesn't include their core insurance benefits or any of that either. Oh, and I did take it down from the cars that I have insured at the moment to three cars. So that lowered it a little bit as well.

Before moving on, I wanted to say that we did find out that the Linda Truck money that comes in for that goes into the Streets Revenue Fund. Since that question came up all ago.

Goes where?

Into the Streets Revenue Fund. The Linda truck, it was asked about whenever they do pay for that, it has to go down. Where does the money go? It goes into the. Streets revenue fund, that's what they found out.

Do what?

Yeah, that wouldn't be on there since that's an expense report expenditures report. Uh, the new housing edition, y'all had the. Agreement that BG consultants put in for that. He sent an email an explanation of some of that too that I gave to you all kind of what he was anticipating regarding that. It just depends on how much comes back and how many times it has to be looked at again within anything. He's anticipating it only being about 500 dollars to prepare the. Estimates of what it would take for water sewer and getting to that new housing addition that's been proposed to be built there and. Anticipated reviewing the subdivisions proposed connection and providing an initial review of approximately 1000 dollars subsequent reviews for changes to the development design, which often happens will be additional depending on the level of detail. The developer provides and the number of changes they propose. Does I anticipate about 500 dollars to prepare cost estimates for improvements to the water sewer system that might be needed if not needed this price is not incurred. I anticipate $3 to $750 for any meetings that might be needed with the council or the developer to discuss the project, plan proposals, infrastructures, et cetera. The contract, of course, is proposed hourly agreement not to exceed the $5,000 because of the numerous unknowns and the variability in the levels of service that might be needed. If the developer has good information and all is easily serviced, the fee might only be the total of the $500 initially Given depending on how much assistance the city needs from our team, the fee goes up from there. So that's the explanation of that. The 5000 cap for the project is kind of customary. For me to consultants in itself, but he's estimated 500.

I'm all for the challenge Roman, but. We, we can't even get our water and our sewer with you. I don't know if any of you guys been out there, but it's running off the back. Into a field. So we need to fix what we got before we go and... It's not running. It ain't running off now? It was running off. No. Or you can call them.

Yeah.

But we need to fix what we got before we start adding more trouble to our plate.

Thank you.

You know, I agree with that statement. Because in fact, you know, we don't even know what capacity we can supply our citizens right now with everything that's going on with our water. All the infrastructure falling around, falling down around us. That's probably, although I agree with it 100%, I don't agree with this because of the fact that we don't, there's too many unknowns right now.

I'll let them know that we're not pulling that route at the moment. I'll let Hickey's know also. Okay, you have the final pull reports for BG. And he addresses the mechanical factor, uh, domestic water supply, water for the building, the roof. Sidewalk rating and exterior compliance. building structure, pool plumbing, pool equipment, pool basin, shallow pool area, deck drain sites, and just gave all notes within all of that so that the council could have all of that.

We get copies of that, please.

You want copies of it right now? Yeah. Okay. Because it was within what was in

And do you have copies of the connection to water for the 13-2 as well? Because it's not in here.

No, it was emailed in the packet that you got. I usually don't print those things off to conserve paper.

What about this right here? For water 13?

What?

It's like the water. Yeah. You don't have the connection? No.

Yeah, I think so.

Let's meet over there.

And as mentioned earlier, connecting in to our waterline system to post off 13 is running about a mile. That's 605,000 dollars. Total costs project costs, including one of my construction control about building design, engineering and construction administration.

So they're saying the overall cost for the pool would be 1.5 million to 3 million to fix everything and get it where it needs to be.

Yeah, anticipated projected cost on the pool, 1.5 million to 3 million.

Can help us get grants for our home.

It must be looked at.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of great for like, for like, the city because it is for the kids. Yeah. So there's a lot of great there is.

I mean, even with grants, when you're talking about 1.5 to 3Million, there's still a percentage of the city would have to pay for that. Within everything that's she's falling apart.

Yeah, and I hate to bring the. I just want to bring this up with the pool. But with us losing this much water, just to have it turned on, with our current water issues as it is, I feel that this is a neglect and waste if we continue to have the pool open.

So, you guys can yell at me all you want, I don't care. We've been using a lot of water and the chemicals that Josh has been using and the chemicals he used at the pool, they're pretty much different. So it's been changing like the color. So I fixed from now this water size we're getting water, because it was getting water from the city water. And I switched it over to like, and I hooked it up to the pump for the pool. And then since we, Aya did that, she'd been shutting off like the main water valve. so then they wouldn't be using their water. And we have a port-a-potty there, so if they've got to go to the bathroom, there is a bathroom. But I didn't do that, and I'm not charging a city. I did it for free. Well, IBS can yell at me all I want. I don't care. But I just want my kids to know that it's

I'm not yelling at you. I'm going to thank you very much because the kids are going to enjoy it.

So the water that runs from down the slides and everything is now circulated through the pool instead of fresh water being added or incompatible with sitting water to pool water.

Thank you.

So the waste has not been there for the past couple weeks now since that water has been being shut off. We had a port-a-potting put out there for that cost too. That way there is bathroom, there is Not that's excessive water. And even before that, we had only the water on during open hours for some of that time. So that they would have water when they needed it. So, if they do need water in the sink or anything like that, it can be turned on momentarily using the turn back off. So there's not that excessive waste.

Alex again, I thank you for that. However, Mary, it would have been nice to have been sent an email letting us know what all was going on so that we're not sitting here in the dark. so that when people ask us, we have answers. So I would hope in the future that maybe we can start communicating them a little better so that the council knows what's going on.

Okay.

Yes, Alex, thank you so much for doing that for the kids. Yes, thank you, Alex.

It's just been turning a lot green in two minutes. Now, it's back to blue, which we've been working our butt off, but also this really needs to be... I mean, it's an issue because it's a leak, and also we're having to use city water that has a leak, and we can leave it off. We're not going to use it anymore.

Do you think that it's draining underneath?

Yeah, so it is definitely draining underneath the building. So whenever you first turn the water off and the pump has sucked everything out, that pit there will drain out and empty with the water off. And when the water is turned back on, it takes about an hour and a half before water starts filling that area again and it comes from underneath the building.

So if we know it's leaking underneath, we know that it's washing the dirt somewhere and eventually that's going to collapse.

Definitely.

And so the safety of our children as well, we need to think about.

And I was just in the bathroom, like there at the pool, and I could hear a noise and it was coming about where the sinks are. It's about where I can hear a major water leak. So, I mean, it could be just, I could be hearing things, but it's somewhere in that area.

And that's all brick. I mean, you'd have to tear the brick down in order to get to the line, probably.

And then if you shut the valve off, because, like, the two-inch line comes into the pump room that comes from the water heater, and it comes up, and then the inch-and-a-half line comes back down, and then it goes to the bathroom underground. And so if you shut that valve off, and then you wait a second, and you turn it back on, it goes... So it's a big loop.

Are we noticing any cracking in the pool or on the sidewalk? Anything to indicate anything?

I mean, I think what's saving us right now is just that pump. But I mean, what was saving us was, I mean, that there's a sump pump in that hole getting it out of there. I mean, I think if there wasn't a pump, I think we'd running into water issues coming up.

So one of the questions that I had was right now there is no hot water running under the floors and all the things. The hot water breaks off, goes through tankless water heaters and up through the ceiling. Could we not just detach the under piping and run new piping next to that hot water to everything?

The only problem is all your toilets and your urinals are all commercial grade. So they all have like the commercial flush valves. So for us to do that, I mean, we can change it to all residential stuff to where you can just have half-inch pets run into your toilet and all that. Right now, it's ancient port copper running through your urinals and into the toilets because that's what it takes to run them.

So what would be the difference between doing the larger pipe run-through versus changing out the toilets to residential, cost-wise?

I mean, it'd be nice if there was like, most bathrooms that are in schools and everything, they have like a chase. This one does not. When they built that concrete wall, they set the water line in there and then they just kept stacking. So there's no way to run that water line to the pump room where everything's at. But yeah.

And that's not gonna fix the hole that's probably underneath there from the washing.

But it would prevent from any more washing.

And provide water. I've been trying to figure out solutions, but it's been hard.

Yeah. I mean, that would be a potential solution, though, right? To just switch the toilets and all to residential tile. And get everything up above, not underneath, and get us away from flushing any more out or wasting water.

They just have to drill through the center block and just run it up.

But the season's almost over, so why should we?

What I'm saying is for next year, we're going to have to do something to have water in there. That's a big concern.

We'll have to address it before the poll opens.

So if I can borrow from Ms. Sullivan's words, planning for something for next year starts this year.

Depending on what we find also with these grants, it may totally change the whole thing. So I think we're going ahead.

So we should look at both options and see what way we can do forward. In the pool also, I've had several people ask me because on numerous occasions someone has said, well, the pool is all we have. Both lakes used to be swimming lakes, and now the No Wake East Lake used to be a wake lake. What changed that? What caused that? And why can we not swim in our lakes currently? Because that would be something inviting and something for people to do also. I didn't know what the history behind that is or anything else. Does any of you all know?

I mean, I know when I was a kid, there was the like swimming beach there at the West Lake that was on.

This side, the sand is still there. It would need a better fixing and reeds pulled up and so forth.

And you don't want to come out so far because they have the things up.

Yeah, because you could put a buoy line out there.

Plus there was a sign that was there that gave a whole list.

Yeah, I mean that's what they do at a lot of other lakes.

Yeah, I mean...

So, I mean, it is something that, I mean, I don't understand why it turned into what it is now where no one can swim at all, but that might be something that we want to look into and consider on reopening that for swimming in some aspects or another. So consider that, think about it and see if we want to do anything with it. Internet Solutions, I did contact them. Finally heard back from Mr. Hancock and he is supposed to get me information regarding what it would be to help us find a city clerk and or train a city clerk. Within that, as soon as he gives me that information, he told me anticipated them tomorrow. I will forward that on to you. Well, she'll have that information. Most definitely.

I do have a question with the. I've been sitting here reading this. I read it before in the email everything. Okay, and at no point in here, except for where it says. On the second page, was it a new emergency connection to the city of Pleasanton? Does it say that it's only a backup supply?

Yes, it is only a secondary supply to the city. They don't have a long line.

I know, but it's not written here. That's what I'm looking at. Because emergency could be considered as just looking up an emergency.

So key points in here is potential of adding a new emergency connection for the City of Pleasanton. It is also our understanding that the City of Pleasanton has a six inch line that terminates near the intersection of 950th and Thomas Road that they would like to connect to Wholesale 13 system. It is also our understanding that the City would want to take 250 to 300 gallons per minute when they need, when they needed water. based on that information we evaluate the potential impact of this connection to also 13 being allowed and the infrastructure that would be required to make it work the current hydro the current hydraulic model of also 13 indicates that the district could supply 250 300 gallons of Per minute of water to the city of Pleasanton at this location with the residential pressure of 90 PSI without negatively impacting the pressure at any of the existing customers to make this connection work would require a connection to existing 10 inch water line near the intersection of 850th road and Thomas road, approximately 1 mile of new 6 inch water line and a control valve building below are the estimate project cost of the infrastructure that would be necessary to complete this connection. So within the wording here, it's just the when they needed it.

Emergency connection.

Yeah. So if they're calling it an emergency connection versus an emergency connection can be taken either way. But the phrase when they needed water would denote temporary.

until they did an upgrade to their water plant.

Yeah, now at such point that they did the upgrade that they're talking about to their water plant and could actually support us on a regular basis, then they would probably be willing at that time to reevaluate that connection. Is Josh still here? No. John, do you happen to know what our water pressure in our system lines is? I don't know. Thank you, sir.

When did you say you contacted the internal solutions?

I contacted them 3 times. They finally got back with me today.

And then they said they'll get you some information.

They're supposed to give me information tomorrow.

And then they'll send it right out.

And then I'll send it right out as soon as I get that. Okay. Try to get as much of that information to the council as soon as possible. The Gabrini car show, that was tabled to this meeting. They were going to get a chance to go by. 6 street park area and look at that and see how we are for approving that for October 31st and wanting to do the burnout.

I know the car shows that he has done in other cities bringing a lot of people and having that burn out is one of his biggest attractions. So I would say allow him to do it in my opinion.

Because he mentioned about making sure there were safety walls and things in place for the proper safety of it. which I appreciated greatly. I've participated and been at some car shows hosting where somebody spun around while doing the burnouts and they were immediately disqualified. That endangers the whole crowd, but I know that Mr. Garuni tries to keep things safe and I enjoyed him wanting to make sure that he set it up for that. So is that a yes from him on that? Okay. Yes, please.

I make a motion to approve green car show and allow.

Okay, it's been moved and seconded to allow the green car show with the burnout at Sixth Street Park on the 31st of October. Any discussion? All in favor? So moved.

Lake Dredgen. As per the Mayor's request, I reached out to Water Wizard Solutions. and talked with Cal, the owner, and he referred me to a company called iDredge. And what iDredge will come in and do, they will come in and dredge any area that we need, you know, around the dam, around the intakes, or dredge the lake. Their request is to have a mapping of the sediment done before they do any of that. And I gave you guys all the information prior. So it has the hydrographic survey bid, I believe it was like $10,500 for them to do like 10 acres. And eye mapping, that worked for me. They come highly recommended. They work all over the United States. As far as eye dredge, until they hit the mapping of the lake, they can't give us an accurate bid, because they don't know how much the lake's going to get dredged, or is needed to be dredged. 10 acres only is $6,500.

done every, it's either two or four years, I thought. Do we know when the last time that was done?

I'm not sure dredging is... I don't think that dredging itself has ever been done. I do know that in controlling some of that moss growth, etc., they have used certain chemicals in the past. Some of those have become unacceptable by water regulations and so forth. But as far as dredging, I'm not sure that's ever been done.

John, do you remember when...

project and something to consider along the way on that.

Do you know how big that lake is? Excuse me? Do you know how big the lake is? It's 127 acres.

But it has what, 15, 20% overgrowth at the moment?

It's almost 18% now. It's getting worse by the year. Especially that far east on it. Far east side, far east south side, and both south sides are horrible.

So if we reopen swimming, one of the things they could do is when people go in, they would bring the moss back out with them. We'll have less problems in that area. We're going to have a city-wide swim day out at the East Lake. Everybody please bring as much of the moss out as you can. We're going to come out looking like swamp fam. Oh wait, that says my age. Never mind. So we want to contemplate that more, or how much is the mapping?

I think we ought to leave it until we figure out what's going on with the other bids with the lake and the pumps and all that. And we should put it together.

Okay.

And figure out our budget.

Because knowing some of that's in that and getting that portion.

Everybody's got all that information, so it should be over here.

Okay, and I just have cellulite dam repairs tabled until we figure out the budget, and I'm just leaving it on here so that it's before us still. That's when information comes. Roads.

Everybody knows our roads are horrible, so I took the initiative and reached out to several road construction companies and got reached back by two out of the four. One of them actually does all the roads over Mount City. Anybody been to Mount City to see how lovely those roads are?

And I looked at the ones he gave us. Sorry, my mic is probably dying. I looked at what he gave us, and I went to the... Thanks. How do you say it? Kilo? Kilo. And I would recommend... to start the streets and taking the $61,400 out of the special street improvements. And then I would like to take some more money out of the $870,000 for doing some more streets. That's what I would like to do.

And how much streets does this cover?

The $61,000, when you take it out of the $224,000, that will cover 10 blocks. And then if you take the street funds for the 1% sales tax that we have, if we do 30 blocks out of it, that will take some of the money down, too. But we've got to start on our streets. So I would recommend to do the $61,400 out of the street, the special street .

Jeremy, could you come up here, please? OK. So you're saying that it covers how many blocks? Ten. Ten blocks?

Mm-hmm.

That's what, yeah. This says Pine Street 6th to 9th.

It's $15,000 a block, roughly, is what he added.

And then I would suggest to take that money out of the special street improvement, because I mean, it's just sitting there. So we need to do our streets at the $224,748. And then in our street funds, it's 100% sales tax. I think we should do some more plots and take money out there and do that, too, and hire these guys.

Did you see what it's not including? Did you read all those?

What's not included would be like replacement culverts that need to be replaced, which are on Pine Street alone. I've seen a couple of them that need to be cleaned out, basically. There's going to be some gravel that needs to be added in because in some areas the asphalt's going to be about three or four inches tall. after they've put on their wedge and whatnot. But for the most part, just watershed. That's what he was looking at, just trying to get the watershed done.

Because, for example, base rock. So when they do tear up any road, if they need base rock, like you said, we'll have to add that.

Well, discussion with him is that there's not going to be any tear-offs on our roads. Okay. And I drove them through every road in town. So a lot of the stuff that he discussed with me was that go through, they would patch the holes that are there, you know, and fill those in and then they'd come back and put an overlay right on top of it.

Okay. My question is, is how much money would you save if we patched all the potholes before they came through and did it?

Personally, I'd rather have them do it because they're going to do it with a hot patch and they're going to reuse a roller that we don't have.

well we did just get a roller for our skid steer to help pack things down um the reason i say this is because you know obviously i know that the the one percent is for this, don't get me wrong, but how much money could we actually save if we did a lot of the prep work before they came through?

And it would be a way to have you reach out with Tim and talk to Tim and say, okay, we're going to do X road to this road to this road to this road. What do you need from us to get you ready to come here? And that's obviously going to save the city money in the long run. The less they got, and the way that Jed explained it to me, the less they've got to do is the less that we have to pay, which could go to another road.

Exactly. So another one on here is moving utilities. So if they do an overlay, any sewer manhole, they'll have to be raised because if you taper them, water's going to sit there and everything else. Obviously ditch work wouldn't be on them that's on us which we need a lot of ditch work around here I Just that that was my my biggest concern was There's there's a lot of prep work involved with even overlaying

When I talked to him, he said he wouldn't be able to start until probably October if the council approved it. So we'd have between now, you know, just determine which roads we want to tackle, whole nine yards, between now and October to have the prep and resume. So it's not like, okay, they're going to come in tomorrow, can you get it done? You're going to have a month or two, you know, prep beforehand, so...

And that's another thing that I wanted to kind of bring to the attention was I'm one person.

And there's public works. Because according to the city employee handbook, there is not one person that's a department head. You all work for the city. And that's the handbook that all the employees signed.

You'll have to because I've got to grab the truck.

I've got it right here. You want a copy?

Well, and I'm not disagreeing by any means, but for example, Josh, he's constantly busy with water. That's an exemption because... John is always busy either helping with water or dealing with sewer or, for example, he's got the CDL if we need rock or something like that. He's always busy hauling it. Jimmy... Jimmy's constantly got his plate full with the mowing, the lakes, the parks. My only thing is... In order to get a lot more work done around here that I would like to see done, I need another person, at least.

And we're still looking to hire one more person right now for public works and replacements. So that is coming.

Okay.

Help's on the way.

But yeah, my biggest thing is... How much can we save by doing our prep work, our portion of the prep work, before they come out here?

That's why I said he would reach out to you and tell you what he would request of you to get done before they show up, and that's the way it should be. That way, like I said, you'll have ample time to do it because I just would like to see Everything's been put on hold for an asinine amount of time and it's ridiculous. I, for one, am tired of getting my ass chewed out on these roads.

Because every time you, I mean, it's not just you, it's, and I'm just going to say, it's me, it's all of us saying, why aren't you starting your roads? You said your roads are going to be done. We have to start somewhere. So, I understand that one person might have said, we said, what help's coming? Just give us a chance. No, yeah, I understand that. But we've got to start somewhere. And I agree that if you guys can do the prep work before they come, that's amazing. But we have to start somewhere. Because we can't just say, okay, well, we have this on the table. Well, you guys said none in the other council, meaning we didn't get nothing done. I mean, that's what I hear anyways. I don't know about anybody else, but we have to do something. We have got to start doing something.

No, I agree that something needs to be done, but at the same token, I have had my hands full since I got here trying to get everything caught up. For example, uh, cookies. I know that that's been a ongoing project and, um, I had to leave for two weeks for the National Guard, and so that put it on hold even longer. Before I left, I was busting my tail so hard that I ended up having to go to the hospital at one point, which was not fun. uh, just that the amount of projects that get thrown on it, it, first of all, can be overwhelming when you have 10 people saying, Hey, I need this, I need this, I need this. And you want to get this and this and this done. So, um, it's just, it's a hassle because, uh, I'd like to see roads get better too, by any means. That's my number one goal. But when I have other projects thrown on me that obviously need to be done as well, but the ADA parking, the ADA ramp, cookies, and then we have emergency situations like water main breaks that just come up out of the books. Nobody can predict those, but... My point is, it takes time. It really does. And I'm trying my best to show some sort of progress. At this point, I'm playing catch up still. So progress is slow because... I can only move as fast as I can trying to play catch up before I can start making more improvements. Is there any questions?

So what's your priorities? Which project are you doing right now that takes priority over the time?

Right now I'm trying to finish the, well, I just recently got everything back to normal from getting back, getting the water main done. I'm gonna start back up on the cookies culvert project and try to knock that out as fast as I can because right now their parking lot's half done. They're worried about any kind of heavy rainfall that their house might flood, and I don't want that for them. I don't want that for anybody. It's supposed to happen later this week. Yeah, so I'm trying to get on that as soon as I can, which should be first thing tomorrow.

So I had a question here for the council on this. So it says right here for pine street 6 to 9 and you were, you were saying, you know, do more than just this on that, which I am absolutely for. We need to get our streets going. Is there any reason we're not going from like.

4th tonight because pine street only runs through the street there. Yes. Right. And if you go over and you look at all the roads in that whole area, most of the east and west roads look pretty decent. Those would just be like one inch and a half overlay. Whereas the north and south roads are so ate up and tore up and everything that they're going to need a full on, you know, two and a half, three inches. And some spots, four.

What's the street that you live on? Me? Yeah. Sixth and Long. Seventh and Long.

Seventh and Long. And that road is horrible.

It is.

There's a lot of horrible streets. But if we're going to be able to do for like four-ish blocks at 60,000, how much do we want to put into this and have them start working on and doing? And if we're going to do like Pine Street, right there in Pine Street, Pine Street ends down there at 9th, but it starts at 4th. Can we cross 6th and go all the way? That way that... And the way that they describe it to me is that we can go from this section to another section.

They don't have a problem.

So, I know that Taylor before... Michael, what? I was going to say something. When we start working on them roads, I think it'd be wise to put a new sewer line or water line wherever they're at, close. Put new right there. So, if we have a problem, we don't have to dig the road up. We can just connect right there on both sides of the road. That is actually... idea is the idea is great in the future i mean we gotta think about our future we can't think about right now in the future it would be very very handy for the city itself and our people around here so we don't have to worry about these roads being all tore up but does the funds allow us to

Not that section of it.

The roads itself and ditches could be covered there, but the actual drains and infrastructure underneath aren't.

Now the special street fund improvement will allow that, because that's the old 1995 1% sales tax.