Planning Board - Regular Meeting

a special use to be granted when they provide required parking on a lot other than your option. I don't know. I'm just asking the question. We have that hand [Music] waves. Yes. for your soul.

This one such I know that That's how I answered the phone today. I said good morning and it was 12:30. But it's not. Okay. And then we will probably go over this.

And then it's even more detailed. Sorry. Okay. Sorry.

And then second photos and Okay. [Music] in the house now we use

our city clerk Sylvia is Lisa down respect okay thank you very much doesn't help right now back Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can bring it in tomorrow. Hello. How are you? Have a good summer. The bank. Are you guys both just like so pumped for next week? One of the things I would have liked I don't know. I mean, it's almost like the summer retirement.

Maybe it's not it's not been bad. So when school starts though, it's not only will it be school, but it's all the extracurricular in the evening. So I think it'll actually get busier in a way. Yeah. How old are your kids? Um 10 and two. Seven. So grade two and grade five. And they're playing hockey this year. So that's going to be your whole life. Yeah. I was a hockey kid. My mom was like didn't want me to. And then now as an adult, I understand why she was hesitant to let me started before. Like I played on pink but we we were never as competitive like it wasn't it wasn't like it is now. Yeah. It's all crazy now.

So we'll see. We'll do a yearly free time. So no travel and then ice. So it is by Thursday until we can hold the pre meeting Zoom is operational. Yeah, we're operational. So we do have two applications today on the agenda. If you can help run us through

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the first one. Um so the first one is uh kind of a repeat. It's 25-05 for a plan review. Um it's a continuation in the sketch review at 15 Hamilton Street development which is um three measures to construct uh three new town home duplexes um which would add to the existing um structure on site that's being that's currently being converted to a town home. Um and the board had um some additional requests last meeting that they wanted to just see um updates to. Um the the most notable um detail was the difference was the revised um drainage. Um so site contours and drainage as well as um how the drainage could fit with or without a proposed sidewalk along the northern portion of Hamilton Street uh across the property frontage. Um, so the applicant has pro provided a proposed sidewalk, has updated the grading and there are now two um proposed areas in the front yard that appear to be um essentially catchment basins. um and where those two air areas are located. Um it appears at least on the western side that that one overlaps the property boundary a little bit. Um and then there have been some updates to

best management practices for um erosion control and and staging. Um and um I noticed that the erosion control fence appears to be across the property line as well. Um we do have a um a staff report provided. Um there is still a draft resolution to classify um the project to provide a secret classification and deem the application complete so it can move forward to the detailed the stage. Um, no public hearing was scheduled for this evening because we're still in the the sket

for the 15 Hamilton Street. Yeah. That way.

Um, it h it was communicated through the minutes and last planning board meeting. There was no vote completed and a request for additional um details so that the planning board could prepare the sidewalk in drainage um to determine their preference moving forward. Um and additional requests were made for the applicant to coordinate with DPW on um water. Did you hear from EVW lesson to that meeting or um CTW did provide additional um comments um and those are included in the staff report. Um they say that it's recommended that the sewer connection of the roadway be made into the existing manhole instead of into the main line just east of the manhole and that it's recommended that the applicant show proposed water shut off on the service line between the edge of pavement and property line as well as recommendation that the applicant added water service connection detail on page 505 which is the detail sheet. Um, so somewhat minimal comments, but still important. Um, and I'm not positive if the active link did make connection with DPW, but it was my understanding that the applicant did reach out. Um, and then I also um reached out to the environmental services team to confirm whether or not there would be issues related to combined sewer overflow. Um, and additional calculations would be needed for that. Um, and there is no concern.

So, I've got that included in the comment as well. Thank you.

You're welcome. Um, so if there's no questions for that, we can move on to question. You mentioned they've I see the sidewalk on these, but you mentioned they also were doing something for some sort of planting. Um it's recommended um that if they're providing the drainage basins, yeah, that they also propose vegetating that with appropriate vegetation that could be resistant to dry and wet periods.

Okay. similar to the last uh site plan reat. Yes. Okay. Thank you. And the drainage basins are you said one of them you think goes over. It does appear that it goes slightly. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. You can go on. No.

Are you all ready to move to the next? Yeah. Did you um in your review this this um this did not fall under a type two action?

It's recommended that this is an unlisted action because it would be three principal structures on those AA. Do I have another set of those 11 by 17s for that project? 11 by Yeah. Not the not the huge one that was not here last week.

Yeah. Thank you very much. Any other questions on this? We do have time. So, we can always come back to anything. Yeah, I think I got two. Sorry, I got two copies of it. There's two. Okay. Okay. I think we're good.

All right. Great. Um so the next um the next item on the agenda is 25-02 um for 63 Broad Street which is essentially the Platsburg House of Prayer. Um this is a site plan review um in the sketch review phase. Um, and the request is to construct a singlestory addition of approximately 3,679 square ft to an existing 10,178 square foot building that is current currently used as that house warship. And the proposal also included includes associated modifications to the parking and open space. Um, this is from the R2 zone district. Um we'll have the preparer um and owner applicant with us. Owner applicant is Jesse Brooks of the Champ Valley Center aka Platburg House and then plan for will be Brooks Wash Washburn, excuse me, um with Lebell and Associates. And um the there is a draft resolution done for this so that the planning board if they deem fit can um consider the application complete uh provide a seed classification which is re recommended as a loop and then approve it to move to the detailed um design phase. Um there is a staff report associated with this and an early copy of the

checklist from a an April review and that's much earlier review um that has said these revised plans. Um there are minimal department review comments that were provided but the most and with the most substantial being from DPW stating existing water and sewer main services service lines need to be located and any proposed infrastructure should also be depicted horizontally with accompanying um detail and profile drawings and then um there's I've provided approximately 10 staff comments um mostly to the organization and um and presentation of the plan packet. Um noting that it would be best if the site plan is provided in grayscale rather than color. Um so that all line work andology can be um determined um without having to rely on color. Um that all property boundary divisions within the site plan um are provided varying in distance talls. Those are missing currently. Um and that the survey it adheres to the requirements set forth by city code under section 360-37. Um there's a few items that are still missing from that such as a standing license number from the surveyor varying distance um concernable line pipes for various

features um that are being depicted um and associated features that um that need to be a little bit better depicted through um with the grace line symbolization. Um it is recommended that um there there's proposed exterior lighting. So it's recommended that a full lighting plan be provided. Um there is a note on the plans um for a gate that's located at the southwestern portion of the parking area that states that the gate that future coordination be completed the neighbor. So, it's requested that additional um information and explanation is provided and for a draft easement for that area. Um it did seem like the symbology um within the legend and across the site plan was quite small. So, it's recommended that be enlarged so it's more legible. Um there there's a proposed widened curb cut at the drive entrance. So, it's expected that there would be a ramp um to connect with the main sidewalk. So, any details associated with that should be provided. and um proposed exterior building

materials and colors appear to be messy, but it's it's assumed that the those materials and colors are to match the existing building and if so just a note should be added plans stating self. So it's all fairly straightforward. Um and then one last item was the dimensional table, the land use table. Um recommending that that pro be that better organization be provided towards that. And that She can't help the whole brother.

Discussion. discussion. It's all discussion.

I I think that we have a a precedent by accepting a site plan that we don't want to enter into and that's we are showing parking on three separate parcels. The property line to the south shows parking through the group that I mentioned of seven spaces that are on the property adjacent to it to this when you provide parking off your principal site. You have to have ownership and special use permit. That's what the building code said. the modification. If you look at the north part of the parcel, there's a modification on a separate parcel. Let me describe what a separate parcel is. You have a deed. Within that deed, you're describing two separate parcels of land. The parcel identification map that's supplied to us by the county identifies the taxable area as a method of a joining uh properties and taxation. They incorporated the two in one parcel identification. So we have the deed description that identifies two separate parcels but we're impacting the second one with parking that is required on the first one the mag in looking at the looking at the numbers um you can eliminate these five of these spots of the seven that are provided in adjacent property property because

you're providing 80 spots as as I'm reading this and you're showing a requirement of 75 spots. So I think that five five space uh ex excess number of uh parking spaces can be absorbed in there. It's the other two that might need a little bit more adjusting. Rick, where's the painting the plats like that you were right here? This is the proposed site lane. This is the property line. Yeah.

These seven spaces access through the gate commons up here. You'll see the orange marker. Yeah. Showing the property that I did. where the Sunday Yeah. space is going to be property related whose property is this is their property and it's identified within the deed as a separate Yeah. That's how I'm not a deep person. Yeah.

That's how I interpret that. Um, here's my concern more so than anybody. If we allow people to provide with parking on a lot that it's is not owned by them, that's not identified as the same law as the principal structure. I think it's a dangerous precedent to to allow. So the option would be wanting to see someone at the sketch plan timing have that memorandum of understanding or other agreement with the other land owner.

Well, that doesn't give them ownership, right? Uh it's a it's a two-stage process. One, you have to have ownership and then two, you have to have the special use permit. It's an allowed use if you have ownership. What if we have to go through the process to I see the special.

Yes. Um There may be ways to absorb that cycle. I think after it's retold here for sketch plan and secure typing. Yeah, this the sketch plan review and there's a draft determination for that

that would deem the application complete and classified. I didn't count it just went by the what they're showing the board can existing accept that resolution and provide conditions. decision. Yes, but they are here and we do not have any like DPW comments. There's minimal DPW comments. Um there are uh included in the staff report under department.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Last month's application though for Hamilton Street, we didn't have any DPW comments, but this month we have we do listed comments. Yes. Correct. Okay. Yes.

Um I don't believe DPW though I shared the Hamilton Street plans with them. I think it was in between their time off and they didn't have a proper chance for you to um just because it's rare that we don't get DPW comments. Um, and just through my mind that awards both of these applications have gone under ZBA review and um received approval for for SOC. Cheerings.

Yes. locate all utilities. [Music] So this storm one say this is storm. Listen according to the parking schedule. Um 75 spaces are required by counting up without those seven. There are seven

skin of their teeth. Skin of their teeth. Got that one. So, we're not I did not receive any comments back from the building inspector's office or required parking, but the atlas teams did have listed section 360-28 one space for every four seats. Um, and they did have populated um the total number of spaces they thought would be required. And then there's going also for

yeah that's the 75 and counting the space counting collected the number there's 76 added now so sorry they're um they say existing is 60 they have 67 existing and they're proposing 85 Uh that's a new number I believe that should be showing

85. I see 75 required total parking proposed parking standard space of 76 handicap 4 total of 80 required 299 occupants 75 spaces. What plan what plan are you on? C102. So, and this is um this goes back to my recommendation legals provided in a better more organized format so it's easier to digest. Totally agree. But that's why we're here to discuss.

So you also reference the code area. I think it's right here. 360 26 C2B I guess. Yeah, Alicia or Bart, you can note that. Three, we have what? 36026 C2B. C2B. That's where

the reference in all other zoning district parking spaces shall be provided on the same law as the principal zoning doors may permit. lot owner especially permit parking on a lot not more than 500 ft from such principal use provided said law is is restricted by de for use as parking so long as so that's what you're referencing that's that's my reference but I think the using a route to deal with it is if you could join within the dean in that parcel descriptive as one single parcel that you don't have to worry about.

Well, the question is partly the front yard that's pre-exist they have language in there that grants um rights. to I think the city and the adjacent property.

I only saw I'm just going to share my opinion on this. if they have overflow parking and they have an easement, they've met the prescribed need for the parking. So that is that we have to contend with because they've met the scripted number of parking spaces within the site plan. If Joe agrees with the with the graph And if necessary, that will come through. If necessary, these statements will come back through if at the end of the review for conditions. still recording.

It is 6 to 12. We'll move into the regular meeting order for Monday, August 5th, 10:25. We can all arrive pledge of allegiance. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Jim Abdala, yes. Rick Perry, yes. Abby Muser, yes. Tom Cosbro, yes.

Carl, yes.

Thank you. We do have two agenda items tonight. First planning order agenda is application 25-05 uh continuation of sketch review for 15 Hamilton Hamilton Street Development 2025. [Music] Um, so this is the second time around for 25-05 and it's a site coming back in a sketch bay for work with team Hamilton Street Development. The request again is to construct three new town homes with 3x38 foot um footprints uh shared access drive and parking area on approximately 0.539 acres um where an existing s single plan made residence is undergoing a town home conversion at 15 Hamilton Street. The parcel is zoned to R2. The applicant and property owners are here this evening. Kine Development, Kai and Kim Ford. The plan preparer is ades Northeast. Scott Allen is with us this evening. And again, this is for 15 Hamilton Street. Um here is an overview of the parcel on H along Hamilton Street within the real property fade up. Um here is a view of the parcel within the Ruth zone district. It is surrounded by other R2 zoned properties. And this shows an excerpt of the state historic resources mapping interactive mapping tool showing the parcel is outside of the point view historic district but is directly contiguous to that district.

And this is an overview, just an aerial photo of of the property. Um, street um, frontage photos of the property. This is these are probably a few months old now. Sure. It's progressed a little bit further uh, with the conversion of the existing home. and need this. They don't have all of these addresses memorized. Um, so this is a view to the west to 7 Hamilton Street and a view south um from the back of the property again to Seven Hamilton Street. Amen. I created this without all of these keeping in the way. Um, so this is a view directly across the street from the subject property and a view to the north um across the backyard property property line. Um there's two different adjoining parcels. Then looking at 17 Hamilton Street and 27 Mcdana Street, similar um duplex formats and construction within the neighborhood setting and then an overview of the site plan. Um page 105 um showing the layout of the four different structures, three boats, one existing along with a parking layout and a newly proposed sidewalk um aligning Hamilton Street.

There is a 5 foot buffer around the property. Um though it's not um depicted or noted what the vegetation would be within that buffer. If it's existing vegetation, what type of what type of vegetation if it's going up to the top right? It appears to be complete now. Um symbology um staff recommendations um were to provide a hatch for the patios and then include that in the legend and ensure that the legend is complete with all hatching and line types. Um and it appears mostly complete. Um here's a closeup of the legend uh zone table notes and layout of that same sheet. And then um here's a full talk about the grading plan. Um we did discuss this in the premeating. So the um from the last planning board um meeting reviewing this plan. The planning board requested that the applicant revise the grading slightly to provide um better um on-site management of of water runoff. Um so the applicant modified the grading to provide what appear to be two small fetch basins in the front yards. Um the one on the west side appears to go across the property boundary. So staff comments related um suggest that that be brought back in and ensured to be um kept on site. Um, and then

there's slight updates to the directional flow of the drainage, the runoff from site. And then this also shows the proposed walkway. Um, which there there would be over 5t of room um to allow for snow storage be between the proposed walk and edge of street for Hamilton Street. Um here is the utility plan to provide water and sewer perhaps for each of the buildings and uh relocating or providing a new usability flow coordinated with municipal lighting district. Um and a note to confirm sewer connection location with department of public works landscaping and lighting plan. Um there really weren't any major changes to this plan other than carrying through the proposed sidewalk. And then again I copied the detail sheet. Um the scale guard was added to the elevations and floor plan sheet for the floor plans but the scale is still missing for the elevations and no changes in the those materials or colors. So those remain the same from last meeting. um department review comments. We received um this I sent this back through um for department review and

comment and received uh three new comments back from DPW. But um expected comments recommending that new sewer connection to the road roadway be into the existing manhole instead of the main line um just east of the manhole. recommending that the applicant show a proposed water shut off on the service line between the edge of payment and the property line and then recommending the applicant add water service connection detailed to page 505. Um MLDD as as typical request said stated the need for electrical load data from the applicant to size the services for the new buildings. um environmental services. I reached out directly because they don't typically provide comment um but wanted to confirm whether or not there would be um anticipated issues with the combined sewer overflow and they stated they they have no concerns um especially within that area of the city. Um so they have no concerns with this development moving forward. Um and that 911 office um they still have not provided um at least not to me uh recommended addressing or approval of the proposed addressing that the applicant um submitted. So that's that coordination um is still underway. And then um for staff recommendations, safer classification should be an unlisted action because there's proposed multiple structures. And then as to local recommendations for the planning department review, then the following staff comments award. Um while

best management practices appear to be located, it's recommended that um um the grading and the um worker and equipment vehicle parking um be provided proposed staging areas for that as well as staging for um building materials. And then um recommending that the proposed self fence be depicted to be pulling within the property boundary instead of going over the boundary as it I think appears to be on the southwest portion of the property. Um recommendation that this scale that a scale be elevations um hatching line work and symbolization to the legend. It appears all of this appears to be mostly addressed with an exception of the post hash for the patios. Um number seven, um it's still recommended that an onsite connection be provided to um the public walkway, which is now the public there's a public walkway proposed now. and that um previous comments regarding the crosswalk are no longer relevant because the crosswalk is no longer being proposed. Um recommend adding um the proposed fivewood sidewalk appear does appear to allow for snow storage and doesn't conflict with um any other existing or proposed utilities at this point in time. Um number 11 I think um just continued coordination with ZW and NLD ahead of planning board approval. Um the parking areas number 13 parking area

should be appropriately screened and landscaped which um appears to be attempted with a five foot wide buffer but more detail should be proposed for that um to detail um what the existing vegetation to be retained or the codes vegetation would be for that area. Um, I haven't seen any proposed entrance signage. Um, but the applicant should address whether or not they are planning signage. Um, and if any signage is planned, it should be included in the site plan review. Um and then as I previously discussed when going through the slides, the retention areas um that are newly proposed to the front yard areas of this property um appear to overlap the 5ft buffer and cross the boundary line. So it's recommended those back and um we're refining their design and also a recommendation to um providing specific ventification that is appropriate and can withstand wet and dry periods. Um and then um there is a no on sheet too for the existing walkway to be removed um on-site walkway and um if that's to be removed that um no should be carried through also safe to sheets and that's all I have for so I'll hand it back to you Jim. Thank you. Um, just a couple of quick comments. Um,

first cames to the schedule project that we talked about last month. Frankly, we left with the impression that we had our sketch plan reviewed approved at the last month's meeting. Apparently, that's not the case. Um, tonight we're asking you to consider both a sketch plan and final plan or preliminary plan approval at tonight's meeting so we can save a month and get started on construction. Um, secondly, um, also from last meeting, it was our understanding that this sidewalk issue that we would show where how a sidewalk would look on the plan. Um, and you would also give consideration to the drainage comment about the sidewalk that we showed on the plan so you could see, you know, where it would be located. You know, it's very difficult to um determine what grade these sidewalks need to go in without designing the reconstruction of the whole sheet of the whole street, excuse me, of Hamilton Street. If um um the city at some point in the near future decides to reconstruct um Hamilton Street that could result in change in the heights of the curves and now we've got a sidewalk there that may not mesh well with that curbing um and you could have some, you know, steep slopes off the back of the curb to get to the sidewalk or they could go downhill and uh create drainage problems. So, it's our recommendation that um we not get involved with the sidewalk construction at this time. It's a just a sort of a peace meal out in the middle of nowhere sidewalk without taking into consideration the redesign of the reconstruction for the whole street. Um those are my comments Kai comments on any of this by

we've met with I think we're square with MLB and I mean uh MLDD and public works. So yeah, we're good. All the service has been sized. I don't know what I'm good on my end. I don't know what else they need from you on their end, but um they received more data. Yeah, we already we put those in months ago. So I'm not sure the service has already been sized. I talked to Andrew again. I spoke with him previously. So, I'm not sure what other

all three of these comments are in with this. Yeah. Yeah. Scott, would you tie in already to the sewer? We shall the connection just behind manhole. Some municipalities prefer not break into these old manholes and put a a sleeve or a a saddle in and connect like that. Um but if certainly it's just a slight modification of the plan, move the lateral head if you need and show tying directly in the manhold.

Um number two, propose shut off. Uh certainly that's no problem. We can show that final plan and um and we can add a detail as well.

I'll just address um there's no entry sign. Um I think I said that in the email to um so 911 I've spoken to Kelly Nan like three times. Um and he and my propos that I think I sent to that um was um Kelly's over the um paid for. So he's gone through sort of different processes but that's what he ended up on. Um,

thank you. Uh, Alicia, can you confirm is this subject to public hearing? Um, the planning board has in past president held public hearings for site friendly use. Um, and no public hearing was advertised for this evening. So, yes. So, that is the one issue with the roles. in terms of scheduling for a volunteering would have to be volunteer staff prior to the meeting with that said board comment discussion

I'd like to ask how far back does this push your construction schedule can you still construct as planned this year

my concern is there's a lot site work that needs to be done in terms of the um sewer connections going all the way up through bringing the water connections all the way up through I just it's always the race is what happens you get Thanksgiving is usually my cut off if you're not in the ground with concrete by Thanksgiving it's like this could be frozen out other years it's 60° and separate stuff Um, you never know. It's just it's always a crapshoot start pushing closer to that Thanksgiving deadline. So,

what are the advertising requirements for a public hearing? Um, I haven't read them in a little while, but um, Barb typically handles them and I believe it's 10 days, but Barb, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll go off whether you tell me it's subject to a public hearing and then I put a send it to the community who send it to the paper and for the meeting it's 5 days at least 5 days before but I don't know if that's a public hearing requirement or just the notice of the meeting itself. Well that's the notice of the meeting which adheres to public period.

Okay. So that would be the following of the five days. Yeah. Sorry. So it's five days ahead. Um there are other requirements and some days

I think I'd like to with discussion of course um propose that we schedule a special hearing possibly next week so that they can maintain their construction schedule. Um, I'm sure staff could work on that. Um, if I may, one element that the board might want to take into consideration, um, is it it's my understanding that the applicant will still have some revisions to make and that might take some time. Um, and that if all of the revision required revisions can be completed within a month and ahead of the next planning board meeting, potentially the there could be a public hearing held then and they could get the final approval for their detail plan that meeting and move directly forward into uh building permit and and new continuation of their timeline. by chairman the revisions are about 90% that happen day after month relatively minor we've been asked to land the plane does any b that out would be appropriate

this has nothing to do with this project I just do we want to be holding special hearings. Well, do we want to set that precedent? It's a significant size project. Um, given the the time of year, if we waited until the next month's meeting, that's the end of September. I I Yeah, I I agree with all of that. I'm not saying that we shouldn't. I'm just saying that if we do it for them, then other people are going to ask us to do it too.

I think there are circumstances that some flexibility and we are volunteers and the city does have staff there. So not a decision of one. So yeah, I think it's worth discussing and

um I think given the magnitude and fact that we do have uh I a housing shortage that it's it's it's a worthy project to exercise that flexibility. Though I will say in in the work session I asked about the application sort of a sketch whether the applicant understood that it would turn into a sketch because honestly I did not understand that they not sketch and is that just a a function of the staff comments there was not enough I think it's a

progress made or I think it's a function board did not make an action sketch resolution last month. Typically, we would make a motion and the sketch resolution forward even in those conditions with comments. I see. Okay. So, with with that said, um I'm only one person on the board. I I think we have had special meetings in the past especially for an in application reach a point where it's timing wise has some necessity to go something the board will

well why don't I make it the form of a motion that we hold a special meeting um I'll have to yield to Barb as when that and get into the to the paper for advertisement.

If I usually if I get it to her two days before the time to print, that's doable, but that's about cut off. Usually, I would send it on a Friday for the following Wednesday print. I can send it as late as a Monday, two days before. And then that has to be when it runs 5 days. As long as you're sure that that's for public hearing. I didn't know if it was just you had to pull five deals before a planning board meeting in agend but for sure if it's a public if it's because it's a public hearing and this was only what I was told when I was hired that Shalice said it was 5 days. So not looking at any planning board procedures and stuff. I just don't take it on my word.

Yeah. Okay. Chairman, you may um could we also ask that um before you schedule a public hearing that review section 360 of the existing code to point out to us where the requirement for public hearing is written for site time. We know that's for special use permits for zoning actions public just by quick glance through this section 36. Excuse me. Scott, can I can I ask you to come up here? So

public hearing. Yeah, Jim has the uh first version same 360-30 [Music] submission.

Um I believe it's under the section for public hearings. I do not have that where you can run with me. Um, but I could pull up the code if you would like. Sure. Yeah.

Check that out just to make sure that maybe we don't. While that's being looked at, I just want to make another comment that it's, you know, at our last meeting, Carly has a she was passionately speaking about public access for the betterment of community, you know, walkability. And you know you you took the steps and good planning practices to have that discussion in display so that we could see it talk about it. I I applaud your enthusiasm. The thing

but you guys don't want to do it. Well, you don't want to do it sidewalk and find out later that not at the right grade. Well, so that that's a question I have because I'm not civil engineer and or you know I what to what extent would we anticipate that all the grades would change because there's an entire existing sidewalk would that all be

and yeah the whole street under design for reduction. We built a lot of houses on the base over the last number of years and um on main road in particular, we built five houses before they redid main road. So during construction, we've replaced on each home every single side bus, every section of curbing, um each one, everything was brand new and and nice. Um because we felt well I think Joe asked us to do that and then we also felt it was good for you know a person buying a home to have a nice clean property and so forth. Well three years ago they redid main road and ripped out all the sidewalks they put in all the curving is they had to replace all the water lines. So obviously, you know, the the city, it was an important public works job to do, but on the other hand, I spent how much money we spent on all those sidewalks and all those properties and just threw them all out. So I was thinking about that after the last meeting. I mean, we tried to do the right thing there and then everything just got thrown away. So

what is the Yeah. I mean, the lot to the west, there's no other sidewalks on that side of the street. No, but the the entire road, the entire I mean, there's just no boulevard. It's all paved along here. No, there aren't. Um, yeah, it's quite the predicament. It's like, how do you get ahead? Unless the city has a to their point a comprehensive plan to redo the street and loot that um to make those arguments that it's peacemaking and not worth it because you're going to waste it.

I I I can't tell. Yeah, there is. I mean people do Abby, there's something that would be helpful for me to bring. I was looking at Google Street View. Okay. I think other people may be more familiar with the site than me. So, it's

Was there determination on referral with county planning board? That was not required.

It's not a requirement. It's not within 500 ft of the property line and it's not aision. So Scott, I'll let you confirm if you agree about 360-56 applications hearings and decisions item R and then that is provisions apply to applications for administrative view variances, special use permits, site plan approvals, planning and developments, historic approvals. Then if you go to R time of hearing the boards shall conduct a public hearing within 62 days from the day that application is received on any matter referred to them under this section

356 360-56 and that would be under four.

Well, he's looking for that. Is there another key for a public hearing later on in the process as well? Because there will be sketch plan, a site plan, and then is there a final plan review with this board as well? You know the typical process depending on the completeness of the site plan um typically we'll go sketch plan preliminary final detailed um often the planning board will combine preliminary detail there are final

but if the the plan is you know substantially complete and has relatively no staff comments it may be recommended to the planning board that they want to you know go sketch to detail in one meeting. There is nothing in the code that states the specific order but the planning board has um fallen back to the order of a subdivision review process for more complicated site plan reviews. So

yeah I see. Yeah application here is a decision made of his own or the language. are this board should get up for public hearing from the day applications of any matter referred to under this session. And that public hearing is also what mails out the postcards to all the neighbors and everything. Right. We do not do a mailing to adjacent neighbors. Okay. That's only for the zoning board. Correct. Got it. At this point, it's fine. Okay.

So, with that said, there is a actual motion. Well, we're talking about it. Before we make the motion for the the special hearing, is like everything else satisfied? like shouldn't we should we figure out like if the rest of the application is all like we're good to go on that before we vote on whether we want to do a special hearing. So I think the applicants offered that within couple days most of the revisions here or that are noted here and be submitted back to the staff. You mean do we have any other comments? Yeah, I'm just saying I don't think we've really talked about them which is Yeah.

Yeah. I guess I'm just saying like are we all done with talking about this before we vote on having a special hearing? Scott, are there any conditions that you can't meet? We postpone or held a special hearing next week. No, I don't see any. Again, I don't know if we're excited, but that's a tough one. What

that? Yeah, I guess that's what I'm getting at is like we've have I think the sidewalk issue is something we should all decide because it's in the comments. So like are we going to recommend that or not? I'm not going to die on that hill. But I'm just saying like I don't feel like we've talked about the rest of it. So I have one other comment. Uh we don't have it all wrapped up in regards to these the press areas for the storm order. Yes.

Can you um Sorry, she is having a hard time hearing you. Would you mind coming up and the recording for two two things? Yeah. Can you can you sort of modify that brief narrative or report just on storm water management like a standard detail for the a section of well that that's

I'm more looking just I mean you could justify your calculations that you know you're not going to put a pond in the front yard. It's going to depend on infiltration. From from all indications, it's sandy soil out there and that's why we don't think it, you know, is going to require a special media. So, you know, we're relying basically on vegetation. Otherwise, it's got a sheet. You know, what we had before was sheet flow out the Hamilton US to mitigate that. So by creating the depressions and um you know creating those infiltration basins that'll that'll mitigate the impact on the storm sewer.

I'm even thinking well if you could I think I just don't want to end up with a foot pond in your front yard infiltrate or something. So I don't know whether there's another mitigation practice whe some something of it and and again even exploring whether the storm sewer can be connected as like a way to [Music] control it but mitigate it. Yeah. And I don't know again that's a coordination with DBW that that's my only Yeah. We'll take a look at that.

Yeah. not not just representing something but is there how does it work or is it working or what again you look at that I mean it maybe it does address in short order the comment but it is quote plus depression in the front yard

right so is there an overflow in there that connects to the storm sewer so it doesn't drain from there across the road or is there an engineered detail showing that how it does at least infiltrates in the spring. You don't have wood that that sound like something we probably don't want. Well, I thought that was the idea though. Wasn't Isn't it supposed to retain water? It right. I mean I think the question is whether it infiltrates in the front of your yard or infiltrates in you know what we can do is we

we can put some yard drains in those basins in the center of those basins just run a 4 inch line out to the uh out to the uh the storm suit oh so overflow yeah where the elevation is up more at the overflow line so it can hold it up to a foot and then if it goes above that by by putting a small discharge out of the bottom the basin will control the flow that goes into the the city storm sewer. Um but at least it'll keep those bottoms dry. So yard yard drains and small dam catch into doesn't that bypass the point of but no you're still it still controls the rate of discharge. So

it's functioning but it doesn't hold water and then you can apply that sugar. Um, I just had a couple questions to clarify. The the the privacy fencing around the patios in the back, are there gates in that or is it all They're just u perpendicular to the building. So they they would just come out. So a solid piece of fence it's not between the two guys just to provide privacy between the two uh it's not intended to be totally

oh it's not fully enclosed it's just yeah that that I thought it was like this little wall like are there not gates or anything but it's it's just that separation and then the rest that's reflected is patio that people are sitting outside in a star area in a neighbor. No, no, that's fine. I was concerned if they were like little wall enclosures that you can't get to the sidewalk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is fine. Want to clarify. You're not I mean hopefully you like your neighbors, but it outside by yourself. You're not staring at your neighbor. That's kind of what we're thinking.

Yeah. It's just the line points to the arrow points to the edge of the It looks like that's a fence fail, not just the patio edge. Um the the double fence I mean I I understand there's there's kind of this dissonance between the where the lot line is, but then there's the 5ft buffer, but there is an existing fence and then you're adding a fence. So essentially, is there going to be kind of two fences and a no man's land between or I'm just trying to understand people? Um, yeah. What is it? A wood split rail. Yeah. You know, like a

singular [Music] I guess. Yeah. Kind of falling in. I mean, I think it's so it's completely ineffective and doesn't provide screening or a real boundary. It's broken. Okay. There's no proposing a new fence that actually writes a bug. I I just was concerned if there were kind of a a no man's channel that's a concealed space for like security-wise that that'd be concerning, but that doesn't sound like that's what would be created because the other fence isn't really it's not really okay. It's just a fence. So if it's I think I'll talk to the neighbor, but um

I think there was some we weren't quite sure, Scott, right, where there was some discrepancy in the deed as to Yeah, they were not sure, but I think I could I don't think they care. If I put a new fence up, I'd be happy to have Oh, did they? Okay, never mind. Yeah. Yeah. The only other question I have is if your fence runs where you're showing it, where you're planning to kind of snow plow and push snow off the end and do you need a little space like if you want to push your fence back? I know you're creating a buffer, but

it was just nothing critical, just mostly clarification. That's a good That's all. Thank you.

Any other discussion? I will then make a make a motion. As long as everyone's concerns have been satisfied and time isn't um crucial, Scott can prepare what information we need. Barb can get it in and advertise it in compliance with our regulation. So, um I'll throw out the date next Monday. It's Labor Day. Labor Day. No, it's that's a holiday. Um, next Tuesday or next Friday could be available dates.

Okay. I didn't see any other meetings scheduled for the council chambers but either one of those two days. Yeah. I'm going to suggest next Tuesday and that day is the third. Third. The second. No second. Sorry. Does that give you your five days? You're going to have to get the I have no idea. Alicia gone whether who's going to be coming and the holiday and I'm taking vacation some days this week.

Um so whether I'll be here or not. But as far as the time for getting the paper, I think when you were talking that other 360 whatever, isn't the public hearing not 5 days? Because as I said, I wasn't sure if that is it. Is it is it for the public hearing? Okay, I didn't catch that. So, it would have to go in the public hearing notice would have to go in five days before the meeting and I have to get it to the press at least two days before. So, it would have to be next Friday then Friday. Yeah. So, it's get your five days two days plus the holiday. Do we all have to be present for that special hearing? it you would need a quorum.

You need a quorum and staff support at some level, right? Which we would have to be here. Okay. The following could be fine. I mean, we appreciate we obviously appreciate those. Yeah. So, Monday the 8th.

Monday the 8th. What time for the first availability of the It appears that the chambers will be reacting. So we'll just have to coordinate with that and secure that. That'll get okay. So the motion is uh special meeting Monday, September 8th. Well, that would be so Okay. So, I would have to get the ad to her by then Friday because Monday's the holiday, right? Yeah. You should have enough time to advertise that.

We'll have Yeah. [Music] And then the next planning board's meeting date is the 22nd. FYI. So, we do have a motion on the floor to schedule a special meeting for Monday the 8th to consider application 25-05. What time? Regularly scheduled time. Yeah. Would there be a premeating? I didn't hear that. Would there be a premeating?

Oh, it's up to the planning board. Um, typically you do have a premeating. a half hour to preview. I always think we no pre consideration the application of the final applications. Yep. Okay. So, I have a motion on the floor. Do a second. by anyone. I can second. Second.

I can. Okay. We have a second. That's a yes. Or you can or you It's a yes. That was a second. It was a second. Okay. You were I couldn't really hear one. Oh, okay. I got confused. Okay. So, roll call. Jim Abdala. Rick Perry. Yes. Abby Muser. Yes. Tom Costa. Yes. Carly. Yes.

With that said, so that we solidify this for the sketch plan with conditions again to meet the application least with the conditions being established. a secret classification of an unlisted on coordinated actions follow.

And so with the proposed conditions, is the planning board accepting all staff comments as presented in the staff report? And are there any additional conditions being proposed? Can you pull up the staff comments again? It's right there. It's right there. I think you got I think you got to figure out the sidewalk. So, so what is the what is do we have any sense of whether that street would be redone in the next 10 years?

Um I have not received any word from DPW on whether that street would be redone. Um they have a repaving schedule that they operate by. Um I don't think it's been on their current paving schedule. Um they they update their paving schedule every year um depending on what they were previously pictures but paving but that I mean they're talking about more like if we redid all the pipes right okay yes I was going to say they just repaved that re didn't they

they might have resurfaced it but they're you're talking about like a full reconstruction you're going to tear up all the piping and you're going to group. I'm sorry. I I think you're right. I think the paving's been it's just resurfaced. Yeah, but you're not talking about that when you're referring to the sidewalk issues. No, that would be the full depth. Yeah, I don't Yeah, I have no idea what to say. No anticipated full reconstruction at this point in time. Yeah.

Um there could be in the future. Um I think there's other focuses for pulled out three construction on other more major streets within the city. Um where there have been persistent water main breaks um and then where the city wants to improve um infrastructure coordination with the town of Platsburg such as River Street. Can you go back one slide here? Can I just want to see the frontage this way? And yeah, sort of from the street view just to see where it ties into I hear what you're saying. We don't like orphan sidewalks. We haven't really requested those. Is there any from

Is there any from the street view of the like looking at the property? Wasn't there one where Yeah. Here. Yeah. There's just there's no sidewalk, but there's no other sidewalk for it to connect to. And if you look west, you know, going back towards Route 9, there's no there's nothing really for it to tie into there either. So, I can see where the applicants. There is sidewalk on Route Nine up there. Uh, yes, on Route 9. What I'm saying, but not on Hamilton. The south side has it, but this does not. And the lower half of Hamilton Street has a sidewalk on that side. Yeah, on the east side. Yes.

Like I said, this isn't a hill I'm going to die on, so you guys know my opinion on it, and the four of you can put in your opinions on it. I mean, I I feel strongly about creating connectivity and you have to start somewhere, but um the likelihood that though, you know, is there a likelihood that there would be the infill sidewalks in the time before any of this would be redone? Probably not. It probably would maybe be a more complete street kind of approach if this whole street were redone with infrastructure right at that point. Um, and I think I'm not one to promote the waste of carbon intensive concrete either. It have to be torn out at some time, but um, it's just it's just hard altogether. I think putting more energy then or in time and and money into even uh, more functional and better drainage swells could then be, you know, the tradeoff.

Yeah. Because I mean I I really appreciate the effort to take advantage of the way the grading works, prevent the sheet draining onto the street that goes right to the storm sewer close to the lake. So really enhancing that even more.

I would definitely agree. That would be my my approach as well. Yeah, there's no question that that's a waste of money or waste of energy resources. Yeah. Okay. Good. Can we just see this again? Make sure you page

any of the staff comments survive. So the boards agree that no one's Yeah, I think we comments to that sidewalk. It would be I would say eliminating it sounds like the elimination of number seven and number eight. If the board wants to focus on those two those pertain to the sidewalk they become just not not applicable. Um the board would have to okay verify that in their

I wasn't here last week. Uh, seven was a sidewalk or crosswalk was being proposed at some point to get you across to that sidewalk. Yeah, but we don't have standards for sure in the middle of the street. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. It was a good intention, but it some different. No, I got it. Okay.

You want a copy of the elements? They're all within um number 13. Parking area should be appropriately screened and landscaped. We we haven't any landscape things I guess because it snow a little bit. Um so I don't know if you guys want to address that

is that referred to are we concerned about um the view from the street frontage? Um it's a typical condition um and part of the site plan review criteria but the parking areas the base comment was a previous comment provided on the last after tour. The updated portion is that the five foot wide buffer should um depict the proposed vegetation type whether it's if it's existing or proposed that vegetation type should be called out because there is a 5 foot wide buffer that was discussed last meeting and still appears on the plans but it doesn't the plans do not depict what what is within that. So that note that five foot vegetation buffer is essentially a note to say you need to note if this is existing or proposed. Is that right?

What is the what is the vegetation and what the vegetation type is. So if it's existing note that it's existing note what it is. If it's proposed note that it's proposed what that what it is it's on note it's referred to on note six shoot one. Um that'll basically remain as it is. It's just a non maturity area when they do something. They just take time to go strip straight up to the property line. Yeah. Little five foot of existing brass existing lawn. So I'll make it clear in the plans that that five foot plate remain um long. That'd be great. Thank you. Scott, what where what where's note six? Sorry.

Um on sheet 105 narrative regarding the storm water. Oh, on the in the title. Yeah. Yeah. Written notes.

Oh, I see. It keeps you under an acre. Yeah. It's just minimize erosion during construction. Um, comment number eight. Hi. Um, so real quickly, number 13 of the Scott that doesn't necessarily address the the comment of the buffer like a street and landscape.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I think at number 13, did that precede our submission of the landscape maps? Yeah, the landscape. No, it was intension to you submitted the landscape plan last meeting and this was also a stack comment last meeting. Uh maybe we should get clarification on that. That that's what I was thinking. We were being asked to clarify that. So I think we have the vans plan. We can see it now. symbols in front of the

in front of the building. I think the circular symbols shelf where the various species will be to planning fee at the upper left corner on sheet sheet number four. Um I is there any additional screening that um that you're recommending? So the initial comment was to provide screening for the parking areas. Um last meeting um you all stated that there was a fence that was being proposed along the northern property boundary and that there was a 5 foot wide buffer that which is shown that's depicted that um goes around perimeter. Um and it was my understanding that that was also proposed to screen the parking. So um again it was clarification on what the vegetative species for that buffer would be.

It's basically lawn and long if you can go back to some of the photos you can see that there's trees very near the top of the lines. So by maintaining this five buffer then K is kind of put on notice not to go down. You're limiting the sight disturb you're limiting the sight disturbance by creating that buffer. Now is that then the perimeter of your silk fence or the perimeter of the silk fence then the inside go on the inside of the five. Mhm. So, it's just, you know, the uh

and you're for the note that essentially would say like there's a tree here already and we're not going to move it, right? Yeah. Just note that it's Yeah. Like they she the staff wants on here there is a tree here and we're not going to disturb it. It it actually is up to the planning. It's a staff okay recommendation to the consider that the applicant provides detail on what vegetative species so it would just say existing vegetation to remain right to clarify that further

on the flip side of that. stat left of that photo. Those two maple trees, whatever those are. Those are in the buffer. I'm not sure. Those are really Yeah, I'm hoping to not do anything, but they're going to be I have to kind of see where the buildings are going to be. So, I think those are the things to probably like in the back of the site where your excavator is. Yeah. Are all those trees to be removed or are they in

I'm trying to save the locust. There's a straight back. There's a number of fall locusts. So if they're not in the parking area, I'd like to save those. There's the trees that will be coming down will be the box elders. So um if you look right behind the house, the silver existing house, those are box elders. The neighbor next door has asked me to take that down. Um, he's gonna split. One of them kind of goes his way, one of them goes my way. So, he's asked me to take those two down. So, we're going to we are going to take those. They're boxers and they're they're breaking. We've been a lot of them have come down. So,

we'll go out and shoot those two on the bus tomorrow. So we know it's happening whether not sure if we'll detail that on the next mission. So whether they're staying that would be the only I mean those those do have to come down so we can show that and they're you know they're on the new um zoning update and site plan. Do we require uh documentation of existing trees that are over so many inches, you know, diameter, breast height kind of? I'm pretty sure that's part of the guidelines. I think you know what we're talking about is like, oh, if we had that kind of stuff on here and Yeah, absolutely. Not that it's a requirement, but really helpful. Yeah.

Yep. Okay. For applicant planning board. Mhm.

And so then you know there there is then with that fence the screening of the parking from the lots behind and then from the street side there's really just that one kind of end of the parallel parking that's visible. I mean I understand the idea that if you want to is there a curb there or is it flush? It's flush. So you could plow towards your retaining your detention pond. though is it practical to have we tried to minimize landscaping there. One of the reasons Ken worryed the site like this is it it allowed the parking area to be least impactful.

Yep. No, I I appreciate the the configuration of the buildings that helps bring that one building up and create a street frontage and keep your parking in the core. Um there are many other ways you could have oriented the site. So I think that is by default helps screen the parking.

Do you have any other questions? You were moving down. Sorry. I think I'm good. I mean I mean what exactly? Like I said we've I've spoken with DPW with MLB. Um, do you want something in writing from them or I mean what normally we don't we're just I just talk to them and we just go from there. But

so um typically they wouldn't be providing additional comments um on the second round um because their comments would either stay or be satisfied. Um so I we can check in with DPW and confirm um that they're satisfied with the phone details and they can go back through um planning so we can go back through and and verify also um from our own perspective whether or not it appears that those comments are satisfied. Um, but again, um, DPW's comments were were fairly fresh. Um, I'm not entirely I I've sent them revised plans, so they should have been working off of the most recent um, revision. Um, so I'm I'm happy just to go back and check from our end as well and confirm that um, that they're satisfied with the revisions. Yes.

You could ask them to send me the utility plan that I requested several weeks ago. That if they stated that they would never said yes or no said they take my message back. I I can't I can't um force them to provide.

I apologize. Um I do know um internally there has been some staff turnover and shifts um as well as vacation time. So I think there's been an overlap between um the superintendent and s assistant superintendent being in the office and able to respond to the requests over the last couple weeks. Um but the superintendent should be back in the office and and responding. And then assistant superintendent is now the um director of the community development department and you must reach what? May not hurt to politely refresh your request. Yes. Right to the top of the inbox.

It's a very detailed report. Thank you. Very welcome to my copy of it. Um, you all should have gotten a copy of of these, but if you don't get a copy of the staff reports outside of the meeting, please reach out and let us know.

No, we did. I just wanted to make sure that we're prepared. You guys are obviously going to be having a second meeting, which we appreciate. I just want to make sure we're fully on the same page. We can provide you with everything. So if I can summarize what I think we've addressed is the board is generally in agreement to for the sidewalk comments been offered in terms of revisiting the storm water management which applicant has indicated they're going to look at thunder drain and uh modifying their go calculations to maybe reduce retention in the front yard.

That's not correct, Scott. Okay. And then the applicant is going to take a look at the buffer areas, identify some of the trees on the plan and and vegetation to stay. Um, sorry, Jim. Go ahead. That is stated in as one of the comments. So, Would you mind referencing it? Yes. And we're running through the comments to say what you'll accept and or modify. So number 13.

So number 13, the applicant is going to under number 13 clarify existing conditions of some of the trees on site in the buffer area to be maintained or removed. The sidewalk I believe is number eight and seven and seven which the board has said we we're not going to require so elimination seven and eight five y

and then number I guess my comments about the storm water would being number 15 generally speaking which again the applicants and offer some more information for me with DBW with the storms so we're adjusting that catch everything you got to ask your minute that catch everything as far as I can Okay. Does the board have any other things to

So the silk fence is that that's being requested to be depicted on here that silk fences. It's 2B. Yeah. Where is it? With G2 along the frontage with the line with the squares. Okay. Thank you. I'm not familiar with the So, should that be within the bound the buffer, if there's no sidewalk, I guess, or does it Good. I guess we would leave that up to you to adjust your sil fence as as necessary.

Well, yeah, we'll probably go back to normal way. Since you're not doing sidewalk, you can adjust that. Okay. Thank you. Just my own clarification. And it referenced by legend stat.

Does the board have any other items? Anything I missed? Okay. Then I guess those items outlined would be the added conditions or revisions to staff comments. We do have a resolution accepting the sketch plan with with staff nomination. I have a motion for that. All right. Uh, I'll make a motion to uh pass resolution 25-05 with staff comments and the board conditions previously discussed.

A second. Second. Thanks. Roll call. Jim Abdala. Yes. Rick Perry. Yes. Abby Muser. Yes. Tom Costro. Yes. Carly Larry. Yes. Thank you very much. You made it. We just determined the type of action to do your findings in the next meeting. Correct.

Okay. So we do have our second application application 25. Is that correct? 02. It's Yes, that is correct for 635 street edition.

It's out of order. I'm sorry. What was that? Because it's out of order sequentially. Is that Yes. Yes. They've been um working to revise the submission. Oh, they were assigned the number. Okay. So application 25-02 ahead or should we wait?

Do you mind if we wait for Yes, I know. You need to be quiet.

I have a quick question. I don't know if you can answer it. Are we looking at Like I see on here, it looks like they're showing us the addition, but also the internal renovations they're going to be making. Do we have to prove their internal renovations? They're just showing us. That's just context. Okay, that's what I thought. Okay. So clear move on to other.

Okay. So um uh just to remind everybody there is a full staff report that I I we provided to plan board and hopefully the applicants have a copy. Um so the information that is provided in this presentation gives an overview of the application and um truncated insertion the staff report. Um so item number 225-02 site plan review for 63 broad street edition. The request was to construct a singlestory addition of approximately 3,679 square ft to an existing 10,178 of the minus square foot building currently used at the house of ownership. The proposal also includes associated modifications to parking and open space and is located at 63 Broad Street and is within the R2 zoning open uh sorry that's my eyes just don't drive within the R2 zoning district. The um the applicant and property owner are here today. Um, we have Jesse Brooks representing the Champlne Valley Christian Center aka Flaskber House of Fair. And then the PR man farer is Brooks Washburn um who is also here from Labella Associates. And here is an overview of um the parcel within the zone district, the R2 zone district. It's um directly across from the RH zone district aligning broad street. Um here is an overview of um would just the aerial uh pictometry of the parcel showing the site. Um and again the parcel boundaries are not

survey grade. This is a good example where they are not completely survey grade. Um here are pictures of the street frontage from along Broad Street of the existing building. And then jumping into the proposed um plans. Um here is the existing site layout showing the existing building walkways and parking area. There is um a an area of the the grass that has been cut back to make additional room for parking. Um I it's my understanding that the applicants began working to improve tarping but were requested to pause that work until they made it through all of the appropriate reviews. Um and this also showed site reading. Um and I apologize I don't know my screen is a bit more faded in my um my computer resters. So hopefully you all can make out um the line work on this um plan and and you have the evidence in front of you. Um but this is a also a unique area um of the city where there is kind of an off street um kind of a side um frontish area along Broad Street. Um it is privately owned by the House of Prayer and um provides additional parking to the north of the um lot. And then um there's additional on-site parking that um comes through the entrance and wraps around to the

back of the building. Um there's a proposed sidewalk that would be provided from the front of the building out to the parking on the north side and then um further connection to bra street and both walkway. Um and then the addition will be provided as I said northwestern portion of the existing structure and then um existing sidewalk along the western side. So there shows it a little bit later with Um and then the applicant lays out um in a couple different ways the ex existing lot area what was approved through the zoning board and what is uh proposed um for lot area maximum coverage maximum open space um and parking as well as setbacks and height ceiling. Um, it's a fairly straightforward plan. All considering minimal impacts to open space and vegetation, but down in the southwest corner of the property, uh, they're making they're proposing an adjustment to accessing the parking um, south of the property boundary that is owned by an adjacent owner. and you'll see a note there toward me with that.

Um, these are renderings of the existing buildings with the proposed addition and then the existing floor plan with uses. The The text is a little bit small um on my screen, but hopefully you can make that out on my hands in front of you. And this is uh with the existing building with the proposed addition to the north that the proposed floor plan

and then proposed elevations. Oops. So um in total it will still um be below the maximum B allowance but give a little extra articulation on the sides of the building and maintain kind of a of the flat front facade with an articulated rib And um that's that's that's it for the the plan review. I can go back to any of these slides later on um once we get into discussion. Um department review comments. Um I didn't receive any comment from police, fire, building inspector or environmental services or 911. Um it's not expected that the address there will be any address changes. Um MLDD as typical requested electric that electrical load should be provided and DPW um had their comment that requesting existing water and sewer main and service lines be located and any proposed infrastructure be depicted horizontally and accompanied by the associated detail and profile drawings. Um it is proposed um staff comments propose the speaker classification be a type two action um because this is an addition to an existing building um and is proposing to be within all required uh dimensional criteria with the exception of the side steps which the the applicant has already received zoning board approval for. Um so therefore it's recommended that the planning board require all

department review comments be addressed by the applicant along with the following staff comments. Um some pretty minimal um and straightforward comments. Number two, the site plan should be um provided a race scale rather than um color. Number three, all property boundary depictions within the site plan should provide varying distance calls for per 360-37 in the city of code. A complete CF survey should be provided with varying distances for the site. Um number five, updated and refined dimensional criteria should be provided. Um this is just to provide a better organization and so that the dimensional criteria um is easier for the planning board to review and digest um and there's no confusion presented um when seeking that information. But it does appear that all of that information is currently provided on the site. Number six, elevation plan show exterior lighting on the proposed addition. Um however um the applicant should provide picture detail sheets. Um there's also there's a note upon those plans indicating dark that the lighting into dark side. Um number seven, provide any supporting documentation um such as easements or MLU um or well other whatever other agreements may exist for the um note to further explain and clarify the note coordinating of the neighbor um for that southwestern um property crossing to to the adjacent parking. Number eight, update and enlarge symbols um for vehicles, hydrants, water, poles, lights, etc.

Um nine, um uh recommended adding design details for sidewalk ramps um and any other pertinent um sidewalk details um where changes may be proposed. And then number 10, um if the applicant is proposing to match existing building materials and colors, um please provide a note um as such. Otherwise, provide the proposed building materials and details um for the the new edition. And that's it for staff cons. Um the just as a reminder the planning board does have a draft resolution if they'd want to deem this application complete and um accept the surn classification and um allow the sketch review to progress to detailed plan review.

Okay. supplementary information.

Um, hi this is Reverend Brooks. I'm Brooks Wash same name. Anyway, last year the housing crew came to us and wanted to expand where they were. They've got a growing congregation. They like where they are. Existing lot record, existing building. The choice was to move out of town or to stay where they are. Unfortunately to stay where they were are it took some steps. The first one was the zoning barri zoning board is a judicial process because it is a change to a law that exists. This case the existing conditions of the building. It's in an R2 zone. If you look at the aerial map there it's not really an R2. It's all big buildings and asphalt but it's an R2 zone. It has a 50% open space requirement which the existing building didn't even meet and needed a variance to go from an already non-conforming open space of maybe 32% or something down to 26% or something and needed their variance. Very pleasant meeting was where they understood the existing conditions of the way it was zone and the neighborhood and all that kind of stuff. They also wanted that church would be able to expand in the city

and granted a minor variance for the four 5% change in daily not forming coverage open space you know because like the apartment houses they don't need 50% open space they're not playing there's golf or anything on their side so that was very pleasant very smooth no problem the next step was then the spring to go to the next step of the planning review. The project got past the zoning variance. The church board decided to keep going to the next step. That's the little concept is that building on the zoning math. I just drew a little square about how big they needed to expand. Design takes time and money and they're taking a step at a time. So then we did the concept design and some sketches and then cleaned them up for the planning application showing. I like to do a storm proof building in a you know residential neighborhood and showing you know the parking and the expansion and the interior play the design comes from the functional layout of the activities of the earth name of the sanctuary time we get to space and class and all that stuff because you can't have a good design unless you know it's going to work. So the design went through the schematic instead we package the application for the planning book and the planning board review is ministerial. You're not changing or not even permitted to change any rules. You're just your duty is to make sure that the proposal design is conforming to the rules that exist or as they have been changed by the zoning which they have. So I believe this does meet all the rules. We can review them tonight. Um we um admit that the zoning board application was basically was aerial that have an approximate property line by approximate numbers and zoning board was not too

concerned about three decimal places on coverage. They know it's the process of architecture and construction. When we got to the next step and knowing we were going to be moving forward into design and into construction, our first package collection was still from the zoning board drawings and they were a little fuzzy. So, we had to take a step backwards and get a survey uh which did show property lines and boundaries and contours and all that stuff just right. It jiggled the numbers a tiny bit with the zoning board had reviewed and approved and um made it a little bit less restrictive. The site's a tiny bit smaller than they thought it was. So the coverage numbers were a little less pushing approval. So they didn't change the basis of their we got all that information going to match that type information and put it back to um the city for their review. We're hopeful that you don't find anything wrong with the application and we can get it approved. But the process here is a little different than what I'm used to. In fact, I said it's kind of I'm used to every meeting public hearing and public comment period. So the board can get whatever comments from it and it might be any time in the process. But that's something you imagine. We can go through the staff comments quickly and I'll give you the answers with all those because I think they're all real simple. Um and answer any other questions that you might have. The time frame for the church though, partly my mistake or my fault or partly the city's fault. Why should I be going back to order for six months for whatever reason? So I have the location now. These guys are trying to get the parking

lot that got him in trouble in the first place when they started grading without any zoning or planning work and without any planning. They had the zoning bill they started some law and they um said maybe building permit but he get building permit he got his plan. So anyway, that's kind of they're hoping of trying to get the parking done before winter. The time frame for the addition is next year any that's going to be a summer fall construction. Good time for contractors. I know contractors are busy. Um we've been trying to invite some plas once in a while very busy and haven't been trying to get over. So the whole construction process will take 8 to 15 months starting that anyway. So that's not so much an issue that they want to give their parking keep their parking moving season.

I think we're okay without going through all the staff comments. I think you know you were here for the premeating so you heard all that the board was discussing. I think there was maybe one point of discussion that you wanted to bring up and I don't know that there was much else. Sure. discussion. I'm used to very relaxed relationship. I'm used to this mess. So I don't believe we by the way we try to amicably work out different solutions and do have your plan B the community accept so soon.

So as far as the process goes just outlining tonight's sketch plan review. Yes I know. Okay let's keep moving. Well in this case there's a there's going to be you know you have a baseline comments. I have some comments. The rest of the planning board might have comments. That usually leads to us approving the baseline of your plan, a sketch form with comment conditions, typing the action of seeker, uh scheduling a public hearing, and that would lead to a second meeting or you submitted form

your final. Well, in this case though, we're going to find what what that is. You know in this case we can determine it as a type two action. No further action is required. In other forms it might be considered an uncoordinated or for right so the board has to make that planning and determination. Um so that's just to summarize the the you know board meeting here tonight. Um, with that said, you know, outside of this this list of comments real quickly, Alicia,

is this subject to 239M referral adjacent to state properties? That potentially. Okay. I didn't. Thank you. I did not drink that. Yeah. So that would be another referral from this board that you know in order for us to make a decision the county planning board has to make a decision. This is directly adjacent to state property. I believe that will be one of the conditions of a proton. So that be that'd be another thing between now and our next meeting would be a referral from planning department

you know or from the city to the county. Um another comment or question discussion come up as you discussed you know there's provisions within the ordinance in regards to um parking. So in this case with a site or with a site plan in the survey you've identified and it's been identified in the pre-work session that this this property is split in two. It's one tax but two but two separate parts of many parts.

It it actually references it in the survey partial one and partial. If so in this case our ordinance has like a specific provision in this regard about officer offices requiring a special use but it's more than it's many properties. Maybe maybe your surveyor they made the argument within their survey map that says partial one and partial two. zoning board their judgment based on the environment.

But again, we will need some type of response to that. Well, you got the deed that shows that it's one property. The deed references two parcels, correct? It's one the way that No, it's not. You may be referencing the the county uh GIS. You may be referencing the the Clayton County real property parcel identification. That's numbering. The deed is the determining factor. The deed identifies two separate parcels.

No, you're right. And it's never been I think it was all several properties and they're combined. Well, that's that's you don't impact multiple parcels with trying to meet the the uh standard of the zoning markets. In this particular case, I don't know if you're familiar with the evolution of how that little piece of land came about, but that was all owned by the city all the way down to Riverside. Yes. and they they offered it to the adjacent property owner. You say five parcels and file.

I think all you need to do is just identify new deed description that includes that in the main parcel and they get you there. That's what I said. You have to be as par. Yeah, I'm sorry. I not have two right now. It's one that's the simple solution. Correct. You're saying the zoning It's it's not property. It's partial. I mean, it's never had to do again, but it's also not hard. No, it's it just cleans it up.

The the other identifying parking that's not on your property, the the land to the south. Oh, that's a handshake deal with the paint. Okay. Which does it I would say your required parking has to be it can be provided in one of two ways. You can provide it on site. It is okay or you can provide it on property that you own within 500 ft and acquire a special use permit. We are saying

you don't own seven lot seven. That's those seven spaces. Tell us the 76 spaces is on this the top two parts. Tell me what this site map right what is just tell because that's just seven parking space the way it was drawn. See how this neighboring thing this is as parking this as properties of neighbor. So what are those seven parking spaces? Yeah, exactly. Nothing to do with us. That's just like this curve has nothing to do with us. That's the only correct.

That's just showing we didn't stop the drawing of the property like we showed in context. But you did on five others. This one you happen to include those parking spaces. That's just the beginning of just cutting this. So you're you're saying that you're gonna have to you have to describe to me what the the handshake deal about those additional parking spaces when they have a wedding or something. Look at the map. You bring up the first one we show acres and acres of as way more than the old days. That one.

Yeah. I mean look I mean there's look at all this. It's just asphalt everywhere. Yeah. And there's way more parking here than these guys need. And in fact, as you know, your planning board, parking rat changing. I'm lead certified. I talked for 15 years of park and I'm the dark sky lighting. I mean, you can tell it's all going to be that way. DEC there's not going to be a drop of water crossing a property line. The DOT compliments us all. We play one of those rules. You know, we make sure it's illegal for water to property line. pre-developed and post develop managed and we're only increasing the impervious area by 3500 feet of so that's going to be simple to manage it's a big aggression there's miles of out instead of these guys trying to say oh gosh let's pave some more in our front yard when they get a wedding in the funeral or something they got antic with this guy and says okay you can talk over here I'm not going to call the cops that's all it is it doesn't invol or anything

those spaces that are not. No, the 76 is pardon me. In fact, the 80 is Can you read Can you just In fact, I double check when I heard you talk. I did too. I come up with 76 including these seven spaces. No, no, no. I double check. Um, if we count these, you know, six and seven and six and 15. If you add that all up plus the four there, it's correct. I just double checked it. It's the 76 regular forehand. So we have 80 and we'll require to have 75 all we have on our five. I did talk because I heard you talking about.

So I have a question. Are with the zoning board. Are you able to request a variance to provide less parking because you have the handshake deal so you wouldn't have to further increase the improve service. We did not meet because we more than meet them to one to four ratio for those. We had more parking under this other. So total parking at one spot for every four seats. We have 299 occupants. Okay, that's one set of numbers. Yeah, we need 75.

When you look at this, it's four seats for 336. It's not This is in the 299. It's it's a different movement. Oh, this is just a Yeah. Yeah. She comes up. Excuse me. This is what we would be allowed to have. We're based on the number of spaces we have. We could have and this is an old G85. The final one is 80. We're allowed to have 38 people. I apologize that could be a typo on my

Yeah. All right. Okay. You could have based on your 80 spaces. You could have 320 people. Well, we only have 299. So, we got five extra spaces delivered. As long as you have those on site. Yes, you've answered my concern. But you have to understand when we look at different numbers Yeah. which numbers are the accurac that we need to to account for. Can you can you in trust me in the ne in the next meeting can you give us one precise

document that this is it this is right see the occupancy here 299 you know one per four you have that right there yeah which meets this

one for four section 360-26 and it didn't fulfill work and we didn't need any variance for that. What we did needance for was the open space so we could provide the park basically because we didn't have enough open space we needed to further use the open space to make some more parking there. What I'm going to ask you to do is provide us with the documentation that says, "Take my word for it. Here it is. I've just proved it." You could do that. That's too many different

one that we can read and that's consistent. That's good. But yeah, we're apart. and the neighborhood just I pardon him for that. That's being being a good citizen. You know, being a good neighbor.

I would say I would say in this case that's outside of the board. I mean that's they're not as long as those pages are not with the consideration in this plan you get along with your neighbor is cooperating with the neighbor to get a good parking removing the which that's why it shows about this it's a little so With that said, the one that doesn't pass is the section within our ordinance about the parking on two.

Well, we combine throughout the Well, I mean, I'll let you, you know, between your surveyor, maybe some discussion with the building department, which one works the best, whether it's a special use permit or it's combining the lots. I mean, that that there are different ways to approach that. [Music] the special newspaper that sounds with that stuff to to your discussion earlier. It's it's a prescriptive it's it's something you're allowed with and so on just

that's specific to the section that we talked in the free meeting 360-262 B. So, it says parcel. It doesn't say property. It says law. It says lot. What's the definition of the lot? Says law. I think that I think we've done a lot here. It's a tax number. It's a deed. That's where allow you to go back to the to the building. Okay. Discuss that further. As far as here goes, we had two lots shown on the survey. Uh has to be defined. That's I mean that's the rate. What's a lot tax.

So, we have a county planning board approval 239M. That's something be coordinated with staff. I'll check about that.

Uh, there are there as well. There's comments in here about clarifying utilities 1963. We got orange climb water. As you guys know, we do overflow water fixtures and things like that. The capacities of existing water facilities are reduced for building based on that. I I think in this case again capturing existing utilities on the planet flip to the see right there's the water there's the water line there's a solar line

so I will say that there's manholes and other things shown on these plans that don't even have connecting well that's from the survey there's no surface they're not changing they're not changing any of that I think I think that's part of it though picking that up on the plan making sure that all those vaccines are valid. The other thing uh storm water management you know we'll need some type of some type of this memo. Yeah. What is the storm water management approach? Well, it's very it's not acre service with the sea or anything like that. They said we could document the three post

that what sorry we can just document the develop post showing that it'll be retained on site which it says so in secret form the most that we have here is that it that it

so I think it'll be be very similar to like a pasta application I know that you came here for like donors and did a memo calculations. I think you actually showed storm water management where you were connecting to the city's storm sewer. Yes, that would be that would be a similar um that would be what we'd be looking for within a distance. Again, if we can solidify that plan and formalize a little better, I think that um you know, sediment erosion control during construction should we should have some level of plan that outlines and well, you got to build all that stuff.

But but we're we're responsible for giving them the plan to enforce so so That's there's no rules in your zone code. So this isn't planning. So the the plan that leaves this port goes to the building department control. We're six months away from deciding construction ling.

It's weird. for the course. We can't invest tens of thousands of dollars in construction draws before there's approval to do the project. Well, no. You you you want to build a parking lot, correct? And and you want and you want and you've already started to break ground in advance of site plan. Well, you and you want to build that parking lot. Sediment erosion control would be part of that plan. Oh, agreed. For the building permit. Oh, for the for the parking lot. where the building after that would be a plan that was required as far that's weird I never had a building level

so that would be a required planning plan board um any other comments for Yeah. I mean, I just wanted to kind of look at this like zooming out from the nitty-gritty stuff conceptually from like a urban planning perspective. What um how so if you look at the street, all of the dormitories and other buildings along the street kind of face the street. Um this building's primary entrance faced the street. And in the addition with the addition you're reorienting the face of the building to face the parking lot to the side. Typically we want to see like a a building facing the street and connecting to people in that way and being part of that urban urban facade. Right. So my question is how are you like I I was looking at these. So the street front view is is this flat wall here.

This view is not right. But you're making an addition and we're improving the urban fabric. So my question is how would you how would you address this being the how would you address the primary street frontage? Is that the front door on the side? No, no, the front door is No, the front door is facing the street. You're incorrect. Everybody tells my car. Nobody calls me. Is this on a campus? Who are the parishioners? They come by. Yeah, we have we have mixed multi-generational.

Yeah. So, you have a parking lot, but I'm just saying from a planning perspective, you often see the building oriented to the street and having a face and right now it's completely turned into the parking lot. So, I'm asking you, how would you approach, you know, making that a contributing part of the streetscape? We try to make it convenient for people to get from their car in the building. Nobody walks in the same law. say, you know, that's completely that's completely inaccurate, right? That's that's not a good attitude. I think we could say and but it would let them complicate their magic coming in in two different places and things like that.

In terms of the function of the building, would you want people that are in that sanctuary and the cafe area to be able to access their open lawn that you have in the front and kind of show life and activity? Like have you considered the role of this building in kind of activating that front area? Do you think there's value to that? It's on the street. It's north facing. It's not anywhere. Those sound like design opportunities. Those sound like design opportunities maybe, but there's been a long discussion. They don't do it now. So I'm just giving you comments

from the board. things you should consider as part of being part of a city site. Appreciate they don't do it now and they've got more of that now and they're going to have them done. I don't need something to consider in your final discussion.

Any other words? Are you considering bike racks or any other ways to facilitate alternate uses of transportation to access the building? Question. Okay. I don't think you're going there suggestion for you. Oh, we don't need more rules for anybody. Code is being updated right now. Stay down.

Nothing for me. Nothing more.

So, we do have a list uh from staff. We do have a number of additional items that were discussed as added conditions. Um those including the county planning board referral 239M staff will assist in coordinating uh storm water management uh outline memo and report consideration of how you're addressing or how the applicant's addressing special use permit requirements for offline parking. Again, number of number of item or number of ways of approaching that have been discussed about what we've read.

City attorney question. You can coordinate with city attorney if you'd like as well. Sediment and erosion control plan. Yeah. um street from architectural and design considerations. Barb, were you able to catch those items?

I believe so. I am Yeah. I guess my only thing is when you make the motion because you're not going forward with the addition now, do you need to designate that? It's appeased. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because you're not like approving anything. I don't know. That's a dumb question. It's just what I was doing. I don't I don't know.

So Alicia, does this application cover just the site improvements or is it in covering the sketch for the addition as well? It's the addition as well as the parking. So and I can go back to that statement which was included, but this would still require a public hearing. Um, as per the code, so there would to Barb's question, there would be no need to change anything within the draft, right? Yeah, I guess

there shouldn't be. Um, no. I think and maybe um maybe just some of the back and forth comments brought a little confusion, but I think just providing a clear uh resolution and uh conditions of approval will assist staff in moving it forward if that's the Okay. And were there any other questions from applicants?

Okay. I just realized [Music] and it's very important. Um so bad show says we don't have time stuff. [Music] retail PSI concrete stuff like that and then building will probably like to build yet. I don't think that's regulated. It'll be something like we sketch a monolithic sort of panelized top on that we're maintaining the president shows any speeches.

So you're generally clear on all the comments. I think I have seems like there's a lot of steps on the parking lot site. It's best to be we understand that. That's the reason the reason the chairman had asked about the sidewalk details.

Do you have elevations? Do you have smoke? Do you have residence? Do you have construction details? Yeah. And they'll they'll get that when we approve it. Okay. Yeah. You'll get it when we approve it. When you have the detail for the sidewalk so we can verify handicap compliance. You will get approval when we approve it. Driving board. Yes. Checks compliance. The site's sign appropriate. You're done. Well, you're not the only one.

So, I will say this that this planning board who approves the construction of Yes, we'll say that anyway. I don't know what planning board you go to, but most a good portion in this case, we would be normally seeing a sidewalk to be hill without issue. All right. We would normally we would normally see a sediment erosion control plan. Okay.

Without issue in this case. That's why I asked you to clear on the outline from the stat. Oh yeah, but then we didn't know it. I I will say that the last planning board application that you came through with had construction level detail. You provided storm water plan. You provided calculations. You provided the details we asked for. Complicated project. It was a Dunkin Donuts.

So in this case again I think the the And I think and I think ultimately there some additional conditions that were added in at least as uh you know clarified with you know what's taken she'll be able to offer those after the need it's just further instruction for zoning law. Okay. Um, so with that said, we do have a sketch resolution um with conditions

is one of the conditions the sidewalk thing. Are you making that clear that that's part of that's in there? I think that's already Okay, we can kind of Can I just ask one question? Now's the time. Did did we decide that they don't need to do another number number seven because you said that what they do on that lot for weddings is not our because it's not part of the required parking. I was agree. So just seven can be taken off. So if you are meeting your department already seven

we can remove. Okay. Okay. So again, we have a sketch resolution with conditions. The conditions have been noted by Marv. Do I have a motion for that? It I would like to see some indication that this frontage is going to be considered. I mean is that so I think in one of the conditions that I outlined or that I outlined was architectural consideration for

street park. Y if you have anything else to add. No that thank you. That works. So, with that said, any any other comments from the board or question? I think it's great that there there's adaptive reuse um to, you know, keep the church in the city. I think it's a great project. Agreed.

Thank you. So, do we have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve resolution uh 25-02 uh with staff comments and board updates as discussed. Is there a second? Do we have a second? Oh, I'll second. We'll call you. Yes. Rick Perry. No, with clarification. I don't think that we've been provided with the level of detail that um we can legitimately

Abby Maher. Yes. Tom Costro. Yes. Carly L. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. [Music] So, do you have other business? Um, there is other business. What's that?

So, um, I'll start with the the nice part. Um, we're more than halfway through with our review of the full draft of the zoning updates and hope to be rolling that out to the public and the council I think hopefully by midepptember I think um some dates need to be arrived at for that. Um and then um a big news um is that this this is my last planning board meeting.

So, um I've really enjoyed working with you all and I wish the board and the zoning update and the city as much success as possible. Um and um internally um so there's been a little bit of a staff turnover. Um Andrew Duran, who was assistant superintendent of DPW, um has actually been appointed and taken over the community development director position um and has quite a bit of background um in uh planning um capital projects um project management and infrastructure oversight um and um planning and um other associated uh tasks will be folded back under the community development department once again. So it won't be standalone um directly under the mayor's office as it has been for the last three years. So potentially there will be greater alignment provided that way. Um and um I do know um that um Andrew Duran as that new um community development director and the mayor have been actively seeking and may have a candidate in mind to appoint to oversee planning um projects. Um how soon that occurs, I'm not sure. I'm not part of that process. Um but just to let you know um that it's not the intent to leave um planning projects um or that review open-ended and unfulfilled.

Um so and and I do I do feel confident um while Andrew is quite busy these days, I do feel confident that he should be able to step in. Um we obviously we'll have to have a conversation with him regarding the special meeting but um that he would be able to step in and take the reigns if necessary um if there is a gap in in um stepping. So I think that's all of my news. If anybody has any questions I'm sorry um I didn't want that news to interfere with this meeting so I held off u letting you know Jim Jim knew. So you can yell at him, but um I I want

What a meeting for you to go after. Alicia, I'm sorry. Can you clarify the Are you still in the city planning position? No, I will I'm leaving the city. Okay. Yeah. My last day is this coming Friday. This Friday. I didn't answer your call last week. Well, and I I reached out to you to let you know from the climate task force

position on the agenda of leadership changes. So, um, yeah, it's you guys have been a great force to to work with and obviously as this meeting showed if if I've missed something, you definitely can step in and and keep keep things fresher forward. So, kudos to you all. Um I think you're a really well-rounded um board and offer some great perspectives and hopefully with the zoning update um if and when I'm knocking what it will get adopted um but hopefully that will create um better alignment, greater clarifications and more guidance to work from. Uh not to say that this vote is bad. Um uh I it's just there's areas that are disconnected, I think. And um through time as Jim has has worked through with me um there are elements that have completely fallen off of our our document records um such as specifications um after the last um engineering department was disbanded. A lot of information was lost. So hopefully through this zoning update, a lot of information will be restored or put in motion to be restored and fill a lot of the the gaps that we've been trying to plug the holes on for the last five years, three years since I've been here. Um, but I think you guys have all done a great job and continue as we can. So thanks. Thanks for your service. Thank you.

You may. Um I accepted a position with a town in middle Perry, Vermont. So I and I'm not moving. Um it's just a reverse commute. So I'm going 45 minutes in the opposite direction. Oh yeah. Yes. No. Uhhuh. The bridge. Yeah. So, um, on bad weather days, I'll just might be able to call in and see if they can work from home.

Yeah, that will be a nice um a lot of people driving and having to make amends really fast. I won't have So, with that said, any other questions, comments, or anything else? I'm just not sure about the whole Now that you've said you're not going to be here. My immediate panic was trying to pull together this special meeting. Sure.

Because we didn't do it last time. I'm like, "Oh, now we got to do a special meeting to try to fit in a special meeting." Other than just trying to got all these When's your last time? I got all these other applications coming in for the September meeting already. True. We're going to have the two site plans coming back. One for one now. Yeah. And then what three? I had my total tally was five with the 15 Hamilton Street. Five reviews. So it will bring it down to one returning site plan, one new site plan, and two historic site reviews. If if the 100 bridge comes back the' be three, right?

No, 100 bridges included. Well, we have two more because that came in on Friday. Well, I asked that's included. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, what it turns out to be, I'm not sure about the whole turnover changes, you know, who would step in and well, so um to answer your question, Barb, that would be an internal conversation with the current community development. That's kind of like I don't know if I will meet her need, you know. So, it's just so I don't know if Andrew has been ready to step in. I was taking off, but I was gonna have everybody we can plan around me. I have an open call to Andrew and coordination.

Yeah. Was involved. So, we'll have to talk about it. Yeah. I'm going to be all I can do to get the unit done by the end of this week. I'm off tomorrow. This all this is all but I'm off tomorrow for my daughter's birthday. I got to take Thursday afternoon off to my daughter. That's a good idea. Yeah, we can call her. Oh my god. You have a motion to adjurnn. Can we delete that?