Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Okay, it is now 601. So call the meeting to order for City of Plattsburgh Planning Board Monday, July 27, 2026. All rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge of Allegiance to apply.

A roll call please.

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Yes.

I forgot that was my responsibility for a 2nd.

Thank you. Um. So we do have a set of June meeting minutes. Again, we have a limited number of people, and there'll be a three-person roll call, but I can have a motion to accept those minutes. Okay, motion by Barry, second by Joe. Roll call, Emily?

Jim Abdalla?

Yes.

Barry Finnegan?

Yes.

Joe Mortella? Yes.

Thank you. We do not appear to have anybody here for application 26-05, 16 Macomb. Is somebody home?

There's somebody just there.

Hello. Hello. Are you here for 16 Macomb Street? Yes. Perfect timing.

Still on it. Last time I came in,

Sorry about that. I don't see anything. Um, well, now that we have someone here, we can. Emily, if you can give brief brief presentation.

Okay. So, 16 McComb Street roof replacement, the applicant requests to replace roof with in kind materials. The parcel is on our 2. The applicant and project representative is like Champlain roofing and is present. And the location is in the point historic district. In your packets, you have the building structure inventory form, which lists the home as a source. Materials and methods are the in-kind replacement with EPDM roofing material or rubber roofing. These are applicant-submitted photos. Photos are not included in your packet, but I have them on the screen. This application was sent to the county for the 239M referral and was deemed a local issue. The application was sent to SHPO, which responded that they did not have an issue with the in-kind replacement. And notes that 16 McComb is a contributing resource to the Point Historic District. I did not receive any departmental review comments for this application. For Seeker, one of the things we have to consider is if the project is adjacent to or in a disadvantaged community. This one is not. I've recommended a Type 2 Seeker action and I stay in the staff report that the applicant has submitted all necessary documentation for this application and send the board shall be complete and approve it.

Okay, thank you. If you can step up to the podium and give your name, and then you can add anything else you feel free.

Just like she said, we planned to replace it with the same material that was there. As you can see from that photo, they had a partial blow off. At that time, we went back and we secured it. It's been watertight since, but The rules compromised, obviously, and, um, the one was out there probably at least 25 years old, and it was time to replace it anyways. But. Want to make sure that to speed that process up? I guess.

Okay, anybody from the board have questions. Okay, if not, I believe the application is complete. In accordance with staff recommendations.

Yeah.

Um, we have a couple of things to run through and otherwise, uh. Should be out here in a few minutes. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um. So, with that said, um. Again, as staff indicated, we have a draft resolution 26. That's 0 5 a, um. Or seeker findings, the recommendation is a type 2 action. No further. No further findings or review necessary. So, there's not questions with that motion.

Make a motion to adopt resolution number 2605, a roof replacement as described in the application in kind materials. Motion by Kurt, do I have a second?

Yeah.

Second by Joe. Any further discussion? Roll call.

Jim Abdalla?

Yes.

Barry Finnegan?

Yes.

Joe Rotella? Yes. Carly Leary? Yes. Burt Burbisch?

Yep. We do have a public hearing associated with this, so move to open the public hearing. No, 1 in the audience to make comment. Is there anybody on clients? Move to close the public hearing them. Now, we have a draft resolution 26, 0, 5. B. Board review and approval of the application as presented.

We'll make a motion to adopt resolution 26, 0, 5 B. Replacement of the roof.

uh at 16 macomb in kind materials second i'll second that second by carla vocal jim abdallah yes barry finnegan yes joe rotella yes harley leary yes yes thank you you're all set thank you yep

Things up. Yeah. Okay. 2nd, uh, application.

Tonight application is 100 port street facility renovations and carriage house demolition. The applicant proposes interior next year changes. The request for exterior alterations include. The demolition of the existing carriage house, replacement of windows, doors, siding, repaving the driveway and new sidewalks. Parcel is owned by RH. The applicant is AES Northeast. And the location is in the Court Street Historic District. In your packets, you have the building structural inventory form. These are applicant Provided photos, this is pictures of the carriage house. And the applicant has submitted. Cut sheets of color choices and materials to be used. The application was sent to the county planning board and deemed a local issue. The applicant coordinated with ship. Oh. And and I have up on the screen here, the stipulations that were. Required in that resolution that you have in your packets. The applicant has provided documentation that they have met all of the stipulations at this point. I did not receive any city departmental review comments. This location is not in a disadvantaged community. But the board must consider if it would have an impact on at this advantage community. I've recommended a sticker on listed action. And I have recommended the application is being complete. That the applicant has submitted all they need to. and the board may proceed with approval.

Okay, thank you. I have the opportunity for additional presentation.

Thank you for inviting me to those. That question about the care task and function is a pretty great one. I mean, it is also unusable. And the Legal Aid Society provides, you know, legal services to low income people, not for profit. So it's, you know, they do not have the funds to do this renovation on their own. So to get grant funding from DASNY, you'll have to allow them to you know, use vinyl siding or vinyl siding instead of, you know, foliage to assist with maintenance of the property. Also vinyl windows because the windows that are in the building currently are not, are not original.

Okay. Does the board have questions?

Is the DASNY grant dependent on you downloading the carriage house?

It was all put in one big little package as part of it. Small ones.

And if you think there is a need for a machine. They are trying to expand services. We're actually creating a couple of new offices inside, so there are additional utilities that will be coming. That's also a part of it. Whether or not it's required as part of the grant, we would have to

Yeah, I'm just curious.

I noticed one of the stipulation conditions is salvaging of materials, which you've submitted this contact list for not for profits. I assume, like, on the top 1 had around the architectural heritage, you've probably done all your pre demolition reporting and stuff that they've asked for.

Yes.

That was 1 of their conditions if they do. Take some materials. They may be interested in obtaining a couple windows, possibly a portion of the second or facia or trim. Now we're looking for lead paint tests. So, is that. Is that followed then followed up? I'm assuming that hasn't been followed up with it.

Um.

Yes, there is . Are you asking if it's going to fall out of the seat if they want?

Part of the, I guess we probably would go with the same stipulation that Chippewa has and that stipulation was that these organizations would be contacted and given that opportunity. I see that they were contacted. It was back. February now, but 1 of their questions was about. You know, lead material, but they would be interested in some of the stuff. So I wasn't sure whether that's been followed up on and. Closed out.

So, we can follow them and let them know if there is that they would still want.

Yeah, then we can, if that can be documented, even, I mean, it's up to the board, even if that's a condition that that documentation is submitted. Then we can put it on file and that that's. Yeah, well, at least the people that were interested, there was some were some. Yeah.

Yeah.

okay they do want something sounds good any other questions in regards to that condition if not the the second condition i saw was like they wanted a scan of your property i'm assuming that's photos and maybe even like 3d scanning Okay, is that something that you can also submit to the city to put on our website?

Okay. Yeah, I think that was on the Shipple website.

I took a look at it.

Did you?

Yeah.

Okay. As long as it somehow is codified within the city's records with the property. Okay. Even even if it's a letter with the link, and then it's something on file.

Okay.

Yep. Any other questions in regards to that? I mean, I get once again, my, my thought is that we document at least the 2 conditions that under stipulation and if the board's an agreement. That we sort of agreed to the same conditions. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

Okay. Yeah.

The last item I had a question on was in the application. There's a short form seeker submitted, which is an uncoordinated review. We would be doing our own review. Is that all that's required in terms of the project, even though. It's state funded and other involved agencies. I mean, I don't know that that's I mean, we don't have any conditions that stop us from doing the review tonight other than we did it and you ended up with an issue when you come back and. We'd have to review.

Yeah, as far as I understand it, the planning board is lead agency. Right now for this application, so you have. The authority to make a decision on if you feel a full. Form is required over short form. And this project does not meet the scope that would trigger a type one action. So it would totally be up to the board whether you wanted to do a full environmental review form or the applicant submitted a short form.

yeah. Would you rather us proceed with it and we have to reverse course after. You know, because needed a coordinated review within their environmental. Rules is that fine?

Yeah.

Okay. So, any other questions from the board. Okay, if not, I guess we have a couple couple items to review very similar to the last application. Um. In this case, we have a draft resolution. Twenty six. That's zero six. A. We do have a short form seeker provided. I don't know. I apologize. Did you. Did you have anything else any more questions?

Okay, I actually do have just 1 quick call. Okay.

Are the properties on each side of it? Are they residential?

Uh, the 1 on the red building has to be. Less side of the location right now is a doctor's office. Okay. We have our physical therapy building and the other side and student housing.

OK, just because you said that it says that you're going to add additional lighting in the parking lot, you're going to take down the carriage house and then put lighting up. I think making sure that it's like dark skies compliant or pointing down just so that it's not. Yeah. Into their house. OK, absolutely.

Good question.

OK.

so again we do have a draft resolution a part one seeker um emily do you have a part two to review with us yes okay so the way this will work is i will read uh the 11 points and if the board pat thinks that the impact will have a moderate to large impact they must speak up so if no one says anything i'll move on to the next one Will the proposed action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulations? Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of the use of land? Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that cause the establishment of a critical environmental area? Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking, or a walkway? Will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? Will the proposed action impact existing public or private water supplies or public or private wastewater treatment utilities? Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources?

It's a yes.

Will the proposed action result in an adverse change to natural resources like wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, and fauna? Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health?

I have a question on that one that I should have asked earlier, but it's a question for you. You said that there is lead paint in the carriage house. I'm just curious how you handle that in a demolition.

Okay. Okay. Pieces. Yeah. They have to use HEPA filters like that and stuff.

Okay.

But they won't be doing that in this case.

They won't be scraping because it's just being demoed. And then where does that material go? Does that need to go to a hazardous waste landfill? It does. Okay.

Okay.

So there's the van contractor and then there will be a project monitor. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I'll just read that last one again. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? So now that number eight was voiced as moderate to large impact may occur, the next step would be to explain why a particular element of the proposed action may or will not resolve in a significant adverse environmental impact. Please complete Part 3. Part 3 should, in sufficient detail, identify the impact, including any measures or design elements, that have been included by the project sponsor to avoid or reduce impacts. Part 3 also explained how the lead agency determined that the impact may or will not be significant. Each potential impact should be assessed considering its setting, probability of occurring, duration, irreversibility, geographic scope, and magnitude. Also consider the potential for short-term, long-term, and cumulative impacts.

So I can just explain why. I mean, we have SHPO that says it will cause adverse impact. And so I think we want our documentation to show that we noted that comment. And then in the application, we note that the applicant is maintaining the historic features, architectural features of the building, such as the cornices and the peak and those things, and that the replacements, replacements is the wrong word because it's not, the rehabilitation is not using in-kind materials, but those materials were approved by SHPO and DASNY. And so we're following that documentation. I just think it's right. We want our documentation to align with the state documentation.

I think the applicants also come to a stipulation or an agreement with SHPO Uh, with a couple of mitigating factors that they are willing to implement.

Yeah.

You know, which we are also considering to add on to our yes. Yeah.

So, maybe what we should do is have. There's room here if you want to write those bullet points. And then Jim can sign it and then we'll have a documentation done.

Can those bullet points say, please see. Resolution, right? That's the ship of resolution. Uh, for their grant number.

Yeah, I think so.

Okay. Yeah.

What do you think Jim?

It's fine with me. I think once again, I think the application documents, the mitigating factors that they've. presented to answer that question.

Yeah. I just don't think we want our documentation to say no adverse impact when there's been noted impact. Yeah.

Right. Because after that's listed, we can check one of two boxes here. Check one box if we've determined based on the analysis that we're not going to proceed with a full environmental assessment review. Check the other box if we've determined that.

Yeah. So I'd say like, I don't know, exhibit a DASNY grant number 27198 and OPRHP project number.

Nicely done.

Yeah.

Did you smell my coffee?

Yeah. Sorry.

And I did find the email from Aaron Allison that documents that there was a phone call and a conversation. And Shippo abandoned their recommendations. Yeah.

So, then again, we would advise that we'd not be checking. We would be checking the box that no further environmental reviews. Correct. Yes. Correct. And then the other only other thing I would know is that. We would need to change item. In the resolution 1 of these items in the draft resolution. I'm like, can you read the, the item again that we said, yes.

The historic will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural or aesthetic resources.

we read that resolution and defining that yeah yeah yeah so on page two of the resolution yeah okay underneath the check boxes for type one type two and unlisted The first resolved is okay. The second one says, resolve that the city planning board has reviewed the community development officer's recommendations and supplemental documents referenced above. Does hereby find and determine that the project does not, and then A is involve a substantial adverse change. Oh no, but that's about air quality, ground or surface water quality. It's not that.

I'm not finding the one that actually- Right, right, right. The closest is impair the character or quality of the neighborhood. yeah you're right so maybe with with that said there is nothing to j impair the environmental characteristics of the area or i might i might say that you add to the add to this re you know adopt resolution as it is but add a statement that you did find Okay, one item as a yes. Completed it's completed part 3, Emily of the.

This is part of writing right?

Yeah, we completed part 3. The document why are mitigating tactics and Dean so further further better amount of view. Kurt, if you have a good write-up, do you want to make a motion?

Yeah.

I'm making all the motions tonight.

OK. So I will make a motion. Are you ready, Emily? For a motion?

Sure.

OK. Make a motion for Resolution 2606A, but with an amendment. And the amendment is to add two resolved clauses. The first resolved clause would read resolved that the project does carry adverse impact to historic structures and the historic character of the district. However, and then as the second resolved, based on analysis and agreement from the New York State Office of Parks, Rec, and Historic Preservation and the New York State Dormitory Authority. That adverse impact will be mitigated by the two mitigation clauses, which I'm not thinking of right now. The documentation, the photographs, and the second the salvage of materials or outreach to regional organizations who may be interested in salvaging materials.

Correct.

Yes.

Okay. Sounds good. I'm sure Emily wants your notes. They are incomplete, but I will get them. Do you have a second?

I'll second that.

Okay, so motion biker 2nd, by currently.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep.

Hey, we do again have a public hearing associated with this application. So I'll move to open the public hearing. No, 1 in the audience with added public comment. Anybody online. Okay, we'll move to close the public hearing. Now we have a draft resolution 26-06B. Again, we have talked about a couple of conditions. Further contact and documentation with the not-for-profits or local agencies in regards to salvage. And then Either a copy of the scan or a link to. Allow that information to become part of city, you know, the city file. For the property, those were the 2 conditions that I, I had noted. Anybody else has other other things. Lighting in the parking lot in the parking lot.

Making sure that it is not. Like, causing adverse impact. Dark skies compliant preferred, but. I don't know if we're allowed to make that an interest in relations.

Okay, so those are the 3 conditions not hearing anybody else with any. Items and have a motion and whoever makes a motion wants to. Be specific on the conditions.

Sure, I can do it. I'll make a motion to accept resolution 26-06B with the stipulations that the applicant is going to follow up with the regional organizations that expressed interest in some of the salvage materials from the demolition of the carriage house. they will provide a copy of the building scan that they are going to be providing to SHPO. They'll give the City of Plattsburgh copy or access to that scan. And the additional lighting in the parking lot will not have an adverse effect on their neighbors.

Thank you. Do I have a second?

second by joe roll call jim abdallah yes barry finnegan yes carly leary yes kurt hervich yes thank you very much yeah thanks for the great work you provide to the community yeah do you want any of these

OK, I'll keep one for the file and then.

Yeah, if you ever use that.

Can I actually keep one? I know. Could I keep another one? I use them with students. Yeah, thanks. No, two is probably good. I don't have enough storage space. It's great. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other business? Outside of what we talked about, the zoning, the potential rezoning may be considered by the Common Council in September.

Yes.

And then potentially after that, re-referred to us maybe October. That. Right. Okay.

can i ask a question about that when you say it's referred to us is that something we would do at a meeting or that's something we would you just send to us and we would look over on our own i'm not sure on that actually okay um i'm not sure on the official adoption process if the board will have to make any kind of official motion

Okay, so I'm trying to help.

Okay.

It's going to depend on how the council refers it to us. I mean, honestly, we have seen applications that either the council sponsored or. They've asked for our opinion where they've asked us to officially. Boss, I don't know that. There's another where we haven't officially responded and it's been just more of a referral to. individual board members which again that's only happened once so that i know of if it's revert okay so it would be looking for official approval right it's a recommendations i think you know we don't approve or deny it it's just they're asking for our recommendations can we can we ask for a presentation

Yeah, I think you're saying before it is officially adopted.

Yeah, it's going to be referred to us that we have someone come and. Present, and if we have questions, or.

That's going to be very difficult to do.

Could we get on zoom can we get a zoom presentation?

i'll ask i think it's because it'll cost money it will cost a lot of money but also um our next planning board meeting is september 25th and the council meeting is september 17th and i know that has a very busy schedule he's he's presenting to them on the 17th correct and that's open we could go correct that's september yes okay But I have asked him. To do a, after the fact. What changes the board will be seeing or have to work through it through. After the zoning is passed and for the as well. So we'll start seeing special use permits. So he hopefully can do that for us. 1 day training.

so i guess ultimately if if uh the next board meeting our next board meeting is august 24 24th i guess if it's more if it's official that um the zoning is going to be presented to the council if we can know definitely or is that definitely on the schedule now for september

It's not 100%, but it's like 99%.

Okay. But by our August meeting, we ought to know. There's going to be a public presentation of zoning on such a time. Then we can prepare accordingly to attend.

Right. Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

all right well uh i guess a motion to adjourn make a motion to adjourn all in favor aye yeah okay thank you i think you only need a motion okay thank you