Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

o may no lik to hear this b I would rather b collaborating with t develop and zonin committee th wants t bui somethin Excuse me wou like to bui somethi worthwhi inste of ju a enclav of 5 upp incom people I we're going t los historic ope land, w should pu it goo use I previo meeting, th committ had go o of it way t thank th applicant a t developer for th alleg attempts t wor with th neighbor W tha the The stand mak million from th developme when th should b thanking you Wha has no bee said i thanks th neighbo trying work for the benef of al Every on of u stands actually lo mon a val fro this. Ye we ha tried t work in the interes of the development Despit thi los we don' want t sto progres jus meaningles development Countless hour have be spent with t developer and the onl accommodation is a f trees an fence In the en thi remains a about t mon f th applicant for t develope million a maybe for few others a wel 2 I' just ahe a wrap th u with m o persona perspectiv I've grow up Plan and hop t live Plan for a long, lon tim I want t be the future o Plano This to just seems to a waste of lan What about th bobcats, t grous coyotes rabbit etc that wi b displaced eve pushe int neighborin yards t endanger ou cherish pet Please reject thi pla Urg t applicatio t urge th applicants t put t property the ope market, a hopefull thi land ca b developed in way tha gives th churc and t community larg benefit. Ea Pla i an aweso place t live. W don't ne 5 mor expensi homes. You can wra it up for us Thank you Thank you ver much S I presu b tha that i you dad, Ph Langley,

that correc Yes. Okay So he won't b here tonigh N Okay great. Than you Oka Next w hav Rebec Smith followed by Joh Jacobson, followed b Scott Fento H I Rebec Smith a actually liv i Douglas a 10 Avenu A some h poin mak sense. Th tru i there are a l of kids like m child who' 3 w want st her a affordabl housin isn availab now Ye t develop i tryin t wo withi making th are lo sti nic Make th ran stil adher t tha are o Plano. B I'l b hones o kids w hav graduat would li start homes Thi cou end givin chance fo some of t peopl to mo i a ha som start homes a so of the oth areas Plano, becaus the als want raise thei kid her and can move out of the parents hou yet bu they don't mak minim wage think it's opportunit And jus want say, f the people who a opposing it, I fee like th Coyote shoul b les importan than th graduates who a n bac home an wanting sta have place b That's wh I wante to brin u Thank you Tha you ve muc M Jacobso We

ha Joh Jacobso followe b Scot Fento followed Ray Parker Goo evening. On agai My name i Joh Jacobson. live 391 Rid T Lan pa o P 173 I'm 40 ye Plan resident an I'v als live in th are f mor th 20 year and I'v owned th propert f almos 3 year And I here ask you postpon thi approva I kn we've been through thi a number of times but tak issu with th transitiona. Lo of th plann development ar t small Firs I like sho you. Th transitiona lot that ar currentl available o P 1 acro from where live Ridget a o acr transiti lot for Non-separate transitiona lots. hav two acr lot along Merrim oka A here's th 14 acr tra tha we're talkin abo tha butts u agains t eas e o P 1 no cit sta told yo earlie the lot a S nin okay that' 9000ft That' poin t acres Tha i fiv time les tha t transition lot that ar acro fro me th a separate by stree a t time les i siz than th on tha abu directl t P

17 What sugge i i tha each o the transitiona lot be minim o a half acr That onl y hal o what experienc o ridgeto estate wit stree separator You'll note tha the lot also have stree separator so I not tryin to unreasonab her I tryin to kee t zonin consisten wi m are T cit When th d Sto Hollow wa ver considerat wit providing thos transitiona lot They di t same wh Merrima w develope And i tha cas they made t acre lot Wh I trying d i establis simil buffe arou o large l hom i 1 a questions S so ur you t t postpon this an give hi chanc t increase these l siz t somethin mor appropriate f transition A right Tha you ve muc Appreciate yo comi out Nex we ha Sco Fent followed R Parke followed b Bri Epley My na is Doct Sco Fenton. reside a 401 Kit Meado Driv i Plano As publi servan mysel as chaplai fo t Pla Police a Fir department I wan t thank yo f you volunte service It's part what makes o city a o sta and o nati great A kno y ar n paid fo what you' doin tonight s thank y f yo service won repea the message delivered t y la month but do want t remi you tha I've be

reside of Ea Pla f ove years a I'm a origina memb of th Sto Hollo residentia neighborhoo Tonight, simply wa t reiterat m passi t serve an suppo t people Eas Plan o neighborhoods o school and o businesse believ thi recommendatio f rezoning wil strengtheni o Ea Pla culture a communit believe we ne ne families, n neighborhoo an n student f t fueling t vibranc of Ea Plan A example of th nee for reinforce suppo i t declin of ou Pla I studen enrollmen Over th pa 1 consecuti years with drop nearl 800 student Th decli led t t closu of two o o o Eastsid schools in t pas yea Eas Plan has gre heritag b als want gre futur That East Pla Pri l o chur t partn with Ji Dougla loc develop locate rig her i Eas Plan M Dougl h validate tha trust i h consiste efforts t mee wit list t a respo to th concerns of o neighbors H willingness to go ba to the drawin boa multipl tim t wo towar compromis a consensu i commendable a eviden tha h is concern Ea Pla residen a neighb himself N just corporat developer Eas Pla has rea nee a Dougl Properties has giv u great pl in th P proposa for th Meadows Bro additio

ur you t vot y tonig fo thi rezonin proposa Thank yo ver muc Thank you Ne we ha R Parke follow b Bri Epley follow b Tim Richard M name i R Parke resid a 2101 L Rio Plano Texas I' 35 ye resident t Lo Rio neighborhoo I'll tr no t g over th thing I sa a o las meeting b havi see t man changes i Ea Pla and tak pri in the area th we live i see opportuni availab f a unus secti o propert B able t b turne int vibran neighborhoo A yes while it's onl 5 houses and d nee mor student a thos 5 houses ca provide thin eve opportunity t develo unuse lan t f sing famil u i somethi that in th city' bes interest And you kno w y know, comme M Douglas a th chang he' made an comi bac wit a P developmen tha plann developmen tha memorialize all th changes he' made satisfy so of th concerns th counc had o t las time A wou aga urge yo t vot yes o thi becaus I thi it' in the be interes o Eas Plano. An again Ech Docto Finn, want t thank a of you all fo your time a volunteer to sit on the board and listen

these issue W appreciat that and thank y for you time Tha you ver muc Next, hav Bri Epley followe by T Richard Goo evening. I' Bri Epley I liv a 4 Peg Lan i Plano Texas Thank you fo allowin me spea again Jus reminde we mov m famil her almos five yea a a w looked fo bette pla t finis raising ou famil A Eas Plan is wh we wh w chose We'r blessed t b her W ha fou fantast schools fantasti par distric fantasti churc a we' very happ to her But in th almo five years we've bee here, we hav notic som declin And whi thi plan wi n addre all o tho need it sta rig n i sit that la i doi no good fo anybody With th rezoning, could sta to ma differenc So ask y pleas approve thi zonin change Thank y f you tim Thank yo sir A last have Tim Richards Goo eveni commissioners. My name T Richards. I resid a 430 Pegg Lan i Plano which i with t Creeksi Estat numb t subdivision I've live there f 3 years Our ho is very clos proximity t subje property t rezoni petitio would lik say, as 4 yea veteran o the tit insuran industr keenl awa and

apprecia propert owner trying t protect the proper values an esthetics I ge tha it' m understanding that t t propos l siz n a commensura a proportiona to t lot T l siz within t sto hollo addition They ar als large than t lot within th Merrim additio which i al directl across th stree And jus bas o t propos pla Dougl propert seems hav mad numerou concession t appease t homeowne i Ran Estat a Ston Hollo all o which see to be h financi detrimen s wou would li to poin tha out There also There a n stree connecti thi propose development to th ran estates goi through t ranc estates s I havin difficul seeing ho thi rezoni wil have an negativ impa o ran estates believe th uniqu character o th Ran Estat development will b preserved als believ in th developer Dougla Propertie H longevit a h excelle reputati c easily research a confirmed a I urge y t d tha I'v heard previou meetings ma concer abo peopl voicing thei concerns wi regar t potentia problem wit traffic, wi school, wit emergen firs responder wit drainag Al these whi matters hav be present to th cit i

order obtai the approva whic they ha given A s closing belie thi t rezoning, th rezonin application is in th best interest o t entirety the Ea Plano This need to viewed i light o t many ne famili that wi provide muc need support bot economic an otherwise f o communit thank y f you time, and wou als lik t invite t peopl that ar i suppor o thi zonin approva t stand a thi tim Tha yo Tha you for you comments A any oth register speakers this item No, sir. Okay W did have two tha wer it' o o b since y g a chance to spe effectively on one yeah, w J Douglas a t applicant an the Rebec Smit Correct Oka All right And I'll close t public hearin reser comments t commissi commissioners M Bronsk have question fo Mi Woods Mis woods, than you ve muc Durin one of th speaker M Langley comments h made referen this bein historica property. we ha a record a kind dat o informatio suggestin tha there' historica Aspect th cas S t subje proper i n heritag resour designati for t city o Plano A that's th

exte o m knowled f it being histori Do yo hav anything to ad M Bel Oka No, have indication tha it histori o eligible fo histor certification by t city Oka Yeah, jus i was brought and I wanted make sure I kno Plano, w striv t hono o history. And wante to b cle tha that wer clea o t historica aspec of tha Thank you, Mi Woods Mr Brounof thank you chairman Thinking ba on th history of this case it was firs propose to as s development wit 6000 square fo lot and w hea opposition to tha proposa base on th fac the lot were to sma i relatio t ran estate T applica h modified the pla He' n proposin S sev wit 7000 an 9000 fo lot A we' hear som oppositio tonig alleging, dependi on th speake eithe that they'r to sma o they're t big Which just goes show tha whatever w do with thi cas yo can mak everybo happy So think tha leaves us in th position of trying do what we thin is the right thin I do no t strong support for t project from the membe of the church It the propert and I think th have a fundamental rig to to develop i als thi that general speakin a developmen tha propose y know reasonabl designe sing famil hom is goo thing. I builds neighborhoo creat vibranc I bring in peopl who hav pride of ownershi i the homes don't se a negativ impac whatsoev o ran estates

There n roa communicati with Ran estates The will screening on the Weste property line of th development to separat it fr ranc estates. thi ran estates wi always there I don' think it's going anywhere I don't think it being harmed in a way Excus m And don't thin there anythin essentiall negativ o poisonou Y kno abo a home o on 7000 squa foot lo Now, wi regard t three ca garag Requirement, I mean, I n unalterab opposed it. don't thi it's strictl necessa either. Th botto lin is I think it' a minor issu S with withou requireme f som three ca garag homes, an knowin tha h could bui thre c garag hom o any o thes lot if th buy reques i I'l be fav of this pla Tha you Mr. Al Thank you M Chairma Echo, a lo o what Commissioner Brunn sai jus said a actuall Like keep tha stipulati under thre c garag becau it' examp o worki together with you neighbo t determin what yo wan especially in yo backyar S agai it' doe nothing from lega perspective o what ha yo b tha that's like th example couple of things especially this da and ag a opportuni f us manag growt a developmen within th cit in a wa tha i thoughtfu i consideration with t

neighborin homes businesse take int account and wha have you, I thi it's opportunit W d W almost have a obligation sei wh we ha tha thi thi plan as set a it si righ now allow us to d tha It a example like I sai t executi of plan partnershi wit t larger, larg community It' bee it's marke differenc fro where cam fro actuall pleasant surprised a h mu groun h bee mad You know we' bee i cas whe there' almos n giv betwe develope a neighbo S thi moveme i I think o tha needs b acknowledge A lastly from housi marke perspectiv a w manag Plano's growth to mor matur city o of th thing that need t d i essential uncl t pipelin tha allow folks wh a sitti i starte hom w cou possib affor Homes tha a more what's th wor at high pri point b t availability does no exist thin i one thi tha mak ou cit les affordabl becaus everybody i kind li stu i place a there movement t pipelin an 5 homes i n goi to be th gre unloc permanently Bu it's goo sta t mov folks throu t syste And wi tha I I'm i fav approving And wou i yo a okay wi i have a couple oth speakers before

yo S hold th thought Commissioner Ton Thank you Mr Chairma And want answer t one o t speaker regarding that tha w thank th build las time. thi we need to tha all t participants Whoev show toda o in la tim We ar real appreciat it. A know h hard is fo everyo t be he for thi whol evening t listening t list t everybody opini their whe they' comin from Everybo h the background and the understanding of th issue A your inp i importa t us, fo u t understand th issue for u t do th rig thi for the city a for the citizens S we thank you f that M onl concern thi can s tha everyone' tryi to t rig thing An apparentl thi i a goo thin tha happeni to Ea Plano. A we wan t revitali t east si o t city d hav o sma concern that I wan t a Mis Wood regarding t setback don' remember th w h t si yar setba five fe fr las tim A b I d remember las tim someo mentione there's minim requirement fro the One of th houses t ran estat, li 150 or somethin 180ft Th building ha to t minimu distanc betwe tha building t t nex building has b I c remembe 150 or 180. if we d t side ya setba five fe o t ro o house on th Wes sid woul tha p a house i compliance o sorry o o

compliance If th bui a the way up t the five fe li of th setback S I n exactl sur of th restrictio of th 150 or 180 fo setback that wa mentioned can d som more researc bu a far as c tel I w not ab t fin setba f th unles Mis Woods, if thi I can clarify tha for you becau fro from t presentation las meeti and agai tonight m understanding is that there 100 foo setback fr the neighborhood. An that' why the develop i proposing th 15 fo setba on t Wes Sid because t 15 foo plus th right of way, pl the 20 foot landsca buff protect tha 100 foo setback that doesn infringe on th neighbo any mo than already doe right right. So total understand that. I thi that's a great thi for the developer do that B sin w have th sid yar setba five fe fo eve lot right S i i possib tha the d bui it t t setback I thi that's that' why I asked t question earli abo abo him showing 15 foo setback And wou wou suggest th i w are t appro thi tonight, that th b part of the motio that we that w put thos setbacks th are shown h site pl i t P Okay that woul be suggestion Oka Tha you. Al right M Bel just clarif tha setba is fo accessor buildings. just want to clarify that i t 100 fo requireme and estat developmen And the if th Commission would like add stipulatio abo a increas setbac staff wou recomme langua that th minim sid ya setba adjacent stre b 15f That'd be t langua consistent with oth sectio of the ordinance Okay, even Los Rio Oka A

righ Commissioner Lingenfelter S W m a Mr Douglas here jus a second. Sit tight Commissione Lingenfelter Oka wel maybe need g M Douglas inpu first but w actuall going to ma tha motion wit that One o the I know tha Commissioner Alley wante to make t motio but I I d want to a tha stipulation felt because knew th 100 fo accessory remembe that fr last ti a wel S that's why kept aski abo th w obvious didn' want to tak ten fee fro tha 100. Y know, if mov it fr 15 now n we' encroachin we're going to b causing that issue wit 100 fo dea S wanted mak motion wi tha stipulati 15 least o the Wes Sid An the I d lik the idea havi at least ten fe on the Lo Rio B 1 would b eve better B we'll s wha M Douglas sa i he's able co up. A l m a clarifyi questio fro staff t bas zoning, wha wou t setback o L Rio T issue tha t applicant is currentl proposing commo ar l between t furthes Ea l a L Rio Boulevard so t sid yar setba i t interi lot o five fe o thos interio lot It's no technicall a corne l the being a common are They're proposing commo area lo for th subdivisi wal that' five fee i width O So so it' effective you g fi foo commo are a then ten foo setback Correct. effectivel it' still t 15f fr t property li of th trac Is that wha you'r telling me I i That wha they'r showing Yes I we se 15 fo yar adjacen t to

stree and the wante y wanted tha effecti fro L Rios the t corne l would need t HOA Lot would either ne to have a 1 foot setback, or the would need to incorporat that into their l with an easement f wall maintenance to me t 15f Nice Got i Instead o having dedicated lot it could be a easement for wall maintenance Correc Oka Is th something th we would have t clarify in a motio or is that somethin that could fix fin pla wou advise to ask t applicant if that's somethin they're the c accommodate in thei desig W ca we coul get mor custo th tha i neede b with th languag propose that woul b t effec M Dougla wou you didn' recognize th five fo common ar a lot I gue I didn't catch th on the pla whi on ou sit pla jus five fo for t ten, and the there' 15ft t wes So th Wes i facing th house o 15 bac a actuall 1 bac L Rios total Would it work t same to you i it was a fiv foot wall maintenance easeme as opposed to five foot property lin However y want t do it I mea t H maintenanc you H wil mainta tha five fe becau sometime homeowner jus don't quit tak care that. O that's outside t fence Yes Five foo i outside the fence Ye Oka Got i Oka A righ Commissione Bende stat Sta close Thank you Thank yo Chairma jus want t Pil on, I guess wi Commissioner All abo hi h u o thoughtfu and and appreciate th resonan coming o tonig becau thi is a example o everythin th happe today i next somethin right of wher w

are i Plano S wha we tr t focus i thoughtfu development o thoughtfu redevelopmen S I thi thi is goo examp o tha S Than y sir M Lawle wanted clarificati about th fences. S o L Rio w ha t woo fence Right And on t wes sid we have t meta fence Before had t masonr fence S why i thi change Becau thi t like som o t residents o th estat mention tha the didn wan the pets g throug o lik s can the us t mason fence a then wi som opening f drainag t mason fen is no propos anymore S if th were to mason fence it woul nee t be revis concep pla B as fa a t desi changin t met fenc S t screeni f t masonr fence w providi screenin There's n going t be landscape buffe f screenin wit t met fence But f a jus changing th desig that woul nee to something t work out wi th applicant So understand th like no w hav the met fence wit t two foo landscap buffe A befor w like they ca jus bui t masonr witho t landscape. thoug that the d hav th landsca last ti too S before it wa mason fen with n requireme f tre in t 20 fo landsca buffe No it's landsca edg wit with t and met fence Okay Tha you Commissione Lingenfelter I don know anybody el wants t speak, but I wa I was prepared make a motion everybody's ready. I w going to wrap i

up with a coup of comments, and th I'll be happy t turn it over you. I do wan to thank the resident for coming out, eve those that are oppose to it, because think, at least t m fro where w started where w are today even t residents tha a oppose to it, I hop would acknowledge that th is a substantially differe project than the o you were first show d comme everybo involv f a against i for workin togethe t t t find solutio w taugh early m caree that wh yo negotia something, everybody walks o equal happy an unhappy, th we' accomplish something And thin w might have examp of that her S I kno it's no perfect The i no perfect answe f everybo involved b I d belie tha th thi proje h h seen significa change fr t firs o that h problems with a wel wit house backing to th neighbo a havi bac windo that look over t neighbor's fence And th was n m fir my firs choice I w wasn't, didn't lik it. I'll b hones d belie thi answe most t concern tha that originally hea in th fir meetin whe t proposa w presente abo l sizes abou peopl looking int m yard abo all o those thing And do believe the develop ha accommodated lot of thos concerns And and s do want comme everybo involve everybody for a again it and people th might have changed thei mind in the proces for working together t try to find som common ground Wi tha sai h sideb he wit M Bel t as consideratio tha w cou t language that could b consider tonight i it wa the. If it w the Commission' prerogativ w to ha fiv fo setba fro t stree

righ o w o adjacen streets. Is that di tha accompli tha have tel me exact the wordi that you think woul accomplis t 15 fo on bo end S it' b tw additiona stipulation One woul b minim side ya setba adjacent street which wou b 15f Th second woul be minim setbac fro L Rio whi would al b 1 a that wi that optio they coul do a comm are lot, they could d an easement. It doesn' matter. Just the buildin itself has to separated from Los Rio by 15ft. Right o way line right way line. Correct Oka okay S whoev wants t jum in Commissione Lingenfelte Okay, mov tha w appro th ite a recommend b a recommended staff along wi t stipulation of 15 fo sid setba on th wes si next to stree a then 15 fo setback fro the righ of wa line Los Rios on t east Side I tha oka Commissioner all, seco Commission Brounof Oka Al right Any oth comment Seeing non pleas vot Moti approve eight 8 to It o conce pla Commission Brons move approv agend ite o a recommende b Sta Commission Lol secon All righ We ha a motion a seco any any comments Commission Bru to conditione o counc approval of o yea that's pa of th recommendatio Oka Yeah. Al right A right

Commission W have a moti and second. Please vote Moti passe 8 to Thank y everybo f bei patie with thi process I know we'v tabl this a number times and y'a kep coming. So thank yo f participating Tha yo Item tw A a two B, if yo please read those togethe Agen ite two request t rezo 7 acres o land o of th Hen B Mille Surve Abstra numbe 6 locat on th east si o Communication Parkwa 700 nor of Spri Cree Parkw in th city Plan Colli Count Texas Fr commercia employment pl developme 4 commercia employment a establish developmen standar f mid-ri residential Presently zone commercia employment an locate within th Dalla Nor Tollwa a Expresswa Corrido overla districts, th petitioner a B famil Partne L a Chrom Interest Limited Thi ite is fo legislati consideration Agen ite number tw Sprin Cree Additio blo o lots on throu thr 5 mid-ris residentia uni a profession gener administrati office thr lo o 13. acr locat on th eas side o Communications Parkwa 700 nor o Spring Cree Parkway Zon commercia employment a located withi th Dalla Nor Tollw Overla District, t applicants are b famil partne a interests Apologie Chrom Interes Limite Thi item f administrati considerati pendin agend item numb t. goo eveni commissio My na i Mol Corre lea planner with the plannin Department T boundaries th zonin cas item t a show her It' approximate 7. acres A the t

proceedi ite agend ite tw i 13. acres a encompasse large area th boundary. So I wante to point that o at the start Th associate prelimina sit pl a conce pla is shown o documen T preliminar sit pla porti is pha one o t development which fiv story 60 fo mid-ri residenti buildin show her o t sit It' th sit alo communication an the past th goi eas begins t conce porti concep pla portion o t plan whi is 120 foo 2 stor mid-ris residenti building for pha two And th thi nex page, I going sho pha three whi i not par o t zoning case but is par of th conce pl documen a is fo 2 stor professiona offic building but again is no a pa of the zonin reque i on shown in t conce pla It B t reque tonight fr t petitione i that th ite is n y complet is n y finishe throu revi wit staff However, th petitioner i requestin feedba from th commissio befo committin t furth revision S tonight t petition is no requestin any so o approva o anything fro t commissio They're jus requestin f feedba befor continuing for furthe revisions Staff i recommending denia but we' we'l tou on th later T reques o thi item is t establis new pla developmen P 4 within th Commerci Employmen Distric all mid-ris residenti as permitt u wit modifi developme standards Th fir phase is fiv sto mid-ri residenti buildin and th 20 stor mid-ris

residentia buildin will phas two A as mentioned phase three i f professiona office b i n include as part o the zoning reques Th i i withi t employme cente categor of th Futur Lan U map a talk about i t Comprehensiv Pla T Employme Cente categor applie to th busines centers an t legac are and tho alon Pla Parkway a t g . Th prima use f employme cente are thing such a corpora offic campuses education institutiona use as we a medica centers a researc facilities A t categor explicitly states tha residentia development o residentia uses ar n appropriat within thes center I order t ensur th the citie cit h ability attract a maintai employme generatin use S th request i inconsisten with t descripti o the employment cente category. A residentia use a identifie as n appropria withi the area T ensur thi t ensu that have th ability t generat employmen generati use A it' als inconsistent with th employment cente recommend mix use because t recommended mix o uses do no recommend a sort residential uses. It' purel supposed to employmen S base o t desirab characte definin elements, th proje i n meeti abou half them. T ones th a it i meeting wou b th buildin heigh a well th passi ope spa requiremen which i specifi to t employmen cente generati use I doesn ha any sor o residenti us recommended S passi op spa is mo consisten with tha futur lan u m

category However i als doesn' account f any sort residentia being allowed and th site providi a amp amount o structure parking So it' meeti those But i regards what it's n meetin it's not meeti t densit because w don recommend an sort densi he because it' residential It als isn meeting t intensity based on th l coverage n is meeti the bloc pattern i streetscape becaus w wou recommend t mixe u conte stree desig But we'l tal more about street desig later in m presentation as wel T request n meeti t undeveloped lan polic redevelopment and Growt Manageme one or th Facilities a infrastructur poli within th Comprehensi Plan A this due t t reques f residenti use in th are n bei consistent wi t comprehensi pla th propose 20 stor multifamil buildin i pha tw means that th reque partiall complie wit Redevelopment Grow Managemen Poli Actio eight because i promot diversification o ou housi stock B otherwis thi proje is no meetin any o o policie o studies th a applicable this a i n meeti majority o them wel T ta more abou t adequac adequacy of publi facilitie staf recommended tha t petition submit wastewate capaci study t analy t remainin capacit but o was no received. O was n requir under o previou ordinances However under o curren one one wou b So request o and one w no provide bas on rece evaluation of th surroundi wastewat syste there m not adequat sew capacit to ser t propose development, and i t Commissi i supportive t developmen sta recommend

the it b table up 9 days f sew capacit study to be complete The are numb o outstandi issues wi thi request as mentione startin wit acces Th first par o thi sli show t fir page the concep plan an preliminary si pla The a r diamon label numbe one two, a three Tho a acce point tha c b utiliz usi existin futur connection fro existin sit wel a a sho o currentl pla bei current unde review. I t case o th acces point sho o t southe side of t propert howeve blu diamond fou fi a s a acces point th a sho o t pla associat wit item tw B b ar n sho on th adjacen plan f t property t sout which h pla activel unde review, s sta would ne tha acces t t b Mor concrete n p intende i orde t have thos access poin b guarantee A you' s the t blu diamon seven o thi sid t connecti poi i establish on t propert t t sou based t plans a revie and th approve prelimina si pla However there i not drivewa alignme with th propose propert a additionally Blu Diamo eigh r diamo eight The is a establish o sit entran fro thi property

the on to th south so th hav acces They' sho along the tollwa F desig elements Although th futur la u m does no envisio mixed us development i thi area t request intensi developme, approv pla fo nearb properties an rece changes i sta l allo residenti in thes districts and cou facilitate integrate mix u developmen with othe properties i t gener are appropriate plann t support thei request, staf recommende stipulation committing t mix u elemen consisten with th comprehensive plan standards fo mixed u areas a similar districts in th cit such as the par a legac i i recommende tha mixed u projec provide a interna quas publi stree netwo separating t development int multip block wit interna street designed accordance wi the stree desig standard T requireme f mixed us stree netwo f multifamil projects above fiv acre w not requirement until it wa codified par t September 1 subdivisio ordinan updat of las yea t need fo shar access wi oth properti is prima desig driv tha should addressed wi creativ solutions suc as walkabl streetsca a op spa amenities especial given t density an intensi propose T petitioner is open designing th interna stree netwo so that i i similar to th mixed use stre sections, b stated th further design of the roadwa is i pending feedback from t Commissio and t associat pla sho approximatel about hal a acre o usabl ope spa in th form courtyard I phas one that woul be th fi story 60 fo multifami buildi mid-ris residenti building However, th stipulations do n provide

minimu amoun o usabl ope space to b provide S n acreag n minim acrea is bein sho right now And t stipulation it's ju being show on the pla Howeve i doe codif lis ope spa ameniti that th developme i eac courtyar sho on th preliminar sit pla Thi list i general inconsisten with t lev o ameniti establishe in th city' multifamil desig guidelines, modifie standar shoul b expect in th area t Commissi moves t table thi item A additionall if th Commissi votes t tab this item a provi feedbac an op spa pla wil b needed b provide by th applicant, which wil sho t minim op spa are required the stipulations, a well the street a sidewal network Th would b consisten with wh w ask of mix u developmen t confo with th stree desig standards Th P stipulation have no be ful reviewe t avo conflict o inconsistencies. As wit typic P proce k deficiencies when the curre stipulation inclu t absence require ope spac pla unsupport exceptions for a lac o direc stre acces a noncomplian risk f futur adjacen offi use i pha thr a propos developme standar sometime refle b fal shor of th city' adopt multifamily and mix u stre desig standards, an thes unresolve issues woul ne correctio pri t approv consideration There are so regulator chang th creat outstandi issue includin recen updat und

8 now all mid-ris residentia uses rig in th distric subje t standards of t distric S th propert thi proposal no meeting t minimum heigh requiremen sho i pha o th we no require whi i one of t bigge drivers f th reque. An n application unde curre regulation wou allow f multifamil but just not a that heigh A s updat standard includi infrastructu revie desig requirements and developme agreements would b require Whereas right now t applica i modifyi tho requiremen bas o t constraints o curre requirements Staff wou als like t poi o tha thi developmen i n meeting t purpose a pla development sho in artic 1 of ou zoni ordinance T requiremen f pla developmen inclu thing lik publ health an safet concer guidi futur development accordance wi ou comprehensi pla Accommodatin innovatio innovation mitigatin developmen impacts, wel a enhancing esthetic an visua qualit A as show i t curren proposa t request n meeti any of thos requirements for a pla developmen As far sta ca see W d recei o respon i support o thi reques within th subje proper as show here, w did no recei a officia letter within th surroundi proper withi 200ft And the citywide w receive o addition respons Asi from th lette it's opposition as shown i the red dot o the ma T summarize thi request th request i t establi a pl developme within th Commerci Employmen Distric in ord t all mid-ris residentia developme wit

modifi developme standards Ke issue inclu sew capacity acces a conflic with t comprehensi pla Th petitioner requestin feedback o the ite from th commissi befor continuin th revie process a befor maki furth revisio to th ite A again sta i recommendi denial fo t reason mentioned previousl Here our ful recommendatio Staff n i support of th reques Due to th unusual a extensiv number challenges of thi request as we a t bi rig ability t devel t proper with th request use. simil manne staff i recommendi denia per t Comprehensiv Plan an Finding policy Thi reque must b foun consisten with th guidin principle of th Comprehensiv Plan an substantiall beneficial to t immediat neighbo surroundi communit a gener publi interest. If t Commissio wishes t recomme approval to the Cit Counc a for ite tw B, we ar recommendin denial Thank y f your tim tonigh Commissio I available to answe a question a t applicant h presentation wel I wan lea off with a coupl of question Fir questio i i this w complet proposa an answered al t concern abou ope space a sew capacity and a those if they had gon ahead a investe a of t resources t have comple proposa and it go th review. ET cetera. E cetera. I'm speculati becau doesn mee t com pla It wou sti requi finding an als b disfavored t staff. Is that fair statemen Ye We've we' mention to th applica befor tha there no wa f staff t recommen approval fo thi item A in fact w wou active b recommendin denia for th cas eve i a t item wer address a everything lik tha Oka A

and yo sai but I want make sure I'm cle tha a leas t hig ris component t propose pla are u rig today Is th wha I hear That correct. It's minimu 120 foot heig requiremen o today ordinance. S it' onl the t mid-ri fiv story. That n a us b rig today S tha basicall is th reaso for t request is allow tha use That i correct Oka Regardle of th peripheral issues abo ope space. ET cetera. E cetera. That correct. Okay, great Thank you Commission Ali Thank you Mr Chairma I'l confess I a litt bit confused. Thi migh be th fir time c thin o a applica jumped ou of th sta revie to co ge feedbac Or mayb I reading tha wrong B since a essential bei asked giv feedbac I wan to g mo clarity on t feedbac that w giv while the wer still t sta revie proces S i we ki o if you bac a little bi i will help m Went back t f back t your th t summa summar Yea Yes Specifical as, a bes as you ca summarize wha feedbac di the g fro sta regardin stree desig integratio activ ope space stipulati wit P Y know appropriate Infrastructu a acces a to t acces was the feedba given that th wou ne essential a access agreement wit t neighbo a part o t P Jus giv u

summary what th alrea kn tha I thi wou hel u guid wha additiona we migh able come wit O course Thank y for tha question Commissione Ali S staf h complet thr review There been fo submittals for this project We've completed thr reviews We d l t petitione kno wh comments wou hav o th ite forthcomi prior to the meeti tonight However th issue a the hav bee kind laund list issues wit thi request. Th natu o the siz a shape of th propert and t locatio i i reason fo som of thes issue i regards t access especiall However wi t applicant, addresse issue suc a acces of T purpo of P w something th w wen ove consistent with th applica th w brought u b staff Additionally t comment o requiring minim ope spa b shown t b provided in th P stipulation as we a th minim uni count p phas, an t innovativ natu of P were brought consistent with th applicant Yo question was bit of or 3 parter, want to say. just before I on. I think yo also asked abou a far a wh feedbac t they' looking fo fro t commissio You' hoping t define wh th feedbac i right Yea I'm tryi t understand wh mo thi body suppose t ad t wha kno mus have be robus feedbac giv b

staf don't thi t t applican i willing t d som of t desig changes I thi fundamentally what the commission is bein asked is, are yo okay with 70 fo multifamil produ her A s the go ba a a thes mix use desig element that we' bee talki about. think that' ultimately what they're askin So essentiall looki for sign tha i the d everythi with th bod b okay, th they wi go back to co work with sta t d t everything whatever i i That our belie The applican can answer for themselves but I believe that where we are. also want to mentio we we started th process. T initi plans Ther wer landlocke parcels Ther wer significa access issues T applica made significan effort addre thos kind ver fundament issu from ou subdivisi ordinance. I wan to give them cred there but the a stil fal short of wh i typical for us a mixed use environmen including those streets, t open spac commitments, t phasi requirements A we go to point in t revie whe there was ju disagreement a thos if staf could n support it. And s that's why they wante to come forward tonigh O las questio o th t comprehensi pla Regardle o how thi goe th i disfavore by t Comprehensive Pla a under th n regulator environment th wou b require b l com wit infrastructur plan developme agreement An forge the thi one Now am phrasin tha correctly Ye Und curre regulations, if they wante to come in an develop, they would required

to provide sewer capacit stud or th fee f i rathe an the compl wit o zonin ordinanc i ful includi the heig requirements fo mid-ri residenti a well Pe curre par fee things li that. M Bell, did I mis anything That' correct And wh that' wha tha wastewat capacit study wou determine wha mitigations need to provide So there' offsi improvements, if there upsizin it woul outlin what thos need be and th wou b conditioned. It could be condition upo approval o t plans That's th purpose Tha you Tha yo M Bronsky Yea S initiall I'd lik t rai a poin o order According t ou bylaw secti nin und 9.1, where i refers legislativ items wha we' bein asked t d i n liste with t purvi of th committee eve a upo So wou like to hav thi conversati terminate based t fac tha it' outside t bylaw f o entit thin you'r bei ask t approv den o tab zonin case That' n t feedback receiv whe she asked They'r asking for ou opinion feel li that cou crea i we' providi feedback t the, as far a whether they should g forward or not. feel like it cou create a situati whi cou bind t cit o potentially put us litigatio b providing th feedbac tha ma help th to fe comfortable goi forward wh i fac we can' provide th promi o a outco whether th g forward o not thi it' sma t mak it clea t the that this is

preliminar review, a a feedba you giv i i i feedba you'r givin I don' s h anybody cou reasonab rel on th feedback to b t sam thi as approv o disapproval It' simp givin som feedbac and, an don see a leg problem Okay I jus fee like th enti proce I'v served this committ fiv yea a I' not see thi occ o time A f developer t come t u completel outsi of the w t syste wor a reques something jus don't thin i complie with th bylaws Vic Cha Bronsky i ca clarify, yo kno sta approach t develop wit th proposal bri thi it forwa t t commissio before i w ready t b heard. I jus wante to offe that ther is precedence wi some othe cas similar n exact such a par a Legac a Mr. Bell, forge the name of tha development, but tha multifamil proposa nea nea herita Creeksi quite few year ago t item wa n ready be hear There were stil outstandi technical issu with th document. Howeve t applica wante mov forward wit t commissi heari i befor the it w ready whi w litt les I guess agreeab betwee staff and t develop because sti wanted those outstandin issue to addresse S that wa t preceden tha w h had kin model thi off o However, it w mor N tha we aren amicab wit everyon but gues amicabl wou s the word And M Bell, don't know if there' anything else you wa to add, but thi this was our thi was more of collaborative suggestion between and the developer. I just wanted t clarify

that. jus t clarify legall thi is actio item that is o our agenda tha w can ac on we choose t Yes Staff activel recommendin denial o thi item, a that always a option fo t commission t conside Oka All righ Oka Tha you M Al was goi to the an maybe thi helps t bod ho I thinkin about i Whatev t thr actio w ha as bod, approv den table, essence eas feedba o o t ite right o motio w giv concret feedba a to what w think i the be use of t lan und consideratio Agr, Commission Ton Thank you Mr Chairma think kno th thi this m beating th dea hor her I sti confused don't kno wha we'r asked t d S t staff recommendin denia A no matt what do, w approve den o tab o wha thin we're askin f feedback A c w say tha approval denia o tab is feedba that's no feedbac What a w approva o Wha are approving Yea Wha are approving Well, thi I think thi t questio this a lan u questio An s t question front o is, i the lan u her th w cou support Which i case in persona opinion, it not rea f support. They kno tha Everybody kno th staff kno tha i w believ tha tha it's a gr area, tha we might suppor i But we don't kn yet because we don have enough information. could choose to tabl it. If there's land use her that' bei

propos that canno support then w c den i witho having mor information because do ha enoug information t kno wha t propos lan u i without al t details S we ca w can go base o lan u a like lik like ha bee sai and gi the feedbac as to whether not we feel lik the land use i appropriate, regardless of th technical detail think is th question Yes, ma'am jus want t say, a event you're n going t mak separa motio whe you'r you' approvi this la u righ n a the movin forwar y can giv the som feedba a tab, you c gi the som feedbac a th den if you' n comfortabl y don't hav t gi them parti answe Y can wha you'r comfortab with b oft whe befor y tabl you give goo amount feedbac s tha people ge ide you c do th same thin before y deny. Y can give a goo amount of feedbac befo y den S don fee trapped by t question th ask yo I guess is wh I'm trying to sa If you're not comfortabl you c absta or yo c jus den at th poi and make th bri you back somethin different W don't wh don w mov forward a hear t rest of t presentation a then c come bac A think we' gotten som guidance fro counci about o options So wh don we allo t applican chance mak thei presentatio a a the question a a keep th conversation going? An i we want to st the conversation, then that' certainly up to t commission. So let m open the public heari first, open the publ hearing And belie the on registere speaker w ha i Griffin Nea whi presume you sir So if you' introdu yoursel a yo address pleas I

apprecia it. Goo evening Go evening Commission. My name i Griff Nea I liv i Dallas Texas 643 Woodlan Driv A Mis Corre sai a staf h bee reall communicative o thi proce with u It' been on w mad our fir submission an wor on i M o 202 Obviously, that was aroun the time wh 840 w introduced fr t stat The was a l of things up the air with th city. respectfull waited fo tha proce t com throug A ultimatel in workin wit sta bac the mov forwa wit o planne developme in effort to b i partnersh with th City o Plano n mov down th pat of S 840 whi w put u by th state I'm he tonight t introduce myse and m company Describ briefl o project I agr entirely Tonight conversation i abo lan use, but d think it's important have th context A the t appropriatene of th ar a what's happeni in th immedia adjacency and th ultimatel sin we no compl wit t comprehensiv pla T table th conversation m request understand I' n ready f approv tonight understan deni is t table A importantl als understan it is no direc feedbac that canno hol the city to Tremon Group w company founde almos t years a no W wer founded f one reason, an that' to make a positi difference in t communitie Wel importantly an first, te years a when was starting, I w young, it was make a difference i my life. And th our employe lives, a then th communiti in whi w inves and wor i

do th throu responsib ownership an responsib a collaborativ development starte treatment with bes friend that we gre u togethe envisione Tremo t be pa of o legac a human That's wha o ownersh meth is b long ter qualit owner W hav institutiona backgrounds, bu we're sma compa tha r lean and w car deepl abo workin wit municipalitie a partnershi A Molly sai we've be through four round submittals now As Mr Bel said resolvi maj issues current landlocke parcel. Wh we' worki wit w do d not hav direc acces to public righ o way whi caus several revie a desi issue S Importantly at t corne of Spring Cree an Communication this greenfie site. It' o o Plano' las remaini lar acreages a especiall especially within t legac area S hope yo c apprecia o sensitivity t that know yo guy a sensitive i A I again wi emphasize we' here to ha collaborati conversation We' directl adjace t t dar station Th dar stati was as yo gu kno recentl wit you gu pulle out of yo withdraw fro dart an continue to i partnersh wi the A the w a direct adjacen to th Pla Sprin Creek M Duggan' development to o south which mix u developme consisti o hospitality retail dinin shoppin and what w hav here is a opportunit t exten Legac We vibrancy an urba

corridor Thi i jus not And c appreciat staff commen tonig throughou t proces and tha the fac that th have sti withi the review of th Comprehensi plan B the fac of th matt is this si doe n exis within traditional sing u employmen campu Mr Duggan' developme i n speculativ It' happeni a going break groun thi yea An t site th we' looki at i exist within evolvi cla doubl mix us urb environment S briefl on th proje a als importantl wha curre ownershi in th B famil is willin t d T B famil ha own thi lan for believ it' fiv generations Th B family ow anoth 4 acre acros Communication Parkwa The B famil h partnere with t car forwar thi sit a they' willin t restric t remainin 5.7 acres i thi trac as Mis Corre point ou t employmen generatio generati uses n residentia use B ultimate wha o proje i going d a bringing t phas cla double residentia project t thi immediat are is crea vibran for t mix u environment that thi i going b A it' important t no tha not onl is th BD family, bu M Duggan. They' workin wit sever other hig qualit development on thes specif adjacen parce within thi environment a everybody' watchin closely wh t commissio hopes t

se happe t thi are a what i c mean f t futur Plano S I'l ski through wh Mis Corre pointed out I want point out what we'r working on with M Dugga a she' absolutel right W acce i needing to refin an committ t by bo partie B we' talking about a t bouleva secti connectivit a traff goin east an wes on th sout sid there o o pha one an pha two, a t office campus there So th i fr Communication South Transi Dri i on th left on th nor side there, which i the left side the screen. We'r activatin tha I wil primarily serve as seconda an priva entranc We've got fir lane on t oth sid bu importantly, that will b activated wit streetscape a connectivity with the dart So massing her are Pha one on th left hand sid ther with an elevate poo deck Pha two i t tow o th rig and the M Duggan' Plaza Spring Cree there i modele o t bottom righ ha corner of t scree To th lef o o pha o i th adjacen Mariposa, 5 pl activ adult community Si pla showing som gre spac elevate poo dec Ultimately what we'r seeki agai i cla double, residentia community I'l hit w that's important not on for the area, b for t city o Plano B what we'r

seekin is ameni ric cond livin experienc tha th lives a fee lik what th city Pla deserve and, an wha t corpora o n corporat campu i T employme use a compani tod a t futur a callin for This alo Sout Trans Drive Her again bi windows, mix o materia architecture bei broken up That o fro fro entry Agai thi i a fir dra from t archite tha w paus wit towards t e of th yea as wer worki throug technic comment So hav sever comments thes b nonethele i And I don't wan to distract from th land us conversation. Here's t thr gre space have met. T ope spa requiremen Importa t not it just needs be called out the. In the submittal S back t t futur lan use plan I d think it' important to cal o that we're half mile from Legacy Wes on the north side That's the urba activi centers o Plano you mo intensi mix u urb corridor A I'l argue o o th mos successfu suburba mixed us development really t country Thi are hous 7 o you offic supply A t tenants tha you' attracted A i a t mi radius t sit her an t o south i expresswa corridor whi doesn explicit cal f residential but doe i adjacency t commerci cente tha nee i calls f regiona acces

which have Sprin Creek Th ultimat finding her and an t cru of wh we' lookin for I thi it' real importa to, t cal ou the Legac are maste plan tha the cit recentl starte a recognizi what' transitioned a h marke ha evolved Y guy started th with goal m understanding i finishing early nex yea We' her toda to throu the findin process understand what t commissio i seeking an ultimatel devel alongside othe developer What w belie c be ove $1 billion worth developme o th thi plo o lan i totality There's plent o preceden her i Legac Wes Th parks a legac las month an Heritage Cre Way Will Ben Mal a of thes Th city ha signaled an approv residenti component an attempt t activate an redevelo areas Again, th evolvi natur of t distric and wh M Duggan developi o 2 acres He' been a gre partner i helping understand th city an t proces a design u tha believes importa a critical t h proje success adver impacts Sprin Creek on t Wes Sid according to you 202 mos rece traff studies 15 to 18,0 car p d o your othe mix u districts. Those a upwards o 3 a 3 d commission traff stud a there ample roo fo f additiona traff tha

also fit withi t expresswa corridor T demonstrate publ benefit Wha we ha i tw phase i $200 million worth o development Conservatively, this wil genera $3.5 millio of ta revenue the cit of Plano An whi we wi there wou be mor student wit these wi ultimatel b hig incom professional couples emp nesters th a contributin positively to t community Ther wil be so student so that als imagi going Pla ISD b thi t revenu will go t hel Pla IS which think las yea ra $26 milli deficit, an this yea i slate to projected b abo 4 A then Again I thi important note th the ownersh i willin t restrict th adjacenc o o Nonresidentia uses Pla has premium, what we belie to be premi housin deficit. Yo guys' pl cal for m o optionalit These a als housin nee tha employe and hi quali employe loo fo O cours they ne rang of it b y guy hav wh w hav believe t b abou just sh o 8 uni o containe within thre apartmen complexes, al withi An they're a withi the lega are Thi is th Kincai lev 29. A i strat at Legac Wes w quantif

trul premi a $2,50 a mon more o avera throughou th community W estimat Plano' renta housi suppl to b abo 4 49,00 units This mea you premi housi rent housi sto o apartmen dwellin i abo 2% of you tot supply. think that important for you a t consid a wha wil continue mak Plano globa leade and attra the typ o business y see The res of t points. think thi i mostly summa sli withi a tw mil radiu Again n on i 7 of yo offic supp here, but y d hav 45 household 1200 whi estimate hav 150,000 o more Media incom signali thes renters There already within thi are deman f mo housi of th typ B importantly, thi housi brin peopl t Pla t liv have t chance experience it a the mov into neighborhoods lik w we've se her earli tonight S woul encourage y guys to to thin about that as wel A Mi Curie sai we' her tonight wor continu working wit staff W kno Denial potential on th tabl W hope yo guy respe the fact th we' been working on thi for nearly a year We've spent s figur plannin the Comments th Mi Curie h alluded t tonigh We' worked through by a large, some have co up in third a fourth round submittals tha we did no hav a chance address The recommended we com here tonigh to me with you all

an we' committ t reachin mutua goal of furthering th city of Plan A the jus th i again it's no m purvie t speak o M Duggan's development, but do think it's importa to understand what' happeni here A slated bre ground i t plaza at Spri Cree Wrap up. I sure we've got som questions for yo Tha you ver muc Great. Thank yo M Nea I'm goi lea o with coupl o questions an observation You' obvious done yo homewo a i sho y understand the marke Y understa you kno what' been achieved a legac Y understa t employmen situation, t demand fo housin can disagre with you any o that. think I think y absolutel understan th t marke a t nee f a hi quali luxur housi component up ther We' heard a numb o proposals f simila project i legac JCPenney you kno a numbe of a number place So from th perspective agr wit yo thi what yo jus mad is o cas inste of yo case I thi you mad our cas that w nee t highe highe densite th exact wha alrea entitl f a opposed t what you' proposing Just honest wit you. think y made ver compellin argument fo t curre zonin as oppose to th PD you' requesting And I i if yo ha brought us proposa that ha you phasi absolutel reversed think m initi reacti would hav bee much mo favorable A a m observation i thi we've

go the tai wagging t dog litt b i thi particula case tha that you' takin th back the sit to develo firs and a telling u wha will happe on th front, as oppose t i something h alread happened on the fro and this was t residual site, I thi your case would b much stronger. That's jus my personal opinion. S c you sa tha a different way H I'm yeah, t phase thr was phas one A a a phase on w phase three I wou respectfully add tha tho foll vibra mix use. understand if they wer concurrent. think m conce is tha it' a, it fou stor multifami developme with promise o future mixe use a opposed t mixe u development with multifamil component You foll m I'm followi what you' saying. S n offense like said, think you understand t market completely. I thi you have a ve firm grasp of, the need o product My concer i abo how i happens a not no whether i happens And an t concern abo wha migh happen in th futur as opposed to what being asked to b don immediately. An s th s those a my initi reaction fro land us perspectiv S With th sai questio f y i i there an considerati t swappi phase o and pha tw or wh you'r calli phas bui the hig ris first it' a importa designation. And I'll answ a fe o you questions, may Ye Pha three again it's no par o t zonin cas I'm no promisi i B wha ownership willing t do i restrict t u t nonresidenti employmen generati use The a willing d tha Pha o

is s S tha wil happen. A th it' just matte o whe An o belief tha happe i these a wha curre offi trend a desir are toda and i the futur is th need t vibranc a they ne it. They'r not going to develo a greenfield sit today Mr Beatty' bee trying market t land for the bette part o pre-COV era In fact there' p submittal and sit plan f I offic alo tha entire Sou Trans drive I didn't g a tractio Phase on i importa t d different th pha t, becaus they offe variety o housin options What c develo f a avera rental ra o $2,50 p uni whi sti ver expensive a especial consideri what's Pla, when y build high rise in th cost construction, yo have charge minimum o $4,00 $5,000 month t make the economical feasibl That' very har t do in greenfiel site o wit retai That' and mixed u environment o shoppi that's unde developmen adjacen t u Furthe I'l arg tha whe you co in fr communications to have tower on tha corne driving a dow communications, we look a i an flipping wher it's at it make a l of sense to stai step t proje fro approachability an attractivene t soften th transiti o use and ent in t propert We're als direct adjacent to t Mariposa t 5 plu community so the was lot of thought th went in i understan an respe t comments, M

Chairman b Pla doe nee premiu housing That' n f $5,000 and i nee mediu grou in ther t understand. That's why wanted your perspective. S thank you M Bronsk a M Bronsky, y don't min I need to ste out for one second Would you take th gavel, M Nei Tha you muc want sta out b sayi it' ver heartwarmin hear develop say quote m development's n rea becaus i doesn comply wi th comprehensi pla It' no ready to mo forward So what wan to start o wit yo i there's a l of thin her tha i says do n meet. Ca you tel me how you're goi to go about meetin and complying with th comprehensive plan I I recommending finding proce, and we'r n complying with the curre comprehensi pla Okay. Bu you comme was, that it' not ready t mov forward because i doesn comply. S m question t y is what' going to you proces t bri i int compliance W will no comply wi t comprehensi pla We're goin through a pla development t chang t zoni to residenti use Sorry, I jus I guess misunderstoo whe y start ou Y sai thi isn ready b mov forwa becau i doesn' compl with th comprehensive pla S I was ju tryin to clarify i tha was actually yo intenti was bring i int complianc No, compl wit t comprehensiv plan an t plan in t futur land u wou requir large a employmen campus whi frank isn feasible wit what' happeni at t Pla a Spring Cree Th optio i not o t tab peri for t city Plano M Duggan brea ground his project as he planned

as he' worki wit lende now an a approve by th cit adjacent, th site' approximatel 350 i depth There' 1 acr i tot the that t B famil own a it real doesn confo t tho uses Oka Secon questio I ha was as yo mentioned tha phas thr would b restricte for th particula development Wh methodology are y expecting t use Restriction Ar you talki about dee restrictions or wha kind restriction ar you goi to applying t tha I seek th feedba tonig h ownersh ca legally d tha knowi th this n part o o zoni applicati A it's concep pla A y askin fo o opinion o f o advice I'm n exact sur Typically mak decisio o case rathe tha bei ask provi individua records Are you looki f recommendation N T leg meth to a suc o ownershi i willing t commi to Oka A t cit sta wasn't abl t suppl y wit th proper wa t go about maki restriction I i t short answ i n i didn' wasn' Par of th submitta process A again we're committe t working through tha And Oka D y think might hav bee mor typica f you t hav thoug throug a worke through som thi especially with a much money a you'v spent s fa Rather th bringing to for decisio tonight I wa staff recommendation aft t second roun o

submitta t come you guy went forth wit anoth two while would lov to have all the issue resolved, i constantl evolvin are Mr Duggan' plans have changed Mr Beatt a h submittal one and t wer largely aroun solvin acces submittal A then w had t have flag lot goin o to the Dallas Nor Tollway to get t a public right way Ope space w ju comment on thi revi t b incorporate T concep plan includi pha thre o a Deedi o dee restricting whatever e u ultimate legal doi w brough u i t thi submittal sho S Yea we'v spent lot o money a a lot tim going through it. wish I would ha been here in more efficient manner, certainl B ultimately, wa respectin and and a going throug t proce that w told to g through A so thi we would a agr th approvi thi tonig isn' what you' looki for Is tha correct While I wou whil I would welco i I don't thi it' on th on th table tonight due t the technica issues. Wel from wh I getti from ou leg department w have al thr option availab t u to abou a to pro i t tab it o t decli i A s i thi proce o comin before u tonight what wha is you bes outco for wha you ge fro tonight

acknowledgme of th proce th we've bee throu tab t t t resolve t technica issue A t develope befor m looke li h h 2 or tim through th process A ultimate comments on t lan us S so you' like, you like u t table thi tonig an the provi y our Opinion on how t g abo lan us Not t latte b t table it Yes S you'r onl seeking for t table it tonigh You hav thr optio an you guy c choos Oka Thank yo ver much, I apprecia i Yes, si M Lingenfelter, thank you, Commission Bronsky for taking over fo me for a second I reitera tha w c see th you p l int thi an a understand th marke well B a a they' mentione t t t conce plan i i f us devia fr tha I has t be yo have t prese somethi ver compelli that's goin t caus us actuall b p our our name on th line and everything tha to fill out t findings forms a a that stuf S there got t be very we g to be abl t real have stron argumen an w we' deviati fro th conce pla S i doe take lot f us to d tha that th i o comment An in th cas I don't thi there' any way we ca appro this becau it' incomplet We've go a incomplet submittal i i rig now So don't even think that' on

the table. S it's really deni o tabling If were table h muc time you ne a quick as staf c review t comment and g u feedback Our m enginee her c comme o wha outstandin technic issue ther are t timelines h need t submit th aroun bu it' a matte o wee or coup month n years I wa t comment that we wer still missing a sew capacity study, which i recommended whic I that needs b complete t sta is. I sorr the commission limite to a 90 da tabling without t consent o t proper owner. was goi to say I wou recommend. I would recommen an indefinite tabli the. If the applica is willing and will notice when it ready, because there wi be time required t complete that. So w can do indefinite. this case, we don' have to If the if th consent Okay. Would you b okay with indefini tabling in th cas Is tha minimum o 9 day or is tha jus 9 day 90 da is o m witho you consent Sure B i doe sound lik it going t b at lea that n beyon that, wit you engine t comin u wit capaci stu a everythin a indefinite make mor sens N problem So y consen that that wou b something we cou conside Ye just wa t comme becaus it' relevant the la u discussion. I tha al all sig are pointin to that there bei capacit issues Current t study i just goi t confi tha w believ Whi whi I'l not we a t Beattie famil we committed t upgradi that and tha wil benef othe A working throu tha

with t cit whi we n inte t enfor tha Right Commission Ali Okay, s I'm goin to go through Wha wrot dow a F lack of bett word, t gap tha exist th wou eve bring i t point whe I'll spea fo mysel I could eve consider thinkin o Usi t findin policy g y kno justi something right One t sew capacit a th the tha h bee addresse from ope spa perspectiv especially fo residential. thi t distinguishing facto i activ op space versu t passive op space whi belie th current a meeti within eve wit with, wit th curre stage o t pla Th thi wou b wel numb 3 or wou b F lack of better wor lac a enforceme mechani arou acces withi f t plan Numbe four woul b we thought o a articulated stree desig With the They' probably be t preliminary sit pla or th concept pla I don't know whic which one this com in th actuall sho h t buil o pla wel a connects a integrate int what i alrea aroun i A

I woul s t las but not th lea t wha t chairma brough u wou b Flexibilit aroun phasi in th manne tha Giv m comfor tha We ar not goi to b lef Holding t bag s speak, wher t residenti built A there nothi el tha necessarily needs t co aft tha S think I'm wit Commissione Lingamfelter i The i consen t continue wor throug closi tha gap would ope t t tabling t se i nothi else, t see complete pla submitted Right s somethi tha i tie of a a tie togethe eve if it' n perfectly i adherence with t comprehensive plan. But at least c jud something Yo kno tha fai Yes sir Al right Commissione Bende Thank yo Chairma Yea it's it clear that yo p a lot of thoug and understanding the marke a t adjacen t lega is, i reall key A know that add lots value It's, yo kno think t phasin that wa mention f i reall important stone' throw fro whe thi propos developme i i store buildin that' been buil for fou years It' stil vacan today I'm sure you' awa of all t emp offi spa i t surroundi

area S t you kno based on what' happening we've see th befor right S havin that havin t phasi wou make a b differenc Acces anoth issue T movemen of t vehicles an everythin throug tha spa alo wit th oth oth propose development that yo mentioned al cause som concern n bein able s that whol concep pla togethe S really havin tha comprehensive pla betwe thos t developments i real key And havin those havi tho dea don so th you ca it's no just discussion wit anoth develope b having somethin that concret And y kno there's questio w need that kind o housing You know, you know, we ha a lot of othe developments and corporat relocatio that ar coming tha wou suppo tha kind o housi stock B again, lot mor work d he befor w could b in a position t conside goi against th comprehensi pla Than you Commissione Tom Thank yo M Chairma Thank yo for t presentation. thin i looks lik nic project to hav i Plano M issu i sti wit thi thi feedba session o thi who meetin today I sti n clea what nee t d t he you o hel t staff And m tabli, tablin i indefinite reall h n differen o denying right If w den i today can the come bac with a differe pla

with differe application Righ S this basically they have go bac a red everythi anywa Correct? B ne application, a n fee starting the proce ove again Woul tha b when add t fi lan and som acces change aft submitt t tha reset bac a substanti chan to th plans I tha differen tha what you' suggesting Mr. Bel It different. It'd be entirely ne application entirel new se o fee f both th concep pla a t zonin case If thes were tabled we're startin sta fro the ve beginning I they' denied, if they're table, we ke working on th pla as they are A to yo comme abou feedback, there been couple of comments abo thi And th applica h suggest it w staff recommendatio to d this. I want clarify that that w have a slightly differen opinion T origina review on th proje wer i substantiall The wer the needed lot o work, let me pu it that way. Th had Landlock parcels subdivisi issues Staff fel lik t plan w n progressing t poin tha they we goi to get in the ballpar W recommended that at th point that we ju move forwar because th plan is n progressin T applica mad fro that poin forward mad significant effort t t t meet some t comment tha staff wa havin issues wi i the first coup round Tha thir submitt cam bac muc improv from th fundamental bu t feedback at tha poi was you're still missi some of the k mix u desig requirements. And a tha point, the applica fel lik

Perhap it's no wor spendin additional tim o thi unt we g feedbac fro t commissi staff T positio alon a along h been don't think it progressi to a poi i ord o tim a efficiency. Let's just mo this forwa and let them mak a decision. But y can make your cas to the Commission a to what feedback y would like to get That's how g here tonigh a I wan t continue that. fee lik this what I fee actuall I fee exactl wha Mr. Bel jus mentione tha t sta fee like thi plan n goi anywhere. I jus goi to pu i in har way Do yo y think t plan' n goin anywher aft t last thre a fou Let yea let's let' n d that. Let ke t questions betwe t commissi and. Oka Tha you I fee lik this fee like eve i w tab i indefinite a y wou spend l mor mon than yo ha spe alrea i, m stil e u goi nowhere Righ May denyi i i a go thing f you t rethi about th entir conce pla doesn't mea tha you thr aw whateve research yo hav done the mon y hav spent Maybe yo c u that a differen desig It' just th you m have submit a ne applicati fee I I fee like i w tabli tabling, may no b Do yo doi y favo I m jus guiding y down t rabbit hole. That persona opinion That' fa feedback an I'd We' extremely excited t develop in th cit o Plano We'

extremel excited t b par of th parcel i entiret W Th what yo jus noted i that the choic tonight we'll he you lou a clear bu I'l circl back l the comment a issue ar desig a technic relate that we'r committ t workin throu t lan u questi o premi housi i a mixed u urb environme of wha thi parce i goi t a par o i wha o whethe it's revis submittal i continuance o tablin o revis submitt ultimatel wha wil wha wi b looking t achieve All righ A oth questions o th applicant Nobod Okay. St clo when com back to yo Tha you guys. All right Are there any oth registered speake o eithe one o the items? Wel the w Tyl Thom w sai he wa goi to be i perso b he was register as opinion only. I not sure if wanted to speak. there Tyler Thomas her And do you wan to spea You d not want to speak Okay. Tha yo A right S seein n others I'll clos t publi hearin I gonna lea o agai Mr. Nea I thi I already sa i once, and I'll sa it again. I I reall believe yo mad o cas a you did ver compellin You' done yo researc Y understand t nee f som qualit housi in th corridor. Yo understand th need f a mixed use quality, mixed u developme in th area And think a least i opinion all o tho thing

suppor t current zonin o the propert and t curre us b rig o t tract a opposed deviati fro those I, personall don s compelli publi interes t deviat fro t curre use right o t parce becau thi i lesse t goa that. believe you o argument support A I kn there's lot o technic issues hav complet confidence that you hav tea I don't kno you team, but I ha complete confidence. You ha a team that cou work through the technica issue For personall eve if all th technic issues wer resolved I. wouldn't i suppor o reducin t requirements of tha sit bel what a current allow b Righ because belie tho ar t corre use f tha site believe you o argument make th cas S I appreciate al t researc you've don It' obvio y really, real know th marke bett than probabl any o us do And s comme you o th a you passi for doi something her believe you're on th mar as to what th need is out there I jus disagr wit you as wha th loo lik S wit tha I' hand o commissione for additional comment Commission Bruno thank y chairman appreciat t applicant coming u tonight hav a stron feeli of h earnestnes o behalf t projec and acknowled h go intention M botto lin feelin about thi i that we are bein asked to do t muc We'v bee present with

plan tha i s incomplet that reall can mov forward wi i And think t proble and t technic and othe issues an land us issu that th sta h identified are s numerou and fundament that don thin tabli thi would ser an purpose don think the can all solve would not that comprehensi mix u plan neighborhoo communi i no plann piecemeal You hav to hav comprehensi are plan You don creat i by pointi t propert own A ov her w i planning to d on two a three a property owne across th stree Who wh wants t do, y kno 4 or 5 an six. And the a then w bui her then th tha someho creat a d fac mixe u pla community I doesn' because he ha n contro over the oth owner or what might happe in th future. An there is overa pl guidi t futur existenc a design t projec S belie tha alon with th staff I thi ou bes option t den, an withou prejudice t considering a futur plan o application, the that th applicant mig com forward with. An I would encourage h to think about doi tha b bring somethi mor complete. I' n comfortab fillin in th man blank f applicant. thi that, y know get u awful clo t designing his plan f him. An we'r not i t designi business I kno I not. mean I als would ten t

create I think, sor of a cycl o subtl b neverthele rea psychologic pressure o t commissio that if w suggest it an he do it w wou feel ba abo disapprovi i even if w woul have the legal rig to disapprove it. S for tha reason, think the bes procedur is den witho prejudic t submitting n applicatio Yea Tha you, Commissioner Bronsky. Well let everybody spea. agr with t chairman th I fee li personall thi entir evenin f thi i lacks compelli publi interes thin some the things that you' provide M Nea a ni a sou goo b i seem lik wheneve w dig little b at tha There n ther there Y started out b talkin abo wanting t comply with the com pla a then discover that th wasn' yo intention Y mention th you wer committed t upgradin the sew systems would rea surpris if th wa really yo commitmen t full upgrade t sew systems wha they need b Y may willi to do part i thi Mr. Bel h broug u very clear tha a bes maybe ther was som misunderstanding o you par as i relat t what th staff wa actuall doing but t m thes thing sho t m that th i n someo I fee comfortabl wit Approvi ca for l alo signi my na on th bottom of findin for relativ t as

Mr Bru mad ver clear looking for us design th plan s tha. Then w wou fe almos necessi t approve th pla And i goes ba to initi argumen th fel lik thi entir journe this evenin o thi ca was n withi t purvi of o committee a it's no ou j t desig o t t take a applica b han and wa the throu the entir proces of ho w d zonin within t cit o Plano S I'm goin to gi M Vic Chai Alley chanc to spea bu it ver cle t m tha nee motio f denia o th a all M Nea and h te to bac through t process t gather th information that we ha provided t the A the whenev he' ready t provide somethi tha w c a should b abl t provide a up down vot rather th having o han tie t tablin o a n vot then ca actually d the j tha we're supposed to d a commi to t actions tha o bylaw descri u t follo S M Ali, I'l tur it over to yo Commission Ali don't know may rea thi ver differentl b nev rea this t b something tha ties m hand in a way reserv ful legislati consideration f t final If

an when th com t which then it' m decisio I use fo lack of bette word, m findings Pow t overrid o overrule t comprehensi plan. An lik everybo h sai fo that happe i has t substantial beneficial th cit residen a all o that M Onl lea towar tablin versu complet denia respectin the fac tha they've been thi proce fo fou years thr years whatev t t cou i a ha investe mon and hav pa fee a what ha you an someh sending the back squar o doesn qui fe like th right, t rig decision ultimatel o o deni o tabling i the s choose, they wil bri forwa fin pla or fin submission or whateve that look lik A the it's a th point thi body' prerogativ t determi i they u finan power or wh have y t overrid t comprehensive pla I it' n conformance to th comprehensive plan S Y know again I don't kno neve rea thi a I w obligated d somethi definiti tod versu poi ou where t gap wer And i they s choose to go ba and work on and bring it ba agai so i Commissione To Tha you, Mr Chairma I ju wan t add o mor thi is tha tha you f comin here A I, want to s i

again. I sti thi thi thi plac thi parce is ver ve nic locatio located. yo got goo parce there want to sa som encouragement to you Eve thoug tod we ma den w m tab and eve tabling you m hav t you know d lot o changes i It' it' n somethi th you c jus g wit what yo hav rig now S may i th futur y can bri bett desig for thi parce It's gre locatio It ha grea proximi t a t b developmen aroun you A thin personally, think t bigges probl o thi parce acces So I' just goin to give you m feedback. If you're lookin for feedbacks i y ca address t acces t thi parcel may fro the y ca g bette desig S don' tak i A doesn matter i it' denie o o tablin don tak i as a W don't li t project think like th project W jus can't anything wi it right no S eve lots projects ha to back to squar one Lo o owner i t lan owners i Plano tha have redo the desig ove a ove agai I prett sure th landowner t Windhav Parkwa there they ha t redesign tha who are n less tha 5 times S it' not defeat. hope yo don't fee that way tha we' reall

givi y hones feedbac M Bronsk I mov w den agend it tha n onl follows t recommendation of th staff bu als tak int accou t staff ha mad it ve cle th process tha we' gon through thi evening i not ev somethi tha the encourag t gentleman t g through, but i was something that h made a choice t go through. I c appreciate th fa tha h wou like whole lo of differen thing b just don fin usi t chair' wor compellin publ interest fo thi entir process. S mov f denia ite two eig correctly Correc Ite two correct Ye Oka And w have tie o the next. So I going to I'm goin to I'm going go. I'm going t go with Commissione Bend because he's be relative qui today wou seco t motio Perfect A Commission Brounoff, would you lik to would yo like t second tha as well? Oka Sinc you a tie A right Al right. w have a motion an a second. Any oth discussion A right. We hav a motion in second. Please vote And t motion to den votin i fav wou b t de votin Yes is to den Moti passe 6 to 1 wi o abstention A right Tha you ve muc Ite t do need t take action on tw B since two was denie because was conditional on t A Yeah Let just i Oka Item t Commissione Brons

mov w follow th recommendation of th sta a de agend ite t a Commission Brounof secon Mr Bender, would y have an commen on this one Oka A righ We ha motion and a second A motio passe six 1 to Right Tha you, Mr Nei appreciate yo a bein interested bei part of t cit planning. We look forwar to seeing you aga in the future. hope you find project th bring you bac here Tha you guy Want let you know tha I respect your proce a I look forward working with you gu in the future. Grea Thank you Yeah. Why don't we take five minu rece a come ba her a wh is th 835

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All right are w ready A righ We' reconve bac into ope sessi a 835. Righ tim Good j guy Thank Al right, let' g us ba up the scree her There w ar A right. It numbe thre Agend ite numbe three Discussi a directi on th upda of th cit sig regulation Hel commissioner I Rob Kirk. I' senio plann for t Development Service divisio of t Plannin Departmen Join tonig b Christi Sebastia Lin recor planni manag a Salsame chie buildin officia So th discussio a directi item cover specifi chang propos as par of th Sig regulation Updat project A brie backgroun o this projec I kno you've seen th befor T updates have been in the wo progr for severa years, wi some lo interruptions d t pendi cour cases. t feder leve Our goa is increas th usabili of thes regulation and ensur tha th compl with al law and cour decisions Commissioners di provi directi o certain si regulatio question las September 202 alon wit reque f som addition informati o digital electroni messa boar signs I'l begin thi discussion just by offerin so clarification of ter here The are n t offici definitio from th zoni ordinance, bu they're he to facilitate ou discussion a directi tonigh Thi slide sho t parts of pol sig whi in thei most simp for inclu a sig structure the pol o pole and sig cabinet, which is th actual displ piec tha i support by th pole Sig cabin displays the sig fac o fac o one bot sides T faces d contai t cop which i t

actu tex o messa on th sign So wh w refer t remova o sig we' talkin abo thi entir object y s bracketed a sign We' not jus talki abou changing ou t face ev t cabinet It's ki of similar drawi that show the monumen sty freestandin sign These d inclu tha sign fra o cabinet and the ma include structu o bas So monumen signs have cabine completel flush wit th ground an n visib bas And you saw in th las slide, t cabin displays th si fac on on or bo sides. Th fac conta the signed copy S at th September 2025 meeting, t Commission did provid feedbac supportin monument sign heigh regulatio base o adjacen thoroughfar type The thoroughfar siz rang from typ G, whic are th small residenti streets typ a. Mo detaile descriptions a found i attachme B i you packe tonigh Sin these a rou proxies fo vehic speed t larg signs are mor appropriate for the highe grad functiona class a moderate by the land u context where appropriate well S this ma o existin monume sig heigh regulations i reproduced yo packe Standar maxim height in most the cit right now i ten fee a certai overlays an specifi zoni distric regulatio includ som small a large maximu heigh as low s feet or as hig a 15. I som overlays, th ordinance doe al all freestanding sign to b up to 40f tal alo 75 a that's for bo pole an monument sign currently An this is t Thoroughfare Plan map als reproduce in yo packe alo with th function class represent by t line weight a shading The lan u conte a visibl o t map S to pu together, thi tab shows staf recommendatio in th

last. Th thi colum the. Fo maxim heights f monume sig b thoroughfar type T goal of the recommendation was t minimiz nonconformities throughout the ci whi maintaini appropriat siz signs S under th proposal, mos are woul maintai tha ten foo heig maximum. Th highe grad thoroughfar would go slight to 12 fo maxim heig a the along typ thoroughfare monumen sign up t 20f tal could be allowe Whi tho numbers d eliminat a nonconformi concerns, ther a potenti nonconformitie particularly in t overl are tha currentl permi signs to u to 15ft heigh That' largel because the overlay includ multipl thoroughfar types. The aren' jus along sing thoroughfar typ s th m is you packe a attachme C It do show so potentia areas o nonconformit particularl in thos are tha a shade i gree Y can s o t sou an alo S 121 u there t ar cente zonin district and th t overl distric alo 121 an Plano Parkw are t main areas o concern There also som potenti non-conformiti in lowe gra thoroughfa types tha are with tha overl district. You s shade i blu to th we sid I sit visit though sta h see typicall low profi monume sig tha don reach thos heights So we'r n su h o wheth a sig would actually b affected thos propose regulatio at th tim So ensure th our freestanding sig definition clear delinea betwee pole sign giv t previo direction t n allow ne pol signs we di consid sever desig elemen that see i freestanding signs T goal th w t allow som desig flexibilit a beautiful sig withou creatin nonconformities, o dealing with questio abo wheth bases pol o monuments Th followi slide sho som staf recommendatio on wh monument desig elements

believ would b appropriate for thi S t fiv desig show her lettere throu ar a recommend f classification a monumen sign A i tha simples sty si cabin flush wit the grou also ha a sig cabinet flush with t ground, but is talle than it is wide which is permitted u to that maximum allow height. has th separat bas wid than th cabin sig also ha separa base, b i is narrow tha the sig Cabin staf did. Look a this an determin tha it' okay fo th base to narrowe than th cabinet o t frame a long a the bas i als shorte i height th t cabinet or fra heigh sign. al illustrat this. T t small bas pieces ther a narrow, but the are short than t cabinet. That going be our prima distincti from pol sig S her thi sign, whic we' label, is no recommend d t i proximity to t definition a po sign. While this do not look like typical pole sign t sig base narrowe than the sig cabinet b als taller than the sig cabinet Th sig would b permissible the bas were th same widt or wider, lik sig previously o if th cabin we talle lik signs or that we sa previousl her Bu a shown, th sig is to characterist o pol sig despite t base bein muc wider th a pol and sta recommends tha it not be allowe as a monument sig And this be th point of distinctio W wer ask t gi informati on ho digital electronic signs a regulate a a propose changes regulation at tha Septembe meeting s n changes curre regulations the sig types a currentl propose T dra regulations inclu som update limit on th elimination of sig tha fac residentia use and the woul affec bot t digital an non-digit signs in th

city Thi slide doe summarize the curre regulatio o digital electroni signs. Th tex i a reproduce i the packe b we're looki limit on th chang frequency an movemen Digit signs ha t hav automat dimming base on th surrounding lig condition sa siz restriction a non-digita signs and these are a proposed remai the same i the regulatio updat sta recommends th t Commissi provide a addition direction a thi ti regardi chang to th city sig regulations Nex steps for th proje a list brief her inclu completi the dra regulations, which are currentl being reviewe b multip departmenta staff wi continue recei publi input, will reque tha the Commissi call publi hearing or provi additiona direction neede in th future so th fin ordinan draft will be schedul f publ hearing befor t Commissi a Cit Council an staff i happy t answer any questions a this time Than you Tha you O qui questi o t sig heigh b thoroughfa typ tab that yo had You c go back to that I'm not sure wh slide that was there There it is righ there. Can you hel m define the differenc betwe secondar arterials neighborho context a secondar arterials Oth land us context A we talkin about th differenc betwe th commercia corne versu mid-block in subdivision o ho is th going t b defined w would b looki a T land u conte sho here. I you look o thi map there under th legen there a entire separat secti for the land u context Neighborho context i going b sho in gray So we b talkin abo arteria that ar withi tho shade sections Jus goi f t

thoroughfare plan m versu the on that ar in the sections tha are all the oth context. S so th tha was wh wasn' following. Okay, t gray are a the what woul b So you're tru talkin about the four corne an a oth mixed u commerci would b t talle sign would b allowed T plan, understand it, t completely follo thi map Okay excep f things like PD's wasn't maki t connecti there s Okay. Than you Commissione Ton Than you, Mr Chairma M question i about t pol sign Doe c perso hav multip pol where i h to be o pol There has to b only one pol So th directi received fr t commission Septemb w t n allow ne pol signs S i wouldn' matter Matter? Yea the wouldn't b distinguished b pole sig current are accepted wit eithe one pol t poles Tha you Commission Oll Similar o that. Ca you go to whe you had differe monumen signs I' trying thi o littl layman explanati in hea what makes monumen monument and wha makes a pole pol I i essentially I th bas of th monumen i Skinni than th cabinet i cann b taller th t cabine H would i wanted Yes. it's going to kind of a t pro tes Th bas has t b bot skinnier than th cabin o fram a talle on it own Just t bas than is t cabine or fra on it own W survef pe citie a it's ve difficul t find a goo definition Okay, l me

back to what y said. So if th base is skinnier th the cabine a short than th cabine frame it's monumen Yes, tha would b lik Pla sign that yo see here. Okay. even E b i the base i skinni than th cabin a taller o longe than th cabine it' pol Yes it's a fa pol That' what we'r seekin feedbac o Oka I thin t t mor defin o for i E A wha point d th t pol und becom po sig Wha we' proposi is tha tha poi is wh t tw poles thi either on of t pol, measure from th groun t t bottom t cabine i talle tha the bott of th cabinet t the top of t cabinet. I don't thin they have a cumulativ effect. That wouldn't real make sense. Okay, know I've jumped i line in front o a couple of speakers but I have suggestion for you that the base the sign needs be som percentag o t width t cabinet so yo don't end wit that t reall shor pol situation It's 75 or 80% whatever a minimu So you end u with at most sign ty that' got bric bas with cabin on to of it but you don eve end up with E because there's way you could g there. I don't, personally don't like t option of E b anyway I'll defe to some othe commissioners Commission Bronsky Mis Clarke, appreciat all t effo y and t sta are goin throu a sorti a th o and going Goi around tow a seein what othe a doing So gue m questi a may I confuse

so the n poi a whic y c have signe wi bas So yo cou hav sign th looke lik sig D bu t bas w t sam wid as t cabin and i w as tall a sig B yea if I put dividin lin acros sign a said th t was t cabine and t bottom wa the base, that wou still b permissibl I gue m questi mor i if wanted si with bas lik eithe o D would tha b permissibl Yes, long i me the heigh requirement Okay s Are guess I confus now S do nee t ad a additiona sig o t reflect th fac tha there coul b potential Or this jus kin o this jus illustrating differe cas that mig com u if h ma sig significant taller i would sti be here Oka That' that's wh was tryin t understan is if yea w jus w didn't wa to sh eve permutation eve optio Jus wanted. totall understan t questio Anyway thank y very mu for that M Bruno Yea Tha you. I looks t me li sign B reall just a subse o sign Yea Oka You drawi sh sign a bei talle than t oth monumen signs ev thoug they're a subje t sam maximum heigh restrictio depending o location Right S i y hav sig and sig o sign compar t A, B o

compared to B the would b th sam heigh The would b le space o t fac of th sign Fac o sig f tex because wouldn't be It would be a tall as the other but not as wid Yeah that correc Tha would be desig decision Wha isn include he i tha the signs a regulate b bot heigh a maximu are o t sig fac if yo wer designi B y woul b under t sam are restrictions as any o the other one Can I s i I can clarif tha S t sig cabine could onl be pi a numb 100ft Yeah. T sig face The sig fac Yea H configure tha cabin and th bas is t t designer. lon a i doesn excee th maxim heigh Y have shor f sign on tal pedestal. You coul hav grea big tal sign on sho pedestal but it' abo squar footag of th sig n the squa footage o t bas correc Yeah. That' correct. I wil clarify we' mostl looking squar foota o th sig face sig cabinet Just t ran o things th peop u a base. A t functionality of tho a s wi within th city th we' looking at separat sides regulations fo those tha are, that are muc mor lenient I know Yea t variables thei sig siz a sig bas Ye Correct Oka Tha you. Let jus add don't hav particular problem wit sign lon a the t base shorter than the t sign cabinet. Yeah. Fai Oka Commissioner. Oll thi give tha o of the thin w

asked to do he is gi feedback lik t, think w chairma that threw ou a nugge o havin some kind percenta criteri I'm going b ver arbitrary a s something lik i becomes monument I t t bas is leas 5 o t cabin wit you know no matt how tall is like, y know, mak it a very, ver very fa bow f it t become monumen A s th two t 2 or leg or whatev i sig t cumulati width o t leg it standin on ha to a leas percent o 5 o t cabine wit A tha is yo distinguishing betwe what pol versu wha i monument Otherwi it'. wi g ver man computation that a basical skinn thr legg pol holdi u a whi ba o something Mak sense Commissioner Ton Thank you Mr Chairma M question th understan tha this is an illustratio you know, kind samples b doe thi impl thi collectio o all th rectang shape designs Does i imply tha we n allo a oth shape o would would i be allowed th have rou sig or they have sign differe shap Yes, th would b allowe unles w specificall wrote into t definitio that it h t be rectangle it would be allowe And we' seen lar number prett creati signs I just needs to mee the siz requirement

i they' round, ho do how do the mee the sign? So it just top a botto S it's t sam measurement a th rectang one Yeah. S it pretty easy W just go fr t highest point to th ground As fa a t area di thi t's n measurement tool t Septembe meeting A that's wh w would u wou b t eigh lin around th cabinet measu tha. Fo a lik circle or oval, i wou probably g measured wi rectangle at this point Oka Than you Commissione lolly ju t confirm like we have lik heigh facto th base plus the cabinet right? That's correc Oka Yeah. So it's n jus s t percenta o t bas is going b include becau we ha t area of t cabinet An then d determi the heig o t who sig right Ye A t width o y kno li o n jus t heigh Yeah The, th heigh i from th groun to th t t the top of t cabinet and t bas Yeah. The c even b sin fram tha actuall g over si face wel S we ar looking in th drafting how to reall clarify what wan to measure But w wouldn't looking something where t ba w use t elevate t si pas t maxim heigh Okay Thank you Commissione Bender Thank y chairma Agai tha y t t tea for fo looki a thi because yo know, thi reall c have impac on th look an fee in t community right As yo driv aroun and y s something that's wel don vers something that' n so we don M questio i abo existi signage A a you know, brand a companies a

ve pro o the of thei bran and the sig A they're ve particula Would we b changin anythin tha would retroactive? know yo kno tha if it a existi sig it woul b grandfathere I assuming. Would that correct Yeah. That correct Existin sig th didn't me t ordinan would non-conformin Right An a then kno there's so regulatio abo movin forward. I tha sign wa damaged o became disrepa t propert w vacated something li tha then would ha som regulatio arou h tha w manag and forth assum Right S if the w non-conformin si and t property wa abandoned, s f 2 or years An say i w redeveloped, they'd have comply with th ne ordinance wou that correc I'm sorry C y repe the las par of th sentence Yea I i say, you ha site that wa abandoned for thr yea and had monume sig a then th si w redevelop and t si w vacant fo thr years would they have t comply with the new They would have t comply with the ne regulations correc Yeah. I there w non-conformi sign th w abandoned and n used fo thre years, th cit wou be ab t requi i removal A th mar depending o what ty of tenancy w the previously Are we goin t regula t fon and t typ are w going t regulat any of tha I know there a some citi aroun tha d tha I that t i that o intenti here? T copy think i you

term Oh, lik the cop size, like the fon size, font siz the fon typ W don hav an drafts tha Now have se som samples o regulation that d tha I that something the commissio would like us t look into, we ca look into tha Jus curious. You know, have se some communities Kapell bein on right A it' ver consistent, but it' als boring S tho would b m comments I liv i Copperhil for a lon tim and it' also battle with l of national brands becau their fon i differen Exactly A i it's rea probl f people branding an I agree I agree with yo I would not recommen that. I would agree yeah yea Commissione Lingenfelter would jus s th thi a five of t sign a fin think a I agre wit what yo sai as far wha i n monumen sign, it doe resemble more o pole si t w that' that' depicted. So I, just as commen I that would b I that's, I agr with what you've don so fa Looks goo On fin question for me I I is it fai assumptio tha if I wa t build lar mason wa a p mou backl letters i would tha b measur t same a curre buildi sign with t smalles rectangle around it a opposed t cabinet S if yo wer to build thi und the n regulation and m monument sign was just b stone wall wi p mount letters, no cabine Oka think w would revi that a wall sig S measured li wal sign currently with th smalles rectangle that fit aroun i Okay that's wh I w assuming because we alrea have policy fo h that' measured Correct Okay, s we'd b consisten with that

That's how it' current measured We ar proposi t eigh eig lin measuri tool, which wou give a litt bit more leewa b it would still measured the same a any other wall. An so as opposed the cabinet, you us that measuring to f t monument si calculati about height an are F freestandin signs, we woul measure t cabinet, a for wal sig w woul measu aroun t cop Yeah. Bu m I guess my questi is if I've go a freestanding sig wit pin mounte lette o i we' use th sam tool w use for wal sig t measure t letter on th freestandin S if t wal constitutes freestandi sign, i wou ne t mee t requirements for the sig phase I t wal had structura reason fo existing, would b a wall, not sig Oka I think we' saying t sam thing Oka An just clarify s t t drawings, can seem to g back up on th screen for so reason b i those if those we jus lette as, a you'r describi with the p mounted would, there' n cabinet So w wou not b measuring There's n cabin t measure So yes I thi we would just us the eig lin aroun like th smalles area tha o th cop the sam way w calculate curre buildin sign It' on buildin Exactly. Oka That' what was assuming. I jus wanted to clarify. Oka Thank you Commission lolly jus wanted t confi tha we' ju reviewing t monument sign not t wal sig Right Th presentation about t monument signs Yea yea yeah it' in ligh o t direction were give o puls signs a the previous d Thank yo Oka Commissione Olli Dum questio alert Something sa abo Brand triggered. Trigger me. S i

company for lack of better word, a sig is sculptura logo o som kin Doe tha me because i doesn hav cabine cabin a copy an fa a all t oth requiremen tha w w need determine wha a sig i Doe th mea c bui as high ma it tall I wan Becaus it's no technical sign S if contain copy, it goi to be sig If it's publi art it woul b regulate differently S immediatel I p cop o i even i it's sculpture o so kin Can y spe to that M Mud I'm n sure. I' seen this S Francisco before. That' w kin o if build sculpture and p copy on i may electroni electron cop o i i doesn' have face. I doesn't ha bas sculpture and yo p on it the it' o it. It sig Yea Oka Yea the sam y wou g back to t sig definitio would b ordinan t gover tha think t hav haven't se i yet b I've se i Kelly. thi i t sculpture wa lik clear a lo that would als consider tha sig b tho would have to b evaluated case by cas because it get ver confusing. So f example t bi golde arche a consider sig not a M Okay And jus as random exampl Oka a oth questions staff N As

provid y adequat input do y'al need an actio from tonigh or that wh you were looking for Kristina, do we wan like an up down on the E Yeah. Do wan do you want you want pol of the group abo sig type Yea t t recommendation o considering bas o percentage may 5 o the t cabin are as consideratio o jus allowin without percentag measuremen Okay. Let m d this two way Jus as a sh of hands w lik the w it w wou agree wit E the wa it' current drawn Okay, so w g three that say oka wh wou like have minimum, let's s 5 case unde any o tho sig o E or that that a minim 50% just a rando numbe Okay I jus picki 50 a a, as a numbe It could be more it could be les We're looking fo Yea som, c som actua draftin o thi langua a the make recommendati bas o tha Yeah som proportiona siz soun goo Oka M Bronsky, do ha questio o M Ali'. Th when yo dri dow 15th the a the i a th has t city Pla o it Is th a o i tha sign It's sig Oka But it gre art think s too I ju wante t was whe h mentioned it, was thinkin it

my head. Go b it every da Than you A right Oka W good Thank you a ver much. Thank you. Ver thorough. We appreciate you wor A right La but n least comment of public interes Do hav register speak comment o publ interes Thi portion of t meeting is all up three minut per speaker wi 3 tot minut o items interes o concern, an n items tha are o the current agend T Planning and Zonin Commission m n ma n discu the items but ma respond wit factu o poli information T Planning a Zonin Commissio ma choos t place t ite o futu agendas T Presidi Office m modif the times deemed necessar Right Somebo registere W d have o registere speak by the na o Kryst Currie, b she n present That is n okay A right Y never kno wh somebod outside you kno So I jus wan to make sur Al right S any oth busine before th commissio this evening A rig then we'l sta adjourn a 9:05 p. Tha m