City Council - Regular Meeting

They'll say games, we're big cities, get everything still. That's what I thought I'd deal with.

Last year's budget is short. How much? 26, 26. We took that out of our reserves.

Yeah. So what happened, honestly? The per diem.

Oh, this...

We're not there yet, Bill. We're still here with the budget. You still need to look at the budget. I'm talking about the budget. Yeah, but you're talking about the resolution for the budget, and we're talking about the whole thing. You're just talking about one part of it. So we're not there yet.

We are there. Okay. Okay, so...

Do you want me to put $1,000 back or whatever it takes?

Whatever it's been running. If you want me to go, you have to pay. On average, you know how much it's been running in order to develop.

It looks like in the past few years we've spent $2,400, $1,800, $400, and $1,300. $1,800, I don't get it. That's what was spent on here.

What I'm saying is there's a better way to spend this money than the city's got. It sent us off on vacation. There probably is, Bill, but what I'm saying is that if you want me to go and represent the city at that meeting, then you'll have to cover my expenses because I cannot drive back after 8 o'clock at night on the air state. I just aren't going to do it. And it's one of the good things. I agree. It has to be. If somebody else wants to do it, that's fine. I'll hear them, but I Yes, and y'all, we have, so if I put the $3,000 back, we'll be putting $691 into reserves.

But I could put like $1,500. Would I go or do you think?

They're probably like 1.20 and top tickets.

Maybe 1.30, 1.40, depending on the time. Yeah.

Sometimes it's faster, but most of the time it's not so. I'll do 6,500.

Or? 6,500.

Do we need photo? Yeah.

Does that work?

You know, when it comes to the . Yeah. Do we have to do? There are millions that we have. I think this one is a little off. and that Ms. Landry should go. Unless, like she said, something that's lost another one. I'd rather be back on that now. I don't really think that that's the problem. I think it's more so that people are out in the bush. But that's the problem. We're still going to have to pay money. So do I need to, do we need to vote on putting 16 out of 11?

don't think we're going to take it out at that time second this this will back in for now or on here eventually Any other discussion on the budget? Any other discussion on the budget?

I haven't moved from one of them. My question, again, is we're taking from cash reserve to pay for something, another thing. Now, we're in that kind of trouble. we gotta go to reserve to make these notes later the next question is why was it not this budget i'm talking about thirty one thousand dollars

Any other discussion on the budget? We're going to move on to item 6. Resolution 2026, that's 26, but again, we're going to move on to item 621. Okay. Is that in this year's budget? It's in

the budget packet y'all just got, but it's not in this budget packet. It's on underwater. And it would be the 401-0007XX water repay loan, SRF number 620261, and it's the $62,000 or $62,708. So half of it's two payments a year. And that first loan payment is starting in August. So we have to make it this year in this budget.

You're right. We'll just . I thought we got funds for that year .

John, I'm not sure which one this is. 2-0, 2-2-2. I think that's the water filter. It's old. It's not one of these current ones that we've got. No, this would have been a completed project that we're just now starting to pay the loan on.

That's the water filter. It's the loan portion of the water filter. The water filter is over.

So how much? You said we're just now starting to pay your loan on it?

August this year. I have to make a payment.

So how many more of these do we have to do?

I have to probably 20 years.

20 years to 30 years.

Whatever.

Yeah, this is where the contract's in.

I might think it is. Yeah. It's like 1.9% low.

We have to buy a few loans, and that's one of them.

We didn't need our money.

We got almost $4 million. We borrowed a million to get to $5 million total. Or no, more than that. We borrowed.

It's usually like 80-20, and we're responsible for our 20%. And we do it over a loan at a low interest rate.

Okay. But we don't have the money. We're having to transfer.

We have the money in the bank. It just wasn't budgeted in this fiscal year.

It's a big on-time work.

Right. And then the budget document that y'all just received for next fiscal year, it's budgeted. It's budgeted.

We're still on time with

There was just a mistake, but I guess that this is the first thing. It started this year, not next year.

It started in October.

It wouldn't be any issue, right?

Anybody want a discussion on this? Anyone from the level of that city? I'll entertain a motion. Yes.

Yes. Yes.

to exceed Councilman Scott's four-way stop at Center Street and Main Street. Councilman, thank you. That's a name necessary. There's something the sheriff asked me about. I think it was Friday, maybe Saturday. I can't remember. He called me. It's the other intersection next to First Baptist. He said there's a... He's been told, anyways, and a stadium going on and Yeah, people were running across the railway and they didn't get a carriage. You know, you say that if he would think he would have slowed the traffic down. If there was any better suggestions, that would be great too. Just kind of look for a way to slow the traffic down to that one block area.

Mr. Mayor? Yes, sir. I attend church there. I cross that road every Sunday. Yes, sir. I've never seen an issue. Okay.

Has there been any accidents in that intersection? No.

And if you place that four-way there and close proximity to the other four-way, it's a short city block. You're gonna congest traffic, especially during school zone times. You're gonna have limited access for school buses to turn. You're gonna have problems with traffic issues if you place them there. I think if something wants to be done, we have to do an engineered study on that intersection to make sure it's feasible, but I'm not in support of that.

Okay, well, I did talk to my nearest church, and they told me they didn't necessarily say it was a big problem, but they said some of the people would cross the road as fast as others. That's the problem with walking all the way. In Medicaid, it was a problem every Sunday.

I don't know if it's on a big church or on eBay, I don't know. Usually, when the money approaches that railway, all traffic stops anyway. I've never seen anybody continue to drive since my walks in. It's managed very well by the people there. What about the ones across my garage? That's right. That's why I walk across. You can't put a crosswalk just right there? I think a crosswalk would be a perfect idea.

Yeah. For sure. There's a whole big parking lot in the back.

There's concerns about getting run over on Center Street. I don't have a tree to park in. Oh, this is crazy. We're in Florida. Oh, yeah. I think crosswalk is a perfect idea and some signage to help with that. There's a sidewalk right there. There's a sidewalk right there. Put it right there. Okay. You can make it a larger ashtop area, too. You can make it just a little bit bigger.

Those people across it, they look that long. They do. They can get their, they can go select some church members to get out there and direct traffic.

I will offer that. I will help. I'm there anyway. I will help. Yeah, it would be perfect. Yeah, it would. It wouldn't be that bad. No vote is covered by Jesper Church.

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I will pay more attention now that this has been brought up, and if I see an issue, I'll bring it back to the council and we'll discuss it further. But I haven't seen any issues. And I cross there with my granddaughters all the time.

Very good. Okay, agenda item 16, council to appoint one citizen to serve on fire. Perry Fire Prevention Board of Trinity and council taking action if necessary. We haven't wanted to go out and serve on that yet. Okay. I guess we'll continue to look for someone and keep on attending until we fill the position. 10.06.E, council to discuss the administrator evaluation and council taking action if necessary. Anybody else to order?

Oh, yeah. I heard it's more cheap.

That was sore. No, no, it wasn't.

I wish somebody would check all my emails for me.

I'll check and you may not like what I said.

where they would spend a lot more time out in the field with the guys, seeing what was going on and getting them, getting them out of the heart of the city. And I was all day signing forms and sending emails back and scanning papers. Once I get AI to respond to all my emails. Thank you, Eric.

I'll just say one thing, Scott. After a while, I'm sure I can, My wife didn't wash my butler.

Walked through the butler and they weren't clean.

Well, a while back, he said he needed $100,000,000 so he got everything updated and he found it.

And we're going to say, oh, well, so that's the problem. I don't think it's going to cover it. Right. We're going to do that.

Right. No, everything. And I know that you don't hear nothing. I'm going to tell you all that last week.

Yeah, the state been approving it in the first round. The parks grants, they've had the number one and number six project, which they're going to do in Loughridge. Second year in a row they didn't bring a single bird out. We were number one on the list.

Wow.

All right. Any more discussion on comments? 1096F, approval of amendments from July 14th, 2026, regular session. Any corrections? If not, I'll entertain a motion. No second. Second.

Council Member Bryan. Yes. Council Member Hampton. Yes. Council Member Leopold. Yes.

Council Member Landry. Yes. Very good. And I'm 6G. Approved amendments. 28.26 regular session. Incorrections or omissions? No. There's a motion. So moved.

Seconded.

Dr. Grimes? Dr. Manson? Yes. Dr. Woodball? Yes. Dr. Lansing? Yes. Dr. Kessler?

Yes.

Anything? Yeah. Harvey's trying to get all of our inspection and testing reports for hydrants up to speed. That's been done very well lately. And we have about, they've estimated 30 to 40 private power hydrants that we have zero paperwork for that have ever been tested or flowed or any of that. he's going to send them a letter but in the letter he's going to give them the option to use us as a flow testing um because it includes a fee i believe might be done by ordinance so i have to prove all fees most of them were in the 50 to 200 range i think rb was thinking about 75 for just the flow test and then 150 for the um

This is a capacity test or a pressure test, yes.

A pressure test.

John, when you say private, are these at residence?

No, this is like Walmart. Oh, business. That'll really help our ISO score, because right now we have no records for any of those private ones. So we're going to send them a letter, give them the option to get it done on their own, send us paperwork, or we'll do it for a pretty relatively low fee.

Have they all been prepared or checked out by our guys?

Not that we're not allowed to until they give us permission. They're theirs.

What?

They're the businesses. They haven't been. They're on our water system, but it's the business's hydrant. So they were responsible for them. Definitely. I've got to figure out that if we break one of them, I'll have to pretend to be. What to do then? We'll get in front of Jesus. I'm bringing all this back next meeting with the fee schedule so we can get that started.

John, I could agree. You said there's how many probably? 30 to 40. Wal-Mart and other shopping businesses?

Yeah, probably Superbuffet and all that thing.

I'm sure Harvey's got all this.

And then you can put it on. And that's what it does say.

I'll get to that. Him and Andrew worked on it today to get it together. Please submit, counsel. The list of private housing. I don't have any data on it. This came up today. I just want to go ahead and tell you that I was going to bring you an ordinance next meeting.

Yeah. I was scared that could come here. So in the past, The fire department has just tested on the city of Tigards. He's going a little further this year and testing any of these cities he can find. We're going to send a letter and say you have the option to test it on your own. The reason this came up is this time he expanded beyond what you usually look at. Or have we tested these?

No, you rely on the owner to test it. Hopefully they're going to send you the information. We haven't been getting anything back.

I'm sorry to ask some questions. I found out Now Dean's here, too. So, yeah.

OK. John, speaking of Super 4, that smell is making me hairy.

They've been having a lot of issues here the last while, but really the last week. John's saying, I don't think anyone shut them down. He wants to threaten them, because they're missing our plan, though. We talked about that this morning. They've been racking up the files and everything. I guess it's just cheaper for them to run it bad than try to run it the way they need to. I know they had turnover with some operators, too. But they can tell sometimes when an operator's there and when a different one's there.

Yeah, yeah.

I want to talk about the camera just a minute.

Oh, yeah.

Got all of that. I got a phone call the other day that brought this.

It was really confusing how the motion went. At one point, it was just the license plate reading cameras. It sounded like somebody in the back said, no, all cameras. And then we said, yeah, that's the motion. All cameras. So that includes the cameras we have in the garbage trucks. driving the truck and watches outside and how you're picking up this. I wasn't taking them out because it's stored data on a cloud somewhere. I don't know what they're doing. We have cameras in our yard of trucks.

Was the intent of the council just for the LPR?

Yes.

The block cameras. The block cameras, yes. We want to keep it on some parts.

We've covered those up.

Yeah. We need some kind of cameras in the parks so they don't have to be flocked.

They're flocked brand cameras. They don't read license plates.

They don't read license plates. The ones in the parks do not read license plates.

Do they store them? No. Wow. I was on the flock.

License plate readers. So just a license plate reader program. Yes. Okay.

And all companies that try and come in.

Right. how it feels you're reading the license plate.

So it takes the license plate of the violator only. If they're speeding.

So it has like a sensor that it clicks on.

If they're speeding, it takes a picture. So we send them the picture. Yeah, that's red speed. Which, by the way, we'll start the 30-day warning period starting Monday. So it'll be 30 days of warnings and we'll get it to the newspaper. We'll get some stuff pushed out about the warning period to make sure we're in compliance with that.

That's in the school zone?

Yes, ma'am.

School zone. There's four school zones?

Four school zones, yeah. I'm seeing the signs. That's very good signs. It takes your attention.

And this morning, and yesterday morning, people were doing the speed limit. Partially already accomplished right now. Mostly. I'm sure there's some people that weren't the ones I saw.

It was noticeable. Yeah. And they're not even active yet. Good job.

Let's have a motion to remove all automated light recognition cameras.

You can't say that if you want to keep the schools on camera. ALPR programs only. Only ALPR programs.

They were taking seats on cameras.

So, their motion.

still speaks on cameras. Schools speak on cameras.

You could add to the motion that the schools speak on cameras are not part of this. I don't think that was intended.

The school campus can be involved in this. That's what we're saying.

The motion was so broad that it could be interpreted as preventing any cameras. The trial of the trial could begin. Well, and you know, I did note, I sent, y'all get the email? That we canceled all of it, they're supposed to be related to everything? Right, exactly.

The motion was to continue, discontinue the trial.

Okay, if that's the motion, then everything else? That was. Okay.

And to remove all of the cameras.

Yeah.

Well, you know, we had it also put in the parks. That's part, cameras are part of that trial.

Right, because we were having all these trouble with the parks, and you said you thought you had a solution. Any direction, you're already trying to do something about it. Just to say it. Not saying there ain't any other way to use them in the process. They're kind of a confused pay here.

How about I'll bring back options for the parks later, and we'll just basically say as that trial is over, And if we decide to do cameras, even if it's with flaw, you would have to approve. Is that fine? Yes. It depends. For those cameras, it's $3,000 per camera. For a year. For a year. And we can't find anything cheaper. We looked at a solution one time, and it was going to cost us over $100,000. I don't recall it.

That was Motorola. Yeah. What about the cameras that are on the doors?

I mean, they have been useful to us. Yeah. I'd like to take a look. Did you start pulling them out? The motion said all cameras. And me and War got to talk to them. We weren't thinking of moving.

You know, I'm licensed with 80 radios.

I think we'd have to have a new motion to exempt the school home speed cameras and all other cameras that are not ALPR program homes. I think that will clean it up and there would be nowhere for someone to attack that later. Just a suggestion.

Yeah, because we did want another company coming here trying to sell us the same program. Yeah, we felt bad. John, what does the garbage truck camera do?

It's one facing the driver. Make sure he's not distracted by his phone. In cab, facing cab. In cab, out cab, and then on the sides and back.

There you go. And then one follow-up question. I don't know if it was here, but I know many departments have cameras in the patrol cars that constantly scan traffic for license plates and it alerts the officer if there is a warrant or something like that. Do your cars have that current?

They have the capability, but we don't have it enabled or not. That's more money. We, so it's just a video.

Video that does not operate.

It does not read buttons. Yeah. Yes. It's been around for 30 years. ALPR has been around for a long while. So yeah. Yeah. Probably almost 40 years. If you look at some of the military installations, because they use them there.

I really get the rest of the work is left over technology from the military. So yeah, probably. Yeah. there and be able to get it. Yeah, exactly. I've learned.

Yeah.

So, okay. So, Ronnie, we will take a motion.

I'll take a motion for that. Yes. I'll take a motion. Is there a resolution? Is there one? i think the motion to the intent of the original motion was to eliminate an alpr program in the city i think that by itself is tailored specifically enough to say that can't come here an alpr program

Right.

So, you know, that way we don't eliminate cameras on garbage trucks, cameras in parks if we need them, cameras anywhere else. Or we don't negatively impact businesses that don't have their own cameras up for their security. I think, you know, a motion to prohibit or a moratorium to prohibit ARPR programs in the city would eliminate anybody coming in. I think that would be a tailored scenario enough where you wouldn't impact cameras that are useful that are not ALPR.

So... I don't see anybody wrong with motion. I really hate myself. But... Do you know what it meant, emotion?

I wasn't here. Well, the thing is, we have to be clear because... It was clear. What does AOPR stand for? All Cameras. You know what the minute says.

Ms. Landry asked about the cameras in the parks and somebody in the back of the crowd yelled out, we want all cameras. And somebody said, yes, that's what we want.

That's what we're about to do. It's in there.

Can you tell us what the poster reads now, John? I think April 1st. I don't take correction from the audience. And it says in the trial program, trial program. That's what I reported. I didn't get it. Just because I'm yelling back, I didn't get it.

Okay, so it says prohibited AR, VR cameras. But the schools on cameras take pictures. It's what's in the minutes. We're over a minute's welcome then. We're over a minute's welcome then.

We're over a minute's welcome then. We're over a minute's welcome then. We're over a minute's welcome then.

We're over a minute's welcome then. But if that much, if that ALPR stays in there, we can't do the school-grown stuff.

So what type of cameras are we trying to get rid of? ARPR programs. Okay.

We'll just edit that. So that we don't have cameras just for reading tags. The cameras we've got at the school-grown are for taking a picture of a violator's tag, not for just people driving by. And that's what they're using.

Okay. trial period going on. Not the school campus. The motion was to end the trial period and to remove all campus. Yes, ma'am, I agree. If the cameras are part of the trial period, then they need to be removed.

I agree.

That is the motion. That is approved.

Yes, ma'am. I agree. That's the motion. But I think looking at the motion and reading it, that that one section of the ALPR could call this an issue in the school zones if it's not changed to allow the enforcement of speeding with it. Oh, he's a cop, cameras, go ahead. No, it's Red Speed is the name of the company. Yeah, there's a lot of cameras, there are a lot of different cameras.

Okay, so moving on to all the gut cameras. Ms. Sabin, if I may. I understand what you're saying. But no one could contest him speaking to you because you guys made a motion that said involve APR captain. Correct. If he's trying to say he made an exception that for school room cameras are carved out, he won't have to pay that. I go with him. I never use the ARPR in my mission. But I think Four minutes, Mr. Pugh said to do.

How's the parole?

Four minutes to the law.

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Yes.

ALPR, Red City. Yes. A lot of cameras become a burden. Yes. That's actually happening now. Yeah. So, what we need to do is make sure we let's accept the, let's accept the students on cameras in schools.

And that would be appropriate as a new motion to allow that. Well, you already approved the contract, but I think this current vote would eliminate that if somebody, like you said, if somebody argued that you said you couldn't use cameras to read tags, but I got a ticket because you read my tag. That's that argument, and I'm trying, in the legal world, I'm trying to make sure we have it tailored so we can keep the program school safe. Yes. so it's not easy to make a motion to less than accept the school it's on camera now i wouldn't do that i would say that that um actually it'd be cleaner to say that um the prior approved contract for red steam is not impacted by the alp or moratorium in the city That's a lot. What I said? Yes. That's her motion, what I said.

I thought that's what I said.

It was close, yeah. I think we're all dancing around.

Yeah.

Now we're clear on what we're doing.

And Jamie, that covers everything. It's melt. Woo, it's in the breeze.

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Then everybody else has got a dash cam. All right.

Who is not with us tonight? She texted all of us. She ran into some issues while she was in Tallahassee. Oh, gosh. Sam, did we have anything?

We didn't have anything. This one is to pray for our community. And I feel it's going on. What happened every day is the greatest thing. And I have friends like this. and what's going on in our community right now. We just need to pray and ask for, you know, God to shield us and give us peace and grace Because our young children have this blood, our families need us. We need each other. And I just hope that whoever is responsible for this rent this crime that they will soon be brought to justice. That is my faith in the city of Beacon. Thank you. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Other concerns about the possibility of the housing development on 2-21, particular concerns about the flooding, that is already happening, has been happening for years on Bowers Street, but it's gonna feed right into that and make it worse. And also bringing the property values down of the neighborhood that it's being built next to. Those are just some thoughts on that. And I know nothing's been done on that, no decisions, no permits or anything like that. They're just throwing that out there for the board that makes those decisions will make them aware. And also I need, I guess I could have called Danielle about it, but there's a hole at the end of High Street where it goes into Jefferson, 221 there. And it was patched one time and part of the match held, but the other part didn't. So if they could patch that hole it would be helpful. Is there anything that we could do about the vegetation? It's on the fences and it's connected to the bike poles. Somebody on Warner Ave. Storm drain. Yeah, storm drain area, your retention pond. It's getting out of range. And when they come over there and mow it, they're not weed-eating, so that's keeping it going, the poles and the stop signs. And that retention point off of, what's the state? Front? By projects, huh? By Tidewater.

Front? Second? Or first?

Yeah, where that retention point's at. I know right now with all this rain, it probably can't get cleaned out, but as soon as it dries up, can we get it cleaned out? That's all I have.

Bill? That's all. The front door of a building about meetings is on a county stationary. And one of the meetings is in here. You know what? You know what time? It's just a lot of days.

They're putting it out.

What?

They're putting it out. Who signed it?

The county's having a data center workshop, I think, next. 25th. 25th. You don't want to go to that.

It should be a good old flock camera show. I was notified, and I haven't gone and looked at it, but on North Calhoun, north of High Street, somewhere on that there's a lot of stakeholders that don't. I hope I don't say anything else. Thank you all for coming. Oh, I'd like to go on call.

I'd like to take my time. That's the answer.

I guess.