City Council - Regular Meeting

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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank y'all for being here tonight. Yes, I wrote that.

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Council Member Hanson. Here. Council Member Woodfall. Vice Mayor Landry. Here. Mayor Fitzgerald.

Here. Item number three, approval of items on the consent agenda. Very worried about how long the resolution 2026 there from before. Resolution 2026 at 25. Or it's 1060 in order to stand 61 to have motion. Yes. Yes. Number four, receiving requests from the general public. Is there anyone here who wants to speak on anything that is not on the agenda? Please come forward.

Hello.

My name is Ernest A. Mitchell, 1218 North Parkview Street, Barrett, Florida, 32348. I am here tonight as Vice President of the Taylor County Leadership Council, as well as the lifelong resident and taxpayer of Perry. It saddens me to deeply have to stand before this council again under these circumstances. My frustration with our current administration runs incredibly deep in this time for our council. While I attend these meetings regularly to stay informed, the last time I stood at this podium on behalf of the Leadership Council was back in 2018. Now this council voted to approve a $5,000 donation for our demolition and renovation efforts. As many of you remember, getting those approved funds appropriated faced immense opposition. Immediately following the difficult chapter, the city council voted to completely cut all financial funding to all nonprofit organizations. However, I am not here today to open old rooms. The recent actions taken by our current city manager, John Hart, at the June 30th school board meeting have forced me to break my silence. During that meeting, Mr. Hart chose to lobby the school board against putting a historical deed restriction on the old Brockville, a structure that once proudly served our community as an elementary school. To support his argument, he instructed the board to pull up photos in which he provided stating verbatim, you don't have to go very far to see what happens when we save a building with sentiment rather than common sense. A permanent deed restriction on the rock building risks repeating this same mistake already made. At that exact moment, the images flashed on the screen. They were pictures of the unused portion of the Jerkins Community Center the Historic Jerking School, a historical site that is listed in the Florida Black Heritage Trail Guide, published by the Florida Department of State Division of Historical Resources, the Florida Network of African American History Museums, the Florida Division of Historical Resources Archives, and the National Trust for Historic Preservation. The only mistake made that day was by the city manager himself, who illegally trespassed onto our property to capture photos for a deceptive gotcha moment to fuel his own agenda. For a current city manager to stand before a public body, point at a privately owned functioning black community center and claim its preservation was a mistake, was a disgrace and overreach of his authority and a direct insult of the African-American community. Let me correct the record. Jerkin High School was a sanctuary under Jim Crow. Today at the Jerkins Community Center, it is a living, breathing bridge for our future. Jerkins was the very first location to host a Head Start program in the city of Perry. And right now it continues to serve as an active host and land site for that vital program. For years, it has been our local Boys and Girls Club. It historically hosted one of the largest spring carnivals in the city's history. Just three years ago, it was a proud home of the Jerkins Leadership Academy, and how the active community media center equipped with more than 11 Apple computers. Today, we are proud to serve as a hosting site on the Toys for Tots for the third consecutive year. And we recently installed a community garden known as the Jerkins Community at St. Copeland Garden, an achievement so impactful an entire article was written about it in the local newspaper. When our community hurts, Jerkins is there to heal it. After the devastating closure to the local mill, we even came before this very council to assist the local food truck owner, offering them land opportunities on our site to help ease their financial constraints. Furthermore, before the devastating destruction of Hurricanes Idalia and Helene, the leadership council had completed more than $100,000 in renovations to this facility through private philanthropic donations and out of our own determination. It remains a lifeline that provides affordable rental space for grassroots non-profits, birthdays, anniversaries, and most secularly bereaved families, repayers. It continues to serve as Precinct 13 of the county's largest voting district, and it draws tourists and visitors to Perry directly contributing to our city's financial stability. So my question is, how does a city manager paid by the taxpayers remains so utterly blind to what is actually happening in his own community. How do you look at a building and claim it is inoperable or unusable when the outside lights remain on 24 hours a day? To stand before a public board and assume this center is not in use is totally absurd. Mr. Hart stood before the school board and claimed he was speaking merely as a concerned citizen, but his actions screamed otherwise. It seems to me that he is actively working in cahoots with the school superintendent to fast track a sale, pave the way for private developers, and circumvent the legality of historical preservation so the old rock building can be demolished. If his defense is that he is looking to provide low-income housing to the community, he is not aware that there is active construction for affordable homes already taking place right behind the Chevrolet dealership. Those affordable homes will serve our low-income and working residents, our teachers, our nurses, and our local professionals. Those homes are being constructed with a minimum of four bedrooms, two car garages, and a neighborhood clubhouse. We do not need to demolish our history under the guise of progress and real development is already happening. It should be the primary goal of a city manager to secure, maintain, and protect our city buildings and parks. Yet Mr. Hart has shown a glaring offensive patterns of selective oversight. If he wants to take pictures of neglect, he doesn't need to commit a felony and trespass on our property. He can look at the property the city actually owns. Let's look at the blatant disparities in how our parks are managed on our side of town. The city-owned Lost Bridge Community Center located in the heart of the African-American community is in a state of desperate despair. At one point, there was no active power on the entire left side of the building. It suffers from filthy restrooms and complete lack of basic cleaning supplies or toilet tissue. One community member stated on Facebook she was making mud puddles when she tried to mop it up. Another community member stated the walls and floor needs to be pressure washed, so do the tables and chairs. At the Gerald Walker Park, or as many of us call it, Jerkins Park, the splash pad had so much standing water at one point that our children were trying to swim in it like it was a pool. Residents have continuously complained that the water at the Jerkins Park splash pad runs significantly hotter than the water at the city's main splash pad. Furthermore, when we use Lockbridge Park for the Mayday Kickball, and I want to say thank you to Mayday Kickball Games, players literally had to pick briars out of the softball field by hand because of the absolute dereliction of our public fees. Why didn't Mr. Hart capture photos of that? Why didn't he display the dozens of probably owned empty crumbling buildings all over Perry before and after the storms? He didn't bother visiting the old Gladys Moore school where the back portions are heavily dilapidated. He didn't even bother to take pictures of the inside or outside of the old rock building to make his actual argument. Instead, he targeted Jerkins. You do not need to turn, you do not get to turn off your title as city manager when it is convenient for you to dismount to our community's history. For a city manager to use a backdoor alliance with the school administration to clear land for developers while ignoring the infrastructure failures the hot water, the standing water, and the filth and city profits he has paid to manage, forces us to question his true motives, his competence, and his ethics. I know I have consumed my time, but this information had to be laid before the city. Mr. Hart is not present tonight, but I can no longer wait to address these urgent concerns. I expect this council to hold him accountable. We want our city buildings repaired, We want our parks and splash pads equally and properly maintained. And I look forward to reading his reading rationale as to why he felt the need to desecrate the legacy of Jerkins to score points for private developers. I must say that my heart was very broken that someone could walk onto private property to try and prove a point that had nothing to do with the school board or any other parts of this community. The last time I came here, we were given $5,000. The board did not want to give us the $5,000. We had never come before the city and asked for anything. Thank you for the money that you did appropriate at that time, because we did demolish the portion that was in the classroom, some walls that needed to come down. We were able to put in new flooring and put in, like I said, 11 Apple computers. And it was a functioning media center. until Hurricane Helene came and destroyed our roof. So for someone, there are portions that once again, because of the hurricane, funding does not run like water to our community. So yes, we do have some areas that once we did clean it, it was perfect. I even showed them pictures that clearly showed we had taken care of those areas, but due to the storms and due to lack of resources in this community, we are still hurting. But for a city manager to cross the line and walk on private property, I have a very big problem with that. Because I, as a regular citizen, as he stated, cannot go to one of your homes or to one of your private businesses and take photos and display it across the school board. That is a disrespect to us, to an organization that's been around since 1993, to a school that was built in 1951, to a school that has suffered so much in this community. And now it is functioning. And it's still functioning. We are still open. And to say that it's unused, that was a slap in the face. And for him as a city manager not to know what's going on in the community, I pray that you take this time and really review his work as I know that that process is coming forward. Because once again, I do attend the meeting. I pray that you are really, really looking to what you have as a city manager operating in this community.

Thank you. Thank you for sharing that with us. And I just want to say, I'm really sorry it happened. But I like an offer at this point.

I greatly appreciate that.

I really do. Thank you.

Thank you.

Has anyone else had anything that is not on the agenda? Hearing, seeing, anyone want to move on to I don't know if I have some bids and RAQs or have any bids or RAQs at this point. All right, general business. Item 6A, council to discuss DW620290, supplemental appropriation for hurricanes to lean and Milton agreement. Council will take any action being necessary.

This is a lot of these are requirements to be able to get the money. Now, if you will look at item 6A, this funding supports a new water well and water main replacement. Now read the next sentence. contingent upon funding availability. So we've been saying we got all this, there's no money, but there is now.

There is now. So this provides funding for $300,000 for the planning fees and the amount that's fully given. Even though it does note repayment obligation when you look at the terms, it's 100%. actually covered, and so there should not be, or not should not be, there will be no city obligation to provide $300,000. It is a part of the standard state revolving funding that we've had back in the past, but now, as you see with all these contracts, including ADURA as the engineering partners that you'll be reviewing tonight to decide whether to agree to move forward, there are haste and then greater because now we're dealing with a lot more money and a lot more opportunities. So this particular one, the first one, DW620290, the Supplemental Appropriation for Hurricanes.

Madam Attorney, I don't know how you got pranked up, but... Well, I guess you gestured to what we... No.

I apologize.

Well, I don't apologize for giving the truth, but I thought you gestured to what we... Do we have our cash coming?

Yes, sir.

We know we do?

Yes. Yes.

That's what we have an engineer back there that knows all about this.

Would you like to speak on that, please, sir?

Thank you, Matt, and thank you, Councilmember. This is actually the hurricane funding that was allotted to you. So there's only two pages. One will be planning where we actually gonna tell them where we're gonna get the plans and everything else. And then once they approve that, they release the rest of the funds to do the construction. It's an reimbursement rate. So as you spend the money, you send them the bill and get paid. So it's $34 million in total. 300 is for the planning. 34 million for water. Yes, 34 million for water. So this can be used for many, a multitude of the projects. So we'll be starting those. There's one more coming later on. That's more visible. So all you need to do is have the mayor sign it, give approval to the mayor to sign the contract. So the next two items. No, sir, this is just the work.

Yes.

And then there is another contract with the fund for sewer from SRI. But the next item on the agenda is different.

one question uh is there any more discussion i'll have a 6a if not i mean i'll entertain emotional 6a yes Yeah, I'm 60. Cancel to discuss engineering contract. We're in this in 032 Grant. Waste water treatment facility, piglets handling improvements. Cancel to take any action made necessary. Motion to sign the contract. Motion to have a second.

Okay, so the next, you want me to discuss all three together? Okay, so item B, C, and D. the city actually received CBCPR funds. And those are super wastewater treatment plants. One to do improvements at the wastewater treatment plant. Another one, you do not have any biosolid facility to handle the solid that's generated at the facility. So that's to do that. And then for the existing well, which the city has been using and has no treatment, it would provide a treatment for that. The funding has been, given to you and this is the contract to start the work. Without that you can't do anything. And they said no matter? It's $25,000. So there is $12,000 for wastewater improvement and I think approximately $8,000 for the solids and $4,000,000 for water.

And you'll be able to start them. Want to have a new

Yes, that's already started. So this is part of our contract. This went through a selection process and we were selected.

Thank you. Great emotional table. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes.

Council Member Hampton. Yes. Vice Mayor Landry. Yes. Vice Mayor Hampton.

Yes. Again, Item 6C, Council to discuss engineering contract for Hennepin. There are three free grant waste water treatment facility silence handling improvements. Council will take any action made necessary. Motion signed. Motion.

We have a second. Yes. I just want to make sure that everyone is stupid. Oh, it's gone.

Does anybody from the public have anything to address on these? Any of these items? Okay. Very good. Thank you. Motion to say.

Councilor Brown?

Yes.

Councilor Ramsey? Yes. Councilor Landry? Yes. Very good.

Yes. Agenda item 60. Yep. To discuss engineering contract for MS034 grant. drinking water plant rehabilitation. Council will take any action deemed necessary. Motion to sign.

Clerk.

Council Member Barnes?

Yes.

Council Member Hampton? Yes. Council Member Landry?

Yes.

Mayor Kinser?

Yes. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Agenda Item 6E. Council to discuss Flop cameras. Council to take any action deemed necessary.

Mr. Mayor, we have a representative from FLOC here tonight. This is Jalen Johnson, and he has a presentation. Okay.

Good evening, Council, Mayor, staff. As Chief said, my name is Jalen Johnson. I'm a public affairs manager at FLOC Safety. I have a quick, probably 10 slides for you all to kind of answer a lot of questions about who we are, what we do, and what we do not do. And then I'll open it up at the end. So Block Safety, we are an American public safety technology company founded in 2017 in the city of Atlanta, Georgia. And we were founded by our CEO, who was a Georgia Tech engineer graduate who had an uptick of crime that occurred in his neighborhood. Can we go back? Go ahead. Had an uptick of crime that occurred in his neighborhood. They decided that they wanted to come together and create license plate reader that would help police with objective evidence to solve crimes more effectively. So today we have over 12,000 customers. We operate in 49 out of 50 states. Alaska is the only holdout right now. We are proudly helping law enforcement solve over 2,800 crimes a day using our internet. We have 1,500 businesses that are currently protected by FLOC as well. So what we believe is that we are a collaborative policing technology. We don't do the work that police officers probably do each and every day. We are a tool that is a force multiplier for law enforcement agencies all across the country. Now, what I like to start by saying is the one thing we can agree on is that everyone deserves to feel safe. And that's what we pride ourselves on at FLOC each and every day. This slide right here is just an example of what a real-time alert would look like. So we understand that those amber alerts, we have missing children, or those silver alerts, we have missing older adults. These are critical moments where every second... And this is what an officer would see on their interface. Of course, these things are multi-factor authenticated, so it's not like anybody can have access to it. These officers are trained, and they have their devices, and they can give those real-time alerts to where they can... effectively use that evidence to help bring missing children back home.

Excuse me. Is some of that information where you see it on the screen if you're on the interstate and they'll flash up a silver alert or amber alert or whatever and they list the car and the license plate derived from the plot information?

No, so we don't create those alerts. Those are state and local law enforcement agency that will create those alerts but we're just a system where like if the license plate is connected to a missing child if one of our cameras get a hit on that license plate it'll then be sent to the law enforcement agency to kind of imagine and say hey we just saw this vehicle at this location at this time so we don't generate the alerts we don't we don't create amber alerts those are separate hot lists separate law enforcement databases all This slide right here just kind of shows what we're viewing when we are capturing those point-in-time images. So there's a lot of misconceptions about automatic license plate readers and what they do. An automatic license plate reader is simply a point-in-time image of the back of a vehicle and a public government document from a public roadway. So this is as simple as something that any of us can go outside and do with our iPhone. Any of us can go and stand in the middle of the road and take pictures of the back of cars with our phones. Our cameras are not taking pictures of people. We're not taking pictures of faces. We don't do facial recognition. We don't even know who's driving the car. We're simply taking this picture of the back of a vehicle and a light display, which will help provide that objective evidence, that point in time moment to where law enforcement can use that tool to be more effective at solving crime. Because old school policing was you get a little bit on the lookout, right? You send out officers and you look for every vehicle that fits that description. Well, that's the old way of doing it. Now we can be more precise. We can be more effective and we can hone in a lot quicker to bring more missing children home, to solve more violent crimes, to assist the police departments in that regard. And so it's only collected the vehicles made, the body type, color. There's any identifiable feature like a roof rack or a bike rack or anything like that that can help literally pinpoint the vehicle that law enforcement is looking for.

Are you taking pictures of every vehicle that goes by or just once a year?

So that's a good question. Take a picture of every license plate on that public roadway. However, the data is only retained for 30 days. So we believe at FLOC that 30 days is a healthy number for those images to be stored in the cloud. And if the vehicle's never a vehicle of interest or it's not connected to a crime or a missing child or a missing older adult, the vehicle would never be alerted and notified to law enforcement. You would just carry on with your day-to-day like you do in any other public roadway. But if that vehicle is connected to a murder or a missing child, it's going to be flat, and law enforcement is going to know what direction that vehicle is headed in. That's how it works. This is just a fancy slot to say that the cameras work at night. We understand that the crowd doesn't sleep, and so neither do our cameras. Thanks. This is probably my favorite slide because being a mature and a responsible private company that assists law enforcement with public safety technology, it's important for people to understand that we literally build our products with privacy in mind. And so the data is 100% owned by the customer, which is you all. The city owns the data 100%. We have no access to it. No one can come to us and ask us. to release something to them or to give them a backdoor into your systems. Your administrator controls your data. What do we mean by data? Let's go back to what we were talking about in the original slide. It's simply a picture of the back of a car of a public government document from a public roadway. We don't have access to PII, personal identifiable information. We don't have access to any CJIS, criminal justice, Officers are privy to. Right. So, again, you take a picture of the back of that car. Police still have to do the job of police. They still have to verify that plate. That human element is still there. And if they run that plate in their criminal justice systems to then find out who you are, what's your address and all that private information, we don't have access to any of that. Private customers do not have access to any government data or hot list. So what do I mean by that? We also have like HOAs and different community groups are able to utilize our products, but they don't have access to the same database system that law enforcement agencies are privy to.

Again, just out of curiosity, what would an HOA be?

What would they be? So here's a great question. So in fact, we actually started when FLOC was first founded and first created, We actually, our first customers, our first products were used in HOAs and community groups. That's how we started. Law enforcement weren't our first customers. It was community groups who basically wanted those cameras at the entrance and exits of their neighborhoods because they saw people breaking their cars and crime were happening. Well, they were able to collect those, the license plates using those cameras, and then they could turn over those images to law enforcement who then could act on that objective information. So they're not, it's simply, it's just a camera. That's all. So they would turn over those images to law enforcement and then law enforcement could thumb through them appropriately and then kind of narrow down how many times has this car been in the neighborhood and investigatory work. So again, we're not taking any of the police work out of policing. The police still have to do their job. We're just giving them a tool like another tool to help them and assist them in their role more efficiently. It helps them do the job quicker. It's not the old way of policing. It's more technological, a new way of policing. Again, our license plate readers are only taking images of publicly available information. Only your agency decides who to share with, not FLOC. Again, there's no backdoor access. There's no FLOC person telling who Perry shares with. Your community, your agency decides who you want to share with. If you only want to share with adjacent counties and adjacent agencies, it's your prerogative. If you only want to share within the state of Florida, it's your prerogative, and vice versa. If you want to share with any federal agency, for example, at Sharp Rock. We've made it extremely clear that we have nothing to do with that because we understand that community safety, community values do not have to come at the expense of community safety. Those two things can and should exist at the same time, and it is up to you all to decide who you share it with. Again, no facial recognition. And if you look on the right side, all of our data is end-to-end encrypted. Certification at the federal level that you can think of, all of the fancy three-letter agencies, we're FBI seizure certified, we're NDAA SOC 2 Type 2 certified, and there's a screen for all of you cybersecurity nerds to read. And if anybody needs any more detailed information on our cybersecurity posture, I'm more than happy to provide that to you at the end of the meeting. I myself am not a cybersecurity expert, but I can help get those answers for you.

You said that it's deleted after 30 days.

Yes, ma'am.

It's a great question. So if an image is being used to, as an evidentiary purposes, right?

So let's say an armed robbery occurs and we have a partial plague, the agency buys that bill, you know, and it is now that

the preservation of evidence that will fall under that statute so then they can take that image out of the database and use it for evidentiary purposes so that's that's a separate you know that's a separate item from from just flow so playing images that aren't meeting anything if you delete them after 30 days kind of see what you need oh yes if you want to come up and finish this presentation if you would you come up and have a question do you want to yeah Okay, so like I said in the beginning, if a vehicle's not on the hot list, it's not connected to a crime or a missing person, if it's not flagged, if there's no reason for that vehicle to be, the image to be looked at by the police department, again, you're on your day-to-day drives, right? You're not connected to a crime or a missing person, that image is automatically deleted after 30 days because it's not being pulled from the system to be used for evidence purposes. And so, um, Unless it's being used for evidence, it's hard to delete it after 30 days.

But if they need it, they still have access to it.

Only within that window. For example, if a crime is committed at day 31 and the police department realizes it at that time, it's automatically deleted. It's gone. Even if they wanted to go back 31, 32 days, it's gone. So our system automatically deletes those. So if they want to preserve any images or any Any data for evidentiary purposes, they have to pull it out within that 30 day window. There is no way or other way to get around that. So it's unfortunate, right? So it's a very, very bad thing.

Yeah. Yes, yes, ma'am.

I have a couple questions right now that I may ask.

Yes, sir. When it's delayed and how is it delayed? Yes, sir. The images, they go to a secure AWS GovCloud. And there's a whole process of how the images are pretty much bleached out of the system. They're kind of white. So the servers aren't at your facility? It's a GovCloud. It's a web. So it's not like a physical location or anything. It lives in the cloud. We don't have a physical facility where we store it. So you delete it on the cloud?

Yes. And you said you don't use facial recognition?

Correct, we do not use facial recognition.

Okay, it's recognized in cars, it's recognized in tags, but it's not recognized in faces. Correct.

It's only taken the images of the vehicle in a public government document.

So it's even recognition software, not facial recognition software? I'm sorry? It's even recognition software, but it's not using facial recognition?

like machine learning and things of that nature to capture images of a license plate. That's what it's designed to recognize. It's not designed to recognize people whatsoever. So the hardware does not have the ability to do that. So even if a person was in the image of it, the camera is taking those snapshots, it's going to get the best quality of that plate. It's not designed to take pictures of people at all.

How do you prove who's driving that vehicle?

Yeah, that's more in-depth when you get to criminal justice and law enforcement related things.

Why do I want something that's going to cost me a lot of money that you can't identify who's driving?

So there's a lot of different ways you can point a vehicle being at a place at a certain time. Now you get into more of the criminal justice aspect of it and the prosecutorial aspect of it. But we've been very successful all across the country. And I'll get to that in a second when you look at some of our case studies. We've brought home thousands of missing children from family domestic violence where you may have a husband or wife going through a hard time. And one of the parties decides to take the child and they drive three states over and Our technology has been used to identify that vehicle and walk off and conduct the traffic stop and return that child to their family. I'm talking about driver of the vehicle.

Mr. Bill, that's up to us to do our job to investigate that?

Yeah, I understand all that. But I bet those two attorneys out there got a different opinion. How are you going to charge somebody? You can't see them. You can't prove who's driving that vehicle. And the stuff's worthless then.

So yes, sir, I appreciate your question. I'll let them get into more of the prosecutorial aspect of it. I can only speak to the objective nature that our technology has been very successful all across the country, again, at reuniting missing children and at solving and helping law enforcement solve some of the most heinous crimes that we've seen across our country. There's been a lot of shootings, a lot of high-profile crimes that happen all across the country, and our technology has been instrumental in helping law enforcement solve some of those major cases that we're all aware of.

Who owns this?

Is this a corporation? We're a private technology company, yes, sir. Is it a corporation? Yes, we're a private technology company. who owns this corporation. We have a founder and a CEO. He's the founder and owner of the company.

His name is Gary. And I'm really referring to the land location in Florida. That started out as something like this. And the man that started that had a good friend in Florida legislature. And they convinced the state of Florida to purchase this information. Has this ever been up for sale? I'm sorry, can you ask your question again?

Has it ever been up for sale? Has our company ever been up for sale? Not to my knowledge, no, sir. I don't think so.

But, you know, I don't believe in it.

I'll tell you that right now. But there's a chance, good chance, they're going to put this up to the state to sell it. And then we're going to make millionaires out of a handful of people, whoever they are that own this place.

It's a great question, but I can tell you from my knowledge that that's not a part of our business model and who we are as a company. And again, we're, we're trusted by over 20,000 different customers in 49 out of 50 states. We are just an assistive technology, like another tool for law enforcement agencies to keep communities safe. And I understand your concerns and the points that you've brought up. And when we've had some of these concerns from other communities, they quickly realized that the technology was much needed. And they quickly brought us back in and turned the technology back on because it is a game changer, the way that we can use technology to help law enforcement do their job just a little bit better. We're not replacing them.

I can see some of this in these big cities that you've got listed in you, but I sure can't see one in Perry, Florida, or Madison, Florida.

That's a great point you brought up, but the thing is, Crime doesn't know any borders. It doesn't know Tallahassee compared to Florida. And we've seen that all across the country. In fact, criminals are more likely to go to places where there's blackout spots. And we've noticed some of that. And so that's a great point that you bring up. But I think that it actually makes it a little bit more vulnerable when agencies around you are using all of the tools at their disposal and criminals start those things out and they quickly exploit it. We are a very honest company and we adapt. to the needs of any community. We give you the tools and we give you the resources to craft our product the way that it works for your community. Again, your community values matter. And the two things can exist at the same time.

I have a few questions. But are you done with the presentation? No, ma'am, I'm not.

Thank you. This right here is what we call a transparency portal. Again, we'll have What mature companies do is they want to be upfront and honest about what we are doing. So your agency has the ability to have a transparency portal that you can put on your city's website or the law enforcement agency can have their own website where it shows what agencies you share with. It shows the retention policy. It shows who has access. It shows all types of information about your system that the public can go on and they can read for themselves. It's just another way that we want to be upfront, open, and honest about how our technology works, what your agency is doing, and how we keep a permanent audit trail. And I think that's a really important point as well. Whenever any agencies are using our tool, every law enforcement officer has a permanent audit trail. So anytime they log into the system and they search a plate for any reason, it is immutable. It cannot be edited, cannot be deleted, cannot be modified. It is a permanent audit log of whatever your agency is doing for you all to review and have oversight into that process. Again, I've been discussing this all day, but I think it's really important to hone in on the fact that we work in 40 out of 50 states. Denver is different than Perry. Tallahassee is different than Perry. Atlanta, Georgia is different than Perry. But community safety does not have to come at the expense of community values. Those things can and should exist at the same time. With our permanent audit logs, we also have search filters to where you can't just go into the system and search things for no reason, or you will be caught. That's the way the system is designed. We have federal limitations. We don't have willy-nilly access for the federal government to come in and access your data. Only you decide who you share your data with.

So if you don't want to share with the federal government whatsoever, that's your prerogative. That may be so today.

But you may trust the federal government more than me.

We'll go next.

OK. We'll go quick myths versus facts. A common myth is that license plate readers can track people and show the police everywhere they go. The fact of the matter is license plate readers are taking a point-in-time image of the rear vehicle on public roadways. They do not continuously track vehicles. Any images not used for an investigation are deleted. The courts have consistently found that taking images of public documents, aka license plates, on public roadways is not a violation of prophecy. The second myth is that license plate readers violate the Fourth Amendment. Well, opinion and federal district courts in at least 14 states, including the 9th and 11th circuits, have upheld that using license plate readers as objective evidence does not require a warrant. Because again, it's something that any of us can go out and stand in the middle of the road and do with our iPhone. The courts have been uniformed that we aren't violating any civil rights, any Fourth Amendment, and taking those point of time. I'm kind of already talking about that. We'll go to the next one. I already talked about that. Well, what's the next one?

What's the next one?

Next. Next. Next. These are just a few recent court challenges. I know we got some attorneys in the room. So for the people who enjoy reading legal language, again, this is just reiterating that courts all across the country have been uniformed that license plate readers don't require a warrant. Next, please. This is one of my favorite slides because this is our first missing child that we returned home. This was a case study out of Chamblee, Georgia. There was an Amber Alert that was issued at 12.30. A search was conducted between all of our suite of flock products throughout the Chamblee, Georgia area. The vehicle was located about an hour and a half later at 2.30. The police field did their job. They did the work that they love and do every day, and they made a felony stop at 5 p.m., and that baby was returned home to her mother at 6 p.m. Again, this is when every second matters, and our platform is crucial at being an objective tool that law enforcement, who are some responsible, hardworking people, I'm a former cop myself, and I can attest that this technology is a game changer in helping reunite missing children to their families. We have thousands of these same stories that I can talk about at a later date. We'll go over some specific Florida examples real quick. So we work with over 160 different law enforcement agencies here in Florida. I'm sure y'all are very familiar with Coral Springs, Sarasota, Clay County, Indian River County, and many, many more. This is a suspect in an attempted abduction was identified with our license plate readers. This was a 13 year old victim. Next. This was a homicide suspect arrested in Palm Bay, Florida. As you can see, our flock cameras were able to track that person down and law enforcement did their job and took him into custody. This was an attempted child abduction. We were able to use our license plate reader technology to get that child back home. This is a double homicide in St. Petersburg. Two murder suspects were out. Our license plate reader technology did what it does best, assisted law enforcement, and they were able to make an arrest with the double homicide suspects without incident. And that is my presentation. I'm sorry that your questions.

Do you have a contract? Yes.

Yeah, we have the trial contract. Yes. No, you haven't. Why not? It was the trial. We provide it to the newspaper as well, but I haven't been asked by the council to provide it to Seawolver.

But you always provide us information, but not with this.

We do provide you with information, yes.

Not with what? Are you on the operation?

We have nine operational right now.

see this i'm getting complete then um i'm gonna call it the newspaper says they're not an operation not all not all are operational and you told me that this is how you found mine yes yes Those are operational?

Yes.

Whenever you get that from me.

Yes, ma'am.

So at what point are you coming to council?

Whenever a finalized contract is in place for funding. That's when we would bring it to the council.

But you don't know that these cameras are, that you shouldn't come before us before this happened?

And you know, hindsight, yes, we probably should have done that. But at the time, it was told to me it was okay to run the trial. City Manager.

Did you all see on any here?

Well, yeah, I will. You know, part of this is everybody, if you walk, talk to the company. What we're talking about is ALPR programs, automated license plate, or whatever this is. There's 20 to 25 companies out there that do this already. You know, some of them that you may know, Axon is the maker of tasers. We know we use tasers in our job. Motorola has these and many more. This has been in existence for years. This is nothing new. This has been used by many agencies throughout the United States for years. This is not new technology. It's just new to us. We have used these successfully, and we've talked about this. We solved hit and run crashes. We solved the burglary for a person. And within an hour, we recovered all the stolen property, and we had the person arrested that had stolen all this property from the apartment. We used it to locate a person that went missing from a jurisdiction near us before they entered the silver alert. They sent a message to our dispatch center that this is the tag we're looking for. This elderly guy's missing. He has dementia. Within 45 minutes of us having that tag, we were able to find him and return him to his family. That's a success story. We're not talking about technology to do bad. We're talking about technology that has to be used properly and make sure we have the right policies in place to do it. We still have to do the law enforcement function. We still have to investigate everything that's going on. We don't just go and stop the car because we think who the driver is. We have to have another reason. We get alerts for expired tags, expired driver's license, suspended license, sexual predators. There's a list of them. But we still have to do the law enforcement function to find out who the person is. It does not give us any information about who the registered owner is. FLOC does not do that. ALPR systems don't provide that to the officers. To run it into a separate database that we already have access to, that we audit regularly as well. There's checks and ballots to build on this thing. I ran an audit today on the use of what we had in FLOC. It takes just a few minutes, and it tells me, well, if a tag's been run multiple times, and I can go pull the case number, and So they just can't run it because they want to. They have to have a legitimate reason and enter the case number and the reason behind it. And we can compare it to our CAD system. Now, that's the big issue about the protection of this data. It's very limited on what they have access to. We have access to more sensitive information to our regular databases than they have access to. They're barely running hot lists. And what a hot list is, is when someone has has silver or some other reason to have that tag flag is what we get. That's what's provided by this system. To find out anything about the person that owns the vehicle, we have to run it in a separate database. There's always talk about, you know, hackers. Well, if we're going to worry about hackers, and this is just blended information with no personal identifying information, why not worry about the credit card companies that are hacked? 170 million people in one incident with all their personal identifying information is compromised. Provided them with the name of their next of kin, their mother's maiden name, so the security numbers. Everything that someone needs to do to get into your personal life are in these databases. If we're going to do away with LPR systems, let's do away with the online banking system. There's been more compromise there that has hurt more people than somebody seeing your tag, a picture of your tag on your paper. These are tools. For us to use. It doesn't provide us anything more than what he's explained and what I've explained. It's a tool for us to use. It's a tool just like body cameras we wear. You know, transparency with that. We provide requests. We provide people with information on that every day. We get many requests for that. There's a way for people to request their information if it's been flagged in the system. And we can provide that. The transparency portal has not been turned on because we've paused everything we've lost. Any expansion or any other programs that we can do with it, we've held what we have. We haven't gone any further. That's the reason there's only nine until we can find out what direction we're going to go.

My problem probably is that with the school cameras you came to us before we did anything. Yes, ma'am. And I feel that you should have come before us, before it started, these cameras as well. Everyone would have been in all of the schools.

Yes, ma'am, and that's my mistake, and I will own that. The reason we brought the school camera to you is by law we required it in the beginning before it was ordered.

That's the reason.

There's Florida statutes in place now that govern the use of LBR in Florida. And we're following those guidelines. We have a policy in place internally on how we handle the LPR information. And it defines that we can discipline officers from issues, including arrest.

Okay. But if it were to cost the taxpayers $6,000 or $1,000 a year, wouldn't that make them comfortable?

Yes, ma'am, but we have not approved the budget for this. So there's nothing saying we're keeping these cameras unless we get an approved budget. And that's for the number of cameras we have anticipated for this trial of 61,000. We can reduce that number and make the cost less. That's totally up to what we think, and that's part of the trial, is what cameras work best for us in locations or place be most effective so we're not spending money we don't need.

Anybody have any questions? We couldn't use the number because I think The 61 is a little high.

Yes, ma'am. We can reduce it to whatever number we think is appropriate. It's not $61,000 for the program completely. It's the cost per camera. And don't forget, in that, we've got five cameras for parks that do not have LDR technology built in. They don't have facial recognition built in. It's just surveillance in the park. And we know we've had problems in parks for how long with damaged stuff.

How and how is that going to help if you don't have a facial record?

If it's not in, it's not in.

What is it going to capture?

Actually, we will be able to review that video for 30 more days. That's the clock system? Yes, the clock surveillance camera. It's just, it doesn't do any LPR. So it can do live media? Yeah, it can do live story. Yeah.

Now, if...

It's your typical video surveillance cameras. Like if you go to a bank or if you go to a school, it's a typical video camera that's been around for decades.

If we wanted facial recognition or AI to help us identify clothing or whatever, there's another camera system out there that we've looked at in the past that would do that for us. That's something that we wanted to do, but I didn't think we needed to do that in the beginning. Let's use surveillance cameras. They're looking at issues and problems we're having, and we can go back and review it in time frame and we know the issue occurred.

How are they protected from damage?

We have a warranty with those cameras. Somebody's going to tear them up. That's going to happen. That's part of the expense is working with them as they warranty this stuff.

We have one in the church.

Yeah, that's right. I think that should be removed.

That was, that church would not authorize that place.

Well, I'm sure they wouldn't take it, no.

I didn't talk to them. I did not speak to them. I would ask you to find another place. And that's something we can talk with our representatives about, to find a different location. Who's saying we're going to keep that camera here?

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

That's a different perspective.

Wow. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Thank you. And I will ask everybody to hold down now.

Hold on, please. I'm just going to ask everybody that we're trying to take minutes before the meeting, so if you would just Please not be up when you say yes. I mean, we'll say let everybody speak. Try to keep it a very cool manager as possible. And I was just trying to keep it over. Thank you. He said, look, we can. Thank you. I should provide my name.

Yvette Bessel.

Yvette Y-V-E-T-T. Was it Mr. Johnston? Yes, ma'am. You said that it's safe in the cloud?

Are we good?

You said it was saved in the cloud.

Can you address the council first so I can answer your questions afterwards?

I have questions for him about how the storage is in the Davids. Oh, I've got 1545 Old Road. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. No, I said it, but I spelled it. You bet that's all.

Okay, your question is about how it's stored?

Yes, about the database.

Okay.

And the storage.

If you can ask the question of the council, the council can ask him the question. The ace runner, that's the way this works. I understand. Okay.

Is it stored in the cloud?

You said earlier it is stored in the cloud. Yes.

So let's say the city administrator forgets their password because he says they have no access to it. How do we get back in if there's, do you not have a person that can access us to help the city if there's a problem or if somebody is involved in, how do they get back in?

I can answer that. We have two administrators in the system and anyone that is an authorized member of the agency can contact our flock vendor and ask them to help us get back in.

So they set it up?

Yes.

All right. So then that's my question. So you're telling me you have no access and no backdoor access into a system, but I've never set up a database, installed a database, a database that I can set up a password for and not have access to. So you can set up passwords for people, install new people into it, but you're telling me you have absolutely no access to the database. They're telling me they have no access to the database, even though they set up the passwords instead of people who have access. Because that's what he said. He said, we have no access to your data, but he sets up the people that do have access.

I'll let her finish her line of questions first, then I can come back. That's my question.

So you're telling me you really have no access to the data?

So Mary, you can finish your line of questions, and then once you're finished, I'll come back.

That's my whole question about the access to the data.

You're done now. So I'll come back up, and I'll address the council. Thank you. Yes, so. I appreciate those questions. And I think the line of questioning that she's going down is trying to go down the rabbit hole of a lot of technical cybersecurity questions. And as I already stated earlier, I am not a cybersecurity expert. However, I can get very detailed answers to any of those questions in writing today. But to just address her concerns that she was asking, I really like what the chief said earlier, right? Like this is not new technology. This is not a new phenomenon. This is, this is stuff that's been around for decades. Asking that same question, you can ask that about any system you have in place. You can ask that about the existing systems they already use right now as law enforcement officers. I think it's a little disingenuous to try to connect those pieces and say, you know, we have some type of backdoor access when I've already addressed the counselor and stated that we do not have any backdoor access. Of course, we are a vendor. We're a company that's going to help them set up their accounts and help them get everything going. but the administrator essentially is the one who has control over that process.

Okay, I think the question is, there's something, let's say two administrators walk out, they walk away, something happens to them, all right, anything, and there's no administrator left to get into the system, then how does anybody get into the system, I think is what the question is, if I'm not mistaken. If there is none of that, correct.

So, um, The only option we would have is to contact the account administrator for Flock and tell them we need access, and they would create a new user.

So you wouldn't actually have... So our customer number... So there's one person that works here.

Does that one... Basically, yes. Okay. Yeah. But that's one person that they work with. So this person, you would still be able to get in contact with them. It's all documented. We have a Salesforce database where if the event were to happen, you can then contact that account holder who has been working with him, and you won't get access to his existing stuff. There's a way to create a new account and to reset the system. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, members of the Council. My name is Tina Deming. I live at 615 North Jefferson Street here in Perry. First, I would like to thank you for placing this issue on tonight's agenda. And I'd like to thank the representative from Flock for being here to answer questions as well. Since I last spoke to you the previous two meetings, the concerns that I've raised have only become more relevant and urgent, in my opinion. This conversation has never been about whether law enforcement should have the tools they need to investigate crime. It has always been about ensuring that those tools do not come at the expense of the constitutional rights and privacy of the people they are intended to protect. Our constitutional rights are most vulnerable when we accept small intrusions because they appear convenient or well-intentioned. History has shown that the erosion of liberty rarely happens all at once. It happens one decision at a time. The ability to continuously record and catalog movements of law abiding citizens is a direct violation of those rights, in my opinion, and it should concern all of us. These concerns are not hypothetical and they are not mine alone. Just within the last few weeks, multiple law enforcement officers in Georgia were fired and are facing consequences. and charges after allegedly misusing flock's database to conduct unauthorized searches. That case and cases like it raise an important question. If misuse occurred there, how can we be sure as residents that it will not happen here as well? The risks also extend beyond intentional misuse. Across the country, there have been documented cases in which innocent people are stopped, detained, or treated as criminal suspects after automated license plate reader systems, generate false alerts or incorrectly identify their vehicles. Technology can be a valuable investigative tool. I think we should use it to some extent, but it is not error-free. When it fails or when it is misused, like we are seeing, the consequences are felt by innocent people. At the same time, we are seeing a national movement away from these cameras. Across the country, many more cities and counties have canceled or rejected their contracts with Block over these same concerns. This is no longer an isolated debate and communities all across America are reaching the same conclusion that surveillance technologies like these require far greater scrutiny than they were originally given. I would also ask the council to consider how this program came to Perry in the first place. By all appearances, this agreement was entered into and the cameras were installed without the knowledge, discussion, and approval of this governing body. Regardless of anyone's opinion on the license plate readers or flock, This should concern every member of this council. You were elected to provide oversight on behalf of the people of Perry. Decisions involving citywide surveillance should not bypass elected representatives of this community, nor should they occur without meaningful public awareness and input. If that process was circumvented, correcting it is reason enough to reconsider this agreement. I respectfully ask each of you to weigh these things that I've said very heavily. That's the end of my planned comments, but I do just want to say that this is in no way a critique on my part of the police department. I have a great respect for law enforcement. I did work at FDLE for nearly a decade. When I left that agency, I was the lead editor of the curriculum development section in the Bureau of Training. I know that these officers have the training that they need to do their job. I would rather see the $60,000 go into their paychecks rather than on a technology such as this. That's all I ask. I can note one concern I had. I was discouraged to hear that this data, I did not hear the word encrypted mentioned. I heard that it was stored in the cloud. Usually technology companies like this have their own servers that they can keep tabs on. That was very discouraging of me to hear. I did also hear that it's just taking one photo and it's not a violation of constitutional rights. Respectfully, I disagree because when you create a web of these cameras, one camera is taking one picture, but the camera down the road is taking another picture and that can be pieced together to track where a person goes, whether they are substance So that's my only concern, that they may be misused. The data, from what I've heard, is not terribly secure. As the chief mentioned, cloud systems are hacked very often, and they are compromised very often. And I would have rather heard him say that they have their own servers and their own offices. Did you have a question there?

No, that was all.

Thank you.

So it was a lot of False claims in that statement. So I did mention the Indian encryption several times. The data is encrypted in a government cloud that is FBI seizure certified. You can't, I mean, she speaks to that as well. I mean, these are some of the highest standards for the federal government. This stuff is not just living out there willy-nilly. Again, and I love the point she brought up about vulnerabilities, right? Like, If I were to get up here and tell you that we are immune to any missteps or immune to any type of vulnerability, I would want y'all to run as far away as possible. Like, why would I get up here and even make a statement close to that to say that we're perfect and no missteps will ever happen? I hope no missteps. But what responsible technology companies do is they adapt to those circumstances. So to Chief's point earlier, banks, I mean, you name it, all the time vulnerabilities are happening. But what responsible companies do We've hired a world-class chief information systems officer. He's nearly doubled his team. We take privacy and cybersecurity at the utmost respect each and every day. We're constantly funding that team and helping him make sure he has the resources and tools that he needs to make sure that we're monitoring our progress and monitoring any bad actors that could occur. And to the point about the misuse cases. Let's be very clear. I mean, there are thousands, hundreds of thousands of active users on flock systems across 49 states each and every day. But you hear about three or four or even five police officers who were caught misusing the system. In fact, a place that I'm very familiar with is Georgia. But that goes to show you that the system worked as designed. They were caught because we have proactive auditing. So when you have an officer who wants to be a bad actor, again, nobody's perfect. No system's perfect. No human being's perfect. But But it's supposed to be all of these things. But we put things in place to where when nefarious behavior happens, you're caught. So those examples are how our system is working as designed. Period. The officers misused the database. They were caught, fired, and arrested. We can't promise anybody that there's going to be a perfect everything. It's going to be a perfect private company is going to be perfect. We're going to work with our community to make sure that you own your data. We're going to work with your community to make sure that your filters are the way you want it to be designed. We're going to work with your community to make sure cameras are in place to where you want them to be in place. I want you all to understand that this is not some type of separate conversation. We want to be involved and engaged with you on picking up where we've kind of made some missteps and figuring out what's the best placement of these cameras. What's the cybersecurity protocols in place? Can we see those audit trails? Can we have a transparency portal? This is a group effort. This is not a one-off selling you something and we're gone. No. The whole statement about other municipalities and counties churning our contracts, I can tell you we've had three-fold the amount of contracts that we've adopted since we've had some municipalities say, look, we don't want to use Flockley anymore. Well, that's their prerogative. There's other companies that do license plate readers. If they decide not to use us, that's their prerogative. But we have thousands of customers who go online with Flock every month. So that's very minute in comparison to the people that we are working with.

What are some of the issues that you all have had to overcome? Things that are not wrong, so to speak, which you had to deal with.

Yeah. So again, just like any company, let's think about our Ubers, our Lyfts, our DoorDash.

You can think of almost any private major company in this country

have had some type of mishap in the media or in the New York Times, right? So for example, for us, it was the current political movements with immigration. We had a pilot program with ICE and the Department of Homeland Security, and we no longer have that contract with them, but we realized that the political winds, we were kind of caught in that stream with the political winds, and there was a lot of communities, major cities to say, look, our values are that we don't wanna work with ICE. We have a lot of immigrants in our community. And so as a responsible company, you know what we did? We adapted to the moment. We then said that we're not just going to share with federal agencies willy-nilly. We're going to now bring in search filters. We're going to now have it in place to where if you don't want to work with the federal government, you don't have to. That's what a responsible company does. They adapt to the moment. They don't just, you know, fall and lay down and just let the storm take them with them. You have to adapt and be proactive. And I can say working for It was alleged that an officer used our technology to track a woman who wanted to get a divorce. Well, that wasn't the full story. There was no prosecution that came out of that situation. However, after that incident occurred, you know what we did? We put in reproductive search filters in place. So we're now, you can't search any type of thing related to healthcare, women, a certain keyword for the system that will be flagged for the administrators to review. And so that's what a responsible company does. You adapt to the moment. Okay, nobody's perfect.

Why would all that be put in there anyway, if you're supposed to be philosophy?

Well, we have, so your city only uses license plate breeders. We have a suite of other products.

Okay.

Yeah. So I can tell you about the video cameras, we call those Pantel Zooms. And there's also a component of that camera to where it can detect, identify a feature like, blue shirts or cowboy hats. Now, again, other cities use that technology. We're not discussing that for you, but that's an example of what other cities are able to use. But when you're talking about license plate readers, that's a completely separate system than a video camera.

Thank you.

Can I say something that John told me?

Sure. He said, given the higher than expected cost and growing privacy and data sharing concerns that are leading many cities to shut off or cancel their block camera contracts, he believes it is in Terry's best interest to end our trial now and watch how this technology plays out elsewhere before considering any future use. This is the manager. He's watching the meeting from his office. That's his recommendation.

That's what we got.

We've got several people that's about to speak. We'll share back here in the back. Good evening, Council.

How are you doing? My name is Brandi Turner, 1070 Azalea Road, Perry, Florida. Just one clarifying question, and we have nine operating plot cameras in town right now. And I would like to know what policies are in place at this very moment that protects the citizens of the community against potential law enforcement officers that may have malicious intent. And who in the police department at this point has access to the data?

We have 13 people inside the police department have access. And I'm the one that gives them access. Okay. We have two administrators. I'm one and Captain Gray is one. We do audits on the information that is entered. We verify that there's not multiple runs on it. There's not anything that's inappropriate there. We also have a policy document that I provide that outlines proper use and discipline of someone that is found to be a noncompliant.

And how often are you doing that monitoring process? Once a month. Once a month. Okay.

Thank you. Thank you. Russ.

Thank you for speaking tonight. I'm Russ Stein, born and raised here in Ferryport, Fairfax, Manhattan. Just a few questions. 3865 U.S. 97. You, sir, you mentioned earlier that, uh, The gentleman representative mentioned earlier that the walk cameras have additional capabilities, but are not currently employed here in Perry. He specifically mentioned they have the ability to recognize hats, colors of shirts. My question is, if it has that capability, what prevents it from recognizing faces?

Great question. I can answer that. You cannot see in a vehicle from these cameras. You cannot. He was talking about the live video cameras for monitoring, that you can have that technology in them, but you cannot see a person inside these cars. Okay. You cannot. Right.

You're doing it from the rear, the cameras. Okay. Okay.

That's fair enough. Another question is a privacy concern, or I guess it's more of a safe question. I don't really see the difference between mass surveillance of innocent law-abiding citizens. I mean, then what's the difference between doing this, which is surveillance? You know, it brings back, I don't know if any of you ever read, or what, maybe 1984, but it's some scary parallels. But why not make everybody wear ankle monitors? I mean, we kind of know where. Well, but we're not. They don't have access to that. They don't have it. The law enforcement doesn't have access to that data without a warrant. If we're concerned about potential crimes, similar activities, we'll do this. Let's just all be assigned an ankle line.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yes. Go on, other base.

I wanted to point out a couple of things that I noticed in his presentation because he contradicted himself. One of the major contradictions was he said, well, it reads license plates. But then he also said it was known as a roofer. Okay, it's known as some license plates, but it's known as a roofer. any other color variations on your car, anything. And that's a problem because it's not just looking at license plate. We've had license plate readers for 30 years out on the interstates here in Florida because I was out there. We had license plate readers for 30 years out on the interstates and it wasn't through flaw. There was a case recently where a woman was arrested for a robbery that she didn't commit. She was taken 1,000 miles away because facial recognition from Flock said that it was her. And she sat for three weeks in a jail 1,000 miles from her home before being released after they discovered it wasn't her and just put out on the street to get out. Okay, that's Flock. That's not acceptable in any way, shape, or form. That's my thoughts. But like I said, you know, I've got nothing against the police. But, you know, he mentions, well, a few officers. One officer put stuff in his flock system to traffic early, met at a concert, and stopped her on the street. Did a traffic stop on her on the street. And she complained to the police department. That's why he got caught. She filed a complaint because he stopped her. It wasn't that his superiors brought him a sock and said, hey, you're not supposed to be doing this. She filed a complaint that he did that because she was freaked out, as she should be. Somebody ran into her at a random show and then tracks her down by her plate number using multiple clock cameras to track her positions so that he could come up to her and stop her. Not once. So there's a lot of contradictions and things that don't make sense. I'm just pointing that out. And, you know, we've got one down by us. I drove by it on my way up here. You know what I noticed when I was driving by it on the way up here? But I haven't noticed in the past hundred times I drove by it, the wires are cut. From the solar panel to the camera. They're just dangling there. But people are cutting them down all over the world, not just here, all over the world, because they don't want to be tracked. They don't want the unwarranted surveillance. I mean, it's up to you guys, but you're paying that much to have people spying on your people, innocent people, in hopes you would catch something else. And I can understand them saying, yeah, it helps us track I've tagged, well, there are different tag readers, like I said, regular tag readers, not ones that are this sophisticated and catch this much information. They do do facial recognition. They take pictures of everything on your vehicle, from your tag frames, to your dents, to scrapes, to hang markings, a crack in your windshield, everything. It's not just a tag that they're reporting when you drive by them. And you said, They record the back. OK. One, when you're going that way, records the back. The one that's facing this way down the road is recording the front as you're coming up to it. They're not only recording the vehicles in the traffic lane that they're on. They report across the road, too. There's a lot of things that come to mind. I just wanted to point out those few.

Thank you.

I'm Sony Anderson, 3730 Cloudwoods Road. I'm a computer engineer, so I'm the guy that sets up the database and the server they're talking about. I've heard some things that I don't agree with, I don't think it's right, but I'm not going to be confrontational and get into all that. What I would like to do I'd like for everyone to have the same information I have, but we don't have 40 hours to go over stuff. So if I could get email addresses, I'll create a document with a bunch of links. You can just click on the link and watch a video. Some of these videos are federal attorneys talking about the Supreme Court, what they've said about clocks. There's a lot of lawsuits going on. Some of them are engineers on how they're easy to hack, all kinds of things. You can watch them at your leisure. You can learn, you can have the information, then you can make your own decisions. The only real thing I want to address is this. Okay, a real easy way to do it. Can you see that? There's like seven dots. I don't know if you can see it, there's seven dots. But if you flip it around, that's 34 dots. So you see how the more dots you have, the better your picture? If you'd have enough of these cameras then you get an image of somebody's life. You know, when they leave for work, you know, when they get home, you know, when they went to their kidney dialysis, you know, when they went to their AA meeting, everything. And the Supreme Court of 2018, Carpenter versus United States, said that that much information should require court order. And they just, the Supreme Court just had another ruling about five days ago. They're leaning that same way. So they haven't ruled on this yet, But the way they're leaning, they're going to require a court order in the near future, I would think. There's a lot of lawsuits going on. And in Texas, where they have something for the girl for the abortion, the way I understand it, the guy entered in and she was a missing person. He didn't enter in any kind of medical reason that I know of. But I would like for everyone to just take a look at those videos, and you can make up your own money. Thank you. If I can get the email address.

You can get that off the website. The website, the city website. How do you need to make that available to the public if they're interested in how you make a decision?

Sorry? We also would need to make whatever that presentation is, the link available to the public for Sunshine Law purposes. If it's taken into consideration and how you make a decision.

So on the city website, of course you can say, and that our emails are all public records.

Not your emails, what do you mean?

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, oh, every email we send or receive through the city website is public records. So they can be on Apple, and I can take them out again.

What I was suggesting is that whatever the links are, be placed on the website, not that people have to individually file a public record request if it's being considered. in your deliberations about whether or not you'll accept or not accept it. That's what I'm saying. Not unless it is available that it should be made part of it.

Can I just send it as a PDF and you just post it? Yes, sir. John. John Quinn.

I lived in Perry in 2015 to 2022. I live in Greenville, Florida now. You know, like with these cameras, and I know the local law enforcement, I believe that they want to do good with it. But I also believe that that's power the government should not have. Okay, we stand up and say the pledge of allegiance. We say liberty and justice for all. Well, your liberty comes from, you know, our Bill of Rights, our Constitution, okay? Anything that's not covered by the Constitution for the 10th Amendment goes to the states. Well, I feel like, you know, the illegal search for seizures is covered by the Constitution. That's our Fourth Amendment rights, okay? I don't know if y'all, well, I did a little research and I looked up some polls of how many people or what percentage trust the government.

Okay.

There was a few polls. It was from 17 to 25% of people trust the government to do what's right most of the time or all the time. Okay. Law enforcement is about 50%. Local law enforcement is a little higher. So if the country has that low of faith in the government, why would its citizens give it even more power over them. Okay. My example is, y'all remember COVID? Okay. The government said, you cannot go to a restaurant. You cannot go to church. People were arrested for church. Okay. And I'm not going to say flock, but automatic license plate readers were used for travel bans. they were used to arrest people, to cite people during that time, okay? It's proven fact. I remember having to have a paper. I was a essential worker, okay, because of my job. So that allowed me to move back and forth. I also know a hairdresser, her job, it was not considered essential, okay? So she couldn't run her business and she almost lost her house, okay? That's power the government should not have. It just shouldn't have. There have been abuses of flock style. I'm not going to say flock because it's just, that's a brand, okay? But, you know, and then they say, well, well, if you don't have anything to hide, why do you care? I close my blinds on my house. I got a code on my phone, right? I expect a certain amount of privacy. Okay? So I have three kids, okay? If any one of them were kidnapped, you know, I won't use any tool at my disposal to find my children. But it's also my responsibility to watch my children, not the government's. And if my child were kidnapped and they were not found or they were not discovered, what would we do then? We'd need more cameras. More and more and more, more and more. That's what it'll be. I've heard that if you want to, the closest thing to immortality is a government program, okay? There was an economist, he said, if you put the government in charge of the Sahara Desert, there'll be a sand shore to survive. Okay? So this isn't, you know, this is government power. Okay, it's like, we have the First Amendment, we have the Second Amendment, They're defending them, okay? So I would say for me not to hurt someone's feelings or to whatever, we'll do away with the First Amendment, okay? We'll do away with that. COVID violated your First Amendment. You couldn't gather. You couldn't do these things. Oh, it's an emergency. It's for your safety. It's always for your safety, okay? So, okay, we won't stop doing this. Second Amendment, let's do away with that, too, okay? It's always for your safety. So, and like I said, I can believe there are good intentions. There are good intentions. But I really believe that, you know, this is just all the government should not have. COVID showed me the most about that, how fast something escalates because of your safety. Okay? Right. That's what the government will tell you. Okay? You know, if you study history, That's what the Nazis told the Jews. Give us your goods.

We'll take care of you. We know how that turned out.

I didn't hear what you said.

We're on flat cameras. I mean, the agenda item is about flat cameras.

I understand that. That's what I'm saying. Flat cameras violate your Fourth Amendment rights. That's my stand. It's part of the government. It shouldn't happen. Okay. And also, too, just to be clear, the 30 days is a rolling 30 days, okay? July 1st is deleted on July 31st. They have enough days. They can see where you go, what you do, and that is the problem. It's not like an officer sitting on the side of the road reading your license plate or whatever. you're getting a picture of what somebody does, where they go, where they worship, the government's used it in the past. You're saying you get a data profile. Right. It's the data that it collects, and it's your private information. It's what it is. Okay, so. But that's why it's pretty much correct.

Thank you.

Anyone else want to speak?

Mr. Mayor, one last thing I'd like to say. Technology should not be judged solely by what it could do if abused. It should be judged by what it's authorized to do the safeguards that governs its use and the oversight that it ensures. Public safety benefits, it provides. Banning a properly governed tool because it could be misused is not the same as addressing the misuse and oversight. And we have policy in place to prevent it. So you don't have to make misuse.

Anybody can misuse anything. Yes. It's more of a good idea. That's the human factor and the mechanical factor. There really are no functions. whether intentional or not intentional. I realize that today. Yes, sir.

Come up here, please. I had a question about the placements of them. Because technically I'm in Perry. But I'm in Key. And they're down there. Is that Perry City? And are only 13 people having access to those? Or are all the sheriffs? everybody having access to those because being out in Keaton, that's county, but it's Perry. Does that mean that only the city police have access to the Perry cameras that are out here or do the sheriffs have access for the ones talking and the city does?

I'm in Perry. Not every camera that you see belongs in this trial. There's other agencies outside of the sheriff's office as well that have cameras in this county.

Outside of the sheriff's office?

Yes. I don't know what state agency, but I don't know what state.

I don't know all the agencies.

I do know that the Department of Corrections have them near their prisons.

But I do know that. The only reason I ask that is because I'm in Paris.

My address is Perry. But I'm sure Keaton, which is my town. Once you cross the city, you can see.

If you're outside the city limits of the city, that's where your line are.

They're in or at the border of the city. Of the city. Yes.

I don't think every single one inside the city area matters.

I don't think so. I can only tell you what we have. I can't speak about everybody else. I'm just saying, if you go on the federal highway, I was just curious, but I mean, Perry, and that's there. I don't know whose that is.

I had no idea. That's the one with the cables cut. I don't know whose it is. I don't need to say outside the city of Perry. It wouldn't mean anything to us. That's why I didn't talk about it. And I was like, what I'm saying, too, is inside the city of Perry, there could be something that we don't have anything to do with on Federal Highway. I think the beach road's a safe highway.

But the state saves, you can put them on the Canada Road as well, as long as they follow the permitting process. That's totally up to the issuer of the permit. I'm just trying to figure out.

They were saying one of these state aren't saying it varies. Yeah. Under the trials.

Yeah. That's what I was trying to get to. Yeah. I'm not worried. Yeah, I'm worried. I do remember somebody started me correct. He did speak to us about building parks.

Yes.

I do remember

I don't remember everything that was said about it, but I do remember all the damage and all the vandalism that was going on at the parks. You said there might be a solution to this, or just damage. Yes. I do remember that, and I'll...

There's tremendous news we can talk about. Yes, ma'am. But if we're going to make a decision, I would probably wait on a full house. And also sit them back to... You have to say so. Got it.

So you want to make a motion to postpone the vote until our table for the next meeting until we have a city manager or council leader. Is everybody in agreement on that? All right, so we're going to wait. We're going to take a decision until the next meeting.

How long are you going to have a trial period?

The trial, as soon as all the cameras are operational, the trial actually starts. But not all of them are operational.

Okay, so we're not really in the trial period.

Not yet. But once it starts, it's 60 days. 60 days.

You heard what Stephen Pennington says, and he's against anything. It's a trial, Stephen.

I was just going to say that you do have a quorum.

I would feel better if a decision was made tonight. I do understand and respect the need to have the council member here, but I've been to the last three meetings on this topic, so. We don't have to.

I don't see an arm in the leg in two weeks. You want to make a motion about it, Ted?

Can we tell you what the next motion is? I motion that we take this motion I'm concerned about cameras. The next councilor. Have a second. If we're making a decision.

Have a second.

Thank you.

Okay. Councilor Barnes. Yep. Councilor Hampton. Yes. Councilor Landry.

Yes.

Mayor Kilchner.

Yes. Okay. We're going to take it up. We're going to deal with it and wait for two weeks.

Can I ask a procedural question?

Absolutely.

Angela Ball, 615 North Jefferson. So everyone who has made comments tonight, will that be considered by the council at the table meeting in two weeks?

Or is it an expectation that all of these people will come again and restate their concerns?

No, we have our comments. If they've been recording, they'll be in minutes.

So Ms. Woodfolk will have that at her access so she can review it?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, thank you.

And so many things being recorded. I understood. I just wanted to make sure she was going to be able to be prepared for that without these folks having to come back.

Sure. I would think, well, I mean, I can't speak for her. I can't hate her watching, but I can't talk to her if she wants to.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.

All right. Thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate everybody's comments.

. . . . . I know you're out three minutes is. Yeah, I've got it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's actually a . Thanks. It was a . All the time. It's probably the sound of the record on the family. Sometimes Saturday or a day. Would work out pretty close here. Oh, that would be because I've heard, you know, we're in place. Oh, wow. Oh, you're going to be embarrassing.

Yes, ma'am. . . . .

Here again.

Well, I don't know if they're going to be done. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Well, as a former president, I totally understand. You take a lot of different pieces of information.

They don't even have the real data. They don't even need all this.

And they can do that. Tell you what's worse, you've probably heard about it. There's no hands. It picks up any wireless signal.

So if you have a .

Walmart has a pilot program right now. When you come in, they do facial recognition based on where you are and your income. They're going to change the price. So if you make $100,000 a year, you'll pay $5 for this. If you make $40,000 a year, you'll pay $2. See, there's all kinds of stuff going on.

If I didn't build this stuff, I wouldn't know that.

I think it's not just No.

Did that ring a bell? No. No. No. Why do you doubt people? Why do you doubt people? If you hit the brakes too hard, you can do an emergency lane change. You stay home. So you can do that. Let's say you pay this $28,000. They can sell it all together. There's an insurance company.

The insurance rate is going to be more expensive.

There's ways for you to save more silver.

Even if you want to reverse it, make it black.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm a techie guy, but there's just certain things I don't know.

That's the lack of experience.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

It's not very interesting, because the way the modern world is moving, it's going to eventually, whether it's that .

That's why, I mean, Europe is so strong. everywhere. And you can from their house, or from an airport,

So it's moving that way.

You know, that also . That's why it's not unusual.

Like, you know, you find places that go dark.

But like I said, my background is . I don't want things spinning off towers. I had a client who was like, my client was like, I have an alibi, I was out of state, and his phone was spinning right there next to the dead firetruck. It's like, oh, Lord.

We're going to call the city council meeting back to order. We're going to have an agenda item 6F.

Public hearing and final reading of Ordinance 1060 from Grove Apartments. An ordinance of the City of Perry, Florida, revealing all prior ordinances, resolutions, and actions of the City related to economic development incentives for Prospect Perry Apartments LLC, formerly known as Prospect Construction and Development Group LLC. Prospect Development Group LLC. Presenting Ordinance Number 1011, acknowledging the expiration of ordinance number 965, superseding all prior incentives of authority with June 20th, and the forum tax incentive agreement, providing for severability of conflicts and affecting the native. Motion. I have a motion. Do we have a second? Second for this discussion.

Go ahead.

Where's the rest of it?

Oh.

This says, authorize city manager, mayor to negotiate, execute, and deliver an agreement.

That agreement, you all already agreed for the city manager to sign. Remember, the agreement was already signed the written agreement, and particularly you, Councilmember Bryant, insisted, and everyone agreed to create an ordinance to formally repeal, not just do it through a written agreement, but to formally repeal all previous ordinances or resolutions.

I still think that whoever this is, Perry Department, ought to have a signature page.

On the ordinance?

They signed the written agreement as a private vendor, but there's no authority in having the developer sign the agreement.

The agreement that we've already put in place. Okay.

That has been signed.

All right, everybody for a second. Any discussion from the public on this?

I don't want to say anything about it. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm 60. So hearing a final reading or an S 10 61 surplus land in ordinance of the city council of the city of Ferry, favorite kind of Florida regarding surplus lands. Operizing conveyance of certain land to the Tabor County School Board as a gift for public educational purposes. Preserving any utility easement to the city and providing an effective date. And this is the final ordinance on, or the final, final reading on the ordinance to transfer 15 acres that are scattered amongst the school land over at Ballfields.

Yes, but, and what, um, I want to say change. What was added was that there will be an agreement to that utility easement, which was not a part of the original discussion.

This has been going on a long, long time. A lot of other stuff. Ocean, too. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes.

It looks like in the next two reforms, we're going to move with this very same item, agenda item 6H, council to discuss the approval of the utility easement for the ball field and council to take any action being necessary against the ball field properties within each. Motion to approve. Thank you. Motion to second.

Council Member Brown?

Yes.

Council Member Henson? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

You mean if an administrator? Yeah.

Are you meaning an administrator? So John and I have been just using the criteria that the council approved and we are the ones that are reviewing it. The reason that we are unsure on this and wanted to seek council direction was because they are a tax exempt property. So the CRA is specifically pulled from property taxes, and we pull that money out of property taxes and put it into a separate fund. That's why we need it, Dredge.

Was it on the board yet? Yes. I'm sorry. And the BAS we paid, and ministry. Yeah, it's still on the board. That is so sad.

I don't know about JT. Did you go and meet him?

So in the original grant thing that came before you guys, there wasn't an administrator named and said that we were going to do it unless it became too much. Like if we were getting too many applications and John and I didn't have time because we have to pay them to do it. So he was trying to reduce. Yeah, but he was still trying to just let us, we haven't had that many. Let's cross our necks.

Okay. Yeah.

What is it, 2%? It's an administrative fee. How much is that? 2% of the project. So it just depends on how much the project is.

Well, the project is $6,000. I can read my little skill, if you like.

But you guys are the CRA board, so that's why we brought it to you all.

So let me go ahead and I'll go through my skill. If you have any questions, you can do this. Start address. I'm Allison Ritter, and my address is 2436 Green Farm Road, Ferry 32347. I'm the president of the Women's Club. We are respectfully requesting the maximum dream grant award of $5,000 toward our $6,500 project. There is an invoice in there for that. And Cody Ford, Craig Ford, is wonderful, and he would be doing the work for us. We would provide the remaining $1,500 to complete the project. We're going to be painting the outside of the building, and it will take some siding, and there's a little soffit up at the top. It doesn't really affect too much with the historical side of that, from what I can tell, and what our past president has researched as well. And this will help our building, which will help to stand out more for Reynolds, because people see it from the road. They don't see that side. that's off of that, right across from Chamber as they're going out of town as well. You know, painted black to match our size. And I think a cream color or a brown color as well. But our building is available to rent for community groups, organizations, and individuals. Our rental income helps pay for the utilities, the insurance, and we're up to date on utilities, maintenance, and ongoing operation of the facility. And this helps support our mission of providing scholarships for graduating high school seniors, Easter baskets, and other various community needs to serve Perry. I know that we have, I think it's been mentioned before by Iris Parker, that we have a 99-year lease, a dollar. in which I look at the property tax records. And it is listed now in the Pair of the City of Perry. And as far as I went back to just what was on the page, and it reflected a zero tax balance, especially back in 2015. And I also saw on there that it is commercial property. I think with the taxes being exempt, I think that was because I maybe because it was the civic side of things, and we were a civic organization, to not have to pay those taxes. But we were also, a few years ago, when Nancy Henry was president, she got a sign, and we got an award for that. We did get a grant for that sign, for a reimbursement for the sign.

Any questions? And yes, and we were also .

And I know that's a concern for you as well. See, I knew. Some of us don't bring it up. You know me.

You know, it sort of goes back to Miss Mitchell. You can't get anything for the jurors, et cetera. Well, but that's the fact is, they are also, they don't, could I ask you how much rent?

It rents $400. We already have a renter in there for the next couple of days for training. And then I'm renting it on Saturday for my class reunion. That's the next 96. So, yes.

Okay. There will be local rent.

That's the city's value. I'm like, oh, yeah, we're able to rent.

No taxes.

No taxes, but we do pay utilities. We do pay. The insurance, insurance and other bills that we have that do come in. But yeah, that upkeep is all our responsibility.

I could be wrong. You need to correct me. I thought this was just for the facade.

It is for the facade. It is the painting of the front of the building. And this is for the whole building.

We only pay up to, we have a maximum amount that we'll pay. So even if they go over that amount, we don't, we won't meet it. It's only for the facade. And then we do have the micro grant that it's for signage.

And awnings. And awnings, yeah. We have an air theory on those awnings. And when we're talking about the facade, are we talking about the, whole entire building? Or are you just looking at the front side? Or I should have asked that before. Because for us, our facade is all there. Not just like looking to the fair store or you know. The entire exterior. Okay. I just wanted to get clear on that.

What you mean is it's a stand-alone building?

It is a stand-alone building.

Every single thing goes on the building front of

Everything everything's in charge for brands. I mean, it's as far as women's stuff Yes, we do get some less over 250 But I still have to use it and I still I think what you got afterwards.

I'll be going to ask all their data.

Um We're working on that chamber does use it You've heard this kind of great $100 and I'm super pumped to use it right now. James, we do use it for the dignitary reception in October. So we do provide that. We have, you know, a few people that will get food and drinks and coffee and set up for the princesses and the queens too.

What's this? This has nothing to do with the field. Okay. But when I look at this, and I think of the community building of our church. There's a crying shame, the way that building's up there. We had to use the human resource first. And then there was a superintendent who went out and cleaned the building as best they could. They even wanted two chickens to clean the specials. That is unacceptable. I don't know who's supposed to be in charge of it. Well, we must do something about it. And when it comes to us, I know what I was saying, it comes in this district, but to me it's still unfair. that we don't do something for others outside of the CRA. Well, actually, we are in the CRA. That's it. Outside. Outside of the CRA. Because they need help this morning.

They all do.

And I'm just worried about that. We do. And I have a problem with this, so I'm just going to. It was a lease.

I think the city owns it, but we leased it. I think we own the land, but I think we leased the building.

But we're still on it. He leased it from us. We can give it away. Basically. We can give it away.

We don't put it in the fund. No, not at the lease. It was just like a dog for the lease for 99 years.

In essence, we're sort of protecting our investment. Oh, yeah. We have an investment fund.

We are. You're just reversing us for the paint.

Is that included?

Yes, it's part of the invoice. It's the paint that's included. The labor to paint is included. Repairing the soffit of painting is included as well. We're not changing the arms. I'm not changing, we're not changing the arms. That's a whole different, a whole different thing than focusing on the, focusing on the side right now. Yeah, I've got to figure out the awning situation. I don't know if it's part of it or a reason to do it or not, but that's something to research later.

Do you know if the audience have anything to say on it from here or over?

I do. Do it, please.

And once again, I understand Mitchell.

Allison is my classmate, so it's not anything towards Allison or the Women's Club. I understand. Because I'm on behalf of every other nonprofit organization. You have veterans, you have boys to kings, girls to queens, you have so many nonprofit organizations that cannot come before the city because they stated or they agreed that nonprofit organizations could not receive funding from the, on behalf of the city. And our even our number one, so Ms. Landry came seeking funding for the senior citizens and that it was not approved because there was written that 501 degrees cannot receive funding. I think that at this time, the council may really want to reconsider that being that nonprofit organizations are the heart of this community. And anytime you prevent yourselves from supporting nonprofit organizations, you're preventing services from being provided to the community that the city itself possibly cannot provide. It is very hard receiving grant funding in rural areas for any nonprofit organization. And I want to say the Women's Club was built in 1921.

1914. 1914.

And so that time has expanded with regards to the $1 lease, as well as understanding that If you give this to one nonprofit, you have to consider every other nonprofit. Because if that was the case, even though they're not in the CRA district, it does say that nonprofits are not able to apply. So if that's the case, you need to open it up to every nonprofit to at least attempt to present an application and be able to be reviewed for funding. Because that, to me, will be... Equally balanced when it comes to serving your community. And so I understand that, you know, you all are in desperate need of repairs. So as the Jurgis Community Center and many other organizations, the veterans, whatever, everyone is in need of funding and assistance to try to upkeep and rebuild these buildings after many, many years of existence and many, many years we've experienced hurricanes and we've had to dig out of pockets to try to keep us afloat. So with that being said, if you're going to consider one, I really hope that you all will consider all non-profits in the future, even now that you will consider maybe revisiting that one aspect of we're not going to fund non-profit organization. That decision was made when the city is off having the money. No, actually. It wasn't, they, we came before the city. Once again, this is not to throw stones at anyone. We were given five, the Taylor County Leadership Council was given $5,000. We did the work. We were greatly appreciative of the work that the funding that was given. Immediately following after receiving that particular $5,000 grant from the city, that was when the city decided to no longer fund nonprofit organizations. It was immediately followed.

I know when I came off the council, the city did not have money.

No, but that vote was prior to you coming. The city was made earlier. Yeah, it was made prior to you becoming a council member.

But the money was just not there. But now that you have money, it's coming from outside. And I'm worried with you that if, In this case, it should be open to any nonprofit. If you're going to open it to one, it should be open to them. And if they want to fill out an application and got time to do it, that's fine.

But, you know.

Legally, for the CRA funds, they do have to be in the CRA district. We are restricted on what we can distribute the funds out for. That's the only thing. Now, I'm not sure if there could be another avenue. That would be up to you guys, I think, on... you know, we established some other sort of way for them to do it. But unfortunately, that CRA district was established back in 1993, I think, and it's only a select area. It's downtown, basically.

And much of downtown is probably owned.

Yeah, and that was kind of what, that's why we brought this one to council because Every other application has been privately owned and not a nonprofit. And so they are privately owned and they're contributing to the tax roll, which is where we're receiving those funds from is tax roll. So we're trying to essentially take some of the portion of the taxes and give it back to the community. So it's a little iffy when they're not contributing to the tax roll, but then they're getting the benefit. And that's why John wanted to bring it for you guys to make the decision versus John and I. Yeah. Deciding.

And that tax roll has been, thank you, Steve. And that was, we just recently paid a 301, 501c3 this year. So all this tax stuff has been going back prior to that. So it's not because we're not, just because we're 501c3 and we're exempt from paying taxes, that's not true because we're true. Yeah. But for previous years, we have not paid taxes, and we weren't 501c3. How did you get away with that? We were never 501c3 until this year. But you said you were not paying taxes. I don't. I guess that's what I see on payroll, and I guess it's because we're a civic organization.

The property appraiser has been listed as one.

Yes. Anyway, Ms. Nance, if you'll do me a favor, I'd like to tell you what's the next thing for a volunteer to find out. Just volunteer to find out for us, please, if the Dream Grant.

And we are in the CRM. I'm sorry, you're going to have to lift your hand.

Sorry?

I'm sorry, you said something? I was going to say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

And they find out the legality of us even granting this to a nonprofit, even if it's a drain grant, I'm not sure. I know we can't directly give money, but we can do it through the drain grant. I don't know if you can look into that and find out. I appreciate it. Yeah.

I know that three or four years ago, we were not a 501c3, and we were awarded a grant for our sign. So that is a consideration, if you will. The non-profit side is basically the nation's sake. the paint inside your building or something like that. It's not going, the donation side, the fundraising side, when we get to our homes and things like that, it's going to be a fire ability. It's not going to fire if I don't pay our bills.

That's good. That's the answer. I'm going to shake him forward and we'll take it up to the next meeting. All right. Thank you for your patience. You appreciate it.

You're welcome.

Yeah, I'm six K. Yes, this goes on the belt city bar. It's in council. Yeah, you name this theory. I mean, I would go home and it's the on three days.

So I don't think that we're going to use this. I mean, that's exactly what I said. So we do not. We do not go home policy. And she's, you know, I was.

I thought we're going to be a little from this guy. We're going to the nation is okay.

Well, well, they have to remember Hampton. Are you saying you want to think about this guy?

This is when I asked if they could come in and check the property. Thanks for the hand because of the leaves and trees and everything. On my side, I can't even get out of my trap. And she thought we had a policy. What did you say that was?

A policy about undeveloped property is what I thought it was. But I heard discussions about not doing that, so that's why we needed to research it.

Yes, but we never did. Well, we all decided that we would let their ordinance remain the same for whatever it is. So could you please have someone come out?

I'll let them know.

That's what that was about. Okay. Thank you.

And Council Member Hampton, when you say have someone come out, go to enforcement?

Yes.

Yes.

It's already been reported. I thought he was already working on that. He did come out, right?

Okay.

We'll make sure. Thank you. Council to discuss proclamation from North Central Florida Regional Planning Council. Council, take any action if necessary.

Motion to approve. Second. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

So both hearings, dates.

Yes. And I talked to the school and the board, and they have first pick for the dates. So our first meeting in September, the school board has their budget hearing. So I was requesting if we would move our first meeting in September to September 10th, which is a Thursday. Okay. if that works for everybody.

So from September 8th to September 10th?

Yes, sir.

Okay, same time?

Yes, sir.

Is everybody okay with that one?

And then our second move-in can stay the same.

And the next move will be given as the affirmation that we...

Yes, ma'am.

When is the second?

September 22nd. It'll be the normal next week. And yes, the city manager will be doing the budget at the next week.

And then that one month.

All of August and then all of September. Yeah. Everybody okay with the dates?

Yeah.

I do have to submit these dates to Trim.

So then will we not meet on the 8th? No, ma'am. Typically, we just move.

We almost always have to move because the school board and the board of county commissioners gets first pick.

All right.

All right. Item 6N, Resolution 2026-25-RIF grant application. Resolution of the City Council of the City of Perry, Florida, authorizing the submission of the Florida Rural Infrastructure Fund, RIF, project implementation grant application. Authorizing the city manager to execute all documents, providing for conflicts, and providing an effective date.

Motion.

So. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yeah, I'm 60 resolution 2026 24, but I'm in this will resolution of the city council, many budget of the city of Florida for the fiscal year of their first 2025. through September 30th, 2026.

This was already approved, but I was on maternity leave, so this is just an administrative item to do your budget amendment. But the expense was approved.

Second. Second. Second.

Congressman Brimes? Yep. Congressman Hampton? Yes. Congressman Landry? Yes. Second.

Yes. Yeah, I'm six P approval of minutes. King 23rd, 20.6. Very good session. Thank you. Correction. Well, entertainment. No, she.

I'm sorry. All right.

Yeah, that's all right. Yes, that's all right. You know, it's very pleasant.

Yes. What is going on here? Anything?

I'd be a brownie. Okay.

Oh, nice to meet you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

We're going to know when there's a degree that there is a very. You know, we're going to be going on your course.

I'm one of these people. You don't come down for a while for the rest of the time.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, the values of the only period.

So it is in the past. Well, what do you think? Have you ever gotten your other attached bags wrapped all around you?