City Council - Regular Meeting

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And the other part of that, it's very important that it is on the bottom of the list. So I'm going to stop there. It's very important that it's on the top of the list. No, it's on the bottom of the list. It's very important that it's on the top of the list. So I'm going to stop there.

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I'm both lucky and creative.

Very good, John. I'm going to call it June 23rd, 2026.

City Council needs to order. We're about everybody to silence your cell phones. Ms. Sherman's going to lead us to an open prayer. Father, Father, play the religion.

Father, please. Please. Heavenly Father, we come to you with thanks this evening. Thanking you for allowing us to be here today. By blessing that you were there in this meeting so that it's held in a safe and orderly fashion. Blessing that you would ever tell the gods. Help us with our decision making so that we can make the best decisions possible. but to Perry and the residents. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen. Amen.

Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all for being here today. Thank you. Thank you.

Councilor O'Brien.

Here.

Councilor Sampson. Here. Councilor Woodfall. Here. Councilor Landry. Here. Councilor Pitcher.

Here. Item number three, approval of items on the consent agenda. Approval to read by title only, resolution 2026-22. Resolution 2026-23, ordinance 1061 and ordinance 1060, the motion.

I'm sorry.

Second.

Councilor Grimes?

Yes.

Councilor Hanson? Yes. Councilor Bluford? Yes. Mr. Landry? Yes. Mr. Hitchin?

Yes. Item number four, receiving a request from the general public. Anyone who wants to speak? You have five minutes.

Thank you. Good afternoon members of the council. My name is Santina Deming and I live here in Perry at 615 North Jefferson Street. Two weeks ago, I stood before this council and I expressed my concerns regarding the block cameras that have been installed throughout our city. At that meeting, I asked for transparency, accountability, and public discussion regarding how these cameras were authorized and whether their continued operation is in the best interest of Perry's residents. To date, those concerns have not been addressed. Over the past two weeks, these cameras have continued operating and data on the movements of Perry residents has continued to be collected. That means another two weeks of surveillance has transpired without public discussion by this council regarding what data is being collected, who has access to it, how it is being used, and what safeguards exist to protect and prevent abuse of the system. By choosing not to discuss this issue publicly, this council is effectively allowing the program to continue without scrutiny, while the collection of residents data continues every single day. Every day that these cameras remain operational is another day that information is being gathered over people you were elected to represent. I am once again asking this council to publicly comment on this issue. Do you support these cameras? Do you believe the public was adequately informed before they were installed? Do you believe the current level of transparency is sufficient? And finally, how is our information being protected from misuse and unauthorized access by other parties? These are all very reasonable questions, and we serve public answers from the elected officials who represent us. Ultimately, I believe that these cameras should be removed. I do not believe that the potential benefits outweigh the privacy concerns created by a system that continually collects information on movements of law-abiding citizens. And if this council believes otherwise, I urge you to defend your stance publicly with a full explanation of why this level of surveillance is necessary and why we should accept the continued collection of our data in violation of our constitutional rights. I respectfully ask that this matter be placed on the agenda of the next council meeting for formal discussion and vote on the future of the program. including the removal of the cameras and termination of any associated agreements. I would also like to once again raise the issue of meeting times. Discussions like this demonstrate why public participation matters, yet meetings continue to be held at 4 p.m. when many residents are still at work. As I mentioned last time, I again had to leave work early today just to be here and give you my comments. Many residents simply do not have that option. If this council truly values transparency and public engagement, I respectfully ask that you reconsider your standing meeting time and move meetings to a later hour that is more accessible to working families and individuals. The residents of Perry deserve answers. They deserve transparency and a meaningful opportunity to participate in these decisions that affect their rights and their community. Thank you so much for your time.

Thank you. And we will discuss the next meeting. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I agree with you on the meet times.

They are, they are for some people. I have a motion. Ma'am. And would it be an option to change it? Sure. Excellent. I motion that we start meeting at 5 o'clock. I agree that maybe someone might start attending the meetings, but we move the meeting time to 5 p.m. In the past, we have had no one attending the meeting, so there was no need for us to be in the waiting. But we will, depending on the council, but they will change the meeting time. So it's my motion that we start now.

I have a motion to change the meeting time to 5 p.m. Do I have a second? Second.

I'd like to hear the manager's comments on those.

Back and forth twice now. If more people start showing up, I'm fine with moving it to five. Like she said, if it's five, there was nobody. If it's four, there was nobody. If more people, we have a turnout like this, we need to be at five.

Sometimes people can't. They don't want to come to everything. They just want to come to one or maybe two of these. Some can't come. I don't know.

I mean, I'm sorry, not all of our staff, but it used to be a time that the tables were full of directors and administrators and now quite reduced that.

It shouldn't be overtime.

They should be given time. What do you think, Mr. Bell? Motion. Motion.

We need a second. Second.

Thank you.

I got a motion and a second to change the meeting times to five o'clock from four o'clock.

Councilor Brown?

Yes.

Councilor Hampson? Yes. Councilor Lansing?

Yes.

Mayor Ketcher?

Yes. Five o'clock it is. That'll start the first meeting if you like. Six, seven, 13. I think they're all meeting. You don't have to get up early. That's right.

When would that be? July 13th.

I got to make sure of the county meeting. I'll be reporting. All right. The plot camera is going to be on the agenda for the same week. Thank you. Very good. Anyone else that would like to speak for the general public or anything that's not on the agenda? hearing and seeing that one. So he's still like, we'll have him visit RFQs. All right, we're going to rearrange the agenda a little bit. We're going to move 6J to the top of the agenda. 6J is council to discuss Harry Newman's Club dream grant application and council to take any action deemed necessary.

Welcome.

And this is my ever-present council meeting. I am Allison Ritter, and I reside in the county of 2436 Green Farm Road. But I'm also president of the Perry Women's Club at 502 North Jefferson Street. I am coming to ask about eligibility for our club to be able to get the tribute grant. It is a building that is used for the community. We do have people that reserve it and rent from us. We have Super Puck in there right now doing the training. So many people do use our building a lot. And so that's one of the things. And we have been in this past. We did do a sign a few years ago, the middle black sign. And we were awarded a grant several years ago for that. So my question is, are we eligible or what do we need to do to focus on that?

I'm not 100% sure. I know.

It's a big question.

They're building on city land, all over the city. They're building on city land.

Yeah, we're on city land, and it's in the CRA.

That's right. It is. It's in the CRA. Yeah.

It's something you don't get, you know, for our commercial purpose, how we do rent the building.

Right.

Do you want to do another sign or something?

We're wanting to paint the building.

Okay.

And bring it up to modern standard. Make it look better for the people that are coming in that do see it as they're passing by on the roadway and as they are into our building. So if there's friendships and we need to repaint the railings and repaint doors and We want to repaint the building a different color just to make it look nicer. Make it look serious.

Make it look nicer.

And at some point, probably replace it on you. But yeah, that would be extremely helpful to us in being able to pay for this stuff. We're just checking my mobility because he wasn't sure about it. We just wanted to come and make sure before we apply for it. You went through all of that?

I initially said no, because it wasn't a commercial. And then she brought up hosting community events and things like that. And y'all are the CRA board, so I figured I'd bring it to you.

To make sure you are eligible. Go ahead and fill out the application and do all that stuff.

I did lose some research.

Go ahead, counsel. We do have a policy. We do have a policy that we do not provide employment. That is my understanding.

That was more like giving direct funding for soccer team and things like that. This is a different program.

We do, you know, we do pay sales tax on these green tools as well. And taxes and stuff on it as well. And it helps to keep our lights on.

And, you know, paper electricity. We've had many other types of seats.

I'm going to ask them for donations. I know this isn't great. But I don't see a difference. I mean, we have a senior center. We'll pay a jerk and some community. But I don't know what they're looking for.

It's probably a tricky situation too. But this money comes

From somewhere else, didn't it? The CRA?

Property taxes within the CRA.

Okay, perfect. I didn't know if it was state.

It was all county, city property taxes based on the increase from 30 years ago, whatever that date was that they started the CRA. Yes.

Where's your microphone, John?

31 years ago.

Did we donate that field to get them?

I don't know how that deal worked. I know we own the land, and I think they own the building.

I mean, I believe it's the building. $79,000, if I remember correctly.

I may be wrong, but I think I heard it got moved in there back in the 50s.

I'm not sure. It stands right now.

Then it got moved there. Oh, right. I thought it was still there. I may be able to speak on something.

That building is over 100 years old. It was started right there. Yes, 1914.

There is documentation.

You could probably get it course historical society, and I have some records at home myself And the only reason I know this is not And it was um Miss Oakland was very busy this Older woman and of course there were so many that went back in time to get this all started Helen scales Jane and Hamilton, those all remember. So it was 1914 that it was originally started and built right there. You're on record for that.

It is this local building, and it's over 100 years old. Yes, ma'am.

I apologize. No, just in preparation for today's meeting, I was trying to research regarding women's clubs, civic clubs. even though there's an outstanding lease with I guess 100 years plus. Apparently, traditionally, things like women's clubs or facilities are broadly classified as commercial property under Florida's zoning and real estate frameworks, even though it operates as a non-profit. There are commercial activities like you all renting. I don't know, do you all pay any taxes? Because it seems like since October 2025, there's been a repeal. of demanding it for leaseholders, but if you're not paying active leasing, I don't know if that impacts you.

I'll just check with Cindy on that, if she's our treasurer.

And so, I mean, there's a means test if it's predominantly or exclusively used for civic purposes that, you know, it would be up to you all, but it's not considered residential as opposed to... So it just seemed like the research I looked at did not forbid it from being used or described as commercial or mixed use or industrial property because it was a nonprofit. And I would guess the differential, if you want to look at, I think, Councilman Canton's statement about there being a specific exclusion of charitable giving toward nonprofits, that I don't know if there needs to be a differentiation, but since this also, it is a nonprofit that also can be a commercial that if the council wanted to permit, because of your location in the VRA zone, as a commercial entity, not as a nonprofit, I feel like that can pass the test. So if Senior Center was here, and I think they do rent, I'm not sure. I know there's different organizations that... work out of there, and then you have the transportation system that seeded. If the senior center is in the CRA district and wanted to potentially apply, I believe their commercial purpose would allow for them to be eligible. It doesn't mean that you have to give it to them. You still may say, well, no, depending on however many people have asked, we don't want to go into this vein. I would say would be different if United Methodist Church applied. Yeah, they would. Because that has some other restrictions. But I would say if Jerkins School or Center was downtown in the CRA, that they would, because they also rent out and have commercial things happening there, that the commercial aspect and civic part would be, they would be eligible to apply as commercial, but they would not be eligible to ask the city for a donation or something that seems in kind. But it is a thin line and it could be a slippery slope. So just because they're eligible doesn't mean that this council or whoever decides to say, yes, we're going to give that grant. So I just wanted to let you know that's what I found in the history when it came to things like civic clubs, women's clubs, and things like that. So it's up to you. But I think they are eligible, but whether or not you provide the grant is still like another step.

Can I say application? I guess anybody can apply.

Yeah, I was checking eligibility before.

If it's commercial, right? If it's commercial.

Yeah, I can come up with the application, but I just wanted to draw this shortly. I just did it four, probably six weeks ago.

It's in your packet.

It's in your packet. I'm pretty sure.

I didn't send one, but one foreign application because we're questioning the eligibility.

I wanted to make sure before I went through all that, that we were eligible and that it was okay.

Fill it out. It's going to fill it out. It's going to worth your time. It's going to fill it out. Okay. Don't know what I'm trying to say here. Is that the first one? Maybe.

I'm not sure they didn't call it a place. They had it set up in the house, stuck in the fence or something. I didn't know they were staying back, because we got here tonight. I found this one on my shoe rack the other day.

I thought I was gonna have it. So anyway. What do you think, Mr. Bill? I just want to make sure before I went through all that. We're not guaranteeing anything.

No, I know it's not guaranteeing anything.

You don't put it in. You're not going to get it for sure. So, deal with that. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and fill it out. Do I need to be present at the next meeting?

Sure. Got it.

Follow the call. The next one. I'll have to remember that, too. All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Agenda item 6A. I can't wait to discuss the winner of this session. It's an approved notice of award. Councilman, take me out to me and ask Sarah. That is all. I'll take it.

You need the bid tabulation reviewer again?

No, I'm just going to give them enough time. I think the tabulation could be in that letter. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. Think about four weeks ago, we received bids from 100 bid stations. There were a few bids that were received. One was an American construction and one RBI, to be honest. And he reviewed a bit, they looked good. We had an additive alternate in order control. When we originally asked for the pump station upgrade, the order control was not in the grant application. But during the design phase, I think some of the council member asked for the order control to be put in. There are unfortunately not enough money at this point to do the order control, but there aren't enough money to do the lift station. Now before I say the order control, we originally we were doing this lift station part of a SRF grant and we were fortunate enough to get the RIF grant on that. So this is 100% grant money. So we have the application, we have the design already done. So we submitted an application to be given, and we'll know in August, Sydney had a good chance of getting it funded. So at that time, we will change over back in the process. But all the lift station and everything that's within the grant, and we have enough funds available, we may have a little bit of funds left over after we do the pump station operation. So we gave you a couple of options in there. We do not have to make a decision on whether we take, right now we are asking them to do is to do a base bid. And then once we build more funding by August, we may add it back in or the city has the option to pay the difference and put that order forward. We are going, the whole building will be sealed and they have some deodorizer they use. So we'll continue to do that. So my recommendation is at least go ahead and award to RPI the solicitation upgrade. And during the course, hopefully we'll find out if we have additional grant from SRL to fund this, only the border control part of it. Okay.

How much of a difference would there be if we went ahead and did the only patrol, where you're doing the upgrades, opposed to doing it later? Is there going to be...

So the fortunate thing about it is SRF grant, we'll know in August. And this project is for a year. So during that time, we can have that link. If we don't get it, we still can talk to the contractor. There are certain items that we can, if the city has to pay, there are a few things we can delete and the city staff can do, like there's a road that needs to be built. So we can value engineer at that time and says, hey, this is what the final number is going to look like. But my suggestion would be is when this way, at least in August, we see it's a one year project. So you have some time to talk to the contractor. So if not, and we have some other funding working and we just, you know, it's up to the council. If you want to go ahead and award that you can, it's a hundred thousand, something different, 160 or something like that. But my recommendation would be the best way in August. And then if there is an issue, And if the city didn't get it, then we'll deal with it.

When you say if they get an issue, and it's been the issue their whole while, is their whole year? Sure. And if we're going to do it, then we should do it on the one time.

Correct. So the same contractor will do it. It depends upon if the city gets a grant and grant pays for it or the city pays for it. So the timeframe is, I don't think it's gonna change much. So you're not losing anything. You can award it today with the order control then, or you can wait till the grant is approved and award it back in like three months. So it's a few days. So he has, you know, it is great. We can also ask him to say if you can hold your price. I don't expect him not to hold it because it's additional work for him. So my suggestion would be to do that.

One other question. When we started this process, was this station supposed to be rebuilt? And I heard

So, yeah. So, yeah. So, the reason being is you have a big pond on the side and the existing, in order to move it to the other side and dig up, you know, build a new pump station, it would have costed about one and a half times this. The reason being is the lift station, the way it's located and the condition, you would have a lot more We have to build, we have to build another building, we have to build, when we got into it, the soil conditions are very bad in that area because they were found and we had to dewater all that. We had, you know, back in the old days, I think, you know, they had a lot of issues in that area for dewatering. So this cause would have shown three times. What we are doing is this, the whole conversation will be lined All the opening will sit. So, you know, concealing everything and you will have, you know, you move, you paint everything. And so I think you will be very free. And they can, you know, talk more about it. I mean, you know, in the past, when they would try to dewater and they would rock and all that. So there's a lot of unknowns. And we didn't, RIF had a timeframe also. We didn't want to jeopardize any of that. and the need for odor control regardless of whether we refurbish it or put a new one, it's the same.

You can ask any questions. My concern has always been, I'm trying to say Mitchell's 1218 on Park Street. My concern has been that it's been years that the odor was just horrible. There is money going over to plantation and other areas for waterworks and all of that great stuff and pipes that have been laid in other areas. There have been citizens that come to this meeting in our area in Bel Air that have had pipes that's been there since the 60s. The pipes in that area, you bump it, it may just disintegrate because they're so bad. And so my concern is that it's not just That particular area is a lot of areas back there in the neighborhood that needs to be funded to get those pipes done. But that is a major concern that when you get to that area, it smells up the entire section. Some of the kids coming out the door that live over in Perrytown trying to play outside and that smell just whiffs and it's very strong. And to me, that should have been the first thing that should have been addressed. And of course, that building I think was built in the 50s or 60s. It's a very old building. My concern to the city would be why wasn't a concern that was addressed before anything else had been addressed when you're giving millions of dollars? I think the city has been given over $100 million grants for waterworks, for pipes, and for all that great work. Why wasn't that one of your first considerations? Because it is a major concern for the entire community.

Okay. So I think a very, very good question. Let me answer it. So that money is there. We haven't touched it. So when we did the overall project, the $100 million is still there. You can still deal with that money. So that was after this grant was awarded. as part and we were doing overall the city need analysis. So we did several different things. So one of our new station was part of the SAM plus RF funding. So the one which they were residing in. And we were fortunate enough to get the RIF funding, but there was a limitation of how much we would get from RIF. So that will do your pump station. The grant we applied to do the RIF and the pump station and the water control. We did the engineering on it. It will be decided in August if you get the funding or not. If the ornamentals are there, the $100 million, we haven't started anything on it. We can add that into it and work that way. So this is the reason, otherwise I would have recommended you go ahead and, you know, the order is that you have a million dollar grant. You can pay a portion of it and get it done that way. So those two are still in works. So that's why I was saying, so it's going to get it done one way or the other, either city pay for it or grant pay for it. I think we need to come out here and include it.

If you want to include it, there is included in the project. He's saying we can't include it later. It's going to get done either way. We're just going to wait until you pay for it. I want to make it clear. This is the most important lift station. It's the first one we're doing. It was our first application. Then, you know, So we're working on the priorities, sir, for Trinity.

And so we give you three options. You can vote on it now, pay for it, and do it that way. I'm perfectly fine with it. The only thing is then the grant, you know, since you already voted ahead of time and the grant is not here yet, you're not likely to say no.

If we go ahead and do it now, we don't stand a chance of getting the money in August.

Yeah, this is just the money part. We're doing it either way.

We're just saying don't go ahead and approve the extra money to do the other control.

So what do you need from us?

So we just need you to accept the data and authorize John and me to sign the contract.

How about you? That's the second piece. Yes.

Yes. Thank you.

Thank you. And that indeed. Here in the past, no other period for considering approval of the city manager's recommended capital improvement program for fiscal year 2026. or a 2031. Whatever I'm good with, or just a million dollars a year.

I'm just like zeroes. There are additional streets that you can pay for. Gareth J. With one. Gareth J. If you say. Gareth J. I don't know.

Gareth J. It said various streets, we played in based on condition. Gareth J.

But most of these cases were. Gareth J. In. Gareth J. This. Gareth J. streets again. Most of them wouldn't make a decision. It's one of my students. And it's not one's list of their schedule. I said, well, it's your list.

It's those that make you speak.

Those aren't made for you. You know, Steven Street, Park Street, Willow Street. That's actually Boulevard, Fable, and Southwest.

She's talking about how we work off the property list when the city does it themselves. Yeah.

We have to start with the worst ones and go over there. Makes sense.

So you're asking that to show the others that... Not tonight.

We'll do that here in budget whenever we approve what we've done.

When are we going to start in budget?

Me and Carly started today. But y'all will start the first... meeting in July. Well, Carly, I started the day. Carly started. Which is this?

Anybody have any more discussion?

Do you want the public to give anything they would like to with regards to the budget? I have read and kept up with this

whatever it is you're doing in the budget for the five-year period. I've seen some changes. I go line by line by line by line. And I feel like anyone that's interested in this whole community needs to realize the amount of time that's been put into it, the changes that have gone into it. And I applaud you. That's a tough job. And I think that what he has done is important. to notice because it doesn't just happen overnight.

I don't know if y'all remember the old ones, but it was just a list of like eight items. The old, see, I think it was just a list of about eight to 10 items.

Well, I hope you got good input from your department agents. That helps.

Well, it's a five-year plan. It's living. They can change one year to the next. It's a five-year wish list to me. I'm not going to say that you can move around. They'll see it happen a few times. So anyway, is there any more discussion from anyone? Not the board member? No. I'll entertain a motion. Motion to approve. Second.

Well, that was just a public hearing. The next one will be a resolution, so you don't have to come in. That's true. You can approve the next item.

Second, I see. Agenda 6C, Resolution 26.22.

Reference to city manager's recommended five-year capital improvement program. Resolution of the city program for fiscal year 2026 through 2031. Resolution of the city of Perry Flora approving and adopting the city manager's recommended five-year capital improvement program for fiscal year 2026 through 2031. Now we have time for a motion.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes.

This is finally the grant after Idalia. Finally, Idalia. I think it's 11 generators around critical city facilities. Should be a separate, it's a 75% to 25% local match, but Florida Commerce is supposed to be taking care of the 25% local match. And they're moving just as slow as FEMA.

We're in our third year now, coming up on our third year since failure.

Should have another one about a year from now, probably the same for, what, four more generators?

Yeah. So this is fairly normal for HEMA and HMEP. So, you know, I'm in Panama City, and we're still doing work since 2018.

So, for example, I know you're calling Hurricane Mike. I would just say, this is a really good thing. So you've got some critical generators.

And so I'll just say, go ahead and, you know, this is a very good project. So that will allow you to have a bunch of generators in your pump station. I think we have a city generator and then you have others. So, and if you get it 25% on Florida Commerce, that's almost free. So I would say some overhead.

The authorization to sign it. Motion to approve.

Second. Very exciting.

Councilor Barnes? Yes. Councilor Hinton?

Yes.

Dr. Landry? Yes. Secretary?

Yes. Yeah, item six E, council to discuss 108 Magnolia Road and council to take any action, if necessary. Well, it might be a little complicated. I think we discussed it at some point. You and I discussed it, and I think you put it on the agenda, but at any rate, as long as we're going to discuss it, Tell everybody what.

The lady's name was been in code enforcement with liens up to over $89,000. But the lady is deceased, and I believe it's her daughter that's living out of it like that. And we get complaints all the time from the neighbors. But until we start a new process, just add more fines to it every day. I believe it's the daughter. The daughter.

Now the house lady's name is deceased. I believe so.

Yes, the owner of the home is deceased. There's no probate action that's started on this property. I understand the person who's been dwelling there has dealt with stints, incarcerated. And so there are times when the house has no one there, but the picture is not really doing justice. This has been a subject of code enforcement several times. I did take the liberty of asking our code enforcement officer, Bruce Griffin, to be here with the file, if you all had any questions. And we're getting a lot of complaints. And on that particular neighborhood, there is maybe two or three other properties that are definitely not as bad as that, but they are coming into compliance. And the people in this neighborhood have great pride and want their neighborhoods to look nice. And this has just continued to be a problem. I'm also sort of concerned that there's a dog being held there. Sometimes there's a person there, sometimes not, a pit bull or something. Multiple dogs. Multiple dogs. And so when I was asked as to what could we do regarding enforcing the lien, and also there's other opportunities here in which I sent John a memo Mark made the 12th and he copied it and placed it in your files to review that we have, you know, a number of properties have leans on them. Very few may have as many as this, but this is also continue to be a worsening nuisance. Even people who are trying to maybe sell or rent property in that neighborhood or having a problem when they turn into that neighborhood, that's the one first house you'll see. So maybe I'll start with the, easiest to the hardest. So the easiest, which is the third one, is that because there has been multiple repeat violations that we could do what's called a nuisance abatement, where the city could possibly go in and clean up the property, even though I'm clear that's probably impossible. But say, conceptually, we can clean up the property without demolition. going through demolition, which is almost every property we ever have. And going to the second, or we can go through demolition, which is a process that we have been doing quite often with Board of Adjustments more often in the last year and a half. And you all have increased the budget for demolition because it is an unfit and dangerous dwelling. And like I shared in the memo, What do you mind coming forward, Bruce, with the files? That I did have, after talking to Officer Griffin, had him to go ahead, because he is, by our LDR section, the person that can make those decisions. He did place on the property, basically, what tantamounts to condemnation of the property and that there should not be anyone living in there. Typically, when someone is living in the property, It has been in the past, like an older person who's being taken advantage of, maybe they're renting and things. And Officer Griffin, I've seen him talk to different social services agencies to try to place that person somewhere. This is a situation where the person living there is related to the owner who is now deceased, but has made no intent or effort to go through any process to take responsibility for the property, is like I said, sometimes leaves it because of her incarceration. And it is a situation where Homestead is no longer attached because with deceased person, because it's deceased owner, that we do have a third step, which I don't say that it's as complicated, but it's definitely much more work in that the city could rightfully foreclose or file a petition to foreclose on the property. So, whereas in the past, if we demolish the property, the ownership remained with whoever the property owner is, and we can put a lien money that they owe us for demolishing a property. Now, whether or not they ever paid, I have no idea. I imagine not. But in this case, not only could we demolish it, but we could take possession, I believe, victoriously through a petition for foreclosure on the property. And although we're not in the habit of trying to build up surplus property right now, The cost, well, right now, the particular property is supposedly estimated by the tax appraiser's website at $66,450, the building is. But again, I know those pictures are hard to see. I don't know that it was still, if it still is that valuable. And our lien is $89,000. Officer Griffin can speak to it or answer any questions, but he's estimating Because of what's on the property, they'll take up to $20,000 to demolish and remove what's on the property. And when it comes to filing fees for foreclosures, it's $905. So it's not a quick process, but we, as a city, do stand to at least gain something in adding it as a property. And this house, unlike the other houses that have come before the board in the last year, has been the only one that hasn't even tried to be in compliance and no other property is situated like this property, which, you know, it really actually outside of that home is really seemingly a nice middle class neighborhood. But this particular property continues to stand there with all this junk, dogs, potentially drug abuse situations happening in the property is just a big problem we keep getting complaints. So As promised in the past, when we talk about foreclosing or going through the finances of putting liens on property and enforcing them, that we bring it back to the council to decide if that's an action we want to take.

So that file is just on this land? Just on this house? Just this house. I have some updated pictures. The actual cost right now, there is a lien for $89,100 that we filed in February. Since February of last year. Since then, there's been a cure to another $24,750 in binds to $50 a day. So it's $113,850 that's occurred on property right now. And these are pictures of the cheap that I took last month. They haven't had utilities in the house in forever.

No sewer, no electric, on again, off again, water. The water, if they have water, usually they connect to the restaurants on the other side of the fence with water hose and we go and remove it. Generator or whatever with the power.

There's not even that. Is that, yeah.

wanted to demolish this home, granted it looks awful on the outside, to be clean, but we have homes that look far worse than this home.

I don't know if any of you see the reports of this from me. I'm sorry.

We just don't know what we're speaking of. We're just speaking of the home, not the objects or whatever. Some have said, yes, and my district, we have some new tourists. We're wanting to put some more now. We have insurance. There's not going to be a place to go. We're charging them $50 per day. We can't afford to even get the water cut off. So what is spending $50 per day? Who is that helping? I know we're not going to get paid for that. I do have three. We need to get it cleaned up. But I don't agree with them on demolishing the home. Maybe some other relative or something. I believe the other family member is either in prison or in jail right now.

The only other one that could assist.

And so everyone's clear. The house is condemned. So right now, no one, even for their own safety, is supposed to be in the home. And like I said, typically in the past, we've tried to work in, you know, helping someone find another place to be, but legally in, you know, for their own safety, there's not so much that's supposed to be in the home. The house is condemned regardless.

Mr. Wright.

I condemn it. When the chief and I were there last month, there was so much trash stacked up against the front of the house. It goes from the concrete base to the soffit. Probably three, four foot deep, 20 feet wide. You can't even get into the front doors of the house. You have to run it back and out the end of the house. And it's probably, yeah, there's braids laid, there's raw garbage all over the place. It smells horrible. The neighbors constantly complain of rats around the property. She goes out at night and collects garbage from around the city and brings it to her house. There's piles of used concrete in the driveway. Big chunks of concrete.

She's still doing that? Yes. She was incarcerated?

She's on again. for drug offenses. And this has been a problem since I started here in 2007. Okay, this place has been like this. I'm taking a fourth BOA to seek demolition of the house in August. I've already sent out the first letters. First letters have gone out to her. The problem is the cost of demolition because of all the garbage inside the house and outside the house, it would be $20,000 to $25,000 just for that house alone. We have renters all around this house and they're complaining about it. So obviously the Realty companies are complaining to me, wanting me to do something with it because their renters are complaining. And I have three other houses on this street that are in the process of fixing stuff up and coming into compliance. She does nothing. She does nothing. She ignores all the- She stopped going.

She's done. If it's going on that long, she stopped going.

No. There's not been any property taxes paid on this property in probably 12, 14 years. And she's now responsible for it because I turned the property back into the property appraiser's office when I found out that Ms. Oda was deceased, has been deceased for years. So the free taxes don't apply anymore in the house. So I turned it back into the property appraiser's office, notified them of it. So she's now two years behind on her property taxes also. But this house cannot be fixed, ma'am. This house cannot be fixed. It can't be fixed. It is that far gone. It would have to be ripped to bare concrete walls, inside and out.

That's a nice question.

I don't have a question. I'm sorry.

Yes, could you come on up and give them your name?

Adam.

Thank you.

Sorry. Thank you. My name is Aureole Blaylock. I live at 136 La Cour Lane. I pass by this house every day, and I will say the pictures that were up there were true, but I would say probably within the last week, it's clean. I don't know if you've been by there, but I was really shocked. The whole yard is clean. They built some kind of plywood makeshift closing for the garage area, but it's clean. I just wanted to, I thought it was important for you to know that the yard is clean.

I think there's more than one. All they have done for this house. Put some blue darts over the garbage. I would buy their today. One o'clock in the afternoon. It's not a week. There's several houses. There's only one I see for a problem. It's good. Not as bad as this in the same ballpark. It's

The one that you're speaking of is catacorner to, I believe, Miss Fidget, but this home, I believe, was Elizabeth Darnell. It may be her daughter that owns that. I know she had me in and out of prison. So, you said her name?

Yeah, that's right. This is Tammy Perry and Dora Odom.

Oh, the daughter's name is on the home? Yeah. Okay, so, yeah.

Yes.

Yes, Elizabeth Darnell. That's not the house. The 108 Magnolia is the yellow house? Norma Odom is the name of the house. I thought you said it was 108 Magnolia.

But Norma Odom, Darlene Odom was the owner. She's the one that passed away.

Oh, I don't know the mom's name. I'm just talking about the daughter. What's the daughter's name? Eliza Darnell. Amy Perry. Okay.

Like I said, there's a lot of houses. I'm going to make a thing like 303.

Oh, I know. They're both yellow, I guess. I don't know, anyway, thank you guys.

There's two or three in the mid-term project. You know what I'm talking about. This one is a different one. It's been an ongoing problem since 2017. I have a property down right here right now, and she doesn't know what I think. Normal O. What's your desire for this? I can't hear. Did the magistrate make a decision? Yes, she did. She has placed $50 day fines on the house. And what I have done now, because of the ongoing problems and the condition of the house and the condition of the roof and stuff, I'm taking a fourth VOA. I have to give a VOA. I have to give a 120-day notice. That's running out in August. We're going to have a final. It will go before the VOA in August. But I haven't given an opinion. Not yet, because that will be in August. August. And, you know, they're probably going to get the authorization to tear it down.

I guess one must be in the way. Actually, it's two actionable things. I didn't think about the second one, which is the actual budget for it. But the foreclosure process is not a quick process, but that could happen at the same time as it's going to be reviewed for the Board of Adjustment to permit the petition for foreclosure. For instance, if we weren't If the city was to prevail, which I think, I mean, all the law suggested we would, then the city could then also take ownership and still not be demolished and whatever. Those are two separate actions. What Officer Griffin will be going to the board with in August, regardless of the actions today, is for it to be demolished. It's already been, and as he already does, as the LDR administrator that can put that forth, the Board of Adjustment can decide whether they'll demolish it or do nothing or clean it. What we're asking, which is very different than what I've done since I've been in this position, is a petition to file foreclosure. Whereas before any demolished property, we just basically put the lien on the owners and say, you're supposed to pay us for all this work we did to demolish it. Whereas this is like, we would take over ownership of the property. So that's what I was seeking counsel's instructions or authorization to do. Or at least there would be a decision about it based on what you've been provided.

The house has got a structural damage, I'm assuming. It's been rotting from the inside out because of the horrific amount of garbage inside the house. And it was like that back when I was a patrol officer here. So I had to deal with the gulps several times, the warrants and the heresies about them, when you'd know they were still alive. And it was an apparent benefit.

The gulps and the gulps, it's not, I won't be sure tonight is Donald. So we're going to put you in on the inside. I don't know. This is because I don't know. It makes it makes it right now.

Yes, because you have there's writing food and writing the curious stuff inside the house. They didn't wish for it to be inside the garage. Is that a picture? That's a recent picture, basically, because the red notice on the window there is where I declared the house. And you can see that's the front door there where you see that white basket hanging there. That's the front door. I need to have the front entrance. That roof on the left looks rough. All right, we're gonna take a shower. It's the two of us.

And of course, you all don't have to make a decision today, but if there's some more information you would want to help make a decision or want to place it on another calendar after the August, but again, because of time, I thought based on the request about what are our options that we can have both processes going at the same time Because the Board of Justice will be the ones deciding whether it should be demolished or not.

We should go ahead on there. Question? Go ahead on Board of Justice. It's coming in August, right? What's your decision in August? First Monday in August. First Monday in August. Oh, I made it for the neighbors. I'm going to have to put it up with this act of slaughter, but I think that would be the best. Well, the first.

Even if they give me authorization to demo it, there's no money this year's budget to put that about to carry on. I've already gone through this year's budget on a demo. I know we increased it. It would require an exception to the budget. There's going to be so much to tear that house down. I didn't realize how close it was to the commercial area. I think this is right there.

So it would improve the overall value of the property for the neighborhood. Okay, so we'll revisit this after the Board of Adjustments is silent. Is that what I understand? Yes.

And even if it's been planked up, as the realtor said, the Board of Adjustments will step that into consideration. But I heard they were working on one.

It's one. Another false. Another false street. And we'll get further. We're at it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Jim, I don't have counsel to discuss 1005 Jefferson Street tree. Counsel, take any names necessary. Yes. Yeah, since we've been on the agenda, because everybody's gone from worrying about it to all this panic.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

I think the lightning hit all the other days. I think the lightning hit the other day when we were in that storm. I heard it, and I rode by. I seen the bark on the ground, so I assumed the lightning had to hit us big. It's pretty bad.

It's the same.

Danielle called me yesterday and said she's meeting with somebody tomorrow with that, I guess.

Speaking of public works, Danielle said that she's in contact with the property owner who said they're having an arborist tomorrow to come look at the property. But prior to that, I understood that there was an announcement that I needed to be removed, but there may be some holdup in the process regarding insurance. Again, just in preparation of today's meeting, I knew that address was familiar because it was on a recent code enforcement hearing in May as a repeat violator dealing with the overgrown brush and other issues of nuisance and hazard in the yard. And there has been no attempt to comply with some of the most simplest requests. So my biggest concern, even though she would be liable to something where it happened, but if it says even I noticed that there is a nuisance that needs to be abated, that could be a serious hazard, it makes me concerned about whether or not you want to use any type of police power to request or demand that it be removed expeditiously, and if not, that we remove it and charge it back to the owner. because she's already in noncompliance with things including weeds and outgrow, even though the tree was not a part of that argument, but it's a part, I think of the definition. I understand, but it's a part, it's the same property. It's the same property. My only point was that if you all feel that it's fine, it's fine, but if you want it, because I think the question was, what could the city do? Not that you should do it. What could the city do? If you wanted to use nuisance abatement and give a short order for it to be resolved, you could, even if because of the cost, you would have to front the cost and then charge it back to the property owner. But if you feel that it's fine, and even if there may be some issue that you're comfortable with just letting the owner work it out the way the owner can, then, you know, that's also well within your rights.

If you mentioned to them about the female money, what program was that? You told me about removing the trees. I don't remember.

What was this? You gave me information. What did you find?

Is any part of it, the tree, on the right of way, state right of way?

It's all on the property. When you look at the pictures from the north and south, it's two feet to the inside of the cycle. And the limbs are hanging over. Yes, they're hanging over the power line and the trunk is, yes.

Well, there's a lot of liabilities sitting there. Yes, there is. There's a lot of liabilities. Bruce is getting a question in the back. Yes, ma'am. They're moving trains. Not that I'm aware of. Dan?

I'm sorry. Has Duke Energy been even contacted about it? What did they say about Trudeau?

I got them to come look, and that line only runs to a light, I think. So they said they weren't concerned about it.

And I also understand from Daniel and public works if they need to, after the arborist looks at it, if they need to cut off temporarily so that it can be removed safely, they would. but then right now that they were not concerned.

They did say they would remove or drop the line down for them while they're doing the work.

It was a concern. I'm sorry, I missed something. I shouldn't say it was a concern because that's not the words that I was told, but that they had been contacted and they said they could turn it off. But I was, I was just, it was described to me in partnership with the owner having an arborist supposedly coming tomorrow. But I don't, I don't have any verification. That's just what I, I would say that's what Daniels would hope.

It wouldn't be the case. I mean, we obviously want the tree now. It's going to kind of, the way it's landed, the picture doesn't really show, it's leaning towards Jefferson. And it's going, unless there's a severe wind going the other direction, it's going to fall, it's going to hit Jefferson.

And I can tell you, there's more bark gone from that tree because it was hit by lightning last week. There's more bark gone from that tree. Yes.

I didn't last lens on it now, did he?

Yeah, they also did it all over town.

They are. So should we just wait till tomorrow? It gives two or more weeks before we make a decision.

I would say she's not under contract to have it cut down by a date that we go ahead and do what you described. Yes, I do see a beatment.

I mean, the police could I mean, it's under police power, home rule. And again, it's not to punish her because apparently she would bring it down easily, I guess, if she could afford to possibly. But if the city, if we felt that it was that dangerous, the city could pay for it and she would be held to reimburse.

Jarvis Becker every time or something on her bill or something like that. That's what I was thinking. It wasn't my idea to punish anybody either.

I just wanted to say that because people are concerned about punishment.

Yeah, we're not trying to punish them. We're just trying to get the tree done. Like I said, people have gone from just concerned to full anxiety over this tree at this point. Understandably so.

I don't think it's just the money. I think she's struggling to find somebody to do it. Danielle told them we'll shut down Jefferson while they're working too. You're not going to want people riding on that road while they're working.

Because I'm not a treated person, but I understand for people that are treated people, that one like that is tricky to go down.

Well, as a person who lost a family member to a fallen tree, that is nothing to my brother lost his life at 39 because of a fallen tree. So it may not look menacing, but it can really be menacing.

It was just helping somebody or something that just didn't go right.

What I'm trying to tell you all because there's some crow in there that will help remove that tree. I just can't find the information at this point. I gave the information to Raven, and then came to her and helped remove the trees. So that would help the landowner. If I could find this information, I knew I was sharing.

How long do you think, do you know how long it took them? It didn't take long.

Raven might have been.

Do you know if it was attached to any of the land? Do you know if it was attached to a state agency or something?

Yeah. Oh, church.

Oh, okay. You know, I said before he was about to punish her or anything. I said, it's not her fault the tree got in her yard. It's just bad for her.

That's all I'll build you with. No, it could be on her as much as it could be on us. Or it would be helping her. Exactly. You're right.

It would be. So do you want to say there's some kind of time limit on it? I mean, it's going to come down to us all eventually. It's a question of when and how and where. Exactly. That's why I brought this up. One of the other scraps and goes, who knows when. Well, we're going to cancel.

We're serving all the time, though. That's what it is. We are going to. I would like to. You know, we're going to have to see. It was a church.

That's a really dangerous job right there.

That particular tree is definitely. Yeah. But they say any tree that's dying is really more dangerous than a child's life. Yeah. I've been told that about people who don't keep that kind of work. I think we all have been agreed that he's going to. This one? Absolutely. So John is going to use a phone number.

Give me a date when we start looking for somebody.

We'll stay at 23rd. 23rd. 23rd. It was a patient. She said, meet with someone tomorrow.

Is that correct? That's what she told Daniel.

Seven days. It's not done.

Next Wednesday, we'll find somebody to do it. I think that's the problem she's having is finding somebody to take the job.

Those trades are dangerous. They are They are. That one's going to be tricky right here by the road. Well, if they tell them that Duke's willing to take the power line down, you're going to close the road, that's going to take a lot of liability off of them. So that might change the price. And then the city pick up the debris, and that would save costs too. That's a good thing. Siri picked up some of those boys. Sean, I guess you sound like me or something.

All right.

We've already told her we'll pick up.

Great. Does the homeowner know that Duke will take the line now? I don't know. Any of the guys, there's like two guys down that have a truck tall enough. You're going to need the 100 footer to get to the top of it. I know Triple D and Leslie McKenzie both have a truck and reach the top. And if the tree's already leaning out, the liability part of it is a lot less. If the power line's gone, it's not a complicated job for somebody with a truck tall enough just to get up there, try to put the top down.

Yeah, and with the road getting close to the road.

If you start bumping it, it starts falling. And as long as no one's under it, it's not a hard time. But that power line would have been a big deal with they need to know that the power line should be gone, and that I bet it'd be a pretty good deal for them.

Seven days.

Seven days is reasonable.

Motion on there, or do you want to just do it? Just use answers. So we can move forward with the leases abatement if we have to.

Yeah, she's going to pay for it either way, so it's not affecting our budget or anything, just the timing.

And the bond was not trying to... We just want to get the tree down. That's all anybody wants. Yeah, that's a real hazard.

It is. Raymond said that number, it was Brandon's Tree Service. Jacob Brandon. Yeah, he's the one that cut the oak. That's true. Over on Macon Street. I see Raymond's house. I'll let the owner know.

So you all take over as I'm in? Within seven days, or we can file a notice? We can file that. We don't have to file it, but we have to file it by notice. But notice, we don't have to file it.

Yeah, we'll be able to make a motion then. I'm going to say she walks the tree. I'm going to start with it. That's an assumption. She's okay with being gone.

I think she wasn't too worried about it until very recently.

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming that she's okay with it being cut down. Yeah. So. She could sound agree to allow us to do it. Okay. They just charge it back to her so much amount of whatever it is.

Okay.

Everybody okay with that?

Yeah, but please keep saying that. We'll get it better ready.

Got a business card.

Let's just be sure she shouldn't get them a house.

House member Hampton Raven.

Who's Raven? I'm sorry.

I don't know.

Brian. And received a complaint from Ms. General's that one of the trees was almost felled over on her property. And I think she made me with that bad trees. that they turned down. And sometimes it is that we are having things that are not being facetious, yes.

So do we need a motion on this or just consensus before we're doing it?

I'm doing my job either way.

I was asking for a vote since you've been discussing it, that we would give seven days for the property owner to cure the situation and not that we would step in. If we don't set a date, we could get drawn out. So next Wednesday.

Are you going to July 1st?

We are. It's Wednesday, July 1st.

Okay. And again, it should be welcome, but I just, she may just agree, like, hey, if you can find someone, including the resource that Raven Bryant has, .helper. So is there a motion and a second?

Anyone care to make a motion?

Yes.

Daniel said he already gave her his number and Blaski.

Excuse me?

Daniel said she's already given her the number you were talking about and Blaski.

She didn't use?

Uh-huh.

So first your ears. The tree needs to come down by July 1st.

Yes, so the city can step in with a nuisance abatement and do it themselves. That's all I was asking, because we have to provide notice, so that's why I was asking. Is there a second? Second.

Is there a motion? There's a motion. Is there a second?

Motion. Motion to vote. The tree will be taken down by July 1st. Or, I couldn't hear all she said. Something about- I just said the city can move in to remove the trailer. Or the city can come in and do it. Are we mad at these two here?

I was just asking personally, sorry, but it's been a very amicable situation with public works. We got two conversations. I apologize.

Say it properly.

I was suggesting personal service, and there's been a pretty amicable relationship between Public Works, because they're working with her to try to, she wanted to get it down.

I have a question. I don't want to turn it over to Sarah, which is what I was trying to help get the treaty down. I hope that will be smooth. Yes, ma'am. You have the word.

It's going to be personally served. Yeah.

But I think Public Works is going to be out there tomorrow anyway with the arborists. Chair?

Who's tree is it? Who's tree is it?

Pear tree. This lady lives on North. Yes, she lives there. Yes, she still lives there. Yes, she still lives there. Yes, she still lives there. How do you shoot?

I'm not sure.

I don't know.

That used to be where she lived. I don't know if somebody else is there. It doesn't make any difference.

You know it is?

She still lives there.

We're going to copy the survey out like this.

Survey?

Yeah.

Or leave?

How do you know?

Nancy?

We're going to have a survey. Look. I think Danielle measured it. They measured it.

Danielle and I measured it. It's on her property. Yes. So it is on her property.

Not very far on her property, but it's on her property.

Right, not far. But it is on her property. So may I? Sure. Please. Let's put an end to these. Sit down there. The last one was larger than that, and it fell during idealia. I don't know if any of you remember it or not, but it fell. And it fell into Jefferson Street, same size tree. And the city, out of their right to do so, went and removed everything out of Jefferson Street for safety. And her part, they just, well, y'all get the job. Don't do Jerusalem because it was then on the sidewalk and on Jefferson Street blocking traffic, so on and so forth. And we had all those people that influenced all these workers coming from Adelia. My goodness, it didn't. And this tree is a bad situation. I won't walk under it.

Well, you just don't go in.

You don't know when. If you look at it from the north to the south, you can see it's at an angular. So if a wind, something happens, it's going to be the root system that's going to pull up that eye field out of the ground. If all the widow makers don't fall before that.

We'll find a different place.

Yeah.

We talked this thing just about the net. I think we all agree that it needs to come down. There's seven days. There's a motion on the table for if it doesn't get cut in seven days, the city's going to step in and do it. Just finance it back on their utility bill over time. We have a motion on the table. Do we have a second? Second. There you go.

House Member Brimes? Yes. House Member Hanson?

Yes.

House Mayor Landry? Yes. Mayor Pitcher?

Yes. We're at agenda item 60, ordinance number 1061, introduction and first reading. Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Theriot, Theriot County, Florida, regarding service less lands. authorizing in advance a certain demand to the Taylor County School Board as a gift for public education purposes, reserving a utility easement to the city and providing an effective solution. I thought we'd already done this. Yeah, I was about to say, talk about something else at that time.

We haven't done it actually.

We did have it, but that's a no. Who will be blinded by this board? the legal work contract, so.

Ray Curtis has been handling it so far. I didn't hear. Attorney Curtis has been handling it so far.

But who's paying for it? Does the school board pay for it?

We got to pay for it. It shouldn't be too much, I would think.

What's a little bit different is that this request is also regarding the utility easement, which was not a part of the original discussion. The research that has come forward without getting all into the mire was a part of it, right, John, that you were wanting to retain for a potential lift station. So that's just a small difference, but it's one that was not included in the first.

Just saying the legal fee to do that is a small business.

No, no. No, I was just saying the action that you all agreed to was gifting the property. At one time we thought it was like one property, but the same donor gave us more than one and gave it to the county too. And so in order for us to give it to the school board, we had to have agreement by the county and upon further review, because one of the spaces would be perfect. If you look at the bottom of page one, where it says that we will maintain a sewer lift station situated on the subject property, that added additional legal terminology that needed to be passed by us as well. Yes.

I should be going a couple hundred bucks, I wouldn't think.

For the whole transaction?

I'm ready to be done with it.

We are now dealing with the county, the school board, and the city, but it was supposed to be a gift for the counties.

So the county is taking care of their part of the...

I don't know. You've got to read the emails. These maneuvers do all of it.

i'm just following what ray doesn't think we can follow up and get a cost to send to you all to that i don't have that information and i and truly i can't say it's going to be a few hundreds i don't think it's going to be exorbitant but raise a little bit more than just a few hundred typically well on page three you've got uh city of bear here our reserves of perpetual

non-exclusive utility. Why is it non-exclusive? Why would it be exclusive?

I don't know why and if there's a need for potential ability to share that utility easement with the county as well because we both Officially own it. I'm not aware. We're asking for the easement for our water station. I don't believe the county had the same interest. The county didn't even know that they also co-owned it. So it's just like the county's like whatever you guys need to do to give the property to the school board. And we just tried to make it work. but we can get that answer to you. I'm not sure why non-exclusive.

I think that means if it was an exclusive utility agreement and they needed to run something or the cable company needed to run something, they'd have to ask us because we would have the exclusives until the agreement. But it's just the thing we have.

It's always non-exclusive. Okay.

It's like a deal where it's all over the exclusive for after the evening. They can eat, but they can't. They can't eat, but they can't eat.

Yep.

I don't see anything. I don't see anything.

Number one.

Yeah. Good question. Does anybody else want to speak on it or have any comments on it? It's first reading, so it's going to come back to us again. All right. Yeah, that's it. I wasn't pulling from the city stage 23 budget amendment. Yeah, thank you. And when you get to the top, you know, says H orders number 10 and 60. There's that's the first reading of ordinance requirements. Basically, Clean that long conversation we had at the last meeting. Yes. Any discussion on this? All right. All right. I'm just going to come back again and do that. Now we'll move to the agenda item 6i, the resolution 2026-23, budget amendment BFA grant. Resolution of the city council amending the budget of the city of Perry, Florida for the fiscal year October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2026.

Chiefly got a 50-50 grant for Wildland here for the first. 50-50 grant that Chief Lee got. We got to use the city funds for that vote. I think it was for volunteers. Yeah. He's trying to get the volunteer program started back. That helps a lot with your isolated rankings and technically to have more people that can get as much as fire. And we only made ISO 4 by, I think it was 0.07 last time. They've got to work on ISO scores so they don't fall off. And I hope to get to a ISO 3 one day. Yeah. But having the volunteer program helps a lot.

Motion.

Motion, we have a second. Second. Second.

Councilor Brown? Yep. Councilor Hampton? Yes. Councilor Landry? Yes. Mayor Gibson?

Yes. Okay, we have around 6K, 30 more minutes, 10 more times, 21.6, ready for session. And it would be great if you could comment on the minutes.

Motion to move this.

Yeah.

Second. I won't be here the next meeting.

Florida Commerce sent us an email. Everybody that received the CDBG-DR grant has to have a representative at a three-day, 24-hour fraud prevention training in Orlando. How much would it be here sitting through 24 hours of that? i will be in orlando tuesday wednesday very good thank you i think i'll be fine

Yes. City Manager's event which was due in February. It is our responsibility to do this evaluation and we're still due two evaluations has not been received yet. I'm going to ask you to read it. One and two. Evaluation procedure. Yes.

Number one, the city manager will inform the mayor when the time for annual evaluation has occurred. Number two, the mayor will ask city council members to include the evaluation form prior to an evaluation session.

Okay. I'll turn it back to you.

You can keep it up. I guess you're starting to get right. Yes.

I'm supposed to. There was no. I guess. All right. What I'm saying is that you have to take this seriously. This is one of our main duties. And steer back into evacuations. Have you submitted yours? You are?

Yes, ma'am.

So we can discuss it next. Next lady probably start here. During the time. Oh, wow.

That would be.

That's already made. Yes. That is critical. We still have to. So the need is that I wanted to answer this. Is it true? We don't say anything. I don't feel it yet. We'll get on the ball with y'all. What we plan on doing around the second meeting in July

See you there, defend yourself. See you there. My word. See you live.

28. Well, thanks for speaking.

The way I've been going, and I've been looking for talent.

28, that's correct.

I did order a three-button up there. I'm going to try it out. All right, so we're going to do the evaluation on about a month from now.

I was like a son of a fan of yours by my side.

I had planned to ask Council to change the meeting with A.S. Greenberry. You're having to fly cameras, please. I mentioned that story. Then it comes at Lockbridge. I understand we had an incident that couldn't cost the city some money. And we take care of it. Are you not aware of it?

Yes, I'm aware of it. Yes, I'm aware of it.

You are aware of it? Absolutely. The ceiling, the bathroom, and the building. Inside the building.

One of these panels. Someone was in there. A child. Somebody else. I didn't know that.

Yes. I see it. We need to get this.

Is that going to be replaced or what?

I'm not sure. I'll check on it. Please. In the bathroom and stuff? Yes. Not only that, I actually made it two months ago. I just repaired it a little bit. And then what did you say, we were waiting on the grants?

Yeah, nothing. All that grants.

Okay.

Shouldn't know about them. They'd sweep.

Okay. Now on Sundays, when we rent the building on Sundays, we're not having the lots change. You know, if someone rents it on a Saturday, then we have someone else coming in on a Sunday. They can't get in the building because they don't have the information.

The code should be assigned on the lockbox.

So if they didn't have the information, they couldn't get in.

Well, they're supposed to call up here and get the code. When they pay their full, they get the code for the lockbox.

Well, anyway, whatever it is you have to need to do, they couldn't get in. Okay. So, in Bruce Lee, Whitman?

Yes, I'm sorry to interrupt.

Parker Street, from the chamber. Parker Street. Parker. Yes. Well, there's two homes on that street that have not paid a lease to come through. Do you have the address? At the end. Which is the dead end by the old sawmill? Yeah, one runs into Short Street. And the other is at the dead end. The ones on the right? And they'll stay in and they're asking for information about it.

I'll give information to it.

Okay. Also, I asked how someone... come to my home. I can't get in my backyard because I overgrow the trees from properties. And I was told that there's nothing we could do about it because this city...

If it falls on your property, you're responsible no matter where it comes from.

Is that right?

If it falls on your property.

Okay, this is not falling, it's leaning.

Let's just make this true. Anything that's on your side of the property line is your responsibility.

It's not on my side.

Okay, so...

I was told that you all can't do anything about it.

No, that's not a criminal thing. Criminal? Yeah. Code enforcement, Jamie. Code enforcement's not going to make somebody have a tree leaning over. As you said, it's not even leaving on your property.

But could someone come out and look at it, please?

Sure. Which side of the house?

Which side of the house? Okay. Oh, you're talking about that lot beside you.

Yes.

So it's an open lot with no structure on it.

And in the past, the council had directions for the city not to clean that property because it was not developed. So this is a policy decision by the council. Are we going to start cleaning vacant, unimproved property that doesn't have structures on it or not? So that's what the problem is.

The problem is that we quit doing our job.

Now, ma'am, we're following council. We quit doing our job.

Oh, these properties were killed at one time. And the policy that you're speaking of, I never saw it.

There are policies that exist that have been there for a long time. I want to see them. And I need someone to come back. So this is something that you all can change as a council.

And I want to see a policy that says that we couldn't do it.

April's going to be fine.

I appreciate it. Because I have to recall this. Everything is overgrown now because we quit doing what we used to do. I believe Barney Johnson. You clean up properties, then we don't clean it.

I believe Barney Johnson was still public work director when that was decided. So that's several years ago. I don't recall that.

That was good. I know the city was much cleaner. People, they

And that's the public works issue as well, because we had enough staff to pass through the extra maintenance. Chief Danielle doesn't have that staff now.

Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. and these properties that we own.

And you and the council can make those decisions and make that money happen. Right. Okay.

Shirley, is this city-owned property or is this non-city-owned? This probably owned property. I thought it was city-owned at first. I thought it was an easement. So I don't know. Oh, thank you.

I think it's private property. Sure, Danny Lane is.

Yeah.

Anything you want to talk about? All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.