Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

to the gymnasium, and they'll have a setup over there, so there's no need to stand. I have a request for those sitting in the front seat, if you are presenting or anything, if you can move over to this side and leave us about five chairs available because we want whoever's, we don't know how many, but they can sit at least in those five chairs. We appreciate it. Stay here. Once again, if you can't find a seat in here, don't try to sit out there. No, that's another one. Yeah, after presentation. Last time, I'm just to make the suggestion for those that are standing, you're welcome to go to the gym unless you just want to see our faces. We're not that pretty. But if you want to, well, they are. I'm not. Okay. I know you don't want to see me. That's for sure. But just in case those standing in the back, if you don't want to stand the whole time, you're welcome to go to the gym. And they will be having recordings and things in that over there. The IT is set up. They do a great job here. Okay? Okay.

How you doing, Sylvia?

One of the reasons, and I think a staff will help you, is that we went for fire safety reasons. That's one of the reasons we didn't want people standing by the exit. So if it's at all possible and you can't squeeze in a seat there, please go on over to the gymnasium. We promise if we hear you, we'll take you on. But if you have a blue sheet that's filled out, please bring it now if it's completed. Okay. It's an unusual size meeting, so we're taking it a little bit longer. Okay.

It's not too bad, it's only seven minutes.

Staff are we ready? Okay. good evening everyone welcome to the city of paris planning commission meeting december 17 2025 as we get closer to the holidays this is the last meeting of the year and so we appreciate your attendance tonight we're probably going to move things a little bit differently tonight because we want to give everybody a chance to speak who's able to and so i'm going to go through a little bit different order tonight and i'll go through each stage as we get to each section okay the normal business will be starting with the call to order the roll call pledge of allegiance and presentation and then we're going to change a few things from there just to let you know okay so we're going to start with a roll call by our commission secretary commissioner lopez here commissioner jimenez here commissioner menace here vice chair sharply

Present.

Chair Hammond.

Here. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have a Pledge of Allegiance to be led by Commissioner Lopez.

Please stand for the pledge.

Make sure no one's blocking the exits, right? Okay. No one wants to leave here.

Okay.

We're going to go on to item four with presentation. I don't believe there's a presentation. So we move on to item, actually before consent calendar, we're going to move a few things around. We're going to have general public comment at this point. So if there's any one public comment not on a specific agenda item, is welcome to come forward at this time for public comment. I think she has one name.

Franco Pacheco.

Good evening, Commission. My name is Franco Pacheco. I would like to ask a question of the Commission. I sent an email earlier this week with some visual aids for my other public comment later tonight, and I'm asking permission if we can use the projectors for the residents, if we can do that.

Okay, I'm not sure what you, you're referring to any meeting or?

For today's meeting. I leave it listed in the email. And at the city council meetings, I was told we can get permission from the chair. And if they allow it, we can do it.

Yeah, I'm not sure the technical aspects. I'm going to leave it with them real quick.

We don't allow members of the public to give like PowerPoint presentations when they're just the PDF pictures that are in the email that I sent earlier this week. That's all it is.

If he has printouts, he can pass them around, but we're not going to display on the screen.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much. Anyone else for a general public comment that's not related to any of these items on the agenda? I don't know if they can hear me at the gym. I'm not sure if they can, so I haven't heard anything.

Okay.

We know you, but state your full name.

Planning Commission, hi. It's a pleasure to be here tonight with you once again, Lupe Gomez, a resident of the city of Paris. I wanted to take the opportunity to express that I think the Planning Commission should consider talking about marketing practices of the developers that come to you and present to you about developments that are being proposed to the city. especially those targeting the residents, and very much focus on text messaging, social media, mail, in regards to what they're proposing, what they're marketing online, and what is actually being proposed so that there is a sense of ethical marketing towards our residents here in the city of Paris. I will touch this a little later on an example that's coming up today. However, I really think that the Planning Commission should consider, and if it's not a Planning Commission issue or something that you can talk on, then it can be forwarded to the City Council. Thank you so much.

Thank you very much. Duly noted for staff. Anyone else? This is general comment, not about this, okay. Just state your full name since we don't have a, I don't think we have a blue sheet.

Can everybody hear me?

Yeah. State your full name for us and spell your last name.

Yes, sir. My full name is JC Franco. I am a president, excuse me, a resident of Paris. And I'm going to read a little excerpt out of the IE, the Inland Empire Community News. It's an article that was published within the last 16 months. Ana Carlos is a school teacher, mother, and homeowner. She's lived in Bloomington for 12 years. Carlos is also one of the co-founders of Concerned Neighbors of Bloomington, a local group who advocates for environmental justice. Carlos says since Howard received, Howard meaning Howard Industries, Industrial Partners, excuse me, received approval from the county to build 213 acre Bloomington project in 2022, people working for him have attempted to divide and intimidate residents into moving out and selling the land so workers could begin construction. I'm quoting here. For years now, neighbors have said that these real estate people and people who work for Howard would come and say, well, you're the only one holding this project back. You're the only neighbor that hasn't sold and imagine how your neighbors are going to feel when they find out that you're the one holding this project back, unquote. Carlos and concerned neighbors of Bloomington started sorting through campaign finance forms board members in an attempt to see if the dots were connected i think this is an exemplary example to look at not as a cautionary tale necessarily but as a as evidence for what we need to do to protect ourselves as residents and as a city for everybody here to ensure that this doesn't happen to our residents thank you thank you very much anyone else for the general public comments

I can't hear if they're over there, so I don't know if it's Jim. Okay, okay. We close the general public comment portion of it and move on to the consent calendar item. Number five, approval of planning commission minutes, December 3rd, 2025 meeting. Any corrections, deletions? Spelling changes?

Yeah, we have some corrections on it. There's some misspellings of last names.

throughout the document if you can just review it make those corrections and then we move forward okay nothing nothing okay okay i guess uh sylvia you got that right okay so unless you would the whole thing or just a certain page or just the whole throughout okay okay one or two Okay, at least that's minor. Okay, at this time, we open it up for public comment on the consent calendar and only on the consent calendar. If anyone in the public would like to public comment on the consent calendar is welcome to come forward now to the roster. Seeing none, we close the public comment and move for a motion with the corrections as duly noted. I'll make a motion. Moved by Commissioner Isaac.

I'll second.

Second by Gillian Jimenez.

Commissioner Lopez?

Yes.

Commissioner Jimenez? Yes. Commissioner Jimenez? Yes. Vice Chair Shively?

Yes.

Chair Hammond?

Yes.

With a vote of five to zero, this motion is approved.

Thank you very much. At this time, we move on to public hearing items. And I want to note, I'm going to ask first of the XY Trade Communications, any side visits or any ad hoc committee meetings that you want to disclose at this time.

Yes, I authored a paper pertaining to this project prior to my seat on the Planning Commission, so I will be recusing myself for this one.

Thank you. It's been duly noted.

I have attended some ad hoc meetings with the applicant, as well as I know the area fairly well and drive past it many times and

I attended multiple ad hoc committee meetings for this project.

I also attended several ad hocs, and I drive by the site daily at least once or twice, drive there to get here for our meetings as well, so I am very familiar with the site.

Yes, I've driven by it probably for the last 23 years, so I'm pretty familiar with this site, I can tell you. Thank you very much. At this time, and it's the only time I'm going to read this for the record, so it's a little long reading. I'm not going to reread this, but I just have to put it on the record. So I'm going to read the general plan amendment. I'm going to read the requested action, and then we'll move on from there. Oh, I don't see. Okay, I didn't see him, okay. Yeah, before I get started, there is an interpretation service, and I think, I'm looking for the, yeah. He's in there. Okay, he's in there, so if you need it, you can just raise your hand and just make us know, and if you need an interpreter, just let us know, and we'll be happy to accommodate you, okay? Okay, thank you. Okay, hold on, I have to do this. Item 6A, General Plan Amendment 24-05175. Specific Plan Amendment 22-05250 is also zone change 24-05176. Development Agreement Amendment 17-05136, tentative parcel maps 22-0521, and 24-05198, TPM 38811. Conditional use permits, 22-05005 and 23-05235. Development plan reviews, 22-05239, 22-05235, 22-00023. 22-00024, 22-00025, 23-00018, 24-0008, and 24-0009. Proposal to comprehensively update the harvest landing specific plan to be developed in two phases. In phase one consisting of a 428,507 square foot regional commercial shopping center on 46.49 acres. and 1,727,579 square feet of industrial and seven buildings. And phase two for industrial developments up 4,007,955 square feet. Since notification of the project developer is supportive of staff recommended alternative four to remove all allowances for industrial warehouse and distribution uses. but retain residential land use to accommodate up to 615 residential dwelling units. The regional shopping center and the 391,725 square foot parcel facility on 70 acres for last mile delivery of goods to customers consisting of the following applications. Number one, general plan amendment to change the land use destination of 16.2 acres north of Orange Avenue from light industrial and public to specific plan number two specific plan amendment to comprehensively amend the harvest landing specific plan and extend the specific plan boundaries by 16.2 acres north of orange avenue number three a zone change to rezone 5.54 acres in the northern area of the project site from light industrial a1 to agriculture to multiple business use, MBU, and to apply the MBU overlay to 10.66 acres currently developed with the Val Verde Elementary School. Before development agreement amendment for specific project improvements, community benefits, tentative parcel maps to create parcels for the commercial and parcel hub facility and consolidate parcels for future development. Conditioning you permits to allow two drive-through restaurants and a vehicle fueling station. And number seven, development plan reviews for site plans, building elevations for the commercial shopping center and the parcel hub facility. The applicant, HIP, Southern California Properties, LLC. Requested action. I promise you this, only one time reading this. Adopt resolution 25-30 recommending that the city council certify the environmental impact report. final EIR for the Harvest Landing Retail Center and Business Park and identify alternative four as the preferred document and preferred development option and adopt the mitigation monitoring and reporting program of fact findings of fact and statement of overriding considerations and adopt resolution 25-31 approving the comprehensive amendment to the Harvest Landing specific plan and related development applications for Alternative 4 project, including General Plan Amendment 24-05175, Specific Plan Amendment 22-05250, Zone Change 24-05176, Development Agreement Amendment 17-05136, Tentative Parcel Maps 22-05251, and 24-05198. Conditional use permits 22-05005 and 23-05235. And development plan reviews 22-05239 and 23-00018 to facilitate development of a commercial shopping center on 46.49 acres. and a parcel hub facility on 70 acres based on the findings contained herein and subject to the conditions of approval. And thank goodness I don't have to read that again. At this time, we're going to have the applicant bring forward a presentation, and I'm sure they do, and to come forward.

Mr. Chair, if I can. Mr. Chair, staff has a presentation for this project.

Staff first, okay. I change things around, that's what I get for changing things around. The usual, go back to the usual. Staff report first and then the applicant.

And I would like to introduce Albert Armijo, who's gonna be the project planner who's gonna be presenting.

the first slide ah good i did the right button the first slide shows is provides a brief background of the harvest landing project um as you can see there the existing excuse me envision the existing specific plan envisions 1860 dwelling units little over seven, eight and a half acres of commercial, almost 44 acres of recreational open space comprises the sports park community. This way, I'm sorry, comprised of a sports park, community rec center, Harvest Lake Park and Paseos. And there were three ad hoc committee meetings about this project stretching from stretching into into spring of this year. The General comments are noted on the slide. There's a desire of the Ad Hoc Committee for healthcare resources for separation of truck and passenger vehicle traffic where we can, public artwork. There are questions about the status, the potential future status of Val Verde Elementary School. Also about compatibility between onsite, non-residential, and offsite, excuse me, residential uses. The next slide depicts the location aerial map. The project site stretches generally southerly from Placentia Avenue to Nuevo, it's a far south boundary, and eastward from Frontage Road and the I-215 to Paris Boulevard. The Val Verde Elementary School is highlighted in red dashed in the northern portion of the site. The next slide presents a site photo of a view looking south from Indian Avenue toward the site. The next slide presents a view looking northeast across the site from Frontage Road. Now, this slide quickly, excuse me, depicts the existing land use map and the existing zoning map. As you can see in the graphic to your right, the darkened area is the existing zoning of specific plan. Now, this slide, oh, I'm sorry. March Air Board, excuse me, March Air Board, airport land use map is depicted here. I was skipping a slide here. It shows that the project site is located within zone C2, which places a restriction on residential development. The next slide indicates that the developer supports alternative four, which was read by the chair. The original project, again, is over 428,000 square feet of regional commercial shopping center on almost 47 acres, 1.7 million square feet of industrial use on buildings and multiple business use in buildings, and phase two development, which is north of Orange Avenue. Phase one occupies the area south of Orange Avenue. ALSO WOULD ACCOMMODATE UP TO MORE THAN FOUR MILLION SQUARE FEET OF MULTIPLE BUSINESS USES. THAT'S THE GRAPHIC TO YOUR LEFT. THE GRAPHIC TO YOUR RIGHT DEPICTS ALTERNATIVE FOUR. SINCE THE Notification of the project, the developer is supportive of this staff-recommended alternative. It would remove all allowances for industrial warehouses and distribution uses. That is removal of all industrial warehouse and distribution allowances. But will retain residential land use within the multicolored areas within phase two that could accommodate up to 615 residential units. It also would, the regional shopping center would remain on nearly 47 acres. And the parcel hub facility would remain to the west of the site within phase one on 70 acres. That would be for late mile delivery of goods to customers, no warehouses. Those goods, those late, generally the last mile delivery are via small vans. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE ALTERNATIVE FOR SITE PLAN AS STAFF RECOMMENDS. REMEMBER PHASE ONE IS SOUTH OF ORANGE AVENUE. PHASE TWO NORTH OF ORANGE AVENUE. PHASE ONE WOULD PROVIDE AGAIN FOR THE PARCEL HUB FOR LAST MILE DELIVERY OF GOODS. the commercial center and the water quality management plan it's almost 13 acres in size and is really between the mbu or multiple business use area in the commercial center phase two uh multiple business use also uh on 50 a little over 50 acres including the 10.66 acres that are now occupied by val verde elementary school which is noted in kind of grayish color on the slide. Also the Harvest Landing Sports Park is noted in green on here in addition to the residential. The next slide presents the commercial component of alternative four within phase one south of Orange Avenue. North of the street roughly bisecting the site, 40% of it anyway, is Harvest Landing Way, The area to the right of that on your graphic, it depicts the WQMP area. It also depicts a large multi-tenant building area in the commercial portion of the site. There's also a corner plaza with seating features, water features, public artwork opportunity also at the corner of Orange and Paris Boulevard, Orange Avenue and Paris Boulevard. there are two drive-throughs and one retail building on that portion of the commercial that's north of Harvest, excuse me, Harvest Landing Way. South of Harvest Landing Way is a big box retail store and a 12-pump fueling station associated with it, also two retail and commercial pads that you see adjacent to the entryway and Paris Boulevard. This slide depicts the major A, as you can see in red on the key map right there, the largest building in the multi-tenant building. The colors are as you see. This slide shows the stores to the north of that, noted in red in your key. And this slide continues showing, depicting the stores all the way to Paris Boulevard within that building. This is a rendering of the commercial center that's proposed, depicting the stores, obviously, and this is a second rendering of that from the entryway on North Paris Boulevard into Harvest Landing Way. This graphic depicts the commercial corner plaza that I noted before at Orange Avenue and Paris Boulevard. It's intended to be, in particular, a gathering area for visitors to the site. There are several commercial retail uses that could go in here. There's seating, a water feature, enhanced landscaping and pave enhanced pavement also an opportunity for public art at that corner this is a rendering of that corner plaza you can see it's this is another rendering from the corner out toward the commercial the northerly commercial portion of the site This next slide depicts building elevations for the big box retail. That's again the large building on the southerly portion of the commercial area. This is another rendering of the big box retail. The WQMP area, as I mentioned, is almost 13 acres and is noted in dashed red outline on the key map on the graphic. This area would serve as water quality management, also have a pedestrian walking path roughly around the perimeter of the site, and it would be maintained by the commercial developer. parcel hub facilities depicted on here on this graphic the location again is shown within the red boundary this is the um within phase one again as we've seen before for last mile delivery services it is not i'll just stress again it is not a warehouse This depicts a site plan of the parcel hub facility. You can see the structure outlined along with the parking areas, 391,000 plus square feet, 391,725 square feet. I should mention there's a setbacks parking and landscaping meet city requirements and are noted in the specific plan document. This slide depicts building elevations of the parcel hub facility. rendering of the parcel facility looking toward the southeast from the corner of barrett and orange avenue if you can see this landscaping that blocks a lot of the vision of visibility of this area now this is phase two of the alternative which is that again that portion north of orange avenue uh outlined in red dashed here. Little over 51 acres, no development is proposed at this time in phase two. It's comprised of, it's reserved, excuse me, for future multiple business use, residential, and the Harvest Landing Sports Park uses. In the dark blue is the location noted of Val Verde Elementary School, the 10.66 acres. This slide presents a text of the SB 330 housing element compliance. In compliance with Senate Bill 330, the project will retain the underlying residential land use designations as permitted uses in the specific plan. Also, the Harvest Landing specific plan site is identified in the City of Paris housing element as contributing 1,287 units toward the City's regional housing needs assessment. arena the proposed specific plan amendment would continue to accommodate units north of Orange Avenue that is in phase two in the multicolored area and You also utilize the city's arena surplus as needed Therefore the project would maintain consistency with the housing element of the city general plan This slide focuses to the development agreement, as you can see. I will list the community benefits of them. I would like to note all the community benefits that are noted here, just for record. The development agreement has a 10-year life. The applicant would provide below market rate rent to attract top tier retail tenants at an approximate value of $24 million. Requirement is to construct five public art installations in coordination with the historical society and city at an estimated value of $2.5 million. Park features around the WQMP would be required in the detention basin, including, I mentioned, I showed you that graphic, but pedestrian trails, exercise equipment, public art, pedestrian walkways, and community gathering areas at an estimated value of up to $9 million. Concurrently with construction of the commercial center with a parcel hub and at least three tenants shall be open and operational with the occupancy of the parcel hub. Construction of a one acre Harvest Landing, it should be larger, 12 acres? 16, I'm sorry, thank you. 16 acres Harvest Landing Sports Park is part of phase two. Also there's an offer to relocate the site for the Val Verde Elementary School. that is shown on your graphic. It is dashed red in the upper right corner. You can see a potential relocation site. There is also a requirement to coordinate a job fair for residents to gain employment from the project. This is also a requirement to maintain a lifetime partnership with the City regarding the Christmas toy drive. Now, the environmental determination for the project, a notice of availability for the EIR was sent to property owners and tenants within 1,000 feet of the perimeter of the property. Normally, the requirement's 300 feet, but we went out to 1,000. The developer went out to 1,000. The EIR analyses just shortly really determined that only project impacts that are significant and unavoidable pertain to four topics within four areas. or subtopics within four topical areas, air quality, greenhouse gas, noise and transportation. All the other impacts were either less than significant or could be mitigated to a less than significant level. Now, because they're significant and unavoidable impacts, should the city decide to certify that in EIR, there would need to be an adoption of a statement of already in considerations would be required to approve the project. So we should note too that since the issuance of the staff report last Friday, staff, planning staff has received well over 150 emails in support of the project and five in opposition. The comments in opposition do not raise any additional environmental concerns that haven't already been addressed in the EIR. So staff's recommendation is that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution 2530, which would recommend that the City Council certify the EIR for the Harvest Landing Project and identify Alternative 4 as a preferred development option, and adopt the Mitigation and Monitoring Program Statement of Overriding Considerations and Findings of Fact. Part of the recommendation is that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution 2531, which would approve the Comprehensive Amendment to the Harvest Landing Specific Plan and the Related Development Applications for Alternative IV Project, which the Chair read, General Plan Amendment, Specific Plan Amendment, Zone Change Development Plan Agreement Amendment, Tentative Parcel Maps, Condition Use Permits, and Development Plan Reviews, which would facilitate development of the Commercial Center of those Development Plan Reviews in 70 years, based on the findings contained herein and subject to the conditions of approval. And that concludes my presentation.

Thank you, sir. Any other staff would like to make a presentation or add to this?

Just real quickly, there should be some additional letters in support and in opposition that were submitted today, so that should be on your dais.

Mr. Chairman, the applicant also has a presentation.

Yeah, I was going to read into the record. I think you already mentioned it. We had a memorandum stating comment that is pertaining to Harvest Landing Plan, Item 6A. SUBJECT INTO THE STAFF REPORT ATTACHMENT TO CITY WEBSITE AS HE STATED 150 EMAILS AND LETTERS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECTS AND SEVEN LETTERS AND EMAILS IN OPPOSITION. SO THAT'S JUST FOR THE RECORD DATED SEPTEMBER 17, 2025. AND WE HAVE A LETTER IN OPPOSITION We'll go into the specifics, but from Franco, Inland Valley Alliance, and sent to Albert Armijo. And there's a lot of stuff here, so I'm not going to read everything, but there are letters in support as well that we received, dated December 16, 2025. A letter from EPD Solutions Incorporation to Albert Armillo, and also Green Jobs and Clean Communities, that was all submitted at 15th of December, and EPD Solutions, December 17, 2025, and Adams, Broadwell, Joseph, and Cardoso, attorneys at law, was also submitted. So we do have these on file. I believe the city has... These as well. So everyone has a record of it. I'm just doing it publicly so you know there's no backroom deals. Okay. I think that was it. That's all I have up here. And at this time, if the applicant, I think I'm right this time, right? Applicant has a presentation, please come forward and state your name and spell your last name for us.

I'm going to step out real quick. I'll be right back. Good evening, commissioners. My name's Tim Howard. Last name is spelled H-O-W-A-R-D. Albert, thanks for the technical presentation. I'm going to follow on here and kind of personify this and give you a perhaps a more human, less technical perspective. So again, thank you all. Shall I wait for the chairman or do we don't listen to him?

We can proceed because we have a quorum.

okay thank you thank you commissioner again um this is a presentation that that we that we prepared to give it a more uh humanized flair and less technical um i'm going to speak to to five themes that revolve around the the harvest landing project this evening and then do a brief summary This project represents a collaborative effort that dates back six years. We have been engaged with the community since for the last six years. As part of that outreach and collaboration, we've listened to many different stakeholders. Most recently, the city council passed their moratorium. putting a stop to warehouses we embrace that that move by council and have withdrawn any kind of warehouse facility from harvest landing as previously mentioned we had several ad hoc meetings with with with the planning commission and we received 10 suggestions and have incorporated all 10 of them. We've had a great interaction with a historical society who's helped us with our public art program. We have great input from them, and I'll detail that a little bit farther. The Paris Chamber of Commerce is one of the most active chambers of commerce in the region, and they've been very supportive of of our development. They've given us great advice and I expect that they will be a good partner for us as we reach out to the community on everything from employment fairs to the Christmas parades. Community surveys are a backbone for trying to understand what a community wants and needs. We engaged several companies to go out and knock on doors. We participated. in over 2,000 surveys with our neighbors and community members. And overwhelmingly, what people spoke about in Paris was a need for jobs here in our community and also new retail opportunities. Harvest Landing delivers on both of those fronts. Additionally, we've had community meetings that have been attended by several hundred people. We hosted dinners, lunch, breakfast. We listened to anyone who would come. And what we found was that we have a treasure trove of very engaged, great residents that care about their community and they're here tonight to make their voices heard. Continuing on that community and canvassing outreach, what you heard with regard to supporter cards was just The last couple of weeks, we have over 1,000 supporter cards for the project. We have petitions, both online and paper, and we've turned those in. And this project has garnered more support than anything I've seen in the last 15 years here in Paris.

Again, tonight we're asking that you adopt EIR Alternative 4.

That site plan includes no warehouses, 46.5 acres of retail and commercial space, a parcel hub, 615 housing units, a 16.5 acre sports park, and a 13 acre open space and park amenity. Let's just dive into the commercial here. Albert gave you a feel for the scale. Now I want to give you a feel for who's coming to town. We're very proud that we've been able to attract a health-conscious grocery store in Sprouts. We have a major sporting goods retailer in Dix. We have a large format national retailer, which Albert pointed out, in Sam's. The newest addition to our financial services and one that overwhelmingly is talked about by the community is Chase Bank. And they're excited to come and they're excited to participate with our Chamber of Commerce and actively participate in our community. Additionally, as we discovered through our outreach, Sit-down restaurants have been paramount. We have an absolute dearth of them. We're bringing three and perhaps four to town, represented by Panera, Olive Garden, Buffalo Wild Wings. The major retailers include Marshalls, Carter's, Hobby Lobby, Famous Footwear, and Petco. As albert pointed out that's here's the site plan, but this is where these folks are going to locate it really gives you a perspective of these guys are going to be here and then it also. The most one of the I think one of the things i'm most proud of is our is our Plaza area in that area, we will cater to locally owned businesses. We'll try to bring some community entertainment to town and a more higher end steak or some kind of fine dining to town. We're talking to a few. We hope to be able to announce that here shortly after the new year. These are more personalized renderings of the project. I think they depict a nice kind of ranch style, although it's contemporary. This is the plaza. You can see it's small scale. We try to get people out of the car and walking in our community. This is going to be the hallmark for this, and we sorely need this in Paris. Again, an overhead shot. Plaza. Plaza Plaza this is where we we in conjunction with our retail partners will hard will hold special events so this depicts it because it's Christmas time I decided what we would we would depict a tree lighting ceremony everybody in Southern California goes to one Paris needs one we're going to provide it so At Halloween, it may be face painting. I'm not sure, but right now, it's contemporaneous to talk about the holidays, and a tree lighting ceremony just fits right in. It'll be housed here. There'll be plenty of parking, great lighting, great opportunities to eat and enjoy the holidays here in Paris. Again, Sam's Club from Paris Boulevard, the fueling station, Now switching gears, let's talk about how we brand a development. Part and parcel of this is our Art in Public Places program. I've done this elsewhere and it's been successful. The Historical Society toured with me and has given us the following themes for the Art in Public Places. Ranching and farming, mining, railroads, our pioneer past, as well as our Latino heritage and a tribute to Clarence Muse. And we have several of the historical society here this evening if you want to learn more about Clarence. Here's an overall site plan of the project with the pylons indicated, the locations for the art and public places. And again, what we're trying to do is bring people to Paris set a tone for Paris with art and public places, make it inviting, create an upscale environment that we can all be proud of. The parcel hub. As Albert mentioned, a parcel hub is a facility that accommodates that next day package delivery. We are fortunate enough to have landed what I think is America's premier parcel delivery company in FedEx. These are career type jobs. This facility will house over 800 people that will work here and the majority of whom stay with the company. And I have a number of people from FedEx here tonight And the least tenured person is eight years, and the most tenured person is 32. So if you start to go to work at a place and you stay, it's a good indication of that's a good company. It's a Fortune 20 company. It's going to be a big economic driver for the community. It's going to attract the kind of businesses that we deserve in Paris. Also, in the picture, For those of you who are last-minute people and need to get grandma's gift out or an important document, there'll be a ship station right there that you can go to for personal use. So FedEx is embracing Paris, and they will be one of our finest, finest business community participants, as well as a major, major employer in the city.

Of course, we'll be adopting all of the green features.

The parcel delivery trucks, the little guys, are transitioning to electric. We'll have to have all of the support to facilitate those trucks as they become more and more commercially available. I see them here in Paris all the time, so we're on the leading edge. The facility will accommodate that and grow with that need. Again, here's a street view from the street. What we're trying to do is soften the look. No one wants to see the parcel hub. It's like Santa's workshop. We don't know what's going on in there other than the packages get delivered the next day. Here's a... depiction of the truck route the trucks will not be in the residential or the commercial areas we have a dedicated truck route frontage Road is Paris's truck route we are going to add two lanes to it a center median and several signals along the way to make sure that that that FedEx is has the most efficient facility possible You'll also see that there's a long private driveway. One of my pet peeves is trucks on public streets, so we're gonna have a 1,450 foot long driveway so that they can queue off of there. They won't be on the public streets and they won't impact our travel. New housing. As Albert mentioned, we're proposing 615 new housing units on 50 acres. This is by right. What does that mean? It means that we can start on it as soon as the infrastructure is there to accommodate it. We have several developers of this type of product that have expressed interest, and my intention here is to solicit, just as we have in the past, community members to participate in a blue ribbon commission to provide their input as to who and what we build there. The other theme that I'm trying to make sure that we're sensitive to is getting people out of their house and walking. There'll be a paseo that connects the houses to the retail center. Part and parcel of that paseo is the art in public places and places to rest and visit. These are just some perspective as to what type of impact the housing will have. Additionally, we have a commitment to open space and athletic fields. I don't know if everybody in the room knows this, but Paris has an incredible asset, a jewel if you will, in our youth soccer programs. We have joined forces with La Academia, who has over 2,000 families that participate in soccer here in the city. You know what we don't have? We don't have dedicated fields for them. You know what they have to do? They have to go to Moreno Valley and rent fields. They participate. from north to south end of the town we need something here in town i'm committed to building a facility for them where they can host the the tournaments these tournaments become very very large they become regional they're economic drivers for our shopping center as well as perhaps hotels in the future as albert mentioned we we have our our detention basin that I'm going to convert to an asset for our retail use. It'll have a mile track around it for walking dogs, chasing kids, working out. I've got some pictures here. Here's an overview. You can see some art out there, some seating areas, and then I'm sure all the commissioners are up for this. This is where we start our mile run. And so there are exercise stations. You run 200 yards, you get to the pull-up station. You run another 200 yards, and you're at the push-up station. These are the kind of things that will make Paris interesting and will really engage the community into the Harvest Landing project. soccer fields we'll have we'll have again 16 and a half acres of of those um we are we are trying to determine how many will be turf how many will be grass but i'll leave that to the experts at law academia they've been great partners for us and it's they've been a pleasure to work with they've they've welcomed me into their into their program and i'm excited as heck to to work with those people in the future we have great kids here Just let me summarize the community benefits. Albert did a yeoman's job, but I wanted to really put some numbers to what our economic studies indicated. Over the course of construction of this project, there will be over 6,000 construction jobs. My union partners who will be building this have never had an opportunity to stay close to home. There are over 600 members of the Carpenters that live here in Paris. What a great opportunity for them to not have to drive to Los Angeles and spend four hours a day in the car. In terms of permanent employment between the retail and the business park, as it builds out, there'll be over 5,000 jobs created. Remember at the first beginning I told you that jobs, jobs, jobs? Here they are. We will invest over $90 million in infrastructure for the project. That includes sewers, storm drain, new water lines, We also have a water well that we are venturing with the EMWD on to provide water for 10,000 homes in South Paris. Harvest Landing has some real assets to it. We'll spend $9 million on the exercise 13-acre open space. And once this thing gets gets built and starts generating revenue The economists are estimating three to five million dollars in annual revenue From this from this development given our state of affairs We need to work on the income side at the city and this will play a big part towards moving the ball forward on that The public art, I keep drumming on that, but I love it, and we have great, great relations with the Historical Society. We're committed to spending two and a half million dollars on that. Again, we'll have our 78 acres of open space. Included in that is our soccer fields, our exercise area, the basin, and then just general landscaping over the entire park. Within that, I sat and I asked our landscape architect, how many trees do I have to acquire? 2,355. I didn't count them, but we have people that tell me that's what we're looking at, over 2,000 new trees. terms of stores 21 new stores the sit-down dining up options that we have in the commercial center there will be no drive-through Sam's may have one but I'm not a big fan and I listen to our community and again the last benefit that I want to really hit home is on is our sports park and our soccer fields. These are our future. We need to move this project forward with an adoption of alternative four. Thanks very much. My entire team is here this evening to answer questions, and I'm available as well. Albert, yeoman's job. Thank you. It's been a long haul.

Thank you very much for that presentation, sir. We appreciate it. And thank you also to the city staff for that presentation. And now at this time, we've switched things around. That's why I was getting confused earlier. We're going to allow public comment before we get into discussion. We're going to public comment because you've been very patient. And so we want to get through that. And I think we have do we have all the blue sheets? Anyone have any filled out blue sheets that you still have and not submitted?

OK.

Okay, we're going to, we're not, anyone else? With a blue sheet? You don't have to have it. Just in case, we'd like to have it for the record. A blue sheet. Okay, obviously we're not going to say two things. We're not going to have three minutes speak. I guess you already know that. If you would like to have a person represent you and speak on your behalf, you're welcome to do that because not everybody wants to speak at the podium. Does anybody in there want that as a group or everyone wants to speak on their own?

Such a conforming group, I can see.

We're not going to have three minutes. I think I've just talked to the group, and we're going to talk about, at the very least, a minute, 20 seconds. We're going to call five people up at a time. That's why I left these five chairs available. So come quickly up to the front. And I don't know if there's anyone in the gym. I have no way of knowing. But anyway, if our secretary would do that. And please come quickly, because we want you to come up to the podium and get through.

jc pacheco jc franco if you're in the room please come up okay we'll keep going if we don't i have jc pacheco franco or jc pacheco oh i'm sorry franco

And I have two.

Two JC Franco. Okay. Okay.

Okay, I missed the first two, the other names, first two names.

Guadalupe Gomez.

Lupe Gomez, are you in the room? Oh, come up, yeah.

Come up to the seat. Everyone come up, everyone come forward.

We've got five chairs here for you.

Please come quickly.

Right up to the front over here, these chairs. I see three out of four people, so I guess the other two. Oh, you're right. Okay. Four out of the five. Okay. Do we have a next person in line?

Aurelio Correa.

What if they're next to her? I have no way of knowing. If they're... Oh, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Commissioner Hammond, if I can always remind our guests that we need to keep that back door area clear for emergency purposes. So if you guys can move away from the door.

I don't know if there's any sheriff or anyone standing, but I'm assuming there isn't. Okay.

What did we say, one minute, 20?

One minute, 20 seconds, and this is for IT so they can get ready.

Let's see if she's able to.

Yeah, 120. That's quick. I'm not a tech guru, so I wouldn't know what to do. Okay, keep going. There's 20 more seconds. Okay. Okay, we want to start at 120, guys.

Sorry. IT, can you help me with this?

Did the time start, or are we restarting here?

We're restarting. We restarted, but it went to 2. Yeah, 1.20. 1.20. You're getting there.

Yeah.

I'll start there. OK. Yeah, I'll bet you will.

IT, if you can hear us, if you can come up and assist our assistant with the time.

OK, now. Hold on. Let's restart it for him.

Yeah, I have no idea how to do it.

I would just add the six seconds, if you don't mind.

Oh, that's fine.

Okay.

Yeah, right? We're going to do it.

Can we just do one minute and 30 seconds just for ease of allowing people to speak? Yeah, that's fine.

1.30 is fine. Uh-huh.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Okay. 120. Okay. Good evening. Again, my name is JC Franco, but for those in Spanish, me llamo Juan Carlos Franco. I support responsible economic development of Paris i'm not here to oppose growth or jobs in fact I really. embrace it i'm here to support development that is transparent and consistent with the direction, the city has recently taken. harvest landing is presented tonight as a reduced impact project with a one high cube warehouse instead of the seven analyzed in the draft er are some months ago. I appreciate that change. But unless the entitlements are written carefully, nothing in the specific plan prevents additional high cube warehouses or any other kind of warehouses, as a matter of fact. from being added later through future phases that are not consistent or a part of this memorandum once it expires. The city adopted a warehouse memorandum to pause, study cumulative impacts, and protect public health. It would be inconsistent with that intent to approve a plan that still allows large warehouse or parcel hubs, whatever it's called, build out to return by right in the future. High-Q warehouses should be subject to conditional use permits so any future proposal receives a public review in site-specific conditions. Tonight, a high-key warehouse square footage should be capped at what's proposed today, unless the future-specific plan amendment or secret review... Oh, okay.

We're going to give you six seconds. It's okay. Okay. If you need ten more, we'll... Make it quick.

Para los que hablan español, me llamo Juan Carlos. No se dejen vencer con estas gentes que están abusando de nosotros, de nuestro pueblo, abusándonos, que nos van a prometer las cosas que no tenemos ahorita. No se dejan vencer.

Okay, thank you. There you go, you got it.

Excuse me, chair.

Who's talking? It's interpreted. Huh? Is he in there?

Real quickly, just for clarification, my understanding is the system will only allow increments of 30 seconds, so we should leave it at a minute 30.

What a look there, Gomez.

Good evening, commissioners. I want to be very clear. What we are hearing tonight are promises not conditions. Excuse me, Mr.

Chair, if we can set the time.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Take your time.

It's an odd time. That's where we're kind of getting. Okay.

Sylvia, would it be easier for you to do 1.30 or 1.20?

It will be, let's see.

Two seconds.

Let me see if I can do this because it's 1.30. Go.

We are being asked to approve an industrial phase now with housing promise later. In phase two, without designs, without approvals, and without guarantees. We've seen this before. The industrial phase gets approved, the housing phase never comes. Last mile delivery is still an industrial use. It still means traffic, pollution, and noise, just in smaller trucks. And Paris does not need a parcel hub. We already have vacant and underused warehouses spaced throughout the city. Tonight, we also heard promises for about a toy drive and using well water for housing in South Paris. Those ideas may sound nice, but they are not in the proposal, not conditioned, and not enforceable. Planning decisions should be based on what is written, not what is said at the podium. If housing is truly part of the vision, then it should be approved, phased, and guaranteed now, not later. Please slow this down. Require real commitments and put Paris residents first. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Next speaker.

Julio Reyes.

Good evening, honorable commissioners. Hold a second. We want to make sure you have a.

Three minutes. I'll take it. My name is Julio Reyes.

I know you would. We're not used to this time. We're used to three minutes, but this is an odd time, so yeah.

Okay, go. My name is Julio Reyes. I'm the program director for La Academia Kicks FC and a local college soccer coach at Mount San Jacinto College. I grew up here in Paris, so I'm here tonight to speak in support of the Harvest Landing project and what it can bring to our community. Harvest Landing will bring things to our city our city has needed for a long time, shopping, restaurants, and economic growth. But just as important, it includes a sports complex that can really impact our youth. Kix FC and Inner City Soccer League serves over 2,000 families, most of them right here in Paris. Every year, one of our biggest challenges is finding enough space field, safe fields for our kids. As you know, in the past our community had to come together just to protect a single field. That's why the opportunity to add four soccer fields is such a big deal for our families. These fields aren't just about soccer. They help the kids stay active off the streets and surrounded by positive mentors and teammates. We already work hard to guide our players towards college and long-term success, and having more field space allows us to reach even more families. We've been working with Harvest Landing for a while on the soccer field and talking about ways to create more opportunities beyond just sports. I appreciate how open they've been. They have helped us create a new partnership with Moreno Valley College. where we share the same values around education, opportunity, and community, and are helping connect athletics and academics. We will be using their facilities until this project is developed. I understand every project has concerns, but from our- Thank you very much.

Thank you very much. We want to get everyone in that's possible. That's the only reason we're doing this. Next. She's doing quite a job, Sylvia.

Michael Torres.

Michael Torres. We're going to try to start you at 1.30. Hold a second. Doing a great job, Sylvia. Go.

I don't have a chat GPT speech to give, but I come to you guys as a resident. I've been here for over 25 years serving my community, being a mentor, a coach, a parent, and a resident, like I said. I asked you guys recommend this project because it'll help our youth have a safe space to practice facilities that we need that we don't have right now. I mean, we have about 30 teams that we currently coach and there's one field for us to share. So I asked that you guys consider this to keep our boys off the street and continue to sharpen their skills and stay safe. Thank you.

Thank you very much, Tim.

Aurelio Correa?

Someone, you need to lower the microphone? Okay, okay. One quick second. I'm gonna make sure you get your, there you go. It's not like a talk show, right?

Good evening, Commission. I'd like to say thank you for hearing us out. I 100% back the Harvest Landing program that they're presenting to the city. I've been a resident of the city for almost 40 years. And what they're proposing is something that as a sports Being involved in sports is something that we look forward to, and we're in need of fields. And like Julio and Coach Mike said, it helps us with the youth, keeping them out of the streets, helps them stay active. And the retail, housing, as we all know, we need it. So I completely support the Harvest Landing Program, and I hope you guys are able to approve everything. Thanks again.

Thank you very much, sir.

Chris Simons.

Since they're in the seats, if you could just kind of come up front, and you can probably stand over there. So the next five, four names. Yeah, I don't know where they were.

Katie McLaden.

There you go.

Andrew Graft.

Come on up front. Quickly, quickly.

Jerry Sepulveda. Chuck . Yes, please. Thank you.

Go, go, go, go. Go ahead. I'm going to give you a time, yeah.

Oh, OK. Good evening, everyone. I'm coming forward today as a member of the community and an advocate for the Harvest Landing Project. Being a resident of Paris for the past seven years, I couldn't count on a number of hands. Me and my family have had to go out of town seeking parks, recreational centers, or restaurants to sit down and eat at. I stand firmly in the belief that the Harvest Landing project is the thing we need in order to push the Paris community into a better future. Things like the parks, restaurants, and job opportunities provide incentives for people to come and visit the city, and the housing provide incentives to stay. This project has sparked hope within me for a brighter future for the community of Paris, and I hope this comes into fruition.

Thank you very much, sir.

Christina Simmons.

Katie or Christina?

Christina?

Come on.

Hello.

As a young resident... Quick second. We'll make sure you get your time.

Go ahead. Okay, go.

Go ahead.

Hello. As a young resident of Paris, I love art. I brought one of my art pieces to share with you. with you all. And I just want to say I'm so excited to see the beautiful public art pieces that will be brought to Paris by the Harvest Landing project. As always, thank you for your time.

Thank you very much.

Katie McClendon.

Now it's your turn.

I don't see the time. I'm just OK. Give me one second.

Go now.

All right. Good evening, honorable commissioners. I am here today in support of the Harvest Landing Project. As you guys know, Christmas is coming up, but also Kwanzaa is coming up. And one of the principles of Kwanzaa is Kumba, which literally translates to creativity. But the definition means to leave your community more beautiful and beneficial than when you found it. And I truly believe that the Harvest Landing Project is going to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than it is now. They have a number of benefits, but I want to talk about the things that you cannot measure. The joy of sitting down and dining with your family in the city that you live in. Too many times I've had to gas up my car and go to Merino Valley or to go to Menifee to have a sit-down meal with my family, and I don't want to continue to have to do that. I want public art. I want a beautiful space where we can come, where we can convene, where we can walk, where we can eat, where we can shop, where we don't have to take that money outside of Paris. And I truly believe that that's what Harvest Landing is bringing to us, and I'm in full support of this project. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Andre Graff?

Good evening, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Andrew Graff. I'm here on behalf of Californians Allied for Responsible Economy, an unincorporated association of Paris residents and local labor organizations that would be adversely affected by the project's environmental and public health impacts with this project. We urge this commission to remand the project to staff with the direction to revise and recirculate the EIR before bringing it back for a public hearing. As detailed in CARES comments submitted to the city today, the project before the commission is substantially different than what is analyzed in the draft EIR, and the FEIR fails to fulfill CEQA's mandate to disclose and mitigate the project's significant environmental and health impacts. The draft EIR analyzed a large warehouse and distribution center project with a few other uses. But given the city's adopted 45-day moratorium on warehouses, the applicant removed the warehouse project and replaced it with capacity for office research and development and business use parks. They also increased the parcel hub by approximately 70,000 square feet. These are major project changes that will have substantially different environmental and public health impacts than those were analyzed in the EIR and were not disclosed to the public until just now, including more severe transportation impacts from passenger vehicles. The city must revise and circulate a new DIR for public comment before the project is approved to comply with CEQA. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Jerry Sepulveda.

oh you don't need any time i'm sorry all right good evening chair good evening chair commissioners city staff and members of our community my name is jerry sapovita i'm speaking on behalf of the paris valley chamber of commerce the chamber is proud to support the harvest landing project and the benefits that it will bring to the city of paris this project represents smart forward-thinking development that prioritizes housing quality of life and recreation the elimination of warehouses used makes this project an even clearer win for our community and reflects paris's long-term vision for balanced growth harvest landing also includes large sports parks with recreational amenities that will serve our youth and families while strengthening our community pride in addition the project includes a parcel delivery hub that will operate primarily in electric vehicles, and finally provide local drop-off and pickup services, eliminating the need to travel to Ontario, if any of you guys are FedEx fans. Equally important, this project represents roughly more or less $90 million in private investment in the public infrastructure, improving the roads, sewer lines, everything, the utilities. THAT WOULD TAKE DECADES FOR THE CITY TO EVEN RAISE THAT TYPE OF MONEY. FOR THESE REASONS, THE PARIS VALLEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR A YES VOTE FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROJECT TO CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHAK GUSHKA.

Go for it. Hi, I'm Chuck Kutchko. I'm the director of real estate for Sprouts Farmer's Market and very proud to be here on behalf of the Harvest Landing retail component. We've been patiently waiting. I've been working over three years with the Howard folks to get healthy and organic natural food choices into your fair city. We've been pretty busy in Riverside. We've got a store, of course, down in Menifee and one in Moreno Valley a couple years ago. And we're excited to connect the dots along the 215 corridor and hopefully have a store here sooner than later. And We think it's a unique project and definitely going to be the probably crowning retail jewel for the city for years to come. So very excited to be part of it and hope that everybody can get past some of the other concerns and help us get in and service the community because that's what we do. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Ryan Sullivan.

Keep going. Keep going.

Albert Duarte. Maida Bria. Jason Baez.

Those sitting in the front, if you could move aside and change places. OK. Keep going. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Good evening, Chair, Councilmember, or Chamber, Commissioners, I'm sorry. My name's Albert Duarte, and I'm with Riverside San Bernadino Building Trades. Earlier this year, we came to an agreement. We renewed an agreement, a project labor agreement with the City of Paris. And you guys have always, five years before that, you guys initiated the agreement, which was a landmark for us. This, in another sense, is another landmark. The developer is looking at, it's an industry that we haven't been able to secure project labor agreements, especially in residential. It's the only unregulated portion of construction that we have been trying to pave our way and get regulated, put rules behind it. So this is a loud statement in construction. But, you know, with those soccer fields, a lot of our coaches are stuck on the freeway right now because they're working in L.A. It's important. We've been able to get nine agreements within the last year here. And now we're starting to keep our families, our coaches, our women working. So we're here in support of this project, and we just ask that you pass it. Thank you.

Thank you very much, sir.

Maida Brito? Is Maida Brito here? Okay.

Real quickly, if they could be at the gym, so if we can leave that card, and once we go through all the speakers, then we can call them again to go over to the council chambers.

Jason Bayes.

Jason Baez with Labor's International Union of North America, here to fully support the proposed amendments to the Harvest Landing Project. Howard Industrial Partners has not only went the farthest mile with this, but they are here tonight to fully accommodate the concerns, hopes, and revoiced requests of the people. And of course, they have agreed to utilize top dollar union construction, which will assure excellence, excellent wages, good benefits, and stellar career opportunities for new recruits. I heard a very interesting statistic yesterday from a veteran contractor. He said that for every dollar that's paid out to a non-union contractor who comes into a distant city, only a quarter stays in that city. But when developers utilize union construction companies, not only does the full dollar Stay in that city, but an additional 50 cents. In closing, I want to tell you guys, I've had numerous conversations with Tim from Howard Industrial. He is, by all means, a very good man. Him doing this doesn't surprise me in the least. Being here to witness it, I truly feel blessed. And I hope that you feel the same way, too. Thank you so much.

Thank you very much.

The next five, John Ware.

Ms. Taba B. Sylvia, if you can go back to the names that you called out the first time, they are sitting in the front. Myra Brito.

I'm waiting for Maida. Is she here? John?

Yes. We need to bring up the individuals who wanted to speak the first five that you just called last time. Is it Ryan Silva? The only one missing was Maida. Ryan Sullivan is sitting in the front waiting. And Nina is also waiting in the front.

Ryan Sullivan.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Ryan Sullivan. I'm with the commercial real estate firm CBRE. We've been engaged by Howard Industrial Partners to help the leasing of Harvest Landing. My firm's no stranger to the city of Paris. We do the work for Target, and we're instrumental in bringing them their first store to the city of Paris. We also did the lease-up of Paris, Plaza de Paris, the expansion, bringing Burlington, Ross, Ulta, Five Below, and others to the city. We're extremely excited about this project. We have a tremendous amount of interest. I just want to validate the tenants that are shown on that slide earlier today. We've secured interest from all those tenants. We are actively in leases. And as evidence of that, I've been asked to read a letter of support from the group Hobby Lobby into the record here. If I can get it up. Honorable members of the Paris Planning Commission and City Council, I'm writing to express my strong support for the proposed harvest landing development. This project is a strategic investment in the city of Paris' future and aligns with our shared goals of economic viability, community enrichment, and sustainable growth. The Harvest Landing Regional Shopping Center will deliver significant economic benefits, including job creation, increased tax revenue, and infrastructure updates. Beyond economic impact, this project will enhance the quality of life, providing convenient access to retail and general services to the Paris community. We look forward to being a part of the community. Sincerely, Scott Nelson.

Thank you very much.

Mr.

Chair, members of. Say your name for us.

I'm going to.

Oh, okay.

Mr. Chair, members of the Planning Commission, members of staff, my name's Nina Ray with RSI Group, representing Darden Restaurant Group, who's the parent company for Olive Garden. I'm here in support of the Harvest Lending Project. This is a very, very beautiful addition to City of Perry's well-designed deserved for the community here. I would be very pleased if we can get a favorable support today so we can bring our restaurant here in the city of Paris and the communities don't have to go to our restaurants in Menifee and other parts of the cities in Riverside County. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

now can i go to uh john wear it with emwd good evening chair members of the commission john worth water resources planning manager with eastern municipal water district uh emwd is only 43 built out and one of my key roles at emwd is making sure that we have the water supply to continue to support and facilitate development two key ways that we do that is through our brackish groundwater desalinization program, and then expanding our recycled water program. I want to express our sincere appreciation of staff, Brad Brophy, Ryan Traylor. We've been working with them over the last year and also with the developer to identify and call out two new well sites within this planned development to produce 1,300 acre feet of water each. For frame of reference, one acre foot is for three homes for a year. And in addition to that, they're expanding recycled water throughout the entire site to use for all of the landscape and the irrigation. There's about 300 acre feet that is going to be used there. So in total, there's about 3,500 acre feet of new or offset water supply that we are incorporating into the conditions of approval on this project. It's the first time working with the land use agencies and the entitlement process. And I just want to express our appreciation to both staff and also to the developer. So thank you.

Ms. Tava B.

Good evening, everybody. My name is Tava Bernal. I represent, no, I'm not here to represent, but I work for the school district. I know how important it is for our children to stay engaged, to be safe, to be beautiful in this community. This community is based on beautiful people. people not developers but we do need to support our harvest landing because it's going to create jobs it's going to create beautiful parks to have our kids safe to have them engaged to have them like resilient our children are our future and we need to invest in that future thank you very much thank you rodrigo m one more time

Who's that name, Sylvia? Rodrigo M. OK.

He might be. Oh, there. OK. Got any more? He's coming. It's the last one?

OK. OK. Can I get my three minutes? Go ahead.

Good evening, esteemed body of commissioners. My name is Rodrigo Mendoza. I'm here on behalf of our developer, and we want to say that on behalf of our community, we welcome any entity that brings a much needed upgrade to our slice of heaven. Harvest Landing, your offer of providing us with shops, restaurants, and grocery stores cannot be unwelcome news. The proposed state of the land is in total disarray and the proposed upgrade is a much needed improvement. Be warned, however, that the voice of negativity will be loud, but it should be ignored because said voice is based on a habit and not based on reality of the needs of our community. So Harvest Landing, we welcome you with open arms and give you our blessings. Thank you very much.

Thank you, sir.

Anna Orozco. Ana Orozco.

Buenas tardes, mi nombre es Ana Orozco. You need an interpreter? Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak in Spanish. I need to speak Spanish. It represents my community, Latino community.

You need an interpreter.

We have a person. The interpreter, and we'll have double the time.

Yes.

You get double the time, too. So two minutes and 60, what is it?

Three minutes.

That's my math for you, right? I didn't pass math, okay. Perfecto. There's a wireless mic underneath the laptop if you need it.

Go ahead.

There we go.

Good afternoon, President Hammond and commissioners.

My name is Ana Isabel Orozco.

And I reside in District 3.

I am here because I wish for more opportunities to be available directly to our community. Harvest landing can generate thousands of employments. Different levels of abilities. To which it will allow our residents to find work. Significant to where they live. is important for our young adults, for our working parents, and anybody who's looking for better stability without having to leave their homes. El proyecto también incluye asociaciones y organizaciones.

Projects also include associations and organizations.

Comunitarias destinadas a conectar.

And they can connect our residents with a new opportunity of employment.

Este enfoque local refleja un compromiso.

This local focus will reflect a compromise.

Real con Paris.

A real compromise in Paris.

La creación de empleo no se trata solo de trabajo. This creation of employment doesn't only mean work. También se trata de construir futuros.

It also means constructing futures.

strengthening families, and supporting local businesses. Respectfully, I urge you to recommend this project. Thank you, and I wanted to let you know that the Latin community is here. Thank you very much.

Is Maida Brito here? Freddy Chavez?

Good evening. My name is Freddy Chavez, and I'm coming here to ask you guys to approve approve this matter because it's a lot of future for youngsters and for them to start, they're eager to start working and me too. I'm a resident and I have to go out to buy things, you know, especially for the house. You go out of the city, you don't pay taxes here and we would like to pay tax here too. And we would like to have parks for the youngsters so they can stay away from trouble. And please approve it. Thank you.

Thank you very much, sir.

Guadalupe Carrillo. Rosina Correa. Yolanda Marquez. Antonio Avalos. And Aracely Avalos.

Okay.

Go ahead.

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and you will get three minutes

Good evening, President Hammond and commissioners. My name is Guadalupe Carrillo.

I reside in District 4.

I am here because I wish a better

I wish for a better life and a pleasant life for the families that live here in Paris.

Harvest Landing offers new options for restoration. Variety of stores. Spaces and open spaces.

Elements that are going to help connect a community, make it better connected and more vibrant. These accommodations are going to help with a better lifestyle.

This will help the need for longer commutes and will help families form better pastimes. La incorporación de miles de empleos locales permite a los residentes permanecer cerca de casa.

Incorporations of thousands of jobs are going to allow residents to remain closer to home.

Dándoles más tiempo para la familia, el descanso y el bienestar personal. Giving them more time for family, for rest and for well-being. Los proyectos que elevan la calidad de vida son esenciales para una ciudad en crecimiento como la nuestra.

Projects that raise the quality of life are essential for a community and for us. For these reasons, I recommend that you recommend, I urge you to recommend these projects for the municipal project.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Rosina Correa.

One more time. Where?

Rosina Correa.

Okay. Oh.

Yolanda Marquez.

I wonder if they're in any other building. I don't know.

I was informed that there was three people in the gym, so we can just wait and then...

Okay.

Call the next person? Yeah. Arturo Avalos? Arturo Avalos? Araceli Avalos? Araceli Avalos.

Did you submit one of these blue slips? But did you submit a blue slip to her? No, no, no. Do you have one? Okay. Did you have one in front of you? A slip?

Violeta Aguirre.

If you filled it out, just hand it. I'm sorry. Hand it to... Oh, I didn't tell, oh. Okay. I'm sorry, go ahead, Sylvia.

Violeta Aguirre. Oh, here.

Oh, there you are.

GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. MY NAME IS VIOLETTA AGUILAR-WYRICK, AND I WAS PART OF THE INITIAL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT TOOK PLACE BACK IN 2021. OUR TEAM WENT OUT DOOR TO DOOR. We knocked on doors, made phone calls, went out into the community, talked to people. We collected over 1,800 surveys to really determine and really pick our community's brain as to what they wanted to see. And the site plan that you have in front of you really is a true representation of what the community wanted. Over 65 of the 1,800 surveys that we collected were from in-person conversations. So we really did a very intentional effort to make sure that we were talking to the community. And since then, we have continued to work very closely with our development team, with Howard Industrial Partners as for development, with our developer, commercial developer, Vanessa Delgado. as well with this with our team with CBRE to ensure that the commercial uses are truly reflective of our what our community wanted and they wanted to see in our community so please we urge you to support this is really important there has been a very very intentional effort to make sure that our community is being heard and represented in this project thank you thank you very much

I want to apologize to her. Her name is Violeta Aguilar. Thank you. Vanessa Delgado.

Good evening, Planning Commission. This has been a long night, but I still wanted to introduce myself. Vanessa Delgado, I'm the owner of Azure Development, and I am the developer of the shopping center component. I am the only Latina-owned development company in California, and so I want to tell you that because this project represents an opportunity for a lot of small businesses. And I've built three million square feet in the southwest of retail, but this project is going to be kind of the crown jewel of it. I have never been able to obtain this caliber of tenants, and it's because Howard is contributing the land so that we can make these deals. I very selfishly urge you to support the project so we can keep moving forward. I recognize there are concerns, but I will do everything I can to make sure this commercial component is successful. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Nanette Plascencia. Heido Calverha. Ana Carlos.

Yeah, if your name was called, please come up quickly. Please come up to the front.

Nanette Plascencia. Sorry.

Sorry.

Good evening commissioners tonight's decision is about more than just a rezone proposal It's about the future direction of the city of Paris. We have heard the concerns about pollution traffic noise and the strain of the warehouses Already placed on our neighborhoods You have heard how this zoning change benefits wealthy developers, not the families who live here every day. And you know that once this land is industrialized, we can never take it back. These projects promise jobs, but the future of these warehouses coming from them are low wage, unstable, non-union, and increasingly automated, while the long-term environment and infrastructure costs fall on us, not the developer. Howard Industries, bought this land fully aware of its zoning. Developers, including Howard Industries, purchased property with full understanding of its designated use. Altering that zoning for private advantage undermines the city's planning framework and sets a precedent that could erode the stability of future land use decisions. Approving this request, Now sends a message that powerful developers can shape our general plan to fit their profits instead of the city shaping.

Thank you very much. And after that, Anna Carlos.

Hello, Planning Commission. I'm here on behalf of Parasamers in Action. I'm Jairo Carbajal. We're in opposition of this project as this developer has not been transparent with the rest of the project. It's not Oh, it's not a parcel hub. It's just a warehouse under a different name. It's disappointing to see how much is happening in our city. Our city is growing in the right way now, and this project would just turn us back to where we started maybe two years ago already. I do hope you guys really think this one out and recommend not to approve this project. to the council because it is going to go to council regardless if you pass it or not because you know how developers love to appeal stuff in the city of Paris. this project is actually a previous speaker actually did a rendering of his name is JC Franco for the comparison of this project he architect he put the target warehouse from the beginning from the MBU on Walmart to the end of orange that's the whole target warehouse fits on that so just to put in perspective on how big this project is gonna be whether it's a parcel hub, it's a waste of space that we could be using for better, you know, for our community. And unfortunately, it's not a community benefit with the original zoning. Thank you very much.

Anna Carlos.

Good evening Council, I come to you from bloomington neighboring town and there in bloomington Howard is not a good guy with us, he proposed hundreds of acres of. three million plus square foot warehouses. He tore down our residential homes with basically promises of this giant industrial park going up. Our lots, our homes, our homes were demolished and now just sit there empty lots just like his empty promises. He proposed this, like I said, in a residential neighborhood with an equestrian park, a baseball park, three schools neighboring the whole project. And he basically lied to neighbors, turned neighbors against each other with tactics of everyone sold except for you, you're the only one left. And basically, after a lot of community input, residents not wanting this project, it still went through. And there's nothing, all his promises are just nothing. There's nothing there in Bloomington except for empty lots. We're still waiting, nothing's coming up. Also, beware of phase two. There's nothing on the EIR, draft EIR that.

Thank you very much.

Tanya Gonzalez.

My name is Tania Gonzalez. I'm a community organizer with the People's Collective for Environmental Justice and I work with community in Bloomington. I'm also here to tell you the story, you know, Bloomington and Peasage has a history with Howard. We had to sue him over the project that Anna just mentioned because he came in with empty promises and he came in with a hostile attitude with community. He literally chained people inside their home He then tried to tear down the house of these people with the kids still in the house. If it weren't for their dad to cross his truck on the machine, he would have torn down the house with kids in there. He didn't care. He then came over with the sheriff and tried to intimidate the people living in that house. So I'm just here to tell you to be careful who you are going into contract with because he's not a nice man. I also want to let you know that changing the name from a warehouse to a parcel hub does not change the impact that it's going to have on community. And also just to be clear to the people that are here that are asking for you to pass this project, I don't blame you. Times are tough. We all need money. We all want these benefits. Why is it that we need to have a warehouse to have basic things like a park and stores? We have to make a conscious choice and think critically of the deals they give us. I blame the developer for putting neighbors against neighbors and using people's struggles against themselves.

Thank you very much.

Andrea Vidari. Ana Gonzalez. Tatiana Flores.

Ready? Yeah. Hi, everybody. My name is Andrea Vidaurre. I'm with the People's Collective for Environmental Justice. We were one of the organizations that had to sue the county of San Bernardino and Tim Howard's company in Bloomington in order to protect people from a proposed warehouse project in a residential neighborhood. which coincidentally also tried to move an elementary school. We went in court because the environmental analysis was insufficient. We're happy to send any and all documents and comments so you can take that into account for your decision. I saw firsthand the way Howard conducted himself in the community of Bloomington. Looks really similar to here, lots of smoke and mirrors, lots of promises, lots of fancy words like state-of-the-art building, state-of-the-art warehouse, etc., But the facts are that the project in Bloomington has not been built. The school district had to pass a bond for taxpayers to help with the relocation of Zimmerman Elementary. And even with that, there is no answer what's going to happen to the school. And ultimately, a huge legacy of harm and trauma in Bloomington. A simple Google search will show you tons of articles about what happened there under Howard Industrial Partners. So ask yourselves, what are you signing away? What does it mean to give someone open range in phase two? What will you do when the promises cannot be kept and then you're stuck dealing with it? Are you going to pass a tax on your residents too? I share this because this body can continue to negotiate what stops you from just bringing in the commercial development only. A parcel hub is just a delivery station warehouse. You could go forward, get all the commercial, or you can delay all the benefits of the commercial because you're going to get stuck on the warehouse issue.

Thank you very much.

Ana Gonzalez.

Hello, good evening. Ana Gonzalez with the Center for Community Action and Environmental Justice. We want to recognize that this project places the Planning Commission in a difficult position tonight. We want to also acknowledge the voices of community members who are in favor and opposed of this project. We are aware of the developer's past reputation. So far it appears that there is an effort to improve practices and be responsible to not repeat past mistakes. We believe growth should always allow room for accountability and improvement only when paired with clear expectations and enforceable commitments. This project is not perfect. Community members have clearly expressed the need for more amenities, more housing, and stronger protections for the health and quality of life. We believe Harvest Landing has the potential to do more and go further, including stronger carbon capturing tree requirements, meaningful electrification commitments, and a clear written and enforceable plan for the housing. The Planning Commission has the authority to make recommendations and hold the developer accountable so that community benefits are not just aspirational. We advocate for projects that create walkable communities with access to housing services and open space. Harvest Landing has that potential, but we believe it is not quite ready in its current form. At the end, you have a responsibility to your constituents. Our role is to offer recommendations. We urge you to evaluate this project and create intentional and forcible solutions that truly mitigate the impacts. We thank you for this opportunity and consideration.

Thank you very much.

Good evening. My name is Evelyn Barum. I am a paraprofessional at Val Verde Elementary School, and I am concerned this school is part of phase two, meaning the hubs will be in place before the school is relocated. This is concerning because the truck route would run directly behind the school. Val Verde Elementary School serves TK to sixth grade students and has one of the largest special education programs in the district. Given the age and needs of our students, this situation raises safety concerns. A clear, detailed plan for Volverde Elementary School should be prioritized. Yet at this time, there appears to be no transparent plan in place. I strongly urge the commission to take this into account before approving anything.

Thank you very much.

Tatiana Flores.

Hello, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. While I do think that the project has a lot of development that would be nice, you know, it does sound great to have retail, it does sound great to have soccer fields and everything, it just feels like the residents of Paris and surrounding areas, including Moreno Valley and Mead Valley, where I'm from is Moreno Valley, We seem to have to constantly sacrifice our health for the benefits that come with projects and other proposed projects like this. For example, Calco Commerce that was approved recently in Mead Valley, we see that these developers propose these warehouses with a park, with this, with that. And just to echo what Andrea said earlier, why can't we have these benefits without these warehouses or parcel hubs that are being... set in place we see that at the november 18 city council meeting mayor pro tem and council members shared their reasonings for supporting a 45-day warehouse moratorium some of them including the over saturation with warehouses and that there's risk and threats to public health and that residents have been consistently asking the city and city council to take action yet we are here talking about a project that does have its benefits right but we seem to be ignoring this negativity and I guess the concerns that are not being brought up because it's a different phase. So what is going to happen with Valverde? What's going to happen with all of phase two?

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Nina Ray, Maricela Martinez, and Nick Gambleton.

I'm the Olive Garden representative that had spoken already. Thank you.

Maricela Martinez.

I need an interpreter, please.

Coming.

And you have three minutes if you choose to use it.

Thank you.

I just want to ask, how was all this land obtained?

I had two and I sold one. I have one off of Harley Knox in Nevada. My taxes went up from $1,500 to almost $5,000. They told me that my land was worth $400,000.

I told them, give me the $400,000 and I have no problems.

Yo compre por $57,000.

I bought for $57,000.

Porque yo sabía que yo no podía pagar por uno de $400,000.

Because I knew I could not pay for one that was $400,000.

Enseguida me llegaron ofertas y desgraciadamente no entendí bien porque no sé bien el inglés.

Then after I received offers and honestly I didn't quite understand it because I don't understand English that well.

Les firmé y me querían vender por más de $300,000 y a mí solo me iban a pagar.

I signed and they wanted to sell for over $300,000 and they just wanted to pay me the taxes. It was just a contract for six months. I let that pass.

I let that pass and when I saw that they did that to me, after that I spoke to the county The county assessor and so they went back and returned my taxes back to Yo no quisiera a $1,000.

To $1,000.

En vez de los $4,000 y $5,000 que me querían cobrar.

Instead of the $4,000 and $5,000 that they wanted to charge.

I just want to ask a question. Is this related to this particular? Yeah. No.

Okay. Está relacionado esto a esto. Yo lo único que quiero decir es que en vez del parque, ¿por qué no hacen una escuela vocacional para la gente pobre?

The only thing I want to say is instead of the park, why don't they construct a vocational school for people of low income?

Que sea gratis.

One that's free. It seems like I went to Arizona and it's the same stores anywhere and the same small homes.

There's not going to be any competition for them because they're giants. The other thing is that I've always supported all the projects.

I'm not going into another district because I know I have no business there. And it seems like here, everybody from other districts come and just get involved. That's all. Thank you. Good night.

Thank you. Thank you.

NICK GUMBELTON.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS NICK GUMBELTON. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF PARIS. I LIVE IN THE MAY RANCH COMMUNITY. ALSO A BUSINESS AGENT FOR LAUNA LABORS LOCAL 1184. WE HAVE A GREAT PROJECT IN OUR HANDS TONIGHT. IT'S ONE THAT US, THE RESIDENTS OF PARIS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR. WE HAVE GREAT SIT DOWN DINING. retail, grocery, a sporting goods store. It's amazing what this developer has done and brought to the table for the city of Paris. But other than that, it's almost going to bring 6,000 jobs to this community, and it's going to be jobs from residents that live in this community that are going to work. Those jobs are going to be able to pay mortgages, they give health benefits, and they contribute to a pension. So we're hoping tonight that we can approve this project and get our members to work and work it in their backyard. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Omar Kabian, Daniel Gonzalez, Ismael Gonzalez, Guthrie Wichita.

GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, STAFF. MY NAME IS OMAR KOBIAN. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CARPENTERS UNION. REPRESENTING 600 MEMBERS THAT LIVE RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF PARIS, ABOUT 5500 THAT LIVE IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY. I'M NO STRANGER TO SPEAKING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. AND ONE OF THE COMMON THEMES I'VE HEARD FROM NOT ONLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL IS WHY DON'T WE GET OUR SLICE OF SOME GOOD STORES, SOME GOOD DEVELOPMENT. WELL, HERE YOU GO. HERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY. LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, EVERY PROJECT IS NOT PERFECT. THIS IS BUSINESS. BUT NOW WE HAVE A RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR THAT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO BRING JOBS, UNION JOBS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BRING RETAIL, STORES. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT ALL THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, BUT LET'S STOP AND THINK THE COUNTLESS HOURS THIS CITY HAS PUT FORTH TO PRESENT A GREAT PROJECT. LET'S NOT WASTE THEIR TIME. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY HIRED BY THE CITY TO DO A GREAT JOB. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THIS PROJECT TO YOU GUYS. SO I STARTED TO THINK, YOU KNOW, NOW MORE THAN EVER, WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. OUR UNIONS ARE CONSISTENTLY UNDER ATTACK. WE DO NOT NEED OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ADDING TO THAT ATTACK TO OUR UNION WAGES. So for that, I want to also remind $110 billion of union jobs have been cut in this last administration. Don't be part of that. Don't be part of that. So please pass this project unanimously.

Thank you very much.

Ismael Gonzalez.

Good evening. My name is Estefan Gonzalez. I'm a Marina Valley resident. I have family and friends who reside here in Paris. I dare everyone who comes to this podium to announce where they're from and who their loyalties lay with people here or people outside of the city. I took a look at Howard Industrial Partners. Their own website is listed as being located in Orange County, the city of Orange. Not sure why they're coming all the way out here to visit us and to mingle in our business. I agree with the need for communal third places and welcoming resources to the area, jobs, parks, more schools, more infrastructure. But why not consider co-op garden why not consider small businesses why not consider affordable homes and parks led by the city and not by a corporation or outside entities as far as I can see that land that is being proposed for this project it's it's vacant land why not make it a park everybody says these people these developers are bringing a park to this area you don't need a warehouse attached to it As far as all the businesses, I don't see one small business attached to this project. It's Sprouts, it's Olive Garden, it's Sam's Club. All these corporations have huge...

Thank you very much.

Guthrie Guachida.

Good evening. My name is Godfrey Washira and I'm with CARE California in opposition to the project. And one reason for opposition is the EIR does not adequately mitigate impacts. CARE's experts provided several feasible mitigation measures that the city should implement to reduce the project's significant air quality, greenhouse gas, transportation, and noise impacts. So for example, our experts found that the commercial portion of the project would generate vehicle miles traveled 100% above acceptable VMT threshold and proposed feasible mitigation to reduce the impacts, including requiring future tenants to participate in a mandatory commute trip reduction program. In response, the EIR states that the proposed mitigation would be difficult to implement and concludes that the VMT impacts remain significant and unavoidable. Well difficult to implement does not mean it's infeasible and is not a valid reason to avoid mitigation measures under CEQA. The least we can do given that there's significant impacts on public health especially The least we can do is require all feasible mitigation measures to reduce the project's impacts before the city can approve the project, including the measures that were proposed. And housing is not one of the stated benefits.

That's all. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

John and Anne,

Good evening. I'm in favor of this project because I would have... Will you please say your name? Daniel Gonzalez. I live in Paris by May Ranch area. Please approve this project because not only me and my fellow blue-collar workers would save a drive down to downtown LA, downtown San Diego. It would be a five-minute drive. How cool would it be that I built something and my family can go out there, shop at it, or even eat at these restaurants that are being proposed? Thank you.

Thank you.

John and Ann Mott.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Anne Mott. I'm a resident here of Paris for over 40 years and also a director on the Paris Valley Historical Museum. I would like to state in favor of this project and all of the amendments on the Harvest Landing project In particular, the developer took several of us from the museum on a tour in Rancho Santa Fe, and we saw a previous project there which he had developed along with the artwork incorporated from the city. He plans to do a beautiful project. It's worth $2 million in local historic artwork, which would be part of this project, which I am very much in favor of.

as a resident i am uh oh go ahead yeah i was on the city council in 2000 and the city council initiated an industrial plan for the north paris area because of the flight zone and like for the city to put a moratorium on industrial there's a lot of empty lots there's there's no other use for it than industrial So you should look at it financially, the benefit of the industrial development, because I know it's really helped the city. And as far as trucks and things in the future, they're saying, you know, there'll be electric trucks.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Franco Pacheco. Carlos Cervantes.

Hello, my name is Franco Pacheco with Indian Valley Alliance for Environmental Justice. I'm here in pose to this project. I'm a resident of Paris. I have deep roots in Paris. I have been a resident for over 33 years. And the Paris City Council unanimously voted to enact a 45-day moratorium And it reads, establishment and expansion of industrial warehousing and distribution uses. It limits these so that the study of the effects of all the pollution, all the truck traffic, all the negative effects of the warehousing that Paris has approved in the past can be studied. A parcel hub is a distribution site. It falls under this category. It's a warehouse. So I want to point that out. Also, I want to point out to all the residents that are in favor of the park, this specific plan, how it's written now, already includes a park as mandatory of any developer that comes through. The $90 million that's in infrastructure is already mandatory of any development that comes through. SO WE ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE PHASE TWO PART OF IT WITH THE SOCCER FIELD, IT WON'T BE BUILT UNTIL MAYBE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, AND IT'S NOT EVEN WRITTEN IN STONE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. ALSO, I SPOKE WITH THE VAL VERDE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, MIRANDA, AND THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT. THEY SAY THEY DO NOT APP- THEY CANNOT SUPPORT A PROJECT IF IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE BOARD. SO I SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IT SAID THAT THE VAL VERDE SCHOOL DISTRICT supports this project and that's false i would like clarification on that if they can and please revise this project to remove the parcel hub from the site thank you thank you carla cervantes

Good evening, Planning Commission. My name is Carla Cervantes here with Sierra Cliffs and Argonio Chapter and Lynn Valley Alliance for Environmental Justice and Mead Valley Clean Air Coalition. Those are all pretty cool, but more than anything, I'm a resident and I live here and I breathe here. So that's really important for you guys to understand that we're here to advocate for everybody here. This project would be removing housing and destroying a school in order to be built. That's very concerning. Val Verde Elementary has some of the largest special education programs in the district and serves families in Meade Valley, Paris, Moreno Valley, which makes it a very unique school. We want to address AB 98 and the project, although claiming to be warehouse free, is adding a parcel hub, which will add additional trucks, even more so than a warehouse into our region, which is already suffering some of the highest asthma rates and the highest particle pollution in the county. For the families that attend this park, they'll be breathing in fumes that will increase the risk of cancer, breath defects, respiratory illnesses, heart disease. That doesn't need to be the case. This project needs to be transparent with all the phases. There is also a concern with a Val Verde school district. I'm a taxpayer here and I'm in the Val Verde district area. So knowing that this project requires a school to be destroyed for a parcel hub, which is really a euphemism for warehouses, except a parcel hub would add more trucks in Paris. The Paris residents have been very vocal about no longer needing these kind of projects. I understand my neighbors. We do want parks. We want shopping centers. We've came here and asked for these things, right, but doesn't need to be attached to logistics because it doesn't happen in white areas. These kind of projects where they promise these kind of things in order to risk our health are only happening in black and brown communities and that's not right. Thank you.

Thank you.

SBD Flores. Dean Daniel. Fernando Gonzalez.

Good evening, commissioners, and thank you for hearing from us today. My name is Susveidi, and I'm representing CICS L'Academia. I lived in Paris for 25 years. It's where I've raised my kids, built friendships, worked, and watched our community grow. That's why I'm here, to speak from the heart in support of the Paris Harvest Landing Project. This isn't just about new buildings, it's about opportunity. Over 12,000 jobs will be created right here in Paris. That means our kids, our neighbors, and our friends won't have to leave town to find jobs. It means stronger families and a stronger local economy. It's also about safety and progress. Harvest Landing will invest into roads, intersections, and fire safety systems. These improvements make our city safer and easier to navigate, not just for today, but for generations to come. And here's what really matters to me. This project gives back. Up to $5 million every year will go toward fire protection, parks, and public safety programs. That's money that helps keep Paris vibrant and secure. I love this city, and I want to see it thrive. Harvest Landing is a chance to do that responsibly, sustainably, and with pride. Let's make Paris a city our children and future children will never want to leave. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Dean Daniel?

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Dean Daniel. Oh, sorry. Mike. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Dean Daniel and I'm with Daniel Fine Arts Services. We are a company that specializes in providing art programs to hospitality and commercial projects all over the world. We have a history of working with the Howard Industrial Partners in past projects, and they have provided investment in really nice, high quality art programs that have lasted the test of time. They're committed here to bring a public art program to this project that will be an asset to the community and to the city. We have already been working with the Historic Society and the museum to come up with themes that they want to see represented that tell the story about the local community and the history here. We have themes such as ranching and farming, the railroads, Clarence Mews, and the Caderez family, and mining. This will bring visibility to public art in the area, it will bring accessibility, and again, it will bring a quality product that will last the test of time. And that's it, so thank you.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Fernando Gonzalez.

Hello, everyone. My name's Fernando Gonzalez. I am a resident of Paris. I just want to shine a little bit of perspective about what some of the folks were talking about. I'm actually a coach. I have two boys team here in the city of Paris. That's my biggest passion. But more specifically, someone did mention the 2,000 families that we had to deal with, that we had to try to find spaces. As of today, we only have two parks. That's Metz and Patriot Park. And we had to split basically by shifts as if we're doing an additional job that's 530 to 7 and 7 to 830. Some of our coaches have to deal with coaching kids as late as 830. And if we pass along any after that, the lights just shut off on us. Not to mention the chaos that it causes just simply parking. As of the last few weeks, now we're getting notices from the city that they will be giving out tickets to the parents because there's just no parking. So I'm just here to shine a great opportunity that Tim is bringing to our city by providing more parks for our kids to be able to play soccer because we compete. We're in a local league, and we're also at a regional league, and some of our teams are going to compete at a state level and hopefully in the next few years at a professional level against other academies. So that's my goal, and that's my passion, and I hope that you guys are going to take into consideration when you guys are voting in this plan. Thank you all.

Thank you very much, sir.

Michael Nordina. Yes, please.

We got you. What a loop a Martinez.

And Joe tell a mantis.

Oh, I have to go.

Your first sir.

Hi, my name is Michael Nordman. Good evening, Chair. Ammon and the commissioners. I've lived here for 27 years. And when I first came here and I seen the land here, I said, this is God's country. And I knew eventually that they would build a project like that because I had faith in God we trust, right? So I trust that everything's gonna go smoothly because I've been praying about this for decades. I've met many, many Latinos and Mexicans and Cubans in my neighborhood who work so hard and drive so far to go to work. And all they want is opportunity for their children. I'm 67 years old. I'm getting ready to retire. I seen my father who was a carpenter and helped build Southern California. He was a foreman of 500, a crew of 500 people. And the progress that this company wants to make for this beautiful city is well worth the risk. I just ask that they would take in consideration everything, all the negative, and make sure that we keep our homes, that they don't bulldozer our homes. And you know that these contracts are lasting and they're not just for a few years. And I just thank you for them and I think that they're coming here and they want.

Okay, thank you very much, sir. Thank you.

Guadalupe Martinez.

Good evening, commissioners. I'm here. I'm a resident. My name is Guadalupe Martinez. I've been a resident here in Paris for four years. I met Paris and fell in love with it 32 years ago. And I've seen a lot of changes. And one of the things that I am going to ask you to please Slow down on this approval. Make sure that the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed. I have seen so many empty warehouses not doing nothing, and I don't know what was proposed or what was going to happen with those, but they're just sitting there. So no jobs came to us. They're still sitting there. They're empty, okay? And in the meantime, like, everybody, we want parks. We want, you know, retail. We want it all. Yeah, of course. But please, make sure that everything is... stated very clearly because we cannot continue to lose our beautiful open spaces to have these sitting warehouses and then have things not go through and we're stuck. I just don't want us to be stuck. So I urge you to please make sure that don't be so fast to pass this. Make sure that everything is stated clearly and that it is going to benefit us, the residents of Paris, because we love this place. Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you very much.

Joe Telemontes.

Hi, my name is Jose Telemontes. I'm a parishion for the last ten years. I have three kids. Both of them graduated from Orange Vista and the little one's going to At this time, I pray that God gives you the wisdom to make the right choice. You've heard from both sides, pros and nays. The responsibility falls on you. Are you ready with hospitals, schools, to be able to take this influx of people that will come looking for jobs, that will come looking, this field that's been promised for all the kids that will get hurt and injured during playing soccer, which hospital will you take them to? What schools are they going to? All these jobs, these construction jobs, eventually they'll go away. Where is everybody going to move to? Are we investing in our children? Let's invest in their education instead of making them laborers. Let's make them doctors, lawyers, medical engineers. Let's look ahead in the future for Paris, not just in the short term. Let's look at the long term. I pray that you pray and you seek guidance so you can make the right choice. I am for growth. I am for retail. I love and I enjoy going out to the restaurant with my children. I know we need jobs. That's everywhere. But promises are being made. Review the contract. Just make sure that you're making the right choice for Paris.

Thank you very much.

Hector Pais. Victoria Camarena.

Hi, good evening, Commission. My name's Hector Paez. I'm a resident of Riverside and a lifelong resident of the IE, warehouse capital of the world, apparently. I'm here to voice my opposition to the project, specifically the parcel hub component or the logistics warehouse component. I don't think it's needed. If you were to go on the City of Paris website right now, there's six million square feet of warehouse development either approved or under construction. I think it was floated earlier that There would be like minimal impacts from the trucks because they're EVs, but they generate just as much particulate matter that gives kids asthma, gives people respiratory issues as the large 18 wheelers due to their increased weight. And I think the rest of the project is great. I think the commercial component is needed. People need third spaces. They need recreational areas. They just don't need the parcel hub. It's unnecessary. That's all.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Victoria Camarena.

Hello, my name is Victoria Camarena, and I'm a resident of Mead Valley. This is nothing new, an industrial developer with more money than I can imagine coming into a community they are not a part of to build warehouses they wouldn't dare propose in their own cities. And now that Paris is moving away from industrial development, the developer changed the wording of their warehouse to a parcel hub facility. They are taking advantage of the needs of our community to get more support for their harmful project. How is it that we don't have more fields in the city for the soccer teams? If I were you, I'd start talking with these coaches to find land and the funding to build more soccer fields for the community without the help of Howard Industrial. i want to end with the misleading surveys and information from the developer i don't know if you all saw the ads they paid for on instagram but they did not mention the warehouse or the parcel hub facility when you click on their ad you get directed to a website saying new parks and playgrounds walking and biking trails better infrastructure and then fields to input your information that automatically sends a letter of support that conveniently, finally, mentions the warehouse. I urge you to deny the project and ask that you demand complete transparency from future developers. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Is that the group from the... Arturo Avalos. Araceli Avalos. Yolanda Marquez.

It might be the one that was in the .

Rosina Correa. Okay. That's all I have.

At this time, what I would suggest is maybe we give people an opportunity, maybe at the gym, just a couple minutes to come over. We may take a recess. Just take a break for them to come over.

Now, anyone else in this currently here, even though you didn't fill out a form, does anyone else want to speak? Are we done? Okay. We're going to take five minutes. didn't see where she was getting okay 10 minute recess and i mean 10 minutes exactly okay thank you

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. I'm actually happy for that. I'm happy to hear that. I'll send my brother. Who's my brother? Oh, I've met him. Yeah, the same as that idiot.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you see that?

Oh, please. She's going to be chosen. When is it? When is it? I don't know. Oh, I see. Thank you.

Okay, let's reconvene. I probably will, but they just said

Thank you very much.

I think we're waiting on one commissioner. Are we ready? Good evening. We are reconvening the City of Paris Planning Commission meeting. We're reconvening the City of Paris Planning Commission meeting at 8.54 p.m. Thank you that everyone has come back and I thank you for your patience. As we have closed the public comment portion, we're going to move on to the rebuttal. If the applicant would like to respond to the comments, we always do this at this time. And then we will go into a staff report and questions. We'll start questioning staff. This is your chance.

Thank you, Commissioners. Again, my name is Tim Howard. I've listened to the public comment period this evening with great intensity. There were three themes that I wanted to hit on there. The first is the housing and doubts about it. I'd like you commissioners to direct yourselves to the staff report. that spells out the housing requirement and also the conditions of approval. I think that addresses it very, very well and gives some clarity to some of the people who had questions about that. With regard to a parcel hub, it's clearly not a warehouse. It's been studied as a parcel hub through the environmental document and overstudied. And one of the things I'd like to point out that as our need for home delivery has grown over the last several years, locating a parcel hub closer to the end user overall reduces impact on roads and pollution. So I'd like to make that point. It's a layman's point, I know. But if you just think about it rationally, it makes a lot of sense. We have a great company here that's going to be a large employer. And I'd just ask you to revisit your staff if you have any questions. Also on the EIR alternative four, there seemed to be some confusion as to what people were talking about. Again, tonight we're focused on just alternative four. That's what's before you for your approval, and that's what staff is recommending. So I'd ask you to rely on them as well. To the extent that it's needed, All of our technical staff is here to answer any questions that you have forthcoming, and I appreciate the opportunity to address those concerns. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Now, at this time, if you have any questions for staff and or the applicant, now is the time for us. And I mean questions.

Um, I had a quick question in regards to SB 230. I'll you mentioned that it is compliant with SB 330. With the removal of nearly 1200 units on the on the specific plan. Um, can you explain how it's still compliant with the SB 330?

So the SB 30 language states that you cannot remove or take away residential density. So the applicant looked at SB 30 language and the solution was to say the land use still exists under the underlying residential area. And so in the life cycle of the project, in the event the parcel hub goes away or the commercial goes away, the developer still has the right to develop those residential density that's underneath. And so it meets the letter of the law, if that makes sense. And so their attorney looked into it, our attorney confirmed that that meets the letter of the law of the language.

So it's very much possible that the residential component of it never gets built out, but it's still compliant because it's the zoning.

Yes, just because it meets the way it's read in the SP 330 language. Got you.

I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE REMOVAL OF THE USE IN INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE PROJECT. IS THAT GOING TO BE CONDITIONED TO THE PROJECT, THE REMOVAL OF INDUSTRIAL, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE HARVEST LANDING SPECIFIC PLAN?

IT WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO A HARVEST LANDING SPECIFIC PLAN. AS WE MENTIONED, HALFWAY THROUGH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, THE APPLICANT IS NOW SUPPORTIVE OF RETURN TO, WHICH IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE PROVISION TO update the specific plan and cross out any area that references allowance for a distribution center or warehouses. And so by taking that out, the only thing that's left over is the parcel hub.

So under the Harvest Landing Specific Plan, MBU clearly specifies that light industrial is allowed. Are we amending that and removing that from that? So we're redefining MBU?

Yeah, so what would happen is when it goes, if it goes to council, let's say, if it goes to council, if this property moves forward, well, it will have to go to council, whether it's a recommendation or approval or denial. And so right now, the applicant is supportive of staff's recommendation, which we would We would do a word search in all the areas of the specific plan that will be crossed out.

So it will be get redefined?

Yes, it will be redefined.

Okay. And as it is now, I wasn't able to find a definition for parcel hub under the Harvest Landing specific plan. Is there anywhere in the city zoning code that mentions parcel hub?

There's some, it's not definitive in our code, there's some clarification, but part of the moratorium, there's a provision that states a parcel hub is not subject to that moratorium, if that makes sense.

Yeah, my question is just what would not be permitted in a parcel hub that would be in a warehouse? Like where is the clear distinction between parcel hub and industrial warehouse?

The main distinction is the last mile delivery. A typical warehouse and distribution center does not include last mile delivery to an individual's home. So they would have these transit vans or, you know, typically when you order something on a distribution website or just a, I don't want to say the name of the typical place people buy things at, but The van that you typically see, like the typical, what do you call it, a transit van that you see driving to your home and dropping off that last mile delivered product to get to your home, that's the distinction between a parcel hub or a warehouse or a distribution facility.

So it's basically the intended use, but not necessarily the structure itself?

Yes. I mean, it's like, if you can see the building, it looks different in like a typical warehouse, but it's a box shape. This one has this little, kind of like a pork shop looking shape, and those are designed for a parcel hub.

Got you. In the, I believe it was, Alternative 4 of ERR, EIR, is the residential area, is that going to be overlaid MBU as well, the north side of Orange Avenue, or is that going to be zoned residential? That is zoned residential. There's no overlay on the north side. Okay, so that's not MBU. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. I do have a question for the applicant if you're willing to answer questions. So you requested to add 6.2 acres to the specific plan. Considering that there's already a school there, is that addition to the specific plan detrimental to this project? Do you guys have a specific plan already on what you guys want to do with that 6.2 acres or 16.2 acres?

Kenneth, could you direct me to the exact location?

IT, can you put back up the staff's presentation?

That's the applicant's presentation. Can we switch to the to staffs presentation please?

It's the school site.

OK, so so I'm sorry Commissioner. Tell me that the question regarding the school site.

So you're requesting to add 16.2 acres to the harvest land specific plan. Is this detrimental to your project? Do you need it? And if so, what is your plan with that 16.2 acres? Do you have a specific plan with it already?

As you know, as is contained in your staff report, I as the applicant have engaged, the school engaged with us and we're in a very sensitive part of a I'M NOT SURE I'M THE BEST PERSON TO SPEAK TO, BUT WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM VALVERDE. AND I DON'T MEAN TO SHIFT OR DO ANYTHING.

I CAN TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE, BUT I DO HAVE PATRICK, DO WE HAVE OUR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT HERE?

DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE FIRE? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO THROW YOU IN. The future. The future.

Will will will.

Oh, sorry.

So here.

How do we address? How do we answer this one?

I I just want to know, because you're asking us to include 16.2 acres to the specific plan. Phase two is very broad. There's no there's no clear plan. So why are we? Why are we adding that many acreage to it?

I City Council Chambers with Val Verde Unified School District. It's not detrimental. I don't know if it's detrimental to his plan or not. The school. Where it is currently located would not be ideal If the plan was approved as is and so the district has engaged in possible alternative Placement or plans we don't have an exact idea what we would do, but We wouldn't want to keep it there So if the commission approves, which we have zero opinion on, we have a mitigation strategy for the district moving forward.

Even with the included residential that you guys are providing across the street from the school, that school still wouldn't be a good location for it?

Well, with the proposal, as I understand it, of industrial in the purple section around the school, and its current location near the freeway. If you approve this plan, the district is prepared to engage and find an alternative place for those students.

Thank you.

And so there you have it. There's a letter in your package. where we tried to speak about the future. The school is too small for its current student body and we have a solution there that the school district and my team are discussing. We're very close to an agreement there and then in terms of the future that becomes the nbu my plan for the future is to maximize the highest and best use of the property so what i would like to see since we're not building warehouses is what I beseech you for is your support in helping us locate a medical center there, or perhaps some other institution of higher learning. But we need to do our best for not only the community, but its residents. And we have to come up with a sensible development plan. So that's why we've stricken the warehouse component from that site, and that's why I'm trying to attract a medical center. We've had some good success and great conversations. We have our new medical campus across the street. The county hospital is overflowing. So to the extent that the city leaders and I can get together and attract that type of use, that's what I'd like to see in the future. Okay, thank you so much.

I have a question in regards to your parcel, I mean, your, yeah, your hub. I JUST WANT TO GET MORE DETAILS ABOUT IT. SURE. SO WHAT'S YOUR ANTICIPATED AMOUNT OF TRUCK TRIPS YOU GUYS ARE EXPECTING FROM THIS PARCEL?

LET ME BE GENERIC IN THAT ANSWER AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE OUR TRAFFIC TEAM IS HERE THIS EVENING. THE PARCEL HUB WAS OVERSTUDIED. in terms of its impacts. We had to do this because it's part of an ITE calculation. To the extent that traffic and trips were studied, they were done by our consultant, EPD. And Jeremy, do we have our traffic? Get ready for this one. This is gonna be a blockbuster.

Hello, commissioners. My name is Alex Garber and I am with EPD Solutions and helped prepare the traffic study for this project. So specifically for the parcel hub, we are looking at 186 truck trips a day, which that includes trips in and out of the project. So we're going to be looking at more 93 total trucks generated by the project daily. In the peak hours, that's going to be looking like 29 trucks during the a.m. peak hour and then 19 trucks during the p.m. peak hour.

And do you have the information of what the difference would be for what your guys' intended use is versus a warehouse, and what the difference in truck trips would be for that particular hub?

So what I have is the rest of phase one. And the rest of phase one without the parcel hub, that's with looking at the, because the traffic study looked at the previous warehouses that were along there. a warehouse would generate a higher proportion of trucks. The ITE rate for warehouse is about 35% trucks per square feet or per thousand square feet versus a parcel hub, which is much closer to 12% trucks as compared to passenger vehicle trips.

So we're looking at a decrease in truck trips with the parcel hub? We're looking at a lower percent of trucks, yes. And do you know exactly what type of classification this type of parcel hub is required for the operation? What classification of trucks?

What classification of trucks? It has a mixture of four axle trucks, three axle trucks, and two axle trucks. Parcel hubs do have a higher percentage of those two axle truck trucks. and smaller van type trucks given that there are taking packages coming to the facility being sorted to more localized areas and then being delivered to specific locations as opposed to a warehouse which is kind of large packages coming in being repackaged for more international or national locations and then being shipped back out.

So we're still going to be looking at Class 8 big rig trucks going into this location?

There is going to be a portion of those that are going to be restricted to Frontage Road going to the parcel hub and then going back out to the Placentia Interchange onto the I-215. Okay.

All right. Thank you so much.

Absolutely.

Before you leave. You say... Coming right back. You say what is the hours of the peak a.m. or what is the hours of peak p.m.?

So the peak a.m. is typically between 7 and 9 a.m. in the morning, and then the peak p.m. is going to be between 4 and 6 p.m.

When everybody's coming home and going to work. Yes. So... So what is the radius? This is probably a question for FedEx, perhaps. What is the radius of final destination deliveries for the packages for this hub?

I don't know the answer to that. Hopefully someone else on the team will come up. But while someone else is seeing if we have that specific comment.

What is your name, sir?

Sorry, Jonathan Shardlow. I'm with a consultant to Howard Industrial Partners. I'm with Alan Matkins. I'm a land use attorney. And I just wanted to comment on the peak hour question. So that was back to Tim's comment about how we had to conservatively analyze under the ITE rate, which is the Institution of Traffic Engineers. So that's just a model for millions and millions of buildings. That's a... It's just a model. We know who the tenant is. Most of the time, it's a speculative development. You don't know who the end tenant is. Here we know it's FedEx, right? FedEx is not going to send their trucks into the highest peak time, because that's just the whole model of FedEx is to get their trucks and really more their vans to places on time. So the peak time is significantly overstated. And I think, I mean, everyone kind of knows a parcel hub is even more limited than what Kenneth remarked on in terms of last mile delivery. It's not a fulfillment center like an Amazon. It would it would never be an Amazon. This is this is not a warehouse. It's a parcel hub. So you're talking about the United States Postal Service or UPS or FedEx or there's really I don't even know if DHL exists anymore. It's a very limited amount or type of tenant. And this building is built specifically as a parcel hub to get your overnight mail, which businesses use your community uses to get a check somewhere, to get a notarized deed somewhere, whatever it might be, this is a FedEx facility. We know who the tenant is, we know how they operate, and the ITE rate and the analysis of the CEQA document is highly conservative. So I just didn't want you to think that there was a significant amount of truck activity in that peak time, because that's not gonna be the case. We know who the tenant is gonna be and we know how it's gonna operate. Thank you.

On that same note, can I ask then if it's not, we're not expecting a lot of truck traffic. I see that there is a huge amount of like trailer parking stalls. Why would we need so many if we're only expecting 29 trucks at the AM peak and 19 at PM peak? Why do we need 300 and something or even 80 stalls if it's going to be low quantities?

Hello. So as we were mentioning, the type of facility that FedEx is, the peak hours I provided you, the 7 to 9, the 4 to 6, is the peak hour of the adjacent street, as we tend to experience going to and from work is around those times. The trips sound quite low because FedEx does not typically operate at the same peak hours that we do for work. They're going throughout the entire day, having deliveries earlier in the morning, in the afternoon and later in the evening. And so the amount of parking required is because there are going to be vehicles that are there sitting the entire day not utilized and having a larger fleet available to them is going to be more helpful for these types of parcel hub deliveries, as you will see for these types of local distribution and parcel hub facilities, you have higher amounts of parking required. So you can have vehicles that are sitting ready to go when a delivery is ready. And they are truck trailer stalls that are utilized more by those vans, two axle, three axle trucks, not large four axle trucks that are waiting there for long periods of time. This is not a truck trailer parking lot. This is a parking lot for those types of van, three axle trucks for this type of facility.

Okay. Do we not modify the length then if we're using a four axle van versus a big rig? It's completely different sizing.

It does. It provides flexibility to not have... restricted locations of where, when that four-axle truck, which I mentioned, will be coming, does come to provide a delivery to the FedEx facility, that there isn't a confusing kind of layout for parking. It is easier to have striping that's consistent throughout that then can be utilized by whatever size truck does come.

Okay, thank you. Brad, would you be able to answer, looking at hubs in the vicinity or close by or this type of hub somewhere else. The research I've done states there's more traffic, but based on your experience and we're looking at the traffic flow and we're looking at those things and the impact to Placentia, would you talk about the impact? Is there going to be just the traffic flow to and from?

Yeah, good evening. So what the applicant's team is presenting, I think there was a slide with the truck route showing that placentia directly to the facility alpha frontage. So that is accurate where it's only strictly for that truck route there. And as far as what Alex was mentioning about the ITE, yeah, those numbers are accurate with ITE where, you know, the ITE Institute of Transportation, they have a land use code 156, that talks about parcel hubs. And they have a trip generation rate just specifically for four plus axle trucks of 0.34 per thousand square feet. So the numbers that Alex presented, the 190 something, that's accurate with the ITE data.

So to clarify, is that a number based off of 322,000 square feet, or is that based off of 391?

So our TIA initially had the 322, but Alex did the correlation for the 395 there. And again, as they were mentioning with the ITE, they take nationwide data. And for this land use code 156, there were eight data points throughout the nation for these parcel hubs, and that's how they acquire this .34 number trip generation for the trucks alone. There's other generation numbers for passenger vehicles, and this is typical for any project.

Okay, and when we're looking at the layout and parking stalls, is that pretty accurate? I'm asking staff for other parcel hubs that we see throughout with, because I saw the requirements for the parking and all that. Is that pretty standard or does this have, is it bigger than most hubs? Does it have more parking, less parking? How does this compare to other hubs?

I'm going to defer to the applicant because there's not many parcel hubs, and at least to my knowledge, there might be a few in the region, but they're not as common as the warehouse. So I would defer to the applicant to answer that question because this is the first parcel hub we have encountered in Paris.

So I can answer. I'd answer two questions. I'll start with a question about because they're related. So the question about how far in terms of radius, the closest FedEx parcel hub in the region is in Rialto. And so those trucks and vans probably go in a 50 mile radius with the inclusion of this parcel hub. If this project is approved, it would probably limit that to a 25 mile radius. So you wouldn't have trucks from Paris needing to deliver to Rialto, Colton, San Bernardino. So it'd pretty much be like a San Bernardino hub and then a Riverside hub. So it'll actually reduce vehicle miles traveled, trucks and vans. And then your question about why there's so many trailer stalls and is that normal? The answer is yes. Well, I'm an Inland Empire resident. I don't drive by the Rialto site often, but I know it well. But the site that I know is off the 15 at Cantu Galeano, which is a UPS facility. And the reason they have so many trucks is because, again, this is not a warehouse. Warehouses don't have their own fleets. So you always see these... you don't know who the trucking company necessarily is. Here they have their own fleets, and so they don't ever use outside fleets. And so they park all of their trucks for their fleets. So they're not being used every day. But if you were to drive the 15 or to look at a picture of that UPS facility, you would see it looks very, very similar. And you could look at the Rialto FedEx facility as well, and you would see that it is very similar. similar in terms of the amount of all types of parking. And then I just want to make one additional comment about, you know, trucks and vans and two axles. And there's a the traffic study analyzes all of these uses using a number or sorry, a metric called PCE passenger car equivalents. So it takes all these uses and says how much traffic congestion or trips are going to occur by land use. And The fact is, and the city of Paris actually has a separate study showing this based on AQMD data, that the retail will actually have more trips, more PCE trips, and the housing would have significantly more PCE trips than a parcel hub, or even if it was a warehouse. A parcel hub is actually the best use if you wanted to limit traffic congestion or vehicle miles traveled.

I have a question about the operation of FedEx. Is it, I'm assuming it's most likely potentially to be a two-shift or maybe 24-hour operation. What is the occupancy use or employee use during the time? Is it 800 people? per shift or is it 400 people per shift? Because it was stated that there's approximately 800 employees. Is it? Yeah. How many people are using the facility at one time?

So there's going to be three shifts. The shifts during what I'll call peak business hours are going to be higher because that's when there's more loading, unloading, and the movement. You don't get FedEx package at, well, a lot of the time you don't get FedEx packages at 4 a.m., right? So there will be a lot of employees at night, but there won't be a lot of truck activity at night because most of that truck activity is going to be when businesses are open and can accept deliveries as well as households. So I'm giving you an educated guess. It's probably 40-40 in terms of the normal shifts. And then the nighttime or graveyard shift would probably be 20%. But the 20% at nighttime is going to be mostly sorting mail for local deliveries.

So it's it did the minimum required parking is 101 stalls, you're requesting 109 stalls 108 stalls at the or 808 stalls, I think it is. Why? Why such a large amount of parking required for for vehicles?

Oh, Mostly related to crossovers of shifts, because you can't have trucks loading and unloading at the same time. So really, if you were to look at how do you limit truck activity, it would be by the loading dock, meaning the amount of trucks parked on a site is not indicative of the intensity of the site. or trucks of the site, just like parking. Like if you go to a Walmart or a Home Depot, right, and it's a big power center, usually, you know, 20%, maybe probably higher, 40% of the parking spaces, but there's always a space. Like I was saying before, with respect to its fleet, that's its entire fleet, and it has to be right there on that property, unlike other, like a warehouse user who hires a third-party vendor who's going to the port and coming back, going to the port, coming back. It's a completely different use. That's their whole fleet there, and that's why there needs to be that amount of spots. Again, if you look at the 15 and UPS there, you'll see that that's pretty indicative. I live in Eastvale, very close to that site. I'll see a UPS truck, but it's not like they're lining up. A hundred trips sounds like a lot of trips, but if you divide it by 24 hours, that's one trip every, I'm so horrible at math, one every 15 minutes, approximately.

And is that, Brad, is that comparable to what would a warehouse have for trips for hour or for industrial or just regular warehouse?

I mean, it depends on the type of warehouse, the type of use. Obviously, fulfillment centers bring in more truck traffic than some warehouses like where it's some operation, tire shop. So it depends. But per ITE, it's somewhat in line with... a warehouse with the truck generation. And again, this is IT, and it takes data points throughout the whole country. And as the applicant's speaking, maybe their operation doesn't fall quite in line with IT, but that's what the general rule of thumb is to base traffic studies off of.

Okay, so fulfillment center, what would we look at for truck traffic?

Sorry, what was that?

For a fulfillment center type of warehouse?

I'd have to, they have a few numbers in their traffic study, but I'd have to kind of compare, but I could get.

It would be approximately five times more, right? Is that for a fulfillment center based on like IT rate 150 versus the fulfillment center, or you could take the parcel hub and compare it to high cube fulfillment. So there's multiple IT rates for warehouses. There's a general warehousing one, which is 150. And then they have high cube, high cube sort, high cube non-sort, just general industrial. I mean, there's multiple.

Multiple, okay.

And parcel hub is one of the lowest, if not the lowest.

Oh, he has the numbers, I think.

All right, if we want actual numbers, here we go.

Yes, I like numbers. Yes. I do like actual numbers.

So per thousand square feet, we have a... typical warehouse is going to be 1.71 trips per thousand square feet. We have our general light industrial, which is 4.87 trips per thousand square feet. We have a parcel hub, which is 4.63 per thousand square feet. And might I add, while I give these ITE rates, The truck percentages are wildly different between these. So that's where the parcel hub generates more trips, but it's a much higher percentage of passenger vehicle trips than trucks. But if we want to keep going, we also have industrial park, which generates 3.37 trips per thousand square feet.

Is that just trucks, or just so they know?

That's just, that's total trucks.

Everything, yeah. That's total trips.

For all of them, right?

That was total trips for all of them.

Correct, those were total trips for all of them.

Okay.

Percentage, yeah. So, yes, and that's where the warehouse truck rate is 35% trucks. The general light industrial is 5% trucks. The parcel hub is 12% trucks. And the...

INDUSTRIAL PARK. THE LAST ONE WAS INDUSTRIAL PARK.

Yes, so I don't have the fulfillment truck percentage specifically in front of me, but.

I believe fulfillment centers, they do bring in a lot more passenger vehicles than trucks.

That is due to the hand sorting requirements. Exactly, but it depends on the operation.

So it's very dependent.

And then the industrial park is a mixture of kind of the manufacturing warehouse and all of that. So that is going to be closer to like 20% trucks.

Okay.

Kind of an average of all of them.

Thank you.

And then as kind of was mentioned earlier, to give context, the commercial portion of this is about 400,000 square feet, slightly larger than the parcel hub, but does generate 94% of the trips for phase one as compared to the 6% of trips generated by the parcel hub.

Question for that is what For the commercial area, what percentage do you think or know will be from outside of Paris? And what is portion of it to be inside Paris?

I can't state specifically where the trips are coming from. I can state that the amount of commercial that is in this area versus the amount of residential in this area means that I would presume a decent amount of trips would be coming from the residential to the east of this site from the city of Paris. But I could not specifically state the percentage that will come from Reno Valley or Paris. That's just outside of the technical capabilities of our traffic modeling.

So how important is the 615 doors to the retail portion of the project? I'm sorry, if you could repeat.

From a business perspective, it's not that important. Obviously, it's great if you have a soup salad and breadsticks for $11.99 that you can walk to, but this is a regional shopping center. A regional shopping center, maybe like you're You're one on the south side with the Corky's and the Home Depot. It's gonna be similar to that in terms of your, most of your, there's Home Depots everywhere, right? I don't say everywhere, but every 10 miles. So you're not gonna get people driving 30 miles to go to Home Depot or to Hobby Lobby when there's others within 10 miles. You'll get pass, you'll get a lot of pass through. People that are gonna play soccer Again, Inland Empire's got a lot of big soccer facilities. That's influx of people coming in on the weekend. They're filling up their tank. They're eating out. They might even go by Target. But for the most part, percentage-wise, it's your local residents that are gonna be shopping at Sam's Club. Because again, there's probably another Sam's Club within a 10-mile radius. So it's mostly, it is a regional shopping center, but I think if you did the stats, it would be 70% probably localized Paris day-to-day.

I appreciate the fact.

I did want to follow up. Brad, are you familiar with like the South Coast air quality? They did a report in 2023 where they specifically talked about these types of distribution centers i don't want to say distribution center but just a parcel hub um if you're familiar with it would you would you talk about to the findings of it particularly with like the trips truck traffic yeah so um wrcog through uh what i forget s

had my notes the south coast air quality management something or other yeah through them and ite they actually conducted a local study back in 2023 on some fulfillment centers and uh some parcel hubs throughout the area uh their data for just the parcel hubs uh it ranged again it depends on use but it ranged from as low for heavy truck traffic as low as 2.03 trips daily trips per Thousand feet as as high as 2.9 for daily trips poor per thousand feet So again, it depends on use and what is coming in. Okay, but though that study did have that type of range, okay Thank you