Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Good evening. I think you can hear me right? Welcome to the City of Paris Planning Commission meeting 08/20/2025. Aren't you glad it's cool in here? With the hands for the heat? Everybody wants the heat turned on? Come on. You know? Okay. You could be outside guys. Okay. At this time, we thank you for coming this evening and we're gonna get right to it because we've got a few I quite a few items here. But, we're gonna start with our roll call and we're starting at 06:05PM.

Commissioner Jimenez?

Here.

Commissioner Jimenez?

Here.

Commissioner Lopez?

Here.

Vice chair Shively?

Here.

Chair Hammond?

Here.

Thank you.

Thank you and we're gonna have our pledge of allegiance by commissioner Jimenez.

Please stand.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of Thank you very much. We're at item four, which is presentation. I don't believe there's any presentation. So, we move on to item five, consent calendar. Approval of planning commission minutes for 08/06/2025 meeting. Are there any corrections, additions, deletions?

I didn't see any. Okay.

We open it up to public comment. I know we have to do it. Public comment on the consent calendar item a. Is there any public comment? Seeing no public comment, we close the public comment portion and call for a motion.

I'll make a motion.

It's commissioner Minas.

I'll second it.

I'll second it by commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Jimenez? Yes. Commissioner Minas?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez?

Yes.

Vice chair Shively?

Yes.

Chair Hammond?

Yes.

With the vote of five to zero, this motion is approved. Thank you.

Thank you very much. With that, we move on to the public hearings item 6A. And I believe staff has a request, but I don't know if you want me to do that now or once I read it. Just go ahead and read it first. Okay. Item six a, general plan amendment 23 dash zero five two four seven, zone change 23 dash zero five two four five, Plan development overlay zone 23 dash 05246. Tentative track map twenty three dash zero five two four four. TTM three eight seven seven five. And development plan review twenty three dash zero zero zero one nine. This is continued from the 05/07/2025, Planning Commission meeting.

A proposal considered the following elements to facilitate the construction of a 141 town home style condominiums and amenities on 11.6 acres located south on the Wavell Road and East of Wilson Avenue. Number one, the general plan amendment and zone change to change the land use designation of 11.6 acres from r 6,000 single family residential to m f r 14, multiple family residential. Number two, plan development overlay to allow flexibility from the m f r 14 development standards. Number three is tentative track map to consolidate 57 parcels into one condominium lot and two lettered lots totaling 11.6 acres. And development plan review for review of the site plan and building elevations.

Applicant, d r Horton, contract planners, Nathan Perez, requested action, adopt resolution number 25Dash07 recommending that the city council adopt mitigated negative declaration number 2403 and a mitigation monitoring reporting program and approved general plan amendment 23 dash zero five two four seven, zone change 23 dash zero five two four five, Plan development overlay zone 23 dash zero five two four six. Tentative track map 23 dash zero five two four four. TTM eight three seven five. Development plan review twenty three dash zero zero zero one nine to facilitate the construction of a 141 townhome style condominiums and amenities on 11.6 acres based on the findings contained in the resolution and subject condition of approval and as always, in the ex parte communication, ad hoc committee meetings, or site visit.

I did have ad hoc meeting this last go around.

I also sat on an ad hoc meeting.

I have none.

Definitely site visit more than once. Thank you. With that, Mr. Perez.

Okay. Thank you Chairman Hammond for that introduction and members of the Planning Commission. The first item we have before you is the Acacia Point project and the applicant Mr. Ryan Woosley from D. R.

Horton. As you may remember, the project came before you on May 7. The Planning Commission voted to continue the project to off calendar because of the following concerns: one, lack of accent materials and architectural details to differentiate Italianate from Spanish style architecture two, the absence of a clubhouse in the site plan three, insufficient on-site parking four, need for additional communication with adjacent property owners to the south and also to the east. Five, absence of three d renderings illustrating the main entrance and also three d renderings from street views from Nuevo Road and Wilson Avenue. And then lastly, confirmation that the applicant is providing 24 foot wide emergency vehicle access through drive aisles.

During the meeting, was four Paris residents that spoke in opposition, and their concerns were related to traffic, on street parking, dust, the height of the stockpile, and backyard privacy. So in response to the feedback of the Planning Commission, ad hoc and local residents, the applicant revised the plans and addressed their comments as follows. The applicant added architectural details such as wrought iron shelves, decorative tiles, stone veneer, and I'll explain a little bit more in the elevations. They modified a site plan to replace some pickleball courts with additional parking, and they added parking in different locations. They relocated and expanded the dog park.

Also, they expanded the pool building to include a new meeting room. They provided three d renderings of the main entrance. And during that time, they conducted a community meeting which they provided details on the dust mitigation and also their commitment to remove the stockpile by 09/03/2023. They also incorporated tree plantings along the southerly and easterly properties to maintain backyard privacy, and also disclosed to us that Nuevo Road was going to include a class two bike lane with no parking. So now going back into the project, currently the project is located at the Southeast corner of Nuevo Road and Wilson Avenue, currently vacant.

To the north, there's existing apartments and also a small little shopping center. To the Southeast West is single family residential. Here's a site photo, south view across Nuevo Road. And here's a site photo east view across Wilson Avenue. So currently, the general plan designation is currently R 6,000.

The applicant is requesting a general plan amendment to rezone to MFR 14 to allow higher density on the underlining zoning or general plan designation. And this is the way it's going to look. Also as included as part of the project, the applicant is proposing a zone change to rezone from R6,000, which is single family, to MFR14 planned development overlay to allow the flexibility and to facilitate this development. And this is the before and after. The site plan, this is what the applicant's proposing.

They kept the 141 unit townhome style condominiums consisting of 34 detached buildings. The units range from three to four bedrooms ranging from 1,600 square feet to a little bit under 1,700. Some of the amenities which are centralized include a pool building and they actually increased the size of the pool building to include a seven thirty five square foot meeting room. And I'll explain that in the next slide. There's also two points of access along Wilson Avenue.

The main point of access is located where the yellow arrows are, and the secondary access, which will only be used for emergency vehicles, is located or depicted in the red arrows to the south. Here are some of the amenities, which include tot lots, picnic areas, covered picnic areas. Also, as mentioned earlier, there's going to be a clubhouse. So they actually increased the size of the main building to include a seven thirty five square foot clubhouse that's going to be attached by a breezeway. And this is pretty much the elevations of that pool building.

And one of the details that the ad hoc requested was to have tile along the archway. City staff has reviewed the project and it complies with the MFR 14 and PDO standards and parking standards. And here's the rendering that Commissioner Jimenez requested. I know she's very appreciative of this. It pretty much depicts the main entrance and how it's going to look.

So this is kind of like a three d rendering along Wilson Avenue. Here are the building elevations. This is the typical Spanish. The applicant added more shutters, wrought iron pot shelves, decorative tiles, and different color on the wainscope at the bottom of the of the building. This is the typical Italian eight, which they added more shutters, stone veneer at the base of the garage entrances.

Here's the conceptual landscaping plan. It's going to have a couple of what we see in California. You know, for example, they have a couple of shade trees, coastal live oak, blue Afghan pine, and magnolia. Also, they're going to have Tuscan blue rosemary, for example, and bottle brush as some of the shrubs that they're going to be including as part of this development. There's no palm trees.

So I know that Commissioner Hammond is not looking for any palm trees. So community outreach. The applicant conducted community outreach on July 23 at the Paris Union Student Union room. Out of three seventy eight mail notices, eight individuals attended who are probably here tonight. The applicant kind of showed or presented their revised project and also provided details on the dust mitigation that they're going to have.

They have water trucks out there and currently they're moving the dirt farther away from the residences. Also the developer kind of disclosed their commitment to complete the stockpile removal by 09/03/2025. So environmental determination as part of the sequel process, there was an ISMND that was circulated and we received three comment letters. California Department of Transportation and Riverside County Flood Control comments were informational in nature, and Eastern Municipal Water District commented that the project proponent needs to consult with their development services department prior to preparing a design conditions report. Based on these comments, all potential significant impacts have been reduced to less than significant with the implementation of the mitigation measures.

Therefore, of the comments raised additional environmental concerns that have not already been addressed in the ISMND. So staff's recommendation is that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council to adopt Resolution 2,507, adopting mitigated negative declaration 2,403 and the Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program and approve General Plan Amendment 20 three-five 247, Zone Change twenty three-five thousand two hundred forty five, Planned Development Overlay twenty three-five thousand two hundred forty six, Tentative Parcel Map thirty eight thousand seven hundred seventy five, Development Plan Review twenty three-nineteen to facilitate the proposed Acacia Point project based on the findings herein and subject to the conditions of approval. This concludes my presentation. I'm here to answer any questions that the commission might have.

Thank you, sir. At this time does the applicant have a presentation? I'm pretty sure they do. And just as always, state your full name and spell your last name for us.

Absolutely. Mister chairman and members of Planning Commission, my name is Daniel Boyd, vice president. I have entitlements for D. R. Horton.

It's a pleasure again to be before you with our revised proposal. Before we begin, I'd like to take a moment to express my appreciation to staff, this commission, and the members of the community that have devoted a substantial amount of time working through their concerns and comments. And we're very pleased to have done that additional outreach, and I think that was a very bright idea of this commission, and we applaud you for that. Before we begin, I have reviewed the conditions approval, the adopting resolutions associated with our application, and we are very pleased to accept the same as presented to you before your staff report. You know, we had a number of suggestions and recommendations from this commission, and staff outlined a little bit about them.

And I'd like to take a moment or two to expand a little more detail. On July 23, we basically reached out to to the community. And as you just heard, we had some attendance, and we were very pleased with the comments of the community. We we mainly mainly talked about a few things, and we dove into some detail, namely parking, landscaping, privacy concerns, and the status of the stockpile. The famous stockpile.

It is going away. The removal of stockpile will be completed no later than September 3, And that's two weeks from today's meeting. We're employing the daily use of water trucks. We have a full time monitor. We have on-site project signage. And yet, while I'd like to tell you this evening, we're a 100% dust free, we are not a 100% dust free. And so when the winds come up, we add more water. But I'll just be very frank with you. It's a twenty four seven operation. Unfortunately, our guys don't work in the evening.

But we do appreciate the concerns and comments from the community, namely from a couple of residences. But I can assure you, our commitment is solid. We'll have that stockpile done in two weeks. We have had a couple of discussions with a couple of our homeowners that have expressed their concerns related from rodent control to dirty swimming pools to other things. And so we've reached out to these two, and I'm pleased to report we've reached resolution with one of them, and we're working hard on resolution with the other.

And I believe she's here in the audience, and she can further expand on her concerns. But we're trying, and we're trying to reach out, and we're doing our very best. We do field phone calls every day. We just received one yesterday about dust control. But that's what we encourage. We encourage people to pick up the phone and let us know. So my office staff here, our management team can communicate to our field team, and so we can jump on those kinds of issues. I wanted to first begin by being very mindful that this project's stood dormant since 02/2004. It never really moved anywhere. And during that time frame, all the way to this date, the site was not maintained.

The property owner allowed it to go fallow. And as a result, we had a lot of trash buildup, and frankly speaking, lot of concerns and complaints from the community. So what we are doing with your support, we'd like to move the project forward, get it built, and have another community in the great city of Paris. That said, we are very particular about our changes. And I think basically what I'd like to do is first name we discuss the pad elevations between our project and the adjacent residences.

We prepare some detailed information, and if you are curious, we can provide that to you. But I can say that after all the concerns were raised when we after our community meeting, we realized that most of the pad differences are within tents. One does go as far as a foot, but by and large, we're fairly consistent. We also were able to show a section of what's between us and what's going to be between them. And that was very helpful for the residences so their anxiety levels were calm, so they could see the landscaping.

One of the items we committed to, to ensure privacy, was strategic planting of trees. So that we're just not out there throwing trees every 20 feet on center. And so we've opened up our arms to the residences so when we get to that point, we can be smart about our plan. The major modifications, which you've heard somewhat, is the biggie, the clubhouse. And we did some adjustments to the site plan to create the room for that that clubhouse.

The clubhouse is going to contain a kitchenette, an additional bathroom to what's already been provided in the pool house, and a meeting room. And from your comments and suggestions, that grew to about 900 plus or minus feet. But when you combine that with the pool room and the covered breezeway, we're offering a clubhouse in totality of just about 1,800 square feet. That also allowed us to readjust some of the open space. And I believe it was, one of our commissioners that suggested that we have I'm looking right at you.

We had, obviously a comment is, why can't we provide something that is as really open so that people that come to the clubhouse can have parties, have birthdays, and those kinds of things. Simple, but needed, and we provided it. And so we're excited about that. The next item, of course, is that we had a lot of architectural enhancements to the project. And your staff basically enumerated those between the two styles.

And of course, we brought that back to the ad hoc committee to make sure that we were on the right track. And I believe from that standpoint that we are. We've had additional changes to the plan, namely the swimming pool. One of the comments was, I believe, was a chair that commented on the see, I write these things down. So the pool itself has been substantially enlarged. We've gone up to about little over 900 square feet, almost a 50% increase. So we put a lot of emphasis, as we should, on that clubhouse facility, including the pools. We did a number of other things. I mean, obviously exciting for the dogs. We eliminated one of the dog parks, which wasn't very large.

But through the site plan modification, we were able to actually increase a new dog park up to 3,500 square feet, up from about 400 square feet. And we're putting in the associated amenities that you typically would see, the fountains for the dogs and all the waste and so on and so forth. And that is a gated feature. So we made those changes. We we think at this point, while we we we hope that, we we're going in the right direction this evening, we also did another major renovation, and that we included much larger turf areas for open space recreation.

And from that standpoint, as you heard, we did make architectural modifications to our elevations. I don't need to repeat those, but I think after the ad hoc committee meeting, I'm hoping that the committee agreed that at that point, we're on the right track. Parking. Parking is a big deal. Well, through the site plan modifications, as your staff reports indicated, we're able to increase the parking by a surplus of 20 spaces.

We have a total, though, of 62 guest spaces, and they're split between street and guest parking. And so basically, that's an addition, of course, to the residences' two car garages. And I may add, it did come up. I just want to remind the commission that our governing documents in the association will control the parking in those garages. There will be monthly inspections as problems persist.

Doesn't mean that someone can't store a box here or there, and of course, are trash cans. The primary use for that is parking. We've also, as part of our required street improvements, we basically on Nuevo excuse me, Wilson no, excuse me. That's right. Nuevo, we're going to be striping, no parking. And on Nuevo, we're going to basically be making street improvements to there as well. There is no question. We listen to the community. There are concerns about parking. But I think overall, not only do we comply with the city's ordinance, but we passed it.

And we're doing our very best to make sure that this project on a long term basis doesn't create a problem. And so from that standpoint, I would conclude that we have our staff here, our design staff, if there's any questions. Mr. Chair, I do respectfully request that the public hearing be reopened in the event there are questions that the applicant can answer, either from yourselves or from the community. That concludes my presentation. And of course, I'm ready to be peppered with questions. But I hope you all, with your smiles, agree that D. R. Horton takes this very seriously. And we have a number of projects in the city, and we've been a good neighbor in the city.

We've had previous experiences. This is one of them. And we're very happy to come back and, I think, present a better refined project for your consideration. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Stay close. At this time, do we have any questions for the applicant, for the city? I mean, questions for the city and the applicant. Feel free to go. Thank you, sir.

Thank you so much for the presentation. I had a question in regards to the the vinyl fence that's gonna be on the south and east side of the property. Is that gonna replace the current fences that the neighbors have?

No. Actually, it's a great question. I appreciate you bringing that to our attention. We met with the homeowners. The existing fences of the homeowners can stay if they so desire. Our new fencing will be abutted up to their fence. If a homeowner wants a new fence, we'll put it in for them at no charge. We have to have coordination, we have to have permission and those kinds of things. But we shared the fact that the existing fences from the homeowners with all their stuff in the backyard stays in play. Unless they would like a new fence.

Now that gets a little complicated because you have one here that says yes, and four down here that say no. So there's a little bit of staggering. So what we would want to do is work closely with staff and make a determination of how that's going to look. But we gave that choice to the homeowner.

Okay. Perfect. And so where the where the vinyl fence is, there's not gonna be much traffic, much pedestrian traffic. Right? There's a there's a large buffer?

Yeah. There's a buffer. Okay. And and and again, another great question. If you look at the cross section, you'll see there's a V TIG that comes down. We have an upslope. We have landscaping. And then ultimately, we have the homeowner improvements on the other side. So there's a substantial distance between those two structures.

Okay. Perfect. I I I was just asking because I was a little concerned about the integrity of the material. But since there's not gonna be a lot of pedestrians in that area, it shouldn't be much of an issue. But thank you for that.

You're welcome.

And I want a clarification on the the bike path on Nuevo. Is that gonna be included on Wilson as well?

Is that

No. So is so Wilson

Don't think so.

So Wilson will allow parking, street parking. Yeah?

Yeah.

Okay. On on Webull, can we also include signage that says no parking anytime?

That's already in there.

Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much. Okay. No further questions. Thank you.

All yours.

Just to clarify, no pickleball courts?

Correct. Gee. We you're gonna miss that.

I'll come up with the reasoning here in a minute. You don't have it in front of you, but page 3.6, there's some locations on the elevations that specify occurs at enhanced deck conditions only. What are those enhanced conditions?

I'm gonna have there he is. The best person for that would be our architect.

Yeah. Just state your full name for us and

Good evening. Yeah. Good evening. My name is Dan Duke, and I work with WHA. We are the architects on

this project.

Spell your last name for us.

D u g a n.

Yeah. Okay.

The enhancements on 3.6 are the additional items we added that go along Wilson Avenue that are faced from the public street.

Okay.

So all the buildings that are going down Wilson Avenue will have these additional pop outs on the side with the roof and the and the detailing in the middle of that.

Okay. I appreciate that. Currently, that's all I have for this

moment. Currently.

Currently.

So just to clarify, there is only there's one dog park in this. Correct? Only one

one large dog park.

And it is large. Right? I was just looking at the the Cornhole Courts and I'm envisioning like a small one for the because it's at the other end

of the

community. And I don't know how popular Cornhole is. But I mean, but that's why I'm I'm working on it. But I don't know quite sure what my question is yet.

Well, I do know kids love it and it's also quiet.

That's yeah. Fair. Teens do love it. And then we did just have the one three d rendering. Right? The one of the entrance?

I'm sorry?

Sorry. There was only one three d rendering? Yes.

That's correct.

The one of the entrance? Okay.

That's correct.

Those are my I don't really have too many questions right now.

Okay. Thank you.

I'll let it

move on.

I think the only thing that wasn't answered from our questions to ad hoc was you also are a fellow tiny dog owner. We had asked because a lot of the dog parks are for bigger dogs. So things are at a bigger level, like the drinking fountains and things like that. So that's the only thing I didn't see out of all the requests was any modifications within the dog park for for tiny dogs?

Well, to be frank with you, I don't know if we actually considered the small dogs versus big dogs. It's it's such a large area that it wouldn't be very difficult at all to have some chain leak separation so smaller dogs can play on their own. Dog, for example, likes to play with big dogs. And so it's kind of a mix up. But it's a large area, and it doesn't necessarily mean that what we see today, the homeowner association may want to make modifications to that.

Right. No. I was thinking more along the lines, like, of the toys because, you know, my tiny dog thinks he's big, and he thinks he can jump through the big hoops, and he thinks he can bridge the big water fountain and climb on stuff that he can't. So it was more along the lines of just thinking about the the closer to the ground doggies.

Understood.

Yeah. That was the only thing I think that we brought up at Ad Hoc that I didn't see mention of.

Well, I think again, and and feel free to comment that it's a large area, one. And number two, it's gonna be completely secured and gated from the association standpoint. If it turns out that homeowners feel, as you do, that there needs to be some separation, I don't think that's a

No. Not worried about separation. I'm worried about adaptation so that baby doggies can have access to stuff. Not so much about the separation, just things that they can have access to as well and opportunities for them to interact with.

I actually am worried about the separation. As a like you said, a small dog owner and they're reactive, the size could be one mile. If there's a dog that they're trying to get at or, you know, angry with for some reason, they're going to get there. So, I think some sort of separation. I know most dog parks that I go to do have a separate area for the small dogs, you know, just separated by a I think that would definitely be preferable and helpful for

Well, I'm I'm happy to accept the condition. If you'd like that modification, we can commit to that. Or we can work with staff. Whatever's easy.

Thank you.

I don't see

a problem.

Okay. Thank you.

Oh, okay. I I won't drag it on too long. Yeah. Thank you for coming back with the I think one of my the only thing I was looking at was it says pool building and actually we should differentiate that being a clubhouse. So in here it says pool building, but actually we're talking about a clubhouse.

We're actually talking two things. We're talking about a clubhouse Mhmm. And we're talking about the previous pool building. Mhmm. And inside that pool building, we've got, oh, well, showers outside of that pool building and the bathrooms inside.

Yeah.

So what we did is we took a kind of a comprehensive review of the design combining both of them. They're technically separate, but they're combined with an overhead covered breezeway. So it's one large facility, if you will.

Okay. Well, on the plans, it says clubhouse, then it says pool, and then you have the way they make the changes. So I'm looking at what we have here, where it says clubhouse is separate. So is that the case, the clubhouse is a separate building?

That is correct.

Okay. The

clubhouse is a separate building.

That's why wanted to end. It wasn't here as a clubhouse, it says pool building.

Right.

So we need to make that distinction for us, the average person, not you guys, so that they know the clubhouse is not a pool building in and of Right. Okay. And the reason my daughter's in a townhouse and technically what she's in San Diego is not a townhouse, but I won't get legal on them. But the clubhouse has a kitchen in it. And that's one of the things that's missing in this thing is a kitchen in the clubhouse. And also storage area was not specified. Storage area would be tables, chairs, which she has in hers. Right. And this is anecdotal, but it's also current. They love that. I mean, nobody in that was seeing that that entire building if you didn't have that clubhouse. Nobody.

Right.

But they have chairs, so we rented the tables. I was just there. You rent the chairs, you put them back yourself. And you have a kitchen. If you don't wanna be outside in the winter, you cook stuff inside. That's missing in that. So that may be something that I'm looking at as a possibility inside the clubhouse.

Well, actually, we've already accommodated for that.

Okay. But I didn't see it on here.

Well, we'll have to look at the floor pan. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay.

We are including a kitchenette

in

Okay. In in the clubhouse.

Yeah. I didn't see it on there. That's the only it just has a building that says storage Okay. And w c, whatever that is. But

We should be provide you with a floor plan, but we are providing those amenities.

Yeah. So that would be one it's not, you know, it's just one of those things, obviously, HOA would control all that we expect. But the idea that clubhouse should have that in there

Yes.

Because it

has And it does.

Very important. And you can have all kind of meetings. You could have smaller ones. Could do the HOA. We'd have meetings, things of that nature.

The majority of the square footage is predominantly a large meeting room.

Yeah. That's the whole point.

And that's the whole point.

Yeah. And correct.

But we do have a countertop kitchenette. We've got another bathroom. It's a unisex bathroom. Mhmm. And so I think we have all the kinds of bells and whistles that you're sharing with I we just need to have a floor plan that shows that. But we can work with staff to make sure that is

included. So that that was the only thing that that thank you for putting it in there, but I just didn't see that. It ticks off because my daughter happens to be in one, so I'm saying, San Diego's little different than you guys. Okay? But, that's the sale thing there because we had something that was perfect. Put tables out, take tables up.

You got it. Done deal.

Okay. A hundred hundred people, not a problem. You put the tables up Yeah. You pick up the trash.

That's right.

That's what we do. So otherwise, they charge you double. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. So that was my only thing. Also, lastly, lighting. The entrance, we don't have a nighttime rendering of the lighting, but when you come in the entrance, is there gonna be up lighting there, inside of the bollards, or the lighting bars where you walk, because we're talking about walking condominiums are totally different apartments.

Right.

Because where she's at, it's so clean you can eat off the ground. Yep. But, the idea of walking at night and having those lights is a big difference.

Right.

You know, and you don't want all you're on a main street, you're not like when she's off in some place. Main street, so you want that lighting so that they can walk to the dog park at night. Sure. You can walk over to the what do you call it? It's not pickleball, but it's Cornhole. Cornholes. Yeah. See how old I am, too. But, either way that is walkable and you have a walking trail in there, but that was my Lighting is should be throughout this whole thing. Mhmm.

And, obviously, security. It's a big deal over in this area. But if you're gonna go in and you wanna walk at night and people wanna walk their dogs, you know, and for those of you dog lovers up here, walk your dogs over to that park which is way over that side, you wanna have lighting so it at least feels safe. So it's a safety this is a public safety commission. Right. So that's my thing. So make sure we have adequate I think lighting is mentioned here, but I don't know what detail. Level of detail. But the idea, like you see here, lighting when you come in, you shouldn't have lighting there.

Right.

Enough lighting where it's obvious what you're going into. This is a condominium townhome. Right. And so that that would be my only thing to make sure that that's mentioned in there. If it's not in detail, we're gonna have more detail about that. Lastly, I'm really being short tonight. The basins that are there, we don't want weeds just all over there. They should be maintained, they should have some semblance. I've seen some great basins that look so fabulous planting, since we don't have planters here. You know, landscape planters. Something in that basin which I know that I'm pretty sure the homeowners are gonna association will be doing. But then we because it's softened away, well it's gonna be noticeable, you know. And so water goes in there. It's never gonna be, you know, ten hundred year floods. But the idea though, it just doesn't look like a bunch of weeds, you know.

So, that should be maintained and we wanna make sure they're engineered, that that is something that's maintained and that's part of those HOA requirement that at least be some maintenance, particularly one in Nuevo because that's the one that's the most visible. And, we're gonna have that we don't have an RRTA bus stop there, do we? Because that wasn't one of the requirements. They didn't I'm sure they saw that they didn't even ask for one, did they?

Yeah. No. Not not at that location. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't even know if there's one farther down near Paris High School. No. I don't even know if there's one there. By By Paris High High School. It would make sense. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Pretty much the other one's for staff. Think the wording for the one year maintenance that I always talk about, the one year maintenance that refers to public works number five. I don't remember seeing that in here, but the idea of the wording for graffiti and that will replace by the same color, not just painting something. But the idea of one year maintenance, I know they have to do certain things, there should be one year maintenance. The same language should be in this and all the other ones.

One year maintenance because we're pushing, we really push landscaping here and maintenance and we just you know, it has to be done by HOA. We just wanna make sure it's in writing to understand that this is something that should be maintained in perpetuity. Right. Really. So that's that's pretty easy. I'm letting you off easy today.

You got me last time.

Yeah. So I think that was it for me with that wording and I think there's not in there. Number 45, I think it's number 45 or 46. But, we should relate to public works number 5. And I think that's pretty much are the are the picnic we know we have a picnic area shading. But all the seating and all the other things, do they have shade? I know we had a umbrella shade, but that's over all benches and all.

Well, there's shading structures at certain locations. I can't tell you every single location.

But Yeah. Yeah. If there's a shade structure, we're in Paris. This is Like today. Yeah. So you you a shade structure might mean, you know. Yeah. At least to be beneficial. Some people want if you wanna sit in the sun, go sit on the grass, that's fine. But if you're gonna sit there on a bench and be a 100 degrees, you might want some shade. Okay. In in this city.

Yeah. You look if you look at your amenity illustrations Yeah. You'll see

The types.

That you've got some shade structures included.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think that's it for me, believe it or not. Now, you guys have any other questions?

Yeah. I have another one.

Mhmm. Was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on the visitor parking spaces. So I saw here that you guys have 62 spaces. How much did that increase from the last proposal, the last meeting? And is this including potential parking on Wilson or strictly just on-site parking? On-site. Okay.

Yeah. There's 62 spaces. 60 yeah. 62 spaces of guest parking, and that's broken down between the street, the private streets, and the designated guest parking along the amenities. And so there's 62 in total. When the site plan modifications were completed, as staff has reported, there's 20 additional surplus spaces as part of that. So it's dispersed throughout the project. And staff should have the ability to tell you where they exactly are, but I can. They're basically split between the streets and the guest parking areas.

Got you. But how much did it increase from the last time you presented to us?

That I don't have an answer for, but hang on one second. Two.

Two spaces? Two. Okay.

Yeah.

Alright. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Yeah. One thing and it's lastly I'll say that one thing about is difference between like where she lives townhome, you don't really have unlike apartments where they're all on the street. So different what kind of meetings and townhome. So you know, I can walk driving here, there's space and there's another space, six spaces, another two. It all works out in condominiums and townhomes. Apartments are dope different ballgame. The apartment across the street over there, they're all on the street. The apartments, they're all on the street. The condominiums different. And townhomes are totally different.

So, 62 is a lot of spaces for that. And, it's just the difference between apartments and condominiums is a is a Grand Canyon, you know. And, Wilson, you can park on Wilson, probably shouldn't have to. Unless you have a party and you Nuevo is out of the question. That that's this Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, that was it. And, if there's nothing else? Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

At this time, we'll open it up for public comment on this agenda item. And anyone having a public comment is welcome to come to the podium and address the commission for three minutes. I don't know if we have any blue sheets. I don't think we do. Okay. So if anyone would like to comment on this item, you're welcome to come at this time. Just state your full name and spell your last name for us. We don't need your address. We don't need that address.

I'm Tamina Martinez and I live, I believe it's behind

Okay.

Where all the high dirt is at. Okay. Now, I have one question. I'm not too good about distance. I wanted to know how far are they gonna be from my home where where their buildings are gonna be at.

Because I wanna make sure there's not gonna be an alley back there where now we're gonna have people, you know, going into that alley which, you know, we could might not have our privacy. So that's one of my main concerns. So if if they're gonna be fenced all around, we wanna make sure, like I just said, on the distance, we'll make sure there's not gonna be an alley where I live at. And, I also would like to know how far is how long is this going to take for them to finish building their condominiums because we do have a concern about the noise and the dirt that's been going into our home. And, also, what is it that we have to do if we do decide we would like a new fence put in our home?

Those are my questions.

Okay. Thank you. Hopefully, you got them down while we try to get we won't up here, but we'll let the staff and or developer ask. Any anyone else? Okay. Before we get to an answer on those. Mhmm. Thank you, sir. If you just state your full name and spell your last name for us.

Alfredo Adriano, a d r I a n o. Yeah. He's met a lot of my concerns. The dust, again, I called their office yesterday, and they had six feet above their machinery of dirt still floating around. They took care of it. I I don't you know, I'm not I am complaining, but actually, how are you gonna know if somebody don't complain? And also, that's a wind tunnel between their buildings. I live where she lives next door to her. It's a wind tunnel. And I raised this concern before, the type of trees.

And they said that they would probably talk to you guys because you guys have a format of whatever trees are supposed to be there. And I would ask that there be no pine trees because of the high oil in pine trees and that, you know, maybe they'd be some kind of, a myrtle tree or something if they want beautiful stuff. You know what I'm saying? Because that's a wind tunnel. Every day around this time, there's no wind out there right now, but it it's horrible.

I mean, canopies just go flying everywhere, umbrellas everywhere, and I don't think anyone's really raised that concern for that area. And that's my own concern is for fire. If one tree goes and the old tree goes and our our lots go in the back, so that was a a concern of mine. Again, he's they've met other things of my concern up to this point, but one thing was raised up about lighting. I I just didn't even think about it.

What kind of lighting are they gonna have on the back of those buildings facing us? Are we gonna be blinded in the evening time because the lights are on all night long? I don't you know, are they gonna have scallop lighting where the light comes down, which would be great? You know what I'm saying? Are they gonna have stuff so it it doesn't affect us when you go outside and we're you know what I'm saying? It's it's horrible when a neighbor puts up a light, and it's right in your eyes. It's right in your bedroom's eyes. You know? So those are the two major things I had. Yeah.

Can't think of anything else. I appreciate your time, and appreciate the condo. I do appreciate the condos there, but I don't know what else to say. But I think that covered it. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Anyone else? Okay. Uh-oh. Sorry, I didn't see you. State your full name and spell your last name

for me.

Luis Gomez, g m o e z. I was concerned earlier. He has spoken about the the problems about the pools. Well, I haven't got an agreement with them at all. My pool's still getting dirty every day, and I'm spending beyond money on cleaning it and stuff like that. That dirt is still as high as it it's been. They they lowering in it, but all they're doing is just moving it. They're not taking out. They're just moving it around. That's all they're doing.

But the pile is still way up there. My my fence is six foot, and it's way higher than that still. It hasn't went down for nothing. So that's my that's my concern that we haven't got an agreement on none of that with them. And we spoke when we had the meeting with them at Paris High. And they just said, well, we're gonna take the dirt down, but it's still high as it is the beginning. And my other concern is, like, what he said about the light. I have a pool. I have a big yard. And if I'm gonna be out there wanting to relax in the dark, I'm not gonna be able to with those lights if they're gonna be having those type of lights.

And then another concern that I'm seeing is that they're saying they're gonna put trees to block our privacy. Are they gonna put it in front

of the windows of the properties?

As what I understood last time, they said they're gonna put it on the sides. So the windows are gonna be able to whoever rents or buys or whatever are gonna be able to look into my property. That's my concern also there.

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Anyone else before we go to the developer? I mean the applicants, sorry. Oh, at this time, we will allow the applicant to respond as we always try to do.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the first point regarding the potential for alleys, no. There's no potential for that. There'll be no alleys in those areas at all. Number two, lighting. Lighting will be subjected to the approval of a lighting plan. And when we look at the lighting plan, staff will make sure that these kinds of concerns that we're hearing are absolutely avoided. We don't want spotlights going into our neighbor's yards, of course. And to your point, mister chair, yes, there'll be ballers.

There'll be directional lighting. There'll be ample lighting within the in the so so we can promote safety. As far as the and the gentleman spoke to the trees, that comment did come up. His concern is flammability of potential trees. So I think staff can pretty much make sure that that we're not gonna get a tree specimen that's going to have a potential to have a flammable concern.

With regards to the pool, that was a lady that we're trying to work with. We don't have an agreement yet. She proposed an offer. We proposed a counteroffer, and we're still working on some resolution. But frankly speaking, the stockpile is being monitored fairly closely by your staff, including photo documentation almost daily. And if you look at it, I mean, you could say, why is this not gone in two days? Well, it takes time because we are simply not pushing dirt from one into the next. We're bringing it into the ground so that the dirt goes away. But we're fully committed to the September 2 date. So that we don't see a problem with that.

And we're in close communication with Nathan almost every other day. And we exchange photos every other day. So it is high on our priority list. But it will be gone. And once it's gone and subject to the approval of this commission and city council, of course, we'll be moving forward. To the last question was the duration of construction. Well, frankly speaking, grading is always a big thing, right? So when we get the grading plans approved and we finish the grading, the land development, which is your water, your sewer, your utilities, all those fun things that you need, takes about four months to get situated. That's after plan approval. And so we need to get the plans approved.

So say four to five months, maybe a little longer, but not much more for actual development. But mind you, as we proceed with development, we're building things too. We're building perimeter walls. We're building sidewalks. We're installing landscaping. We're getting we're putting in the streets. So each day, these issues that we hear will be going away. But from start to finish, from when we actually see a model sale or models opening, it could be several months. But frankly speaking, we're shooting for right around that one twelve month time frame. So hopefully in the next ten to twelve months, you'll see models up and running and then we move forward from there.

Okay. Hopefully, they addressed all of them because I didn't write all the questions down. But hopefully, unless they have I missed something. Okay. Okay. And I think

Quick question for you, sir. There is signage around the perimeter of the property for dust control? Sure.

There is a on-site sign, yes, posted with a phone number, contact information, and that's how we get generate phone calls.

AQMD, Air Quality Management District, Riverside?

Yes. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

Do you have the knowledge or would you be able to speak to the the concern about the landscaping, as it aligns with the windows of the property and provides privacy?

Right. Well, first of all, we'll have a landscape plan that will be reviewed and approved by staff. And one of the commitments we've made to the community, particularly along that area, is that strategically we'd like to pit trees where it benefits both properties. We're just not going to arbitrarily go out there and start planting trees. So the idea is that we want to use the trees as part of our natural screen.

And so what will happen I think is we'll be presenting a landscape plan. We'll sit down with Nathan and staff and work through it. And then at that point we'll make some decisions as to what we think. But at that point too, I mean, we're open arms with the community. We don't have any problems working bringing the community involved to make sure that what we're doing is beneficial for both.

But we have to remember, the city sets the standard, they set the specie types, and they have certain specifications that we have to comply with. But I don't think this is going to be a huge issue for us. And I think that basically with the tree planting, we can basically avoid some major issues. And frankly speaking, from a line of sight perspective, when you look at our second story, our line of sight really comes down to the existing fence line. So it's not like we're on top of their backyard, right, peering down on the Jacuzzi.

You have to remember, they've got a setback between their existing wall plus or minus 15 to 20, maybe in some instances more than that, right? We too have a setback with everything in the middle, the landscape trees. So you have an enormous setback from building face to building face. And so it's not like you've got buildings five feet of separation. That's not the case here.

Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Would you clarify what that space is from your where your your gate fence will be to the closest building?

Sure. Absolutely. We have a diagram.

I see it. It's on it's on our plans, but, you know Yeah. It's a little bit too small.

Go ahead. You wanna speak to it? Sure. Okay.

This is our

oh, I gotta sneak in. Ryan Woosley, w o o s l e y, d r Horton. So along the East P L, we have a separation from the fence line p l to our structure of 26.9 feet. We're assuming ten, fifteen foot minimum rear yard setback on their side. So that's around 37 feet, 38 feet distance on the east. And on the south is 30 feet between our best guess on their setbacks. We don't have everyone's exact setback.

Would it help if we show the site plan?

We're not showing the presentation on our end. We're looking at the agenda item. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. This is helpful. And, can I ask staff a question? Typically, if this was not townhomes, what would be the setback if this was, our 6,000?

So typically, you know, a conventional subdivision would be like 20 feet. And then, you know, if somebody wants to build a patio, they could go up to 50%. So technically, they could go up to 10 feet

from So this is more than if they were building single family homes that were still R 6,000?

Yes, because they have a buffer.

They have the buffer? Okay. So a single family home could have that patio, and it could be at 10 feet, technically.

Yeah. That's correct.

And they said south was 30 feet. Is Was I correct in my notes? Mhmm. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

Okay. It's not zero outline, don't worry. Yeah. If he knows. You very much and we close the public comment portion unless there's anyone else. And, we move to discussion of the planning commission. Wake up Isaac. I

just want to start off by thanking the applicant. Thank you for your willingness to to listen to the residents and to us, the commission, and ad hoc. You made a lot of changes to the project. We do appreciate I love the inclusion of the the clubhouse. I thought that was amazing, and I love the elevations for the for the pool house as well. It looks really nice. I was a little bit concerned about the parking, but I do note I do recognize that you have two parkings for every unit. Hopefully, So, that's sufficient with the extra point five spaces for for visitors, and that doesn't include the Wilson parking the outside parking. So I I hope that's not an issue moving forward, but the elevations are beautiful. It's 36% landscaping.

So I think when it's all said and done, I think it's gonna be a very beautiful community, and I'm looking forward to seeing this built out.

I also wanted to say thank you for being so flexible. Thank you for being so receptive to our million comments and concerns. I really appreciate you bringing back the project and making so many changes. It it really means a lot. I'm always excited to have more high density housing, so I'm really excited for this. Again, with that adding that conditional approval that we have a separated smaller area for the for the small reactive dogs like mine. I really enjoy this project and I think it's a really good one. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, small dogs. I

also want to thank the applicant for being so flexible, open to having the ad hoc, and really taking into account everything that was said by the community. The Planning Commission in our statements and questions the last time, I do want to echo safety for the little ones. And by that, I like the tot lot. We need a little tot lot for the doggy area. Also, I think one thing that wasn't mentioned and was not highlighted was the monument sign.

And that was something that I had brought up during ad hoc. And I wanted to commend it because it's beautiful. I felt like it was missing something. And I was the one that requested the one three d rendition of that because I really felt like it was missing a catch, something to catch your eye to know where to go in and really accentuate what was inside. One of my concerns too during ad hoc and during this meeting was the proximity to the neighbors and their houses, because I also really appreciate my privacy.

And that's the reason I asked for the normal typical distance or setback for a single family home. And because this is further out, that does give me a lot of peace of mind. I agree with the alleys because teenagers like to fly not just teenagers, people in general. We like to find little quiet areas. The good thing about this one when you look at the layout is on the south where the residents existing residents are.

Thank you. There is a little walkway, and the way the houses are positioned, they actually have windows. So, like, you know, you have your window open there because there's no neighbors in the back. So I feel like that would be an added safety reason, where it's not the garage, it's not hidden. It's something that any of those people living on that south border can look outside and see what's happening in that walkway between them and the residents in the back.

I like the extension of the clubhouse, the additional parking. I know it was something that I was asking for. I especially appreciate that in our plans, we had a very detailed parking analysis with how many parkings, but there was also a trash day pickup and where they would be because what usually happens is it's parking one day, and then one day out of the week, it's a trash collection, so nobody can park there. But there's no overlap. Those will remain as parking spots, and you're not losing those spaces for trash day, which was extremely important so that you're not scrambling for parking one day a week.

And I want to appreciate the community for coming out and voicing your opinions the last time, this time, and continually reaching out to the applicants and making sure that we do what we say we're going to do and continue to call. They've been very, very professional, very responsive. So community keep reaching out. This is they want to work with the community. They want to make the community better. So please, let's continue having those conversations.

I wanna thank the applicant for for the presentations and the time that they they spent on this project as well as listening to, planning commission and the community is what their the needs are and what their desires are. I think by doing that and, spending the additional time for in the from the last meeting till now made a slightly better project. So I appreciate that on your end. I think people, your residents will be appreciative, and the neighborhood community will be appreciative of that. I do like of course, I do like the architecture a little bit better now.

It'll explain the the color schemes a little bit better. So everything in in from that point forward, it was an improvement. So, the clubhouse is a great addition, which is much desired. Thanks to, commissioner Hammond for his input on that. But, so I'm very well supportive of this project.

But also moving forward, there's a couple there's one thing that I would like to remove from the items, and that's just the pickleball courts as stated in there, which they're not providing any. So I don't want any miscommunications in the in the future that pickleball courts in there. So the document can gone be gone through and move pickleball courts from the entire documents everywhere.

Thank you, mister architect. It's nice to you too today. Yeah. I just I'm not gonna prolong this. I'm absolutely ecstatic about the idea of this project. We need a lot more. In fact, I'm kind of not really nice to the city by not having more, but you're need multi family because every other city around here is doing it, including Irvine. Mhmm. Can you believe Irvine with apartments? Yeah. They said, you can't sit fiddlehead. Now they can't get enough of them. We're way behind. But we need quality. And one of the things we demand is quality, landscaping, we're gonna constantly Everybody comes before us, you better have landscaping ready.

So one of the great things about this is the ad hoc committee. So they will kind of filter things and so when they get to us, they already know us, we know them, we know each other. So if they're asking questions, we don't have to ask a lot of them. That's what makes this go faster than that six hours. Because you have a headhark. I appreciate everything to the design. The lighting is a concern. Security is already a concern, but I think that's good. That'll be done. The dirt's gonna be moved guys because it's construction, you're gonna have dirt.

It's not gonna look like that. Okay? And I think one of the things is the need for multi family housing being pushed by the state of California is absolutely necessary. You're gonna see this and they're gonna push it down. So we might as well do it right, do it nice, and do it in such a manner that gonna be quality because you're gonna get a lot more multi family housing in areas that you would say that we have to do it. Okay? So, one of the things I like about this is in condominiums we had one that's on Barrett or in that area where you live. That was the only one and I went to I'm probably the only one here that went on a tour there. And, you know, how we did, we got in there, but that was it, you know, for a long time. I mean, maybe fifteen years since you do that, but now this is a start on a major roadway on a major street.

So I appreciate it. I think the only distinction I'm making when we get this to the amendments is make sure that we say the word clubhouse as separate from pool and pool building because it's not the same. You wanna sell it, you wanna sell a clubhouse. Because anybody can use a clubhouse, you know, but the clubhouse is key. Any kitchenette in the clubhouse and a storage area for tables and chairs, mandatory if you wanna make money there. So, if you're charge HOA fees, they're gonna want a clubhouse. And, I just know because my daughter's the one. And they want it. These are 30 year olds. They're not even going in there unless they have it. They say, we're not going in there unless you have clubhouse. I'm 60. They're 30. They're the ones buying. So guess what?

You're gonna put a clubhouse. So, I'm not gonna charge what they charge, they're ridiculous. I'm not tell you what they charge it. But the idea is it's something that it could be beneficial. So, appreciate it. I'm not worried about the parking because there's more than enough spaces with more than adequate, especially when you talk townhome condominium. Park apartments, a little different discussion. But, I don't know, and I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm right. You're not gonna have that overflow on Wilson. I just don't think it unless there's a special event, really special event, and probably should go to the Emporium or Saint Laurent Paris High or something. But, yeah, don't think that's an issue, the parking. So, thank you. Thank you for for all the concerns. Thank you for all the design. And, once again, hopefully we can get this up if we do approve it fast.

Know, it's ten years from now waiting for an apartment. But at least I think we hopefully answered all the questions and I appreciate it. And good luck. Okay. Will there be anything else? Okay. Alright. We exhausted that one. At this time, we're looking at a general plan amendment 23 dash zero. I have to do this for legal reasons guys, not because I wanna read.

Okay? General plan amendment 23 dash zero five two four seven. Zone change 23Dash05245. Plan development overlay zone 23 dash zero five two four six. Tentative trap map, 23 dash zero five two four four.

And development plan review, 23 dash zero zero zero one nine. Proposal considers the following entitlements to facilitate the construction at 01/1941 townhome style condominiums and amenities are 11.6 acres located South Of Nueva Road and East Of Wilson Avenue. The general plan amendment and zone change to change the land use from one eleven point six acres from r 6,000 single family residential to m f R 14 multi family residential. Last, development overlay to allow flexibility in the m f r 14 development standards, tentative track map to consolidate 57 parcels into one condominium lot and two lettered lots, twenty eleven point six acres, and development plan review for review of the site plan and building elevations. And, where requested action is obviously adopt I did it to myself.

That's what I get. Okay. Hold on. Oh, she actually has it here. Give me a second.

See what happens when you have technology. Adopt resolution 25Dash07 recommending that the city council adopt mitigating negative declaration number twenty four zero three and the mitigation monitoring and reporting program, and approve general plan amendment 23 dash zero five two four seven. Zone change 23 dash zero five two four five. Plan development overlay zone 23 dash zero five two 46. Tentative track map 23 Dash zero five two four four, development plan review 23 Dash 00019 to facilitate the construction of 141 town homestyle condominiums and amenities 11.68 acres based on the findings contained in resolutions, subject condition of approval, and we do have some amendments.

A correction to add the public works number five concerning one year maintenance, and I believe it's number 35. Make sure there's no references to pickleball in the court. The other stuff like home, the dog park, that's maybe an HOA thing, but that's an HOA consideration.

Graffiti painting and panels?

Yeah. It's in there. Yeah. Yeah. Fortunately, the graffiti part is.

And, I think the storage well, that's again administrative. That's one of those to make sure that the clubhouse has the kitchenette and has a storage area. It would be four tables and chairs. And, I think there might be a restroom in there. But, that was not on the plan, so the plans match what's in here. Was there anything else? Think working

with staff for the type of trees placement along the borders, but that would also be

Yeah. To exclude pine trees because we live in Windtella where I'm at, so I know the Windtella. Yeah. Not African sumac. Thank you. But, yeah, I think that was it. So, we have that? Okay.

Mister Chair, did you get the condition of approval for separation of the dog park?

Yeah. I wasn't sure if we wanted to make that a condition or is that something as a condition? Yes. Because I don't know if that was in there at all, was

it?

It it wasn't the separation. Right? It was more amenities for large and small dogs.

Well, separation she made.

I said that, but then Commissioner Menace preferred a section where it could be separated for the

smaller dogs. Yes. Thank you for the clarification.

The dog lover is up here. Okay. And that would be a COA. I don't think that's in there now, but that would be a COA. Number of I don't even know what number. I'm not looking at it, so whatever the last number. Okay. Okay?

That could be added as a planning commission planning division condition of approval number

40Something? I don't

know. E

45.

45. Okay.

Prior to issuance of occupancy permits.

Okay. Thank you. And at this time, if we have no other things, we would have a motion to approve or draft approve.

I'll make a motion.

It's a motion to approve from commissioner Isaac Lopez.

I'll second.

And seconded by commissioner Jimenez.

Commissioner Jimenez? Yes. Commissioner Manes?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez?

Yes.

Vice Chair Shively?

Yes.

Chair Hammond?

Yes.

With a vote of five to zero, this motion is approved.

Thank you very much. Get started. Turn it on unless you need to take a quick break. You okay? Okay.

Item six b, tentative parcel map 25 Dash 00007, TPM 38528, and development plan reviews twenty two zero zero zero two two, twenty three zero zero zero nine, and twenty three zero zero zero one zero, continued from the 08/06/2025 meeting. Proposals are considered the following entitlements for the development of Nantes Street trailer storage and maintenance yard on three separate sites totaling 9.72 acres located along Nantes Street between Nevada And Webster Avenues within the general industrial zone of the Paris Valley Commerce Center specific plan. Number one, tentative parcel mapped to consolidate eight parcels into one parcel for Site 1, totaling 5.61 acres. And development plan reviews for the site plan and building elevations of Sites 1 And 2, each proposed to be developed with an 11,700 square foot mechanical service and maintenance building with outdoor trailer storage with Site 3, which is supposed to be developed as a trailer storage facility. Applicant, Lake Creek Industrial, And Matthew Evans is the contract planner who should be up here.

Requested action, adopt resolution number 25Dash15. Adopting mitigating negative declaration number 2405, and the mitigation monitoring reporting program. And improving tentative parcel map 25Dash00007, and development plan reviews 22Dash0002223Dash0009, and 23Dash00010. To facilitate the Nantes Street trailer storage and maintenance charge on 9.72 acres based on the findings, continue resolution, and subject conditions of approval. And even before I get to the staff is what they're going to say, I think the idea is that do we have any ex parte communication, side visits, or ad hoc committee meeting?

I went to ad hoc for this one.

Okay.

I had an ad hoc and I drive there frequently, but I actually did a site visit and sat in that area for a bit.

Okay.

Nothing? None for me.

Okay. Yes, I was in that area. Also, on a note, we have a, well, memorandum from commission well, planner Matthew Evans to the chair and members of the planning commission. Item six b, comment letter pertaining to I don't wanna read all the TPMs on this one. From Curt Hines, base civil engineer on behalf of March Air Reserve Base.

Mister Hines is requesting that this item be continued next planning commission meeting for the following reasons. One, project is adjacent to the clear zone and located in accidental potential zone one, a p Z 1, and MARB Airfield. Two, there is no development allowed within CZ and limited development permissible in a p Z 1. Additional time is necessary review the Department of Air Force and federal guidance to support compatible development of land as defined within the Paris Valley Commerce Center specific plan. And three, manpower deficiencies and sudden unexpected loss of planning staff are placing additional requirements on March Air Force Base, BCE for internal DAF priorities and external community relation actions dated 08/20/2025.

And the actual memorandum of is also attached from the Department of Air Force, Air Force Reserve Command, 08/20/2025 for the record. Okay? And then we'll ask Citi how they want to proceed with this.

Thank you, mister chairman. We do have a presentation. However, the applicant would like to address the commission at this time.

Good

evening, chair, members of the commission, and staff. My name is Christine Saunders representing Lake Creek Industrial. And we would agree to the request for the continuance out of respect to our neighbors and to make sure that they have the time that they need to review the project. We've provided the plans to them after the last planning commission and have been working with them since then to facilitate that review. It just hasn't been completed at this point. We also have planned the project specifically for that proximity to March Air Reserve Base, and we feel confident with our determination and with staff's determination that it's consistent. And I hope that that will be the conclusion when we come back to Planning Commission.

Okay. I'm not sure everyone understands, I don't know if you do, mister Brown, about the March Air Force C zone, B zone, CLEAR zone. Maybe a staff person can maybe go through a brief explanation of whether this is and that way one way or another voting is just explanation of clear zone versus the runway zone. I think I do because I did type up a whole entire thing about it, but maybe not all of us do.

So just to make it quick and easy, the clear zone is a zone where there is no structures are allowed. And the proposed project does not propose any structure within the clear zone. It's adjacent to the clear zone. So that's the quick and dirty explanation Thank of a clear

you. Very good. We use you all the time, Patrick. Okay. So it is your and of course we're still going to do public comment. So, as a developer, you're willing to do a guess it would dates would not be a date certain. So, we just have to have off calendar?

A date certain Right. Be requesting

So, the next planning commission meeting would be on September 17. September 3 meeting will be canceled.

Oh, okay. September 17. Okay. Okay. That is a request. But, anyway, we still wanna have is there any public comment on this item at this? Seeing none, no public comment on this item. So it comes back to the commission for a we have a date certain, 09/17/2025 in the council chambers here since I'm

And just for clarification, being that we're continuing this item to a date specific meeting, we're not going to send notices to as as required by law.

Yeah. Okay.

And to clarify, it would be at the regular meeting time.

Yeah. Okay. It says it it has been agreed to by the developer and it's been requested and we do have the I'm I'm pretty sure you have a copy of this, Sylvia, of course. Okay. So, everyone has a copy of it and the requested letter, the backup letter, everything. So, we just need to take a vote and get a motion to move this to calendar date 09/17/2025 as a continuation.

I'll make a motion to continue this item to some September 17.

I'll second that.

K. Move by oh, you got it. Okay. Commissioner Lopez, seconded by commissioner Jimenez. Okay.

She knows her voices now. She doesn't even have to look back. She knows all her voices.

Commissioner Jimenez?

Yes.

Commissioner Jimenez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez? Yes. Vice Chair Shively?

Yes.

Chair Hammond? Yes. With a vote of five to zero, this motion is approved. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much. Last chance, anyone wanna take a five, ten minute or we're good?

We're good?

Okay. We're good. We move on to item six c. Specific plan amendment twenty two dash zero five three eight zero, tentative parcel map 22Dash05379, TPM three eight seven three o. Conditional use permit 25Dash00004, Development plan reviews, 22Dash00037 and 22Dash00038.

And variance twenty five dash zero zero zero zero one, continued off calendar from 09/10/2024 city council meeting. Proposal to consider the following entitlements to facilitate a mixed use project on 16.91 acres located on the south side of Ramona Expressway, Green Paris Boulevard, Redlands Avenue in the commercial zone of the PVCCSP. Number one, specific plan amendment to rezone 7.13 acres of a larger 16.91 acre site from commercial zone to multifamily residential, modify the development standards table to increase the building height from 30 feet to 50 feet, and the land use table to allow self storage facilities, the commercial zone with a conditional use permit. Two, tentative parcel map to subdivide two parcels into five parcels totaling 16.91 acres. Three, conditional use permit to allow one to allow 181,000 square foot self storage facility on 5.4 acres.

Development plan review number four, for the review of the site plan and building elevations for two freestanding sit down restaurants totaling 9,000 square feet, a four story 107 room hotel on 4.31 acres, and a 204 unit multifamily residential development on 7.13 acres. And, number five, variance to allow reduced side yard setback for the self storage facility. Marwan Alabasi and the contact planner is Nathan Perez again. Okay? Requested action.

Didn't get enough the first time. Adopt resolution 25 dash 19 recommending that the city council certify the final environmental impact report. Identifying alternative four as the project as the project adopted mitigation and monitoring program statement of overriding considerations related to air quality, cumulative greenhouse gas emissions and noise, and findings effect. An approved specific plan amendment twenty two dash zero five three eight zero, city of departmental map twenty two zero five three seven nine, conditional use permit twenty five dash zero zero zero zero four, development plan reviews twenty two zero zero zero three seven, and twenty two zero zero zero three eight and variance twenty five zero zero zero zero one to facilitate the construction. Multi family resident development, a self storage facility, a hotel, and two sit down restaurants on 16.9 acres based on the findings contained herein and subject conditions of approval.

And as always, I think I said, ex parte communication, ad hoc committee meeting, and or site visits.

I'm curious. Ahead. Go ahead.

I had driven by the site and had ad hoc meeting with them.

I drive by the site each day.

I had ad hoc for this project.

I also served on ad hoc, and I drive by there every single day, multiple times a day.

Yeah, I've extensively been by this project site and sat on Dawson Street. Didn't get a ticket either, that's what sparked it. But extensively, so I very much know this site. After thirty five years, I should know this site. Okay. Okay. There you go, mister Perez. Alright.

Thank you, chairman Hammond, for that introduction again. The third item we have before you is the retreat at Lake Parish project, and the applicant is mister Marwan Alabasi. Some background information about this project, if it looks familiar, is. On 09/10/2024, the city council voted to continue the project off calendar. And the reason why is because they wanted to ask the applicant to explore an alternative concept without a warehouse building, and instead of having a warehouse building to have a residential development.

The applicant has updated the draft environmental impact report to include alternative four with this site design layout. Well, not this one, but the next one. Project modifications. On 04/10/2025, staff facility facilitated an ad hoc meeting, which the ad hoc expressed the need for the following, and I'll read it from the slide, provide ADA compliant secured trash enclosures, provide a conceptual landscape plan that includes half diamonds throughout the parking lots, to provide a wall and fence plan four, to provide additional landscaping along Dawes Street frontage five, revise building elevations, colors and designs to be consistent with the apartment three d rendering And six, to provide a path of travel from the multifamily residential development to the proposed shopping center. The applicant has revised the project plans to address the Ad Hocs Committee's recommendations.

Now some of the modifications, as mentioned earlier, the applicant is no longer proposing a warehouse, but they're proposing towards the rear near Daw Street, a multifamily residential development of two zero four units, also as shown in the yellow area. Also as part of the modification to the site plan, they're proposing a self storage consisting of 181,000 square feet, which is shown in the red rectangles. So the project site, if nobody knows where it's at, it's between well, it's along Ramona Expressway between Ramona, Daw Street, between Paris Boulevard and Reliance Avenue. The site is currently vacant. To the north is vacant also.

To the south is an industrial building, which is Whirlpool. East is Camper Resorts of America, and to the west is Park Place mobile home community. This is some site photos early in the morning of the site looking south. And here's a site photo across from Daw Street looking north. Now the project site is currently zoned commercial.

However, the applicant proposes to rezone 7.13 acres from multi family to commercial to multi family residential to facilitate the apartment community. Here's their overall site plan, which consists of three components. The commercial component is on the right hand side along Ramona Expressway. They're still proposing two sit down restaurants and a four story hotel which will have 107 rooms. To the south, which is on the left hand side, is the self storage facility, which consists of six buildings totaling 179,000 square feet and a 2,000 square foot caretaker's residence.

Multifamily residential development also consists of two four story buildings totaling two zero four units. And I'll get into details in the next couple of slides. Here's the site plan commercial. It essentially, as mentioned earlier, has two sit down restaurants. Building 1 is 4,000 square feet.

Building 2 is 5,000 square feet, which are depicted in the blue area. There's a four story hotel, which is shown in the orange area, which has 170 rooms and also a pool as a facility for people who stay there. There's two thirty nine parking stalls and four RV stalls, and there's two points of access, one along Ramona Expressway, which is a right in and right out only. And they will also have access to the properties to the south, which would be the multifamily residential. Here are the commercial renderings.

I know Commissioner Jimenez loves these, which depict, you know, the way the restaurants are going to look. And also the main entrance off of Ramona Expressway, as you can see there. And there's no palm trees. I mean, I know it's depicted down there. It shows down there.

So here's the building elevation for Restaurant Number 1. And if you notice, it has an outdoor eating area. And Restaurant Building Number 2, and they both have different styles of architecture. Here's the building for the hotel elevations. If you notice, it has a four story building with a main entrance towards the north portion of the building.

So city staff has reviewed the commercial component, and it complies with the commercial development standards and also parking. Now, the second component is a self storage which replace, you know, a portion of the warehouse site consisting of 179,000 square foot self storage facility consisting of six buildings a caretakers facility, as mentioned earlier, which is shown in the yellow actually the orange box 19 spaces and 43 recreational vehicle spaces. There's also a 14 foot high decorative screen wall along Dawes Avenue, which is on the left portion of the slide, which will conceal, you know, any type of RV vehicle that's going to be stored at that location. Two points of access are proposed, one off of Dawes Street, and there's one towards the front, which has control access that they have to go through the caretaker's facility. Here are the building elevations for the self storage.

And city staff has also reviewed this and it complies with the commercial standards and also parking development standards. The specific plan also is going to allow self storage through a conditional use permit. So that's one of the specific plan amendments that's proposed tonight. Here's the site plan from a multi family development. To the north is on the right hand side of the slide.

It has one point of access, which you basically have to go through the commercial shopping center off of Ramona Expressway. And then the second, which is the main entrance for the residents, is off of Daw Street. If you notice there, there's two zero four units, one hundred and sixteen one bedroom units and eighty eight two bedroom units distributed through two buildings that are four stories high. There's three ninety six parking spaces, two zero four covered spaces, especially when it gets hot out here, you need to park it underneath a carport. And some of the amenities that were provided is a pool and spa, poolside restrooms, community room, fitness gym, outdoor lounge areas, and barbecue stations.

The majority of the amenities are centrally located between both buildings to allow, you know, easy access for all residents. And here are the building elevations on the multifamily residential. As mentioned earlier, it's four stories. And here's the typical carport elevation. And here are the renderings again.

If you notice, there's different views here. One is off of Daw Street towards the rear entrance. And then if you notice, you kind of have kind of like a perspective of what type of amenities the apartment community will have on the bottom right hand corner. City staff has also reviewed the project and it complies with the multifamily residential development standards and parking standards. So environmental determination and environmental impact report was prepared for alternative four, which included a second notice of availability for a forty five day review comment period, and there was only one letter received from Riverside County Flood Control, which was informational.

The EIR concludes that all impacts that have been reduced to less than significant or have been reduced to below the significance level with the implementation of mitigation measures, except for impacts related to air quality, cumulative GHG emissions noise, which have been identified as significant and unavoidable. Therefore, an adoption of statement of overriding considerations for air quality GHG noise would be required in order to approve the project, which the council will have to approve it. Staff recommends that the planning commission recommend to the council adopt resolution twenty five one nine certifying final environmental impact report identifying alternative four and approve the specific plan amendment, tentative parcel map, conditional use permit and development plan reviews and variants to facilitate the proposed mixed use projects based on the findings herein and subject to the conditions of approval. This concludes my presentation. I'm here to answer any questions.

Thank you, sir. Once again, thank you. Okay. Obviously, we are if our applicant has the oh, go ahead.

Mister chair, if I can just clarify, the statement of overriding consideration is only for air quality and greenhouse gas emissions. Right. Not for noise. No. Okay. Thank you.

Oh, it's not for noise. Okay. So we can take that out. Anything noise would yeah. Okay.

And as we know you are, but do the routine. You state your full name, spell your last name for

Good evening, commissioner, chairman, staff. My name is Marwan Alabasi. I'm the applicant. And, special thanks to Nathan, of course, Patricia and, Brad and all staff that worked in this. And thanks to the commissioners to have us in front of them for the second time. And to the members of the ad hoc that joined us a few months ago. You may recall, like Nathan said, this came in front of planning commission last year. And we got the votes to move to council. We did move even a few hours at Planning Commission, a few hours at council. We saw some concerns from the community and from council about the project that we had.

So we went back to the drawing board and we went to a different alternative. And we took into consideration the many speakers that spoke at Planning Commission and Council. And we decided to go in the direction that people were asking. They wanted some residential. And we all live in this county and the state and we know the shortage in housing. So we figured apartment was the way to go. And again, thanks to my team here, by the way, my wife Liz, my son Ramzi, Corinne, and our architect Greg and Ryan, our environmental consultant for any questions. So we went to the drawing board and we saw the everybody kind of liked the front, which is the hotel and the restaurant. So we kept them. We just kind of flip flopped them, moved the hotel to the east.

And we decided to go with the recommendation of doing the residential and the storage. We did some studies and we saw there is a need for both, especially in that area. We made changes after the ad hoc. We made changes after talking to the community and planning commission and council. And we think we have a project now that we'd like to think that could move forward and hopefully get it built. It's a large project. We're a small developer. It's probably over $100,000,000 project. So we're phasing it in phases, the economy and the housing and the interest rate. But we definitely intend to build all of it. Unlike the warehouse, it's not contingent upon what goes first. So we'd like to see all of it build and it will all get built. This is my presentation. If anybody have any question, I'll be here to answer.

Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Again, any questions for staff and or the applicant at this time? I know you do, so don't hesitate.

Thank you for the presentation. My question is in regards to the hotel. Commissioner Jimenez brought up a really good point with the last hotel that we had in regards to the pool and the privacy with the screening. So what what type of screening are you guys providing around the pool area for the hotel?

I think we even addressed that last time with the commissioner Herman commissioner Herman as we had enough we added more landscape in the back. And now we moved it to where the storage is there, and we're actually utilizing the wall of the storage units itself. And we have an eight foot wall, so there's absolute full privacy from the storage area. And we have the hotel itself screening it. We have a lot of landscape like commissioner Jimenez requested at that time. And we added plenty of landscape around it.

But is it gonna be a wrought iron or a block block wall?

The block wall will be between the storage and the hotel.

Mhmm.

The pool itself, there'll be some wrought iron around

the With with landscaping around?

Correct.

Is it gonna be like bushes, like hedges?

Or Correct.

Okay. And then for the RV parking, I see there's RV parking at the hotel. Is there going to be any regulations in long term parking for the RV?

This is only for residents. The hotel, as we you may have the AVID, which is for kind of overnight stay, and we have the extended stay portion. Extended stay, most people stay three, four, five days if they come in for an event. We don't it's only for the residents, for the hotel residents. For the hotel.

So the managers will be in charge of the parking lot? Absolutely. Okay.

It will be signed, That overnight parking only for residents, there'll be stickers signed. I'm sure you've been to hotels where they give

you Yeah.

Course. Stickers. So it'll be we have RV parking at the storage. If somebody wants a long term, that's where they park.

Perfect. And in regards to the apartments, there's not gonna be any garage parking. Right? Everything is just carports and and outdoor parking?

That's correct.

Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

I was looking at your plant palette here, and I really like it. However, I do have one minor nitpick that I wanted to know if you'd be interested in changing. Plant number 33, and it's a milkweed. It's a desert milkweed. I know it's, like I said, it's a nitpick.

We actually have the migration of monarch butterflies goes directly over Paris and actually goes near the area of Lake Paris. I was wondering if you would be able to change that desert milkweed to either a California milkweed or a narrowleaf. I know it's very minor nitpick, but that first one that was it's actually harmful to the monarchs and I was just, you know, it's a small change. I was wondering if you'd be able to do that.

I would say absolutely because I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah. I figured.

Well, I'll say yes.

But it's it's a small change, but it's big for the little guys and I don't know.

Just I will I will accommodate Yeah. Was that was it.

Yeah. Thank you.

You're talking Greek to me, we'll do it.

Sorry.

We we are here to accommodate. It took us a year from the last time we went to council because we really wanted to come with a with a product and the amenities. I know Nathan read some of it. We wanted to make this, especially the apartments, make it affordable yet a bit luxurious. I mean, at the pools, look at the kids pool, look at the spa, gym, conference area. So we wanted to make it affordable, not necessarily affordable housing label because we were asked not to do that. But it will be not for lower income, but it will be affordable.

That was the extent of my questions right now. Thank you.

Mr. Olivasci, you have five phases in your current plan. Do you have an estimated timeline on total completion of all five phases?

We intend to do all the off-site work, all the underground in the first phase. We will we're looking at probably two to three years for all five phases. Like I said, it's over $100,000,000 project. It's a good sized project.

So in one portion of the storage facility where you're storing the RVs, the portion that is not bordering the RV resort, you're showing a a bourbon wall. But the portion that's on the east side that is bordering the RV RV Park doesn't have a burned walls. It's gonna be a 14 foot high wall on both sides?

It's either the unit itself or wall. The entire parameter is gonna be either the building walls or a parameter wall.

And then single story elevations for the single story unit on the West side is do you know what the height is that? Is that going to be 14 feet?

I will defer to Greg, our architect. Probably 14 feet is the safe assumption.

Yes. Think it says 14. East and West, right? Yeah. Hello.

I'm Greg Simonoff, S I M O N O F F. And that is a single story building. Will have clear height of about 10 feet inside. And we would assume that that building would not be any higher than around 14 feet.

Alright. I'll pass the torch to for others to question, and I'll come back.

Good afternoon. Evening? Evening. Quick question. Did we lose any square footage on the restaurants when we did the modifications?

Absolutely none.

Did we lose any on the hotel?

Nope. We just flip flopped them for privacy because we figured the hotel had better privacy about the storage.

Okay. My next question was do you have a color or palette sample of the colors because I don't think they're coming through very clearly?

Yes, we do. And you know

how I am about colors.

We changed colors. We had it gray and a lot of requests came in to go change. So we've changed the colors. I hope you will be satisfied with the change.

Yeah. You know it's gray. Alright. I wanted to look at the colors because I think with the apartment, sometimes they look a little bit drab if they're that color where they're just too tan, too too brown. They can look a little bit drab, especially when it's four stories and there's just so much. So I just want to look at the colors for a moment. I'll give somebody else a chance to ask.

Take your time.

I wanted to direct my question to engineering. Is there going to be any restrictions that's going to restrict people from parking on Dawes Street? No. So there's no parking? Wait. Currently, there's no parking? Okay. But Oh, and it says? Okay. Alright. No worries. Thank you so much.

Yeah. I missed the ticket. Was sitting there. I got a ticket. That's why I know.

You still you see that? Go ahead. Go ahead because I got a lot.

It'll be quick.

Yeah. I have another question. Do we have a potential tenant for the self storage facility?

Are the tenant. We're going to build it ourselves.

Okay. And then should it be transferred over to a new tenant or anything in the future? Is there anything guess this is more so for staff. Any way that we can ensure that the color scheme of that self storage remains as is presented rather than just because it's so close by to to homes. Think this is a real I I like this color scheme and and I would like it to stay that way even if ownership changes.

The change of color would have to go through an administrative development plan review process reviewed by staff. It wouldn't come back to you. Okay. But, it's noted as part of the minutes and the record that this is the preferred color scheme for the self storage.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Or you want me to go before you

Go ahead.

Okay. Because I might be long.

That's okay.

Okay. I'm gonna talk enough to where they're gonna think or whatever they're gonna think. A few points, some may be for staff and some may be for you, but mostly probably some staff stuff. We need to make a correction because the plans have to match. So we're saying a 30 foot driveway, which is actually 42 feet, and we want to reflect 42 feet, which I'm completely saying that is a width why they didn't have to be able to have it? Because you only want interest on Ramona. So it's we're talking 42 pieces so that they match the plans. So in engineering, it says 42. The plan say four thirty, it's 42. And so it's gonna match whatever the engineering says. So that's what

That's a long story. But yes, I agree. We definitely will do it.

They put it in there so it's no

Yeah. Brad is aware of that. Think we talked about it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He's smiling. That's why. Also, I'm picking on engineering today. On Dawes Street, it says southbound traffic. I think we mean east and west. So I think the engineering, it talks about when they do egress or that it goes south and it's not really south, it's east west direction. So when you come out of that driveway, it would be on Dawes. It would not be North South. It would be East West. Right?

Mhmm. Sorry. Is that is that condition five Yeah. Second bullet?

Yeah.

Yeah. So if you're going out of there, it's gonna be southbound.

We're Coming on Dawes, you're gonna go

Coming out coming out of the site, you're going southbound. Coming out

of site, you're going out

of the you're putting a stop sign for that southbound movement out of the site.

Oh, of the site. Okay. I wanna be very clear about that. Can I say, wait a minute? Am I directions that bad?

I know. It's just out of the site putting a stop sign. That's all.

Okay. Okay. So, $1,000. Okay. Okay. The other thing, obviously on Ramona, you were suggesting a deceleration lane, which you're gonna be from the end of their property, not Farmer Boy's, but the end of their property all the way to Redlands. Is that what's proposed?

Right. So in front of their property, it's conditioned to be 61 feet from the median southerly edge

Mhmm.

And they're proposing to go above and beyond and go east of their property Mhmm. To accommodate a right turn pocket into the neighboring property Yes. Exactly.

Okay. Okay. So we don't make that turn have to be a real

Right. Yeah.

That would that would be a nightmare turn.

It'd Keep everyone who's turning right off the main line.

Okay. Okay. A few more and I'm talking so that I can kinda clear the way for you guys. Also to how do I do this one? We're talking about, going back to what he was talking about, a 14 foot wall on the east side and a 14 foot wall on the west side to the portion where particularly south of that community or clubhouse of Camp Resort, I'm calling it a clubhouse, I'm probably not. But, Camp Resort, so that would be 14 feet. That would that would be screening the any of those RV parking which is part of the storage, I'm assuming.

Correct.

Yeah. So that would block that there. So if it's 14 big difference between eight and fourteen. Right? So if it's 14 feet and then right now there is just no really no fence on the southeast corner. It's it's it's just not there. You know, I see the they're they're just parked in angles there, you can just walk right across. And I said that the last time. So that would make a big big difference, you know, and especially safety and security for those people parking that would be parking there and storing those there. That would be important.

I've I've got a few issues so be be patient. I talked to building the building and safety person and this is more of a something that I do on particularly on COAs and particularly engineering as a reference to elevator codes and you have elevators proposed on both buildings. And so some reference as a condition for engineering, I would imagine, to say that would be title 22 and I won't title 24 part two, I won't get into all that CBC. I don't wanna make it a assumption, but something that would be absolutely mandatory. At least make that such because you have ADA requirements and safety requirements, is what they are mostly about.

And that is a concern, accessible. Those kind of things are necessary. And if you're building elevators, particularly when you have public, having done ADA elevators, they're not nice people. Let's just be let's just put it that way. But the idea is that it's not only safe security, but it's a necessity that we at least make a reference to make sure that they are you know, the spacing there, the handlebars are there. You have the disabled. If a person is is blind, they have the the finger sits. All that has to be there. And so regardless, whether the first Floor or second, you if you put that elevator that has, you know, those one of those requirements. So it's really a ADA and a safety issue.

And if something goes wrong, want that certification in the elevator. So a reference to which is not even in here at all. I'm not assuming anything because I was a city employee, so I don't assume anything. I know better. Thirty five years as a city employee, I know you have footstep in writing. So it's best even if it's not it, I tend to do it because I did it because I wrote contracts for city of LA. So I know. You know, 116 pay contracts and one of those things is minor things would get you in trouble. So that's what I'm requesting and it's just really a statement. So if we're gonna put them in to make sure that they adhere to the title 24 and I'll leave it to you guys administratively.

Not gonna say specifics, but administratively to discuss and that would be something that the building inspector would do, that would be something they would do, but just we met to make sure that there's an understanding that it needs to be up to code.

If I may actually, it's regulated by the state.

I

know. So it it will be inspected. I've had them in my buildings in the past. Right. Yearly inspection certified. So, yes, I'm definitely ADA

Right.

Compliance.

Right. So I just wanna make sure that that's not that anyone doing, but I wanna make sure that the city understands that that's my request, that there at least be some reference to that.

Patricia, can we just have make sure there's note in there for the California elevator code in there?

Yes. And I was I was looking for the building and safety conditions that we can can add it in there because that would be the appropriate location for

that

condition. Yes, it's within your purview to add in for clarity.

Believe me, I'm going easy on you today. That was a major one. Think Yeah. I think that covers pretty much. In the in parking summaries, this is for future notes, we talk about the number of parking spaces, we talk about that, but we don't say the number of ADA parking spaces.

So if you have x number number 292, how much of those were ADA? I'm not gonna worry about EV, but ADA parking spaces as numbered on the chart. It might be mentioned on there, but I mean on the chart, we always put the chart and we don't say, we just say total parking spaces. It would be nice to do for here and future reference to say, of this total, we have a total of 10. We total eight. And, it depends on square footage, it depends on all that other stuff, but you gotta have them because this is federal. And so, least the number in the chart, and I think it may be more staff report, but I didn't see ADA on there. I saw the number of spaces.

Mhmm. Yeah. I I I understand your your concern. ADA parking spaces are regulated by the California And Building in an attempt for us not to make any errors in our calculations or in our staff report, We refer to the we defer that calculation to the building official when the plan check when the plans go through plan check review.

Yeah, and I would look at say based upon the square footage net, what is the requirement? Now, whether or that is something we would have to do, that would be beneficial. But, the requirement for the number of spaces, you have to have a certain amount of ADA parking spaces, period. So you gotta have them. And so, this is what's required whether that's actually something we put in, you know, that's the building inspector. But I would like to at least have what is required for the total number of spaces as a percentage. In everything. Don't care if it's LA, Downey, all of them have it.

Right. We don't. All the jurisdictions are covered by the California building code. Yeah. Maybe the architect can provide us a percentage of what would be required, but what I'm trying to explain is that as part of the planning process, it would be difficult for us to provide a percentage of ADA parking spaces because that's outside of our purview. That's within the purview of the building official.

Then we can make, we should make reference to the fact that this is something that would be, even if it's an asterisk based upon this the California code, this would be a requirement spaces. If we're saying 292 spaces, it would be determined by

It's a percentage of the required spaces.

Exactly. Exactly.

There there is a chart that goes with it that lists the number of spaces Yeah. And what's provided. We do show the accessible parking on our plan.

Oh, yeah. On the plans. Yeah. So it would just match what would be on their chart.

And to apply to

Yeah. To Yeah. So I'm just saying it would it would match what they would have on the chart. So if they have on the you have number spaces on your plan, would just match their estimated.

Yeah. And and we do have a condition of approval number 33. It's ADA compliance that reads, the project shall conform to all disabled access requirements in accordance with the state of California title 24 and the federal Americans with Disabilities Act ADA. So, are covering that respect but it's outside our purview and that's why we don't include it in our calculations for parking.

Okay. Well, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying if you're showing it on the plans as a certain number then they probably should just this is estimated that they're going to have nine spaces. They estimated they have six. So, I'm just saying I'm matching the plan. The chart is not part of the COA, so that's probably just Yep. It's not easy. Easy.

The money well taken, we'll do a better job next time to ensure that the project plans include a table that shows the number of Right. 88 parking spaces

Mhmm.

And EV charging spaces.

That's all. Yeah. Thank you, Patricia. Everybody got me time to get questions in? Go for it. I got a

few. I clarify something?

Mhmm.

The wall in the east side, it was brought to my attention by mistake. It shows eight foot wall. It'll be 14 foot wall.

That's what I thought.

Yeah. Yeah. Just want to clarify it. Thank you.

So that goes back to what you were talking about.

I apologize if we called it eight in the plans, it's a 14 foot because we need it for safety anyways, for security.

Mr. Chair, so if at the end we can make a condition of approval requiring the 14 foot high wall if that's the desire of Yeah. The Planning

And I think the condition would that would be modified would be 44 B.

Right.

Double I. So we could take out east from that and then add maybe four and add along the east a 14 foot high wall.

Okay. And eight foot on the west?

On the east side.