Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

1st, 2026. And it's not April Fools on this meeting. We do have a meeting today. And welcome. The weather's nice. And we're happy to start once again at 6:03 6:04 p.m. At this time, we'll have a roll call by our commission secretary, Commissioner Gimenez here, Commissioner Menz. Commissioner Lopez, Vice Chair Shley here. Sherry Hammond here.

Thank you.

Thank you. At this time, we move to item three, the Pledge of Allegiance by Commissioner Himenez. United States.

Thank you very much. And we move on to presentation item four. And there's no presentation that I know of. So we move on to item five, consent calendar. Item A, approval of planning commission minutes, March 18, 2026 meeting. At this time are any corrections, deletions, or admissions? I think we do have.

Okay. any it looks like it looks the way it's written. Okay. Uh okay. We were looking to check. So at this time we don't have any corrections, deletions, additions. Okay. We open it up for public comment on the consent calendar item A. And if there's any public comment at this time, we open it to the public. Seeing none, we close the public comment portion and move back and for a motion to approve consent calendar item A. Make a motion. Oh,

okay. We have motion a motion by vice chair Shotti, seconded by Commissioner Jimenez. Yes.

Commissioner Jimenez. Yes. Vice Chair Shley. Yes. Sher Hammond. Yes.

With a vote of three to zero, this motion is approved. Thank you.

Thank you very much. And we'll move right on to the public hearing item. Item 6A a tenative track map 25-000010 TTM39378 and development plan review 25-00008 a proposal to septify 1.82 22 vacant acres into one lot for condominium purposes to facilitate the construction of a 37 unit condominium development located on the east side of G Street at the terminus of second street in the urban village zone of the Paris down Pacific plan. At this time, the requested action is adopt resolution number 26-08 finding the project is categorically exempt from California Environmental Quality Act review pursuant to section 15332 infield development projects and approving tenative trackm 25-000010 TTM 39378 and development plan review DPR2-00008 based on the findings contained herein and subject to the conditions of approval. Approval and as always is there any exparte communication ad hoc committee or site visits

done for me. Okay site visits as always literally always going by this project for 30 years. Okay. Thank you very much. And at this time we turn it over to the city Alfredo Garcia for the city presentation.

Thank you chair for that introduction. Always appreciate it. Good evening everyone. As mentioned, we have before you uh the residential project along G Street. A little bit of background on this project. On May 30th, the 2023 city council approved the 37 I don't know what happened there. The 37 unit condominium project on 1.82 acres with the following changes. To add rough iron fencing to secure the property along G Street. to replace the copper accent color on the building elevations to include a shade structure in the playground area tot lot to replace a decomposed granite with plant materials and to include a hose bib inside the trash enclosures for maintenance purposes. Unfortunately, applicant didn't proceed with the project and the entitlements expired. Uh therefore the project has been sold to a new owner and they would like to proceed the previously approved residential development including the modifications that have been done to the site design. A little bit of context. Uh the project site is located in the Paris downtown specific plan area uh with an urban village land use designation. Some of the surrounding uses include a single family residence to the north. To the east we have the Country Hills apartment. To the west we have the Diamond Environmental Services uh commercial use. And to the south we have the existing Paris Villa Apartments. Here's an image looking at the project site of the terminus of Second Street. Here's an image along G Street looking northeast at the subject site. And here's a view on G Street looking southwest at the subject site.

With respect to the site plan, um as mentioned, they're proposing 37 units on 1.8 acres. Um the product is 10 detached three-story buildings. Each building will consist of three to five attached units. Um garages will be equipped with EV charging stations and the buildings will have solar incorporated into them. Amenities and recreation areas uh include uh a tot lot, barbecue areas and open space. Uh for the parking, there are two uh enclosed garages uh for each unit, plus an additional eight guest parking spaces. Primary access will be along G Street on the west side. As far as walls and fencing, to the north and the south, there'll be splitface block walls. To the west, we have the tubular steel fencing with pilasters. And to the east, we have an existing block wall, which will be stuckco. Here we have the conceptual landscape plan with 16.3% landscape coverage. With respect to the urban village uh development standards, they are all consistent and they are all met and exceeded in some cases. Here we have before you the 2D elevations for building one. Uh the architecture did not change from what was previously approved by the planning commission and city council. The only change that was done was the copper accent color that was asked to be changed uh which was changed to a beige color. And here we have the elevations for buildings 3 8 9 and 10. U Miss Hervitzu could you please hand out the material board? Thank you. As you can see the architecture is modern with uh various articulations both horizontal and

vertical. uh and the use of the brick uh as far as an accent material that was incorporated and the horizontal shiplap as well. Uh the earth tone colors that were provided match those of some of the surrounding residential um units to the south and to the east and the single family home to the north. And here we have the elevations for buildings 2, four, five, six, and seven. With respect to the environmental determination, the project was categorically exempt under SQUA as an infill development project. Therefore, this evening, staff's recommendations is for the planning commission to categorically categorically exempt DPR200018 from the California Environmental Quality Act. Uh, I'm sorry, that should have been DPR25008 uh from the California Environmental Quality Act as an infill development project approving DPR20008 and tenative trackm 250010 based on the findings and subject to the conditions of approval. And that concludes my presentation. I'm available for any questions that the commission may have. We also have Mr. Winston Lou who's the project engineer and architect of the condominium project. Thank you.

Thank you very much sir. And if our applicant would like to uh make a presentation please to at this time just for our sake could you just state your full name and spell your last name for us. Uh my name is Winston Leo. Uh we are the licensed architect and engineer for this project from WW Land Design Consultants company located in the city of Upland. Uh we are here you know we read all the condition approval. Oh could you you just spell your last name for us just for the Winston Leo L IU my last name? Mhm.

Okay. Our office is located in 2235 West Foothill Boulevard. Yeah. Yeah, we have read the draft of the condition approval and uh I'm here today also on behalf of the new property owner. They have the transition, you know, so they are willing to moving forward the project, you know, so to start construction ASAP, you know, so our office has start prepared all the construction documents already. Yeah, I'm here answer whatever question you have here. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. You may want to stay around. I'm pretty sure we're going to have some questions. So, um, that was it at this time. Do we have any questions for staff and or the applicant? Because I do. Great.

Um, this one is for staff. Um, with this type of development, it says it doesn't require any additional parking because they're providing two per condominium. Is that standard? But both of them are going to be inside the garage. Correct.

That is correct, Commissioner Himenez. So, the way the code reads, the development standards for the urban village is two vehicles per unit that are over two bedrooms. So, they're all two bedrooms. So, twocar garage for each unit. Um, the guest parking is actually an above and beyond proposal from the applicant. It's not required by the specific plan. Um, so there's an abundance of of parking, so to speak. Okay. And is this a I was trying to refine. Is this going to be a gated community? Correct. HOA. Yes.

Who is going to monitor that? there isn't parking in front of the garages. Is there a plan for that? Well, it would be embedded into the CCNRs not to allow people to park in front of their garages because it will also block fire access as well. Okay. So, it' be added, but it isn't really stated anywhere. It's it's a condition of approval not to have cars in front of the garages. And who is going to monitor? Is there going to be around the clock security or how is that going to be monitored around the clock?

Correct. Yeah, we'll we'll put in into the CCNRs or that some kind of security person will monitor. Sorry to interrupt. There's no need for security. at the reason when we have a homeowners association they are the ones who monitor that to make sure that that the conditions of approval are satisfied and that is included as one of the conditions of approval um it's um 10F in the conditions yeah it reads uh not park in front of the garages and shall not block access to private streets and that's something required to be

and that and that's required to be in the CCNR is condition uh stated in condition number 10. Okay, I saw that just because I'm very familiar with these type of developments and I see it quite frequently where people still park. Yeah, they st they still do. They may, but they're subject to the regulations of the of the covenant and and the homeowners association, like I said, it's the one who is going to enforce these rules. Okay. All right. So, it is a gated community, correct? Okay. Uh that's it for me for now. Okay. Um, there will be solar on these. Correct, sir.

Okay. Currently, it says it's proposed on their plans. Proposed solar. Yes. I mean, until they get to But it will have solar. Will have solar because it's required by code. when we loop here. I'm sure I'll generate some questions, too. Um, okay. I I have some questions, I guess, for both. Um, engineering questions, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I'll limit it to two hours. Okay. I'm being nice. It could go three. I'm going to be two. Um, yes, sir. No. No. One question. Some of basic technical stuff, but M

um between buildings five and six. Is that an open grass area? Cuz it doesn't really say on the site plan or anything. Five. Five and six to the east side. There's an open grass area and I'm not sure what that is. So, is that an open play area or what is that? Correct. Yeah, it's an open green play area. We probably should identify that on the site plan as an open area because it doesn't say here. We're just assuming that it's kind of an open area because it everything else leads into that based upon the drawings. Yeah. The walkway. Okay. Open area where families can play volleyball or, you know, picnic or something. Right. Okay. Which is good. I just I just wasn't sure. Absolutely. No.

Not a detention base. Um, if there are monument signs to mark this place, where is it located on this map or the site plan? Cuz I'm not seeing it. So, the monument sign is located, if you look at the arrow that's pointing into the site. Yeah, it's the square, that little rectangle here that I'm zooming into, right? Small. That is our sign. Nothing facing the street saying this is the correct. So the sign will be perpendicular to G Street.

Okay. And and Chair Hammond, if I may add, um this is the the location of the sign is more conceptual just to denote that there is going to be a monument sign. Um any signage required for this project will have to uh will be going through an administrative sign review uh by planning. I guess my concern if you look at G Street, you want to see that this is the Novo condominium project. You normally see that like with my daughters and that's why I'm very familiar with condominium. She's in one now. No parking in front of garages, streets you can eat off of. This is San Diego, no mess. Um, so it's absolutely pristine, but you see the name of when you drive in.

Yeah. And and we can work with the applicant on um the location and the angle on how the monument sign is going to be placed on site so it's visible from the rightway. You bring up a good point.

Okay. Um the other question, obviously I would rather have a clubhouse, but I don't know if I'm going to get into that today. It's not there. And I tend to like them again. I tend to vote no on if they don't see them. But the other thing is a three-foot wall in front and that's a three-foot wall tubular fence in the front. That's not much protection. So are we talking three feet is a suggestion or you know we're talking about looking in the front. Basically I jump over it. As old as I am, I could jump over three foot fence. So is it higher? Should be higher than three feet at the front. Obviously, it's see-through, but it's only I'm only showing I think I did read it was only three feet high at the front on G Street. Correct. We had it at 3 feet 6 in.

Not very high. The commission go. So the idea is um to create this openness so it doesn't create this fortress or um and and keep it so that those units have visibility to the street. However, if the commission feels it needs to be a little higher, there's an opportunity for the commission to require the fence to be a little higher than three and a half feet. Only reason I'm saying and I I understand the visibility is this a safety issue

and this is a safety issue commission. That's why we're here, public safety. So, it's one of those things where and I don't know how they agree because that's just what I happen to see. Um my commissioners may may have a different viewpoint, but it I think it should be at least higher than that to where you can't just jump over it. There's one on Redlands that they build apartments and literally I can jump in their backyard and be in their kitchen and I'm old. Okay, that's how low the fence is. No protection, nothing. And so it's too easy in this day and age to be able to that's just my concern. It may not be this, but I think you at least consider something higher. Uh, and it's still tubular. You can still see through it. We're not talking about vines. We're not talking about bushes, but it's more of a safety matter. It's no more effort over six feet than it would be three feet. But it's a consideration of mine. I'll see what they think.

About five or six. At least six. Maybe five or six. Okay.

That's just my suggestion. Um I'm still being nice. I think those were the two. Oh. Oh, the HOA. This is more for our city attorney because I'm going to make him work today. Uh I know. I know it's hard. Uh I saw this and maybe it's because I'm not I didn't normally wouldn't see this and I happen to look at the HOA uh B. It says that HOA officers were responsible for the enforcement of the on street parking regulations. Uh somebody explain that one to me. On street, not off streetet. on street. You're going to have HOA officers enforcing on street even though it's a city street. So maybe I need that one explained is that maybe I'm just not understanding that one. Yeah, it's 10B the last paragraph.

Yeah, maybe we need to uh good observation. Maybe we need to change it to on-site. Uh yeah, because this is not referring. This is in reference to the development, not necessarily G Street. Okay. So maybe we can on site, right? Unless you unless you're gonna make them city city employees and then maybe I should take the job, too.

Yeah, they'd like to do that, but I don't think we can, you know, take a city street and allow that. That would not hold up in any court anywhere. Yeah. So I think we mean on site for 10B. Yeah. Uh, okay. Because you've you've really expanded the HOAs to a point where Okay. Um, that's because I have a legal mindset and background. That's why I'm noticed stuff like that. So, and I used to work at park enforcement with LA. So, last thing you want is a resident being responsible for No, no, no. Okay. Um, other than that, I think those were the I think those are some of the questions I had for now. The fence being in the front is one of the main ones. I like consideration for the developer if he has anything to say. G Street is a 65. It's a local street, so a 6040. So, they don't need to do any widing other than the driveway is proposed, right? And that's what is the the depth of that driveway. It's 20 ft across because it's kind of

It should be 26, right? So, G Street is a local Yeah. 6040. Yeah. Um on the east side they they're conditioned to build the curb and gutter, driveway, widen out to the curb and gutter, street lights, sidewalk, parkway, landscaping, all the typicals. Is the driveway entrance 26 or 20? The driveway width I it looks like it's I mean it's tough to tell off here. I I believe it's like 30 feet wide. Okay. Yeah, about to say 26. Minimum be 26. Fire department and I could get away with this. Typically you need at least 12 both directions plus they have the sign median. So, I would guess that it's probably like 30 feet wide. Okay. Um, is that in the engineering? Because I don't see think it says 30 feet in the engineering, des

uh, we don't have it specified in the engineering, but the plans we've received, it's shown like this. And Okay. I don't I don't know. I don't know if Winston has that number available, but I I believe it's somewhere around 30 feet wide. 30 feet. Yep. 30 feet. Yeah. Okay. That's okay. Yeah. And and if I can add, um, fire also reviewed this the site plan and they had no issues or no concerns with uh the width of the driveway. Yeah. Unfortunately, the fire department is not the planning commission. Extremely detailed up here. No, it's good.

To tag along that too, per commissioner's recommendations with previous projects, we've ensured there's a turnaround for, you know, delivery vehicles and other people that don't go into the facility. And that's a direction from commissioners. No, we appreciate it. Yeah. Okay. That I was a little concerned because you you without that distance and radius and you have trucks, you know, Amazon lives in the city of Paris, right? Every five minutes you see Amazon, but beyond just and people wanting to turn out who may just be not want to go in there, change their minds, uh, and get up to the gate and that kind of thing. So, you want enough of a radius. That's why I was saying it shows 20 here. There's no way it would be 20 feet that distance between

the 20 feet you see there from center line line to there right yeah to uh the middle of the crosswalk I I I actually don't know what that 20 ft's calling out but it's not the 20 ft width of the driveway it's going the other direction east west right

okay okay and and you can enter left in left out right in right out on that street if you've been down that street you know what I mean but it it terminates at Second Street based on the map and I already know that by driving it. Okay, I just want to clarify that because um I actually did go through this one even though um specifically and that that just popped out. I said, "Whoa, wait a minute. Wait." Okay, if you guys have some more, go right ahead. I probably promoted some questions just for the trash enclosures. There's only two for the whole development, correct? Yes. Mhm. Yes.

And is that standard for a 37 unit development that is mostly two and threebedroom? Well, the way the code read was just to provide trash enclosure facilities, uh, which we provided two. Um, there's nothing else in our development standards that dictates how many trash enclosures per unit. Fortunately, you know where they're located because I see and where they're located. Yeah, they're right there. But where's centralized? This one and this one. Oh, okay. Well, one's by the tot. So, yeah.

Or there's a picnic area behind it on one side and there's I think it's a tot lot on the southern side of it. Mhm. I'm assuming the purpose was to keep them away from the housing itself for smell. Yeah. Okay. As best as possible. But I mean, it's right by the top lot. So when you're playing with your kids, you're going to be smelling trash. Unless there's a barrier between here where you see in between that number four there. I don't know what that says. This just grass. It says vines and grass and

what you want. But it is enclosed in the typical trash enclosure now with the vines and the Okay. Okay. I just it still smells even with the I know in there to wash.

Okay. Well, that is one of my concerns and I'm not really concerned about the fencing because I understand it's more aesthetic. When we went to was it Tmacula? They have that kind of setting. So, it's just kind of a small fencing and like my house doesn't have fencing around it. I hope I feel safe. So, not really concerned about the fencing on on G Street just because it's offering privacy but not necessarily just a gateway. I'm more more worried about cars going in. So, I do appreciate it that it's gated. um the small little fencing because that the ones on that side that's kind of like their yard. So, it gives them that privacy that others have behind their building. Um but the the trash enclosure location is still pretty concerning to me that it's so close to an area where families are going to be playing with their children. I don't know what the distance is. It seems like there's only like a small sidewalk sidewalk section and it opens the other way, but the smell still.

I think the idea was to um not like it could be moved to the north and there's one on the north, too. Yeah. Um but it was to keep a balance so the units to the south could have um easier access to the trash enclosure or to the tra to the dumpsters as same as the the units to the north. Um, if we move the one to the south to the north and the units to the south would wouldn't have easier access. Um, we could move the trash enclosure closer to the front, but then it's something that you're going to see when you enter the sign. It

we felt like that was the best location for it. I guess building two could have been, but it would still be close to those apartments. been the three and then had the tot lot and the picnic area closer together. But then that last one that building three would have been really close to the trash enclosure. There's also that separation. There's like a walkway and there's a little bit of separation between the trash enclosure and the tot lot. Um so it's not just immediately adjacent, but there's some separation between it. And um I want to say maybe 10 feet

at least. And then plus the landscaped area, but like the the paved area between the tot lot and the trash enclosure, it's about 10 ft without having any measure. All right. All right. Well, let me still I've been thinking about that since we got the plans and I've been looking at them because I think I was here when we reviewed this the first time and I brought up the same issues with the trash enclosures and they're still in the same place.

Yeah, you can't really squeeze for space. It's that's what makes it so difficult. It's the premium for space and and they can't give up a building. That would be the only on building two. You can't give up that one unit. So, it's kind of it's really tight. Yeah, it's a really tight space. The rear, the side. Yeah, it's okay.

Yeah, I guess that those are my main concerns. Just how many trash enclosures there are for 37 buildings considering each one will have two to three bedrooms and the location of the one on the south. Um, how is the entrance from the street and cars into this space? How is it controlled? I don't see any call station or anything here as well. And I don't

as far as to enter the gates. Oh, do you want to let them know where the keypad will be? Will it be inside the planter?

Yes. if it's in the planter. I don't exactly think the design of the location of the planter and the entrance with the gates it designed efficiently to be able to get in there. I don't know if it can be I mean got to reach all the way to the island, but then you have to turn so far to get to the gate.

I think it needs to be redesigned so or add to the island so that um the component call box can be located within a good driving re range of the gate entrance. And and it's not unusual to find this configuration um because this allows for a car that does not have direct access to the site um to get closer to the island, punch in the code while another car on the side can enter the site through the gate. And when you come in when you come in and put in the put in the code, you have to you you have to make sure that there's no cars and make that turn to access the gate. And I have seen this configuration in many many

I think the car that's pulled to the side waiting for the guy to punch the key in can go in first. I'm sorry. What was that again? The guy that's waiting on your right hand side of your car as you're punching in the number to get in the gate will drive through first before you get in there.

Correct. And I I have been in situations like this where the guy who has the the clicker to open the gate will open the gate and but by the time if you got in there before the person that has the clicker, you have to enter the code because you have no other way of accessing it. But if somebody comes in while you're entering the code, yeah, they they open the gate. So you have to let that person go in and then once that person goes in, then you swerve over to the right. person. But what about a person that doesn't have the gate code? He has to kind of swerve out of his way, swerve to get into the gate area. Yes. And I have I have seen situations like this.

Mr. Shley, I also consulted with the applicant and they said that they're willing to provide the owners or the people living inside the condominium with a clicker to activate the gate. I mean, that's fine, but any guest or anything else like that is just kind of annoying. Yeah, we do know. I've been in some circumstances where um the key box has an extension. You know, we could do that. Um still need a pretty large extension to get to make it efficient. My suggestion is to re redesign the island slightly to be able to get closer to the cars

like a triangle so at the top is wider gives you that radius because I think the whole point of having a gated community is to keep people that don't have the key or the clicker in that's what I would pay for in a gated community is to keep people out for somebody to be waiting and take advantage of me getting there when I don't know who they are and they haven't checked in with any of the residents. But it's also not called, you know, not called out in this plan on sheet A1.01. Correct. The location of the keypad is not called out. Um, I'm okay with the requirement and adding the condition of approval for that.

Okay. Um, and then also you said the trash enclosure should ha should have a in the very beginning of the statement it said trash closure should have a u drain in them. You is that in the conditions of approval? It it is not the hose bib. We add the hose bib for maintenance to wash off the area. So, um I would propose a drain in there somewhere. A drain in the Okay.

To wash the you cleanse the area. Otherwise, the dirty trash as you wash the trash enclosure area goes right out to the street. And I thought that was in your very beginning in your introduction that it was one of the requirements. It was host bibs. Bibb.

We could definitely add that. I I think and um I'm gonna go on to her. I think what particularly entrance because right now my daughter is in town home. So that's why I'm an really almost an expert at it and the other friend is in mined community and at home she can open it right but there's no side. It's you have to go in behind. People always do that. that they line up behind you or you go behind the person but to the side that's another issue because then you get into the public the safety thing goes out the window you this person opens you just fly around them and I'll just wait for somebody to get there that's the only issue is the width of that for me the call box of my daughter you better know the code because you go give me the code you can't get in um but again and even the other place it's a senior citizen they're really HOA to the maximum you're not getting in and I always want to check your license if you're 55. I am but the thing is it's it's not that much of a width. So I think the issue is where the box is located. That's a technical administrative issue to me. But that can be important. Um but this is 37 unit but you want protection and safety reason. I think that's the main reason bringing up. It's not just to be petty. We just want to make sure that there's a safety issue. That's why I like the idea of the fence in the front. It isn't about aesthetics. It's about safety. And they will want safety once they get in there. They will know what I'm talking about when it's put up high. They're going to Yes, that's I'm glad we did that. That's what they're going to say. Three feet. So things like that are minuscule, but we're looking at it as a resident, not so much as a planning as a resident. Do I really want these things? and and the barrier between a trash receptacle and that if that's just bushes and things like that if it's far enough away from the lot lot I think it might be the issue or you have some fragrance you can put in there so

you know that's another story that's an HOA thing that's not but you know it's the enclosed part where they come in would be from the north side on this drawing like that one there and not from where the children's lot is. So the children's lot would be facing the back side of that and so there's no wall or fence there. That's just straight up or it could be some something there. But essentially there's no barrier at the back of it and actually the trash bin in the back. Don't know what you what more you can do because you really unless you want 10 foot trees but that's not going to do anything. So uh screen wall, you know, but there will be a try and zoom in. Oh, I can't cuz there will be a wall.

You see right where the number Yeah, there's something there. I don't Yeah. So, that's a wall. How high is that? That's a wall be six feet high. Six feet high behind the trash bin. Eight. You want six feet? Okay. There. So, there is there's a wall separate. Height. Wow. We're negotiating. Okay. So, at least there's a wall. So, we can see it here. It couldn't there's no way to see it on the other plants. And now you see an actual wall in the back. So, okay. That wall doesn't go all the way around, right? Like there's so access on this side around the back or is the access only going to be through the front because it doesn't seem to go all the way across to where

Yeah, the access will be through the back. Well, you can also unlock the gate in the front, too. Okay. But you can have access for both sides because the picnic area is correct there. Okay. There will also be um decorative pedestrian trash enclosures, you know, for light trash throughout the complex, too. So, and the HOA is would be providing the service to collect those.

Correct. Do they have just because I thought about where I live, we have stop points and they have the trash locations and they also have like the doggy bags for like people that walk their dogs and forget the doggy bags, but that's something we could add as a condition of approval. Our our HOA has it and that was very helpful where they refill them and I was in an HOA that had them too, right? You forget and you're like, "Oh, you'd want to be rude and leave stuff.

Okay, Mr. Sure.

Um I saw that the HOA said it says it states that the HOA will be responsible for um architectural updates such as colors and things like that. Is that normal? I guess I guess it is normal for HOA but do our city guidelines still supersede that because I know we provide it but HOA can decide to change colors they can decide because it's an HOA they can decide to change everything and it would overrule anything that we have said here right no this the city's uh regulations will supersede the HOA the HOA will just um

um maintains what has been approved moved. Maybe maybe there needs to be clarification on there. Um but if there's any drastic change in colors, the city they would have to come to the city for approval.

Okay. Yeah. I think we need to clarify because I know our HOA has like a scheme of colors that you can choose from. You go to the HOA for approval if you want to change your color scheme, doors, anything you have to. Um we have condition number seven but we can we can um reinforce that that um provision for the HOA but condition number seven conformance to approve plans. Um it requires a development of the project site building elevations and conceptual landscaping shall conform substantially to the plans approved by the planning commission on April 1st 2026.

Um but we can we can add which one was it? E um

you want to revise it to any change can shall require appropriate planning division. Yeah, it is enforcing compliance with the approved home design. So that right there tells you that it has to comply with what's originally approved for the project. Okay. Doesn't talk about colors though. Like I know it says plan. It says it says colors. It says home design materials colors propo. I'm looking at seven. I'm looking at the planning division. Where are you looking at? Uh oh, I'm sorry. Seven. Um, it says building elevations. You We can add colors if you like. Yes. Okay.

Building colors and materials. Yes, please. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, that's number seven. Yeah. Okay. It's real sticky when you talk about changing colors and plants on the front of your painted yellow color garage and everyone else is brown.

Anything else? Okay. Okay. I think yeah, I think they covered pretty much all that and um yeah, I can't think of anything else in terms of questions for staff at this point. In other words, we're through uh at this time. Thank you, sir. We open it up for public comment on this agenda item and this agenda item only. And anyone wishing to address I know I had to say it. Address the planning commission is is welcome to come forward. with three minutes time as to be determined by the chairperson. Seeing none, we close the public comment portion and public hearing and we move to the three of us for any discussion, analysis, whatever words you want to use. I'll go first. Doesn't matter.

Thank you. Um I think architectural I think and colors I think the building is very articulate and with the material and colors that are selected. Um so I have no no follyies with the design of the the elevations um of the site or or the buildings. Um my only concern was you know of course the entrance and safety of the entrance and the keypads. Um we we are addressing those issues and then the drainage as well. Um is also being addressed for the trash enclosures. Um it's this site is you know only 37 units. I don't see a real use for or the cost for a site such as this for 37 units for a clubhouse or swimming pool would be considerable. uh somewhat unbburdensome for the uh association and the residents. So I don't see a need for those requirements. Um although it's nice to have a clubhouse for usage, but it's such a small small facility to be um require them to have one. So um that's it. My concern is still a little bit the where the location of the trash can is. So having the wall there does make me feel a little bit le better. Um but I I would have rather I I like it there because the picnic tables are there so it's easy to clean up. I don't like it there because there's a tot lot there. Um but based on the location of the dimensions of the development, there isn't a lot of places we can place it. We're still a centralized location. One thing I I forgot to ask and I'm hoping that we can still add is um I know we're

adding the bib for the hose and the drainage, but adding it maybe the HOA can add into their conditions where it gets washed down at least once a week, like having a day where after trash is picked up, the trash enclosures are hosed down and washed down. Um my concern was also the entrance. I'm glad you brought that up. Um, I know that there's a development in Marino Valley, I don't remember the name, where it only literally lets one car through and cars get squished there. Like if you're trying to sneak in, so you have to call the apartment or the house that you're visiting and they have to open the the gate for you. And literally one car is able to get through. That's it. And I think with an HOA, that's something that is important because it does add a safety. don't have an issue with the with the um small gate in front. I mean, I'm okay with tubular fans, but something more decorative like little wood planks or fake faux planks so that it made it a little bit more welcoming would be nice because it's tubular fence right on G Street. Something a little bit warmer would be nice so it blends in with the landscaping instead of just tubular fence. I think I've seen some that have I mean everybody what we see white picket fence like a cute little picket fence or something like a little bit more decorative because the point is to still have that access and so have that visual so something less harsh I think is what I'm trying to say um along G Street um I appreciate the extra parking spots I know it's not required so I do appreciate that we are able to have that. Um, I would like the little doggy bags. I do like that there is a walkways where you can connect to the little walk

or grassy area in the back from all of the different buildings. So, it seems like a very well-built development to where you have a picnic area, walk spaces, and things like that. Thank you. Save the worst for last. You agree? No. No. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. I know. Um, we're being real nice tonight because we're in a good mood. I appreciate

fact the fact that it's April 1, maybe. Um, I I don't Yeah, I'm only insistent on the front. I don't care what really and I agree with her. It should be the But it has to be six feet. I'm not even going to agree with this if it's not. We got to have protection. I'm worried about protection of any resident city of Paris and that's why I'm sitting in this chair. Public safety welfare that's an easy one. The gate on that one. 3 ft is not going to do it for me. Everything else even the choice of conceptual landscape is fine. All the landscape fine. Um the trees are fine. I wish the trash enclosure if there was a place to move it. It just isn't. I wish it was. It just isn't. Uh and I don't have to live with a cup house. I understand that it's too small. Uh my daughters is like 200 300 and they have to have one. Uh but that's San Diego versus San Diego would not allow it if they didn't have clubhouse. I'm here today right now. But um that's San Diego versus Paris. Um one of the things too I think I like is that you have the picnic area and it's shaded. So it was listened to and it's you can't just be sitting out there just total drain. It's it's just um there is also the open area is important uh and for people I think they'll use it um significantly. I think trees are important, landscaping important and it will uplift this area quite a bit because we're going to have to see a lot more multif family housing and this is just the start. G Street will be completely and totally improved just by this project alone and hopefully ones in the area. I'd like to see all the area the multif family but that's just a wish of mine but yeah I do even like the choices and landscape and the fact it's 16% not and this is part of the urban village

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um and I think consideration too and that's an administrative thing talking about the entrance way and that that's one of those administrative things that can be worked out so I'm not that concerned but it is an important point getting in and getting out is also a safety issue you know uh and you know I drive up and I've driven up behind people with my daughters. I'm talking recent. I'm not talking about 10 years ago. And people wait behind you. I say I want to slow up. You know, you know what are you going to do? Because I do the same thing. So, you know, but um that's one of those things you just there's not much you can do about unless you have cameras and you have other things which is a safety issue. That's an HOA issue. That's how you can, you know, kind of alleviate that to an extent. Um, and uh, other than that, the monument signs, which is another administrative thing, I think it's important to advertise this uh, location. I think I see two things that might be sitting there, but it's important to point out what this is called, you know, because that kind of makes the issue where we're at. You know, it's not just this is a condominium. There's only one other condonominium project I know in the city off Ryder. And, uh, I'm the only person here that took a tour of that one. And we were shocked that they did that back then. And I was like, "Oh, kind of any." They did it and I walked through it and it's very nice and a lot more expensive now than when I first saw it. But um that was the only one in the city and it should be about 10 or 12 of those now in the city. But we'll see what happens. But multifamily housing like it or not is the state is twisting our arms. Literally at the at the league they were really twisting our arms really saying do it or else. They don't they're not going to say that. That kind of came off that way. you will do it. So what? But that's the norm. That's the trend. So this is a start. This is the start. And I like the development. This is twotory, right? With the ground level garages.

It's threetory. Three stories. Three stories. So the first level is actually the garage, right? And the second level is is the living and then the second is the living. That's okay. And other than that, I think um I think you pretty much answered it. I appreciate development and um you know as far as I'm concerned I have no problem whatsoever. You know these are little tidbits we're talking about. Some can be very public assets but because we're residents we tend to be a little bit more and this commission is very detailed. So we'll ask questions other ones won't ask. We will because we love our community. It's that simple. We want the best for our community. Um and I'm pretty much done. I don't think we have any more questions for staff. Yeah.

I did want to clarify because it's three stories and you said first floor is garage. I just put a candy in my mouth. I am so sorry. Um, but on the site plans it shows like the first floor has a den bathroom area. It's not just garage. Correct. Correct. Correct. Okay. I just wanted to clarify because you said garage and I was like I saw there's some kind of like living space. Yes. There's kind of there is the welcoming area. Yes. Correct.

Okay. Thank you. and and a multitude. Three story, two bedroomedroom, threebedroom, twobedroom and maybe one. Okay, we're just clarifying. Okay, let's see. Shly satisfied. Our architect is satisfied. So, we must be okay with that. Um, but I do want to ask Shively how he feels about the f fencing up front on G Street. Um, I agree with you. um about the harshness of the this the feel of the the metal fencing. Um it's definitely more durable than a vinyl fence.

Oh yeah. Um and I don't with the with the how the design of the building I think uh a vinyl fence would not look appropriate for the feel of the the complex. What about if we were to do a a column and then between two columns we do a three-foot brick planter so to speak and then three foot tubular steel for a total of six feet but we're blending in the brick.

Um I think at six feet I think the the people that's going to be using the front door is gonna kind of feel caged in imprisoned. Mhm. I don't I think maybe I think myself I feel three foot is adequate.

Yes. Um people just walking on the people that buy those units up front got to understand that you know people might throw trash in there or um they're they're going to be they're going to be the front of the the complex. So they can't store trash. They can't store anything up in front for the site to be or the premises to look clean. So if anything that's, you know, three feet, it's all going to be anything up front is going to be exposed. But that's also their theoretical front entry as well, which there's parking off on G Street as well. So, they can actually park on G Street and walk to the front door.

Yeah. I um the reason I like the fence there, I really don't agree with any three feet because and it has to be open face. I agree with a different style. Does that have to be tubular? You have to be safety. I'm not backing off of that one. You have It's a safety issue. There's places in the city and if you go around as often as I do, if you have a three-foot fence, it's useless. And nobody goes in the front. It's usually inward that you go inside. You know, you don't go in the front from the street on any of these places. You always go in to the side. Whether it's the hunt department, whether it's the the tanians in the other side, you don't see any of that. The one is six feet and it's Jupiter. You can see everything new there. Even the hunt has a is still old, but it's still six feet high. So, you can't just jump over it. Uh, and trust me, I've seen people jump over it. Uh, sweet dates, you know, 16, 17 year olds when they get together, you jump over the fence and get in the window. Yeah. Don't think I don't see that. Yes, I do. So, it's more of a safety issue than just the idea of architecture. how it looks. You know, like she talked about wood type stuff, not vinyl, but could be wood. It has to be open because the city requires open. Okay? So, it has to be 50% open. Anyway, I'm not talking about any stone walls. I'm just talking about a barrier in a city in an area that's off downtown street and you have people wandering from four street over there and they're going to do it. And you want to have a safe city, a safe thing. The entrance way needs to be lit. But trust me, if you don't have it there, you're going to have issues because you have you have across the street is not housing. You have a north of there is not housing. That area is more or less kind of just drive-thru parking buses, things like that. So, at night time, if you haven't been over there at night, and I have, it can get difficult. I'm just here to tell you. Um, and that's why Radio Shot closed on that corner, too. It was too dangerous. So, I know this area.

So, I'm just saying it's not a major. It's just one of those things that's a minor thing to me. Just raising it higher. I don't care if it's 5 feet, but it needs to be done well. It could be done nicely, but not brick, not stone. It's just where it could be tubular. It could be something different, but there are nice things that you didn't have 20 years ago when we had talked about these projects. That's my only thing I would add to it. Um, and the other stuff is but it's really important to have some barrier. It is important to have some barrier and all future projects need barrier. We even had the same thing in the other one. You know, they all saying the same thing. They're raising it because it's a barrier for safety and security reasons. Um, and you park inside, the visitors park inside. You're not going to see this part anyway. This is not where you walk in from the street. You walk in on the internal. And if you do, well, if you do, I mean, the point is you want some barrier there. You know, you don't want a wall that's eight feet high. You don't want a sixoot wall that's solid. That's ridiculous. But if you're going to have it open, then you're going to want some privacy, too. So you may want to put eventually put vines there if a person is there or whatever but you want that at the front. I'm just talking G Street the front is important to me. Um and um the colors, the scheme, the architectural design that's a that's a matter for developers, you know, with the top lock green chairs, hard chairs kind of cover that's internal stuff I don't mind, but I'm just looking at totally from safety standpoint. And so, you know,

I'm I'm assuming that at G Street those entrances off G Street actually have their three or four or five foot. I I I kind of disagree with the six foot, maybe a four or five foot um fence. Um but then they have a gate there too, so someone just doesn't walk into their little area. Um it's somewhat being private. Uh it noting that it's private in the gates there as well. So they just can't walk in. Well, it's it's if you look at the drawings from G Street, the fence will be there. You jump over it.

The the gate doesn't only stop the vehicles. It doesn't stop pedestrian. So I'm just It doesn't have to be six to be five. I'm I'm willing to go five. It doesn't matter. Just higher than three. Understood. Yeah. So that's my suggestion. Now I have like seven or eight other things. I don't even know if I wrote them down, but we can see what we want to say. Uh I don't know if I wrote well, but there's some corrections and some additions. So, help me out. Okay. Uh I'm not perfect. Okay. Uh besid round the croc security was one of the thing I know we want to talk about that was consideration. I think that's in there. Said no. It's not. We said not necessary. Not necessary. Okay. That's why I'm writing something.

Yeah. Uh five and number between building five and six is open area. That's an administrative dream. Uh 10B I think we talked about taking the word and say on-site parking not off streetet parking. Um the drain, not only a drain in the trash can, a drain that would be in the trash enclosure. What do you call a bib? Hose bib. That's already there, but the drain would be something added. The drain is a new thing. Okay. Okay. And yeah, and that would drain into that's an engineering thing where that would drain into the pipe or I don't know. Yes, sewer. Okay. Um, number seven was guidelines to include all colors as well. Architecture

and architectural. So, conformance to approve plans and materials. Sorry. Oh, and materials and colors. Okay. Uh, I think unless I missed something,

I did want to ask about the guidelines about the cleanliness of the trash enclosures because we have the hose, we have the drain, doesn't mean it's going to get cleaned. Is that something that we would be able to have the HOA add to have a weekly Yeah, we could add that to condition of approval number 10 to say that the CCNR shall provide and shall require weekly cleaning at minimum for the trash enclosures. Yes, thank you. The dog back stations. Okay.

Well, it's a it's a pole and you have that you put it in with the bag. It has little box and it has box whatever you call it depository I would that be a condition of approval or administrative thing? Uh I don't think it's So you want to add a condition of approval to say include uh install doggy bag dispensers whatever you call it closures or where um that would be location can be administrative location to the satisfaction of the planision. Yes. Okay. And I don't know.

Yeah. Whatever it's called. I don't I've seen them. I just don't know what they're called. Station. Maybe a station. Maybe a dummy station. Yeah. Anything I miss? Okay. How many would it be? Just one or two of those or as determined? At least two. At least two. At least two. Maybe three. one by each trash enclosure and then one in the green area in the back maybe. Yeah, those three. Okay. People do like dogs. They do. Yeah. This newer generation and empty nesters too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that unless you want to go back over

Yeah. If we can get clarification on the um the fence height along G Street. It could be five feet. Five feet. I'm okay. And are we okay with tubular steel being that it would be more compatible with the design of the building? I'm looking to the architect to see if he has any ideas of what would be less harsh that would so complement the building. I think um tubular steel it would probably be fine as making the color blend into the building. Um there's not very many other types of fence or or railings that will be adequate for the design of it. So

and to match the color of the whatever this color is. I don't know what it's not copper. It's brown or something. I don't know. Paint paint painted like that. Um it is like the dark color that is on the building. Dark earth tone color. Yeah. Whatever this Okay. And are we agreeable to five feet colors? What you're asking the height? I'm not five feet is okay. Worried about the height. Yeah, 5T's okay. I'm not worried about the height either. I think Chair Hammond is the only one that would have prefer a higher fence.

Not 20 feet. Don't Okay, I tried. Did I miss something? because I think I had seven. Eight. I can't. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Um what did I miss? Oh, okay. Ah. At this time, the requested action is adopt resolution number 26-08. Planned project is categorically exempt from California Environmental Quality Act review pursuant to pursuant to section 15332 infield development projects and approving tenative track map 25-000010 TTM39378 and development plan review 25-00008 in the findings contained herein subject to list of approval and the amendments as have been so stated and read at this time. Okay. Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion. I'll second. Moved by Vice Chair Shively, seconded by Commissioner Jimenez. Okay.

Commissioner Himenez. Yes. Vice Chair Shley. Yes. Sher Hammond. Yes, with a vote three to zero, this motion's approved. Thank you very much and thank you to the applicant. Thank you. Okay. All right. At this time, we move on to item seven, public comments. when we approved it.

So late.

Oh, okay. Sorry. Uh, item seven, public comments. Anyone who wishes to address the planning commission regarding items not on the agenda may do so at this time. They're asked to please walk up to the podium and wait for the chairperson to recognize you. Display clearly. Give your name and spell your last name. do not need the address and the speaker will be given three minutes to address the planning commission and this time so we open it up for public comment last time anyone for public comment at this time okay we close the public comment portion move to item eight business items Seeing none, uh, commission updates and announcements. We'll start with the um, I'm hoping everybody had a fun April Fool's Day. Um,

we we like to celebrate a little bit of just friendly humor. Um, I know our districts are on spring break. Hope everybody's enjoying the last couple of days of spring break. For those who celebrate Easter, happy Easter on Sunday. And I like that it's cooled down a little bit. I hope it stays that way. It doesn't look like it's going to stay like this very long, but I really hoped it would stay nice spring weather for a lot longer. Um, so just happy Easter everybody, and we'll see you all soon. So, just as a reminder, this weekend is um Breakfast with Bunny. So,

this weekend, breakfast with Bunny. This weekend. Oh, come on. You're making me look bad here. Yeah. Um or uh anyway, um it's been spring break. We haven't had the issues that I know of. So, it's been I'm sure it's time off that they're enjoying and it was last week. Huh? Last weekend. Yeah. Yeah, it was last weekend. Yeah. Oh, okay. Um I know you're going to announce the Thomas the train because I'm I will be there with my grandchild

on the 11th and so we already kind of prepping him by showing him videos of Thomas so he doesn't scream and go. So, um it's a popular event along with the polar thing. So, we'll definitely be there that day. I hope it's not 200 degrees, but but it's a little different than San Diego, I'm here to tell you. But that should be fun. Uh with his other grandparents, and I'm the other grandparents. Too young to be grandparent, but I am. But it should be fun. So, I'm prepping her her thing there. One of these days I will get to the um one on the 28th. I think it'll probably be out the summer. That's on D Street. I still can't I'm always doing something so I missed it. I'm going to get there the fourth Saturday of the month between 5:00 and 10 p.m. I got to one of these days make it. So, I'm going to try. But other than that, I really wanted to heads off the staff for the iPad that I got fixed and was able to use today. It was right down to last minute. It went out after five years, I think. So, I guess it was pretty good. Uh, and hopefully we can update that for the future. And, um, you know, we want to get rid of paper. I had the paper ready to go. I already marked off but he gave it to me the day before so I have no excuses but uh hats off to staff and even into engineering you're doing a great job we've got a lot of projects going on I drive around a lot in the city I can because I'm retired I don't bother any people doing these things I could but um even the middle sign that's in front of your house didn't know they took over our city but that's another thing but other than that a good practical joke too got me the day I would say what it is, but really got me today. But that's fun. It was absolutely set up brilliantly and she didn't tip me off either. She said I'm like, "What is going?" But excellent. A+ for that one. But anyway, we hope you enjoy the weekend, the rest of the week. Hope it's going to be mild weather, so hopefully we can

enjoy. And great things in the city of Paris are going on. And I think you have an announcement for the April 10th date. And I'll leave that to you. and we've turned it over to our planning manager update and announcement. Big announcement.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um just a reminder, April 18th, we have the health fair. So, put that on your calendars. Um we also have on um Saturday, no, sorry, Friday, April 10th, we have the um ribbon cutting ceremony for the Fosville Park here on campus uh at 5:00 pm. Um we also have the Thomas the Train uh which you mentioned, Mr. Ch um Mr. chairman. And um that's about it, right? That's about it for events coming up. Um April 15th, you get the night off. I'm sorry. State of the city. April 11th and 12th for Thomas the Train. State of the State of the City. He's giving you a hard time.

Oh, the state of Sorry. The state of the city. April 30th. Um April 30th. Okay. Yes. I hadn't seen it. I I don't want to misquote any more dates. There's a lot going on in April. Yeah. It's It's a Tuesday. I think it's a Tuesday. Yeah. April 30th. No. No. Monday. Monday. Thursday. You sure? It's a Thursday. Yes. Commissioner H. April 30th. Okay. 25th. Oh, okay. Okay. April 30th. Big one. Okay.

Yeah. Yep. Perfect. Um, April 15th, our next planning commission meeting. Um, you get the night off. Oh gosh. No meeting on the 15th. Tax day we get off. That's a shame. Get your taxes done by myself. And that's all I have to report. Hopefully everyone got their form 700 because today was the deadline. It's after 12 midnight, right? Oh boy. It would have pulled us in the back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, thank you very much, Sylvia. And thank you very much. It's giving me that eye look at the door. You know, nice to be a cutthroat. Yeah. Not there yet. You know, you're not going to sing for us tonight, right? No. It's a shame. Okay. With that, we have an adjournment, which is item 11. Unless there be anything further that we need. We have adjournment. And I always say pick a person because anyone here I could be me could be first and be motioned by anyone here. So we're all adjourned unless somebody's just silly enough want to stay. Okay. Thank you. Good night on TV and good night to everyone.