Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Commission Jimenez. Thank you.

Good timing. At this at this time, we move our pledge of allegiance by Commissioner Lopez. Thank you very much. We move on to item four, presentation. Oh, we want development updates now. Okay. Okay. I think there's time for commit for development updates. I think Oh, she moved it. Oh, I was about to say. Okay. Okay, that item has been moved. I thought so. We'll move on to item five, consent calendar, approval of planning commission minute minutes. March 4th, 2026 meeting with any corrections, additions, deletions. Okay. We open it up for public comment on the consent calendar item 5A. Seeing no public comment, we close public comment and come for a motion to approve. Been moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner MZ.

Oh, it's not coming up. Okay. Yeah. Commissioner Lopez motion to approve and then Commissioner Manz is the second. Okay. to help you out.

Yes. Commissioner Lopez. Thank you. Commissioner Jimenez. Yes. Commissioner Mennez. Yes. Vice Chair Shy. Yes. Sher Hammond. Yes. with a vote 5 to zero. This motion's approved.

Thank you very much. Okay. One thing I will say, it's cooler in here than outside. We move on to item six, public hearing item 6A, conditional use permit 24-05234. A proposal to consider the estab establishment of a banquet hall facility, including potential service of alcoholic beverages by event host within a 6,228 ft tenant space located at 115 Ramona Expressway, suites 115-1 through suite 115-6 at the southeast corner of Ramon Expressway and Paris Boulevard within the commercial zone of the Paris Valley Commerce Center Pacific Plan. The applicant allegu mystique banquetss the planner Lupita Garcia and any exparte communication and her committee meetings or site visits?

I have none. I drive by the site daily. I've driven by the site. Drive by the site? Yes. Daily and frequent a lot of the establishments at that development or in the surrounding areas. Thanks for the transparency. Yes, I drove by the spot even today. I went right in front of the site. So, yes, thank you. And good to see you again. Nice to see you, too.

Good evening, commissioners and city staff. And thank you, Chair Hammond, for the introduction. The proposed banquet hall facility is located within a 6,228 foot tenant space at the Expressway Shopping Center located at the southeast corner of Ramona Expressway and Paris Boulevard. The surrounding uses include to the north existing commercial uses and vacant commercial land across Ramona Expressway. To the east, the recently approved retreat development. To the south, Park Place mobile home community. And to the west, vacant land across Paris Boulevard. Here we have a photograph of the front of the building where the banquet hall is proposed. The proposed banquet hall is located in the commercial zone of the Paris Valley Commerce Center specific plan. As you can see in this image, the commercial zone is represented in the red and the multifamily residential zone is represented in orange. A banquet hall constitutes as a recreational facility which is permitted in the commercial zone of the Paris Valley Commerce Center specific plan subject to the approval of a conditional use permit. This is the site plan for the Expressway Shopping Center. As you can see, the project site is highlighted in yellow. The applicant is requesting approval of a conditional use permit to establish a banquet hall known as Mystique Banquetss, including the potential for alcoholic beverages to be served by event host during private events such as weddings, anniversaries, kinsaneras, birthdays, meetings, and similar social

gatherings. The shopping center consists of eight buildings totaling 102,256 square ft and has 613 parking spaces with a surplus of 99. No exterior modifications to the building are proposed as part of this project. This is the floor plan for the banquet hall. It includes a 3500 foot banquet area, a 265 foot bridal room, a 272 ft catering prep area, an 886qt storage room, and men and women's restrooms. The proposed hours of operation are Monday through Thursday from 400 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. and Friday through Sunday from 400 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. All activities will be conducted indoors. The facility will employ up to six staff members depending on the size of and the type of the event. The event host may arrange things like live music, a disc jockey, food and beverages for their private functions. Food catering will be provided by outside vendors and no food preparation will occur on site. Additionally, the banquet hall will not provide or sell alcoholic beverages. However, if the event host wishes to serve alcohol, they must hire a bartender who holds a responsible beverage service certification from the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. The project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to section 15301

existing facilities as it consists of establishing a banquet hall facility with an existing commercial tenant spaces and does not involve exterior modifications or expansions to the building and will not result in a significant effect to the environment. To date, no comments have been received regarding the project and the Riverside County Sheriff's Department had no objections with the project. I would also like to mention the applicant sent community outreach flyers to all the residences south of the project site at the Park mobile home community and received no comments or inquiries. The necessary findings have been made for the conditional use permit and the potential alcohol sales for the banquet hall. Therefore, staff recommends that the planning commission adopt resolution 2607 approving the conditional use permit to establish a banquet hall facility, including the potential service of alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption based on the findings contained in the staff report and conditions of approval. This concludes my presentation tonight. I am available to answer any questions you may have and the applicant is um present tonight as well. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Very good. And will the applicant like to make a presentation at this time? Just I think we know who you are but state your full name for the record.

Good evening planning commission. My name is uh Sergeone and I am a current business owner here in the city of Paris. I currently own Barra Aul which is located directly next to the proposed banquet hall facility as well as Birchos in the same shopping center and Lakeside Auto Repair on the opposite corner. I am here today to support in support of this conditional use permit. In addition to my businesses here in Paris, I also own and operate a banquet hall in Mareno Valley. Throughout that experience, I have firsthand seen the demand for event venues in this region. Many potential customers were unable to accommodate often who we are unable to accommodate often end up taking their business to other cities. My goal is to help bring that demand into the city of Paris, keeping that business local, generating revenue for the city and supporting surrounding businesses. As a neighbor neighboring business owner, I have clear understanding of the area and believe this type of use can operate successfully here with proper management and adherence to in adherence to city conditions including parking, traffic, and noise.

Okay. Can I ask you a question? Are you the actual applicant? Applicant? Yes, I am. Okay. I wasn't sure. You said next door. I know what next door. Okay. Sorry. You know. Yes. Okay. I am. Uh you mean Barasul? this one. Yeah. For this one. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm the applicant and I own the establishment right next door to it. Yes. Thank Overall, I see this as a strong opportunity to enhance the local economy and provide a valuable service to the community. I I respectfully ask for your support and approval. Thank you. Any questions that I could answer or I'm here for them.

Thank you very much. Just had to clarify I wasn't sure. No worries. Okay. Do we have any questions for the applicant and or the city? Okay. Uh thank you Lupita for the presentation. I just have a quick question. Um clarifying question in regards to parking. I know there's 613 spaces. That's those 613 are counting from the entire uh shopping center including the one facing uh Paris Boulevard. Correct. Yes, that is correct. for the entire expressway center which fronts um Harley Knox and I'm sorry Ramon Expressway and Paris Boulevard.

Gotcha. So all the every other unit is supposed to share that 613. Yes, it's reciprocal parking for the entire center and that should be a sufficient for what's expected for this venue. Okay, perfect.

Um and I also have a question for the applicant in regards to your security. I saw you guys have the security plan, but I just wanted to um get some details. Um uh will you guys have security in the parking lot just to avoid cuz I know you guys are going to be uh operating until 2:00 a.m. on the weekends. Um just to avoid loitering. Uh I know sometimes after parties and stuff, people like to stay in the parking lot because the the events closed. Will you guys have security making sure that people are are leaving the parking uh parking facilities?

Yes. Uh for sure with the like you said with the loiting going on and um so we're going to have security from start to finish and you know for the most part after hours making sure everything is controlled out of there. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. You're welcome. How does the applicant uh plan on u monitoring the noise ordinance and the decibb within the space and what's coming out of the space?

Yeah. No activities outside. So, in regards to that, so we did have a noise study conducted um and everything is going to be kept inside the unit. We're not having nothing amplified outside doors. Uh for the most part, everything's inside. Doors will be closed. um no windows, you know, one entry uh one main entry door uh which will be closed uh for the events.

I'm currently worried about the people on the back uh of of the unit. Um but how are you going to monitoring the actual level um if it exceeds and goes outside your space? for you.

Commissioner Shiveley, uh if I may, uh there is a noise analysis that was prepare prepared for this use and they um did a modeling study for for the noise that would be potentially included in this use. And they concluded that it will meet uh because of the build there's no openings in the rear of the building and the doors will be closed that there will be um the the use will be in compliance with the noise regulations of the city. Um and then the next question I have is regarding who is going to control the license for alcohol. Is it the facility or is it a bartender?

So to answer that question, we are not applying for a license for alcohol to serve alcohol through the ABC. We are not going to be selling alcohol. We are just going to be controlling it for the most part in the sense where the host provides their own alcohol. We serve it, but we do not sell it.

It's a license that's um issued to the bartender. So, they will be responsible to make sure that they um comply with all of the requirements of ABC. So, it's they're not selling anything like you said. It's just it's the controlling of who receives the alcohol.

That is correct. I did want to go back to the um parking and traffic management concerns um because it says that event staff assist with traffic flow when necessary reduce congestion um with there being only 600 and something stalls and there's a lot of commercial places that you know the Wingstop just opened over there um and I've been through there at all hours because I drive by there there's it's always packed even on Saturday nights you Barasul you know you get packed parking's already like overflowed and now adding this additional um location that would also incur a lot of traffic how do we plan to manage that or mitigate that is that normal to not expect a venue of this style to have their own parking so the parking lot um if I can show the site plan. The parking lot also continues along Paris Boulevard. So, you are right in front of Barasul or the banquet hall, there might not be any parking there, but there is overflow and excess parking along Paris Boulevard. That's

so everything together. They have 613 spaces. So, the guests might just have to park closer to Paris Boulevard, but there will be ample parking to accommodate the use.

I'm worried about traffic. Did we do a traffic study? Because that is right at the entry point for that commercial. So, did we do a study because that's where people are going to come in to park. So, that's where all the guests are probably going to come in. They're not going to come in on Paris. They're going to come in on Ramona. Probably go around. So, I'm worried about the traffic flow. It's already dangerous around that location because people are backing up into oncoming traffic. So, uh, for a project of this magnitude with the, um, amount of trips during the peak hour, it did not warrant a full-on traffic study to be an analyzed. Um, but maybe the applicant could speak to, you know, the on-site management plan if they have one. But again, u, there were no requirements for any type of off-site improvements for this project.

Okay. Did you do anything with with looking at parking.

So, I did think about it because I do have businesses there. One thing that I I was going to bring up um not sure if it was permitted with the city and with the the landlords there was also valley parking uh in the sense of directing the traffic or or the parking to the Paris Boulevard uh side of of the parking lot. Okay. And then the office, the hours of operation, how late will the party go? Because it says 4 to 12 and then 4 to 2 on Friday, Saturday. Is there conditions that we can apply so that it closes at 12 because I know bars close at 2 and clubs, but this is a Yes, we do have conditions of approval for the hours of operation. You are correct. So Monday through Thursday, their hours of operation will be 400 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. And then Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, 4:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. And that is a condition of approval. So no later than 2. It's those are the hours of operation. That is correct. Um we would staff would like to um revise that condition of approval to also include that on days without a schedule event the facility will be generally open from 9:00 to 5:00 for administrative work only. It um and that would be also for client meetings, maintenance and preparation. So it it's it's included in the applicant's um description of the use. So, we would like to amend that condition to include that add additional information.

And can the planning commission make recommendations to change the hour of operation Sunday night till 2 a.m. is it's within your purview? Yes. Okay. Um and just go just go back on that would be what was the planning commission and also we're talking administration things from 9 to 5 Monday through Friday. Um or Monday through Thursday. The way the applica the description reads is it says on days without scheduled events. So when there is no there's no events. Okay. They would like to be able to have allow the facility to operate from 9 to 5 for administrative work um client meetings maintenance and preparation.

Okay. Which number was that? I'm just not looking at um I saw it but number 13 of Okay. Okay. Okay. That kind of because I have a few questions but I'll wait. Go ahead. No, go ahead.

I want to I want to clarify. I know that there's that overflow parking and I'm very familiar with this area so I know that that would probably not even function as overflow but be primary parking. Um the security. Um first question, this is a a a person in a vehicle, right? Like going through the um the commercial the whole of the commercial section or is this just a person on on foot? So as of now the um the idea is for our security to be on site uh mainly controlling the event um there if we do need to include depending on you know the problems that do arise if we do need to hire extra security guard I know the actual uh center has its own patrol I don't know if you guys seen it they have their own patrol car um I don't know there I I don't recall their exact hours, but I know they are there. Um I don't know if they'll go into the late night, but I know for the most part because of the center, they're there most of the time.

Okay. Cuz I know that section that that parking area by Paris Boulevard is a bit more it's not necessarily the safest and at least not the safest place to park your car until 2 in the morning. Um, so that that is a a concern. Um, and beyond that, I had another question kind of related. You mentioned valet. Was I I just want to clarify. Was that included or were you just saying that you were considering it, but it didn't it didn't go?

No, it's not included. It's not included. No, it's uh something that uh came to mind. If if that was to be of, you know, of of of approval or something like that, then yes. To control the the the traffic, it would valet be an allowed um use or an allowed um in this in this area or in this with this project. That would be something that the applicant would need to work out with the property owner. Okay. Okay. That Thank you. Welcome.

Okay. Um I think I don't have a lot of of questions and I've been by this place probably over the last 30 years. I can tell you more than anybody. Um, I'm glad one of the things I was asking about, um, originally my concern was parking. Um, but then I forgot about over by O'Reilly. Uh, and there's if you go by there, and I went by there today, so I went the latest and there's a lot of spaces there. I'm just letting you guys know there's a lot of spaces. Um, one of the issues she brought up and I don't know that there's any lighting over there at night. That's the issue. So that's why the security issue came up. So, it's either put in some lighting or get the management to put some lighting over there because events, let's face it, that's where they're going to be parking. Um, it's I you drive in front to go to the Farmer Boys and that becomes a real narrow strip in front of your place and those spaces are filled. I got lucky and got one because I park there. So, I don't just look at stuff, I physically go and look at stuff today. So, I had the latest and so it was it was packed just those six spaces that in front. Um, so I think that's it's not a It's it's one of administrative things, but to have security is important thing if it's going to be over in that lot on the side because let's face it, that's where they're going to park mostly, especially if you have a large event. You're not going to be parking there. Down this behind Farber Boys to the east and all that, you have Wingstop, which I was surprised, but Wing Stop over there is not a lot of parking over there. So, most of it's going to be in the Paris side and entrance her thing. And she almost said it was circulation.

Correct. So the issue of circulation from when you come in and I drove in from Paris Boulevard, you have to squeeze around Del Taco and go over there nighttime. It's one thing to daytime. Nighttime, you know, make sure there's circulation pattern someone there. If there's a lot of people, you may have to have guards in there. Now, one thing I did read security because that's my background is criminal justice. Security plan was very detailed. Um, I do appreciate that. Um, I think supervisor would be one with a gun. and the other ones would not be. There's reasons for that in the state of California. I'm not going to go through all that.

But the idea is that it is a concern and it would be a concern anywhere to have security outside because you know what happens with people uh 2 am 2 a.m. because that's you have to can't sell liquor after 2 a.m. That's why you're doing it. But um the thing is security outside and it's the lingering traffic over. And we're not saying everyone does that, but you may have a few individuals make a little toxic, you know, so having security outdoors is the key for this, as well as lighting and a circulation. And that's an internal thing that you could do administratively. But getting from that parking lot, you have to walk all the way over there to the front of your facility. And so that's what was one of the concerns because I don't think there's any light post in that parking lot. I need probably may even go down there tonight. But I don't think there's lights behind the northern portion of where um O'Reilly is. I'm not sure. But there could be an issue if you know you start having a lot of people. That's going to be where people park because that's where the spaces are.

So that's that's one of those concerns. Um, if you go back to the site plan, a picture of the site plan, not the just the site plan, but I mean the picture the the front of it. I mean a really the real detail front. There's one ADA space there that I know of that's kind of faded. And in front just to the east that small thing with a blue roof, there's two. But in front of the building, there's only one and that's farther to the west. I mean to the east. So you can't do it from this picture, but there's a picture of the front. And I don't know if you can go back to the picture of the front of the building. Um, yeah, it's it's kind of hard to see here, but uh in front of there's two. Yeah, there's one there. You can see it there. In fact, you can see it from the ground there. And then there's two over on the western side. So, in terms of 200 3,500 square feet in Jackson Architect, 3500 square feet of property, the whole thing is 6,000. Um, is that going to be adequate or is that just a building and safety issue? because I'm not sure that one faded one obviously would have to be taken care of but you know it's pretty strict when it gets to the ADA and there's no ramp obviously the front so you have panic hardware which fire department is fanatic about but you have the panic hardware that's mandatory you have to have certain things but I'm just wondering is that adequate because I'm just guessing I'm just wondering if that's an adequate out of spaces if someone had to pull up and do it they're going to pull up to the west the eastern one and possibly the two with that blue car area I think over there is um some spaces. So if we know the answer to that

I do I received confirmation from the building official. Okay. That no changes on parking spaces uh is needed at this time with this proposed use as the number of parking spaces is based on the number of parking spaces required at the time the shopping center was built.

Okay. We do need to I don't care what it says. You need to paint that one that's there. And there's one that's faded. Uh this is planning commission. So that's nice. But that is faded. So and I used to deal with ADA. So I know ADA and me people. Okay. So that one needs to be be um painted and updated if we do approve it because it was a little faded, you know, because we you can get lawsuits. And I was with the city of LA. We were sued all the time. Okay. So I don't want that to happen, you know, and we say yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But when it's actual dealing with a person and you can't do it, you're in court. Okay? So, we're not going to be, you're going to be. So, I'm just telling you as an experienced person of 35 years, you will have to make sure that that all if it's there, it's painted. It's obvious the signs are there, the posting there. And that's and I agree. I understand it. But saying that you have to have it and have it painted and up to date is one of those things. And so, that's that's the only concern. Other than that, I think we um I think they asked the questions. I think security obviously security you have a very detailed security plan um and obviously having on-site security depending on the event right so if you have a birthday party or if you have a wedding you know so it can get out of control I'm being nice right

trust me so I understand and you know it's it's be expected it's just we want to make sure that it doesn't go outside we have another one over there by the um by the auto zone and that's one that's like a um emporium or imperial, I'm not sure. And we came up with the same questions about that one because that's like a venue, but we wanted to make sure that there was security because it's not so much inside as when they come outside. Outside and 1:00 in the morning, you get to be a problem. Yeah. No. And and just to reiterate on the hours of use,

most uh most of my events from a business perspective, they don't go on till 2 in the morning. you know the the the operations there is special events per se that do request an an additional hour but the events for the most part uh the cut off time is midnight um so most of our events you know 11:30 11:45 that's the cut off time but there is the the reason for the 2 a.m. But we 80% of the events do not go past that midnight point. And plus there's a cleanup time and there's and all the other thing which and then a special birthday for my wife in the same kind of venue and we you know it ends at 11 something but they have to take all the stuff out. You got to put up the chairs.

Yes. Okay. So that there's that factor in in that extra time. I would not expect it to be 2 o'clock. Maybe next door to our houses they might go to four in the morning. Exactly.

The neighbor does. But uh yeah, I we're just clarifying that because it's an important issue. You live in the area, you know, it was anybody because you drive by at night, day, and all this other stuff. So I deferred to the one that's constantly there. But I think that's all I had unless you guys had any other questions. Well, I'm pretty sure Jack. So my thought on your 88 question uh Commissioner Hammond is that uh even though that it was built um some time ago um the requirement for the code requires that the uh 20% of the cost of construction goes to ADA. So it especially if the value of it is uh over I forget what the threshold is now uh but it was $79,000 uh last goround but so I would uh add in there that the quantity of ADA parking stalls should be verified and up to 300 parking spots are provided then seven of these spots should be ADA compliant And two of those two of those seven should be van accessible. And if that can be confirmed um during building plan check, that would be good.

I'm sorry. Um yes, we can add a condition requiring the project to um during plan check review if if it's permissible. uh as they are not building a building, they're not expanding the building. It's an existing shopping center. Um I I I know that um if the commission wishes to require that the ADA parking spaces be repainted, that would that that's a condition that can be added. Um, but I I don't know that we can require any additional van accessible spaces or any additional handicap parking spaces uh because it's an existing shopping center,

but it needs to be brought up to code. Um, and there's a list of priorities of to come up to ADA standards or ADA requirements. um if it doesn't have and 20% of again 20% of the cost of construction needs to go towards accessibility. So we do have according to the code so we do have a condition of approval requiring the project to comply with the building code and that is part of the building code as as I assume.

Yeah. So I I'm just suggesting if the u if there isn't seven parking stalls or if it's not up the quantity is not up to it then one additional parking stall be provided if it's not in current compliance. Okay. Other than the rest of it you know the the restroom has to be compliant indoor um you know access from the pedestrian right away but that's part of the building codes. So right and and like you mentioned I think it's based on the cost of construction. Uh there's um additional cost that could be allocated for ADA parking. So that is something that could certainly be added in the conditions of a

but also know that any site improvements shouldn't be at the cost of the own of the the tenant improvement but of the property owner because it's beneficial for all the um tenants. Um, yeah. The property owner is not present, is he? No. So, we don't know if the property owner would agree to that condition of approval.

It's just building building code. So I think and you your language might be better Mr. Attorney just to ensure more administratively that we're we're like everything else it meets the building and meets the standards of so building building and safety condition of approval number four. Yeah. Says the project shall comply with the accessible requirements of chapter 11b of the currently adopted title 24 California building code. So I don't know if that does that address your concerns vice chair Shriveley. For me, it's it satisfies it because it, you know, it's the re, but I think it should actually be a note in there that it just needs to be confirmed that the appropriate number of

parking stalls is on site. Okay. So, we can add that additional that language would just be including confirming Yeah. that the appropriate number of accessible parking spaces is there on site and painted striped appropriately. And if the if it's not then the the 20% of cost of construction can go towards that or if provided by the owner uh property owner something like that and if that would already be the case per code I don't know if we need to add that additional part that portion doesn't really need to be added but okay

just to capture the the appropriate amount of 88 parking It's me. Yeah, it seems it's more just a language to be added to make sure because current codes are not the same. I know 1980s or whenever this was built, it is, you know, a lot of things were done back then. I can I can go through a list of things that never be acceptable today. But the grandfathered in line we always hear. Um, Chair Hammond, to your point, and I think Chair, Vice Chair Shively mentioned this, is there may be some grandfathering going on. Yeah.

So, the building officials condition says the currently adopted title 24 California building code. We would recommend changing that to changing currently adopted to applicable applicable. So, yeah. So, uh, comply with the accessible requirements of chapter 11b of the applicable title 24 California building code. And then we would add the part including and the part we just mentioned. Okay. Very good.

I wanted to be sure uh I would like to go back to the the patrol and the security concern. Um I was curious would it be possible to add a condition of approval that patrolling security should be um present for all hours of event operation? Would that be possible? both would that be something you'd be agreeable to and then is that something that we're allowed to ask?

So, Commissioner Menz, this doesn't directly answer your question, but just to give some of the background, uh, condition of approval number 10 of the planning division, conditions of approval says, prior to the operation of the banquet hall facility, the security plan shall be reviewed and approved by the county sheriff's department. And the current draft draft security plan starts on page uh I think it's 38 of your packet. And I did notice there was a portion of that security plan that mentions um security officers being in marked vehicles in the parking lot. Just wanted to make sure you're aware of that. Uh that's in um

it does, but it doesn't say that during the duration of the event. Yes. Yeah. So, we could add and this would be subject to sheriff's department review, but we could add something that says uh the security officer in the marked vehicle is it shall be present for the duration of the event in the parking lot. It it does state that the the security should be there 30 minutes until a 30 minutes after the duration of the event. It does say security personnel. Is that referring to patrolling security or just the the internal security? Both. The both. Yes.

Okay. So, we usually have uh security guard companies that do the uh the patrol also on their um marked vehicles, not um not for the how could I explain it? They're not just patrolling, they're also so they're doing both um they're doing both during the event. Okay. And then just for complete clarity, this would be through the entirety of the That is correct. of the event from start to finish.

Okay. Thank you. When we talk about times of operation, um would it be possible to make it so that quiet time is midnight on Friday, Saturday, and that gives them the two hours for like clean up, shut down, everything that is required and 10:00 Sunday through Thursday, quiet time, and then that gives them also two hours. I think that should be directed to the applicant to see if they're agreeable to that.

Um I would prefer uh like I said for the most um I would prefer to keep it the way that it is. That would be my preference. Um just because again there is minimal events that do I I would want to say deter or not go with the venue if we do not allow them that extra hour per se. Um, not all of them. Like I said, 80% of them do end uh at midnight or or prior to midnight. Um, but Friday and Saturday, I would say, are our busiest uh days or the the the days that are more sought in this uh this type of a business. So, I would really want those hours if possible.

And Sundays, you have two o'clock as well. Sundays is not too of my, you know, I could I I would be able to change that back to 12 like the others.

Yes. That's not in condition of approval number 13. And we would change the 2 a.m. end time to midnight for Sunday nights going into Monday morning. Okay. Any other questions? Any other Okay. Uh thank you very much. At this time we open it up for public comment and anyone willing to willing to desiring to direct willing to yeah are we even willing to do uh to address the um planning commission on this particular agenda item is welcome to come forward at this time. Come to the podium and address the planning commission on this particular item is welcome to do so at this time. That does not include city staff. Don't look at me like that. Okay, with that we close the public comment portion and we close the public hearing and bring it to discussion.

Planning Commission.

Um all of my concerns for this uh this item have been addressed. Um my concerns being sufficient parking for the entire uh shopping center, um circulation, uh security, um also the uh being respectful to the the residents in the south. Um being that there's no windows and the doors will be closed. Uh the the sound and the noise should be confined and it shouldn't be um coming out into the neighborhood. So, um I have no issues and I uh and also being that uh that the applicant did reach out to the residents and the area the the tenants in the area and they had no concerns as well. I have no concerns with this project. My concerns were also addressed. I was primarily concerned about not only the the distance of the parking from the the site, but also just the security issue. Knowing that that there will be patrolling security um during event hours does quell those concerns. Um definitely. Um I do think that this there is a gap in you know this type of business in this in the city of Paris. I don't have any I don't have any overwhelming concerns with the project and and and I overall I like it. My concerns were not addressed. I think we do have a gap for this kind of business. I don't feel like this is the best position for it. It is going right into the venues. So like into the shopping center. So, it's it's already a very dangerous area without anything there. Um, I think around the corner, if it would have been on Paris where the majority of parking is, it would have been a much more viable location. I also am concerned because they would be

serving alcohol. Barasul serves alcohol and Servantes serves alcohol. So, we have within a few hundred feet of each other three different places that would be serving alcohol. Um, so I'm very concerned about that. the there's no lighting. Security is not fully addressed. There's going to be video cameras and things installed, but it doesn't cover safety of having to walk that far. I also because I do I I frequent this shopping center a lot. It's on my way home. Um I think on a Friday or Saturday night, coming home from anywhere, the traffic's going to be bad. If I wanted to stop and get something at Farmer Boy, the Wing Stop or anywhere else, all the parking, the main area for parking is going to be that north side. So, it is going to impact tool locos there, Del Tacos there. Like, I know that shopping area very, very well. Locana is over there because my daughter loves that, too. I just think that's going to be the main point where people are going to park and there's going to be no available parking for patrons of any other of the tenants. I think on the other side, I think by Cholos too, there's a few locations or there's more opportunity over on that side to pull traffic over that way. I am very concerned about the circulation around this um location. This whole development has terrible circulation as it is. So, adding something like this on a Friday, Saturday night is only going to make it worse. I have seen several um bumper accidents. I see people trying to turn left when you're going westbound and because somebody's backed up, backing up, it it just has created so many traffic issues there. You can't fully go into the site without having people back up from the I think it's a market that's right in front of there. So there if you're backing up there, you just

blocked traffic that whole little section to go and only fits like two or three cars. So if you get the green light to make that left, you're stuck there. If you're trying to make a right, you can't go anywhere. If you go up, you go left and try to go around, there's really no way to go around. So I'm very very concerned about the circulation and safety of people in that shopping center with it being on the north side. And having a party with for wedding ginsetta with 100 guests there, that's going to be a lot of carts in that area and it's already packed. So I'm concerned about alcohol sales. Not not that they would be selling, but the amount of consumption of alcohol in one development, one shopping center. I'm concerned about the safety. I know there's a need for it. And I know that because when I was flying my daughter's skin two years ago, we had to go pretty far, but I don't think this is the best location for it. And I don't think it's the best use for that location. I feel like on the other side would have been a million times better. I think if it was on the other side and people were driving to Paris to get in, I wouldn't have any concerns with the development. But with it being on the north side and no being extremely familiar with the shopping center, I do have so many concerns that so have not been answered. I'm also concerned with it staying open till 2 a.m. and not having a midnight quiet time. I understand my family is the one that has a band that they're like an extra hour. I understand and I know that that's not all the time. So that's why I do have a problem with it. But I understand because my family is the one that's like copaca extra hour for the vanda Io let me say I will pitch it. Um so I understand um I'm glad it went to um earlier on on Sunday. But I do still have so many concerns with the location of it. Not so much the function of it, but the location of it raises way too

many concerns for me to be comfortable with it. My major concern with this project is that it's the parking um and a space for up to 233, but I it's being limited to 200 um guest um in in the banquet area that and that doesn't account for the other spaces and the other uses around that's being used in the spa the other areas. Um, of course the occupancy will have to be posted, which is part of the building code, but we, you know, on average maybe three people per car, we're talking about 70 cars. Um, it would definitely cause, especially in this little frontage area, um, with Del Taco being there and their people trying to get, uh, their drive-through service might be impeded. Um careful consideration should be done on the uh directional traffic and traffic flow in that general facility especially when there's um you know potentially 70 80 85 cars that are going to be coming to the facility for that time. Um that's my concern. On the other flip of the coin, uh at the side of the coin is that uh the banquet hall would be good for the city of Paris. Um they're not per se selling alcohol, but they're providing alcohol with a licensed uh um bartender. um which doesn't actually

alleviate them per se for alcohol related issues but um I think over in all the the benefits outweigh the issues as long as the uh the director or the facility is managing the sound the uh alcohol and the parking issues and security. Um, I think it would be a good good business for the city of Paris. Last but not least, yeah, I I um I understand the concerns and I understand that I think a banquet hall is needed. Um, and it's it would be nice. There's this building to the south that's a sanctuary building. It was been church, it's been a mosque, all that kind of combined. We don't have that. But I think the major concern has always been the parking circulation. Um that's a management you consideration. I think uh I'm going to give some quick suggestions to but basically I I don't have a problem. I think the parking in front of it could be a problem, but you may have to think think of some basic things. Number one, having an attendant if you're going to be over there on the side to direct parking if you had a vent. That's an easy one. That should have been already suggested to you. So, if you have an attendant on that western corner where people come in, that solves I just solved your problem for free. Okay. So, you have an attendant since there's not a lot of lighting, you have to have physical person. I'm going give you an example. We're by Lake Paris where the city, you had a state of the city. You go outside the parking lots, no lights, nothing. It's totally dark. You find your spaces. What ridiculous person ever came up with that? When you put something to eat and nothing in the parking lot because it's Department of Water Resources, the state of California, and I'll stop there. They're

not used to running things. This is private. So, that space we talking about behind Del Taco, and it was also supposed to be the arena center, but that's before you guys were here. But the fast food, I know, but thank goodness. But anyway, that's going to be one of the keys. So directing that parking the valley well there's valet but that's something you and and the management would have to do the circulation issue is also an issue but again attendance something to factor into yours that should work for you attendance solve the problem so that they're not just saying go park you're saying this is where you park you have that person there the security is there you direct them over to the front that's what you do okay and I just solved the problem for all of them okay so when you do things like that it's just experience talking when you do things like that because I run events at night in the city of LA worse than you guys but you've got to have that you know and so that's one of the key things um as far as the AD issues we you know that's painted signs painted streets and I think that's applicable for a lawsuit but I think mainly security and parking um security and I don't know that you have a person from yours that'll be there permanently so in other words you're allowing that state they're them to invent people but who will they talk you if there's an issue. So, if there's no office in this building, they're going to be calling somebody on the phone, right? So, without that person there, you're relying on them. And these are all contractor agreements, too. Relying on them to make sure they clean up. I just went to one with my wife and there was so many people, but it was a horrible place in in San Bernardino. And you had to sneak around to find a building and nobody's there from the building. This is the catering in us. So, we put away the chairs and like we close the doors. What we supposed to do? You can't do that. Okay. I mean that's ridiculous, you know, but that's what we had. So all I'm saying is we just need to those are things that administrative they could be looked at. But I think mainly for me is

if you had attendance that should be a part of any agreement in that particular area. And also um to make sure that there's that flow, you're going to have to person that because you can't rely upon people coming through this thing. Could be 200, could be 300, you know, you know, we're going to squeeze past 200. We all know that. But at least it's posted. You have to post it. It's not an option. So fire department likes that building a safety. But I think that those are my concerns. I think pretty much that can be addressed. The security thing was very detailed. Never nobody else has ever done that, but it's very detailed. A supervisor, actual persons there uh that can make arrest call the sheriff's department. The sheriff's department didn't have an issue, but but they're not there. If they've had issues, they're going to let you know about it. But the idea is that getting that kind of communication is going to be important. But I think attendance, that's just one example, but attendance there and and those kind of things. So they're parking to the west, not behind Farmer Boys, not in front of Wing Stop, not in front of all that. That's going to be your central area. So you're going to really have to make sure somebody's there to direct it and maybe even mark off spaces. If you have an event, they may have to rope it off. So those are kind of things that are basic basic fundamental things when you set up an event. Okay. So uh other than that I don't those are just some basic things I think we added some things that could be talked about but I think you know again security issues you're never going to really totally satisfy is there other places maybe there are but they might be more expensive places you own this stuff that's a big difference at least the blue au uh I didn't know you own that one too but um you know it's going to be nothing there uh and whatever was I remember what was there before and it's not there now so you know do is something that is needed in the city and everybody shouldn't be in the backyard putting on these big giant things till 4 in the morning. Okay, like my neighbors, it's 4 in the morning when they stop. Okay, that's not legal. You go to a

place that established you're in, you're out by law. You can't do nothing by you call the neighbors and now you become the bad neighbor. So they don't stop at 2 o'clock in my neighborhood. You wish they did, but like come on. You know the band stops at 12. Oh yeah, they stop at 12, but they keep going and on and on and on. But the band's gone. Hey, you paid me, I'm done. That's what happens. You pay them to that hour, they leave. Okay. So anyway, that's long story. I don't have a problem. I think we've I've made pretty much mine. I can understand all the other issues, but I think it's been more or less addressed. And some of the additional things that I've been talking about, I think it'd look into some of them administrative. you know whether those are enough the striping of the lots is adequate the parking over there because I've been over there but I haven't parked over there uh parking in front designated such and such whether you have to update it to ADA the room size to make sure they have the sprinklers all that stuff has to be there you know and the panic hardware which the fire department goes freak freaks out about got to open those doors those are basic fundamental building code stuff that our engineer I'm sure he's more aware of but anyway that's that's to me it's a long story to I think um you know that that was my only apprehension was that so I'm pretty much okay.

Can I add to that um intersection for because going exiting the location there is not it's signalized but it's a on green making that left turn exiting the location which most people exiting from the front of the building go left to head towards the freeway that's not signalized and um heading out of the northern building. So, um, is there anything we can going towards? That's so it's heading north to make a left to go to the freeway Starbucks.

The one with farmer boys right there. Yeah, I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's a permissive signal for north and south. So, you have to yield to the cars coming on to you. Um, the issue with that is an alignment issue for the left turn pockets. do need the left turn pockets to line up in order for those protected left turns. So, I mean, we could look into splitphase signal, but then the operations on Ramona Expressway are going to act worse because you're going to be waiting at if you're going eastbound, westbound, you're going to be waiting at the signal a little longer. Twice as long. Exactly. So,

there there's stuff we could look at. I know at one point in the past we looked at putting in a crosswalk across Ramona Expressway at that location because right now it's only horizontal, but there's there's stuff we could look at from a city side to um you know make it more efficient, but that's all we could do at this point. There are some restrictions with the on-site we would have to have those left turn pockets lined up. Okay. And there's a median currently on the south side where you would go to enter the facility. So we would h we would have to remove that and obviously it's I mean it doesn't make a difference. People go the wrong way all the time. Yeah. So that's something we could look into though. Okay.

And she's right. If you're coming out like I did today to turn left, you wait on that person to make sure they're turning left. When you're coming out to go north towards the Starbucks and the whatever that pizza thing is, you turn left there, but it's not like a signalized left. You just have to wait for to make sure that person they play chicken at the intersection.

And is there any way to also condition that that west parking is their main parking and not the one up front or is there no control over that? Yeah, they have shared parking uh throughout the shopping center, shared parking and access. So I don't think there's any uh possibility to restrict the use. I think maybe going back to Chair Hammond's point about the parking attendant like as as a feature of the security plan, we could say that a a parking lot attendant is required and and shall generally direct traffic to the west when the area that's directly out front of the site is congested. So, they couldn't necessarily make people park over to the west, but they could generally usher people to the west and say, "Here's where spots are and kind of like help direct traffic and then

Yeah. And yeah, like when you get into the Disneyland parking lot and they're kind of like here, park right here. Yeah, but Disneyland has by itself. It doesn't have 20 other things happening at the same time. There is a there is a mention already. I just wanted to point out in the letter page 36 of your packet where it does say under item number 10, parking and traffic management, it says, "Guests are directed to designated parking areas. Event staff assist with traffic flow when necessary to reduce congestion and ensure safe access for neighboring properties. But that's just in the letter that's describing the the project operation. It's not necessarily in security plan or the conditions of approval. So you could add it. Can we move to conditions of approval?

Yeah. So in the condition of approval that uh that discusses the security plan, which is condition of approval number 10, it just says the security plan shall be subject to review by the sheriff's office. But you could add into that that say to say the security plan shall include a provision stating that uh parking lot attendance shall be required during events and shall direct traffic generally to the west when to the western portion of the parking lot when the area in front of the uh subject property is congested. And as part of those changes to condition of approval number 10, you could also have uh the point that was mentioned earlier about um requiring a parking lot security guard in a marked vehicle to be present at all hours during

I think we should have the event. But the only question I would have on that is the security plan currently mentions a ratio of one security guard that needs to be contracted per 50 uh event attendees and it says the parking lot security is included in that 1:50 ratio. So I don't know if you would want to say that that's a separate requirement addition or you know because otherwise you only have one guard say it's a 50 person event and you can't say that one guard shall be in the parking lot because you need that one person inside as well. So you would almost have to increase the requirement. So that's something for the commission to consider attendant too. So

So it would be you'd be considering doing something like a minimum of one parking lot security guard plus the one to 50 or 1 to 50 ratio traffic attended because that should be a separate person another but keep in mind that now you're increasing the expenses for the people to have events and at some point it becomes prohibitive. So you may want to ask the applicant what what he thinks of that. So this will be who they well whoever they contracted with would need a parking attendant. The security I think they outline is but the attendant is something that directs the traffic. I think that's a safety and security issue for you know not only but for the city. I think that's more of a issue of making sure that the flow through there is that's why we're really bringing it up not so much and that's going to be on whoever is renting the place out. That's just the cost that they

that's who they charge because I paid for all the security. We have paid for everything. Yeah. You paid and it's possible that that attendant could be that security guard. They don't have to be two different people. It could be one person who's a parking lot security guard/attendant. Yeah. So, you only have to hire that one additional person.

Right. It also states that through the description of a security um personnel, the quantity not by number but of location. um one at the door, one interior of the space, one in the security room, one in the parking area, which is I believe the security the the supervisor um and one female attendant as well. Um so there potentially the ratio may not be completely accurate at 1 to 50, but it probably be a better ratio than than that 1 to 50. So, it's up to to the commission to determine, you know, how you'd like that that condition to what you'd like the substance of that condition to be.

Essentially, nothing would change if if we do add this condition essentially nothing would change if that ratio is already above the 1 to 50. Correct? So this would just be ensuring that there is that that's yeah that there is a minimum of the one patrol and then the one interior.

Yeah. So currently the security plan and this is this is a draft and would be subject to review by the county sheriff. But it says uh during contract hours security staffing levels will require a minimum ratio of one security officer for every 50 anticipated guests. There will be one security supervisor assigned to the property at all times. Security supervisor is an armed uniformed position. The security supervisor will be included in the 1:50 staffing ratio. Parking lot and surveillance room officers will be included in the 1 to 50 ratio.

And then below that, it mentions in item number three, one security officer in a marked security vehicle. A second officer and vehicle may be assigned on an as needed basis. So, they're basically saying it's just one person unless they needed a second because the security manager is your first one and they could be doing that and the vehicle. So, they're saying it's just one person. Like, it sounds like it's a lot of people, but it's really just one person. Yeah. If it's an event less than 50 people, it would only be one person total. I think given the area, I would feel more comfortable if it was at least. too.

And I like the modifications we're making, but being very familiar and driving by there at 2 2:30 in the morning, coming home from Disneyland all the time because I stay till midnight and it takes me about that long to get down here. So, I'm very familiar with that area at that time on Fridays, Saturdays, and I I still don't feel like it's a safe location for this, but I do like the additional security. But I just want to say that because I I do and I'm surprised there's not more people. I don't think this was really posted anywhere to people that live in that community or drive by there would have the chance to come in other than the people behind the mobile home. It was noticed to um 300 300 foot radius and each one of the um units in the community uh to the south,

right? But we have how many people living in the villages of Avalon that drive by there to get home from the freeway. So I think that would have had a bigger impact. Yeah, it it and I know we met we met we met the minimum requirement and went a little bit above and beyond by noticing every single one of the own the the residents in the community to the south. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um did the

Yeah. So what I gather from that discussion on condition number 10 is basically you would say in addition to what's provided currently in the draft security plan, there would also be a minimum of one required uh parking lot security guard slash uh attendant. So that's minimum one for you know there's one of those no matter what and then otherwise it goes by the ratio one uh one one security guard per you know 50 attendees as as stated in the plan. Correct. That was my understanding.

Okay. Do we need to hear from the applicant or are we okay?

Okay. Just checking. Or did the applicant have a response? Are you okay? Okay. Okay. Just just checking. Just checking. Just checking. Be transparent. Okay. Okay, let me read this. Now we're feeling the cold air air up here. That's good actually. So conditional per public conditional use permit the proposal to consider the establishment of a banquet hall facility during potential service of alcoholic beverages by event host within a 6228 tenant space located 115 Ramon Expressway suites 115-1 through sweets 115-6 at the southeast corner of the expressway and Paris Boulevard within the commercial zone of the Paris Valley commerce center specific plan requested action adopt resolution number 26-07 finding the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act review pursuant to section 15301 existing facilities and approving conditional use permit 24-05232 for the estab establishment of a banquet hall facility including the potential service of alcoholic beverages based on the findings contained herein and subject to conditions of approval of which we have amendments to that and so I might let the city attorney talk about conditional use number 10 concerning security to start with.

Yeah. So for condition of approval number 10, we would just add to it that um the security plan shall provide for one required parking lot security officer in a marked vehicle slash parking lot attendant who will direct traffic uh to the west as needed um to avoid congestion. And then that will be in addition to the other provisions of as currently stated in the plan which is subject to sheriff's department review. Okay. I can go in the other conditions if you want or you can because I know we had hours of operation. Any help I can get. That was condition of approval number 13 and limiting from 2 am to instead be midnight for Sunday night going into Monday morning.

Right. And also allowing for administrative uh 9:00 to 5:00 p.m. for non-event days. Correct. Okay. As as uh the planning manager read. Okay. Yeah. And to make sure this is more administrative. make sure that we the ADA requirements I think there was additional language to say to ensure that we're applicable uh and not demanding but applicable laws and actical ADA title 24 all those things yeah for building and safety condition number four instead of you know current and then adding the including um uh requiring determining and requiring the appropriate number of ADA uh accessible spaces and painting Mhm.

to make sure that the decals are clear, etc. And I know Commissioner Mines, um I don't know if you want to add it to the condition, uh condition number 10, the security um shall be provided for the duration of the event hours. Yeah, that was also mentioned. Pretty good. Okay. And don't ask me to repeat that either. And do we have any a motion on to approve this particular project?

It's been moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Vice Chair Shively.

Commissioner Lopez, yes. Commissioner Jimenez, no. Commissioner Menz, yes. Vice Chair Shley, yes. Sher Hammond, yes.

With a vote for to one. This motion's approved.

Thank you very much, Peter. Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate it. Yeah, I'm feeling the cold air right now. It's It's probably good. Yeah, it's 100° outside. At this time, we move on to item seven, public comments. Anyone who wishes to address the planning commission regarding items not on the agenda may do so at this time and to walk up to the podium and wait for the chairperson to recognize you. To speak clearly, give your name, spell your last name. We don't need any address. Uh but it's for the purpose of accurate recording of the minutes. And each speaker will be given three minutes to address the planning commission. That's any items not on the agenda. And at this time, we open it up for public comment.

Good evening everyone. Did you have a blue sheet that you wanted to give her? I do. Oh, okay. So, just for the record more than anything, because I appreciate Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Just so we have it on the record. That's the best thing. Perfect.

Good evening everyone. I'm Apostle Judge, superintendent, principal, fair housing, fair employment, loss prevention, aspect of real estate, retail, sales and marketing, lead board supervisor, founding manager, teacher, apostle, chaplain, miss me, Dr. Terina Terrence, Lexi Mati, Alandre Avalina Bank Smith, Craig. I'm here to speak about genuine safety. I know it's something that was a topic that was here today. However, I just want to ensure that even as we're getting more security, there has been an abuse of power with security that we have all now witnessed. I just actually came back from jail from being incarcerated today for no reason. So these are the things that I wanted to speak on even when we're getting security that the security is actually really trained correctly. With me being a founding manager of asset protection and loss prevention even at Walmart, what I want people to understand is that we need to know. And so when we have this group that has been working in the security department that has been acting like they don't know who the people are who really do what they do to keep doing bad works to them to put other people in positions and things like that. That's something that we need to make sure that we have security on as well. So again when we are getting security we want to make sure that they are security people that are not just people on privilege but people who are really going to live up to genuine safety. And that even goes for our sheriff's department as well. So that's what I did want to say especially with about security because again we don't want to have over policing in our city and I may I am promising that we won't have an awesome evening.

Okay. Thank you very much. And with that we close close the public comment. I don't see anyone else not Nathan. Right. So, we close the public comment portion and we move on to business items. City of Parish projects update by Mr. Nathan Perez, senior planner. I think you've been here almost as long as I have. Nathan, I just beat you. I think maybe by a year, maybe a couple years. So, so thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the introduction and members of the planning commission. Uh, and thank you for your attention today regarding the information of on these ongoing projects. Uh since the last development update, which was around February of 2024, almost two years ago, uh there has been a lot of development happening throughout the city of Paris, a lot of exciting development, which I'm going to pretty much give a brief overview to the planning commission. So, um and let's dive in a little bit here. So, if you notice, uh the project sites that are highlighted in yellow are currently, um obtain grading permit. uh and also uh the sites that are highlighted in red are pretty much in construction or vertical construction so that you know before I go into the presentation. So I'll start off with the Patterson Industrial Building uh which is 94,000 square ft. It's currently being graded and it's along uh Patterson Avenue just north of Harley Boulevard. We also have the Prolodges 764,000 industrial building which is currently have obtained a grading permit but they haven't started grading out there which is also located along Patterson Avenue just south of Harley Knox Boulevard. And also we have the Ramona Gateway which is currently in construction. Currently, we have a couple of tenants that are

have obtained grading permits such as Panda Express, Hawaiian Ono, Sonic, and Beyond Food Mart, just to name a few. And just to let the commission know that the industrial component has already been completed. Now looking at the north uh east corner of the city along Moreno Valley city limits we have 143,000 foot industrial building which is currently uh obtained a grading permit. We also u have a 137t industrial building that is also grading on the south uh east corner of Haron Knox Boulevard and Indian Avenue. We have the truck terminal which is currently in construction. I actually worked on that project and they started um pretty much building the screen walls along there. Just across the Paris Valley Storm Channel, we have PY Homes which uh consists of 360 single family homes. Um they haven't completed construction as of yet um because they have to do trail improvements and also improvements along Evans Road. And just across which is Strafford Ranch East consisting of 192 homes, that one's in construction also. And that um subdivision is tied to the improvements along Evans Road. Looking on to the uh south portion of the Paris Commerce Center specific plan just south of Ryder along Redlands Avenue, we have a 301,000 foot industrial building which is has obtained a grading permit um which is also called Redlands West and across Redlands is Redlands East consisting of 254,000 square feet of grading. And if if you notice by the aerial, you could

kind of see the shape of the industrial building there. Park West. I know that everybody's excited about this development uh which almost took it was pretty much entitled in 1990, so it's been a long time. I know Hammond's been waiting for this one. Uh consisting of 529 single family uh lots. Uh right now we have KB Homes and also PY Homes building um the majority of the homes within that that uh specific plan located south of Noeo Nevo Gateway area which is one of my favorite projects is the target consisting of 100 thou 150,000 square feet. Uh it's near almost completion of construction. Um, it should be done by by the end of the summer. So, that's something we're actually pretty excited about. Um, I I I think it's a good asset to the city. We also have uh another subdivision consisting of 145 single family lots located at the south uh west corner of Mets Road and A Street, just uh west of the I215. and that one's currently grading. We also have IDI PLC North buildings two and three have completed construction. Uh currently the last building which is building one is uh has obtained a grading permit uh and it consists of a million square feet of industrial along a street located uh east of the downtown specific plan area. Just a little bit south of that, we have Ellis Avenue, which is Old Castle. I believe it's Newcastle. Newcastle.

Alfredo tricked me this time. Consisting of 443,000 square ft of industrial. And if you notice by the area, it's currently being graded. We also have IDI PLC South uh consisting of three buildings. And that one's currently being graded consisting of 3.3 million square feet. So that one's going to bring a lot of infrastructure um in that part of Paris. Green Valley. So we currently have only one track currently in construction consisting of 191 single family lots. There's around 40 single family home lots left until this subdivision is completely constructed. Um the last presentation we actually had a couple lot uh lots that were being uh construction and those were completed a little bit late December of last year. So our recommendation is to receive and file and I'm here to answer any questions.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Um the Green Valley one, uh I see they're studying to take and this is your area. Uh the park they started to finally do some work on the park there apparently. So I'm assuming it's been remember the grand opening in 2023 had golden shovels and I said then we came back a second time. Okay. Is there going to be a third grand opening? Just open the park. Okay.

But yeah, so I see that's under construction there. And um the Park West one I think um originally yeah originally was supposed to be 75 homes for for older uh pe for older individuals and I think they changed to this one. So you said it was uh KB homes and who was the other one? It's actually PY homes. PY homes. All PY. Yeah. Uh I think three of the tracks are going to be built by PY and one of the tracks is uh KB Homes.

KB. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And I saw the construction they did. The bridge was done and all that other work was done which was that took a while to do. Let's just put it that way. And so it's still commercial though to the west of there. Right. So that's that portion under the wave just to the rest of that's supposed to be commercial. I think that's still it own commercial, right? Yes, it is. Okay. So So we're getting that done. Okay. Any questions, guys? I know you did. Can we go to the homes on Evans and Ramona, please? So, those the homes that are underneath that track that's already there, are those going to go all the way to Ramona?

Yes. Uh there's actually two there's actually one track map that's being constructed by PY. It's near almost completion. And there's a second phase that will um because I had conversations with PY, they're actually going to start um recording the map, but they can't record the map because the state has uh I think a evac line along Ramona Expressway. I'm not sure if Brad could give more information on that, but right, you see the gap there between Ramona Expressway and where the bottom of that red rectangle is. That's where that DWR evac channel is going. ongoing construction that you see every day. They're building that channel right now.

So, that's going to remain in place and then this track would be built to the north of it. Okay. Because I remember when that development came, one of the reasons they said they couldn't put commercial there was because there couldn't be access off of Verona because of the channel there. So, is that now removed? Well, the access for that track would be directly off Evans Road. Okay. So they would still have to go off of Evans and drive in because of that channel,

right? I mean, there there's like the fairgrounds, for example, has an access road, but it's kind of a bridge going across it. It's it's not impossible, but it's more costly to put that bridge if you want to have access to Ramona Expressway. And that that location being so close to Ramona and Evans. Yeah. It's not ideal for a uh any type of driveway. Driveways. Yeah. Because people traveling over Ramona, it's pretty fast. Okay. All right. And then can we go to the one on Ramona the development with the Sonics? And so the only thing built so far or graded is Taco Bell and Starbucks. And Starbucks. That's correct. Okay.

So where are we really with all the others? Well, currently, you know, they're um getting, you know, they're currently in landscape review. The majority of them are in building plan check, I believe. So building plan check is, you know, go ahead. Well, yeah, Nathan's right. They're some of them are in building plan check, but from an engineering perspective, they're majority at grading plan check right now. So they go through grading plan check, then building plan check, then final plans with us. So um it's it's in the works. From a date standpoint, I don't think we could give you that at this point. Okay. Because people asked.

Oh, yes. Yes. because that industrial is done and you're right that industrial is done. So we get a lot of we get heckled a lot because industrial is done and there's only two things there. So we do so there is no date but I guess some of the concerns too from community that I've heard is they're concerned that because I have a couple of friends that were super excited about Sonics so they think that it's been so long they've pulled out of potentially constructing. Yeah, Miguel Jr. I think pulled out Jun. Miguel Jun.

Yeah, the the um the uses that you see on the screen are they have been going through planning and great now they're going through grading and plan check. It just takes a little bit of time. It does take Okay. So, I guess I I have a question. And I I do want would like to know what is the difference between or what did um Starbucks and Taco Bell maybe do a little bit different that got them already built so quickly or is it normal part of the process? Honestly, just more ambitious to open up ahead. Okay. So going through the process a lot quicker, submitting everything they need to. Right. Right. Okay. That's more of a business aspect at that point.

Oh yeah. Okay. All right. So, it's nothing on our end that's holding them up. It's just them as they go through through the process, we ask them for things and how long it takes them to come through. Okay, that was it for me. Thank you, Nathan. Can you tell us about the other um truck um storage facility?

Yeah. So, that one is uh Mr. Bobby Nier's project right there. So currently uh they obtained uh building permit issuance and they're currently in construction right now. Uh right now we're kind of um uh going with them and holding their hand in the parcel merger process to merge all four parcels. So as of right now they have a little bit little bit ways to go. Um but as of right now they're making good progress. They just have to pretty much complete some off-site improvements. I'm not sure if Brad knows the status of that, but go ahead.

Honestly, I'm not too sure where that's at with the plan check, but it's in the process. Yeah. So, Commissioner Shy, I know I know you remember the one to the to the um to the east of it. Oh, yeah. With with heartache. Yes. Yeah. So, it's going to look exactly like that one. Yeah. Um, where's that one currently at? That one is already obtained certificate of occupancy. It's completed construction. Okay. I did have more. Sorry. Oh, go ahead. Um,

I have seen the trend of like houses being built that are nextgen houses or apartments for seniors. Um, are any of the developments that are coming in nextgen houses? Currently, there's one that I know of. Um, which I'm working on. There's one in Green Valley. Uh, LAR is actually has only one floor plan with NextG, which is basically an ADU. Okay. And for those, a lot of the ones that I have seen don't have a range or an oven in the ADU portion of it. Um, why is that?

I I think the state is probably uh not allowing, you know, 80s to have uh stoves with gas, I think. But most of the new houses are electric. Yeah, exactly. So, since they can't use gas, they have to use electric, but they're not built in. And I asked because my parents are are getting older. So like I've been looking at NextGen houses and most of them don't have a cooking area. Will they have a kitchenet? A kitchenet with no cooking area. We we don't know the answer to that question because we don't really control the planning doesn't control what goes inside each one of the units.

So that's not something that we could recommend that if they are an ADU they have a full functioning kitchen even though it's smaller. it they would have to abide by the state regulations and they're going to go by the minimum that is required. Okay. Yeah. Um we cannot be more restrictive than the state than this. Yeah. Um and the second part of that was um how many developments for seniors or senior apartments do we have within our city? That's a good question. I don't know comprehensively. I'm not sure if Patricia knows because all the projects go through her, but he's throwing it on you.

Yeah, because you know, I'm just one little component of the planning department. So, we can look into that and get back to you at the next planning meeting. Can you please? Yeah, of course. Just because I know a lot of my friends have parents that are also getting older. I think about my aunts and uncles and a big home is too much for them at this point. So, a senior place where they have friends their age is

essential. other than this is just the top of my head the Paris station apartment which is really low income is 55 and up so I know people that were in there then you have the one the Pacific communities that's off of um by panicotti pinnat and I think there was a person just on a street as well and this gentleman was supposed to build it never did it's a street right across from the park and he he didn't have the financing I'm not sure what happened so those are the only three I know the top of my There there is one more too. It got approved but it hasn't been built. It was um north of Sanento on Maretta Expressway or Yeah. Or Maretta Road actually.

I think that's what I was talking about and I think they they changed it and went to Yeah. It was supposed to have a shuttle to the medical and all that and Yes. Yeah. They just Yeah. Could you go back to Evans Road because uh and Vermont Expressway um your favorite area? Right. There you go. Okay. You see if you see the red line stops there, the south southern portion before you get there that was supposed to be a park. So we had approved a 45 46 acre park in that vicinity

in lie of giving in for the other stuff that was if you look at conditions it says park. Now whether that person builds puts a park there, but that was supposed to be designated for a park. Look it up. I know because I voted on it.

So that was supposed to be and it still was supposed to be a park there. Um we can't let the developer get away with that because we had to give up the houses. Give it to houses on eastern end. That's a whole another ball game. But that was supposed to be a park if I'm and I'm pretty sure I'm correct about that one. Let me give you guys a real quick background on the eastern end before the it was originally Lewis development was supposed to have a target and there was all kinds of stuff in there and Sheffield Chop Weber development I know the guy well I've known him for 20 years and I'm not going to say any comments just to say that's where that was supposed to be and they pulled out in about 2010

2009 that's what you get for being here that song um but it was still a planned development and they talk about didn't have a bridge there was going to be one there so that's not an excuse they could have put one there. Um, there just Department of Water decided they over I overid them. They were going to put it there. They just didn't have the money to do it. Might have been a theater there, too. Might have been all kinds of shopping. It was real well laid out. I still had the plans. I keep everything from 2005, but that stopped. So, that originally was on that corner, but that was supposed to. So, you might want to look into see about that portion being the park because I remember us doing it. And it still would have to go to the city because about who maintains it, that's always the issue. But I do specifically remember that portion was supposed to be Yeah. several acres of a park. So you might want to look into that.

I think you're referring to the uh the basin that's across between um right there that southeastern corn under that red little red square. I think the the developer had to dedicate that area for for a future park. Now yeah, if it was going to come in, it was going to be through a different mechanism. Yeah. So yeah, but that it was dedicated for for a park. Now whether it gets down or not, that's another thing. It was I think dedicated for park. Yeah.

But um very good. I think there's a lot of stuff going on. Get road especially at three industrial buildings down there and case road which is other stuff that's happening right now. That famous intersection at Ellis somebody's working there with us. Southern California as you know but there is a lot of activity going on down there. So it's good. in the case road whenever that gets done widen still have a problem with EMWD down there because they have a problem that bottleneck you but that's an engineering thing not mine but I don't know how they're going to figure that one out but anyway thank you very much unless you guys have issues we appreciate the presentation we know there's a lot of stuff main thing is there's a lot of stuff going on

it's happening and um you see a lot of industrial here which you're not going to see in the future but there's a lot of industrial here that's being built that's being entitled so um that you know industrial element moves to commercial and moves to commercial stuff. So that's a big change. So that's one of the reasons but be updated. We get questions all the time. We get all these issues at least to have some idea not what's coming before us but what's already been passed through and we're just trying to figure out where where stuff is happening. So appreciate it, Nathan, and to staff. And with that, there's nothing to do and say thank you very much.

And thank you to our planning managers here. Uh item nine is commission updates and announcements.

Uh I was very fortunate to attend the uh the League of California Cities uh planning commission academy. Um it was a huge turnout. uh a lot of a lot of cities uh were there. Um and it was great just being there with my fellow commissioners and being able to talk to uh uh uh other planning commissioners from different cities and uh this year was very unique with the the topics that were brought up. Um um they brought up subjects that that haven't been touched on in the past. Um so I was uh also the venue was very nice that they chose the area was nice. So, um I was just super excited that I was able to be there and and I'm looking forward to other uh the uh planning commissionmies that that they're going to host.

I too was very fortunate um to attend alongside my fellow commissioners um the planning commissioners academy this year. It was my second year, so I was really excited to skip over the fundamental um sections and go straight into the the emerging issues. Um I it was a lot of fun. It was in Anaheim, so we had to sit there and stare at Disneyland and not touch it. um which was hard, but it was really fun and it was it was a really great um turnout as my as um Commissioner Lopez said. Uh I also was really fortunate to attend the Pets on parade. Um it was my Super Bowl. I loved it. There were so many dogs and I brought my dog and she is so scared. She's such a little scaredy-cat, but she did great and and it was wonderful. There was I think a monitor lizard, a large sulcata tortoise. It was it was really wonderful. Um and I cannot wait to attend next year. So that's it for me. I also was lucky enough to attend the um the League of California Cities. My fellow commissioners, I don't remember how many I've attended, but I think one of the main takeaways that we usually have when we attend and we're listening to other cities and we're listening to the speakers is that our commission really is extremely knowledgeable. We ask challenging questions, but I think one thing that makes me the most proud is that we stay within legalities and we make sure that we are abiding by standards and laws that are there and the ethics. I think of this commission is super apparent when we go not that

other commissions are unethical but just the way that we not only abide by them we take it to the next level just like when we do anything else when we have any development we want more when we have to abide by ethics we take it a step further and it's just always so warm and I have to give a huge shout out to Chair Hammond because he didn't get up and take over the microphone this time. Like it was impressive. I don't know how he did it. So, I did want to recognize him for ha having that amount of self-control cuz he's usually walking over or somebody says something blatantly out there and he just goes and he gets up. So, this time he didn't know.

He he held himself back. But there were a lot of things with around housing and and things like that that we knew about. But it's always nice to have those refreshers and just keep it um at the front of our mind. You know, our brains go from our day jobs to everything we do to when we're doing commission work. Our brains just have different switches. So, it's nice to just get those refreshers. And I love spending time with my fellow commissioners because they are phenomenal people. Well, the main topic at the League of Cities was um housing elements and and not to a surprise, but I I believe they said there was like 113 bills that they were reviewing to pass for just for housing. Um you may know better than me, but um

that's probably like the seventh straight year you could say that. I mean, I thought it was going to subside, but apparently not.

Yeah, it it it's just so frustrating on one hand, but we understand the elements of residential residential and the housing elements that it's important and the affordability of housing was the main issues and how offhand it's now going to be for us. um where we release some control to either Patricia um or and even with that um what we can and can't do and the amount of times that it can be reviewed before it becomes problematic um which is five plus the items such as you know parcels that are less than 20 acres don't have to go through SQA so they're definitely speeding up the process of trying to get residences back on the market. Um even even so much that they're requing the requirements and control on what you can put next to existing housing um elements as well. So, there's some frustration, but I think it if we perhaps might be able to come back and re-review our housing element and maybe understand it a little bit more and maybe try to refine it so it's a betterment for us. I'm not sure if that's at all possible in sometime in the future, uh, relatively close future. So at the end of the 20 29 cycle, we will bring it back to you guys

only. It's not an easy thing to revise the housing element. So it's Yeah, it takes a lot of effort and time and yeah, it'll be before the 2029 end of that cycle, but you'll see it again. Okay.

Yeah. And uh just piggy back in what they said, we had a good time. I mean, it was a beautiful hotel. It's definitely not Santa Rosa. I can tell you now. Anaheim was so clean, you literally could eat off the ground and which is really not nice. I want to make I was looking for trash. Okay. But, uh, it really is nice and nice. All hats off to Sylvia for making all the arrangements. Uh, that's a secret job, travel agent, I think, too. But, uh, no, it was well done. And, um, it was more people. I think it was definitely more people. And, yes, the housing element was a big issue. Uh you'd be surprised what we know and some of them don't know. I tell you guys all the time, you have very knowledgeable people here and some of them are like I'm like you didn't even know that. Okay. Um but again, you know, it's not fair. We have a a much wider degree of experience here. So I think that's what makes this unique. And some some ethics some of them are ethically challenged and I'm not going to say what city, okay? uh said things that you never ever should say, but they said it and I said, "Okay, you know, you just keep your mouth shut." You know, they'd be in jail if we said these kind of things, but you just can't do that. You have an ethics. You have certain things. And they just said, "Screw that. We're going to do it." So, you had a few of those. And so, we just bypassed that and said, "We have some training. We have some understanding. You can't do that." But I think overall, it was the housing element was a big issue. And essentially um I think one of the and last thing I'll say is one of the things that they did say is you know you can't change things a lot of things but one thing you can do is you work with the developer. So you work with the developer you can and say okay and the colors are this that kind of stuff. They're not required but there's things that you can do to have a relationship and work with the developer which is pretty much what you have to do. You know you can't say you have to build this you have to build that but you know again I think that's the answer. You just have to work with them the best you can. And maybe they're willing to make some changes, maybe adaptations, but they're looking for manufact I mean multif family housing and you if they decide to do in Paris,

there's nothing you can do to stop it. Literally nothing. Unless it's a swamp or hazardous waste and you got to prove that the cities, the burden of proof is on us, not them. It's us. So you go to court and you lose it. Heavy heavy fines. That's first I said money. That's first thing I heard. Okay. So I think we just have to be adapt adaptable. uh and work with it's really housing everything else is okay but the housing is really 100% state control and so they decide they want it as Huntington Beach found out and Costa Mesa found out that you have to play the game and play ball but anyway uh I'll say that we had a good time um and we we didn't eat caviar and prime ribs so don't worry but we did have

wait a minute but we did have a good time and Um, thank you very much for that opportunity. And so I'll turn it over to our planning manager updates and announcement next meetings or whatever the case. And form 700, which we better get in. Form 700. We got to do it. I think it's April 1st, too. Yeah. I didn't mind, of course.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good reminder. Please complete your 700 forms. I'm not pointing at anybody. Just please complete your 700 forms. Good job, Ben. I know some of your forms are probably more complex than others, but um please try to get them done on time. Um as you could see from the presentation, we have a lot going on in Paris, which is so exciting. Um it's not just warehouses. uh we have commercial development, we have residential development and um in in in the back room we're working on projects that are mostly residential. So um it it these are exciting times um to see our community grow uh this way and and and I think you um are helping shape the city the way it should be. So thank you for your time and effort and in your contributions to making the city of Paris a better place to live. I am so glad that each and every one of you um enjoy the planning commission academy. Um thank you Sylvia for all the efforts. I know that took a lot of um coordination uh to get that done. Um I I have to do it for my family when we go on vacation and it's horrible. So I can't imagine doing it for five people. Uh so thank you Sylvia for all that all that work. Um I have some fun and exciting events. Um, we have breakfast with uh with Bunny on Saturday, March 28th. Uh, that's next weekend. That's in the morning. And at night, you can join us for the Paris Market Night Cultural Walk. Um, that's going to be um on the same day, but from 5 to 10:00 p.m. And um just um plan on your calendars to attend the health fair um and five 5K

color fun. Uh that's going to be on Saturday, April 18th, and it's going to be from 8:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. So, please attend um for the next coming uh planning commission meeting uh on April 1st. Sorry. Yeah, April 1st, we have a project that you've seen already. Uh unfortunately, the entitlements expired, so the applicant is bringing it back because they want to move forward with that project. and it's the 37 conominium units on G Street at the end of Second Street. I don't know if you remember that, but he's incorporated all the um recommendations that the planning commission made at the time. So, uh you'll see that on April 1st. And that's all I have to report for today. Thank you.

Thank you very much. We appreciate it. And Isaac, are you going to do the marathon on that day or he's going to do the running? Huh? You brave. We'll watch you and help throw you some throw you some water. Right. Okay. Well, with that, uh, unless any further ado, unless we have any other statements, we will close this meeting. Let me get the time. What exact time do you have?

7 7:55 p.m. And we appreciate the audience. She's giving me that look. See, we're doing pretty good. But with that, we close it and you can put any name you down you want because no one's going to object to leaving today unless you're crazy, right? Thank you very much and the audience with YouTube watching. See you next time.