Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I would like to officially call the regular Planning Commission meeting of Patterson on November 20th, 2025 to order. I ask you to rise for the pledge, and our Vice Chairman will lead that for us.

It's not over there. Where are we? Here. What happened? They moved the flag.

All right. Everybody, we're that way tonight.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Thank you, you did fine Even though they turned you around Okay Okay, let's call the roll and see who's here tonight Commissioner Alexander

Here. Commissioner Sidhu. Here. Commissioner Appland.

Here.

Vice Chair Bendix.

Here.

Chair Person West. Here. Okay. And let the record show all five members are present.

Okay. Items from the public. Now would be the time for anyone who has an item that is not on the agenda to come and talk to us about it. If it has something to do with planning and our commission and yet is not on the agenda, Now is your big moment. We have a microphone if you're on the Zoom line. Declare your name and we're ready to speak to anyone. Anyone would like to speak to the...

Commissioners, we have no speakers on Zoom.

No Zoomers? No one? Okay. We will move on. Commissioners, we have a couple of items on the agenda tonight. Are there any conflicts with any of those items?

No.

I don't either. Let the record show we have no conflicts. A right to appeal. Anyone who is dissatisfied with the decision that we make or a recommendation can appeal it to City Council. That needs to be done within 10 days. Okay. We have no correspondence. We do have two sets of minutes, October 9th and October 23rd. Did all the commissioners receive those minutes? Has everyone had a chance to review those? And does anyone have anything they want to throw in the record different than what that says?

I'll move approval of the minutes of the 9th since I've got to do them separately. Yes.

Okay. Well, it's October 9th. You can't do them.

Yeah, well, no.

Let's do them separately. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second?

Yeah, a second.

We got a motion and a second. Let's vote.

Okay, there's a motion and a second to approve planning commission meeting minutes of October 9, 2025. Commissioner Alexander, how do you vote?

Aye.

Commissioner Sidhu? Aye. Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chair Bendix? Aye. Chair Person West? Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Okay, we now have the minutes of October 23rd to consider. Move approval. Motion and a second. Let's vote.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to approve Planning Commission meeting minutes of October 23rd, 2025. Commissioner Alexander? Aye. Commissioner Sadu? Aye. Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chairperson Bendix? Aye. Chairperson West? Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Okay. So ordered. Thank you. And thank you for doing a good job on those. Denise, appreciate it. Okay. We do have a continued public hearing, and so we officially had opened it now, and we're continuing it. This is a conditional use permit 2508. We have that. You got that, Brian?

That's right. So a major main reason why we continued the item from the prior planning commission meeting was to have an opportunity to ask the applicant, and afford them an opportunity to address the commission with any comments or questions that may exist. They are here this evening, the applicant and his team are here, to address the planning commission by answering any specific questions they may have of the commission. And so that's the first and foremost component. I don't feel the need to represent the same staff report There are no changes to the staff report. You may recall during that meeting there were comments shared by the city's deputy fire marshal, and I think at the time that we were trying to get more of his answers, he was already gone. Nonetheless, we have received a number of four or five small conditions, or small in terms of word length, that he recommends that the Commission apply to potential approval of this conditional use permit. I thought I grabbed them, but I grabbed the wrong stack of papers. But I've got the five I can read briefly at some point.

He's saying we need to add this to any approval?

He's recommending, and I am in agreement with the conditions of approval, that the Deputy Fire Marshal is recommending we add to the existing conditions we've already got in report.

Okay, so we're adding conditions.

Yes, and I'll be happy to read through those.

We need to hear those. This is the Fire Marshal.

Whatever your pleasure is, Chairman, if I read those now or following any other questions.

Okay, and before you do that, give us a quick one-sentence summary of what we're dealing with. We're dealing with converting an existing building into a new use. Give us a one-sentence summary for the record. That's correct.

We are converting an existing building from formerly being used as a cannabis dispensary. It's been vacant for a time into a new worship center. And we're utilizing a use permit process to give the commission the ability to review that proposed new use as it relates to this site and to review draft conditions that could apply. And it's a small commission. worship center very small And so it's located at 16 5 3 7 highway 33 at the south end of town.

That's it All right now everybody's knows what we're talking about here Okay, give us the additional conditions you would like at it. I

First one would be that due to the proposed change in use and occupancy, the project shall comply with the intended use and occupancy requirements of the California Building Code and California Fire Code, which is an A3 occupancy for places of worship. That's a standard type condition, and that's number one. The second one is project design plans must be submitted for review and approval and should be completed by a licensed design professional. All commercial projects require plan preparation by a licensed architectural professional. The third one is a building permit shall be secured for any tenant improvements. Fourth one is no parking signs shall be added along the south fence line as this serves as a fire lane. Dimensions of the parking stalls to the fence line should be included in design submittal. And the last one is operation is subject to inspection of occupancy requirements. And that's it. And so. I have these in writing to add to the project with potential approval of this use permit.

Okay, if that was the text of it at all. That's correct.

Okay. So those are condition 25 through 29.

We would actually number them in the logical location within. I don't want to put them at the end. We like to cluster like conditions. So I would categorize these with the other conditions that are in place already that deal with fire-related conditions.

Okay.

So we'd re-number them into...

Okay. What occupancy are they calling for?

A3.

A-3. Which is the total of what? How many bodies?

It's based on square feet, and it's provided that number is in the staff report, and I don't have that number up right now, and I'm trying to toggle over, but it's in the staff report.

The no parking signs you said, does that change any parking? Does that remove any parking? No.

What it's doing is it's ensuring that people do not park along that fence. You may recall the fences at the backside of those diagonal parking spaces. So people are parking, and they're not likely to. You'd be going out of your way to park behind someone that just parked diagonally, but still it's happened.

I can see why they want to sign. Make it clear. Make it clear. Okay, so how many total?

Well, we have 24 now.

Okay, so you're adding five, so we got 29 total. Okay, just for my short memory.

That's all right.

Okay, all right. I have a memory, maybe. Okay, and what are the departments who have given us any input? Fire, that's from fire, anybody else?

Fire, planning, and then we have, minor comments from our public works department. There's an existing deferred improvement agreement between the property owner and the city. It doesn't apply to the applicants because it involves a requirement for the property owner, not the applicant, the property owner, to connect the city sewer and water services when the city brings them to that part of town. So at that time, as I read it, I believe they have 60 days When those improvements are completed, it starts a sequence of events that are outlined in the Deferred Improvement Agreement that specifies how the property owner is to react to that. Okay.

And is that reflected in the conditions now? No, it doesn't need to be.

I considered it, but as I read through it, I thought it doesn't apply to this use, it applies to to the property, and it's a water sewer issue that the owner's on the hook for, not the applicant's.

Okay, but it's good to let everybody know on the front end that that's what's happening. Okay, so it's not an informal condition, but it's going to be enforced. Correct.

It's recorded against the property already.

Perfect. Good, good. Thank you for that information. Everybody understand all that?

Yeah.

Questions? What do we got here, guys? Questions?

I had a question. In Muslim countries, they do a call to prayer outside on loudspeaker.

Let me open the hearing before you ask for some answers. Okay. Hold on a sec. Hold just a sec. Is there any other questions from the commission for our staff? Anybody? Okay. Let me open the public hearing, and maybe you can have somebody come up to the mic, introduce yourself, tell us who you are. And then we'll personally have some questions. Welcome. Thank you for coming.

Hi, this is Miruddin.

I'm representing the Tawheed today.

Good evening.

Okay, good. I'm glad you guys are here. We do have some questions. Okay, what's your question about the outside?

Call to prayer on the outside. Is that something that you do or you're going to do it on cell phones or how are you going to do that?

So, like, we are not, like, doing it outside. It should be, like, far from inside the house, and also we are not, like, using any outside speaker or something like that. Everything should be contained inside the place.

Okay. So it's not going to be obtrusive to any of the neighbors? No. Anything like that? Thank you.

Don't leave yet. Let's see if you guys have any questions. What other questions? We had another question about parking. No. No. We discussed parking, though, didn't we? And we decided everybody was okay with that. We just need some signs? Correct. All right. Commissioners, we've got our applicants here. Does anybody have any more questions?

Not for them, but I'm going to bring some stuff up.

Okay. Well, thank you. You want to tell us a little more about what you guys are doing? You've got the microphone for a minute. Tell us about how big is your congregation and what's up. Tell us a little about you.

Okay, so, as you know, like, we are the person resident, and we are, like, we are trying to, like, form some kind of, like, worship place for a long time. And finally, like, we got a place that, like, we are working out with the city. And the main purpose of that place is to, like, having a kind of, like, you know, like, Muslim community gathering and at the same time doing the worship. And that will mainly like be apart from five times daily. And it will be like, as you know, like before the sunset, it will be like three times and after the sunset, two times. And it will be like all done within like, I think like during the summertime by 9 or 9.30 p.m. And during that winter season, it will be like done by 6 p.m. And also like we have some kind of like annual, like event or like Christmas, we have something like we call Eid. So we'll have that kind of like gathering there. And also like we weekly, we have a like weekly prayer, mainly like that is the big gathering, the weekly big gathering that we are anticipating. And it will happen like weekly mainly during the like afternoon's time, like I don't know, 1 p.m. or 1.30 p.m. So this is the main purpose of this place. And we are also very thrilled to be part of this community and also practicing our own culture and everything here.

Well, excellent. Thank you. Glad to know a little bit more about you guys, what you're doing. I love it. We're getting a very interesting community now, I think. Thank you. Anybody else have anything to ask our applicant? If not, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. And make sure you get his name okay. Okay. Make sure she gets your spelling properly.

Yeah. M-I-R. And last name is Uddin, U-D-D-I-N. Yeah, thank you. Good. Thanks.

OK, who else would like to address the commission on this item? Anyone? We only have one residential neighbor with I remember from staff report is that correct correct the rest are basically industrial uses do we do we have any response from that the one. Okay that's it okay they may have been they have been notified certainly okay. All right paper and mailers directly okay so everyone has had to be notified all right then any zoomers that would like to comment on this.

As a reminder, if you're attending via Zoom, please use the raise hand function if you'd like to speak. We have nobody interested in speaking at this time. Okay.

Well, thank you. Then I'm going to close the public hearing, and we can take it to the Commission. Is there any thoughts?

Before you make any motions, I have a comment. Yeah.

You weren't ready for a motion. I thought we had some comments. What do you have?

I'm under the impression that the applicants still need to apply for a building permit. I'm sorry, a business license, not a building permit, but a business license. And I don't have confirmation that that's been done yet. Can the applicants address if that's been done? Yeah, do you know if you've... Have the applicants applied for a business license yet? Okay. Apparently you need to. I want to emphasize that one of the conditions of approval that's already in here, it's been in here already, states that the project shall comply with all applicable state and municipal codes, including the current building codes adopted by the City of Patterson and meet the requirements of the Public Works Department, City Engineer, Building Inspector, community development director, and fire chief. But the first phrase of that condition, existing condition number 22, is that it shall comply with all applicable state and municipal codes, one of which would be requirement for a business license. I want to just emphasize that we're calling that out. That's something that needs to be taken care of. So I don't want that to be misunderstood in the event there's any confusion over that.

That's it. And that shouldn't take long. Do you want to take it to the license? No.

It's typically over the counter, but oftentimes the fire, the fire marshal uses that as an opportunity to do an inspection, look for fire extinguishers, proper degaziting. paint striping, et cetera. So that's one of the opportunities we have to enforce many different regulations.

Yes, and a good reminder, gentlemen, there's a whole lot of listed conditions there. I'm sure you read them. Those are all real. You have to do them all. Most of them are pretty standard that everybody has to comply with. Some of them are very specific to your use, but not very many. But all of them are absolutely required. So make sure if you have any questions about them, now is the time. But otherwise, the departments are going to just deal with them with you separately. So you are subject to all those. Okay. Good reminder. What else you got?

Anything else? Did you have something? What do you got?

You got something. What do you got?

You ready? I'm ready.

Okay. I'm sitting down. So I've known this building since I was 12 years old. This building served Del Monte and Baldwin Trucking for dispatch during the fruit season. Is that what it was? It's a very small building. Carlos modified it a little bit, but that building only housed three people. And so with the septic tank system that's there now, and you're going to start putting 30, probably more like 50 people a day going through there, that's a problem. Secondly, as far as the water source goes, that's a real problem. You know where the water comes from? Well, no, it doesn't. It comes from the neighbor over on Poppy. There's about a 1,200-foot black irrigation line going down along the canal and then going in to feed water to the building. And that's like...

So the question is, do we have to have an agreement from them to provide water?

I'm not aware of any requirement for an agreement. The main issue, potential issue with that is the site's ability to meet any fire requirements but we have taken a during this process we have reflected back on the prior approvals where a more intense use was proposed and approved by the planning commission this use is less intensive because it's a sporadic use throughout the day and while there's a potential for a high number of people there it's for a limited duration of time And so additionally, in correspondence we received from the city's chief building official, when given the opportunity to consider matters like this, like water and like other building and tenant improvement related issues, he's confident he can address any of those during the tenant improvement design stage when they get to that, if they get to that, if it's even needed at all. So the chief building official did not have concerns about water or fire abilities of the site. So that was further confirmation to us that we weren't going off on a tangent.

Okay, and he's now been alerted if there's an issue and That's a property owner issue, not so much a use issue. That's part of the building. That's part of the building, yeah.

It's not adequate for people for being there. You know, we're getting back to the original routine where it's, you know, it's, you know, and Carlos only had three or four people there. You know, now we're getting a whole lot of people in a little small space.

Yeah, and that's a fair comment, Commissioner. And that's where the city's chief building official who oversees all building life safety matters in conjunction with our deputy fire marshal was not concerned and knows, believes that that can be addressed immediately. if it's even needed at a subsequent stage. And if it can't for some outside of the envelope reason, they just wouldn't be able to proceed, even if they've got a use permit. If they can't meet any life or basic necessity requirements, that would stop them. This allows for the use, but they still have obligations to fulfill from any building or state building code or state fire code requirements. So that's sort of the city's backstop to protect against any limitations that could otherwise cause issues of life safety or sanitation or what have you.

Yeah, the building safety is really not part of our – somebody should – I mean, it's got to be a safe building for somebody to use it. But if the other part of that is use, how many people, then we have a condition here about – They measure the number of people per square foot.

They've got 34, but it's not defined properly, but they've got 34 people listed here. 34 people in that building, that's a lot of people, and there will be more. So when is the city going to stub everything out to them? We don't know. It's not scheduled.

There's no schedule yet. It's really as funds are available. And as we know, often infrastructure is extended by future development, especially when there's no real compelling economic incentive for the city to expend millions of dollars, you know, several hundred thousand dollars when it's not quite needed or justified there at that part of town right now at this time. Yeah.

I have had a property that didn't have water and had a line from an adjacent owner, and there needed to be an agreement to utilize that water. So I'm sort of surprised that's not necessarily a requirement.

Yeah, and I defer to the fact that this has been reviewed already when we considered it at the commission level for the prior cannabis use approval. This is not a new issue.

Well, I think somebody overlooked it because it's just a black irrigation line sitting on top of the ground. And it's running about 1,200 feet. And that's how that water is serviced. The well that used to service those houses, that was cut off.

I will point that out to our chief building official to look at specifically because I appreciate that comment. and warrants looking at more closely. Yeah, for sure.

And that's not the applicant's issue so much as it is the owner's issue. Correct.

But it could affect the applicant. Yeah, well, it's definitely become an issue.

Okay, but we're approving their use today and not the structural parts of that building. Correct. I don't think we're guaranteeing that building.

It's about the use. It's not about structure. It's about the use.

Okay, yeah, because we can't guarantee that. That building is usable because that's out of our realm. So we can talk about the uses. Right.

It's up to the chief building official to bless it from a structural and a service standpoint.

Besides us. I'm not testing. That's okay. That's not my responsibility.

We'll look deeper at that with the...

So the question before us is the use that they've described and the answers they've given. So that's the issue. What else? What are the comments, commissioners? Questions, issues? What else do we need to know?

I have a question just... Is there already a fire hydrant on the premises? And if so, if not, when will it be put in?

We'll want to ask the applicant who have been consistently making modifications. So that would be a good question for them.

The applicant or the owner?

The applicant. If the owner were here, I'd ask him. And if there's not one there yet, there will need to be one before the business license is finalized.

Okay. Fire hydrant? would be there before the business license?

In order for the fire department to sign off on the business license and for them to have authorization to use it according to the requirements of our business license, they would have to have fire suppression in accordance with city fire standards. with the California Fire Code.

Well, if that calls for fire hydrant, then the city has to put a line out.

I'm sorry. I'm thinking of the handheld fire extinguisher. Did you say fire hydrant?

My bad. It's an existing building.

Whatever's there has been there and will remain there until such time that the Public Works Department deems an additional or other fire hydrant is even necessary. So, again, it's an existing building. A change in use to this level does not trigger a new fire hydrant, as far as I'm aware. But it will require, no doubt, other portable fire extinguishers.

That's already built into this. Okay. Anything else?

What else have we got here?

No?

Okay, so. Motion. What do we have before us? We have the.

Conditional use permit for 25-08. Move approval with two findings and 29 conditions.

Including the five that were read into the record. And for the record, site condition, you have standard conditions on use. You were talking about plans required by an architect, building permit, no parking signs, and inspections is what those dealt with. Right. Okay. Is that your motion?

Yes. Okay. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. Reluctantly?

No. I just think they're picking the wrong spot. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay, there's a motion and a second to approve conditional use permit 25-08 with the existing conditions in addition to five conditions as stated by staff. Commissioner Alexander, how do you vote? Aye. Commissioner Sadu?

Aye.

Commissioner Applin?

Nay.

Vice Chair Bendix?

Aye.

And Chairperson West?

Aye.

Motion passes 4-1.

Okay, so orders. Gentlemen, congratulations. Make sure as you go through those conditions, you do them in the right order. Some of them have to be done before some of the others. So you can get yourself lost in a time delay if you do stuff in the wrong order. So if you need a certain thing before a permit, go familiarize yourself with those conditions so you walk through them in the right timing. Otherwise, you'll get yourself trapped in the time. So that's just some advice. Some of them are triggered by other things. So, good. Well, thank you, gentlemen. We appreciate your time. Thank you. Okay, we do have two other items, one of which we are considering yet adjourning. Development agreement Zacharias Ranch. The recommendation is to adjourn this to a special meeting on December 1st. Do I need to open the public hearing? I do, I do. Okay, since it is on an agenda. I hereby open the public hearing on the development agreement for Zacharias Ranch, knowing that we are probably going to make a motion to adjourn it to a special meeting on December 1st at 6 o'clock here. So with that background, would anyone like to comment in person or on Zoom on the development agreement for Zacharias Ranch?

Anybody on Zoom?

Zoomers, are you out there?

Need a motion to...

Hearing none, let me close our hearing. Okay, there's been no public input. We will close the public hearing portion of that and take up the item with the commission. What would you like to do?

A motion to adjourn or postpone this to time-specific December 1st.

Second, anybody? Second. Second. Let's call the roll.

Okay, there's a motion and a second to adjourn the development agreement for Zacharias Ranch to a special meeting on December 1st at 6 p.m. Commissioner Alexander? Aye. Commissioner Sidhu? Aye. Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chair Bendix? Aye. Chairperson West? Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

I understand we have a quorum for December 1st. I just wanted to affirm that that meeting is set. We encourage all planning commissioners to attend if at all possible, especially those that have confirmed their attendance for that date, 6 p.m. Thank you. All right. Excellent.

Okay. We do have one other public hearing scheduled, and it's Conditional Use Permit 2510, and it's for indoor soccer on First Street, a new location, I guess. All right.

What do we have for us? Our associate planner, Teresa Rodriguez, is here. Teresa, good to see you.

Good evening, Chairman and members of the Commission. It's been a while before I presented before you. Yes, it has. We missed you. Nice to be back. So before you, we have, I will be presenting conditional use permit. 25-10 for Fútbol Es Vida Indoor Soccer that is proposing a new location at 103 North 1st Street. So the request before you is the approval of a conditional use permit to allow A, the relocation of an existing use down on South 1st Street, an indoor soccer facility. And two, an ancillary use of on-site alcohol sales and consumption for or within that facility. So both indoor recreational uses and alcohol sales require a conditional use permit approval before the Planning Commission. They are located in the heavy industrial zone, so we want to make sure that they are compatible with any surrounding uses and future developments within that area. Give you a little more description on the site. The project site contains a 7,000 square foot metal building that will house the indoor soccer turf facility, bleachers and seating for spectators and players, interior restrooms. His old facility or current facility on South First has restroom facilities outside of the metal building. These will provide him with restrooms indoor. They will, of course, undergo any sort of ADA upgrades that are required. And also, it will provide him with... snack bar area, and of course the ancillary alcohol use that he's seeking. The property is fully fenced and gated, providing a secure access for the building during non-operating hours. The surrounding land uses for that area are all industrial businesses with residential uses further down North 1st Street. So not necessarily neighboring properties, but further down North 1st Street there are some residential uses. The operational characteristics that Mr. Cortez is proposing are the facility will be owner operated, so he will be the the main operator for the site. He will be having, as he currently does in his existing facility, men, women and youth soccer leagues throughout the year. He's also proposing to include more youth training and conditioning. He's got a bigger facility, so now that would be something he's able to coordinate a little bit better with a bigger facility. One other item he's also proposing is private party rentals. We know that's a big need here in town. We don't have a place where people can have parties for their children, so he's proposing to do that as well. Another operation includes a snack bar and, as I mentioned, the alcohol sales and an area for him to sell some soccer-related items for either the players or just people in general that are looking for some nothing major, just either cleats, jerseys, shin guards, socks, those items. For those that aren't familiar with how indoor soccer operates, it's a six-on-six game. There's no out-of-bounds because the walls serve as another player for the teams. So, it's very fast-paced. I recommend the Commission, if you ever do have a chance, go take a look at the facility. They're very fast-paced, very exciting games to go watch. His hours of operation, they tend to change. Summer, spring, they go a little bit later in the winter and fall because of the time change. They start earlier in the day, but he does run games every single day of the week. Depending on the age and the league, they all have a different day that they play. Parking and circulation, he is proposing to have 30 parking stalls. which exceeds the 23 required by the Patterson Municipal Code for his type of use. The circulation along this site is designed as one way and wrapping around the existing building, which should promote a safe vehicle flow in and out of the facility. As mentioned, the alcohol sales component would be incidental to the primary recreational use. And this is to help offset his increased operational costs, since it is a larger facility with more operating costs included. To help, staff has included some conditions in the report to help offset some of those safety measures. That may come with the alcohol sales. So some of those are limiting the consumption of two drinks per person, prohibiting alcohol consumption before games. a designated consumption area for those that do wish to purchase alcohol. He is proposing to have a security guard on site, video surveillance throughout the site as well, both indoor and outside of the building. And, of course, he will have a fully approved ABC license before we are even able to sign off on his business license. We are also conditioning the project to a required six-month and one-year review. So at the six months of us signing off on his business license and him operating, we will be before you again for a review. And then at the one-year mark, we will have a CUP review as well. So all these measures are incorporated into the conditions of approval for the project. Environmental review, this type of project qualifies for a categorical exemption under Section 15301, existing facilities. So he's not adding to the building. All of his modifications are all going to be as part of a TI. So staff recommends that if planning commission make the required findings and approve conditional use 2510, subject to the attached conditions of approval within the staff report. The applicant is here. That concludes my report, and I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions the Commission may have.

Thank you so much for the report. Okay, Commissioners, what questions have you got for staff?

Anything? None.

You seem to cover it pretty well. And it seems like in the number I saw in there was 90 people. They could handle 90 people. Was that the number I saw?

Well, that number may change. I know the current occupancy of the building will be changing. It will be changing to like, I can't remember, I think it's A4 or something like that. I can't remember off the top of my head what the fire marshal provided me with. But the final occupancy may change once the fire marshal goes and does his inspections. It may change. But it's always following whatever the current fire code is. And the applicant will be required to post whatever his capacity is from the fire marshal's recommendation.

So his number, not something we've seen in here, will be the final number?

It may be this, but because the fire marshal has not gone out to do his inspection, we won't know what that final number is.

All right. Good.

That's his preliminary number provided to us. Excellent. Thanks.

Any other questions before I open the public hearing? Hey, I'm going to open the public hearing. Let's hear from our applicant. Come on up and give us a chance to ask some questions and give us your name for the record. Hello, my name is Victoriano Cortez. Thank you. Mr. Cortez, where are you guys located now? I didn't see that in the staff report.

We're at a, they used to use it at the Trena. Trena is the owner. It's on 320 South First Street. It used to be an old warehouse. Okay, so you're moving from there supposedly to this new site.

Correct. And what kind of drinks are you talking about? All I've heard is alcohol. What does that mean? That would just include beer cells. Beer only?

Beer only.

And I think we should change the word in our, I would like it to say that, if that's what's being sold.

Okay.

Okay, so that was all your intention was just beer?

Yeah, it's just beer. Our neighboring indoor Turlock, they have that same license, that same type. It's called the Type 40, which is just beer, and children can be around.

Thank you. And when you have private parties, who's kind of keeping an eye on the thing when it's private parties?

There's always going to be somebody, either me or somebody staying around there just in case anything comes up.

And the last question I have is, do you really bounce the balls off the walls? Yeah. How cool is that? Yeah. How cool is that? Fractal. What questions do you guys got? That's all I needed to know. I got to see that.

I know. Well, I'm curious about the map here. You got the visitors and the home team all on one side, and then on the other side, which would be the south side of the building, you got the snack bar and the alcohol, and then you got aluminum bleachers going along there. Is your idea to have those who are drinking to be there in those bleachers, or are they going to be walking around with their beers wherever?

So as soon as you go in through the double doors, there's like a lobby area, and then you go into another double door, and then you go into the field. And I think my plan is just to have them anywhere there, but they cannot bring alcohol out of the building. NEITHER TO THE LOBBY. JUST STAY IN THE BLEACHER AREA. IN THE BLEACHER. NOT TO THE HOME AND AWAY BLEACHERS OR JUST THE SPECTATORS. THAT'S CORRECT.

TO CLARIFY, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ALCOHOL DRINKING WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING. IT IS ONLY FOR EITHER SPECTATORS OR AFTER A MATCH THEY WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE BLEACHER AREA AND CONSUME THE ALCOHOL THERE. NOT WHILE THEY'RE PLAYING.

So my next real conservative question is, is there going to be like a cyclone fence right there?

So there's – Just out of curiosity. It's a wall. The way it consists is a wall, right, because that's part of the playing field. And then it's all netted. So the whole – the rest of the actual turf area, playing area, is all netted in.

So it's like a hockey rink wall?

Wall, partition, and then net. And instead of plexiglass, it's netting. Yeah.

Other questions for our applicant? Anybody? Anything else you want to add? Anything else you want to tell us about your business?

I have a question.

Oh, question. Oh, dear.

How do you plan on monitoring the two drinks per person?

So we're going to adopt a new system where players have to pay a membership, which is roughly $25 for the whole year, and they get a player's card. That includes players and spectators. So every time they go up to purchase a beer, they scan their ID, their player card ID. I know we could adapt a system where it'll count the two drinks they could be able to purchase.

Good question. Well, that brings up a curiosity point. So do you think that having everybody limited to two beers, do you think that's going to push them to be having a case in the car where they're running back and forth?

It could happen either way. Yeah.

See, I'm 21 years old again, okay? You're going to love me too here, but I'm going to have 20 out in the car.

I think, Commissioner, that's where his security guard comes into play, and he would be able to catch that and monitor that.

But there really isn't any reason to limit the two. It's just that they prefer to do that.

He prefers to do that to limit any sort of issue that may arise with the competitiveness of the game.

Yeah, that's fine.

Yeah, because the game's the main thing. That's the main thing.

Is there a Type 40 license? Does that limit? Just beer. Well, no. There's no limit on how much they can consume.

That's correct. It's just what he's able to sell. So he's only able to sell beer, no wine or liquor.

Any questions for our applicant while we've got him?

Yeah, and since this facility is going to be fully enclosed, it looks like, I know the old facility, the net's kind of... There's like a gate that opens up. Is there going to be an HVAC system in here?

That's the plan. We should have a, yeah. There's already an HVAC system in there, and we're trying to keep that and keep it cool during summertime and warm during winter.

That's going to be a challenge. Interesting. What else? Good questions, guys. Good questions. Anything else? All right, give us the last minute. Tell us about your business a little bit. Is it growing? What are you doing? Who comes to play soccer indoors?

So this business opened up in 2016, so I just recently took over in May of last year, 2024, and it actually picked up a lot, including the men's. Women's, kids, youth leagues, and then there's a league that's called Coed, which is men and women, they play in the same team. And so I think we're ready for the next step, something bigger, more modern for the city. I know it's getting bigger, and then we have a couple neighboring towns that come and play to our facility. So that's pretty much it. I think we're ready for the next level.

There you go. So soccer's moving indoors, huh?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Interesting. Interesting. All right. Well, thank you. All right. Thank you. Would anyone else like to address the commission on this item? Would anyone on Zoom like to address the item?

As a reminder, if you're on Zoom and you'd like to make a comment, please use the raise hand function. We currently have no speakers on Zoom at this time.

Okay. We do have one more speaker in person. Give us your name for the record. Welcome.

My name is Gloria Zaragoza. I wanted to speak on behalf of the indoor. I'm a coordinator of a nonprofit called Kick for Autism. So what I do is I coordinate a soccer program for kids with autism. Victor, or Victoriano, what he does for myself is he rents the facility to me at no charge. I started this program about... Six or seven months ago, and the purpose of this program is to help kids with learning disabilities, mainly autism, but obviously open to other disabilities. I myself am an autism mom, so... I have tried putting my son into a regular league, regular games, and obviously it's not the same because a lot of kids with autism need that one-on-one instruction. So the program focuses a lot on this one-on-one. So it's not practices and games. It's more of a... Trying to get like the basics of soccer like kicking the ball dribbling the ball scoring The basic so I wanted to just give that input that he the facility has helped out a lot by basically giving a sponsorship to the program and by allowing us to use the facility to give those kids opportunity to play. And a lot of them are at different levels. Some are more mild, some are more severe. So we do have the kiddos who are more like interactive. Some are more, they just, want to just run around, which is still great because we get them to be active. So I feel like it would be a great asset to get this new facility because it would be a bigger space for them. I've had two programs run so far working on the third, but we're holding off since Victor has been working on transitioning because a lot of kids with autism aren't very well they don't do very well with transition so we've been holding off on trying to start the new program just to see how it all goes and obviously if it doesn't go through we'll start the new program at the beginning of next year but we are hoping that everything goes well so we're hoping for good things that the facility has done really well because outdoor soccer compared to indoor soccer for kids with autism helps them greatly because a lot of kids with autism do what is called stimming, which is pretty much what you can say is just running around. They are not so focused on staying in the borderlines of the field. They just want to elope and just run around and not even try to focus on kicking the ball. So I know as an experienced mom who has put her son in soccer, he just wants to run off and me and dad just chasing him around the field as the game is going on. Yeah. Not so fun, but we have gotten him to be active. So having the facility indoors, obviously it's a closed facility. So having him be indoors has helped us get him to focus more on, okay, like let's kick the ball. We're in the facility. He still obviously tries to run out, but it has helped a lot.

And tell us again the name of your nonprofit so somebody can find you.

It's called Kicks for Autism.

Is there an age limit on the children? No.

So I've had my youngest child be – he was about to be three, and my oldest was 12. But I'm open to any age between 2 to 17. Like I said, my oldest has been 12, so I've had a lot of one-on-ones. Luckily, I've had – A pretty good amount of volunteers helped me out with the program. I've even had the Kohl's Distribution Center, they reached out to me during the first program, and they sent out a couple of their volunteers to help me with the program, so that was really nice. And then I've had a couple local businesses also sponsor some of the kids' equipment because it does get expensive. But that was really nice.

So you say 17 is pretty much the oldest program?

I say because it's for children, but I'm pretty open. If anybody is older than that, I've had somebody reach out to me. One of the moms actually told me that her son was 23, and she did reach out to me that she wanted him to start. And she had started the process of getting him registered, but she had said that they had some family stuff going on, so he didn't end up going there. to the program, but I was pretty open to it. As long as I have a good amount of volunteers to be able to do that one-on-one with the kiddos, I'm open to getting whoever age-wise.

Interesting, interesting business. I love it. Okay, and you would then...

The reason I ask is I've got a 20-year-old grandson... Okay. ...who is physically inactive.

Okay. Well, we're always open to take him if you ever wanted some more information. There you go. We got... The program actually was in the Patterson Irrigator not that long ago, but if you ever wanted some information, I know that it has my information if you ever want to reach out to her to get the information to sign him up for the next program.

Thank you.

Yeah.

And Denise, you got her name.

Good.

Well, thank you, and good luck.

Good luck.

Good job. Who else would like to address this? Okay. We are going to close the public hearing.

All right. A motion to approve Conditional Use Permit 2510 with two findings and 12 conditions.

Is there a second?

Second.

Commissioner Anderson, second. Call the roll.

Okay, there's a motion and a second to approve Conditional Use Permit 2510. Commissioner Alexander? Aye. And Commissioner Sidhu? Aye. Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chairperson Bendix? Aye. Chairperson West? Aye. Motion passes 5-0.

Good. Congratulations, guys. Go make that work. Let everybody play indoor soccer. I love it.

Okay.

We have just a kind of a quick moment for items from staff. Other than our December 1st special meeting, what do you have for us?

We would have the meeting as well the third Thursday of December, which I think would be the 18th. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, really the main thing is please be ready for December 1st. Our city attorneys are really driving the majority of the content of that hearing because it will include three development agreements. They're somewhat similar because they are all part of the Zacharias-Baldwin master plan area, but because the master plan has distinct geographic differences, such as Baldwin South, such as the industrial commercial component of Zacharias, and then the primary part is the residential component of the Zacharias area. but we still have to break it into three different DAs.

Three different, okay.

So it sounds like a lot, but the reality is that there will be a lot of duplication with a few provisions that are unique to those different geographic areas. So try not to be intimidated by the volume of all the paperwork because a lot of it will be the same. So similar exhibits and things like that. And we're, as staff, happy to address questions as they may come about.

I don't see any great activity on Rogers. Closed section.

Yeah, there's a PG&E issue with that, and they take their time, and so we can't rush them. It's PG&E, not TIG? It's a gas line issue. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it seems like I drive by it every day, and it doesn't seem like there's anything happening there. Yeah, we're stuck.

We're a bit frustrated, but with our mercy.

All right. What else you got?

That is it for now. Oh, I will say, we will be commencing our... internal review of the downtown facade improvement grants in a couple of weeks Commission Lin is on on the review committee. So you'll see some material be sent to you soon on that eight applications and five of them meet the criteria to review from from the last I heard that may change but Anyway, so we're looking forward to that

Thank you. The last question is, did we ever send a letter to Save Mart? Not yet.

Not yet.

Because I haven't seen anything change. No, it's a slow train. All right.

Even when they receive it, it won't happen overnight.

I know, but at least I can yell when I'm there. Absolutely. Yeah, yes.

Commissioners? Comments, questions? Okay. All right. In that event, I will adjourn the meeting and thank you all for coming.