Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I would like to call the adjourned regular meeting of the Planning Commission of August 28, '2 thousand twenty five to order, and I would like to have you rise for the pledge of allegiance. I'll lead that tonight.

I'll let you. Go ahead.

No. Said All yours. I'll let you.

All yours, my friend.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. There

you go. Perfect. Good job. Alright. Thanks, you guys. What am I doing? Is this an explosive chair? It seems like something. Is this something gonna happen if I do something wrong? Okay. Let's call a roll, see who's here. We don't have too many folks, but we have some.

Okay. Commissioner Applin. Here. Vice chair of index. Here.

Chairperson West.

Aye. Here.

And let the record show we have three commissioners. We have commissioner Alexander absent and commissioner Hiddew excused.

Alright. So let's let the record show then that we have three commissioners present and a quorum. Okay. Now is the time for items from the public on anything somehow related to what we do, but not on tonight's agenda. So if you got something on your mind that somehow relates to what the Planning Commission does and it is not on our written agenda, now is your time to come forward. Anybody? Zoomers? Any Zoomers? Hearing none, we will move on. No items from the public. Statement of conflict by commissioners. Gentlemen?

I'm here.

Conflict? No. I don't have any as well, so there are no conflicts on the items on the agenda. We have no correspondence. Our meeting our minutes of July 24 need to be approved. Before you make a motion, I have a one little one minor correction. So our next action will be to approve those minutes of the July 24 meeting. But Hey. Hang on. We got Thank you. We Good. We have we're adding another Good. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay.

On those minutes on the fourth page Denise said they aren't numbered, but it's on the fourth page. Up at the top, it says open public hearing seven forty two. At the end of that first paragraph, the gentleman, the applicant was saying that he stated he'd look into expanding the Paseo area, make it more useful for everyone. He agrees with the conditions of approval. That's a nice little sentence, but I want that to add more.

I would like to add to that that the commission raised the issue of enough park, and he agreed to add that additional park and would work with the staff. It sounds like he just sort of thought it up as a passing thought. There was no reference there to the fact that we had mentioned that to him and discussed it with him. We had a discussion with him. He agreed. When he left here, he was happy with being able to add some land. So I just want the record to be clear that he had worked with us, and we were very grateful. We didn't have to ask for much more than his cooperation. So with that, I would like to add that to those minutes. Otherwise, anybody else have anything to add or subtract or multiply it from the minutes?

Move approval as as amended. Second.

Motion and a second. Let's call the roll.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to approve Planning Commission meeting minutes of July 24 as amended. Commissioner Alexander, how do you Aye. And commissioner Epplin?

Aye.

Vice chair Bendix?

Aye. And chairperson West?

Aye.

Motion passes four zero.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, and thank you for taking good minutes. I appreciate that. You guys are keeping track of us. Okay. Our first public scheduled scheduled public hearing is the Baldwin Ranch South tentative subdivision map 2402. This item is to be continued to the September 11 meeting. Is that correct? Okay. So it's on the agenda. So we are gonna open the public hearing for anyone who came expecting it to be held. So I'm gonna open the public hearing for Baldwin South Ranch tentative subdivision map number 2402. Would anyone like to address that? Zoomers?

We'll be out there in Zoomer world. Hearing none, I will close the public hearing. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to continue this to September 11.

Make a motion to continue this item to time specific September 11.

Second. Second. Motion and a second.

Thank you. I I really need

this Let's call and roll. Make sure.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to continue the Baldwin South tentative subdivision map 24 Dash 02 to the September 11 planning commission meeting. Commissioner Alexander,

how do you vote?

Aye. Commissioner Applin?

Aye.

Vice chair Bendix?

Aye. And chairperson West?

Aye.

Motion passes four zero.

Alright. Our next scheduled public hearing is architectural and site plan review No. 2404 West Commerce Park. What do you have for us?

Thank you, Chairman. City planner Joel Andrews is here to present the staff report.

Thank you.

Thank you, and good evening, members of the commission. So this is the West West Commerce Park project. The project site is located on approximately 60 acres that is about 500 feet west of Rogers Road between the California Aqueduct and the Delta Mendota Canal. The area to the east of the project site, in the Southeast, is approved for commercial development with industrial development approved for areas going north between the aqueduct and the canal. In 2012, the city council council approved the West Patterson Business Park expansion project, which provides for over 13,000,000 square feet of business parking commercial development.

The master plan provides development standards and an infrastructure framework for projects West Of Rogers Road, South Of Zacharias Road, and East of the California Aqueduct. And in 2020, the subject site, which is towards the southern area of this map, was redesignated from general commercial use to West Patterson Light Industrial zoning. So we've turned a bit here. North is kinda up into the right or excuse me. Left and toward the bottom.

Reverse that. We have the the Delta Mendota Canal along the northern end of the project and the California Aqueduct to the south, and Rogers Road is this little tail that's sticking out there. So the project's a 1,158,000 square foot distribution center. There would be a new road that extends from Rogers Road through the project site and continues to the north serving future development between the California Aqueduct and the Delta Mendota Canal. The applicant anticipates a single regular shift of 180 to 200 employees, and during peak seasons, there would be a second shift added with 200 to two fifty employees during each shift.

Joel, one second. 250 more or 250 total? Can you give me those numbers again? So because they were in the in the staff report, they were a couple different numbers.

Okay. During so during regular season, 100 to 200. And then during the peak season, they'd have two shifts. Each of those shifts would have about 200 to 250. So 500 total.

Yes.

The primary access point for trucks will be at the northernmost site along the the the new road. It's shown in by that yellow square rectangle. There's about 630, excuse me, feet of stacking distance that's been provided between the road and the entry gate, and conditions have also been included to better ensure that traffic truck traffic doesn't hinder regular traffic on that road. There are three additional access points that are provided. The two in yellow, would be for passenger vehicles only with the red block provided for emergency vehicle as an emergency vehicle access point.

And traffic levels would be within what was originally anticipated for the West Patterson Business Park expansion project, the environmental impact report that was included in that. For parking, passenger vehicle parking is primarily located on the northwest side of the site with some additional parking located on the southeast end of the site. There are 264, truck trailer stalls that would be located along both, of the lawn sides of the building, and conditions of approval have been included to help soften views with landscaping and other features along the road. As with other large scale projects, the city's parking standard may not be appropriate. Under that standard, the project would trigger 1,158 passenger vehicle parking spaces.

As noted, the applicant is anticipating a maximum of 500 employees that would be on the site. The the two shifts would have a point where they're converging that so all of those employees would be anticipated to be on the site, but it's still way less than what would be required under the standard. And so, site plan shows 615 parking spaces, that exceeds the typical one space per 2,000 square feet standard that's, been applied to similar projects in the business park. The elevations, these are on the top three are the the northern elevation. The bottom is the west elevation.

The elevations show a modern approach to industrial building architecture, which includes a variety of materials, variations in height, articulation, and relief, and textures. The mass of the building is broken up through breaks in the roofline and use of color components similar to other projects within the business park. And this is the south and east elevations. The landscape plan shows trees along the perimeter of the site with additional trees in the parking areas, and landscaping and conditions of approval have been included to screen the building and parking areas from view from the roadways some extent. The twenty twelve West Patterson Business Park expansion master development plan included a bridge over the Delta Mendota Canal.

That bridge is shown in blue on this diagram. That would represent an extension of the Keystone Pacific Parkway from the east and connect into the new road in the vicinity of this project. And as we reviewed the project, one of the primary questions was, would this project trigger that bridge? And so we did a study that concluded that the project wouldn't, trigger the bridge. And additional review showed that the construction of the bridge would be both time and cost prohibitive, and a traffic study showed that the bridge would receive minimal use.

And so as a result that it would be a expensive bridge with little use, we looked at this some more, had our traffic consultant look at it, determined that the bridge would not be necessary to serve the the West Patterson Business Park expansion area. And so the addendum to the IR includes moving the plan forward without the bridge. The project would be responsible for its fair share of a another bridge that was included further north. There are a series of access points for that area, the island, basically, between the Delta Mendota Canal and and the California Aqueduct.

Joel, what would trigger that bridge? You said this wouldn't. What what would trigger that original bridge?

So the original was going to be based on traffic need, emergency access, all of those things. And so there's what's included was a to serve the area between the two canals was this access point. This bridge, I'll go back to the original, the larger. There's a bridge farther north, and then there's there's going to be an access point for from Zachariah's Road to the freeway. And so since this was not going to be necessary, this bridge, which may move south, we're working with that developer on on that, would serve as the kind of secondary access point for these areas as it they develop and then as this area is developed that northern access point would be required.

So is the original bridge being eliminated or postponed?

So the addendum is saying it's postponed, but we don't anticipate that it

So are we really

are we really eliminating it

without saying that?

Yes.

What are we doing?

Yes.

It's a bridge that effectively would have served this development, which is not necessary because they would never utilize that bridge.

Okay. Well then, but let's let's make it clear so we don't just sort of shove it in the corner and pretend it might get built if it's never gonna get built. So is it is it out of here? I mean, the bridge is gone? Are we

That's our expectation. Yes.

Okay. So that's part of what we're doing is that bridge won't go in. Some another bridge further north will we will it do instead? It will do the same thing we need here?

Yes.

Okay. Thank you.

Is this project gonna put pressure on Zacharias since you mentioned Zacharias?

No. We don't anticipate anything. Their traffic's going to come out to Rogers and then out through Sperry. Once there's a there is some traffic that would go north on Rogers, but we don't anticipate that there would be much of anything on Zacharias.

Joel, while while we're on hold there, I noticed that this is 22% landscaping. That's I was very impressed with the fact that there's a lot of landscaping in this project. That in tell your presentation also because this is I noticed that seemed like a very high percentage. The site being landscaped.

Heard of that.

Loved it.

That's the you can thank the developer for that. We we talked with that in initial reviews there. We had discussions about the city has an impervious surface requirement. That's maximum of 85% that you can cover of the property. We discussed that. The applicant made some adjustments related to that. Some of that is because the you have a site that, is high on one side and and low on the other, and so, there's some slopes and things that would be included there.

And where's our water going, Joel?

So where's water going? This one, they would have an on-site storm drain basin. There's consideration for studies still need to be done for if that one will percolate. And so the Percolate. As would be required.

There's a condition related to that that if it doesn't meet those requirements, then there's a long term fee that would have to be paid that's the equivalent of 200 maximum of 200 square feet or excuse me. $200 per year for the equivalent of a dwelling unit for their water use, and that's related to some other legal actions that are taking place with the city.

How comfortable are you that we're we're recapturing this water? Are we doing that? That's part of our job.

I don't anticipate that this is a good percolation area. So the expectation is that, this will go into that basin and then, go into the regular system. Long term, the master plan is showing that that's going to that water will go north towards basins that can circulate.

Okay. Good. Thank you. Good.

So reflecting what's already been said, in 2012, there was a West Patterson Business Park expansion environmental impact report that was prepared that went through impacts of the overall project area. An addendum was prepared for this project, which concluded that no new or increased adverse impacts would occur as a result of the project. And so staff's recommendation is that the planning commission open a public hearing, consider the issues, and then motion to approve architectural site plan review number 24 dash o four subject to the findings and conditions. After my presentation, the applicant has a presentation they would like to provide. And I'll also note here that there's a series of letters that have been provided to you.

One from Broadwell Adams, actually a few months ago regarding concerns about the project. There's a another letter from the applicant responding to those comments. And then there's a, one more letter that arrived today that's a notice of settlement from Adams Broadwell, that they appear to be in favor of the project at this point. So that concludes my report. I'd be happy to answer your questions.

Okay. And did everyone receive those letters? All right. Thank you, Joel. Questions for our staff, anybody? Who's got a question for Joel?

So if the percolation pond doesn't work, they're going to be paying $200 per square foot.

So and that is intended to Mitigate the Yeah. Mitigate the water usage for for that business park area fund specific to this project.

And that will will that pay for the bigger basin, the permanent basin? Is that where that might be?

That could be one of the potential uses of those funds.

Yeah. That's where it should go. We've got to get the water underground. We know that. We know that. It's got to go back down. Okay, other questions?

Okay.

All right. Let's open the public hearing then. Who would like to address the commission on this item? If we have our applicant, I'd love to hear from him first, if we could do that. That's a good start. That gives everybody background. Thank you, sir. You're welcome to come right up next. Thank you. All right.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, commissioners, and very happy to be here. I yeah. It's

Could you state your name and address?

My name is Taylor Lesseth. I'm with EPD Solutions, the owner's representative working with them through the entitlements. I've been working hand in hand with Joel and, to an extent Brian at in the latter part of the project entitlement process. Yeah. That's the presentation right there.

I'll let you drive it. So one thing that Joel's presentation did not have were some renderings. We did have a couple last minute renderings put together based on the elevations that you previously saw. This one being the elevation to the southeast with the truck dock there on the left side, proposed landscaping, etcetera. So a part of my presentation is and I try not to be repetitive here based on a lot of the things that Joel said.

There are some things in here that would be repetitive. That being said, I kinda wanna give you an introduction to our owner user for this property. This would this project is gonna be a build to suit with owner user. Our client is Lochtech, the parent company for Litangs LLC, who are office equipment manufacturers and distribution. So we move on to the next one.

Thanks. So Loctech, in particular, founded in 2020 with operations in The US and internationally, focused on innovation and comfort promoting healthier lifestyles. For example, some of their products that they put together are sit stand desks, monitor arms, and other office related computer functionality related items. Lichtang's, which is the subsidiary for Lochtech, provides the warehousing, fulfillment, and distribution services. We have close partnerships with several major retailers throughout the globe, particularly domestically, Staples, Office Depot, Walmart, and Home Depot.

So they are distributing, warehousing all of the products nationwide. The location we some items to note on the location is immediate access to the Interstate 5 and Highway 99 for fast regional shipping. One thing that is important to note here and why this location is so strategic for the distribution and shipping of these materials, warehousing distribution and shipping of these materials as its close location to the Port Of Oakland as well as the Bay Area for smooth shipping to other areas of the country. So that would be if you have drought tolerant landscaping, there is the rendering we had up before. We can move on to the next one.

A little bit more of a better visual depiction of the color elevations that you previously saw in Joel's presentation as well. Conceptual site plan. As Joel mentioned, a little over 1,100,000 square feet with another 10,000 square feet of proposed office, 5,000 up, 5,000 down, where the location of that proposed office is still yet to be determined in final engineering. But we have some potential office locations put together in our entitlement package, schematic design package. Infrastructure improvements.

As Joel mentioned, the need for the bridge was determined through a traffic study as unnecessary to support the functionality of the project and immediate surrounding parcels. We had approximately we had the traffic study Let me pull back. Excuse me. Within the specific plan EIR, there was an amendment done a number of years ago to change the land use from general commercial to light industrial. The that analysis analyzed a land use that was much more intensive than this proposed land use.

So as a result, the analysis was redone to determine that our proposed passenger car equivalent trips are actually 83% less than what was proposed on the previous specific plan land use of general commercial, which was primarily retail. So we have significantly less trips as a result. The immediate impact to the surrounding intersections and right of ways is significantly lessened by 83%. As part of that, we anticipate providing new public road dedicated to the city of Paterson and a class one bike trail as well, as well as off-site improvements and frontage improvements along Rogers Road, which include new curb, gutter, striping, I believe, a northbound left turn pocket, and a southbound deceleration lane, paving, striping, grading, etcetera. A lot of this was already discussed.

But yes, sustainability, job creation, infrastructure improvements, our underground attention basin for storm drain. We will be making significant improvements to our project frontage, sustainability, bike path, biggest one kind of being job creation and economic growth for the immediate community. And I am happy to answer any questions. I hope I wasn't too repetitive on some of the number on some of the items that Joel had already discussed. We have on the line, on the Zoom call, several members of my team from the traffic and technical team, as well as the CEQUA team to answer any technical related questions on the analysis portion as well.

Thank you. Questions for our applicant, gentlemen?

What's your water usage estimated?

That is a good question. I believe we have Terrence on the line who worked on our CEQA team to put together the final addendum to the specific planning IR. I believe there were that data was held within the addendum. I'm not sure if he has the answer to that question, but I am not sure off

the top

of my head.

You mentioned manufacturing. Is this going to be distribution or manufacturing or both? What's going to occur here?

Warehousing and distribution of

the But no manufacturing? No. That's too bad. We're hoping to move into the manufacturing realm now.

That's why our trips were so low.

Manufacturing. Yeah, when you said that, I thought, oh, good, because that's where we're going to go next. Okay, questions of our applicant?

Had question, if we could have the site plan up there real quick. With the road that comes in off of Rogers, right where it says improving Rogers Road, that little box. To the left of that box, there's a triangular area that's kind of a lighter brown than the area under. That's part of your property. Correct?

That is not part of our property.

That's not. Okay. So it's just shaded is it shaded for a certain reason?

That is where our underground detention storm drain detention basin is anticipated to go. We have agreements with that property owner.

To the south? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

All right. Other questions while we have our applicant?

And on the north side of the new road, there are also shaded portions. Is that your property, too, or is that what's with those?

That those green shaded portions you're referring to?

No, north of that.

North of that. No, that's not our property. All

right. Other questions? Okay. If not

You thinking about something?

Alright. We may call you back up. Thank you.

Sure thing. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Alright. Okay. Who else would like to address this? Good evening. Good evening, man.

How you guys doing? Good evening, commissioners. My name is Jason Miranda. I'm with the Plumbers and Pipefitters Union. I'm representing my Patterson members got a few right here sitting with me and also several dozen Patterson households who belong to sheet metal, electrical, sprinkler fitters, and ironworkers unions.

These Patterson families are also supporters of the Stanislaus residence for responsible development, and we advocate for the projects that promote sustainability and equity in the communities we live in. We did have some concerns about this project, and we've been working hard with the developer over the past few weeks and to resolve those issues. I believe he got the letter. Happy to report that we reached an understanding with the developer regarding the project's environmental impacts. As a result, the project will be safer for the construction workers who will build it and for the Paterson's residents.

The developer has also made a commitment to hire the local construction workforce, which means a few million dollars in construction wages and will help stabilize local families and be spent at businesses and areas in local communities. We also have just got received a few young apprentices in our program that live here in Patterson, so they would have a chance to work on this project. And when developers commit to using our apprentices, it means we can open up more slots in our programs for Patterson young workers and veterans and anybody else who wants a middle class career. So I encourage you to support the West Commerce Park project. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you. That's always good to hear that people are working stuff out. Thank you for working it out before coming to us, everybody, because it's tough for us to judge who's right and who's wrong. The fact is we need good workers. We need good work. We need good buildings. And thank you all for being part of that. And we need good projects. Mister Beaner, welcome.

And staff. Larry Beaner here. The storm drain, Is that the black area right up there? What size is that storm drain?

Offhand, I don't I'm not sure.

This whole side 60 acres, Larry. What's the corner there?

Okay. But is that Stern Brain on the 60 acre?

No.

I didn't think so.

I would guess it's a five acre lot. They have the applicant has made an agreement with the landowner of that area to

I don't think so. He's never talked to me.

Was my understanding. Okay.

Nobody's ever talked to me about that. That's why I'm asking what size that storm drain is. Nobody's talking to me about that. Is that gonna be a permanent or temporary once they able to get the storm the water to the to the new recharge area.

My understanding was that was a permanent basin.

It's permanent? It is. Well, they better be talking to me before they before they're gonna build it. I'd like to know what size it is.

Did that happen through your partner?

Well, maybe. That's why I gotta find out. I'm the major partner.

Are you okay with what's going on here?

Well, maybe, but I'd like to know more about what size and

and, has it been And where's your property, Larry? Yes. Where is yours? That is yours? Show us what's yours there.

Up here and down here. We sold that piece.

Okay.

But is that where the storm drain is, or is it in the gray area adjacent to the property? No. No.

Asking, is that is that storm drain?

No. Showing the basin in that area. Yeah.

Yeah. That's our property. I'll come in. On on this property. Is the developer here?

We had agreement with Joe Hollowell.

Let's come on up to the mic. Yeah. Come on up. Thanks. Larry, give me give me the mic for a second, and let's get your question answered.

Is Joel Hollowell your partner?

He's he's one of the partners. He's one

of the partners. Yeah. So we have an agreement with Joel Hollowell that easement will be placed over that, and the future development of both of those properties would be able to utilize that basin for their own storm drain purposes as well in addition to ours. So that basin would connect into the new road there and is discharge accordingly for any overflow. But Joe Hollowell has been the primary contractor.

We're only asking four acres here. Right. So we don't need very much storm for that.

That would cover

development on the site. This is downhill. It would take quite a pumping deal to get that water back there.

Right.

Well, if you're interested in purchasing that, you can talk to us. We'll have a meeting or something, but

Of course.

But anyway, it's not planned the greatest.

Yeah. Larry, before you sit down, are you what what are you where are you on this? Have you got a problem on this that we need to deal with?

Well, don't like doing more math. That's why I'm asking the size of the.

I don't have the exact size, but I believe our civil engineer may be on the line as well. Mark with David Evans and Associates.

Well, ask him and see.

Yeah. Hi. This is Mark Oskoros with David Evans and Associates. Are I'm assuming we're referring to the storm drain that's coming out of the basin?

Correct. Yeah.

Yeah. That hasn't actually been sized yet. This is all conceptual, so we don't know what the discharge rate needs to be just at this time, so we haven't actually sized the bay the the storm drain line yet.

Well, that's something that we ought to know. I mean, I'm not against the project. That's fine. But I'd like to know the size of that and if you're gonna be participating in purchasing part of that property. I mean, if we use part of it, that's one thing. But we've only got four acres there. And that looks like to be 40% of it or so.

Okay. And Larry, if we go ahead and approve this, are you in a spot where you can work this out with them? Or you've have you got a are we blocking you somewhere?

We'll we'll work with them. I mean, I'm for development. I understand this, but this kind of blindsided me. This is first time I've seen this.

Yeah. Well, apparently, partner has seen it before, but we need to make it clear. I don't want any confusion here. We need to move forward. So if you're willing to work with them on this We're

more discussion about We

can take it on its face.

Storm drain down the way. It needs to work for everybody.

Absolutely. Okay. If you guys are willing to work together, we can move ahead as if this were if this Yeah.

Well, we can move ahead with the understanding that we're gonna have discussion about the storm drain.

This came this is a bit

of new

news to me. I I did not

know. Me too.

Joel Joe Hollowell had a partner.

You're the big partner.

You need to stay up by the mic so we can everybody get on the record. We're we we record everything. Okay, guys. Just I I think of you. Larry, do you understand now what is what's what's up in your

Yeah. No. I understand. But I but if you approve it, the understanding that we're gonna negotiate on the storm drain portion of this will

give Do you want a condition, Larry? You want an extra condition added that they're gonna gonna negotiate with you? Yes. We'll add a condition.

I think that that was always the intention the entire time to work with Joel during final engineering on what that would look like and come to our final agreement. So that's not new news. That being said, I apologize. I didn't know

you were a part I wish they would have contacted me. I mean, I've been real busy. Mean, Joe is a But small partner on anyway, we gotta we gotta have some negotiation Of course.

With the Right. You guys. Yeah. Alright. If you guys are gonna work I together

mean, I'm not against it, but I

wanna We will assume that that as it is.

I'm not sure what we're I'm talking not sure what we're are we talking about just this piece here? No. No. This one? Yeah. No. I thought

I thought that's the one he was Joel, where are you? Where's our basin?

Point to it. The one Larry's pointing at is the designated spot for this.

Yeah. But anyway, ask your engineer to get his size on that and see what we're talking about.

That would be kinda worked out. Alright.

Well, I guess They

finally need to do a perk test. I know that it needed size.

There would there would need to be a construction level.

Yeah. All right, guys need to you're agreeing to get together, we're going to add a condition that you're going to

work it out. I've seen it.

Okay. Yeah. Good. Thanks both of them. Thank you both. Anyone have any questions for either of them while we got them up there? Nobody? Thank you, guys. Okay, we're still open public hearing still. Who else would like to speak to this issue? Any Zoomers? No Zoomers?

No, we have

Okay, we got one more. Welcome.

How are doing, guys? Marco, Marco Omada. I'm with the community. I'm 100% I for think I've shared that publicly before. 100% for development. I enjoy the agreement with the union. My dad is a business agent with the union out of Stockton my whole life. So I loved everything about it. Now, one thing it's a simple concern, I think it's something that many of community members and residents will definitely follow-up with me on is traffic with this area. So I guess two part question. The first one before we get into anything is, we come back to that bridge? I was a little confused on understanding what bridge that we decided not to construct or improve.

Let us switch presentations.

One one question with regards to the bridge. Obviously, it has to be approved by the canal people? Yes. And are they if in fact it's going to be built, have they approved it?

So there are conditions related to the process for that. It has not been approved. It would be a long process.

It would be premature to seek approval from them before the planning commission even took action on it. Okay. Yeah.

So for this large scale one, it would be Keystone Pacific Parkway extending down to the project sites, and then we'll go to the Zoom one. There you go.

Okay. So at this moment okay. So at this moment, can we go to, like, a satellite version?

Not right now. I don't have that No. Capability right now.

Okay. So, like, something like this, if we built the bridge, it it would it would be going to nowhere at this moment? It's more for

So for It it would t it would cross the canal and t in around this area.

Okay. So it really wouldn't benefit until we have more development, which we would have more development going going north?

Yeah. So there would be additional development between the canals going north. Our traffic study showed that the traffic patterns that would be used, they'd be going down this road to Rogers up north or this other road, and Mhmm. This bridge would not be used very much. Okay.

At this time, though? I mean, it's something that in the future would be probably a main point of

Not according to our consultant.

A lot of what happened was what Taylor mentioned that this used to be this site was previously zoned for general commercial development. Uh-huh. And so it was a lot more retail traffic within town. Yeah. People cutting through that way to get to this project. Since this is industrial now, it's jobs and trucks and Yeah. It's a different traffic pattern. Okay.

Okay. And so traffic let's say traffic, because I think part part of the presentation was stating this would allow for same day deliveries or one day deliveries or whatnot, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So it is going to cause a lot of traffic, a lot of new traffic. Good traffic. It's business, right? And I'm for that. But how does that affect our our wonderful freeway exit, I 5 exit at Sperry?

So there's development. We're working with the county and Caltrans. The the interchange is outside of the city limits, and so it's a county project.

Got it.

But the city has the most interest in it, so we have taken the lead on it. We're So

curious, are we talking about?

No. This is Sperry Avenue.

Because this is what the This is mean, they would utilize that. Right?

So, yes, we're working with both of those agencies to expand that. It would be four lanes underneath expanded on ramps and off ramps in all directions

to I'm a bit familiar with the with the project itself for that. However Is

it normal

time? Timeline

Hold one sec. What was you what were you saying, Joe? What were you I was

asking Brian if he had a timeline. I wanna say the last I heard was they were working on next year, '26, initiating that.

I and I don't have

any One

of the things I saw in the paper was not only was the city county involved and Caltrans involved Since it's a federal highway, the feds were involved also. And that probably pushes the project out to never?

So, no. I'd say just the opposite that the federal involvement is that the city manager and city engineer a year ago went to Washington DC and were lobbying for funds for that interchange. And so that there's I don't I believe there have been funds that have come from the federal government for that.

Well, clearly, we're all concerned about that traffic.

Yeah. So I I again And

we all show your concern.

Yes. I I think I think it's not anything specific to this project exactly. It's just this is part of a much larger project, as we all know, and a very exciting project that it seems that we are just still routing the same traffic through the same area. And I know we're going to be discussing on September 11 another project that's a little bit more south than this that will bring more traffic, residential traffic. Again, all very exciting.

I would just want to make sure that the Planning Commission continues to keep focus on the traffic in that area and any new businesses or companies that are coming to town that are contributing to the safety of traffic in that area as well. But that's all.

Okay. Thank you. Alright. Anyone else? Larry. I think I'm the last.

Yeah. Larry Beaner again. Yeah. With all the the new traffic okay. So that design they're working on, does that include the other two lanes across the Aqueduct Bridge also?

That's a different project. So there are plans right now to expand the bridge. It's not the initial plan is to provide the infrastructure to expand that bridge on Rogers Road to four lanes, but that project won't expand it to four lanes at this time.

No. Not the one on Rogers Road. But the aqueduct on Sperry Road.

Yes. That's expansion of that for the California Aqueduct is included in that project.

So it will be part of the the project of the offering redoing the offering? Yes. Okay. Because it's gonna be a traffic cluster to say the least. Hopefully, you can do all at once and not got two different phases of it.

That's the plan.

From what I understand, the accurate update they've engineered the the feeder in the water for the other two lanes. They just got a design building a lane on both sides.

Yeah. I believe that that's set up for expansion.

Yeah. The last I heard, when the bridge is built, there's additional feet in the water now for additional lanes. So hopefully, that still works. All right. Thank you. You. All right.

Anyone else? All right. We are going to close the public hearing. Any final questions, thoughts from the commission? Anybody? Okay. Thank you all for everybody's participation. I'm glad to see everybody cooperating on this thing. Thank you all for being here and cooperating. I will entertain a motion of some sort and remember the extra condition.

CHAIRMAN Got it. Move approval architectural and site plan review 2404 with two findings and 127 conditions. The additional one with the recommendation of the communications between developer and the B. Riley, the

the expert.

Second. Everybody clear? Motion to second. Thank you. Let's call the roll.

Okay. There's a motion and a second to approve architectural and site plan review '20 Four-four, the West Commerce Park, with the additional condition as stated. Commissioner Alexander, how do you vote?

Aye.

Commissioner Applin? Aye. Vice Chairperson Binnicks?

Aye. And chairperson West.

Aye. Motion passes four zero.

So ordered. Thank you all. Thanks for your input everybody. We appreciate everybody's thoughts. You know, they're all important. Items from staff. What do you have?

Joel has been instrumental in processing our city's housing element. And this fall, we will be bringing to the commission more components of that, including different portions that require the city to perform municipal code and general plan code updates in order for our code to comply with the the pending city housing element. And so just kind of heads up, there'll be additional meetings consistently throughout the fall. And, John and Joel, if you wanted to share a bit more, specifically any time frames that you can, if there are any that are clear that you're comfortable sharing.

There's a so it's submitted now. There's a time frame that we work with the state on that. And so we expect that that will probably, at the earliest, will come back to the commission in October. And from there, it would go to the city council and then back to the state for final certification.

And this is some of those new state pressures. Right?

Yes.

Okay. Now let me warn you. I'm I'm doing a rezoning for a client now in Modesto, and they've come up with something I never heard before. They have minimum zoning. They not only doubled all their densities, but they now have minimum densities.

And I was told that we will we shall build on this property at least this many units and no more than this. But the numbers were crazy. And so some of these cities that are just taking the state's advice and just throwing all this weird stuff in there, Don't bring us anything like that because we need we need logical logical densities and logical requirements. So what I'm saying is I'm hearing some from the other cities I'm working with where the state's really putting pressure on to come up with some weird stuff. So be careful.

Be careful. There's no densities different than what we brought to the commission Yeah.

No. No. Is what getting rid of parking is what you saw previously. Setbacks and all that stuff.

Yeah. This is what you saw previously. No changes from that. So there would be changes to the density range for the downtown core and the high or high density residential zone. Think that's it.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's because I'm I'm just saying I see some weird numbers. 30 units for R 2. You're gonna put 30 units an acre in R 2. That's crazy. That's insane. Anyway, that's off the that's off the anyway, be careful because don't let the state just stuff shove some bunch of numbers down our throats. They'll do it. We know they'll do it. We've seen them do it before. Anybody else got anything to add?

Yeah. Well, the only thing I had was a few months ago, I requested information on the conditional use permit for Safeway or Save Mart and the number of parking spaces that were designated for handicap. And I'm just it looks like it's getting less and less. And I'm just wondering if we have any insight as to what was originally approved. I know it's history. We have to go into history and Yeah. To figure it out. But I don't have the history. You do.

So they changed that?

Joel, do you have

They reduced that?

History with the Save Mart Center?

I know we looked that up and found it was found the number, and we reached out to them. I don't know what else has happened from there. We'll check on that.

When you get an update, you're still interested?

Yeah. I'm, you know, I'd like to know what's going on. It's getting worse.

Yeah. Okay.

I would like to know too.

Good. Good. We got a couple. Thank you. Thank you for looking that up, What else you got? Anything from the Commission?

It was good to see in the paper that we have a broken arm on one of the poles from the traffic light, and that's what the problem is with the traffic light off of it was in the paper today, the irritator.

I missed that.

Yeah, I know. You were busy writing your own paper.

Busy. Yeah.

So the question was, are we going they were going to do traffic changes for that, but I'm not sure. I couldn't understand what they were really trying to do. The resultant was, is the truck that damaged the the traffic light paying for all this?

That's not something that the planning division's involved with at all. Yeah.

Yeah. I know it's not our but the the fact is that we are encumbered by this traffic light that's not working. And now all of a sudden, there's a chance it might be working three ways instead of four. So I that was in the paper today.

Where there are opportunities for us to reclaim damaged funds, we our legal office pursues that where we are able to do that.

We have a legal office?

We have a city attorney office.

Different question. Different question.

That's a

different question.

I'm sorry. There were notices about the with all the money we're spending on attorney's fees up in up in Sacramento, maybe we ought to have our own attorney.

Different different issue.

Different issue. I'm just you asked for issues for.

Alright. I'm

bringing up issues. Alright.

Yeah. Just hoping everybody stays on top of here pursuant to the Brown Act. Thanks. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. I'm finished. What else we got from commissioner or staff?

Hey, let's backtrack a little bit. We forgot one item. It's the Planning Commission selection of the representative for the downtown improvement program.

Yes. We have an item on the agenda for the commission to select one representative to sit on the city's

Thank

downtown facade improvement program grant review committee. We have limited grant funding to support facade improvements in the downtown area, and we have requested a planning commission nominate and choose one member to participate.

I'm looking for volunteers, commissioners.

Very limited basis. It will not be a regular set of meetings, but

it will be guys. Take care. Volunteers. I'm looking for a volunteer. I don't wanna I'll do with somebody else that wanna do it. You wanna do it? You wanna do it? No. That no. You're not a downtown

I'm just not a volunteer.

Alright. We need a volunteer.

You did.

I'll do it.

Perfect. We got a volunteer with with two two hands up, so he'll be a double volunteer. Put him down twice. Thank you, and thank you for reminding us. With that, that's the last item on our agenda, and I'm adjourning the meeting. Thank you all.