City Council - workshop

Good evening and welcome to the City of Pasco Council Workshop Meeting. The Council thanks you for being a part of your city government. At workshop meetings, the Council discusses issues, but no formal action is taken. Agenda packets are available on the City of Pasco's website at www.pasco-wa.gov slash agenda. This meeting is also being televised live on PSC TV channel 191 on Spectrum Cable in Pasco and Richland and is streamed on the City's Facebook page, website, YouTube channel, and Microsoft Teams webinar. This and previous council meeting video is available on the city's website. Lastly, the public may submit their comments and or questions by contacting the city manager, city clerk, or by using the Ask Pasco app. With that, Ms. Sanchez, would you call the roll, please? Here. Here. Present. Present. Here. Present. I am here, thank you, if everyone would rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, moving right on. Number four, verbal reports from council members. What's everybody been doing this week?

On Saturday, I just had a great time just going out and just checking out Pasco. Just to remind everybody, we have an amazing city. And was able to go out to the Farmer's Market and saw all the good stuff there. Then went to the game, our Little League Pasco. Pasco National Intermediate All-Star Team played for the state championship. And they won 3-0. Yeah. Yeah, so congratulations to them. Cherry on top is they beat the Seattle team. That's always good. And they're going to be going to regionals in Arizona. So they're looking for support. And if they do well there, when they win, they're going to go to the World Series. So let's continue to support them and everything. And then after that, I closed off the day at the Hub and got some good food. So overall, City of Pasco is rocking, doing awesome stuff. So continue doing good stuff. Love it.

Mr. Cotter. Yeah, we had some boards and commissions interviews last week on Wednesday. That went really well. The council has to approve the recommendations, but everybody found a spot. We had a lot of great, talented people apply, and they were all like, well, if I don't fit here, I'm willing to go here, and we found a spot for everybody on the boards and commissions. So it worked out wonderfully. So looking forward to having them on board.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Anybody else? Our Ben Franklin Transit regular meeting was on Thursday, and really the only item of interest was they did their six-year capital improvement plan. And one of the issues there wasn't really an issue. It was actually a great decision, I thought, where they backed off of what was going to be a training program to invest money more in customer-facing and service-orientated projects. type issues, and not that training's getting put aside, we want those guys to be trained, but just working on other opportunities rather than a complete facility for that and everything. With that, let's move on. Item number five, these are items for discussion with opportunity for public comment, and we are going to begin with letter A, a presentation overview of the Broadmoor Master Plan, and we are going to Ms. Mattson. I see Mr. Raymond, is she online?

Actually, I am happy to introduce Ivan Barragan, who is going to be doing the presentation this evening for the Broadmoor. Thank you, Mr. Raymond. Good evening, Ivan.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. Thank you for having me today. Thank you, Craig, for the opportunity. Does a clicker here work? just let you know next slide no work okay I don't see a clicker so all right so tonight's presentation is intended as a brief overview of the Broadmoor master plan where we are today what has occurred since adoption and where staff sees the planning area heading over the next several years this is informational only the Brad were master plan was adopted by City Council in April of 2023 Yeah, that slide, please. This map, no, the previous one, thank you. This map shows the Broadmoor Planning Area, generally bounded by the, oh, thank you so much, generally bounded by the Columbia River, Burns Road, Broadmoor Boulevard, and Interstate 182. This is the city's largest planned growth area. Rather than allowing development to occur on a parcel-by-parcel basis without coordination, the city established a comprehensive long-range plan for the entire area. The plan includes a master site plan review process for commercial development, open space, and multi-family residential projects, including apartment complexes. The planning area is approximately 1,240 square feet situated in northwest Pasco. It helps coordinate development, coordinates infrastructure, ensures roads, utilities, and parks keep pace with growth, prevents piecemeal development. The vision is to create a true mixed-use community, not simply subdivisions but neighborhoods connected with commercial services. employment opportunities, parks, trails, and transportation options. The plan is also supported by a programmatic environmental impacts statement, which means a broad environmental review that evaluated the anticipated impacts at build out. So here we have road classification map. Principal arterials are found in orange. That's Broadmoor Boulevard and Burns Road. Minor arterial is such as Sanford Parkway. Collectors are found in purple and neighborhood collectors are found in blue. A comprehensive traffic impact analysis, TIA, was completed as part of the Broadmoor planning process to evaluate and anticipate traffic impacts throughout the Broadmoor area. The analysis considered a range of potential residential and commercial development scenarios. During project review, the city typically It requires a trip generation letter to verify that a proposed development's traffic impacts fall within the assumptions and thresholds established by the accepted TIA. We already had several significant developments approved, and this is a slide I want to spend the most time in. In red, outlined in red is what was approved before the Broadmoor Master Plan. So before April 2023, we have Solstice, a 306 single family home subdivision. We have Affinity and Hydro, a 426 apartment units complex, including senior housing. And the Dunes, which is a 222 single family home subdivision. And one subdivision was approved, and that's outlined in orange. That's Columbia Shores. That is a 484 residential subdivision, primarily attached housing. That was approved at the same time that the Broadmoor area was brought into effect. And post-Broadmoor area, submitted since adoption, is the Pasco Aquatic Center, the Grove, a 103-lot subdivision, and Desert Bloom, a more recent subdivision. That's a 122-lot subdivision. The current status that we have covers approximately 292.87 acres associated with approved or proposed development, and it represents approximately 24% of the 1,240-acre Broadmoor planning area. While STOF has held numerous pre-application meetings since adoption of the Broadmoor Master Plan, only a limited number of projects have entered the formal review process. We can now add the Visconsi project, which many of you heard about in recent discussions. The project is currently undergoing review of a master site plan. That's this site here, where my cursor is at. for those of you that aren't too familiar with it, the first application of its kind, the Master Site Plan in the city of Pasco under the Broadmoor Master Plan. So here we have a land use map. So we have red, we have a small percentage of red. And then we have mixed residential, a mix of residential and commercial. and some open space. And reclamation area. So this slide illustrates how land uses are distributed throughout the Baltimore area. The reclamation area is expected to remain in place through approximately the year 2035. Once reclamation activities are complete, land use designation is anticipated and that's this area in blue here, to transition to medium density residential, allowing it to become part of the broader development envisioned in the Broadmoor Master Plan. Here are the percentages. So this chart shows the percentages of the planning area dedicated to each land use. As you can see, the largest share is designated for mixed residential commercial, followed by medium density residential. Looking ahead, the percentage of medium density residential is expected to increase after 2035 when the reclamation area transitions to its planned residential designation. Even though development is beginning, most of the Broadmoor remains undeveloped. We want to preserve the original vision, improve clarity, maintain balance between housing, commercial, and continue coordinated infrastructure. Today, approximately again, 24% of the planning area is associated with approved or proposed residential development, while only 1% is associated with the aquatic center within the mixed use designation. So some potential code and zoning updates. While the city is currently undertaking a unified code development update, Staff anticipates that the Broadmoor area will remain largely outside of the scope of the broader citywide amendments due to its unique planning framework and adopted master plan. We're mainly looking at improving clarity, making regulations easier to administer, improving predictability. We're going to look at building heights, parking, street trees, mixed use standards. We're also gonna evaluate RT zoning, which is residential transition zoning. Some of that exists in the Broadmoor area and neighborhood residential, as well as look into the new state housing legislation, make sure we're abiding by those. Again, these are planning discussions only and not proposed amendments at this time. then one area staff would like to continue evaluating is neighborhood scale open space instead of relying only on large community parks we want to consider pocket parks plazas gathering spaces neighborhood amenities as residential increases having a small recreational opportunities closer to where people live becomes increasingly important and then To close it off, overall the Broadmoor Master Plan continues to provide a long range framework for coordinated growth while aligned flexibility as development occurs. Staff anticipates continuing to refine the Broadmoor overlay district over time to improve clarity, usability, while preserving the vision originally adopted by council. Before I conclude, I'd also like to mention one item that was not included in either the staff report or tonight's presentation. So that's approximately 300 acres within the Broadmoor planning area remain unannexed into the city. The total includes an initiation annexation that is currently scheduled for council consideration next week. And with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

Thank you for your presentation, Mr. Ivan. Start with the mayor pro tem. Thank you, Mayor.

As the longest City Council member still on, I've seen a lot of plans come and go. I don't know if that's good or bad. But anyway, so yeah, I know we had talked about a park at one time in the Broadmoor, a big park. Obviously, it seems like that ship has sailed. I know we've talked with the previous city manager, and he said that, or maybe it's Howard Stewart, but that the price was too unaffordable for the city of Pasco, and maybe we should have bought it seven or eight years ago. But with that in mind, my question is, on the shoreline, do we own that, or who owns that at the moment? I know there had been talk about having, like, taxi service go from there to Howard-Amen and then go to the Kennewick area. the wine facility, and, you know, try to make it more where you would go from one part to the next, some really cool features. So, I mean, do we own this land? Do we actually have trails? Do you know who owns that? I know there's also the Shoreline Reconvance, but is the Corps involved in this, or are they not involved? I just want to get some clarification.

I thought the Corps was involved. I don't know who owns that land.

Craig, do you have any input on that? I believe it is the Army Corps of Engineers owns it.

Okay.

Have they talked about, because I know with Chihuahua, they're always very difficult to deal with what we'd like to do and what they allow us to do. Have they actually said they could have pathways and stuff like that through here?

I can answer some of that question. There is shoreline, as in technical line in the shore there, that is managed by Army Corps. There are also private homes and land there Overall, there's been discussion of moving the shoreline road in the past to create more opportunity for development along the river shore. But at this time, that larger piece of land that would be developable is not owned by Army Corps, it is owned by private landowners. So we would work with them to create vision that would be palatable for them as well.

Okay well hopefully we do that sooner than later I know obviously right now when budget concerns like we're swimming in money but I do know seems like everything seems to get more and more expensive and it would be very frustrating not to have anything big and I know you know people do like the trail system and then of course Chihuahua so it would be nice to have this in our pocket as far as something to come to such a beautiful area as the Broadmoor area so But yeah, hopefully it can actually come out like that, because again, the pictures look great, but it's frustrating when you see pictures and then six years later you see that all that's wiped off the map, like the previous park proposal. But that's all I have to say, thanks. Thank you, Mr. Perales.

Thank you. Appreciate the presentation, Ivan. I've got a couple, three things, three takeaways for you. You know, when I saw on that, one of those slides later in the slide deck, Potential zoning discussions. What is, can you kind of elaborate on that? What is that looking like from your guys'?

So for sure, providing clarity. As it's currently written, it's not written for functionality. And there's... There's mention in the Broadmoor master plan. There's also mention in the overlay district that was adopted by the code where it lacks providing some clarity such as how wide a sidewalk needs to be or it calls for sidewalks and bicycle lanes every 330 feet, but it doesn't say exactly how wide those need to be. Same with street trees, for example. It says you're to have them and commercial and mixed use, mixed residential developments. But it doesn't really specify for medium density and low density residential areas. So we want to provide clarity on things like that. What else? Is there anything else you can think of, Craig?

The only other thing I would add, perhaps, is when you look at the zoning map now, there's quite a bit of RT zoning designated, which is really kind of the placeholder for future actual zoning designation, as opposed to that's ultimately what it's intended to end up as. So while, you know, the land use designations are pretty solid, although they're, you know, any time we have Developers come in there seems to be frequently Emerging opportunities to consider really what we're looking at and that's what we try to continue to do But again the RT zoning designation is not really what it's intended to be long-term or what is developed under and So that's an additional example.

Yeah, what I was concerned about when I saw it was that potential get in a way, you know, this needs to be commercial. Yes, you got the residential stuff that makes use, but at the end of the day, we want an entertainment district. What we don't want is continuing this bedroom community type of feel we have, right? Because we're going to build homes and those people are going to get in their car and drive to Kennewick and Richland to go spend their money rather than just down the street. So that was my biggest concern when I kind of saw that, but definitely I'll be put in pressure if we start getting proposals in for more, you know, apartments and hotels, it's like, eh, you know, we need to be making sure we stay that kind of commercial aspect in that development my other thing is i would like to see perhaps if we're looking at zoning changes or just changes in general just traffic calming measures in that area just being kind of ahead of the curve you know we've talked a lot about speed humps chicanes whatever i think we need to start changing that culture of safety when it comes to the designs of roads and this being a blank canvas i think this is a good opportunity for that And then lastly, same, I was wondering about a park. I know we've talked about a park right there. We need some more community identity. We need to have just a great park, kind of like at the Playground of Dreams. I was in Spokane a couple weeks ago. They have many great parks over there. There's one that I went to just called Discovery Park. Everything's kind of big for the kids and stuff. I thought it was really cool, but we need some identity over there. You know, I will honestly like a pump track. We've talked a little bit about a pump track. I don't know. I think Mayor Pro Tem Milne, were you talking about that shoreline property? Because I thought we were perhaps looking into something over there in regards to a park.

I can clarify that initially they talked about, like, using some of the sand dunes, trying to use the nature that was already there, and then there was going to be a bigger park, and then it got smaller, and then under Zabel it went away, so. I know the council was frustrated that we thought we're gonna have a huge part but again things do change again we never bought the land when we could have and so now we're at this particular point, but it was supposed to be a big part where it would be a City-owned, you wouldn't have the core, so you could actually do what you want. You'd have a lot of cool amenities, just like what you're talking about, but unfortunately it didn't happen.

Yeah, whatever way we can get with Adams and figure that out, I think we need to have a park in that area, just something for the families. I like the idea of pocket parks and things like that. but just something a little bit bigger, a little bit grander. So appreciate the presentation. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you. And, I mean, one other thing to mention is that right now developers just find it easy to pay the impact fee instead of providing a park. So hopefully we can modify in a way to make that work.

Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? I guess I'd just like to add, my comments are actually very similar to Council Member Perales. I might even take some of his sentiments a step farther and say just how important it is to have that as commercial, as he said. One of the big things, I guess, for some of the newer council members that really just stood out to me when this was first presented to me and understood was this 1,200 acres is the size of downtown Seattle. Within just, I think it's 50 or 100 acres, just for the sake of perspective. And if we are ever going to, as Mr. Perales said, have an entertainment district, make this, I would love to see it be the premier shopping destination in the entire Tri-Cities. And so, Mr. Ivan, I appreciate one of the areas under evaluation, the first one, building height standards. In a discussion that I had with someone else recently, they proposed the idea of if we were to start going bigger really you were talking about an identity mr prowess having really just a true downtown area for the tri-cities road 100 is the center of the tri-cities and if we were to actually dare i say skyscrapers or something like that here and present some kind of core i mean that really is our opportunity to do something like that here the metropolitan area the tri-cities is 300 000 people and for comparison That is the size of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Henderson, Nevada. Granted, those are municipalities and not metropolitan areas like this, but in some ways we are one big city here. And so those are the kinds of things that I think we need to consider. Not saying that I'm all for suddenly putting 50-story buildings out there, but I think these are the kind of ideas that really staff is bringing to us to evaluate building height standards and I think it is worth taking a fair look at for identity like Mr. Perales said or just building that entertainment hub or that commercial hub is really really important so I appreciate you guys being mindful of some of these other things like street tree placement standards we had that discussion not too long ago as far as our boulevards and what are we going to maintain what's worth beautifying what's and just trying to find that balance within our our city and everything and yeah Mr. Mayor Pro Tem I really appreciate you bringing up the park and I know we're you know sitting on a few acres that have been not necessarily gifted to us but just part of the whole program and you know I know there's been some ideas bounced out around that but maybe you know that's Just one more area we look at to use some of that acreage for. So anyways, appreciate the update, Mr. Ivan, and thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. We will turn to the chamber at this time. Our council rules allow comment on these specific issues, all the ones we have listed tonight, for two minutes. If anyone would like to really just speak for or against this or just provide any kind of comment they would like the council to hear in regard to the Broadmoor Master Plan only, this would be the appropriate time to approach and speak for two minutes.

Hi, I'm Elaine Hetherington from Pasco. And I was wondering, I don't see a bridge. Is there a plant plan for a bridge? We want easy access in and out of this big metropolitan area that we're going to create. I don't see, I have not heard. Has anybody heard about that? And that would be actually a better access for our plan here also.

Just clarification, I mean, this really isn't, are you talking about a river crossing?

Between Richland and?

The fourth river crossing. Yeah. And I could tell you that is just my time on the Benton Franklin Council of Governments and stuff like that. That's more of kind of a regional decision than a PASCO. And they're saying it's even a federal decision because really going over the river is federal. When I think when I first started looking into this myself, it was, They talked about $500 million to go across the river. That would get scoffed at these days. We look at what's going on in Portland and trying to put a bridge across there. And granted, they're trying to do multimodal with transit and all that kind of stuff. But it's looking in the billions of dollars. And so that would be more of a federal government decision. We can... fight for it we can advocate for it and I know a lot of people would have it I mean that goes along a bigger discussion we're having as far as just making a freight corridor around the Tri-Cities where that that fourth river crossing could potentially be as far north as self-landing to take some of these semi trucks off of our streets like that go through 395 and others and allow them to to bypass the Tri-Cities on one hand we want them to stop and buy gas and a cold coca-cola But on the other hand, for the sake of safety and commerce and transportation, those are some of kind of the bigger ideas that I can tell you not so much as a council, but as a region, we are definitely looking at.

Sure, but we can still look at that and not put it away. It should be a big plan. And then if we're thinking about that, we should probably put some kind of an access in from across the river to plan on a bigger avenue. you know, going through that area. And 397 is not used like it should be, and it should be, actually. Anyway, thank you.

No, you're exactly right. No, thank you for taking the time to make some comments. Anybody else want to speak on the Broadmoor Master Plan and the Broadmoor Master Plan only? Love to hear from the community. It's your city. Going once, going twice, three times. Thank you, Mr. Ivan. We are moving on to Letter B, Council Update, Electric Assisted Bicycle Laws and Existing City Code. And for this, we are going to our Deputy City Manager, Ms. Signel. Good evening, ma'am.

Evening Mayor and Council Members. Tonight I'm bringing you a brief informational update on electric assisted bicycles and there is no action requested of you today as a workshop but also for a regular meeting as a follow-up action unless Council has specific direction for changes in code. This item started with questions about e-bike enforcement after our neighboring jurisdiction took some action on this issue. And staff has reviewed our own code to see whether PASCO needed to do the same. And the short answer is that we already have it covered within our codes. Two things that drove to that conclusion. First, Washington State recently tightened the definition of electric assisted bicycle. So any motorized bike that can exceed 20 miles per hour on motor power alone without pedaling is no longer an e-bike under state law. It is a motor vehicle, which means you need to have a license. registration and all of the other traffic laws that come with that. And second, our municipal code also adopts the relevant state criminal statute by reference, so including failure to supervise a minor which can apply in the right circumstances. So because the enforcement tools already exist in state law and in our current code, the staff is not recommending any amendments tonight And the police department and the prosecutor's office will ensure that there's consistent interpretation and also enforcement with the right resources and will return to counsel if the enforcement experience suggests that we need to make any changes. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. I also have our city attorney and our new police chief to answer any questions that you might have.

Thank you, Ms. Signale. Questions, comments from council? Council Member Farrells.

I appreciate the update. As always, I always have probably a thing or two to ask. My first thing I would like for us perhaps to, I really would like a dedicated chapter in regards to this stuff. I went through our PMC. We definitely have sections on it. But I think it needs to be very clear and defined the different classes of e-bikes, mini bikes, what have you. I mean, honestly, this is kind of all coming all at once because I didn't know that there was actually some legislation in this last legislative session that went into effect on June 11th. So just, I mean, having like a public awareness campaign of some sort you know, from the past police department. I think that would be advantageous, but I really do think we need to have kind of a dedicated municipal code chapter on this stuff. You know, I believe there was an incident today. Someone got hit on, looked like a mini bike or motorcycle bike, something like that today, right off Court Street. And so again, this is happening way too often, but I do appreciate the city's assistance with putting a lot of awareness out recently. The only thing I noted in our code is that, or even a couple of posts that the, the police department did was that when it comes to like the e-bikes, they encourage helmets, but we don't require them. I would like to go a step further. If you're under 18, you're required to wear a helmet. I'm not sure if that's an issue. If the city attorney wants to jump in, I did some research. It didn't seem like that would be an issue and wouldn't be against state law. But I do think if you're a minor, you should be wearing a helmet. I don't think it should be a suggestion that SUGGESTED. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PARENT ACCOUNTABILITY. I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE. ESPECIALLY AFTER THE TRAGEDY WE HAD IN OUR CITY AND I SAW THE CITY WAS LOOKING TO BE PUNITIVE. I DO UNDERSTAND AS PARENTS WE SHOULD BE WATCHING OUR KIDS, BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ILL TIMED, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, PEOPLE SHOULD BE WATCHING THEIR KIDS. I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT AND I HOPE THAT'S IMPLEMENTED IN A VERY respectful manner. Let's see. I think we should talk about prohibiting modified e-bikes. I think there's a lot of individuals who modify their e-bikes so that they can exceed 750 watts, modify controllers, removing speed limiters, and that a lot of these bikes that I'm seeing out on the street, I don't feel like they're meeting the statutory definition of an e-bike. But that's probably an enforcement thing, so I don't know what that kind of looks like policy-wise. And the last thing I wanted to talk about was nighttime safety requirements. I think they should, if they're going to be riding at night, they have to have, you know, like what I was doing my research, a white front light, red rear light, or reflector, or reflective equipment after dark. I don't know if that's something we can implement on our own or if we have to look at to the state, but I think that's something we need to try and implement. Another stuff, it just comes down to escalating enforcement. If we see people out there riding on our trails and riding on our sidewalks. We need to be citing them. Education's one thing, and then I think we need to do a progressive discipline plan. The next thing would be second violation would be a civil citation, and third would be perhaps impounding when authorized by law. Other than that, I think those are my little suggestions, but I do like the fact that it looked like Richland was looking to us in regards to some of the policies and ordinances we had on the books. But I think we just got to do it. We got to go a step farther with this because people are just, we have kids just running stoplights and we don't need any more individuals getting killed. So I think we need to kind of go out there and see if we can do some of the stuff that is legal. But I think we need to take a stand on this. So thank you.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem Mill. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, probably for the Chief of Police. So how do you enforce, like, say, for instance, the times I go into Chihuahua, more often than not, I see whether it's families or kids on those electric bikes who run pretty fast. I mean, how would you enforce that you would have to have cops on electric bikes? Because obviously a guy pedaling a bike would be maybe difficult to catch up with these guys. So, I mean, how is this, and I know we're talking budget issues, all that kind of stuff. I mean, How would realistically we handle this, or what are other cities doing, or what are your ideas on actually getting to the route where somebody's walking their dog, they're not having a guy go flying by at 20-some-odd miles an hour on his electric bike?

Yeah, the police department is... obviously in speed of these vehicles is a safety issue and So use of them on parks like down by the river are not allowed They should just be pedal bikes on that system So the enforcement piece of it would take people to be down there which is staff would be required to be down there. We have had some discussions with parks about training their staff to identify problem people that aren't following the rules or have been asked to follow those rules and then to ask for our assistance to call dispatch and have them dispatched down there. So I think enforcement is key to getting compliance. I know that they were also looking at the signage to ensure that the rules are clear for the people that are using that system down there. But enforcement is going to take manpower to do that. And that is finite.

commodity um and we have a lot going on in the city so um but obviously priorities when our city staff are in those locations and identify problems those need to be addressed okay well i just appreciate the honest answer it's always difficult i see it go on a lot and i don't want to be like the person that stops them and reprimands them but uh again it kind of puts me in a weird position because i know the rules so they're not supposed to be doing it but They just seem to be constantly doing it, and so then it gets to where you don't want to walk your dog anymore because, again, the dog doesn't, and they're so quiet, sometimes you don't even hear them coming up on you. But, okay, well, at least we know that you guys are working on, and hopefully we'll come up with a better plan as time goes on. Thanks.

Thank you. Anyone else on e-bikes, motorized? Council Member Campos.

Yeah, thank you for the presentation. With that change in state law, what is the next steps to inform our community of that so they're more informed about it, get educated? But, you know, along with enforcement, obviously, we'll follow that. But what is the plan to make sure that our city understands this new change?

So we will continue the education piece of it. Flyers that we put out on Facebook are pretty descriptive of what the classes are of those bikes. I think to Mr. Perales' point, it is a little bit confusing at times, because you're talking speed limits and power and those kind of things. And so I think over time it's just gonna take more and more contact with them. We've also reached out to the school district last year and this year. and they are trying to educate students about those issues. And there are some other things that I feel like the school district's gonna be able to do this year that will help maybe their use to get to school and how they're gonna store those type of vehicles in a safe manner at those locations.

Thank you. Not seeing anyone else having anything to speak up here at the dais. I have similar sentiment that's been shared. I think this is a multi-pronged approach. I think enforcement is huge with finite resources. It is pretty out of control down there at Chiawana Park and Wade Park. It's become a public nuisance. I think it's also a safety hazard around town. enforcement's definitely a piece education is a piece I know we've got out on our social media channels and other ways trying to get the word out of what's legal and what's not legal but I think the signage is especially important down there in the Wade Park Tijuana Park because even near our house all there is is one sign that says no motorized vehicles and that sign was put up 20-25 years ago and so THE DEFINITIONS OF THAT. AND I KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S BUDGET SEASON, BUT THIS IS WE CAN EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER opportunities like that but I think there is a piece at the site itself that that story we need to tell whether it be speed limit signs down there that that comes up a fair amount I don't know of any speed limit signs all down that corridor or just when people enter that location what's legal and what's not so we would love to definitely see some of that come together as we are able to as a city with that would anybody in the chamber like to speak on this issue electric assisted bicycle laws See a lot of the discussion out there on social media and other places. Good evening. Oh, you're light, ma'am.

Good evening. I have a question. If we're dealing with underage children, is there some kind of... Warning we could give them like a three-strike warning and then I don't know if you want to be confiscating things, but these kids are not paying attention. They know better. Kids are not dumb. I mean the little eight-year-olds at the mobile home park know there's water pressure issues. They're not dumb. So how do we enforce that? And you can't just not do anything and I do enjoy going to the meetings that when I get involved with the police, they're saying you need to report, you need to report. And they don't know that there's a big problem unless we don't report. So we need to report, but we need to scold, and we need to have consequences. Because my parents, the consequences were there. But if there is none, then there's not going to be any change that happens. So that's, I guess, my question. Is there some kind of warning and then resolution or consequences that is actually going to happen? Because you need to make it... You need to make... what's the word, example out of somebody. Unfortunately, something has to happen before things are going to change. So that's my question.

No, appreciate those comments. And I think, Ms. Wade, I think that's exactly what Council Member Perales was talking about when he used the phrase progressive steps of discipline, perhaps starting with education, then some kind of citing, and then ultimately, I think as a last resort or whatever, some type of confiscation was, I think, what he was referring to. Anybody else in the go ahead, Mr. Perales.

Yeah, I was, I was, I'm just going to note, you know, I think if we don't really do anything and we just, um, sit here and say, well, we have something on the books and there's really no targeted enforcement. I mean, people are already criticizing this council since the tragedy that happened. Like, what are you guys going to do? You guys going to step in and there's these kids ripping down the street. So unless we see, education and then we see them actually reacting to that, then this is just gonna be a failure and that we just had a presentation on it and we just moved on. So I don't know, I mean, I guess the direction that I think we should give the city manager and the police department is start talking to these kids, stop them. Even if you see them riding down the street, just stop and talk to them, educate them. Hey, don't be running through this stop sign. And especially if they're getting called in, educate them, give them an infraction. I don't know, maybe we should just go ahead and cite the parents. You know, if there's something we have to do with that, then we just start signing the parents. So there's just something needs to happen because then if we don't really do anything and then another kid gets killed, then we're really going to feel the heat on this. So I'll just end with that. I'll send over some of my recommendations and maybe at a future workshop we can kind of talk about them. But I think to me the biggest thing is a helmet. I don't know if the individual would have survived with a helmet, but from what I understand, he wasn't wearing a helmet. There's certain things like that that can save your life and so to me if I had a my biggest takeaway would be would be that we need to implement kids under 18 who are riding these these types of Scooters and e-bikes wear helmet.

Thank you. Thank you Still taking comments from the chamber still have room for three more comments on this issue if anyone would like to talk on electric assisted bicycles and the existing code Going once Going twice, three times. Sorry, and I was going to let us... Yeah, before we moved on, I was going to say if anybody wanted to add on to this for staff.

Yeah, just to add on, I think that... If the issue is that big of a safety issue, I think that it also, instead of criticizing city staff and everything else, apologies and stuff like that, it definitely falls on us as representatives and elected officials right in our districts of informing our own communities as well. I was walking to the airport this weekend and you always hear, If you see something, say something, right? But I think that we should definitely take a further step. And if we see something within our neighborhoods and our communities, I mean, some of the folks that see us every day, we know the kids that are driving through. We should, you know, it should definitely fall on us as well of doing something, stopping them. And the education starts with us as well, you know, giving them those educational perspectives. I mean, some of us are teachers and we work in the school district as well. We always have some conversations. I mean, I see some of those kids and it's ultimately the public safety, right? It's for their safety as well because a lot of them either might speed through the stop sign and somebody might not see them. So different things like that. And I definitely do agree with the helmet stuff. We should definitely make that. not an option um i think that um that would be an important step through but it definitely takes a collaborative approach to to ensure that we don't just put it on city hey you organize the ordinance and and that's your job and that's it i think that all of us have that responsibility uh because we love the city right and i think that we all should be good neighbors and we know our neighborhoods and so um those are just my my two cents that i wanted to add on thank you

Anybody have anything else? Is this the direction we'd like to go? I mean, there's two, four helmets. Is that something we would love to see staff look at? Mr. Cotto?

Absolutely. I don't mean to be silent on the issue necessarily. It's just that there's so much agreement with what needs to be done here. I'd love to see a lot more education on the subject to our kids. Helmets, I support just about everything that's been said here.

Perfect. Thank you. Mr. Milne?

Thank you. I was not for helmets until I got hit on my bike. I was doing 25 and she hit me doing 30 and two brain bleeds, an arm with titanium in it now and five ribs. So it was crazy that I was still in first gear and that much damage only doing 25 miles an hour on the road. So I'm all for helmets now. Can't live without them. Perfect.

All right. Mr. Hernandez. Yes, sir. So These are all, like Ms. Waite said, kids. So you stop again and tell them, don't do this, don't do that. I mean, is that really gonna work? Shouldn't the parents be involved? Or somehow notify them? Or, because they'll go home and say, hey, the police stopped me and questioned me. You know, they're underage. Or that guy down the street stopped me and said, turn your light on, get on with a helmet. I mean, that can be a problem, I think.

I think that is our education piece that we're always looking at as a city to get the word out. And it's hard. We look at whether just the sexual predators we're trying to keep out of our community. And it's hard not to think of a more pressing issue than that. And yet we still have a hard time getting the word out. You would think that everybody would be knocking on each other's doors telling them, hey, the state's trying to send sexual predators here. Let's everybody grab their pitchforks and torches, but we have empty meetings for that. So it is, we should do everything we can to try to communicate, but I think we can only get the word so far, too.

Yeah, it should be to the parents as well, not just the kids.

Yeah. All right. Well, with that, let us move on then. This is Letter C, Resolution Washington State Department of Transportation Detour Agreement. And for this, we're going to Director Serra. Good evening, ma'am.

Good evening, mayor and council members. For this item, I will ask Mr. Avetisiano, our engineering manager, to cover the item. Thank you.

Good evening, council. Today I'm going to talk about the D.O.T., proposed D.O.T. agreement for the U.S. 395 and Karchner Street Roundabout project that they are doing and utilizing a few more city streets for the temporary detour. So yes, DOT is administering the intersection improvement project. As I mentioned, it is a roundabout that includes other improvements like sidewalks in the area, the intersection improvement project generally. That does require temporary traffic control and the detour of traffic to get that construction done. Utilization of the city streets that are mentioned and will be shown in the next slide for which ones that we're talking about for visual is proposed as part of the agreement. And the construction timeframe is expected to be this year in 2026. They just got the bids last week on July 8th, I believe, and they received the recommendation to award that project. So, yeah, moving forward to the next slide. The visual, that is the location of the project, the northbound ramp terminal at the Karchner. The project, so the agreement includes, to highlight a few things, the agreement includes, so they have, I guess, step backs. They have the construction proposed and their plans as staged construction. So the first phase or stage of the traffic control plans that they have in their plan is going to be the most impactful, which requires this detour. I believe that includes the construction of the central island and the splitter islands at the south and the east leg of the intersection. which will allow limited movements, as you see on this detour map, to have traffic basically go around, kind of around the block, basically, if somebody's trying to travel eastbound. And then from the south, there will be local traffic only for some of the businesses. That will be still open for the businesses that are on the west side of Commercial Avenue. So as part of the agreement also, we met with WSDOT, we walked the site and kind of took inventory of the current conditions of the roadway and the striping conditions there. So part of the agreement is basically after construction's done, if the additional volume of traffic does impact, whatever they're gonna have their contractor basically address anything that will was to be, the conditions are gonna be back to where they were before the project started. That's part of the agreement. Although this is scheduled to be, the detour is only scheduled to be for about three weeks based on their estimation of the work. So not as likely to have significant impacts. Highlighting that, I think one thing that staff does recommend, we reviewed and recommend

approval of the detour agreement and with that i will any questions i can thank you mr andre questions comments for andre detour karchner i think you're off the hook that's an easy one tonight sir thank you thank you Would anybody in the chamber like to speak on this issue? Detouring some vehicles off the highway onto our city streets for a few weeks so the state of Washington can improve that intersection. Going once, going twice, three times. Moving on to letter D, resolution Washington State University and the city of Pasco for the use of body worn camera footage for research purposes. And for this, we're going to Chief Cook. Good evening, sir.

Good evening, Mayor, Council. This resolution is between Washington State University and the city of Pasco. It allows us to share data between our police department and the researchers at Washington State University. This is an important agreement to allow us to learn more about ourselves and the things that we're doing. Since 2022, we have had four projects. One of them involved a procedural justice study. The other one was language barriers on traffic stops and a preparedness for new officers and how prepared they were coming out of our training cars. And the last one involved a stress study about officers involved in their day-to-day calls. They actually wore body monitors for entire shifts, and then they took our CAD data and overlaid it with the data that they were getting physically from those policemen. And so as we move into the future, this is gonna be important for us to have educational institutions looking at the things that we're doing and ensure that we are learning from those and doing a better job. With that, there's no financial impact. It's just an agreement to share camera and CAD data and other things that might be important for their research. And on a side note, the language barrier traffic study, I think you'll see that in August. I think the doctor will be here to present that findings to you. With that, do you have any questions?

Thank you, Mr. Cook. Any questions, comments for Chief Cook?

I'll be quick. The only thing that I was kind of worried about was that if, you know, if they misused kind of the footage to paint the city in a bad light, would you guys be able to review the footage that they pull?

Yeah, we know what they are pulling. It's all tracked and auditable. We haven't experienced any of that with the students. In fact, the students that have been coding our video for the things that they've been looking at have described that their opinion about police has changed. And so I think that they're actually being very respectful about their use of it and the things that they are getting out of our stuff. Any we would know if we had a video that was being misused we'd be able to track that to its source Okay, thank you.

Yeah, thank you Any other questions?

No questions, which is that another this isn't the first time that you know Pascal PD has worked with higher education institutions and another one of those trainings that you know you all share some of the information of a the applications that you all take and definitely implement some of those things. And so I just want to kind of commend that. It takes a lot to say, hey, you know, here's some of our evidence here, kind of critique us and give us some feedback so that we can become better. But I think that's in the testament of kind of, you know, how great Paschal PD is doing and how they're implementing these things and always kind of advancing research and trying to be the best they can be. It just really talks highly of that. So thank you for that.

all right thank you guess you're off the hook mr. cook poet I didn't know it let's move to the chamber anybody in the council chamber like to speak on this issue for the University Washington State University using our city of Pasco body worn camera footage for research purposes going once twice yes miss Wade step right on up of course

Good evening again. So I think, I mean, I love the police. I enjoy the police. There's so many good police, but you also need to realize that think about your worst, most vulnerable moment. We don't have our community calling the police as it is. I was in court where I'm sitting in front of a judge and they're, I'm all of a sudden seeing cameras of video footage of myself in the courtroom, and it's video of me that people have accessed of me. After that moment, I had a mental health crisis. The police were at my door, knocking. They said, come out, because for their safety, they need to know that I do not have weapons in the home. However, outside was not only my security footage, but the security footage of a man I currently have a protection order against. I know that he has already gained access to me through police body cam. So I refused to come out. The police were very upset with me. They were very angry. I said, I'm not coming out because I know where that footage is coming from. Why, just like anybody else, why can we not have them file a public record? I do know I have a certain amount of minutes, so you can cut me off.

No, you're good. I just looked over to see how long we were, and we never got it going tonight.

Yeah, I've been up here all night. I don't have that time. So, no, but what I'm trying to get across is that people don't call the police as it is. And so when my most, you can probably find my home covered in blood. There is a video of my home soaked with blood. I don't want that video out there. But why can we not, why do we need to hand over terabytes of video for communication? they can why cannot they do a public record search or however we access it like everybody else I'm not understanding how this is going to benefit us especially when we're not calling the police anyway so you're really putting a fine line there where I don't even want to call the police now because I'm relocated and I don't want my address getting out so You need to think about all of these other things that go along with the situation. Please. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Wade. Those are good thoughts to add to the conversation. Appreciate that. I was just informed by our Madam Clerk that Ms. Wade, it's your lucky day. Apparently the timer's broken. You can just keep going on and on. Anyways, we will keep time up here manually. Thank you so much. Anybody else want to speak on this issue? Going once, twice. Three times not seeing anybody come forward. We'll move on to Letter E, Ordinance R-15 and RS-12 Frontage Improvement Code Amendments. I don't see that Ms. Mattson ever walked in the door, so Mr. Raymond, back to you, sir.

She did not. Thank you, Mayor and Council Members. You stuck with me this evening. The presentation tonight, though, is going to largely look very similar to what you saw back in April when Haley was first talking to you about this, but we're going to narrow down the focus just a little bit. based on council direction so far. And in addition to that, you're going to have in your packet draft ordinance change language for you to review and discuss this evening. One notable item that is on, one thing that's notable is the old zoning district that was referred to as RS-20 is now referred to as R-15, and that was approved through Ordinance 4828, and that was adopted back in April 2018. I think it was mentioned back then that what you're discussing here this evening would be applicable in that area, but if it was not very clear, let's make it so this evening. To briefly recap, the city once had a very similar regulatory threshold that you're considering this evening, but that was rescinded back in 2019 through Ordinance 4454A. And here's an updated map with the lovely mustard colored areas. Those are the new R15 zoned areas, and the lime green are the RS12 zoned properties. I think the two primary motivations to consider the exemption is based on lower initial residential development costs, and there may be some cases where traffic volumes may not be appropriate or proportionate to the immediate need. under that development proposal. Additionally, some may prefer a more open, informal streetscape and desire to see the neighborhood character remain as it is largely today. That being said, when improvements are deemed to be necessary in the future, the cost will certainly be higher, resulting in only a temporary reprieve from the infrastructure costs. The city's comprehensive plan calls for a full interconnected street, trail, and accessway network. Multimodal transportation is definitely another area of emphasis that will require greater focus in the coming years The city has been working with the county in order to require infrastructure build-outs within the UGA area that match what has been stated policy through the comp plan and Um, what happens is when the city inherits an area that has being annexed has already experienced some development in the past under the county jurisdiction. If it doesn't match what our comp plan calls for, what our policies call for, it becomes very difficult and cost prohibitive to update the existing infrastructure to correct the deficiencies. 2018 the City Council also adopted ordinance 43 89 which established a complete streets policy which is committed to the safe and usable network of connected streets sidewalks and multimodal transportation systems exempting improvements in these areas directly conflict with the street complete streets policy And in as much as we desire to preserve existing neighborhood character, House Bill 1110 allows for four to six units per lot on existing lots, thereby considerably increasing the density above what we currently see. In some cases, the current right-of-way width may not be sufficient to serve the new growth. Under RCW 3670A, The city is required to demonstrate that we're planning for and indeed intending to accommodate the new growth. Even in the absence of infrastructure improvement requirements at initial development, at a minimum, the right-of-way dedication should be the baseline requirement. Obtaining right-of-way in the future subsequent to development becomes extremely difficult and cost prohibitive. in most cases there are both pros and cons to any proposal naturally on the plus side the exemptions were will lower development costs for builders in these zones thereby reducing the immediate burden on individual property owners on the concerning side the exemptions would undermine the UGA city standard arguments would conflict with our complete streets policy and potentially create pedestrian and traffic safety risks Additionally, due to the number and size of existing lots in these two zoning districts, with our current traffic impact analysis policy, new plats and development will likely never trigger a TIA because they will not generate the number of trips necessary in order to require a TIA. thereby potentially creating gaps in traffic and pedestrian safety systems. Appreciate your attention to this and here for any questions that you might have. Thank you, Mr. Raymond. Questions, comments?

Mr. Perales? Yeah, the only question I really had was how did staff come down with the 10-year LID window?

I believe that might be a statutory maximum.

Okay, so we could go lower.

Sure.

Okay. I was thinking more of like five years. That would be my own suggestion. I think everything else you kind of illuminated, and I felt the same way about I don't think any of these are going to generate especially the amount of trips with our new traffic impact analysis policies and the trip generation letter policy. So I didn't have any concerns there. The only thing was that 10-year LID. I think other than that, I think a lot of these developers are going to dedicate the roadway to the city, so I didn't have a problem with that. So my only suggestion would be reducing the 10-year LID acknowledgement to five years. So thank you. I appreciate your guys' work on this.

Mayor, if I might add to that, LIDs are highly regulated within the state RCWs. So we're not quite sure if we can lower it or change it in any manner, but we can come back to council or just inform you via email as well.

That sounds great.

Thank you.

Thank you, and I guess the one thing I want to add, which would be a concern, is the potential loss of right of way for opportunity for future utility needs. I think that would be important to work into this to where, and I guess I don't know exactly how that gets written, but to where we would not lose that right of way for future utility needs if those were to go in and on there. And I mean, I appreciate this has been a priority of council for the last several councils, preserving the semi-rural neighborhood character and i'm sure even in our prior discussion as far as broadmoor master plan i'm sure there's some people that got nervous me talking about 50-story skyscrapers i want to keep the mayberry feel in pasco as much as possible it's the reason i live here i raised my family here and but at the same time there are some areas of the city we do need to be mindful of growth just for the future of the city and that's what our constituents want anyways they want places to shop they want places to dine and yet they we want the the Mayberry rural character feel so I guess we're trying to do it all up here so that is definitely where we're at so anyways questions comments from the chamber anybody like to speak on this issue for or against Questions, comments, anything? Yes, please. There's just a button up there at the base of the microphone. Just your name and residence, city or county for the record, please.

My name is Christy Bariola. I live in Kennewick, but I work here in Pasco. So I just wanted to speak in favor of the change to the code that would go back to allowing some exemptions on frontage improvements in these lower density areas. The costs do really start to creep up really quickly when you're doing development and you have to Do curb gutter sidewalks streetlights when you're putting that all in It gets expensive when you don't have the density that can absorb those additional costs one thing that the city might consider is still requiring it on like collector roads or arterial roads so that it wouldn't maybe be a blanket exemption but that you would still preserve that along those those major roads and I think that the right-of-way issue shouldn't be an issue because the right-of-way is the same whether you have to do all the full frontage improvements or you just do the the roadway with swales, which is what used to be allowed in these areas. I think that kind of covers the areas I wanted to bring up, but thank you for your consideration on that.

Thank you, appreciate that. Yeah, and I think that's kind of the purpose of some of this too, is to continue to allow infrastructure improvements that benefit the city, but to spare areas where we end up with these sidewalks and other things to know where they've been put that don't seem to be able to connect anywhere. With that, anybody else want to speak on this issue? Once, going twice, not seeing anybody coming forward. Let's move on to, I guess, is there anything staff was looking for from us or was this more informational? I mean, it's for an ordinance. Is there any fine tuning or anything staff was hoping to hear from us?

We are scheduled for a public hearing on the 20th. If there's any specific changes you want to see in the draft ordinance, tonight would be a good time to talk about that. Okay.

No, thank you, Mr. Raymond. Anybody have anything? Please, Mr. Prowse.

The only thing I was calling for was the five-year. Okay. If that can't be done, then I like the way that it's laid out here.

Perfect. Just want to make sure. Great. Thank you. Let's move on. Number six, miscellaneous council discussion. Mr. Stewart.

First and foremost, it's already been alluded to a couple times tonight, but I did want to publicly announce the appointment of Chief Cook as the police chief for the Pasco Police Department. It was a very thorough process, and I'm glad that we're able to have the leadership of Chief Cook here and to verify that that we're doing the right thing and how we develop our officers and helping them move up and be better leaders and not only do I look forward to him as the police chief but I also look forward to him to be an integral part of the leadership team here for the city of Pasco going forward so he has my full faith and confidence and doing a good job and I know that he'll be trusted by the police department and the public going forward. So, and on that note, the only other thing I have is, um, this Thursday from 2 PM to 4 PM is coffee with a cop. And that will be held at rooster crow coffee over on Marie street. And maybe our new chief will be there, uh, to be interacted with, with the public as well. And we'll also work on the swearing in of chief cook here in the near future. We just want to make sure that his family and friends are all able to attend.

Perfect, thank you. Anybody else? Mr. Perales. I'll be brief.

I had like seven things, but I'll just go with the two, the two major ones that I have. This first one I brought up a couple weeks ago, maybe in a month or two ago. It's in regards to ramps, and I've been talking with a couple individuals in my district who are receiving letters for potential fines. I do think that this time, after getting some information from Public Works, I think we need to create a formal hardship or accessibility accommodation process. This would provide a consistent, transparent way for residents to apply for an exception when they can demonstrate a legitimate hardship while still allowing public works to evaluate each request on its own merits. And so just to give you some background, there's a couple senior citizens that have a hard time getting into their driveway. And I want to ask for one of them to show up to the meeting, the next one, but she really She doesn't like driving. She only drives when she has to. And so I kind of feel for her. My grandma had a lot of back problems and stuff and actually wasn't able to drive in the later part of her life. So I just think we need to be able to find a way to say yes in some of these circumstances. I totally understand. I deal with building roads every single day of my career and buildings and things like that. So I understand the design and intent, but I think there is some hardships that we need to consider from time to time. That would be my ask if the council would be willing to kind of look into that for these constituents.

Thoughts? Mr. Milne?

I find it.

Questions? More? Campos? So, and I guess these are, just to flesh that out a little bit more, and I think you're pretty clear, Mr. Prowles, basically non-precedent setting exceptions is, I think, kind of the language you are using there, that make accommodations one time that can be evaluated by staff, case-by-case basis, you said, for some of these accommodations. most extreme ambulatory opportunities that some of our citizens face.

Correct. Yeah, I'm not looking to make a blanket new code and road design change just in these circumstances where, you know, they didn't, I mean, I know they bought the home, but, you know, they're trying to make it so they can get in and out of the driveway with these kind of ramps that are screwed into the rolled curb, which we don't do anymore. So it's probably just adjacent, it's probably just in my district a little bit. I don't see roll curb anywhere else. Maybe I'm a little down the east side, but I mean, there's a couple of divisions in my district. I mean, yeah, just on a case-by-case basis. That's my ask. Questions, comments from staff regarding that?

Anything follow-up? Need to, or is there a timeline we're looking at? I know they're always balancing full plate. Mr. Stewart?

We can explore those options if that's the will of council. I will advise, though, that I guess it would depend on how long does the exemption stand for because the property may not be owned by the same person in perpetuity. So while the individual in there now gets that exemption, that means that that gets passed on to the next property owner that may not have that same need or concern. And so I question the equity of that over time with regards to that.

That's why we have code enforcement. They're not having any issues going there and leaving fines letters. We can probably put some verbiage into there. Maybe it needs to be reevaluated every couple years. They gotta come down and provide legitimate reasons and stuff. Like I said, it's just a thought. We don't have to go through with it. It's just, again, I feel for some of these senior citizens who are, you know, even that little jolt can throw their back out, throw their neck out. I just feel for this little old lady.

I understand. That's good. We should have a heart for people.

Mr. Conant, to this discussion? Yeah, I support the sentiment. I'm a little bit divided only in the sense that I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about it, but I would like to hear if there is any... you know counter argument to why we shouldn't do these things you know harold brings up a point but it sounds like we could work it in there to where we can manage this one way or another the point is to be able to help people when there's a situation and and and be able to you know allow a transition so that they are safer and it is better for them uh if we could do that that would you know i would certainly support it but i think it's you know i just want to know more about the issue yeah and that sounds fair and i think some of those issues you know keeping it from being grandfathered and permanently on the property and those kind of things

are definitely, yeah, things to consider. Something else, sir? Okay.

Last thing, you know, dad centers have been talked a lot about lately and I watched the city council meeting in Richland this past week and they had a lot of individuals in there and so I went out and put a poll slash question out this past weekend. My Facebook question got like 500 comments. It reached about 50 to 60,000 people. I put it also on Nextdoor and so I got a lot of feedback and I told people, if you're from Pasco, let me know your thoughts. And honestly, it was overwhelming no. They would not like to see data centers here in the city of Pasco. So my ask would be for us to direct staff to come back with an ordinance slash presentation. My intent would be to put a moratorium in place, but with the caveat of seeking information, having staff look into creating and drafting and working with someone to draft an environmental impact statement and just look into kind of what a code would look like if we were to allow data centers within the Pasco City limits. Someone was trying to say that there's probably one going in over at the Ryman Industrial Center. I haven't heard that, but I think we need to look into that and make sure we're doing our due diligence because last week over in City of Richland, City Council was standing room only. People were coming there and talking about this, and I think we need to be a little more proactive on it. rather than all of a sudden in a month or two or a year, someone comes in with a permit for a data center and then this room's gonna be full. So I think we need to get out in front of it and study it. I'm not saying no to it. I personally worked on data centers a lot over in Oregon. So I've worked on all sorts of them. They do bring their benefits. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's all cons. There's been a lot of good economic development in Umatilla and Boardman. Those are the data centers that I've worked on and also in Hermiston. So I think we need to get all the information that we can so that if not this city council, a future city council can make a sound decision based off that information. So that would be my ask for us to bring back a presentation and then also perhaps put a moratorium in place until we study this.

Thank you, Mr. Cotton. This conversation also?

Yeah, there is a Tri-City Regional Chamber of Commerce meeting hosting an advocacy roundtable that's going to contain the subject of data centers, regional economic impact, and so just inviting people to learn more and be there. But that's Monday, July 20th, 10.30 to 12 p.m. I'll be there.

Thank you. Appreciate others who are going to be there since I'm going to be cooking for kids that day. So thank you. Anybody else? Thoughts on data centers?

Mr. Figueroa. I concur with the sentiments of Mr. Perales in that. There's a lot of conversations, and I was definitely, during the weekend, I was part of a Professional development, specifically talking about data centers and the impacts around different neighborhoods. And I think it'd be a good thing to perhaps have some sort of workshop, a study session. I would definitely agree with perhaps getting that moratorium in place so that we can begin to see how the impacts would be for our community. I know that the conversations from communities that have had them, it definitely impacts their school district. WHEN THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER AND IT IMPACTS THEM IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY. JUST SOME STATS THAT I HAVE HERE FROM SOME OF THE REVIEWS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THEY HAVE DONE. IT'S REPORTED THAT BY 2028 DATA CENTERS ARE EXPECTED TO CONSUME 12% OF U.S. ELECTRICITY. THAT'S TRIPLE TODAY'S SHARE AND THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED TO POWER AROUND 26 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ELECTRICAL COMPONENT TO IT. ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENT AND THE AIR POLLUTION, THE SOUND POLLUTION. I KNOW THERE WERE SCHOOLS THAT WERE KIND OF RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER AND STUDENTS JUST COULDN'T CONCENTRATE BECAUSE OF THE SOUND THAT WAS BEING EMITTED BY some of these data centers. So again, I'm not saying that they're all bad. Again, we have to contend with the tension. I'm sure that there's folks, you know, we will listen to some of the benefits. But also providing guardrails before it comes to, definitely compared to the LRA issue, being proactive. If we can't provide those positive guardrails there, in case there is one, where it would be at, you know, kind of the size, because these can be extremely large. I know we also have capacity with water rights and everything else that comes into this. Um, so I, I would definitely kind of support that idea.

Thank you. Mr. Mellon. I would also support the idea. I know, I think the only thing you left out is I heard that, uh, it does raise the temperature. I think it's five degrees, uh, when they have those data centers. So obviously it's already hot enough in the Tri-City, especially Pasco. So, uh, but anyway, I'd also be for that. I don't know if, I mean, I've never heard of anyone even coming in, but, uh, I don't, not there at staff all the time either, but definitely don't want it in our neck of the woods at this particular moment.

Thank you. Yes. And I, um, boy, I'm really kind of torn on the issue too. Here I'm looking down at my iPhone and of course I use an old 11 cause I'm frugal that way and everything. But every time they update a phone, there's more pixels and there's more data and we really live in data driven lives. And so, um, at what point is this not important or where do these data centers go? And so I guess I would want more information just as far as are they necessary to have here? If they can't go here, can they just go somewhere else? Are we just shoving them all somewhere down the, I guess, Umatilla and Pendleton and boardmen and so I would be interested in more information because I do have some of those same concerns about the use of power too. I look at especially being on the cog all of what is being pushed on us by the state government as far as their push for electrical cars and those kind of things and the grid cannot support them already. They want to tear out the dams and yet if we put this that is just more pressure on a grid system that is already unreliable and could likely fail us someday. So I do have some of those concerns that Columbia River that we take advantage or that we take for granted out there is a finite resource and so I know lots of them use recycled water and everything but at the same point that there's got to be a balance somewhere because we all I don't think we're all going back to flip phones anytime soon and we are all we live in a data-driven society we we crave information and so That's kind of the way of our world these days. So yes, I suppose, I know we are heading into that budget, but I think that is something, whether it be a moratorium or more information, I think that would be the desire of council to learn more about this and what we can do.

I mean, my sentiment was kind of similar to what we do with LRAs. Like we put a moratorium in place and then we kind of study it and got together. So that, again, that's where my mindset was at. I think it would behoove us to do it because just the sentiment I got from online, and again, I don't know if everyone wants from PASCO, but I also put it like in a PASCO chat and it just kind of blew up as well and they said the same thing. So again, there's pros and cons to it, but I think we should at least...

Moratorium and then figure it out. Moratorium and then figure it out. Mr. Cotton? I would support that. Okay. I'm good. Yes please, thank you. Anybody have anything else? I would like to say one thing real quick. I want to, for really no particular reason other than just even this police chief, I just want to give a shout out to our city manager at this point. He often makes contributions that add to the conversations that we haven't considered and I think we even saw some of that tonight. He's very thoughtful in what he does. Great hiring decisions that he makes over there too, including just the exhaustive process for the police chief. And so I know even during the recent animal shelter discussion, he was kind of in the hot seat, but I think he was carrying out the will of council and really doing what had to be done, even though those are really tough decisions. So anyways, I just wanted to say thank you, Mr. Stewart. I know you're about nine, 10 months in now, and we're not quite to a year, but really appreciate everything you contribute to the well-being of Pasco and just to helping us lead and to serve in a better way. So thank you. With that, let us go on. We have an executive session, but I don't see a time limit just like theirs. Are we in for a surprise too, Mr. Stewart?

I think we can start with 15 minutes.

For both of them?

15 minutes, and you'll have to come out and adjourn, and then you'll have to open the next one. They're two separate items, if I understand that correctly, with a closed session.

Discussion legal... Oh, I see. I'm sorry. Thank you, Mr. Perales. I guess I didn't realize there's an executive session adjourned, and then we're going to have a closed session. So thank you, everybody, for the clarification. Just 15 minutes for the executive session then? Correct. Perfect. Thank you so much. We're going to go into executive session. This is number seven. To consider site selection and or acquisition of real estate purchase or lease, if likelihood, that disclosure would increase price per RCW 42.30.110. paragraph 1 section B and discussion with legal counsel about current or potential litigation per RCW 42.30.110 paragraph 1 section I and that will be 15 minutes it is almost 826 so we will call it 841 we will be back All right, the time is now 8.41. We have concluded our executive session. No decisions were made. And number eight is adjournment. This meeting is adjourned.