Hillside Building Committee - Regular Meeting

OK, good morning, good morning, everyone. Let me just get this started here, pull up to my agenda. I'm going to call the Hillside Building Committee meeting to order for Wednesday, July 15, 2026. It is 8 AM, more or less. And as I like to start with introductions, my name is Scott Jarson. I'm a citizen member of the committee and the current chair. We'll just go around the room and online.

PAMELA GEORGE- Good morning. I'm Pamela George-Ellison, chair of the Planning Commission.

Good morning, Jennifer Bryant-Nagel, member of the Planning Commission. Welcome.

Bob Brown, member of Planning Commission.

And online, we've got us joined by?

Good morning, Blair Portigal, citizen member.

Thank you, Blair.

Su Ming Lau, citizen member, Hillside Committee.

Good morning. Yeah, good morning. Good to see your face and everything. So let's go around the room and introduce staff. Oralee is a special guest today.

Hi, Oralee, management analyst.

Duncan Miller, town clerk.

I'm Jose Mendez. I'm the hillside planner.

I'm Juan Gonzalez, hillside engineer, as well as joining us in the back of the room, Chad Weaver, our community development director.

Thank you, everybody, for being here today and for your service and help. Now that we're called to order, we'd like to remind everyone that from time to time, the committee may convene into an executive session on any of the items on the agenda today to speak with town council regarding those. If we do go to an executive session, we'll clear the room. We'll make a motion, clear the room, and then let everybody rejoin. Also, just to let everybody know, if there's anybody from the community to speak on these after the committee has a chance to review it, we'll open up for public comment on any of the agenda items. Today, we're going to go right into a very light and streamlined agenda. We'll start with item A, 26-187. This is a discussion and possible action on a formal review for the new single-family residence at 5611 East Roadrunner Lane. And let's take a look.

Good morning, everybody. So as you mentioned, this project is for a new single family residence located at 5611 East Roadrunner Lane. The property is approximately five acres, 221,685 square feet. Bear with me. This is the property parcel as you can see it here on the map. It is located north of Mummi Mountain. The parcel, as you can see, has existing disturbance on it. It was previously developed on. And so the request is to construct a 28,792 square foot home. There's only 18,827 square foot of livable. The residents This is the site plan for the residence. And so you can see how it does follow the same contour for the driveway as was previously existing. And it sits within that pad that was previously disturbed. In terms of disturbance, The allowable disturbance for the site slope of 18.6% is 48,793. So 22% is what is allowable. Obviously, there was an existing disturbance on site. The existing disturbance was 39.09. With this proposed project, the disturbance will be 36.24. So it'll still be below the existing disturbance on site. So this is the layout of the home, as I mentioned. And then as you can see here, it does sit within the same layout of where the driveway was. And then also, they're utilizing the existing pad on the property. The house has two garages. There is one that is approaching towards the bottom here, and then there's one that is towards the back right in the rear back here. There is also a guest house. There was some back and forth with the applicant about it being attached. From this elevation, You can see where this guest house is. The approach for the driveway would be right in this area here, and then the rest of the house is on the left. There is a specific interpretation for attached structures, and so the applicant did provide additional exhibits showing how that structure is attached. Part of that includes that the entry into one of the structures, this being the casita to the home, has to have direct access. with a length of no more than 20 feet. And then there has to be a continuous roof between those two structures. And so then the applicant demonstrated that there is a distance of less than 20 feet between the access into the casita to the home. And then also the roof line is right here. So that extends over the casita and the home. In addition to that, architecturally, It blends the two structures so that you don't see much of a difference. And you can see that this is the rear side of the main home on the right, and then the casita on the left. Also from the elevations, we saw that it does blend seamlessly with each other. And then this is another elevation rendering where we can see how it just blends into the home. On this plan, you can see where that first garage is on the lower level. This is the only lower level area that they have. And so it is for this garage. And then the rest of the home sits above that. So you can see the outline of the lower garage here and then the rest of the home with that rear garage towards this top side here. The applicant demonstrated that the home will meet the 24-foot plane offset from the natural grade or the natural historic grade. We can see that here. And then also that the overall height is within 40 feet. And so they have called that out at about 39 feet, 9 and 3 quarter inches. And this was demonstrated throughout the site, including that Casita site of it. The applicant had previously demonstrated that this also met detached height requirements. In essence, it is lower for detached. It's 16 feet. However, since it is attached, then the metric stays the same. So it's 24 foot overall. And this is another angle of that rear side of where that entrance to the casita is, and then the home. This is another rendering which shows that approach, that lower garage level, and then the home. These are photos of the site that the applicant had submitted. before I get into the materials palette. The applicant has proposed a number of lights. There is a linear light, about 70 lumens. There's 23 lights that are downlights at 750 lumens, and then 23 downlights that vary between 34 and 61 lumens. And then they have wall sconce, that is seven of those, and that's 320 lumens. The allowed lumen count is 750, so this is much, much more lower than what is typically allowed. Those lights, you can see that they are set with the exterior of the home in that deck area towards the front. Most of them are. So then you can see this is part of that linear light that I spoke about. And then this is the other linear light system. As I mentioned, one of them is 70 feet, and the other one is 100. I'm sorry, it has 70 lumens, and then the other one has 122 lumens. And then this is the spec sheet for that downlight. So there's, as I mentioned, one that is 750 lumens, and then the other one that varies slightly between 34 and 61. For the wall sconce, the applicant provided this spec sheet. As I mentioned, it is 320 lumens, which is much lower than that 750. In terms of landscaping, this project is obviously it's five acres. It's a huge development. It's 18,000 square feet. So they do have a lot of plants. Overall, the palette is very native to the Sonoran Desert. There are also Some grasses, there's blonde, ambition, loose grama. That's 365 of those. This particular grass is native to desert regions, Rocky Mountain regions as well. We do see it around town as well being used. But staff is not concerned with this grass, but just the quantity of it, 365. Other than that, the rest of their landscaping palette is pretty native to the Smyrn Desert. In terms of lighting, they do have a landscaping light of 52 of those at 114 lumens. The allowed lumen is 150. And then there's an additional low voltage path light 55 lumens. As mentioned, for path lights, actually, the allowed lumens is higher. It's 250. And this one is 55. So this is the schedule for that lighting, as you can see here, with each signal designations. And so all of those lights, especially the up lights, are facing towards plantings. They're not lighting up surfaces or walls. And so you can see them here within those triangle areas. The other light symbols are for path lights, in essence. And usually, our main concern with these lights, particularly up lights, is that they don't light up architectural surfaces or walls. But the applicant has shown compliance with these lights.

I do want to chime in, too, additionally. I know 52 up lights sounds like a lot. But based off of the metric that we have for every acre of disturbance, you're allowed a certain amount up lighting for landscaping and the applicant has provided that as well and meets our requirements.

And in terms of the materials palette, the applicant submitted this digital materials palette. we will need to test the materials, but in essence, particularly the stucco color, that is in line with our LRB requirements. Typically, Sherman Williams, when we've tested this manufacturer, it does reflect accurately what this LRV is. And so for the main stucco, they are using this stone lion color, which is kind of a tan. And then they also provided the middle fascia in bronze. You can see it here. And then they have accent steel bronze as well, which is in this dark grayish palette. For stone, they have this gray eco outdoor stone that is LRB 36, and then they have another accent stone that is solstice. The garage doors are proposed to be this warm wood, and then they do have additional stone veneer here, which they're calling out as solstice stone 22LRV. For natural stones, we also require that the applicant bring in those stones, particularly when there's multiple different stones being used. And so then those will be tested as well. In terms of the concrete for the driveway, they are using this finish as well. And it also seems to be LRB compliant. For the patio pavers, they are using this 3D silver travertine. Again, this will have to be tested, particularly because once the order comes in, there is variation with natural stone. And so we'll have to just do a test as well. And then I will show you renderings of the home. And that will complete my presentation. So as you can see it here, obviously, this is more of a heightened view. Just for illustrative purposes, this is not necessarily what the adjacent neighbors are going to see as this lot sits higher than most of the adjacent neighbors. And this was the rear towards that rear garage. And this is more so a truer view of what the home will look like. That concludes my presentation. Let me know if you have any questions, and then we'll invite the applicant to speak. Thank you so much. Nice presentation.

We've got some open chairs if the applicant wants to come up.

And if you introduce yourself, please turn on the mic. Thank you.

Good morning, everyone. I'm Stratton Andrews, the architect for the project. Thanks for being here. Of course. Thanks for meeting.

Anything you want to add to the presentation?

I mean, thanks for joining us in the summer. I really appreciate that. I think you guys did a pretty good job summarizing what we're kind of presenting here. And it's a big home on a big, big lot. And the essence of this is to use the disturbance that was there. That was from day one, is try to use the cut, use the drainage patterns that are established. kind of create this home for them that worked well. And it's this low profile, very horizontal project on the hillside. Obviously, that's where the design lends itself when you're just kind of stretching with the height limits and all this. So it's very linear, of course, just how the size and the stretch of the lot. But it sits within the contour lines, and it sits within that cut as best as we could. There's a lot of pieces to it. I think you touched on all of them from the guest houses and the materials and the uplighting the landscape. all this stuff. But again, yeah, using the existing driveway. And if you zoom out on that image one more, there's obviously quite a bit of disturbance at the bottom of the site, too. You can kind of see all that rectangle scarring there. No one really knows what that's from. And so we're kind of restoring that. We're cleaning up the driveway, cleaning up the street. We're doing sewer connection all the way down the driveway down Road Runner to the main road there. So that was, I believe, just approved from you guys the other day. So it should be a pretty clean improvement for what's going on back there because I know all those roads are narrow and a little tight there. So overall, hopefully, it's a positive thing for the neighbors. And we've spoken with quite a bit of the neighbors there. And they've received it well from everything we've talked about and just want to make sure. Yeah, everything goes good during construction, the usual. Where's parking going to be? How's the street going to be when we're ripping that up for sewers and all that things? And I tried to answer that the best I could. And all of them wish they were able to buy the lot. They all wish they could have that. So it's the theme of the conversations I've had with them. So that's it.

I do want to add, too, to Stratton. A few of the neighbors actually came in when we came in for concept and voiced their support for the project as well. That's good to know. Thank you.

I've got a few details to ask about. And thanks for bringing us in. We got to see it in concept, and it's exciting to see it this far. Where did you land on roof surface? I didn't see it on the material board called out.

I believe we called out the desert tone painted foam roof. So we looked at it with the engineers pretty heavily to do sort of a ballast on the scale of a roof. And it's really not about the material costs. Because it's the structural costs that implicate on these roof lines. So we were looking at almost adding like half a million dollars to the structural costs to make these cantilever roofs ballast. So our best approach was to not go, of course, white or a gray roof, to go with the desert tone roof on this thing. Because you almost couldn't get the cantilevers and some of these roof lines to work the way we had it. if you wanted to put a real rock ballast on this, which, of course, from a design standpoint, is the best way to do this. It puts an expensive home that much further over the edge. So we tried to use that tone. And we're talking another project, too. And we're going to do the same approach there, but add a little ballast in certain areas.

Any chance they could maybe broadcast some sand over that, just to try to keep reflective nature of a painted foam roof down exactly yeah we were doing some research on that have you been seeing that successfully around town and it's pretty successful and it's lightweight and it's just uh it's a little bit of labor material points we're trying to find a spec on that like how what do you call out for that sand finish or whatever on top of the thing but yeah we'd be yeah that'd be a great stipulation too to kind of

have that sand finish on top.

Just because the roof is, there's so much roof structure. And it's not like there's a lot of people above you. But as I like to say, I want to make it look good for Southwest Air Flight 183. But it is a hillside condition. And it'd be nice to, because that Listen, we get a lot of dust, as we knew from a couple of days ago. But it does kind of get a little bit of glare on there. With that much surface, it would be nice to broadcast something on it to cut that tone down.

Yeah, we'd like that, too.

Well, we might suggest it as we move forward today. Question for staff. The linear lighting, which I'm a big fan of, it's well shielded. No concerns there?

Correct. And again, it's in a private area, which can't be seen from the street or any of the neighbors.

And Stratton, you've heard the natural stone travertine warning. Make sure you test that lot before you sign off on it.

Yeah. Yeah, we've gone through this with Hillside. We've seen what you guys are testing now. We've kind of warned all the builders. If there's any deviation or anything strange, I mean, you're going to get in a lot of trouble. So getting them tested, getting the mock-ups, I guess I would assume pushing them to all have mock-ups and sign-offs on that well before big orders are placed is kind of what we're pushing them to do.

Great. Thank you. My only other concern is that, and I think the landscape's great. A lot of natives really appreciate that. Of course, they're very skilled. But my only question is, could we Let's pull up that landscape plan and take a look at that blue gamma, because it's just a big field of grass. It'd be nice to either diversify it or lessen it or introduce another plant to the palette. But let's take a look at it together real quick. And I think it appears in sort of the southwest portion of the plan, but I was a little confused.

Bear with me as our computer catches up to the file. So this is the symbol for that blue gamma. You can see it here.

There's like a big field of it on one of the drawings, I think. It wraps around a lot. There's a lot of it.

Yeah.

So it looks like we have a lot of grassy drifts towards the front door, not being a landscape architect. But I'd say that would be open. I think we could discuss with the client, maybe there's some areas of these drifts. And if you'd like to see that reduced, I don't think that's something they're absolutely needing on the project that is contained to the, almost we'll call that the courtyard areas and kind of the patio areas. So I think Green Picket's done a good job trying not to, they let the desert kind of envelop up to the site walls is the goal, of course. And then once you break inside that, I guess they've gotten a little bit more of the grassy nature with the trees there. So yeah, I mean, I don't think that's a hard position from us or landscape. But I would say no one's going to see that. And if it's not invasive or if there's not a concern on that front, I don't know.

It's pretty well encapsulated. But maybe we'll come back to that and think on it for a second. Open it up to committee, see if there's any other questions or comments.

I didn't see anything on grading and drainage. Did we see that?

Yes, everything as far as grading and drainage complies with all of our storm drain design manual requirements. There's a few comments that they'll need to address on the building side of things, not necessarily for the committee, but all meet our requirements.

Along those lines, I mean, is this compliant with the traditional flows? Is there any on-site retention? I mean, how are we moving forward?

So the proposed on-site retention is all with 48-inch retention tanks designed underneath the garage. So all the flows will lead into catch basins along the rear and around the home and flow into those retention tanks and bleed off within a 36 to 48-hour period.

Do we have any traditional issues with with drainage in the area or flooding or anything like that?

Historically that we've been At least since I've been a part of the town we haven't received many complaints in that neighborhood as far as issues with grading and drainage and flooding but what the applicant is proposing is a above and beyond what we normally require.

And this is a big lot. So the next closest residence is quite a ways away then. Can we just take a look on site how that looks?

That's what I was going to say. The nice thing about this is it's such a big lot. If you go to the back of the house, you kind of see it there. You can see there's three different flow lines coming down the hill. One, two. There's two more to the left, kind of. They're all minor. I think there's like 7, 10, and 15 CFS coming down there. So water runs, and it's channeled across there in little ravines. And it's hitting the back of this house. And traditionally, it's going around. We're exiting right where it was before. But there's so much room for it to let it to kind of get back into its channels. And we're piping under the house and kind of doing some pretty expensive infrastructure to get this even better than the way the existing house was. Compared to other homes that we're working on, this is almost an easier drainage site, it appears to me, based on what I've been dealing with. I don't know if you guys agree.

No, definitely. As far as we've dealt with sites that deal with over 100 plus cubic feet per second, this one, the most that we're dealing with is anywhere between 43 and 45. So all of it complies. And again, the infrastructure that's put in place, What it is is it's set to bleed off at one cubic foot per second. So whenever we're oversaturated with rain, it bleeds off slower. It reduces it significantly.

And if they're not having problems now with no house there, this is when you have the worst problems, right, when it's an open lot. And usually that's when the neighbors see the worst of it. So it's good that you haven't had any calls or issues with this.

Where will the construction parking and toilets and those sorts of things be?

So construction staging at the moment, it's projected to be mostly on the pad itself and up and down the driveway. The way that it looks like it's going to be built is from the back forward. And then, of course, they still have to dig in for those retention tanks first. So all the storm drain infrastructure will go in before we even start building the home.

Can you point out where the parking and the toilets are going to be relative to the neighbors?

So relative to the neighbors is actually going to be over here in this area where parking. Yeah.

This is easier to see. And that construction staging plan, staff will review that. It will be part of the requirement to release building permits as well.

So essentially where they could use for parking would be right here. And since this is already currently disturbed, they can use these areas as well. Prior to construction, none of it will end up being in the street, which works out very well for this neighborhood. Obviously, this roadrunner is very, very tight.

Yeah, I mean, we have a staging plan, of course, somewhere in the original submittal that the builder put together. I would assume they're going to use the pad for a while. And then once the house is done, all that lower level stuff, they'll park there. And then when they're finishing the site out, that gets revegetated and undisturbed as they're kind of leaving the site. So in theory, it's kind of actually nice because you're kind of starting up atop and regressing as you kind of finish the project out, which a lot of these lots don't offer you that ability. And you don't have to get that temporary disturbance allowance that I'm sure some of these need. Yes.

And in terms of the sewer infrastructure, I'm assuming that's all coming in first. Yes. And how is that going to work with this little tiny road? I guess that's sort of the bigger issue.

That would be a right-of-way question, and that's Out of the purview of the committee, unfortunately.

Yeah.

Would that go in first? They'd want to rip up. Unfortunately.

Yeah.

You would do that in the beginning?

Yeah. Because you're going to end up digging all this up and then repairing it back into place. Because it's going to be a hard dig. A lot of the times with sewer infrastructure, you're trenching the whole thing.

Because where's the connection point? I'm just thinking in terms of people being able to get in and out off of Roadrunner. Where's the connection?

I think it's down right there.

And they're going to extend it all the way up through? OK, so that won't really be adversely affecting anybody else's access in and out.

No, and if anything, If I were to guess, they would have a flagger set up to allow, obviously, flow in and out of these homes over here.

Thank you.

It'll be a nuisance.

But in terms of access points, so it seems like everybody else can get in some different way.

Yes. It's a beautiful home.

Yeah.

Very nice.

Stunning location. I think it's going to enhance it really well. Any other questions or comments from committee?

Yeah, hi. This is Su Menglao. Question for Stratton. Just checking, you feel good about the clearance, vertical and horizontal clearance for fire trucks between the casita and the main house? I was just concerned it looks a bit tight, right, 19 feet?

Yeah, I believe the fire truck turnaround radius is occurring right before you get to that. We have a exhibit from a long time ago showing the proper turnaround radius right before you get to that. So I don't know if we're able to pull that exhibit up, but that was vetted with the town and showed the proper grade slopes for the truck, the proper turn radius, and all of that. So it is a great point and it is something we definitely vetted because yeah, you're right. You can't get a truck under that canopy, but we're turning right before it. And that's, we've looked at that.

Awesome. I know it's not the preview of this, but just in light of that and talking about vegetation, just making sure you and your team, you're about to go through permitting and that you feel really good that you're passing all the clearances, um, with the vegetation. and feel good about that underpass with the roof over.

For fire or just in general, like every year?

Fire. We're thinking fire trucks. Yeah.

Again, so see the guest pull-off parking that we can kind of circle here? That was all designed by the landscape architects to make sure it's got the correct slope grades. And it's, what do they call it, a T turnaround radius for the town's trucks. So we can share that exhibit if you guys want to, but it's on file somewhere.

So this had already went through our building official. Obviously, this was prior to Brad Mecham coming on. But our previous building official approved this even prior to concept.

Excellent. Thank you. And just want to say, I think a really good job with blending and respecting the vegetation and your material palette of the hillside. I think you and your client did a good job.

Thank you. We're excited.

Just a touch base. So that T-turning radius is something that we're standardly doing as opposed to a loop or anything like that? I mean, it seems really tight.

So the way it goes, as long as it's As long as the fire truck can do a three-point turn in and out of the lot itself, That's how we gauge the access. And if we're doing a circular, it has to have a radius of 25 feet or something, 25-ish feet, something like that.

We've done a lot of these with the T, and it's been compliant. The radiuses are huge. So again, this lot has the room for it. But I'd be extremely hard pressed on some of the trickier hillsides. You can almost never get the radius to work with the slope grades and stuff. It's just, it would be really hard to almost implement a full radius requirement on some lots. You'd never, they'd be unbuildable.

Standard practice for a fire turnaround on these types of lots are typically a hammerhead or the T-shape. Okay.

Thank you for the clarification. Appreciate it.

Okay. Anything else in the committee? I'll open it up to the public if there isn't.

I think at some point we need to revisit grasses before we move forward. And I guess just in terms of linear lights, is staff comfortable with the location of those and the way they've been done? Because that's a little bit more intense than what we normally do.

Yes, and then additionally, they're Below are 250 allowable. The most that they're outputting is 122 as far as lumen count. And it's all within the back patio space and not out glaring and shining out to the neighbors or in the public.

Well, no, it's a big project with a lot of illumination. And the linear lights, there's just no breakup of them. covered and not visible, I think that's really the biggest issue. It's definitely a beautiful design. It's a big piece of property that I think can probably take the size of structure. Oftentimes, we see this size of structure in a postage stamp-sized lot. I think it's a little bit further up. Just be careful with your materials, pallets, and test when you get, in addition to ahead of time, because you just never know what you're going to get from the quarries. So that can become a big issue really quickly. But other than that, it looks like it blends, and you're doing a nice job of keeping it consistent with the desert landscape.

Is there any? Go ahead.

I was just going to mention, so part of the linear lights are here in this area under the counter. That's where you'll see some of those down lights, and then also here.

And that's also under a fire pit at your ankle height, too. That's just a little fire table. Oh, just underneath it. Oh, OK. So it's ankle height. OK.

I think those can be effective. I mean, I've seen them used a little bit more. They work well with modern architecture. And they give a glow more than a glare, which I kind of like. You get even distribution of light without a hard broadcasting fixture, which they've been a good use, I think. Is there anyone here from the community to speak on this application?

Stephanie, last thoughts?

I want to talk about the grasses a little bit, just collectively. So I want the committee's input on it. This is a great landscape palette. So it's primarily native. And the re-veg is very robust. And this is a good landscape architect who knows what they're doing on that. The grasses are mostly ornamental. They set the stage for the entry sequence. It's just a big number of them. And I think I understand. The mood they're setting at the approach is that you've got this sort of field of grass as you kind of come into the courtyard and entry. And that being said, I would love the committee's feedback on anything, if we should stipulate a reduction in the same type of material or if it's if it's just a statement that's well enclosed and controlled. I always worry with grasses, even if they're labeled non-invasive, that doesn't necessarily mean they won't start spreading. So if these were at an edge condition, I'd be a little more concerned. And there's a little bit of this here, but there's a buffer. So I'd love everybody's thought on whether we look to a reduction in an alternative, or if we just say it's an entry sequence?

I would just say one thing about the design of it, again, knowing what a lot of clients are doing right now. So everyone loves the storm desert and the palette, right? And I think a lot of people come here for that. And I think we're seeing, of course, almost a rejuvenation of that back, even in flat lots and whatnot. So I think that's overall a good trend for Paradise Valley. I think it seems like the days of a lot of turf and grass and irrigated landscapes are going away. But what is sort of the middle ground is this sort of grassier landscape. So it's sort of a little bit softer. It's a blend between the Sonoran Desert and kind of these backyard spaces, pools. I mean, of course, a lot of people everyone just keeps referring to Napa and those rolling hills and creating an experience like that. And we are seeing quite a bit of that inspiration in a lot of these landscapes. And I think it's definitely more in fitting with the desert than what we've seen with just these yards and turfs and white pavers and all that. It's grasses mixed within gravel, and it's sort of a buffer between the two zones. So I think it's kind of a nice middle ground for these clients, as opposed to going full Mediterranean courtyards and water fountains and everything's green. Of course, it's hillside. It's your guys' decision. But I think that's where the trends are in general. And maybe that's probably a positive thing anyway for the desert. But you tell me what you guys want to do.

Well, I guess my concern with grasses is that, irrespective of whether or not they're an invasive species of grass, is that they move and they will get blown around and their seeds will end up in other places. And this is just such a massing of grasses that I think it's a concern in the mountain areas. It's really not native. We're not in Napa. I would like to see some reduction where we don't have 350 grassy plants out there. I think that's my concern, is that irrespective of whether it's defined as an invasive species, they're going to move. Yeah.

I think Stratton put it really well. I mean, this is an antidote to a Mediterranean palette. So I think I'd rather see 365 grasses and 365 dwarf hollies, or dwarf holly, or any other dark green species. But it's a fine line, because the trend, the interest is to have this cool, oasis entry. And it's hard to get everybody to do that on hillside. But I mean, I still prefer a completely native planting. This is a beautiful site. This is a particularly, in my opinion, this is an opinion, beautiful part of Mummy Mountain because it was relatively large parcels. And therefore, the disturbance is not as great. And it is one of the last natural slopes that hasn't been eaten up with invasive buffled grass and road cuts. And so it's nice to know that what they're doing exterior on this house is, I would say, I'd have to do the figures, but certainly 90% native or actual native to the area. So I don't know, hard call.

I don't know. The other thing that I would say is the way I've seen in the more modern landscaping planning, you see the grasses and they look nice for a moment in time. And then they really grow up and they explode. And they're not so nice. They take over. They're clumps. And that's the other thing that I would caution you on is that, yeah, I don't know. Unless you have these big, giant, bushy grasses, They're not as nice. They're nice at the very beginning for a moment in time, unless you're removing constantly. So I don't know. But I'm more concerned with the ability to spread it around irrespective of the fact that it's in the courtyard. I mean, they're still going to blow.

birds and the like. But I do think that it's, you know, this is, I think this is kind of where most of these are proposed. Does this look accurate to you?

Yeah, the rear courtyard up against the hill, kind of defined by eight-foot walls on your hillside.

If we... I'm going to talk about, and everybody can chime in on this, I kind of think we're moving forward. We don't see any big issues, but I feel like there's a couple stipulations I might like to entertain. One would be a reduction in that of about 20% with an alternative plant. to be introduced. Maybe just to keep it away from that edge condition is kind of what I'm concerned. Keep it on the left side, going towards the front door. Do something a little more native on the other side. I think that might work. And then I want to revisit the roof a little bit and maybe step some sort of on how I'd like to phrase it and like some input on it before I Make a motion. Sand broadcast or similar non-glare top coat material to be approved by staff and chair. Do you think that's something that you can live with?

Yeah, I think that's what we were trying to almost find that wording, too, for another project we're coming in with. It's like, what do you call that top coat, that top cast that you said? So yeah.

Otherwise, just paint, welcome to Paradise Valley. Support your hillside on the roof. So when they see it, they'll know. Yeah, go Suns.

Oh my god.

Yeah, I think that's good. Nice. OK, thank you.

Just to chime in a little bit, I think a landmark that we can use just for reference for the architecture team is potentially using where the casita bridges over to the home, keeping this blue gamma grass within that back part of the house. And then wherever it's supposed to strip through, use some different sort of more native planting, if that makes any sense. Because there's some that comes around that corner up the drive. If we're able to just keep it all in the private area, keep it restricted, I think that'd be a good alternative. Because as you can see, it comes through. the drive, then you have the roof, and then you have everything there. So using that as your landmark to just spitballing some ideas here just to help.

That actually would be a natural reduction. So we wouldn't have to call it a percentage or number. We could just say that be removed from edge conditions of site. I think we're on the same page. Staff, everything else in order, you think?

Any other comments from the committee?

I would like to, at this time, make a motion that we approve item A26187, the formal review for new single-family residence at 5611 East Roadrunner Lane, with the stipulations as indicated in the report, adding two additional Additional stipulation one would be applicant to provide final roof color and surface material inclusive of a sand broadcast or similar non-glare topcoat material for approval by staff and chair. And additional stipulation two, blue gamma grass in landscape to be removed from edge conditions of site. and substituted with other native plant or similar to be submitted for approval to staff and chair.

Second that motion.

Thank you. Any other conversation before vote? All good? Let's take a vote. All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? We're hearing none. Now the hard work begins. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thanks for coming out. Thank you for a nice application. Amazingly light room this morning. All right. Well, I think we'll just keep moving right along. We don't have any committee reports. Steph, you got anything to add?

No new staff reports. We will actually be taking a brief little recess in August. We will not be meeting. Looking to schedule our tentative September date for September 9th, if that works for everybody.

Take a look real quick. Yeah, that works for me. And I think we'll have a robust welcome back.

Yes. Yes, definitely. Definitely going to be a jam-packed agenda for sure.

As of now, we have six items, maybe seven.

What's that? As of now, we have six items.

Wow. I know on my end, there's two of them that are like a carport. They're very small. It's not like you're going to see seven homes of this size and matter.

I have three formal items coming across. Oh my gosh.

Chair, does that cross the threshold for bagels?

That does. That triggers the unofficial bagel rule so that we can get some fuel to get through such a big agenda. But that's great. I want to thank everybody for their participation today. Orly, I want to welcome you to the town. And we will see each other soon. Thank you. Thank you. I move to adjourn. Second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. Have a great summer, everyone. Thank you.

Bye, everyone. Thanks.