Council - Regular Meeting

from my front door. Yes. around the school and back. Oh, wait.

Are we good? Okay. I will open this combined city council and page utility enterprises joint special meeting May 13, 2026. The time is 4:31. Um, I will we will call to order and then we'll have Chairman Tony do the same to open his meeting. Madam clerk, will you please do roll call? Mayor Kidman here. Vice Mayor Pharaoh here. Councelor Hedinger here. Councelor Prell here. Councelor Cojan here. Councelor Roundtree here.

And councelor Hammond is excused. Over to you, Chairman Tony. Uh, Mr. Mayor, Council, thank you. I'll call roll call. Chairman Tony is here. Chuck Stra here. Jeff Jones here. Alan Nelson here. Tom Guyger here. We are here. We are present. Present. Accounted for the only thing that's not accounted for in this PUE meeting is the pizza. I actually with that we'll turn it over to uh pee board. Um I guess it goes to Brian Hill. Yes.

Uh yes, council. Uh council, we uh here to present our budget. And if you have any questions while we are presenting that, if you'd like to ask anyone on the board or Brian Hill, uh we'd be happy to uh to answer uh any questions that you do have. Uh this time I'm going to uh introduce Brian Hill and he will start with our electrical part of our budget.

Thank you, Chairman. Everybody got a copy of the proposed budget should with a cover letter, the quick communication, etc. Um, so we'll go to page two of that document and and page two is the start of the electric budget. We want to first just go over briefly. Is everybody there? Just a moment. You're not talking about this one here, right? No, that's that is the GM report and that has some financial information of which we're going to be occasionally referring to as we go through our presentation. Page two,

this guy right here we're looking for. It looks like this. There's a lot of It's a barrage of information. That one. One moment. It's labeled down here in the bottom. Page two. Hang on. Let me I can help. I'm sorry about that. Oh, you're trying to get it on the computer. Yeah, we got it. page two. So, I'm pretty sure it's correct. So, did I give out the ones that were supposed to be out there? This This is the um I'm kind of oldfashioned. I I elect, but I like paper, too. So, it's Yeah, it's this one that has the um That's the first page of the electric budget.

Okay. says page two, but it says page five and 16. Handwritten to page two.

We got this. Now, just so we're all on the same page, is everybody good? Is everybody there? Let's talk about

Let's talk about our budget format. Remember, ours is a little bit different than what you're used to with the city. Ours we use FK uniform system of accounts. That means we use GL, general ledger codes on how we do our budget. Now, what with what you see here, this we use our budget is actually a management tool. This is our sheet of music that the board council this is how we conduct business throughout the year. So, this this keeps us all on the same page. What um what happens is tonight the the board of course recommended this on the council. When you approve this, we'll clean this up and make it look like a city budget, but we still throughout the year, we still refer to this. And this is how we how we do business with GL codes. Notice we have over there on the very left side, you have a GL code number. Then we have what is the description of each budget line item. Then we have fiscal year the actuals from fiscal year 2324 then 2425 then actuals to the end of December. So 6 months into it. How we doing? Next is the actual budget that we're in. Then we go to the proposed budget. This is what we're proposing under proposed budget. This is what we're bringing to you. And then you can see budget variance. So any changes that we made from last year's budget, we put that in there. So we're not, you know, so you always have a a a base baseline to know what we're proposing. What what have we changed from last year to this year? And then of course then there's notes. There should be a note for every place that we made a change and notes for places that we just want extra description. So with that, if you start at the top, you see revenues. Um

you can see that the utility runs on about 13 million a year. Just a couple uh small changes there on that one. The big thing on page one, you look about a third of the way down there, you'll see a budget line item called energy and fuel. That's $7.7 million. That's got to be paid every every year. That's what we pay for wholesale power. We budget that and and we'll talk about it. It's a it's a u a megawatt hour. That's a th00and kilowatt hours. We sell kilowatt hours. We buy megawatt hours. So a,000 kilowatt hours. We budget at $62 per megawatt hour on an aggregate blended cost. If you have a copy of this there, this is your general manager report. You get this sent to you every month. So you can see a scorecard quickly every month on how we do with our with our wholesale power cost. I I think this is important because this is probably this is the most costly thing we do in the city of Paige and we're completely on the on the will of and the in the whims of the energy market. If you look at that general manager report and go to page three, the third page looks like this. It's a big lots of numbers. We're a numbers group. We love them. I don't know if we love them, but we got to work with them. So down on the lower right hand corner you can see that in March of 2026 if you look at the top there you see blended power cost all the way over to the right. What this is is all the the resources that we get from we we get we get our pages crisp power. Then we got

western replacement power. Then we have remember we have a little bit of Hoover power enough to run a toaster in the morning. Then we get we get a benefit credit contracts. These are Native American benefit credit contracts that we negotiated where we take their allocation from the dam and we then we pay WAPA for the power and we give them a benefit at or below market but it it work turns into costbased generation and that's with the crit with the ute and walapies and we add we then we have the the magic contract the one that we really struggle to stay into that was a supplemental contract that's the WAPA supplemental on that page. And then all the way down in the in the bottom right, you see the blended per C power cost for the month. And you and the 12-month average. Notice in March, that was 36.94. What what did we say that the budget cost was?

62.

62. But we have had, if you look up above there, we have had months that were above budget. And if you recall back in 2022, we got a we got a bill for one month for $4 million. That that put the fear of God in everybody in the industry. So that's the that's the market. That's that's the world we we play in here. It's it takes no prisoners and and the bills got to be paid. So you can see in the GM report and of course in in your budget how we're doing compared to what we're budgeting and what we're actually paying. Down below you have personnel wages. We did put a 5% increase in there. Go ahead, John.

I got a question about the diesel. You took it down. Yeah. Go ahead. I'd have to run the generators that much cuz diesel is what 5.5 dollars a gallon now.

We the No, the the diesel generators are just run as a hch. So they are dispatchable. Right now if you look I love the jump back to the report. If you look at the final page of the report of this of this handout page 8 at the bottom you can see that strike price for April 2026 is $560 per megawatt hour. Now there's a lot of there there's a lot of variables here. There's a lot of pins in here when you're talking about power. That's just the energy. There's also capacity. The generators pay for themselves for page right now because there's something called the reserve sharing the the reserve sharing requirement. That means as a load serving entity, I don't get to just go slam a a meter up at over in the western yard and start buying and selling power. I got to have so much spinning reserve. If I don't have that, I got to buy it from somebody else. those generators. I don't have the numbers off the top of my head, but basically that that gives us our that meets our reserve sharing requirement and prevents us from having to buy it from somebody else. They're dispatchable. They're ready to go and there have been times when market price actually exceeds what the diesel generation price are and we have run them into the market. I don't believe we've done that in the last year.

Yeah, but I thought we had to run them so much a month. Just one hour per month. Oh, that's all. Okay. And then we don't ever try to sell power because it would be $300 a kilowatt or something. 520 right now. Okay. Okay.

But we budget them and and uh they are they are a resource. Um first page you can see kind of generally there's ag costs. You can see we can talk about all that till the cows come home. Um, any questions on the first page of the electric budget? Second page. You know, obviously we're not making very meaningful big differences last year to this year. Second page, you can see if you look about a third down there, um, you have total revenues minus O and M and ANG, that's $1.4 million. So, in other words, if power comes in at budget and we and we pay all of our bills, we're budgeted to have a a cash surplus of $11.4 million. But, but remember, we have depreciation every year. We have to depreciate this plant, the plant, the depreciation of the plant. And and this this where it goes into we consult with uh I I don't know what what all Katherine anyway they she's got handbooks and we we depreciate transformers at so many years and the trucks that we have and wire in the ground everything that plant is worth about $22 million and so we depreciate that. So, the goal is to have enough leftover to put back into your system every year because, of course, you can't just go down to the dealership and buy a brand new electrical system. We have to maintain that. So, you can see down there for a for a $13 million budget, then we're pretty close. We're about within about 32,000 of balancing that out. If we're buying power at market, we're not buying power at market. We're buying power below

market. Happy to say that we're doing a $2.5 million upgrade to the to the Slavven substation down there and we're able to pay cash and just write checks for it. You can see next at the bottom of that page are all the the capital projects and and the notes therein that describe those capital projects. You can see in the current actual budget, you can see the $2.1 million that we budgeted for that substation upgrade. We have 600,000 we're proposing to finish that off, do commissioning um and and to finish that off this upcoming budget year. Then we have down below capital additions thing and you can see the bigger things that we're putting on there. Um there's a note there and those notes will describe what capital additions we're looking at doing. Any questions on the second page? I know there's a lot of numbers there, but it it follows that you can see what we where we've been, where we're at, and where we're trying to go. with descriptions. And of course, the the following page just kind of shows um our fund balances. I also want to um I I asked Donna and Katherine to include the financials. If you look at the back here to the general manager report, if you look at handwritten page number nine, you can see that in the bank currently you have real close to 23 million in the bank in the electric fund. All funds combined. That's your status right now. won't be putting much in the bank this

year because we're b we're upgrading that substation. Any questions on the electric budget? That that's kind of an overview. Obviously, a lot of detail to this. What about the Go ahead and put on your microphone. Do you have your microphone on? Oh, it is. Yeah, I think it's upside down. Oh, upside down. What about the shortage of crisp power this year? very I want you look look at page two of your general managers report you can see how much Chris power you get every month

middle of the page it says April 2026 power supply contracts if you look there you can see how much this is you have the sustainable hydro power number that's how much like any given year everything's normal everybody's happy. Um, that's that's a sustainable hydropower. That's the capacity as well as the energy. Remember in in our business, we not only do you buy just the kilowatt hours, but you also have to pay and a lot for the capacity to make those kilowatt hours. So, we get capacity and energy if you that and that's for pages crisp allocation as well as the three benefit credit contracts that you have in addition to pages crisp allocation. Then if you go down below, down below there in March, you can see that we're down to 76.9% off the market. That's a lot more. That that number is going to get worse. So that means we got to that means we're going to have to buy more market power going forward. That gives us that puts us exposed basically to natural gas prices. Wish I had better news for you, but that's just reality.

Yeah, I have good. Look at the lake and that number is traditionally has been between 60 50 to 60% we get off of crisp and then of course you know that that's all pretty low cost. There's actually been years that we have AHP, additional hydropower, because it's when they try to equalize with meat, they run it through. Right now, they're doing these uh bypass flows to cool fish, which is absolute waste of money. So, they bypass the water because they want cooler water to cool the fish. I can't make that up. They're still doing that. Yeah. At times. Oh, man. When it gets scheduled to do that,

terrible. very hurtful that that comes out of power revenues. Um we we we're part of uh CREDA, Colorado River Energy Distributors Association. That's a lobbying group that we actually pay into the help to help fight that. Otherwise, I think it would just run us. Any questions? I think that got one more comment.

Yes. going forward. We just are the electric utility industry has gone through a very big change. Traditionally, if you can think of, remember, we're kind of a young industry. I mean, we're only like 100 to 120 years old, but it used to be APS had their service territory and they built their regional they were their regional transmission operator. they had their control area boundary. SRP had their own. Utah Power had one, Nevada Energy, even NUA. And so to cross those boundaries required a lot of rules. Um what the industry is trying to do is do more with less. Accordingly, they're trying to break those boundaries down. It took a great deal of engineering modeling and additional relaying so you could safely do that without firming. It used to have to firm power from one side to go to the other. At this point um that remember we got kicked to the curb by WAPA about a year two years ago. We got the dreaded letter. We managed to stay with WAPA and now we have been entered into the Southwest Power Pool. That means that we are a load serving entity as a part of this new world. WAPA still does our our scheduling and marketing, but now we pay a lot of bills directly to SP ones that we didn't even know were going to exist. It still is working out very favorable for us. But what you'll see next year, and Katherine and I have talked about this, is back on the first page of the electric budget under purchased uh and generated power, you're probably going

to see some more line items because we you have to pay for u margin errors when when it's scheduled a little too much or a little too little, we get fined on that. we that that energy means in the minute has to be displaced to somebody else or back off a generator somewhere that all costs money. Um there there's all these uh ancillary services we have to pay for inefficiencies in the in the transmission. Um they have come up with with fees that I didn't even know you could come up with fees for. But that's all stuff that now that in this new world that we have to pay. So, we'll be adding to those and we're watching this. This just happened. This just started for the first time April 1st. So, we're in a new world. So, just just look look for that. What I we can't say this is wonderful. We're learning. We're we're going shoulderto-shoulder and walking into this right now.

So far, it's working out very very well. If there's no further questions on electric, I'll move to water. Okay. Page six. Correct.

Page six, handwritten six. The comments is, as you can see, u not much change from last year with what we're doing with water. Water's water is a tight budget. It's just a little $2 million utility. $2.1 million utility. Not a lot. Try to do a lot with a little pumps, motors, pipes, all that wonderful stuff is about 150% to 200% the cost it was before CO. So it so our hardware cost has definitely gone up, but we're we've we're managing to to if you look at the second page of water, um I want you to notice that revenues minus expenses and after depreciation is about 296,000 in the in the red. However, we're spending 260,000 a year budgeted to to go through these federal programs for the to uh attempt to get funding for the water intake structure and pipeline as well as the plant upgrade. On that note, when we can actually start constructing, we can start capitalizing some of those costs, meaning that it won't be operational costs. That'll be it'll those will be capital improvements, even all that administrative effort to get that funding.

Are you able to look to apply those retro? Uh, no. No, we won't be able to apply those retro, unfortunately, just just as we go. Is it correct me if I'm wrong Katherine only in the same financial year

I want to point out on on about three4s of the the down there here's big changes this year in the budget if you look at water treatment plant expansion contingency you can't spend in a city you cannot spend what you don't budget for 6.2 2 million. We anticipate starting construction on the water treatment plant expansion. We're going to make it in from a 3.2 million gallon per day facility, licensed facility to a 6.6 million gallon per day facility. Are we there yet? Pardon?

Are we there yet at the 6.2 million gallons or no?

No. on a on a on a real hot day, we we run between four to 4.2. So, we push it beyond its licensed capacity. But, you know, that's essentially what we we're doing is adding more UV uh disinfecting protection as well as most of its hydraulics. the same sa sand filtration area. They're only it was only being pushed to two gallons per square foot per second and apparently we can go to we're going to four quite easily. The Deer Valley plant pushes it to six. So, but that requires some hydraulics and some extra controls for increased backwashing, that kind of thing. But then, but we're waiting right now. We're awaiting um ADQ's approval to move forward with this project. You what we plan to do is we'll we'll be bringing this to council to approve to move forward on construction. The how we'll be doing this is remember we got that whiffle loan. Remember council approved the whiffle loan a couple three years ago. So what we'll be doing is as the bills come in for that construction, we'll pay for that out of the WIFA loan. We have a 6.2 6.5 6.2 $.2 million whiffle loan as as those the good news is 700,000 of that is forgivable. Additionally, we have 3 million through the EPA that's been approved and funded. So that's 3.7 of the $6.2 million project that's going to be funded either by the state through the WIFA forgivable or for um or or by the EPA. through the federal grant process. That means we got about 2.5 that we can come up that we have to come up with cough up

on our own. Uh I want I want to show you if you would back to the GM report and u remember we looked at how much do we have in the bank for the gwiz how much do we have in the bank for the water utility and that the answer to that is just just shy of 9 million. page page 10. The top of page 10, correct? Page 10. Handwritten. Page 10.

So, remember, we've been we've been shoving money in the bank on purpose, waiting for the day when we're going to do this. We've delayed it somewhat because we're hoping to get some funding and we have. So, likely about 2 and a.5 million of that water treatment plant update will come out of the bank here. We will make those payments. We will pay that that that debt off as Josh will let us with the and and Linda will let us because we have a spending limitation problem. You can spend if it's grant it doesn't count. If it's loan, it doesn't count to pay to spend money out that cash you have in the bank. They put a speed limit on you. I don't can't explain why they do that, but that's just how it works. So to the ex as fast as we can, we'll pay that off and get that off the books. That's the strategy here. The other one that you have on there is intake pipeline environmental and design services. So, we're going out on the national park right next to Lake Powell, drilling a big old fat hole right down into the lake and putting a a pumping plant and then bringing a pipeline across park service property. Does anybody see any problem with that? So, to to make that happen, now remember all we're doing is we're just following what the Bureau of Reclamation said this is what you should do, the federal government. So that's why the mayor and I with the con you we walked the halls of Congress went into the EPA core of engineers Senate building put on the monkey suit and talked nicely and they're giving us money. They gave us 3.5 million to start this and Senator Kelly just wrote signed a letter saying

that he's all for a 2027 year mark. Another three million to finish this off. That's $6.2 $2 million worth of engineering and environmental work to get this thing shovel ready to be able to do that. So that's why that 6.2 we won't be spending 6.2 next year but this is going to be a three plus year engineering design environmental project to get the clearances to be able to do such a thing. But we got to have it in the budget. Any questions?

And those just just for the council's understanding. I think I might have shared you have put out the request for just for RFQS. Is it RFQS on that design design and environmental? Is that what the right term? RFQS. So that's a process already happening. move. We're moving forward regardless of, you know, we we've got to move forward so it's ready for when everything else falls into place. Right. Right. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's not a shovel ready project. So, if somebody just backed up the truck and gave us $30 million to build this thing next week, we we I mean, nobody's going to let us go out there and start drilling holes in the Lake Pal. So, that's that's that's what that that money's for. That's the upshot of the water budget. And then you can see on page eight, handwritten page eight, all the notes. Note 11 shows um how we're doing it with water, the the wet utilities. Just shows some of the bigger pieces of equipment and uh projects that we're looking at doing. Any question on the water budget?

No. Okay. Next, we'll we'll talk about the most unloved part of the city of Paige until something goes wrong and then it is love.

It's it's something it's got to happen. It it has to happen. Nobody loves it, but it's it's just way. In other words, when we go down and we put in an $800,000 liner for for the for one of the ponds, you know, we don't have hot dogs and cokes and balloons for the kids and the radio station. Nobody really wants to come down and see it. But it is hard work. It's stuff that needs to be done. Um, we got to we have qualified people, ADQ qualified staff. uh that th those qualifications are from a level one to a level four that are down there and um and really appreciate all the work they do and their expertise. It's quite it's quite a laboratory. Love to take anybody down there that's ever interested in in seeing that operation. It's full of pumps, motors, gadgets, gizmos, airators, uh injecting chemicals, and and then there we have a full lab down there constantly taking samples and sending that off. And by the end of all this that takes place down there, they tell me you could drink it. I will not do that. Um, it is it is a fascinating operation. You can see though we're just about all the same there. There's one part there. Look in the middle of the page. The sewer of the sewer utility, page nine. Those are in red. If you look at the last page of your handout, Chairman Fernando sent a letter to you back in January talking about these are expenses. Keep in mind this is class A affluent. Someday and a and a council someday may have a customer for that and your golf course may have to compete for the cost

of that water. I'm I'm not a prophet, but just watching how water look, how water goes, someday you're probably going to have somebody that's going to want to write you a check for that water. Today is not that day. But what has been happening since you merged the utilities back in 2012, you have we have all had some golf course expenses within held within the utility, paid for by the utility, managed by the utility. We're suggesting with Chairman Fernando's letter that perhaps it's time to put those where they're at. They're supposed to be those those costs are everything basically on the golf course side of the road from the plant. So in other words, the the the plant still pumps the water up to the golf course and pays for that. But then there's lots of gadgets and gizmos, golf course irrigation software, for example, irrigation stations, um the sprinklers, the pipe, the the controls, all and then the power to run all that. Um you can see are those three expenses there in the budget. And so at the pleasure of council, we'll go we'll do whatever council says, but it it's uh the board thought it was time to at least bring this up and have it as a discussion point what you'd like to do in the future.

Okay. Yeah, we'd appreciate if you just keep paying that. that will if you look at we can but if you look at the second page page 10 you're running about 140,000 150,000 in the in the red ink and that that's where the pumps pipes motors gadgets and gizmos all the hardware down there that it takes to keep that thing going um we we just haven't been able to get ahead of Yes, councelor Preller.

Um, I guess I had a question on uh procedurally how we would do that with this being the format of the meeting. Um, is that something we would discuss here and now because it's tangental to the agenda? Is that something for tomorrow? Part of tomorrow's discussion, is it not? Say again. The the Lake Pal National Golf Course placement in the budget. Is that that part of tomorrow's discussions?

We have that expense in the proposed budget. So what whatever we decide on that tomorrow will kind of retroactively be applied to this budget. Well, yeah, simultaneously. Okay. Yeah. Councelor Rry, that's what I'm saying. Then tomorrow if we approve because they're already in tomorrow's budget, then that would address this. Is is that a question or It would address this, right? tomorrow our discussions I would assume so I I'm not over this budget so I'm not sure if I should speak to that okay

well so okay then if

I can interrupt we we all feel that this is a city expense and not a utility expense that should be covered by the the city because the golf course is completely um run and operated by by the city we've been doing this for many years um And uh our chairman uh came up and and discussed it with us. And the amount of money per year is funding that could be used to improve the sewer plant and can be used to actually um help out with the utility instead of just spending it on the golf course. Um it it needs to be done and we need to have the golf course uh to be able to um release the water that that we we make from the sewer plant in order to have a place to discharge all that. So that's a great benefit to the sewer system. Um, but the cost of having to pay for sprinkling systems and pumps and all of that we feel is unfairly being charged to the utility instead of the um golf course.

Council. So then Jeff the question is as council members we've already see we've all been studying the budget for tomorrow and this has already been transferred over and it's a line item in the city's proposed budget. So do you want us to address it tonight or addressing it tomorrow when we go over that budget and we accept the line item that's already been transferred over? I think the main thing is that it that number one that it's been discussed and that that you're all willing to discuss it as whether or not you're going to accept it as part of the city budget and will make a difference uh on on what that does to our budget as far as being able to have additional funds that we need to improve the sewer plant. So, uh if you already are planning on putting it in the city budget, then there's no discussion. So, it's already it's and

thank you. I don't know. It's not my budget. Um I I will say if you're looking at raw dollars in at least the next few years from the city versus a utility side, the city will actually get some money back for review fees for some of these large projects. So, um there's there's that component, too. Um but but this this money I would assume they're looking at it being an ongoing expense from now on. So in the city Okay. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Yeah, we'll just look for direction on on what to present. Okay.

You know, going forward. Um back to the this document. If you look at page 11 handwritten sewer fund that you got about about four.9 million that we have never been able to get that up above uh not that I recall anyway. So your your sewer utility is the one that's the tightest. That's the one that we're we really try to squeeze every drop of juice we can out of everything we got down there.

And of course in the last page 11, the last page of your sewer utility, you can see uh just some of the projects that we have, capital projects. One thing uh one thing that is big so and it go this the this sewer water comes in and it never stops 24/7. It's it's it comes and it's got to be dealt with. So it goes goes into this headworks and then one ditch and that does some magic stuff there with bugs and then it goes into another ditch and does some more magic and then it goes into this other thing gets separated. the SL the solids go out that gets dried out in this half million dollar squeeze press thing that we got and then it's kind of a clear water then it goes into some sand filters and if you go back to our 20 water study which is kind of our guidance for everything. Um that said by the way you're licensed for 2.0 million gallons per day at your water at your wastewater treatment plant. you ain't got the you ain't got the sand filter capacity to even meet that. So any any hopes of ever increasing the capacity of that plant starts at that sand filter. That's what that 800,000 of is. It's two of them and we're going from charcoal sand filter media to a canvas media. Our staff went down. That's what they're using at Cottonwood Prescuit. We Sedon, one of those towns down there. Uh they've incorporated this and it work. it's working out very well for them. So, this is expensive, but this is just like the water treatment plant. This is something that we're doing to get the actual capacity up to our licensed ability. And um and then once we do that to both of them, it's 800,000 per per filter per per deal down there. Where's two of them? Um we're doing one currently, then we want to do

the other one. Our hope is to go to ADQ and ask to to upgrade the plant licensing, but that's that those are our big projects that we're working on right now. We've known that we've needed to do this even before that study came out, but we've been doing pond liners and squeeze press and um pond liners have been we we've put we've put several million in pond liners down there. They've all been replaced now since one of them was still there from the 50s. had to get done. Any questions on the wastewater treatment budget? The last budget you see is the is a little garbage budget. Back when you merged the utilities in 2012, there was the city didn't have a an effective way to bill for residential garbage. So what so the utility does that garbage contract that you have with Republic that is is it Republic or Allied? Now

what is it? Which one? Republic. Republic. Okay.

Change your name. But that contract is with the city of Paige. City of Paige has that contract. We collect and pay the bill for that. So um and then we just have some peanuts and popcorn that we ask proportionate to uh rel proportionate to revenue. They just it throws in a little bit for postage and for billing costs and that not very much. The one expense that you also pay for out of that is the just out of convenience, we pay the landfill monitoring fee. Out of that, some of that we do collect a little bit more than what we spend. And you can see since 2012, you now have um back to this, we have our financials. Uh the very last page, you have 1.6 million in the bank as that that you put up. That's Um, if council wanted to do something different with garbage someday, there's your war fund. Those are the four funds that we the three utilities and four funds that we that you've given a stewardship with. And um that's our proposed budget for the utilities. Any

okay questions? Any other questions for them? Councelor Hedinger, you've been awful quiet. Can you still hear us? Yes, I'm still here just listening and taking in all the goodness. Okay. Making sure that we encourage

gave you a chance to ask questions. Um, thank you for the presentation on the budget. Um, I ask if there's I'll ask for a motion to accept this budget. Anybody want to make a motion? We are moving doing the motion right now. Right. We do need to make the motion now. Can Okay. Go ahead. Councelor Pharaoh. I move to accept the budget as presented. I'll second it.

Motion from councelor Pharaoh, second from councelor Roundtree. All in favor say I. I. I. Motion passed unanimously. Thank you everybody. Thank you. I would go ahead