City Council - Regular Meeting

Right. Good evening everybody. I'm going to call us to order. We do have a 5:45 executive session contrary to whatever Diana says. Um so uh if you can start with roll call please. Councilwoman Ruckman here. Councilman Robleski here. Councilman Furnus here. Councilwoman Steel here. Mayor Little here. Councilwoman Ferguson here. Councilwoman Rayo here. Councilman Bernard here. And Councilman Bennett here. Okay. And then I'll ask for a motion to go into executive session in accordance with RS Mo 61021 subsection 3 for personnel matters. Motion second. And roll call that vote, please. Yes. Yes.

Yes. On this. Yes. Handle that back. All right. Welcome everybody to the city council meeting for Overland for October 27th, 2025. Start with roll call, please. Councilwoman Ruckman here. Councilman Robleski here. Councilman Furnis here. Councilwoman Steel here. Mayor Little here. Councilwoman Ferguson here. Councilwoman Rayo here. Councilman Bernard here. And Councilman Bennett here. All right. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. And if it's your first time here, please remain standing at its conclusion in remembrance of our service men and women.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Please be seated. All right. In the way of community announcements tonight, we have two. Uh I'll start uh with the chief with a presentation here.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, back in August of 25, uh, several officers received a, uh, call for a check to welfare of a person that hadn't been seen in a while. Uh, upon initial observations, nothing appeared to be suspicious or out of the ordinary. They didn't end there, though. They they continued to check. They were able to obtain uh contact information for relative. Uh they made contact with that relative and were able to uh find a way to get into the house. Uh upon checking the house uh they located the subject who was uh in dire need of medical attention. Uh had the uh officers uh not done a thorough job of checking uh and making sure he was okay, this gentleman most likely would have died. Um and those officers are Corporal Robert Bisby and Officer John Bulber and another officer that wishes to remain anonymous. [laughter] So, uh but I would like them to come up and receive their award. Also [applause] [applause] those lightsaber

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Great. Thank you, gentlemen. And uh if you guys watch much TV, Officer Boler will be representing Overland here at Guns and Hoses here in about a month. So, if you like watching boxing, he's going to be on the big stage there. I typically am the drummer for that event, but I'm off this year, so but I'll be watching you on TV. Best [laughter] of luck. All right, Edy Kumali. Okay, can you hear me? Good evening. I hope you're all doing well. Um, I'm here to talk about the Overland Farmers Market and to request that the Overland Farmers Market be included in the listing of the events count. While it may be true that the market is not governed by the city, it uh has become an integral part of the city and pro public private partnerships abound and have been proven to benefit both partners in the collaboration. The Overland Farmers Market is a 501c3 not for profofit. We have no paid staff and it is the volunteers who work really hard to keep it running and successful. The market has been running in Overland since 2007. Our vendors and customers come from the surrounding communities because it's such a great place to meet new people and see neighbors and friends. Our state

rep, Doug Clemens, uh is at the market once a month to meet and speak with his constituents, not only from Overland, but from the surrounding communities that he represents. The library makes it a point to be at the market because he can reach out to the community and give them an overview of all the great programs, and they really have great programs. um that they have for children and adults. Any business thinking of locating or relocating to Overland would be impressed that Overland has and supports a farmers market and includes it in in its event schedule. Um, we have live entertainment and all the bands are local and bring great music and their fans into the city. Some really great PR for Overland and it doesn't cost the city anything but the promotion. Now, if you really wanted to be bold, we uh we hope we could be included in the city calendar for the month of May. That's when we open. Um and the market has some really amazing pictures of what we have to offer, both produce, vendors, food, anything your little heart desires. Um, we hope that you'll consider including the Overland Farmers Market in the events calendar. It would be a winwin for the city and the market and prove that public private collaborations are beneficial to everybody. Thanks for your

time and attention. Ed Kumanali for the Overland Farmers Market. We're closed now for the season, but I hope that when we resume in May, you'll all come and have a great breakfast or a great lunch and visit us for a while. As an aside, where the police chief, I was in Shnooks today and they were singing the praises of the Overland Police Department. They are on the case. So, thank you J. Thank you.

Thank you. And that's, I think, a request that we can handle quite easily. We We'll get that taken care of. Sure. All right. On to the technical stuff. Uh, we have three public hearings. Jason, if you want to take over for those, please.

Yes, sir. Please take notice that the city council of the city of Overland, Missouri will conduct a public hearing on October 27, 2025 at 6 PM in the council chambers of Overland City Hall located at 9119 Lackland Road, Overland, Missouri 63114 for the purpose of reviewing and receiving comment with respect to the following matters. 2002 Woodson Road conditional use permit, private use garage auto repair facility. 1591 Fairview zoning amendment from PDC to M1 and 966 9606A Midland lot consolidation zoning amendment from C2 to PD mixed. All interested parties may attend and be heard at the public hearing. So, the first one is 2002 Woodson Road. Uh, again, this is for a conditional use permit. It's in the M1 or excuse me, in the C1 neighborhood commercial zoning district. The business name is The Goodness Garage. The proposed use is a private office and repair facility that is not open to the public or otherwise serving customers. The days and hours of operation are Monday through Saturday, 9:00 a.m. to 8:00 pm. Uh, overnight parking up to 16 vehicles with the appropriate VIN or other identification related to such vehicles shall be permitted on the property behind the fenced in or screened in area. Outdoor storage is prohibited and planning and zoning recommended approval of this request. That is location. And it's the it's the former Bill Yacht sign company uh location on what's in road

and that's the site plan photos. Okay. Any questions from the audience on this matter? Questions, comments from the board?

Okay. Uh so the next item is 1591 Fairview Avenue. Again, this is from AV Investors LLC. Uh it's a zoning map amendment. Uh the current zoning district is PDC. The proposed zoning district is M1. Um according to their letter of intent, um Aquavita Plumbing is has a subject property under contract. They intend to purchase the property as as an investment property. They plan to demise the property into two small office bases, warehouse bays, and at least the property to tenants that would fit into the M1 zoning district. Uh they also own and operate the um out of the building located at 10407 Trenton Avenue and planning and zoning has recommended approval of this request as well. So that is the property and the building itself. Okay. Any questions, comments from the audience on this matter? Questions, comments from the board? On to the third. And the last one is 9606 and 9606A Midland Boulevard. So this is uh again um this is from Ascend Property Development LLC. Their request is a lot consolidation and a zoning map amendment. So the current um zoning is C2 and what they're proposing is plan development mixed. So according to their letter of intent u they are real estate pursing and de and redevelopment firm. They purchase small housing, retail and multif family and restore for rental or resale. They intend to use this property for office base and take delivery and store materials used as part of their business. The hours of operation are Mondays Monday through Fridays 8:00 a.m. to 400 pm. They have two employees. It's uh owner operated. No uh current company vehicles for over uh to be stored overnight. no outside storage and no

sign permit at this time that may apply separately in the future. And I would note that bill 50-2025 includes a PUD for the site and planning and zoning recommended approval. And so this is the lot. Um so the dashed line is the essentially the existing two lots um and then you would have the single lot once it's consolidated. And there are two pieces of legislation for this. One is to consolidate the lots. The other is to resone. Questions, comments from the audience? Questions, comments from the board. All right. Close the public hearing. That's all I have for the public hearing. Thank you. All right. On to approval of the minutes for the meeting from September 22nd, 2005.

Motion to approve. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Minutes are approved. On to approval of the bills. Motion Second. [laughter] All those in favor? Any opposed? Bills are approved. Uh Melissa, your report, please.

MODOT will be hosting a public meeting upon um on upcoming improvement project for Route D, also known as Page Avenue um at the Overland Community Center on Thursday, November 13th. The openhouse style event will take place from 4 to 6 pm in classrooms one and two at the community center. MODOT will have project displays showing potential plans. Attendees may come and go at any time during that time period and they're encouraging feedback. Um it'll be great for the traffic and transportation committee to attend. Um, MODOT is asking um um they've asked for an opportunity to discuss with the city council um or present to the city council prior to that or um have invited you to come prior to the open house that starts um from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. Um that is on Wednesday, I'm sorry, Thursday, November 13th over at the community center. And then the American Red Cross is requesting a donation of use of classrooms one and two at the Overland Community Center for two dates for public blood drives for 5 hours each. The two dates are Tuesday, December 30th and Wednesday, February 25th.

Make that motion for the donation. Second. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? All right. Our space is donated. So, question about the mod. Will they present at the council meeting before that date? How are they going to address us? Um, they've asked they want to have individual conversations just show you some different plans. They want just have the opportunity to have a discussion with you to show you some different opportunity collectively. Sure. You want to do it at five o'clock as part of the transportation committee discussion? Yeah, let's do that.

Okay. I'll reach back out to them and see if they're available that evening. Perfect. Thank you. All right. Report of the city attorney. Joe, take it away, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have the following legislation to offer tonight. First is resolution 20255, notice of record scheduled for destruction. Motion to approve. Second. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next is resolution 202556 authorizing contract with KW fence company for the installation of fencing of for various city properties. Motion to approve. Second. All those in favor? I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. The next is resolution 20257 amending fiscal year 2025 2026 general fund budget related to the blue shield public safety grant. Motion to approve. Second. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. The next is resolution 202558 amending fiscal year 2025 2026 park fund budget related to the summer events program. Motion to motion to approve. I think we got it. All those in favor? Any opposed?

I was going to point at Rick, but he's not looking at me. Uh the next is resolution 202559 authorizing contract with IMED to provide employee group vision insurance coverage for the period commencing January 1, 2026 through December 31, 2029 stating the compensation compensation to be paid. Therefore motion to approve. Second. Author's in favor. Any opposed? Motion carries. The next is resolution 202560 authorizing contract with Indiana Printing and Publishing for the printing, preparation, and mailing of the 2026 city calendar. Motion to approve. Second.

All those in favor? Any opposed? I think calendars are delivered most of the time. It's the newsletters that we have some issues with. Oh, and we did What's the number of extras? Got a thousand extras. Yeah. So, was it 500 previous four and they were

they're out of here. So, yeah. So, they go quick. So, we have a thousand extras here. One for new residents when they sign up and we get your uh calendar and two for folks who didn't miss them. We'll have some extras just like we did last year. The next is resolution uh 202561 authorizing the city of Overland to enter into a memorandum of understanding with Roll Call Technologies LLC to provide administrative operational management services related to the secondary employment program of the Overland Police Department. Motion to approve. All those in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries.

On to the ordinances. This is first reading of bill number 45, 2025, an ordinance amending title 6, business and occupation by the repeal of chapter 610 peddlers and solicitors and the adoption of a new chapter 610 canvasers, peddlers and solicitors. Motion for second reading by second. Call that vote, please. Uh, Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski, yes. Councilman Furnus, yes. Councilwoman Steel, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman RJO, yes. Councilman Bernard. Councilman Bennett. Yes. Motion carries.

This is the second reading of bill number 45, 2025, an ordinance amending title 6, business and occupation by the repeal of chapter 610 pedallers and solicitors and the adoption of a new chapter 610 canvasers, peddlers, and solicitors. If passed, bill number 45, 2025 will become ordinance number 202543. Motion to approve. Second. Pull that vote, please. Uh, Councilwoman Reman, yes. Councilman Robleski. Yes. Councilman Furnus. Yes. Councilwoman Steel. Yes. Councilwoman Ferguson. Yes. Councilman Rjo. Yes. Councilman Bernard. Yes. Councilman Bennett. Yes.

Motion carries. This is the first reading of bill number 46, 2025. Norin is granting a conditional use permit to Todd Tobias to operate a private office and automotive repair facility at 2002 Woodson Road in the C1 neighborhood commercial zoning district as provided for in section 4220C in appendix A of the municipal code of the city of Overland. Motion for second reading by title only. Second. Call that vote, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robolki, yes. Councilman Feres, yes. Councilwoman Steel, yes. Councilman. Councilwoman Ferguson. Yes. Councilman Woman RJO. Yes. Councilman Bernard. Yes. Councilman Bennett. Yes.

Motion carries. This is the second reading of bill number 46, 2025, an ordinance granting a conditional use permit to Todd Tobias to operate a private office and automotive repair facility at 2002 Woodson Road in the C1 neighborhood commercial zoning district has provided for in section 400220C appendex A of the municipal code of the city of Overland. It passed bill number 46 2025 become ordinance number 202544. Motion to approve. Second. Second. Call pull that poke, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robilleski, yes. Councilman Furnus, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Counciloman RO, yes. Councilman Bernard, Councilman Bennett, yes.

Motion carries. This is the first reading of bill number 47 2025. An ordinance approving a resoning of 1591 Fairview Avenue from PDC Plan Development Commercial to M1 Manufacturing. Motion for second reading by title only. Second. Call that vote, please. Uh, Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski, yes. Councilman Feres, yes. Councilwoman Steel, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman RJO, yes. Councilman Bernard, yes. Councilman Bennett, yes.

Motion carries on to the second reading. This is second reading of bill number 472025. An ordinance approving a reszoning of 1591 Fairview Avenue from PDC Plan Development Commercial to M1 Manufacturing. If passed, bill number 47205 will become ordinance number 202545. Motion to approve. Second. And pull that vote, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Counciloman Roleski, yes. Councilman Furnuses, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman RJO, yes. Councilman Bernard, yes. Councilman Bennett, yes. Motion carries.

This is the first reading of bill number 48 2025. An ordinance of the city of Overland, Missouri, approving the lock consolidation plat for 9606 and 9606A Midland Boulevard located in the city of Overland, St. Louis County, Missouri, and directing that the same be recorded with the St. Louis County Recorder of Deeds. Motion. Second. Pull that vote. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robilleski, yes. Councilman Furnuses, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman Raho, yes. Councilman Bernard, yes. Councilman Bennett, yes. Motion carries on to the second reading.

This is second reading of bill number 48, 2025, an ordinance of the city of Overland, Missouri, approving the lot consolidation plat for 9606 and 9606A Midland Boulevard located in the city of Overland, St. Louis County, Missouri. directing that the same be recorded in St. Louis County Recorder of Deeds. If passed, bill number 48, 2022 will become ordinance number 202546. Motion to approve. Second. Call that vote, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski, yes. Counciloman Furnus, yes. Councilwoman Steel, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilomano, yes. Councilman Bernard, yes. Councilman Bennett, yes.

Motion carries. This is first reading of bill number 49, 2025, an ordinance approving a reszoning of 9606 Midland Boulevard from C2 General Commercial P to PD MXD Plan Development M. Motion for a second reading by title only. Second. Both have vote, please. Uh, Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Council Robleski, yes. Councilman Furnuses, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Counciloman RO, yes. Councilman Bernard. Yes. Councilman Bennett. Yes.

Motion carries. This the second reading of bill number 49205. An ordinance approving a reszoning of 9606 Midland Boulevard from C2 General Commercial to PDM MXD Plan Development Mixed. If passed, bill number 492025 will become ordinance number 202547. Motion to approve. Second. Call that f. Uh, Councilwoman Ruckman. Yes. Councilman Robleski. Yes. Uh, Councilman Furnus. Yes. Councilwoman Steel. Yes. Councilwoman Ferguson. Yes. Councilwoman Rjo. Yes. Councilman Bernard. Yes. Councilman Bennett. Yes. Motion carries.

This is the first reading of bill number 50, 2025, an ordinance authorizing the city of Overland, Missouri to enter into an OMCI intergovernmental agreement related to the storm water reimbursement program with the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District for storm water improvements at Brooks Park and Wildacres Park. Motion for a second reading by title only. Second. and pull that vote, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski, yes. Councilman Furnuses, yes. Councilwoman Steel, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman RJo, yes. Councilman Bernard, yes. Councilman Bennett, yes. Motion carries. On to the second reading.

This is second reading of bill number 50, 2025, an ordinance authorizing the city of Overland, Missouri to enter into an OMCI intergovernmental agreement related to the storm water reimbursement program with the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District for storm water improvements at Brooks Park and Wildacres Park. If pass bill number 50 2025 become ordinance number 202548. A question about this one. So in our packet Jason answer this for me. Um concrete bowl mentions concrete bowl replacement. Yes sir. Is that where um on Spencer where the storm water enters the storm water drainage that area correct around there. That area all around there. I wasn't sure that was called a concrete pole.

That's actually the technical I just saw that either. Um but yeah that that's all broken up and It's coming apart. So, we're going to take replace all that, place the fencing above it. Um, it'll go back as a bowl. Um, but yeah, we'll we'll replace all that. Does that have in that does it take care of any of the problems that Jess always has back there? Is that the whole drainage way or we just deal with It's just the bowl. Just the bowl. Okay. Start. Yeah. Because you have two different You have two different jurisdictions here. You have MSD which has the bowl. The rest of that is under [snorts] the Army Corps of Engineers. Got it. Um, so there's two different issues there. Thank you. Motion to approve.

Second. And pull that vote, please. Uh, Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski, yes. Councilman Furnus, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Council MJo, yes. Councilman Bernard, Councilman Bennett, yes. Motion carries. On to the last ordinance. This is first reading of bill number 512025. An ordinance by the city council of the city of Overland, St. Louis County, Missouri, adopting amendments to the city of Overland employee handbook adopted by ordinance 20039 approved February 10, 2003 related to outside secondary employment and residency pay. Motion for second reading by title only, please. Second. Call that vote, please. Councilman Ruckman, yes.

Councilman Robleski, yes. Councilman Furnis, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Councilwoman Mjo, yes. Counciloman Bernard, Councilman Bennett, yes. And motion carries on to the last second reading. This is second reading of bill number 51, 2025, an ordinance by the city council of the city of Overland, St. Louis County, Missouri. Adopting amendments to the city of Overland employee handbook adopted by ordinance 200309 approved February 10, 2003 related to outside secondary employment and residency pay. Passed bill number 512025 will become ordinance number 202549. Motion to approve. Second and pull that vote, please. Councilwoman Ruckman, yes. Councilman Robleski,

yes. Councilman Furnus, yes. Councilwoman Stable, yes. Councilwoman Ferguson, yes. Council Mahjo. Yes. Councilman Bernard. Councilman Bennett. Yes.

Motion carries. All right. Nice work everybody. Uh on to staff reports for this evening. Any additional comments from the market please [snorts] was here. Just want to let you know that the market closed on Saturday. We had a wonderful day. crowd we've had for the entire season. Totally booked. Vendors did a great job. Food went well. Um, just a couple of things we wanted to go over with you and everything. The market has a new phone. We have a new phone number. So, if you'd like to make note, that new number is 636 380 3568. We do still have six openings for next year. Everything else has already been booked by previous vendors and they all say they're going to be back. No problem. Everybody's been real happy with the market. We hope you all come out one day and maybe have breakfast with us, have a coffee with us because we have a lot of customers and everything and a lot of your constituents that come through that would voice things to us and other vendors and everything that maybe they'd like to sit and maybe have a cup of coffee with you. So, we've got some great events coming up for this next year that we already lined up and we hope you all come out and see us. Hope you have a great holiday season. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Crowder.

Since we met last, the Neighborhood Preservation Commission completed and mailed over 300 postcards complimenting residents on the ma the maintaining and beautifification of their property. We've been doing that for over 10 years. So that number of mailings certainly adds up. That's a lot of reaching out to people with positive news about their property maintenance. Again, since we met last, I believe the last time I was here, I talked about the results of the co-are pantry trivia. At that time, it was an estimate. This time it's the real thing. Right at $58,000. And that is absolutely amazing. and we just can't hardly get over that amount. Again, speaking of the pantry, on Saturday evening, December the 6th, we're going to do something again that has become a tradition. The St. Louis Civic Orchestra is going to put on one of their beautiful traditional holiday concerts in the auditorium at the high school. It's gotten to be even bigger this year because they're adding dancers. And because they're adding dancers, we had to ask Rittner for another night of rehearsal. So Dr. [snorts] Kilbride told me at the end of the concert last year, he sat by me and looked around where the people were sitting, even in the balcony. He said it was the biggest audience that had ever been in that room. That's really good for everybody because it's all based on a voluntary donation to the pantry. If you give that money on Saturday, we spend it on food Monday. I'd call that a direct charity. And we're not going to put you on a mailing mailing list or send a glossy mailing to your mailbox. Direct charity for people in the Rittner district. Thank you very

very much, Mayor Little and Council. Come to that concert if you can. Great. Thank you. And Chief, your report, please. Thank you. Uh we got the final numbers on our uh from our golf tournament. Uh we raised just under $7,000, which is about $1,000 more than last year. So that was a success. Also, I wanted to thank everyone that came out for National Night Out and our uh coffee in the cup. They were well attended and a lot of fun.

Good. Yeah, I like both of those things. All right. Uh nothing in the way of residents comments. Oh, Rick, please. Rick, you got cut off last time, too. Remember, we don't want you up here. [laughter] You said you were hiding from me. I didn't see you back there. I need a bigger sign. All right. Thank you. Thank you all for all the help for the summer events. We had a fantastic season. Looking forward to next year. Always already got things planning. We're going to have a list of bands that uh we're going to be going through. It's phenomenal. We're having a great time. Thank you all. Okay,

perfect. Thanks. Yeah, I'm always impressed with the attendance of those. We put those together for folks to show up and uh they've been doing it here for what, three, four years now. All right. Anybody else? Okay. Uh city council comments. Anybody have anything for us tonight? All right. I have a lot. So, um first, um I'm going to do a little survey here for the first time. So, we send out these newsletters. It takes a lot of staff time to coordinate all these dates that we include in those things. Uh get all those information. We do employee spotlights. All kind of stuff we've never done before. Um I know people aren't getting them all the time because I'm not getting them. Uh I think I've only received about three out of the 10 or so that we've sent out. Uh I've spoke with Mayor Schneider. He's missing some. So, if you're supposed to get those every three months, can I get a show of hands who you don't think you've gotten those? Every three months?

Not that many.

Okay, there we go. It looks like most of those are not being delivered. So, we're going to have to figure something out with getting those newsletters to folks because again, why go through all the effort if they're not getting delivered? And that was actually way more hands than I expected and it makes me even more upset. So, we're going to try to look for alternative ways of getting those to people's doors because we again every three months we've been doing this for three and a half years now and seems like uh it's a waste if we don't get those in those mailboxes. Um, second item here, uh, at the last OBA meeting, we had a somebody present on, uh, the writtener, I think it's called connect to work, some some term there where they have folks work part-time. uh we're going to try to interview somebody in November uh to have them work for the city. So, we've been trying different avenues of getting Rittner students involved with city hall and we're looking for some admin folks. So, we're going to see if we can get that working for next semester and we're going to work out the details of that here in the next couple weeks. So, hopefully we can find a good candidate there. Next topic. Um, Councilman Robleski and and Bennett and Mayor Schneider and I attended uh Municipal League last week and the presentation was on St. Louis County's uh plan for the county and I'm going to try to obtain the slides that were presented from that presentation and post them on my Facebook page because there's a lot of issues there that talk about um some of the issues that hit the St. Louis region as a whole and I think we share a lot of those with the county and if we can first observe the issues and then try to work them out. I think that's really our sole purpose of sitting here trying to figure out how to run a government and make folks lives better. So more to that when I make that post. Uh next topic here. Um Wild Acres is coming along. So it's actually kind of neat if you can go up there. you'll have to park near the old uh mansion and take

a look down and see what it looks like now because we're about dredged out about to the bottom of construction before we start building it back up. So, if you guys want to see a kind of middle of the road picture, now's the time to do it. It's actually kind of nice there with all the the fall leaves. Take some pictures and we're going to have an entirely new Wild Acres Park here in the coming months. Um, another item going down my list, um, Uh, I asked the same question a couple weeks ago. Question was, where does it get filled? So, we used to wait for it to naturally fill. Uh, they're probably have to pump a lot of water in it because that's a big old lake that got deeper here the past couple weeks. So, there's a spring there, but do you want to

Yeah, I think it'll be combination of natural fill spring and likely water from county. Yeah, they'll probably stock it in the spring. I mean, they'll probably want to wait. I mean, we'll leave that up to to D to Missouri Department of Conservation. They're the ones that do it. So, I don't know, you know, water temperature and sure they're stocking

all that kind of stuff. But they will be. No, we've um for the last couple years, we've essentially given our portion. We don't pay for it. It's it doesn't cost us anything. We've given our portion to St. An, but this year we'll we'll be getting it stocked. So there should be done the plan at this point is that they should be finished with essentially the construction work by the end of this year. They'll come back in the spring and do the vegetation and that kind of stuff, but the the lake itself should be fairly well completed by the end of 2025. Yeah. Um, next topic here, um, at 58,000 for the trivia night, I think is the record or close to it for them. That's huge for a trivia night at Staint Anne. Um, and just keep those folks in mind uh because there are some folks in the community with need uh who are going to have a hard time here in the coming weeks with the change to their government benefits. So, if you ever wanted to donate food uh to the pantry, now's the time to do it because they're going to be, I think, bombarded here in the coming weeks with with folks with some some need there. Um, on a personal note, thanks to the council and and staff for holding it down here while I was out quite a bit last month. So, as you know, I wasn't here at the meeting, but I think everything went smoothly and I read the minutes and so thank you guys for picking up the slack when I I couldn't be here. And finally, on an uplifting note, uh, best of luck to Mayor Schneider. He's taking off on the honor flight this Wednesday. So, [applause] so get your sleep tonight because your Wednesday starts at 2 am. Best of luck. And uh with that, we have three other topics we have to handle in work session. So, I will ask the council for a motion to adjourn into a work session.

Motion to adjourn into work session. Second. All those in favor? Any opposed? All right. We're going to go 6:40 here. We're going to go straight into the work session and try to handle all these items right away. Feel free to hang around. Feel free to take off.

Uh so, as the mayor mentioned, there are three items this evening. Um I would first of all like to I guess apologize. This is not typically how we do this, but with the lack of meeting earlier in the month. We have these on the planning and zoning agenda for tomorrow night. So, if we want to make any changes, we can and we will submit those to PNZ tomorrow night for their consideration for any of these items that we're going to talk about tonight. So, the first one is the PUD fees. Um, frankly, this one's pretty kind of straightforward. The current PUD fee is $150. Uh, we would like to include increase that to $1,000. Um, frankly, the reason is the the way they were doing these before was just more of kind of like a zoning designation as opposed to an actual plan. Um, so what we're doing now is more of a plan. We're essentially creating a an individual zoning district for these locations. Uh which incl which results in additional cost to the city in terms of legal fees and staff time and things of that nature. Um so we kind of looked at what our costs have been and said $1,000 is reasonable. Our costs are probably a little more than that uh some for some and there's probably a little less than that for others. Um but that's what we're asking for. There's really not much more to it. It is the this the last time the fee was in 2003 and again we're just looking at the cost of doing these. I mean that's

how does that compare like to other do you know I mean some other cities it's 750 we've seen I mean St. Louis County is 1 1500 um again we just kind of looked at what our costs were um as opposed to you know kind of what other people were doing. We did kind of look around, but um and these would largely be on commercial or manufacturing properties. There might be instances of big new residential or mixed use, but those would be pretty few and far between. So, this would land like a traditional reszoning like the resonings that we did tonight um wouldn't necessarily incur the same cost

in the long run too. would potentially end up saving the business money because they don't have to come back through planning and zoning constantly and everything back through council and yeah I mean if you have four businesses and you have to spend $300 get additional use permit every time that's 100 bucks that's a thousand and get your CP amended every time change tenants and Do you need a motion? [clears throat]

Yeah, if you're if you're fine with this, we can, you know, move forward with it. Again, I mean, this will there'll be another public hearing about this at the end of November, but wanted to make sure there were no issues with this issues, concerns, questions. I'll make a motion to approve. Second. All those in favor? any opposed. All right.

All right. Uh so the next one is uh fences and landscaping. So um there's some parts and pieces of this that are kind of existing, some are some changes, some are kind of well codifying what we're currently doing in terms of some of this stuff. So um in terms of definitions, we're adding some definitions. So, first we're changing the definition of fence. Um, so the one in red is the current definition. The one in black is just the proposed definition. Um, and then we've added some other terms. So, we've added fence permit. Um, fence sight proof um is staying the same. Sorry, I didn't change the color. Um, it does not change. It's staying exactly as it is. And then screen planting, screening, and sharpointed fence are all new definitions uh that we're adding into the the section uh 40060. So that's really it for definitions. Um in terms of um so we get the 400 360 uh fence permit required. So, um, we we we currently require a fence permit. Uh, we're just kind of laying it out there. For new fences, um, the application will require a stamped and sealed boundary survey. Um, indicating the location of the proposed fence. Uh, if you're replacing an existing fence or screen plantings, uh, it's not required. Um, but we do have the the director would have the discretion to require it should they, you know, feel it's necessary, should there be a question about the location of the fence or an argument about maybe where it is or if it's on someone else's property. Um, so that would be something we would add

in there. Um, for new fences versus existing fences, is there any issue with that? Would you like a motion for this as well?

No, I mean I'll just keep going. I just didn't want to. Um, so the next item is the fence permit. So currently, uh, in the legislation, we have it at 50. Um, the current permit fee is $15, which was established in around approximately 1992. Um, if you, you know, do like we did for the other fees, uh, that we previously talked about the inflation, it would be 34.45. Um, so I would ask that it be at a minimum 35. Um, again, just, you know, if you look at the inflation costs, um, as opposed to 15. Um, it's really up to you all how you want to handle that issue. Any thoughts?

I'm going to say raise it to 35. Keep with inflation not to otherwise.

Have a 35 and a 40. in the middle 3750. What's that? If they want to replace it, they have to pay 45. Well, no, they would because I mean you still have to get inspections and and all that stuff. I mean, so an existing

Yes. because you have to do I mean so if you're taking out the posts because there's two inspections there's the the pier inspection and then there's the final inspection so we need to make sure that it's being done you know it's it's and we'll get to that here in a minute about you know which side goes up and all that kind of stuff make sure it's not um taller than it's supposed to be the right material we've had people have said we're going to do X and then we go out there and they've done Y C A

well if we find them I mean still have to come and get a permit. I mean we you know like if the requirement is you get a permit to a fence you don't have one we can

35. All right. So, this is the material. Um, so a lot some of this stuff was in here. Some of it wasn't like vinyl, but we've allowed vinyl fencing. So, we really just kind of cleaned up that whole issue. So they can be um composed of of decorative masonry, brick, stone, textured or pigmented concrete, planed wood, vinyl, chain link, rod, iron or steel. Um we've always prohibited cloth, canvas, chicken wire, other you know those kinds of uh impertinent uh materials. And then we've also added in about screen plantings um because we do have some of this in the commercial area and we do have some of this not as much but in the residential area. So, we've tried to establish kind of what the the standards are um for screen plantings as opposed to somebody putting up a fence. Um so, that's that's what that second section is. We've uh prohibited uh sharp pointed fences uh and stockade fences uh in all zoning districts. So the manner of con uh so uh all fenc will be constructed so horizontal and vertical supports are hidden from both the neighbor and this is all in there already the general public's view is determined by the director. So essentially what you want is the kind of the clean side out. Um, electrical fences are prohibited uh with the exception of battery charged fences and those fences buried underground or invisible fences to the extent permitted by 67.301. Oddly enough, there is a statute that's recent in the past couple years that

does allow for certain electrical fences. Um so not sure why but there and then um and then no fence or screen shall impede or divert the flow of water through any property. Um so that's that's something we've added in there. Um so uh all fences here and after erected in the city shall be erected. So the rough side or the construction material shall be used on the property facing side i.e. the rough side should be so that inhabitants or users of the property upon which the fence is erected shall see the rough side uh and the inhabitants or user the adjoining lot shall see the more attractive or finished side. U this is something that's fairly common in most zoning codes. It's something that we we ask now but u we want to add it into the code. Um, so new fence installation still not shall not abut an existing fence. So you can't put the fence right up against the other fence. Um, you can talk to your neighbor and have them take it down, but otherwise you need to leave a two-ft uh gap between the fences and a way to access that area for maintenance. Uh, we ask people to do that now. Uh, most people do it. it's not an issue. But because again, what we end up with is these fences that are, you know, 12, 18 inches apart. Weeds and everything grow up, they don't maintain it, it becomes a maintenance problem, and then everybody like points the finger at the other person. So, we would incorporate that into the code. Um, so in terms of fencing and locations, uh, obviously we don't allow fences currently in the front yard. Um, we do allow under this provision, we would allow a decorative fence. Um, no

higher than 18 inches above grade. Um, and no closer than two foot from the property line. Uh, screen plantings may be located within a front yard, but um, no higher than four feet above grade uh, and no closer than 10 feet to any public roadway or sidewalk. So, we do have a couple of properties in town that they have like screening or or plantings or whatever and they run them like all the way up to the street under the nuisance code. We make people like cut them back. It's the same. And so, we've matched that section of the nuisance code with this. Homes that already have the fences around the whole entire house are already Yeah. Like, so we're not I mean, we're not they're I'm sorry. Go ahead.

If they're lawful if they were lawfully Yeah. Uh, and that's the other reason like we require that everyone to get a permit so that we know like what fences we have and what what was allowed. Um, because if it's lawful, we're saying it was lawfully installed, we have to know that it was lawfully installed. Um, so in the rear yard

to make sure that we're clear on what screen plantings are as well. It's like a hedro, so something that's supposed to actually block. So this isn't going to make you cut down trees in your front yard or something. We've essentially structured this as if you're designing it as a screen or to keep people from viewing into your property or or kind of accessing your property, that's screen planting. The rest is just like obviously if you have decorative shrubs or bushes and stuff that wouldn't fall under this. So, we're not going to tell everybody to axe all the vegetation in the front of their yards, right? And so actually like with screening a method of visually shielding or obscuring a budding or nearby structure use uh by any means or from another by BMS or densely planted vegetation. So we've tried to define this so that we don't have somebody who you know let's say they have a hedge row just because it's there doesn't mean that they have to cut it down. So it's that's not the purpose of this. Again, a lot of this we use now. We just want to get it into the code and and since we were fixing this stuff, we just wanted to do that. Um, so in the rear yard, again, this is um this is there's no change in terms of of the rear yards. Um, we've added the screen plantings where they can be constructed to um and again up to the the leaving the twoft section there between the the fences. Um sideyards, same same issue. Um corner and through lots. We've tried to clarify the issues with corners and corner and through lots um about where fences can be uh and cannot be. Um so we did modify this. Um we used to have it from the street like we had I think it was 10 foot from the street. We've moved it to five foot from

the property line. um because not every street is exactly the same. Um sometimes they were closer than you know we would prefer. So that's why we get we moved it around. So this is we kind of use this internally and I thought it would be helpful to everybody to kind of get an idea if you're on a on a corner lot. So on the left side you have the public street where you can put the fence. Um, if you're putting up like a standard like privacy fence, something like that, 4 foot or higher. So, that's a that's a corner lot. That's a through lot. Um, which means you got basically streets on both sides of the property or three sides of the property. And then that's a what they call an interior lot. So, that's just kind of a diagram to show kind of what those look like. Uh and then in terms of height um again we've you know the heights maintained at six feet um up to six feet uh in commercial areas um but 4 foot in residential tennis courts remains the same pool fences around pools um uh screen plantings six uh for special fences. Um currently fences that are in the the planned development areas go to planning and zoning. Everything else goes to the board of adjustment. We've modified that to send um for the lack of a better designation, commercial and industrial areas and planned developments would all go to planning and zoning. all residential would go to board of adjustment. It just made more sense if planning and zoning is doing, you know,

a a site plan review or whatever for them to review the fencing as opposed to sending that to the board of adjustment. Um so that's why we we modified that section. Um we included provisions regarding maintenance um and the screen plantings. And then this is kind of the section the provision of the section apply to all fences unless otherwise specified herein uh the corresponding zoning district regulations performance standards. And then we get to section uh 4360K. Fences legally installed prior to the adoption of the section and not in conformity with this section are hereby declared to be legal non-conforming accessory structures and uses. Um however they have to be kept in good repair structurally sound. They should not be allowed to deteriorate. So that essentially, you know, takes any fence that's not in compliance with this and makes it um conforming. And then if the fence is damaged more than 50% or deteriorated more than 50%, the new fence would have to comply with the current code. Um and then we've we've modified the the screening the in section 400450 screening and landscaping. Um we've tried to tile that back together. um with the other sections and also that's can be found in the nuisance code as well. So this is really just trying to clean up a bunch of stuff related to fencing. There's not a lot of major changes to it. Obviously permit fee, but the other stuff is a lot of it's just kind of cleaning up stuff. So any questions about those? So the next and final item is just is solar panels. Um, kind of what started this is we had a a lot a couple of meetings ago that we consolidated was kind of a te lot. It was kind of an odd shaped lot. Um, and they consolidated that lot and they wanted to put solar panels on it. We looked at the code. We

realized that we didn't really have anything in here that addressed it. We looked at assess using accessory structures uh for that purpose. Um, and those provisions require in some cases an accessory structure to be 25 feet from the rear property line. We're like, well, that doesn't really work. You don't necessarily want these in the middle of the yard. So, we I think this, you know, looked at what other cities have done and came up with this. So, this would apply to ground mounted solar panels as well as roof mounted. Um, so, you know, kind of long story short, they will require a permit. Uh if you're putting them on the roof, you have to give us an engineer's plan that says, "Yeah, this the house can hold it. It's structurally sound." Um all of that. Uh if it's on the ground, um we've established some some guidelines for for where they can be located. Um

how tall they can be,

how tall they can be. So, I'm trying to find that for for the ground mounted um let's see. They they can only be located in the rear um portion of the lot. Uh if they're on a corner lot, they must be located in the rear of the lot on the interior side in accordance with 400 320. Um they can't be more than 70 feet in height. Um they can't be closer than 5 foot to the uh property line. we changed. Um, also there's a a restriction on like glare. Um, so we want to make sure that those are that are on the ground aren't angled in such a way that they put a glare out onto the street uh that would affect drivers. As Joe mentioned, apparently there's one somewhere around not in Overland I don't think, but around here where it it

on certain days if you drive by it's kind of blinding. So that's really what the solar panel issue is uh all about.

Is that it for solar panels? That is it for solar panels unless there's

Yes. Okay. But not um No, I think they probably will have to do that as well. I mean, I don't I don't know that there's We haven't indicated they shouldn't they wouldn't have to on the on the on the roof. The the issue that we've run into with that and I think we've also talked to the county like they don't nobody goes up on the roof.

Uh the county doesn't, we don't, the fire district doesn't. That's why we require them to provide engineered drawings and certify that it's been stalled per those drawings. Um if it's not, it's on them, not us. But we did talk to the county. They don't go up and they don't climb on roofs and check those or so. There are two provisions. Uh under permit required uh sub four, nothing in the section relieves applicants from applying [clears throat] and retaining, pardon, obtaining uh any other required local, state, or federal. So if there were mechanical or electrical from uh community fire, they would have to do that. And then there is a safety disconnect requirement um that they have to essentially consult with community fire for how that safety disconnect works because um we don't really deal with that issue. But I I know um at least with solar panels that can be kind of the big point of

contention. I just wasn't clear on that. Yeah. All solar energy systems. And if there aren't any like electrical components involved in this, they would have to get a permit from St. Louis County for the electrical side of it. Um, so I mean I assume that that's all I mean while it's, you know, off the grid, it's still connected to your house, so I'll have to have the permit from the county that Okay, I got a quick question here. Groundmounted solar energy systems must be substantially screened from public view.

So who's going to be the judge of that? What what substantially screened is? Uh that would be the determination of the director. Usually that's going to be something like a like a fence or like a screen planting. So if you're putting this by like you know hedro or something, we just don't want to be able to where we could be on the street and see all these things uh necessarily easily. My only concern is I don't want to I want to make it as easy as possible for people solar panels. You know, I think in the future it's gonna you can you can see them more and more around town. Yeah.

Like to make this as easy as possible. I also think that no more than 30% of the rear area of the yard. A little iffy on that 30%. Those are certainly things that we can take to PNZ tomorrow as well and kind of flush out a few options. I think the concern was we if there were so I guess I'd say like this I'm usually very in favor of solar panels, but I know it drives some people up a roof when they're like, "It's a solar farm in my neighbor's backyard." So, it's trying to find that balance. It's like chickens.

It's like chickens. It's like any of these where it's like, "Well, do I think they need to be screened personally, not especially, but some people get really hot on the collar." So, it's like, how do we find that medium? If you could make an emphasis on those two things with see what the board thinks. I'd appreciate that procedure for these is approval tomorrow to recommend us for Yeah, this would come back to you at the November 24th meeting.

So, we just wanted to make sure that I mean, you know, if we'd had us another meeting in October, we'd have had this already and but since it's on the October agenda, we're trying to get this done. If there were any issues that we wanted to take to them tomorrow night, we could easily do that. Obviously, we'll do that with the fees and anything else. Uh but then on November the 24th will be another there'll be the actual public hearing for this in front of

Okay. And we will have a work session at the next meeting. We're trying not trying not to have something too extensive the week of Thanksgiving. We do have the meeting, but we're going to try not to keep everybody here till 9 o'clock, but you can plan. And I will um I will be sending out probably hopefully later this week the item for the work session uh at the next meeting um for you all to review. It's about um dangerous animals and animal registration. So we've drafted the legislation um but I want you all to have a chance to look at it before the meeting. Um and there'll be a couple of questions that have come up that we want you guys to think about before we get to that meeting.

Yeah. And that's what uh Neighborhood Watch's presentation is also. So I'll take that to them or anybody else wants to be there with me or volunteer. What's that? Yeah.

Okay, that's everything. This was an efficient meeting for all the stuff that was on the agenda. Go for it. A motion to second. All those in favor? Any opposed? All right. Nice work.