Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Yes.

Thank you. And with that, we will call the meeting to order at 9.04 a.m. And if you don't mind, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge of Allegiance.

All right. Thank you. And with that, we will open up with a consideration of the January 20, 2026 minutes and entertain any motion to waive the reading.

I'll move that we waive the reading of the minutes and approve.

Thank you.

Motion and a second.

All those in favor, please unmute your mic and say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Pass unanimously.

Board Member Bastian.

All right, if the MPB is not adjourned for the day or voted to take an earlier lunch break, the board will complete the agenda item being reviewed as of 1230 p.m. and will pause for a half hour lunch break at the conclusion of that item. In accordance with section 286.0114 of the Florida statutes, any member of the public can be heard on any matter before the board today. If the item is listed on the consent agenda, you may ask that the item be pulled and placed on the regular agenda. You may then speak on the item when discussed on the regular agenda. You may complete a speaker request form in advance of the meeting on orlando.gov forward slash public comments or fill out a speaker request form and hand it to the board secretary. Please note participation must be in person. Virtual participation will no longer be accepted. And another reminder, if anyone has shown up after we've started here, if you'd like to speak, our board secretary has forms and you can fill them out to speak. And with that, we will go over the consent agenda with Mr. Burton.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have three items on the consent agenda today. One of them will be pulled, the last one, Rose Arts Phase 2 for a regular agenda item. We have speaker request cards on that, but I will read the consent agenda. The first item on the consent agenda is the principal use EV parking project. Applicant is Jacob Bubb of Kimley Horn. Owner is JBL Gateway Parcel ELLC. Location is 7855 North Frontage Road, District 2, Project Planner Jim Burnett. This is a conditional use permit filed under CUP 2025-126. It's a conditional use permit for an electric vehicle recharge parking lot. Recommended action is approval of the request subject to conditions in the staff report. Next one item is Starward GMP Amendment, applicant is City of Orlando, owner is Carlsbad, Orlando, LLC. Location is 13131 Wee Wahoodie Road, north of Wee Wahoodie Road, east of 417, south of State Road 528, District 1, project planner is Yolanda Ortiz. Ortiz, this is filed under GMP 2025-118. This is a change to future land use designation from office low intensity to conserve within the Starwood plan development. This is an indefinite deferral, so we'll be coming off the agenda after today's meeting. The last item is the Rose Arts Phase 2, which will go to the regular agenda, and we'll get into that later on. I'd just like to note that there's an addendum filed on that particular project, along with additional staff report. And then, of course, on regular agenda, which we'll get into shortly, is also 1600 Aaron Avenue, and we'll take those in order, as mentioned.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, and we will consider the consent agenda. Any conflicts to declare?

I have one on item number one, principal UCV parking.

All right, and we'll entertain a motion for approval of the consent agenda. We have just item number one, and then a reminder that number three is deferred, and four and five are on the regular agenda.

I'll make a motion.

All right, we have a motion from Board Member Bastian.

I'll second.

Second from Board Member Reid. All those in favor, please unmute your mic and say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. And with that, we will continue on to our first item, Rose Arts Phase 2.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is Rozov's Phase 2. The applicant is Andrew McCowan, owner is Lake Orlando landowner LLC. The location is 4224 Clubhouse Road, north of Gullside Drive, southeast of Lake Orlando, west of Villa Rose Lane on 10.9 acres, District 3. The project planner is Jim Burnett. This is filed under MPL 2025-165. This is a master plan for 2,500 dwelling units in five multifamily buildings with attached parking garages. and 79,600 to 100,000 square feet of non-residential uses. The recommended action is approval of requests subject to the conditions of the staff report. And Jim Burnett will go over the details with you. Thank you.

For the record, Jim Burnett, Planner 3. This is MPL 2025-10065, Rose Arts Phase 2. It's a specific parcel master plan plan. The property is generally located south of Lake Breeze Drive along into the end of Clubhouse Road and extending to the southwest to South Lake Orlando Parkway, all west of North John Young Parkway, 54 acres more or less, PDW zoned. So this is a specific parcel master plan approval to allow for up to 2,500 additional residential units and up to 100,000 square feet of additional non-residential space in five multi-use buildings with attached parking garages, all oriented along the shores of Lake Orlando and the extension of Rose Arts Boulevard. Phase 2 SPMP is submittal as a follow-up to the previously approved 2021 Rose Arts PD and Phase 1 SPMP. Future land use and zoning maps highlighted in a light pink or lilac or whatever you want to call that. And an aerial photo of the property. So here again, the light shading is phase two. And then you can see phase three, which is not part of this application, but you see where phase three will be.

Yeah.

And here's an illustrative site plan that shows what's proposed. So you have building F, then you have building H, I, J, and K. Here's Lake Orlando. And this features, you already have a roundabout proposed at Lake Breeze. And, um, and then there's another, this Rose arts Boulevard will be extended, uh, as your spine road all the way down to say South Lake Orlando Parkway, where it'll terminate there. Okay, we got a lot of renderings and elevations. So building H is a corner building on Rose Arts with building I to the north. And here's another view over here. So we have building We have building F on the south side of Rosards Boulevard. Excuse me, I think that's H. It should be H. Building F on the left, building H with Rosards down the middle. Here's buildings K and J along Rosards Boulevard as you get towards the south end of the development. Another view of F, H, with Rose Arts in the middle. And then a view of what the buildings will look like as they face Lake Orlando Parkway, or Lake Orlando, excuse me. Here are some cross sections. These are just to show you as you go from either east to west or west to east or what the cross sections with Lake Orlando on one side, and other development to the right on all three of these. And then here's our actual elevation. So you've got building F and the elevations for that. And you got building H, building I, building J, Building K. And then here's the pretty building landscape plans that go from Lake Breeze Drive down Rose Arts Boulevard. And then you pick up, see Clubhouse Road coming in at the northeast corner. So you got Building I, Building H, You have building F on the south side of Rose Arts. Then you got a little park feature. Then you have building J and building K. And then Rose Arts keeps on going south to intersect with South Lake Orlando Parkway. Our findings, we find that the proposed SPMP is consistent with the growth management plan. consistent with the city's land development code. It's also consistent with the default AC2W zoning district. Public facilities and services are adequate to serve the site or are being extended to serve the site. And our recommendation is for approval of the phase two SPMP subject to conditions of the staff report. And we do have a few of those conditions listed on the PowerPoint. But if you have any questions, there was an addendum that we distributed this morning, and that was just a clarification of some of the transportation items that were brought up after the report went live last week. Any questions?

Board Member Hall?

Yes, I live on Lake Silver, which is spring fed and drains into a cell. like Fairview and then Lake Orlando and becomes the Little Valkyra River. And this, I'm just concerned that this intense development does not take into the fact that you are on the banks of the Little Valkyra River there. Tell me about the stormwater attenuation and stormwater purification requirements in the plan development as we are to approve.

It's in the Wekiva overlay district, so it has to meet all of our Wekiva rules. I don't have specifics on the stormwater details. A lot of times that comes along as part of the final site plan determination that follows approval of the SPMP. So I don't have an answer.

I'd like to hear an answer to that question. How are we handling stormwater attenuation and quality of the water to be discharged into the Little Oak Hiver River?

If you'd like, we can, once we get through staff questions, we can ask the applicant questions on that. Any additional questions for staff before we do that? All right. Seeing none. Thank you.

Good morning. My name is Becky Wilson, 215 North Eola Drive, here on behalf of the applicant. And just as a reminder, and Commissioner Hall, I'll get to your question. Just as a reminder, we're not requesting any changes to the PD. The PD has already been approved. What we're asking for is Phase 2 SPMP. which is in compliance with that already approved PD and GMP. We're not asking for any waivers to the PD. And I also want to highlight that this is one of the city's really first inclusionary zoning projects. We have 10% affordable housing at a 60% rate scattered throughout these buildings. So I just wanted to say that as a reminder. With regard to the Wekiva study area, I can turn your attention to page six of the staff report. The phase two SPMP would require 10.8 acres of Wekiva open space, and instead we're providing 21.4 acres of open space, so almost double Wekiva. what is required under wekiva rules um amy shields is with us she is our engineer from gai and they are having to um not only do we have the open space which is required as part of the wekiva but we also have the higher standards for treatment and attenuation of the water before it makes its way into the lake and as a reminder that will be an improvement to what's going on right now, because for decades, this was a golf course without those higher WCAG standards for treatment before the golf course. water you know ran over the course and and and into the um into the lakes with that i'm happy to answer any questions that you all may have for the applicant and chair if i just have the opportunity to address any concerns we may hear from the neighbors sure absolutely any questions for the applicant at this time i think with that we'll move the public comment thank you

our speaker is vicki vargo good morning vicki vargo i'm president of the representing rosemont preserve inc and the address is 3800 winged foot court orlando florida 32808 so i'm here today to ask for a continuance of this particular project. And here's the following reasons. Number one, the very first proposal required a mandatory agreement with LINCS for mass transit and neighborhood LINCS because of the density of this project. So I notice there's nothing about working with LINCS, having any type of transit system with LINCS, and that is in contrary to what was required in the past. number two parks city policy requires that anything on a lake there is a road in between the lake the lake the road the project this project doesn't have it baldwin park has it every place else has it you come to an enterprise zone in a black neighborhood and you throw it out the window. We want a multipurpose trail along Lake Orlando and the homes abutting the south part of Lake Orlando, which is basically where the old golf cart was. We're supposed to have connectivity so that people don't have to drive their cars to this shopping, and that's not in the plan. Wastewater. List station number 85 right by my house absolutely does not have capacity. So it says may not, it absolutely cannot. And they keep putting it off, as you can see, where the wastewater division keeps encouraging them to come in. They don't come in. Also, please require the developer to donate the golf course maintenance shop land, which is directly adjacent to the left station number 85 to move the left station further from the homes, because right now it is directly behind the homes. Stormwater. So the area between the buildings and the homes that are above the lakes are going to be swales. This is a serious floodplain. I've lived there 30 years, and it has flooded over with hurricanes more than once. Not soggy. We're talking lots of water. So Kathy Leo told me at the open house that behind the home there's just going to be swales, just large, ugly, dry, basically retention ponds, and that there's no landscaping really proposed between the homes and the buildings in their swales. So we're looking, and they're taking down... of hundreds of cypress trees. So it's going to be really unattractive. So we need to have augmented landscaping between the homes and the buildings, not just have them on the front. Also, please note in the appeal that we had for the first go around that people talked about tiger dams

You may have 30 seconds to wrap, if you mind.

Okay. Tiger dams, the buildings are going to be five feet off the ground to begin with because of flooding concerns. So please continue this matter to a later date so that we can work out some of these concerns. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

The next speaker is Richard Stiskin.

Good morning. I live at 3865 North Lake Orlando Parkway in Orlando 32808. I've lived there, you know, for many years. And I don't know if everybody knows, but St. John's Authority has not allowed the building to be started on the golf course. Hasn't approved it yet because of flooding. It's amazing that all this has gone on for phase one, two, three, whatever it might be. It's not approved to build yet. And You have to live there to know that. And the golf course has flooded. Everybody knows for years when people played golf and they had to wait two or three days after a good rain to even play golf. If this does happen on Rosamond, which is a place where in the last year or two, the city has put a traffic light up, it backs up eight or 10 cars every time the light turns red. The main exit for this growth that's going to happen is going to be on Rosamond. So now it will back up maybe 30 or 40, 50 cars so people won't go through the traffic light. They did not come up with an idea where all these cars are going to exit. Yes, a couple of the roads, but South Lake Orlando Parkway or other roads, arts, whatever, will not tolerate the amount of traffic that's going to happen. The traffic packs up now. In front of my house, they go 40, 50, 60 miles an hour. So where are all these cars going to go from the growth? Yes, there's going to be something that's going to happen in my backyard, which was the old 14th T. But the planning is very poor. The cars can't exit correctly. The place is going to flood. It floods now. It flooded recently in the last couple of years when we had a bad rainstorm. So I do not know how all this stuff was approved. And again, St. John does not allow anything to be built on the golf course right now. Thank you.

Thank you.

The next speaker is Charlotte Kendall.

Good morning. I live in Rosemont. I've lived there for 25 years. Love it.

If you don't mind, could you state your address and name?

Sorry. My name is Charlotte Kendall, 4566 North Lake Orlando Parkway, 32808. I've lived in Rosemont for 25 years. It's a beautiful neighborhood, a quiet, safe, friendly neighborhood. we have streets winding a winding road around the lake that has one lane each way 25 miles an hour speed limit it already gets backed up you you heard what um vicky had to say uh this morning When I sat down to breakfast, there were, in the little piece of lake shore that's in front of my kitchen window, an anhinga, two wood storks, an egret, a little blue heron, and a limkin. Now, limkins are endangered. Threatened, excuse me. Limkins are threatened. And several years ago, when when Rose Arch was attempting to build this monstrosity, they destroyed a Lincoln colony because I had come here to testify that these birds were threatened and that they couldn't build their buildings where they wanted to. I saw in the dark two Zodiac boats with men in them and big flashlights two nights in a row across the lake where the Lincoln colony was. And then I started to notice that I didn't hear any Limpkins. And if you know Limpkins, they're noisy. They were gone and they stayed gone for a long time. Now there is again a small colony and it'll take many years to build up to what it was. The area floods where they're going to build. Floods like any in floods. It doesn't have to be a hundred year storm. It floods. And. That obviously is not going to be a good situation for people with their cars parked at ground level and the road in front of them flooded, so they can't even get out if they wanted to. I don't know what else to tell you. It's a disaster. We dread it coming in, and I certainly hope that you will take these remarks into consideration. I mean, we have enough development in Orlando. This little gem doesn't need to be developed.

Thank you.

No other speaker requests.

Right. Thank you. The applicant like to respond to this now.

Thank you. I have a presentation I just want to go through on traffic, but we do not agree to a continuance. The PD required a transit agreement be approved between the city and my client simultaneously with city council approval of this SPMP. We are not required to work with links because we're required as the owner and operator to fund the transit ourselves. So we've actually been working with an independent provider that is used in Tavistock for the transit. The city has our agreement and we are working through comments on that. We love you guys, but I'm not really sure it's the purview of you all to negotiate the transit agreement. With regard to parks, this is the first any of us are learning that there is a requirement to be a road between a building and any park in the city. When you look at our plans, and I'll show you, we do have a multi-purpose trail that goes around the lake and connects to other parts of the community. Let me see. Well, you know, this is important. So for those of you all who are maybe a little bit newer to the board, we actually began this journey in really late 2019, 2020. We had a lot of our hearings during COVID and through several appeals by the neighborhood, The city council and eventually also a hearing officer upheld these entitlements in 2022. It is not a true statement that the Water Management District has denied any permits. In fact, the true statement is that we have been working with both the Water Management District and and with FEMA to make sure we have all of the appropriate permits in place before we turn any dirt. No construction has occurred, no trees have been taken down, no Limpkins have been killed related to this project. We held a... We submitted our Phase 2 SPMP. As mentioned, we did hold a community meeting really to bring the neighbors up to date on where we were. Although we're not asking for any changes to this PD, we thought that that was important because we are going to be neighbors in Rosemont. And in fact... We'd love to have you all out sometime. It wasn't appropriate to have you before this meeting, but we have had a model built of the entire community, and it's really cool to see and to see how it relates to the lake. With regard to wastewater capacity, we are dedicating land in order for the city to expand the lift station that was mentioned by Ms. Fargo. And we have been actively working on that dedication. I just wanted to show you a little bit on the traffic. So I'll skip to those since I thought that may be something you all are interested in. And Jim did such a good job with his presentation. You've seen a lot of these slides. But I just wanted to help you, well, first visualize this. So there was a reference to Baldwin Park. That's exactly what we modeled this off of, right? So there at Baldwin Park, you have the retail on either side, you have the apartments, and then you have public open space down to the lakefront park. We have that. And instead of putting cars on the lake, we have that area set aside for pedestrians and bicyclists. we can go through some of the parks and open space that we have been very thoughtful about the location of the parks, which are privately owned and maintained, but open to the public. And that's required as you'll see in some of the staff conditions that we show these on our plat as dedicated for public use. Let's see. Sorry guys, this is just going a little slow. All right, transportation. So as you see, number one, they're at Rosemond and OBT intersection. And then if you look in your staff report, I believe it is under transportation number nine. Let's see. So we are, I'm sorry, it's So we are required, and it was also part of the addendum, that prior to the first CO for the third building, we're required to make the improvements that are shown as necessary. as number one up there. So there is a left turn in and then an additional left turn out. And we also have Stephanie Shealy with us that can address any particular questions that you all may have about transportation. And then at Lake Breeze Drive and John Young Parkway intersection improvements, you see that out as the circle number two. We are working with the FDOT. It may be a signal or some other way to control that weave situation that's there. Then number three is we are building that roundabout. Remember, we're building all new internal roads. And so we're building a roundabout. And with phase two, we need an additional lane there. in that roundabout and then one of the overall requirements is to work with the fdot on signal timing along obt so we have we've already started our work with the fdot related to phase one and we're continuing those conversations with them as it comes as it comes to these improvements for for phase two i'm happy to answer any questions that that you all had um related to any concerns brought up by the community but we're we're ready to move forward ahead today all right thank you very much does the board have any questions for the appling at this time please use the request function on your screen uh board member hall

With regard to signal timing along Orange Blossom Trail, have you considered the use of ITS, intelligent traffic signals, that will give the speeder a red light and prioritize buses, unless there's a white cane in the intersection, in which case the white cane takes priority. Those are becoming more and more common in places like Austin and elsewhere, and I think it would be a really good demonstration project for Orlando to look into intelligent transportation signals.

As usual, you are way ahead of me on these types of things. So let me invite Stephanie up to answer that question.

Good morning. Stephanie Shealy, Kittleson & Associates, 225 East Robinson Street. So as part of this, when we're looking at signal timing, this condition is really not just for our access, but along a larger corridor. So it is open to ITS and other improvements, but they have not been defined as part of this. And it would be up to FDOT as that is their corridor and their signals.

Ms. Kendrick-Schrader.

Yeah, I just had one question for the applicant, and then I had a question for staff. What's the status of construction of phase one of this project?

So we're waiting to get our final water management district and FEMA permits, but we're in for building permits.

Okay, so in for building permits on phase one. And what was phase one, 1,500 units?

I think it was here. Let me pull it up so that I'm not... incorrect, but yes, somewhere in there. 1,600. Okay.

And then I just had a question for staff on the wastewater treatment. With 1,600 plus 2,500 units coming in, what are the arrangements being made so all these people can flush their toilets?

I'd like to hear what's the timing, what's the... I don't know if that's the GEMS department, but we can have Amy Shields from GAI, who's our engineer that's been working with David Breitrich on that.

That would be great. I mean, I'd like to hear from staff what the infrastructure plans are for the area and the timing, because it sounds like it's going to be ready when the units come online. But I'd like to have staff tell me that that's the case. But go ahead.

Sure. Amy Shields with GAI. We're at 618 East South Street in Orlando. For the wastewater treatment for phase one, there will be a new public lift station constructed concurrent with all the infrastructure. So that'll be going on. So that'll be ready for that. In the meantime, the city... I'm sorry, can I interrupt?

So the lift station will accommodate whatever the needs of phase one are and that that's planned to occur concurrently right now.

Yep, correct. So that'll handle phase one. Phase two is just upstream of Lift Station 85. The city right now is at about, I think they're at 100% plans for the upgrades for Lift Station 85. And as part of that, this developer is going to provide some additional lands for that expansion. So that's going on with the planning right now. um and then that upgrade again will be done by the city it was informed by this design team did a infrastructure master plan that identified the demands for this development and it includes the projected flows so that upgrade that the city is doing is in conjunction with this development okay

Because I thought I saw something in the staff report where it said staff has asked you guys to come in to meet with them to update your plan. I just want to make sure that's going to happen.

Yep. And we did. We submitted an update as their request in January of this year addressing those concerns. So it may not have made it into this staff report. Oh, good. Good. That's good to know because it looked like it was still something they were trying to get you guys to talk to them about. No, that's been done.

Okay. Thank you very much. That's all I had.

Thank you. And board member Bastian.

Good morning. I'm going to apologize in advance because I was not here when the PUD was discussed. So can you clarify to us this 2,500 units and the 100,000, they're already part of the PUD. So it's just a phasing issue.

Correct. So our PD was set up to give entitlements over the entire property, and it was divided into three different phases. And then there were different milestones that we had to meet with each phase, and also have our site. So you're not changing the beauty, you're just phasing.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks.

Any additional questions from the board to the applicant? Seeing none, we will close the public hearing and bring this back to the board for discussion. All right. Any discussion about this with the board? And will we entertain a motion?

I'll pose a motion.

I'll second.

That's a motion for approval.

Oh, yes. I'm sorry.

Yes. We have a second. We'll remember Reed. All those in favor, please unmute your mic and say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Pass unanimously. Thank you.

under the next item mr chair um this is the next item on the regular agenda and the last item is 1600 aaron avenue the applicant is jose vengas i'm the owner's florida conference of association of seventh day adventist location is 1600 aaron avenue district six the project planner is didro ogre for the gmp amendment and jim burnett for the planned development rezoning the first item a is filed under gmp 2025 117 this is change of the future land use designation from pri public recreational institutional to residential low and the accompanying planned development rezoning request filed under zio n 2025 110 this is a plan developed rezoning to convert the former quest site into community assembly public use recommended action is approval of the request subject to the conditions of the staff report. There's also an addendum that was provided also to you and Mr. Burnett will go over the aspects, I believe, of the planned development zoning.

No, that was her. She just pulled out. Hold on. That's about eight, I believe. It's those two. You tried to... Move it here. Yeah. Did she take care of this? There. There you go. Yeah. We're looking forward. Church. 16 under there. Top one. Yeah.

There you go.

The record once again, Jim Burnett, Planner 3. This is the 1600 Aaron Community Assembly Public Benefit Use Church. Two cases, GMP 2025-10017 and ZON 2025-10010. This was heard at the last month's MPB meeting and this continued to today. Property is 1600 Aaron Avenue on the west side of Aaron Avenue between Cepeda and Cassius Streets, east of South Ivy Lane in the West Washington Shores, but it's really not West Washington Shores. It's west of Bruton Boulevard. Yeah. Uh, here's the aerial photo of the property. So you can see that it's, uh, adjacent to residential, to the east, to the south, to the west and in a butts, uh, Cepeda street, which is a never built street to the north. And then Eccleston elementary school owns the property to the north with a carver middle school off to the northwest. So the two requests, you have a future land use change from public recreation institutional to residential low, and then a rezoning from P, public use, to a PD, planned development, with default R1 zoning to allow a phased community assembly, public benefit use. And the history, 1952, the Eccleston-Quipple Children's Home and Hospital, formerly dedicated the initial building was built three years later 1962 central florida sheltered workshop was created and in 65 the property was annexed into the city 2010 central florida sheltered workshop dissolved became quest inc and then in september 2022 quest sees operations at the facility And about a year later, property was purchased by the current owners. And in October of 2023, A previous applicant applied for a GMP amendment and rezoning and a conditional use permit to convert the former Quest site to a 200-seat neighborhood assembly public benefit use. Cases were withdrawn in early 2025 per neighborhood concerns about increased traffic and potential incompatible residential uses from the default R2A zoning if the church were to fail. Some site photos. Here's the property off of Aaron. Here's the main building. Here's another view of the south entry drive where it abuts homes off Cassius. And then here's the rear of the property as seen from South Ivy Lane. Here's the survey of the site. It currently consists of six buildings with parking and drive aisles around with the back of it pretty much open. There's a small retention area in the back here. And their phase one site plan shows the three main buildings in the front. And this PD represents approval of the PD would be subject to approval of phase one only with phases two and three coming back to the board for master plan approval. So only phase one. Here's a rendering of what the buildings will look like along Aaron and another rendering. So following last month's MPB meeting, the board directed the applicants to conduct additional community meetings. So they had additional community meetings on February 2nd, February 7th and February 10th. Very well attended, uh, residents continued to be concerned about traffic, even on Saturdays when the church will hold those services. Residents were also concerned about a future multi-purpose play field that would be done as part of phase three. But like I just said, phase three would come back to you as another master plan. So that play field is not part of the equation just yet. Lastly, residents were not supportive of the need for another church in the Ritzman Heights neighborhood, and were not interested in any of the ancillary uses the church would be offering. We have federal rules, the RELUPA, Religious Land Use Act, I can't read it, it tops off. Federal law, including RELUPA, significantly limits a local government to deny religious land uses through zoning and land development. Under RELUPA, municipalities may not impose or implement land use regulations that place a substantial burden on religious exercise unless the action is supported by a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive means of achieving that interest. So in other words, in residential zoning districts, courts have consistently held that generalized concerns regarding neighborhood compatibility, character, opposition to religious uses, absent objective and demonstrable land use impacts are insufficient to justify denial. Also, religious assemblies must be treated on equal terms with comparable non-religious institutional or assembly uses. Let's see, trying to see if I can. So this property has a longstanding history as an institutional use since 1952 within the Richmond Heights neighborhood. The site's already functioned as an institutional scale community use in the proposed phase one church use. While public input expressing neighborhood concerns is an important component of the review process, opposition alone does not constitute a legally defensible basis for denial. Any conditions or limitations imposed must be directly related to mitigating identifiable land use impacts, such as traffic, parking, or operational intensity. and must be applied in a neutral and non-discriminatory manner consistent with federal law. In this instance, the city's zoning regulations expressly permit religious congregations of up to 250 persons within residential zoning districts when not located along a major thoroughfare. So, This standard, let's see here. Sorry, chops off the top on the PowerPoint. Any conditions of approval should be narrowly tailored to address such impacts, such as traffic, circulation, parking demand, or hours of operation, while avoiding restrictions that would effectively undermine the use otherwise allowed by the zoning code or impose an undue burden on religious exercise. So back to what I was saying, the proposed phase one church is closer to being a neighborhood assembly public benefit use than a community level public benefit use. And that a maximum 200 seat congregation is allowed under neighborhood PBU, while the proposed phase one PBU will have a maximum 250 seat congregation. Vehicular access for a neighborhood PBU is allowed from standard residential streets, while a slightly larger community PBU does require access from collector or arterial roadways. The proposed phase one, oh, I did that. Sorry. The applicant did provide a traffic study. That's been brought up last month and this, again, The Phase 1 PBU will have a negligible impact to area streets and especially negligible impacts on Aaron Avenue. The planned reuse of the ex-Quest site buildings for a maximum 250-seat church results in no greater intensity of use than the previous Quest secular use. That's why my staff has recommended approval of only the first phase at 250 seats. Proposed PD complies with all aspects of land development code, with phase one being compatible with adjacent single-family residential uses to the west, south, and east. Proposed PD and phase one approval will also be consistent with the proposed res low, future land use, and the city's growth management plan. so we're recommending approval of both the gmp future land use amendment and the pd rezoning with approval of phase one only as contained in chapter 65 of the land development code and detailed in the two associated staff reports so that's the recommendation is approval of both the land use change and approval of the the pd with approval of just phase one, not phase two and three. And then we have a lot of the conditions in the staff report. I'm free for any questions you have.

Thank you, Mr. Burnett. I have a couple quick questions, clarifications. And you stated these clearly, but just for everyone's benefit. Outside of phase one, so any subsequent phases, we'll have to come back to this board. And that is a change from our last meeting.

It was, yeah, we clarified that. So that's why from last month's meeting to this month's, we clarified that phases two and three would come back as separate meetings. master plans and come back to this board, not the administrative.

Thank you. And then there were three community meetings held within the span of a month since the last meeting? Yes. Thank you. And then for my own clarity, I know ultimately the plan is to have a 500-seat assembly. At what phase does that come online?

That only comes online... Well, after you approve phase two through a separate master plan through a public hearing process, and then only up through phase three approval of a separate master plan through a public hearing process. So that's the only time that's when they would get up to 500. Okay. So phase one is only a maximum 250 congregation.

Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. Does the board have any additional questions for staff at this time? All right. Seeing none. Thank you. The applicant would like to speak.

Good morning, members. Jose Venegas, 1800 North Orange Avenue. I represent the owner of the Florida Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. Ryan Amos is here representing them. Dear members, we respectfully submit this statement to affirm our commitment to transparency, collaboration, and good faith engagement with the surrounding community regarding our proposed church project. From the outset, our goal has been to ensure the community is informed and heard. We held two public meetings to present the proposal, answer questions, and solicit feedback. Attendance was limited, yet we made ourselves available to all who participated. At the board's request, we conducted three additional community meetings and undertook further notification efforts, including direct outreach and prominent onsite signage to provide meaningful notice to nearby residents. During these discussions, we invited stakeholders to share concerns and suggest modifications that might make the proposal acceptable. The feedback conveyed a consistent position that the church use on this property would not be supported. The principal concern cited involved traffic and potential neighborhood impacts. In response, we commissioned a professional traffic engineering study prepared under accepted standards, which concluded the project would not materially affect traffic conditions. Following presentation of those findings, the concerns expressed did not materially change. We believe it is important to note that the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a longstanding record of community service. education, health outreach, and family programming. In the Orlando region specifically, Seventh-day Adventist affiliated institutions are recognized for their leadership in healthcare delivery and community wellness. Our local churches and members already live and work in these communities every day, including approximately 130 families within a 10-mile radius of the proposed site. The church's emphasis on whole person care, addressing physical, mental, and spiritual well-being has resulted in programming that serves the broader community, not solely its members. Our intention is not to displace residents, but to be a positive presence and blessing to the neighborhood. We respectfully submit that we have acted diligently and in good faith through this process, conducting multiple meetings, complying with board direction, providing notice and commissioning professional analysis. Ultimately, we seek only to use the property in accordance with the land development regulations established by the city of Orlando. To do so, we require a zoning designation that permits a lawful by-right use consistent with the city's comprehensive plan and land development code. And we remain willing to continue working constructively with neighbors as the project moves forward. We remain committed to transparency, compliance, and continued dialogue. And we respectfully request that the board evaluate this application based on the applicable standards, the professional evidence in the record, and the documented outreach undertaken. Thank you for your time. We'd love the opportunity to respond to any of the neighbors' comments.

Thank you. And we'll go ahead and unless anyone has an immediate question for the applicant, we can open a public comment.

Just to note, Betsy will call your name and please state your name and address for the record. And she might call like three at a time so you know who's next so we can go through this expeditiously. Thank you.

The first speaker will be Trina Turner-Francis. The second speaker will be Dr. Sweetie Stewart. And the third speaker will be Raleigh Stewart.

Good morning. My name is Trina Turner Francis, and I live in the property directly across from the 1601. I'm 1601, they're 1600. I am standing here today because the project will directly impact my home, my family, and every resident who lives on this two-lane highway. My primary concern is traffic safety and community impact. Erin Avenue is only a two-lane road. Building a three-story megachurch will significantly increase traffic volume in the way that, I'm so sorry, the infrastructure simply cannot handle. No matter which direction vehicles enter or exit, there are only two to three connecting streets available. This will only create congestion confusion and dangerous traffic patterns this is not just about inconvenience this is about safety more cars more congestion and more unfamiliar drivers navigating residential areas will increase the risk of accidents our children live here our families live here residents back out of driveways directly facing this property site flooding this area with high volume traffic creates hazardous environment for the very people who call this community home in addition there has been no clear plan presented that addresses the development with upgrades the infrastructure infrastructure improves the road capacity, or provide tangible benefits to the families and children who live in this residential neighborhood. Growth must be responsible. Development must be balanced. Community voices must matter. For this reason, I respectfully oppose the construction of a mega church at this location and request that the alternate site be selected. one that's properly zoned, adequately supported by the infrastructure, and better suited for the high-volume traffic. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Good morning, everybody. My name is Dr. Sweetie and I'm at Cassius Street on the side of this proposed building. I'm not here to argue about faith. We are here to make sure that you understand that we're speaking on behalf of our children. Our children who walk out the street, play every day, every single day. This is their home. In our neighborhood, our children walk to school. We have parents that walk to the stores with their strollers. Elder neighbors crosses the street slowly with groceries in their hands, driveways open directly onto the narrow two lane road. There are only two ways or three ways in and out of this community. This is not a commercial district. This is home. We are asking you and wanting you to understand. We want you to picture something just for a moment. Just picture this. Picture hundreds of cars exiting at once. Picture midway service overlapping with our school dismissal. Picture headlights. the turning signals, frustration, congestions. Just picture our child standing there waiting to cross the street, stepping off the curb. All it takes is one distracted driver, one blind turn, one moment for something in our community to change forever. We need you to protect our community. Our children do not have a lobbyist. They do not have and they don't understand the zoning laws. So we're trusting. you to trust the adults that live in the community, that we're making the right decision to protect our future, to protect our children. We're asking you to just pause and truly consider not just first step and first stage and second stage, but all of the stages that's going to end up to 750. Seats in a sanctuary that that community is not set to handle. This is our home where we sleep, where we rest, where we go to work weeks by weeks and come home at the end of the week to rest on. We're asking you. Don't take 30 seconds. Excuse me.

So thank you, ma'am. You may have 30 seconds.

Oh, oh, I can have three. Oh, thank you, doctor. Growth is not wrong. Worship is not wrong. But placement matters. Scales matters. And fractured matters. We're asking you, our roads are narrow. Driveways face the interest. All we're asking you is to clearly understand our heart cry that we want a place, safety place to live and a place where we have peace of mind, where we can sleep at night. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

After Raleigh Stewart will be Andre Howard, then Sammy Brown, and then Margaret Franklin.

My name is Raleigh Stewart, 4328 Cassius Street, Orlando, Florida, 32811. I'd first like to say there's a scripture in the Bible that talks about there's a time, there's a place, there's a season for everything. That's biblical. Amen? That's biblical. We are here, this community. I've been in Orlando, Florida all my life, all my life. So I didn't have to write anything down because I'm going to sweep in my heart, okay? And I hope and pray that looking at the panel today, when you cast your vote and make a decision, you look at the community that I love. I lived all my life. That's why we're here. We're not fighting. We stating the facts. We love our community. There's a term called disrupt. Disruption. What does disruption mean? Disruption means that there's something called cause and effect. Okay? You see the cause. So what's the effect going to be? First phase, second phase, third phase. We don't know. You don't know. But if you pass it, you're passing something because, well... People have money. People have influence. We may not have that, but we have love for each other. Everybody here today love each other. My grandmother lived on Cassius Street. I'm here now on Cassius Street. She had 12 kids, nine girls and three boys. Most of them went to college. You want to know why? My grandmother worked hard. She suffered. She worked in the school system, and she put us in college. I'm a pharmacist, 43 years. 43 years. You want to know why? Because I had the determination because of my grandmother and my mother. I can tell you every street in Richmond Heights that will be affected by what you guys will propose if you allow it. We lived on... Minoso, Willie Bays, Ivy Lane, I can tell you every street. If you look at the photo that I saw, and it puzzled me, I saw the photo that the gentleman put up, but I didn't see the street in front of the building. That's the street. That's a two-lane street that the young lady was talking about that she lived right across. If you look at that street, you got an interest coming here, you got an interest coming here. Okay. You got 500 people. Let's say 250 people. You got children walking back and forth. But guess what? How are they coming out? Have anybody said, okay, what you're going to do to the streets? You can't do nothing to the streets. Trust me. You can't do nothing to the streets. If you want to come out the entrance, you got Cepeda. If you want to go left, you got, um, what is it? Um, I forget that street, but it's a painter. Then you got a Pete, no, Patrick, Patrick Kennedy. Then you got a, you got all these streets. So no matter where you go. And then I think they mentioned behind. So what you want to do, you want to build a road, you build that road. You're going by Cozart. When you go by Cozart, you're going down Raleigh. All these are two-lane streets. So I submit to the board, to the panel, and I believe Commissioner Burns said that you guys are volunteers. And we appreciate that because we need volunteers. But I will submit to you, make the right decision. Don't make a decision because the person next to you may get mad at you or they may say you're not doing what's right. Do what's in your heart because we are Christian people. We are Christian based and we didn't show up just to come. We came because we believe in our community and it has nothing against with their vision. That's their vision. We live in this community. We're not going anywhere. They coming in the community and they leaving. They coming into the community and they'll leave it. When I leave here, I'm going back home to Cassius. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Andre Howard.

And then Sammy Brown, please. Andre Howard.

Good morning. My name is Andre Howard, 4266 Booker Street, Orlando, president of Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association. And I am here to actually do something a little bit different. I want to tell you all things that you don't know, things that have been going on. All right. Firstly, the church said, they said that they had a nice group. We did have a group of people there, okay? The way those people got there was that word of mouth from our neighbors. When they passed out flyers, for the meeting on the 7th, which was on a Saturday. The meeting was at four o'clock. At two o'clock, they were out passing out flyers to come to the meeting. That's too short of a notice for people to want to jump and come to a meeting. But that's also a strategic movement, right? That's a strategic movement on their side. They went to maybe four streets. We have a list. of people that they call, that they contacted. And they hit streets. I live in Roosevelt Park, right? I have five, six streets. In my neighborhood, there were two streets that were contacted and three people on each street. Right? So they did not do what you all asked them to do at the last meeting. If I'm not mistaken, you asked them to come back, which is why you gave them an opportunity to come back and do a better job and reach out to the community. In these meetings that we had, there were people there who knew nothing about it, only by word of mouth from us. The sign that they put up, it was up one day and the wind blew it down the next. And then there was a meeting and they came and put it back up. Another thing strategic that they did, parking. Those other meetings, everybody parked out front. All of a sudden we parked, all of the cars are parked in the back. So we had to find out that they were parking in the back. So people who are passing by thinking there's a meeting thinks, oh no, there must not be a meeting. So they leave, all right? These are all strategic things that are done. So they have actually failed to do what you asked them to do in that last meeting by contacting the community, right? There's a lady here now, and she passed by, and she spoke to one of the people passing out the fire, and she explained what they were doing and asked where the lady lived, the resident. She said, I live in the back. And she was told, oh, we're going to get to you. They never did. They never got beyond, I think it was what, 400 feet? I'm going to say it was 4.5.

Anybody want to yield their time? I have 30 seconds, please.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. I just want to say that our bottom line is we do not want the church in our neighborhood. We do not want the church, not because it's a church. We have nothing against the religion, against the church, but the dynamics in which they're trying to build this church and the infrastructure, the traffic is going to impede our neighborhood. As the last gentleman said, if you notice on the graphs that they showed, you didn't see any homes on those, but the homes are as close as from here to that wall.

Thank you, sir. That completes the 30 seconds. I appreciate your comments.

Thank you.

Next, we have Sammy Brown.

And then Margaret Franklin, please.

Good morning, boys. My name is Sammy Brown. I live at the first side of 1649 Aaron, down across from the 1600 facility. I had a letter I was going to read that I sent to my commissioner, but time limit, I guess I'll do my Second Amendment that I had here. And I'm just going to say I've been in all that in most of my life, too. And I want to say a business is a business, and I don't think it has any business being in a residential neighborhood. And I got a thing here that says, you know, if we were in Baldwin Park, Azalea Park, Dr. Phillips, Bay Hill, Metro West, Windermere, College Park, we wouldn't be at this meeting, you know? Because several communities have already said, not in my backyard. Bay Hill said it to the Toro Center, and who was that down the road here that was, they said it to the homeless center. Right downtown, Delaney told the city, no, we don't want the homeless center. And y'all have approved that. Why can't Richmond High say, we don't want this in the outback? Same thing. We want to stop phase one at where it is now. We definitely do not want phase two and phase three. That would be an abomination. 500 people, that's not going to work. We're telling you now we're going to have a traffic problem. We don't need a study to tell us we're going to have a traffic problem. 500 people is not going to work on air run, two lane residential highway. They need a four lane highway somewhere around it. We take First Baptist, they got three exits to three four lane highways. You're trying to put a First Baptist right in front of us with a two-lane residential street. It's not going to work. And then when they get phase two and three, there's going to be almost a 24-hour operation. It's not going to work. So I thank you, sir, to vote no for that voting change there. I won't read my letter, because I don't think I can do it in a few minutes. Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Margaret Franklin, and then Bessie Harris, and then Barbara Frazier, please.

Good morning. I'm Margaret Franklin. My address is 164 Argus Avenue, Orlando 328111. I'm going to give my time to Cynthia Harris.

Excuse me. Robert, don't allow you to give time to other people. You need to make your own statements, please.

Well, we didn't know that. Well, since I'm here. I feel just like the other ones.

I'll reset your clock just so you know.

Sorry?

I said I'll reset your clock for the next three minutes. Let us reset the clock for you so you can make your statement. Thank you. Good.

Thank you. Yes, I'm a pastor over at 4444 Raleigh Street, and it has already been said that we have about 50-something churches in the area already. And of course, you know, I love everybody, but my concern is for the residents. I feel their hearts, I see their faces and this community has not been disrupted like this before. And so I just think that we ought to consider the folks that live in the area. There are other places that they can build a bigger facility. And it's not like the churches are full, the 50 churches in the area are full, they are not. I just think it just would be terrible for our people. We've got older people that has been here for so many years, and then to be disrupted like this, it's just, to me, it's horrible. And I pray that you all will consider their feelings. I don't live quite in the area, but consider their feelings. Please. Thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker is Bessie Harris, followed by Barbara Frazier, please.

Bessie Harris, 1627 Erin Avenue, Orlando, Florida. Good morning to the chair, vice chair, and other members of the board. I live directly in front of the property that is requesting a rezoning permit. The construction and the expansion to the building at 1600 Erin Avenue directly affects the rights of the residents' quiet enjoyment of our property and our way of life, which is very, very quiet. It is not in the best interest of the overall community to grant the owner the Florida conference association of seven day advantage LLC, a rezoning permit to construct a church and implement a daycare that will not benefit the Washington shores, Richmond Heights, and all other surrounding communities in the area. Furthermore, The residents with respiratory and cancer related issues, which I am a cancer survivor will be exposed to dust airborne particles that will significantly affect our health. And also our children would breed these particles. They will develop cancer along the line. This, we do not want to happen. These airborne particles will be flying all over the community once they do this construction. Also, the high noise volume will lead to severe fatigue among the residents in our community. I ask you, the Municipal Planning Board, to deny the rezoning permit for the proposed project by the owner and the applicant at 1600 Aaron Avenue, Orlando, Florida. I want to live a little bit longer. I don't want to have to breathe this dust and everything that will happen. It affects me directly. I'm sitting down in the front of them. And I thank you for your time. And I appreciate it this morning.

Thank you, ma'am.

After Miss Frazier will be Patty Burns, followed by Shalina Roberts, please.

Good morning. I'm Barbara Frazier and my address is 243 Sifford Lane, Orlando, Florida, 32811. I've lived in the community for 58 plus years and I'm speaking this morning because I care deeply about preserving the character, safety, and quality of life in our community. Let me be clear. This is not about faith and it's really not about opposing a church. I'll explain. Within a two-mile radius of this proposed Orlando Brazilian Seventh-day Adventist church, there are already 55 churches serving the area. That fact alone shows there's no shortage of places to worship nearby. The proposed Orlando Brazilian Seventh-day Adventist church It's different. It isn't just a church. They say they're starting out with 200, 250 seats. It's actually at its exodus will be 500, possibly 750 seats, a mega sanctuary. And it includes, but not limited to, a sports complex of sorts, a daycare, an area for teaching such things such as karate. And did I mention it's a megachurch and it will be three stories tall? That kind of scale simply does not fit in this community on a two lane road. Our streets were not designed for large event traffic on service days, tournament days, special events. We would see a significant influx of cars and congestion at intersections, blocked driveways, in addition to the comings and goings of people dropping off and picking up kids daily. This poses an increased safety risk for our children and our seniors. And what about our emergency vehicles? It could also be compromised. There's also the issue of noise, this sporting events, amplified signs, amplified sound, large gatherings. These are not occasional disturbances. They would become a regular part of life. Homeowners who invested in a quiet residential neighborhood would suddenly be living next door to what functions more like a commercial event center. Property values would be at stake. Buyers looking for peaceful residential streets may hesitate when faced with the reality of constant traffic and large scale activity next door. We do not want incentives or promises in exchange for altering the fabric of our neighborhood. What we want is stability. We want appropriate development that respects existing zoning and the people who already live here. Growth is important, faith communities are important, but location matters, scale matters, compatibility matters. The proposed sanctuary is simply too large, too intense, too disruptive for this residential setting.

Thank you, ma'am. You may have 30 seconds.

The developers have been deceptive in their presentation to us. They tried to make us believe they were good hands. They pretended they wanted to be a good neighbor. But when we said no to a box of food and secondhand throwaways, they want to throw their weight around. They made it clear. They want to be the Burger King. They want to have it their way. I respectfully ask that this council before me and the ones who may be watching by, I call it closed circuit TV, please deny this proposal and protect the integrity of our neighborhood.

Thank you.

Good morning. My name is Patty Burns. I live at 202 Argos Avenue. I am 67 years old. I have lived in this community 67 years. I worship at a church, Community Baptist Church, and we serve the community. of people through a food pantry of over 400 people a month. So I know this community. And I just want to bring up just a few things that a lot of people has already shared with you. It's about the traffic and infrastructure strainer. When I mean strain, it means strain. Heavy Saturday traffic, parking congestion, noise, strain on the local roads. Even though we're looking at, like you said, we have a lot of other big churches in the neighborhood, like St. Mark, we have Victory. All of these churches are on a four-lane road. Four lane. We're talking about a big mega church on a two lane. I know in the last discussion, the young man was saying, well, we're only going to be talking about phase one, but you know, when you start phase one, they're going to be a phase two and a phase three. So that's just reality, you know, and everything like that. So my concern is the neighborhood that I have been raised up in that I dearly love the people in this community. And like I said, we have been serving this community for 26 years at a food pantry. I know the people. They're good people. They're not poverty people. They are middle class people that live in this community. You have degrees, people that are educated. These are not just anybody people that you're talking about. These are real people that work and live and love their community. Excuse me. And that was one of the main things that I just want to say. So I'm being very short and brief. But the thing about it, it is going to disrupt this community if you build a mega church. Look at First Baptist Church. Highways, everywhere. They can get out. They have to have police directing the traffic. So what are you talking about? A megachurch in the middle of a community like that? It is going to be ridiculous. It's going to be a strain on the community, on the elderlies. You have a lot of elderlies that still live in that community. And I appreciate you all listening to all of us. I pray that you take consideration to both sides. of everything, and I really do appreciate this. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

That's just, excuse me, Shalina Roberts, then Johnny Dawson, and then Dion Turner.

Good morning, everyone. I'm standing here before on my community to be held, asking y'all to see the big picture here. I have a son that walks all the time when he get a chance. Even walking on that side where they want to do a mega church or whatever they're trying to do there. He doesn't pay attention sometimes. He always have his hand in his phone. Now, picture that situation. A mistake could always happen. Kids walk there. I walk through that neighborhood. It's too much going on at one time. They got a little daycare right around the corner. That's more traffic on top of traffic. All I'm asking, as I'm standing here before y'all, to the kids. That's my big deal, the kids. I'm focused on the kids' safety and well-being. It's not a good idea. And I'm only talking for a person that walks a lot in their community. So that is... What I'm looking at today that it would not happen because it's not fair for the community and it's not fair for our little children. Thank you so much.

Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, can you please state your name and address for the record, please?

My name is Shalina Roberts, 4328 Caster Street. Thank you.

Johnny Dawson? No?

Okay.

Dion Turner, please, followed by James Robinson. Greetings.

My name is Dion Turner. My address is 4001 Kirkland Boulevard, Orlando, Florida, right in the heart of Richmond Heights. And first and foremost, may I say thank you guys for showing up. I am the president of Richmond Heights Neighborhood Association. And then let me turn to you guys. Thank you guys for showing up to show them that we care.

Thank you guys for your vision.

But at this point, may I say I walked 1,700 homes when they voted me in, which I really didn't care to take the position because it was a voting. It was where I had to volunteer. I don't get paid to do what I do. My daughter wanted breakfast this morning, but I told her no so I could be here on time to make sure that my name was on this list so that you guys could hear my heart and that the people that I live with know That I care because all the other meetings I missed because I was not notified until the last minute. And I have a life too, just like you guys do. And just like they have one and just like them. And I appreciate everyone. But at this point, I will need you guys to hear my soul. My soul. Let's take a moment of silence from my soul and the rest of these people's soul. Now that we have listened to the soul, listen to our soul, not what we want, not what we want money, not what we want just because we've lived there, but the soul, the soul of Richema Heights. That's what I come to stand up here today to talk about. And I know I might sound very passionate. It's because I walked 1,700 homes to make sure that our people knew that we want to get back together because I care about our community. And not only did I walk 1,700 homes and pass out flies to let them know that I was starting back up something that had died and lay dormant. I walked, I was afraid of dogs in the neighborhood, but I walked 1,700 homes in two days. And not only did I do it, I had somebody from another community from district five come and assist me. And I know I'm loud. I don't know if we have a volume that we supposed to be, but I am passionate about what I, and I, like I said, I just need y'all to understand that Blessings to you guys for your vision, but it's not the place for it in our neighborhood. So all I ask is that when you guys make this decision, think about it. Put yourself in our in our homes because we already have where we got to fight to take and get out of when first baptism thing. And I praise God to them and their blessings and what they're bringing in. But now we cannot afford to have this in our community. I appreciate y'all for taking a moment with yourselves and being able to understand that we too have a say. I love you guys and blessings to you.

Thank you.

After Mr. Robinson will be Keith Johnson and then Franklin Cotton Jr., please.

Madam Secretary, could you give us an idea of where we are on the count of speakers, just so we can understand pace?

We'll have about 14 speakers left. 13, 14 speakers left.

Okay, thank you. Thank you, Diane. Good morning, everybody. My name is James Robinson, 1757 Ravenhall, Orlando, Florida, 32811. I was going to bring a piece of paper up here, but I'm just bringing this in from my heart. I've been in Richmond Heights for over 50 years. I played at Richmond Heights Elementary. Watched it go by the wayside on me. Soon enough, I'm going to watch Exxon Elementary go to the wayside. This morning, I was on my way here watching a guy ride behind his little girl on a bicycle. Soon, I won't see that dog. This is a residential area. Out on the frontage out front, Well, Brewton Boulevard, L.B. McLeod, that's where commercial stuff need to be. That's where that church need to be out there. That church don't need to be in the heart of our neighborhood. But we got, like she say, two-lane roads with speed bumps in it. Releasing people out of church on Saturday, that's the day everybody usually go shopping. Mothers go grocery shopping because they're off on the weekends. Kids go to play on the weekend. We don't need all that in our neighborhood. You want to build something, go out there on Elby McLeod and 33rd. Got plenty of room out there, plenty of builders out there. Leave our neighborhood to us. Because in the early 1900s, if you do your history about Orlando, Division Street, that meant something. That was a division between the blacks and the whites. I'm sorry to say, but it's real what is real. Oh, they gave us the West side. Now they want to take that from us and put what they want to put in our neighborhood and our front door. No, I don't like it. I don't like it. I just want to put it on the record. James Robinson don't like it. Amen.

Thank you, sir.

Hello, how you doing? My name is Keith Johnson. I live at 4289 Cepeda Street. Hello, my name is Keith Johnson. I live at 4289 Cepeda Street. I'm right across the street from 1600. My grandparents brought this property back in 1944. They built the house in 1954. We got about 80 years right here in this residence, right here. 80 years. I've been to all the meetings from day one. They started out with 80 members, talking about 80 members. Then they went from 80 to 200 to 250 to 500. That's growth. I talked to the pastor. I explained to the pastor, if this was just about church, then church can be held anywhere. It don't have to be at 1600. for the type of growth that y'all are planning to have in our residential area, we're not equipped for that. Our infrastructure is very weak, meaning that the sewage, the drainage, back when we had the storms, we was up under the flood, just like Ola Vista. So Also, I talked to Jim after the first hearing a couple years ago and tried to explain to them that there's an other alternative to this. It's just not what they are saying because as the commissioner stated in the last month hearing that he was bombarded by the growth that they presented to him. So what I'm saying is, like I explained to the pastor, that our community is not equipped for all this. We cannot sustain it. Anyway. Everybody done said pretty much everything that I had written down. So there's nothing I can say that somebody else done already done said. So, but anyway, I'm opposed it and I hope that you agree with me. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Franklin Cotton Jr. is the next speaker followed by Mary Maxwell and then Ryan Amos.

Name is Franklin Cotton, 1856 William Mays Parkway, Orlando, Florida, 32811. On behalf of my neighborhood, I oppose this. Nothing against religion, nothing against expansion, but not in our neighborhood. Richmond Heights is known for Black history. All our streets are named affluent athletes in our neighborhood. Our neighborhood is actually black history itself. So I'm upset about Eccleston's going to be going away. I guess they're going to demolition that. I went to Eccleston 1968, first grade. Now they might as well get ready to tear down tear down our neighborhood with phase, what, one, two, and three? So that means demolition of homes, not just expansion in the neighborhood. You're trying to put a round pig in a square hole. We can't. There's too much traffic. It's too much traffic flow. And in my opinion, they're trying to erase our Black history. That's what I really believe. So, again, nothing against religion. Like you said, we've got 55 churches within, what, three, four mile radius. And that's, I love the Lord, but the Lord, I hope you all go somewhere else. That's my opinion. All right. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Thanks, sir.

After miss Maxwell will be Felicia span Baker and then Sharon Brown. Thank you.

Good morning board. It's Mary Maxwell, 1425 Brewton Boulevard. I'm the direct entrance into quest on Aaron. I want to share something with you today. I may not have enough time, but I will send you a copy if I don't get a chance to state it all, okay? Members of the Planning Board, I stand before you strongly oppose the approval of any additional development within the proposed zoning site until long overdue infrastructure improvement are fully completed and proven adequate. Our community is already facing real courage flooding during heavy rain events and hurricane home streets and property are being impact on the current condition. Approving phase one, phase two and phase three without first correcting these deficiencies is not what we need. It is only going to compound an existing problem. The infrastructure serving the air and area is outdated and to the best of my knowledge has not been significantly upgraded in more than 30 years or more. Before any further approval, granted the city bus publicly document when the last infrastructure improvement was made within the zone and target area and demonstrate that the system can safely handle additional capacity. If it's the not development should not move forward. continue to build on top of failing or inadequate infrastructure, expose homeowners to greater flood risk, declining property value, increased insurance costs, potential public safety hazard. It also exposed the city. to a possibility of liability by approving growth without first ensuring that essential systems are capable of supporting it. Growth should never outpace infrastructure. Development must follow infrastructure readiness, not preceded. UNTIL COMPREHENSIVE DRAINING AND INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES ARE COMPLETED AND INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED, I RESPECTFULLY BUT FIRMLY REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD DENY OR DELAY ANY FURTHER APPROVEMENT. THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE. IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUE. THANK YOU. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT talking to the board, talking to the city, that have not came out and looked at that proposed site yourself, then you don't understand what's going on out there, okay? Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

The next speaker is Felicia Stan Baker, followed by Sharon Brown, and then Header Pierre Joseph, please.

Good morning, all. My name is Felicia Spann-Baker. I reside at 4483 Brook Street. Thank you for the opportunity. I was born and raised in Richmond Heights, where it's a close-knit community, which you have just heard. I also served as the former first vice president of the Neighborhood Association for Richmond Heights. And I'm a member of several civic organizations, as well as a faithful member of Community Baptist Church, my home church. I say all of these to say that with that being done, all of those in which I am connected with serves the community. And in serving the community, there was no information that was given about this church plan. With that being said, It was not clearly communicated through any of the associations. It was found out, as you've heard, by word of mouth. I attended the last two meetings as a member. I asked a question that stated, you provided flyers in a 400-foot radius of the building, of those flyers and those people that you came in contact, who was in favor and excited about what you were doing? Ryan's summarized answer was, supporters usually don't come out. Well, my extended response to that is elderly people, they may not come out because they chose not to drive at night. Then you have some single parents who work multiple jobs to provide for their family. You have married couples with schedules that conflict with the times that were offered. You have renters who, frankly, they don't care about the community. You also have landlords who aren't living in the area. So with that being said, I have a pulse on the community. With that being said, also, I'd like to propose this and ask that you look back at the paperwork. The land development condition number seven, and you all can look at it for yourself. If approved today, it states that the maximum amount that they are asking for is 500 seats at this time. rezoning request not to 50. However, staff says that this approval is for phase one phase one part seven states that 500 seat max approval of this rezoning will entitle the full project, not just as phase one but catapulted to phase three. With that being said, if they had a pulse on the community, they would have known that on January 17th was an important day within the African American community. It was the weekend of Martin Luther King where parades are given over in the Orlando area in Edenville. That's where the first meeting was. February 7th was attended by a couple of dozen, and on the 10th there was an increase in numbers. If they had a pulse on the community, his answer would have been much different.

May I have a few more seconds? Thank you.

Thank you so much. I took off from work on today to stand on not only the shoulders of my parents, but to stand shoulder to shoulder with my neighbors, my church members, and associates against their proposal regarding rezoning for today. I ask that you, in your definite wisdom, choose against this rezoning. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

Good morning. My name is Sharon Brown. I reside at 4214 Lake Richmond Drive, Orlando, Florida, a little bit further out from Eccleston, but right in the pathway of First Baptist. Trying to get out of First Baptist, two street intersections, it's a disaster. Bruton Boulevard, as well as L.B. McLeod Road. And they're back there up the two lane highway. Can you imagine what that's going to look like? There are times when I have to sit there 10 minutes waiting to get out. And that's a much broader area than where they're talking about going. I just want to say a couple of things in addition to what everybody else has said I agree with. But a big mega church, three buildings in that area will certainly change the look of the neighborhood and it will possibly reduce the value of our homes. Now they're talking about Saturday. I am quite sure this organization will have events seven days out of the week. They're going to have the bright lights outside that's going to be shining in through these windows when people are trying to sleep, whether it's a sports activity or for security of the church. Those are some issues that have not been brought up. And for lack of time, I think that's it. I'll cut it short there. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good morning. My name is Heather Pierre-Joseph. May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength and my redeemer. I did that for an example. I am a woman of faith. I have family members at SDA. There are about five SDA churches that speak, Haitian churches in that area. I just want to speak to dismantle some of the myths. This is not for the benefit of the black community. The black community has been exploited over and over and over again. We are the weakest of them. No disrespect to the church. As a woman of faith, I call on the Lord. That's not going to benefit the poor black folks because we're going to say it like you really think. It's not going to benefit the poor black folks. We have Washington Shores Elementary School. I'm a teacher. We have the elementary schools. We have services providing services to the community, not poor black people. I want you to understand there are homes on that street. It is a residential street. There is no capacity. We have First Baptist. We have a Haitian church right there on John Young and Orange Center. They yeah. Hey, they don't have to find somewhere else because I'm not against the church. I am for the community. And we got to start speaking truth to justice. The black community is the weaker community. So it's OK to put it there. We had the sports center where they did offer Barack Obama. That don't benefit the black kids. They say it's going to benefit us, but it doesn't benefit us. So in the name of Christ, in the name of religion, in the name of faith, in the name of truth, the community has spoken. That community, and we have to respect the community, that community was relegated in there. That's the only place that black folks could go. So you've got to understand your history. This is not about a church. This is enough is enough. The Haitian community, the community. I didn't give my address. Let me give it five to two five Wellington Park Circle. I'm sorry about that. This is about us standing together. Every person in here know nobody would allow a mega church in a sports center on a two way residential road. It's not even a street. It's a road. But even like sidewalks, it's a road. It's a residential word. So we call it not faith. God knows this is wrong. I don't know what the answers are. I am torn for the church that bought that property. It feel as though they have a right. So I don't know what the compromise looks like. There has to be a compromise, but a 750-seat church, a mega church, no. Make it smaller, and the community will welcome you as we welcome the other 55 churches. Thank you.

Thank you.

The next speaker is Patrick Jones, followed by Luana Gelzer, and then Rashaun Moore.

Good morning, board. Patrick Jones, 8524 Shady Glen Drive. I actually live in Dr. Phillips. So I can't really imagine what these people have to go through. But I will say this. I'll tell you what I do know. This community for generations has been a proud, historic African-American neighborhood built on resilience, ownership, and community. Not just houses, not just streets, but legacy. Families who scraped together down payments. when the banks didn't even want to loan them money. You hear me? Grandparents who kept lights on when the systems tried to turn them off. Children who played in these yards and grew up to build something together in this community. And now they're being asked to consider a 500 seat high capacity facility at 1600 Erin Avenue on a narrow one way residential street. Let's pause right there. A 500 seat facility. on a street not designed for high volume traffic, on a road where children ride their bikes, where seniors walk to check their mail, where families expect peace, not congestion. This isn't about faith. This is about fit. Because we don't need more megachurches, especially ones that have no historical or cultural ties to our community. We need mega solutions. Where are the mega houseless shelters for families who are one paycheck away from losing everything? Where are they at? Where are the spaces, right? Where are the mega community aid centers offering job training, mental health services, legal help, food access, youth programming? Where are the spaces that reduce instability instead of increasing strain on infrastructure? Faith Without Works is dead. In a community without consideration is displacement just by another name. A 250-seat facility alone on Erin Avenue will increase traffic and congestion on the street where I said, there you go, where safety is already a risk for children and seniors, disrupt the residential character of this historic neighborhood, strain parking and local infrastructure. And I also want to be clear that this traffic study that they said they did, this was done at 10 o'clock at night in the middle of a week. What kind of traffic study is that? So, but historically black churches were anchors embedded in the rhythm of the neighborhood, scaled to serve without overwhelming. Megastructures belonging to corridors built for mega traffic, not on narrow residential streets built for front porches and family cookouts. If we're serious about ministry, let's minister to the housing insecurity. If we're serious about worship, let's worship through workforce development. If we're serious about serving, let's serve the people who are struggling to stay in this very neighborhood. that they claim they want to uplift. Because the real crisis isn't lack of seating or churches for that matter, because there's 55. It's lack of stability. It's the elders on fixed income. It's the families facing rising property taxes. It's young parents choosing between groceries. Give me 30 seconds. Understood. We don't need bigger stages. We need bigger compassion. We don't need amplifying sound systems. We need amplified support systems. And we absolutely do not need development that disregards the character and safety of historic African community. Growth is not the enemy. Disrespectful growth is. Let's be clear, this community deserves thoughtful planning, infrastructure, impact analysis, and to be heard. And the last thing I'm going to say before I leave, if we want to talk about church, ask yourself, what would Jesus do?

After Ms. Gelser will be Rashawn Moore and then Jacqueline Guevara, please.

I'm going to ask one question. Where's the three-minute time limit? It doesn't reflect up there.

It should show up on the front down here.

Thank you very much. Ms. Gelser is going to be in compliance. That's all. Thank you, ma'am. I lost one of my pieces of paper. I'm getting a little young, y'all. Lawana Gelser, 815 Hill Street. Apples or oranges? History lesson. Notification of any change of zoning, anything. It used to be 1,000 feet. Then it went to 500 feet. Now it's 300 feet. My brothers and sisters, we need to understand when you're not at that table, you have been on the menu. And far too long, our community has been on the menu. I'm here to say... I am one of the only organizations in the country to receive an EPA-funded grant to study air quality monitoring in communities of color, 14 communities, even including zip code 32811. The units that I'm using are $50,000 plus. I'm working with the Winter Park co-location. So EPA has deemed the data that we're collecting is crucial. What are we measuring when we measure air quality? Oh, ozone, nitric dioxide, and particulate matter 2.5. Let me make it perfectly clear. The organization that I represent wouldn't have received the grant if we didn't have the proper data to back up that there's poor air quality in our communities. So when you're adding additional traffic, lack of infrastructure, you have not did a true environmental study impact, transportation impact, even a community impact. And I'm here to tell you, I'm certified. Last month, EPA, we passed our audit. So our data that we've been collecting over the last three years says there is a problem in our community. Now you want to add. Oh, I need to add one other thing. The data that we are collecting can be used in lawsuits. It can be used, but I don't want to sue anybody. I want to let you know you can't keep putting additional traffic in communities of color. You can't keep doing it. It's causing harm to our community. When a lady talked about cancer, we are in the 98th percentile of asthma. Respiratory issues. This is caused by a lot of traffic coming in and out to communities. I'm not against churches. My mom was an ordained minister. I'm against poor planning, poor development. That is what we're talking about. So I'm going to bring to my community and my friends the data to support what they're saying. Because evidently, when you see the data, you'll understand not against the project. It's against what it will do to the community. And there's one other thing. If you are 501c3 like most churches are, all major improvements is out of property taxes. Who pays the property taxes? Not the church, but the residents, the community. So I want to just say to you, I came to support, but I'm here to share data. This is a serious matter when it comes to our health. And please remember this, my brothers and sisters, don't go to sleep. They might change their name and come back in December and get it passed because they've done it to us on many occasions, especially the paramount community. So please wake up and stay on top of this and meet after the meeting because that's what you need to do. Thank you.

Good afternoon, board. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Rashawn Moore, and my address is 830 McFall Avenue, and I'm in District 5, and I am also the president of McFall Neighborhood Association that's right there in Paramore. You may ask, why are you here? You live in District 5. I'm here because I grew up Pretty much. I'm a Floridian. I grew up here in Florida all my life. My aunt, she moved from the Paramore area when Richmond Heights first started. So I pretty much grew up in Richmond Heights and grew up in District 6. So I know a lot of my friends that graduated high school and went to school live in District 6. But I'm not just here just for that. I'm here for the sake of just community. I am a woman of faith. I serve highly in my church. So I just want to just let the church know that, you know, I understand what vision is all about and I'm not knocking vision. But I am... Wanting them to understand there is a verse in the Bible that talks about Mark 12, 31. It talks about the second most important commandment is this. Love your neighbor as you love yourself. No other commandment is greater than this. And as you listen today to all the neighbors that are sharing from their soul, that are sharing from their heart, how this church is going to affect not just the church, just the whole community. the vision of what's to come because it's going to be greater than what we hear that's planned on paper. It's always going to be more than what's presented. Um, I just want them to understand that. Would you want that in your place? Would you want to wake up and deal with the things that the neighbors here are going to have to deal with? Um, the children that's crossing the streets and things like that. But also I want to look at it a little further. Have they thought about anything like, um, community impact? You know, we have a lot of the neighborhood associations, have they thought about how that's gonna impact the community? Are they ready to, what are they wanting to offer the community? Are they going to have officers at every intersection like First Baptist does? What are their safety measures? Have they thought about any of that stuff? And just like the lady said about the infrastructure, Ms. Maxwell, basically we need to have that stuff done in writing. about how those things are gonna be fixed. Because right now I have witnessed the flooding that all it takes is one storm and you cannot get down that one road that they're gonna be building that church on that is the main road for that church to get out of. So I'm just asking you board, please, if you have not, went down 1600 Aaron Avenue. So please put that on your list of things to go and see what the neighbors here are talking about so that you can have a visual and to picture yourself going through what the neighbors are going to have to deal with as we go through phase one, phase two, and then phase three. It's not just going to be a 1500 capacity. It's going to be the employees. It's going to be the visitors. 37. It's going to be all that. Thank you. I appreciate that. So thank you for listening to me. And you guys stay strong. You guys keep supporting one another. Make sure we stay connected. And my 30 seconds is going to be this. The information that they did as far as making the information known to the community, it was little to nothing. So we asked for future that they actually get with these association presidents that they get with some of these speakers that came up today to make sure that they actually get and make the notices with the commissioner to the community noticeable and enough time for people to come out to meetings.

Thank you, ma'am.

The next speaker is Jacqueline Guevara, followed by a Milena fan and then Cynthia Harris, please.

Good morning, everybody. My name is Jacqueline Guevara, and I was appointed by the Church Orlando Brazilian to represent them on this process. After we got out of the hearing last time, I thought about dates of how we could reach the majority of the community. So I got a couple of people from my church. We thought about a date since Saturday was not as popular when we did it. We decided to do it on February 2nd, which is a Monday at 7 p.m. and February 10 at 7 p.m. That's a Tuesday. But after we made the postcards, I asked my pastor to send a text message to Mr. Howard to ask him, what are the best dates for the community to be there? Because I've been telling the community that I really want them to be there. We want to hear them. So he texted him and he stated that he would prefer the 7th and the 14th. We could not do it on the 14th because the church already had a meeting planned before. So we agree on the 7th at 4 p.m. We distribute all the postcards by mail on february 22nd and i mean january 22nd i'm sorry january 22nd and i also requested to make more flyers so we can go door to door which i have pictures here that and a lot of people here saw me in the streets with a group of people that went in different streets I don't recall the names by head, but I have it in the pictures with highlighted areas that we were at. And on our last meeting on February 10, I explained the community because a lot of people were new and it was their first time and they were saying that they were not notified and some of them said that it was last minute. We made up... A big sign, three by six feet. Some of them said that they saw that and that's how they knew about the meeting, which that was the purpose of the post in front of the building. And I stood up and I explained whatever I did and. Ms. Cynthia Harris confirmed in front of everybody that, yes, I did everything I could. And I said, yes, because I am the church. It's not the person, it's not Jose or Pastor Ryan. I am one of the members of the Orlando Brazilian Church. And that's why I was appointed and I'm here. And I was at every meeting and trying to tell them what we are about. We are a church. We're here for the community. That's it. We don't want nothing else. We don't want to get into your homes. We don't want to do anything that is not supposed to. Thank you. Thank you.

The next speaker, Milena Phan, please. Followed by Cynthia Harris and the last speaker, Vicki Elaine Felder.

Good morning, everyone. I would like to address.

Name and address, please.

I'm sorry. My name is Malina Fun. I'm concerning the address at 4234 Poppy Kennedy, Orlando, Florida, 32811. I put, you know, my regards in Griding. So concerning regarding the proposed rezoning at 1600 Aaron Avenue, to whom it may concern, I am Griding to formally express my concern regarding the proposed rezoning and development at 1600 Aaron Avenue. As a teacher of our afterschool program in the community and someone actively involved with children and families in our community. I am deeply committed to preserving the safety character and quality of life in our neighborhood. While I respect the important role faith-based organizations serve, I am concerned that introducing another church facility, particularly one that includes or would like to include soccer field and expand outdoor activity areas will significantly alter the established residential nature of this area. There are already several churches operating nearby And I question whether an additional large scale assembly use is appropriate within this neighborhood setting. My primary concerns center around increased traffic, parking overflow, noise levels, and overall intensity of use. Regular services, special events, and recreational programming have the potential to draw substantial attendance from outside the immediate area. This could disrupt the privacy and quiet enjoyment that currently residents reasonably expect and may increase additional safety risks for children, pedestrians, and families who live here. I will also appreciate clarification regarding the long-term implications of the requested rezoning if approved. Will this change allow for expanded or alternative uses in the future, including residential, multi-use, or commercial activity? What specific safeguards, occupancy limits, traffic mitigation requirements, and enforcement mechanisms will be in place to protect surrounding homeowners? Our neighborhood is well established and many families made the decision to live here based on its current zoning designation and residential character. Any substantial change in land. Thank you, sir. Any substantial change in land use should be approached with a careful evaluation of both its immediate and long-term impacts on community stability. For this reason, I respectfully urge the planning board to deny the proposal rezoning. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you, ma'am.

If you're gonna use my name, use it in the proper context of what was actually said. I acknowledge that you passed out the flyers, but I didn't say you did a good job. Cynthia Harris, 12 Channing Avenue, Orlando, Florida, 32811. I'm here again today to formally oppose the proposed rezoning for the 500 seat church facility. At the previous meeting, it was deeply concerning to witness what appeared to be a dismissal of the commissioner who stood with the residents in opposition to this application. Such disregard undermines public confidence in this process and it sends the message that community-aligned leadership is neither valued or respected. If elected officials who advocate for their residents are disregarded, what chance does the average homeowner have? Although several meetings have occurred, they have been unproductive and at times offensive, demeaning, and dismissive of the legitimate community concerns. More troubling, the applicants. JJV Studios, identified as the architect, Jose James Venegas, and the Orlando Brazilian Seven Day Adventist Church have presented information that raises serious questions regarding accuracy and compliance from the inception of this project. They purchased this property because it's cheap. I gave y'all the addendum for you to review. Public records and record searches indicated that JJV Studios does not appear to be registered as an active business entity with the Florida Division of Corporations. Additionally, Mr. Jose Vengas does not appear to hold an active architectural license with the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation. If accurate, this raises significant procedure and ethical concerns. It is my understanding that commercial and public assembly products require properly licensed professionals and seal architectural documents for the planning board review and recommendation. Accepting architectural renderings from an unlicensed individual would compromise the integrity of the review process. You cannot ask the community to trust a process built on questionable credentials. They want to build a football society, which is a soccer field, a beach volley field, and a playground that would be located in the back of the property. Unacceptable. Finally, the scale intensity of a 500 seat facility in a historically African American residential community cannot be ignored. A development of this magnitude would generate substantial traffic, noise, parking, overflow, and periodic large scale gatherings. These impacts will directly affect the quality of life of long-term residents. The cumulative effect of such high-intensity land use in a vulnerable community raises broader concerns about displacement pressures and inequitable development patterns. This is how gentrification happens, not overnight, but through high-intensity approvals that strain long-term residents out. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Vicki Elaine Felder, please. And please state your address when you get to the podium.

Thank you so much.

Good morning. I am Vicki Elaine Felder. I'm a school board member for District 5, where the talent resides, Orange County School Board. I live in beautiful Washington Shores, and where this property is located is in my beautiful district, District 5. It is so apropos that at this time, we would begin to talk about property in during Black History Month. They promised us 40 acres and a mule. We still don't have that yet. And we're still fighting about property. Many of you have spoken so eloquently and beautifully about why we need to keep this property and why we don't need this kind of invasion. We were once way back on Bambi. They moved us west, west, west. And I thank you, brother, talking about Division Street, because many people don't understand what that meant. And then when you look at First Baptist on this side, then you want to bring the Seventh-day Adventists on that side. We are scrunched and just crowded. How can you do that when you think about the soul of people? Those of you that live in communities, did somebody bring a church on a piece of land this big to squeeze you? You asked the question, what would Jesus do? How would you feel? How would you feel? How would you feel somebody just coming in, taking your community? And we don't need any help. We have several churches in that community. We have centers in that community. When I think about this being Black History Month, and I think about the verses of Lift Every Voice and Sing, stony the road we trod, bitter the chastening rod, felt in a day that hope unborn had died. It's not going to be dead. We are the hope. We are the hope. And I tell you this, I am a Christian. I love Jesus with all my heart, but I'm telling you, just like the brother said, what would Jesus do? It's not about fighting a church, but why do you want to pick this... Huge conglomerate in a small space. Do you not care about the people that live there? The Bible says you treat your neighbor, you love your neighbor, you love yourself. Why are you really coming? What is the purpose? And when I think about my city commissioners that represent us, what is this doing to us as a community? It's not right. And those of you that know the words of prayer, because I know I know them, I am going to pray. And if I have to fast and sit in sackcloth and ashes, I would do that because this is not right. None of this about what is going on is right. I thank you for allowing me to come to speak. I thank those of you that are here and the support. And again, I am Vicki Lane, fellow school board representative district five, where the talent continues to reside. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Ma'am, I'm sorry, ma'am. Ms. Felder? I'm so sorry. That concludes the public speakers for today.

Thank you. Well, thank you. We're going to move to the applicant to talk before we do. Thank you all for coming out. I know everyone has a busy schedule. And thank you for supporting the community. We understand. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Dear members, thank you for your time. We just want to take up quickly six points just to kind of clarify some of the questions. Number one, JJV Studio has been consulting as the owner's representative and all documentation submitted to the committee and to the application to Mr. Jim Burnett is under registered licensed officials. Number one, this is not a three-story church. If you look at the application, we're limited to the residential height limit, which is 35 feet. Number two, this is not a mega church, nor is it intended to be a 750-person church. Nowhere in the records does it show 750. The item in question here today is phase one, which is a 250-person community-level church. If we want to proceed with any of the further phases, we have to return. number three the traffic report is clear and i'm going to submit page 15 of the report from the traffic engineer and a memo currently submitted by them unfortunately they couldn't attend today they had other hearing uh hearing um scheduled hearing scheduled um that page clearly states that there's no significant increased traffic impact Number four, we made every reasonable attempt to reach out. We had three meetings, as you've heard today. And as you can see here today, we've been able to generate good participation in commentary. Number five, we've submitted our hours of operation. And so we will not be using the property as a 24-hour location. The final one is number six, we're obliged to follow all the requirements for drainage and civil site work design and any kind of infrastructural impact under the conditions in the code should this application be able to move forward and we intend to do so. I'm gonna invite the owner who would like to just read a statement on our behalf.

We chose to do a statement this morning because it is not our intention to inflame. It is not our intention to bring concern, but we would like to address some of the things that have been said. We want to, again, by acknowledging the concerns expressed by the residents throughout this process. We understand that issues such as traffic, neighborhood character, and future development patterns are deeply important to those who live in close proximity to the subject property. Community input is critical component of the planning process, and we do not dismiss the concerns raised. In direct response to the Minnesota Planning Board's recommendation under continuance of our application, we undertook expanded community engagement efforts beyond the minimum requirements within the 30-day window. Specifically, we held not one meeting, but three meetings. to present the project answer questions and invite feedback posted a large banner on the property to ensure visible public notice of the proposed development and meeting dates distributed as many invitation as reasonably possible to nearby residents mailed reminder notices to the mailing list provided by the city, placed additional invitations at local convenience stores to broaden awareness, and emailed and texted neighborhood association representatives to ensure leadership level notification and distribution. These efforts were undertaken in good faith and in compliance with the board's direction to further engage the community. While we recognize that not every resident may have received direct notice, we believe the cumulative outreach efforts reflect a reasonable and diligent attempt to inform and involve the surrounding neighborhood. During these meetings and outreach efforts, we specifically asked the residents for constructive feedback, potential modifications, and whether any version of this project would be acceptable. The answer was no. The concerns most frequently raised were related to traffic impacts and that ultimately the church intended to take over their community. In response to the traffic concern, we commissioned a professional engineering traffic study in accordance to the city rules and regulations. Our engineer sat down with the city and said, okay, what do you want in this report? How do you want it to be accomplished? The findings concluded that the proposed use would not material alter the traffic conditions or level of service in phase one. Despite this objective analysis, concerns remain. In response to these concerns, the church added an additional layer of traffic control onsite through a TOP to alleviate any possible onsite backups that might cause stacking during peak hours. We also reiterate that the purpose use is consistent with the mission of the community orientation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which is known for healthcare leadership, community service initiatives, food assistance programs, and wellness outreach, particularly in the Orlando area. I thought about bringing many members here to speak on behalf of all the good things that the Seventh-day Adventist Church does, but we wanted to respect that time and we wanted to respect this board. The intent of this facility extends beyond worship. It is envisioned as a community oriented resource aligned with those specific and service values. Ultimately, we are seeking the ability to use our property. In accordance with the land development regulations established by the city of Orlando, we have approached this process with the intent to be responsible property owners, complying with the adopted standards, following city procedures, and engaging the community as directed. To do so, we require a zoning designation that permits the lawful, by right use, consistent with the city's comprehensive plan and development code. We respectfully ask the board to evaluate this application based on objective land use criteria, the professional evidence submitted, and the documented outreach efforts undertaken in response to your direction. And we will submit to you the pictures and documentation of the process that we did follow to show that we have done and are in compliance with what you've asked us. Thank you.

Thank you.

right before we close public hearing are there any questions that need to be answered from the applicant uh miss moreno yes i have this question for the applicant on the traffic study can you or or even staff if um if staff is available just to clarify the no significant increase in traffic for phase one, but when do we see the level of service start to drop for those access roads?

SURE, I'LL READ TO YOU VERY QUICKLY THE STUDY CONCLUSIONS. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE 380 DAILY TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY, OF WHICH 17 AND 25 TRIPS WILL OCCUR DURING THE A.M. P.M. PEAK HOUR. THE DAILY WEEKEND TRIPS ARE ESTIMATED TO GENERATE 245, OF WHICH 135 WILL OCCUR DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR. THE ANALYSIS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS INDICATED THAT THE STUDY ROADWAY SEGMENTS DURING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR AND THE WEEKEND AM PEAK HOURS CURRENTLY OPERATE AT SATISFACTORY LEVELS OF SERVICE. THESE ROADWAYS WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT SATISFACTORY LEVELS OF SERVICE WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. The intersection capacity analysis conducted for the weekday PM peak hour and weekend AM peak hour reveals that the study intersections currently operate at an overall acceptable level of service and will continue to do so upon completion of the project. The project is proposed to be accessed via full access connections on Erin Avenue, a full access gated driveway connection on Ivy Lane. The site access driveways are proposed to operate satisfactorily upon the completion of the project. The turn lane analysis revealed that the site access driveways on Erin Drive and Ivy Lane do not require separate left or right turn lanes.

Just to follow up, and just so we can be respectful of the speaker, if we could just kind of minimize the chatter, just so we can hear everyone. What is the, because it says acceptable levels of traffic. So I don't have a copy of the study, but do you know what they were using as the criteria? Is it existing conditions? um you know what's the elevation i'm going to allow the sea traffic to take that

Mr. Jacques Colon, who is our Transportation Planning Division, would try to answer your questions.

Okay. Good morning. Yes, so to directly answer the question, the City of Orlando is in a traffic concurrency exception area. So we have a citywide level of service default, anything E or above. So it's kind of like grades at school. A is... You're doing awesome. Honestly, I don't think anybody wants to pay for an A road all the time. That means there's never traffic. You basically never see a car. All the way through F. And E and above meets our standards for capacity and for operations. So it doesn't mean that there's never a delay. It just means sometimes that it... you know, it kind of ebbs and flows through the day. For this study, so this study, as was mentioned, was for looking at the full build-out, not just phase one. Okay, good. And with the full build-out, there were four intersections, you know, those closest to the facility. All four were found to still operate at a level of service of D, which again, for the city of Orlando is well within our level of service. And what that means is that, yes, there may be some delays, but it's not excessive delays. And then also just in terms of context for phase one, While the, let's see, the weekend trips with about 245, if we look at just about 250 seats, we would anticipate similar size churches would generate about 130 trips versus the 200, you know, give or take with that much larger facility. Is the existing condition level of service D? I believe so, but I can definitely confirm.

I think that seems to be, you know, the recurring, you know, angst of the community. So maybe kind of explaining that would would help. you know, appease the situation. The other thing I wanted to ask is during construction, are there specific access roads that the contractors have to use to minimize the construction traffic?

So that is something that are, again, with the city of Orlando Transportation Department, we have a whole team that works on maintenance of traffic. And for each project, if there are, I guess, two parts to it, if they have to improve any intersections, any roadways, we'd coordinate with them to make sure that we keep as much capacity open at those intersections. And then we will work with a lot of developers and on projects. specific access points. A lot of it depends on where they're constructing on the site and the potential impacts surrounding. But that is something that our MOT team works on with the developer through the permitting process.

Thank you.

All right. Thank you. And just a reminder in order, I'd like to close the public hearing if we don't have any additional questions for the applicant, and we will still have the staff available to ask questions during our deliberations.

Oh, wait, I have one follow up question for the applicant before he. And so another question that the community had, and I would like the applicant to address this fully is kind of why they chose this site and why they feel this site is beneficial to their operations as opposed to a more commercial site.

So thank you. I would love an opportunity to answer that question. So this is a church that actually had been searching for a home for close to three years. They are already in the Orlando area. They looked at different areas. They specifically looked at where their members are located. And they said, okay, let me evaluate properties that are in that specific location that we view as a meeting point of all of those different places. As was already mentioned earlier, we do have other churches. We have a Haitian church. We have an English church. We have a Spanish church. all within 10 miles of that location. We have Seventh-day Adventist families living up to 130 families within about a 10-mile radius of that. And so it's not like we're not already in those communities. The question was this specific church, like any other, while we are owned as one corporation, Each of these churches pay for these buildings. It's not like the church pays for it. It's not like I'm giving them millions of dollars. The reality is every church is made up of hardworking people that eat rice and beans to be able to build their church. And again, it's the dream of every church to uh to to have a home church right now they rent and so they're traveling from one place to another based on what their needs are so when this property on erin avenue came up we had conversations with the city again our first application and we came in and we said we want to be in compliance and we actually submitted for 200. That was our original documentation. But as we talked about it, our church is looking at investing in this property. And again, they want to be able to know that their home isn't just for one year or two years, but that they can invest in a community. They can build relationships. And if I outgrow the facility in three years, then I don't have that opportunity. And I also don't believe that the heart is in the same place. So our church looked for a site that has the ability to meet their current needs as well as future needs because they intend to invest and to make this part of the community. And so with that, the property was up for sale. They evaluated the property. This was an existing school. This was operating Monday through Friday. This is not residential land in the fact that there's buildings already constructed there. It had a purpose. We had a use. And we saw that this site was consistent with the size of the organization that we're working with right now. And so with that, they evaluated all of that. They prayed over it and they believe that God was calling them to select this location. Thank you.

Thank you.

Public hearing, please.

Excuse me, this is out of order for a public hearing. Please sit down.

He called up in the meeting that purpose for them to buy that property because it sat between the two largest Brazilian communities. That is what he called it. I'm sorry about that.

Please, please, this hearing is conducted with Robert's Rules of Order and there's a level of decorum. Please, I'm warning everyone, please. Please, the conversation is on the dais now with this board, please.

Thank you all. With that, we will, just to make it clear, we are closing public hearing procedures and we will bring it back to the board. And the rest of the conversation will happen with staff if we were to ask. We do appreciate your support and participation. With that, it's here with the board. It's open for discussion, motions. If we have questions, please direct them to the staff.

I would just notice the level of service D that was mentioned in the report. There wasn't a degradation of level service. 135 trips in the peak hour on a Saturday, roughly is a 2.25 on average per minute car that happens to go onto and off the site. Obviously, this site was previously used as a another institutional use. And then phase one, which the staff have put forward for recommendation of approval, is limited to 250 uses. It's just the reuse of the other, of the buildings that are previously existing.

Thank you. Any questions, discussion from the board? If you'd like, please use the request to speak function on your screen. Board Member Reed.

So just, I guess, observation. I think we asked them to go back to the community and it seems like that's been done. It definitely seems like maybe there's an impasse at what I think, I don't think we can disapprove. I mean, it's an R1 zoning. It seems that this is a vacant property. Again, it's a phase one. I would be in support of approving it.

Board Member Bashan.

Thank you. I don't usually prepare notes, but I had a long string of thoughts here that I would like to just try to put together. As we heard from the applicants, there's a threshold of 200 seats that our code prescribes for. And if that facility had been brought with 200 seats or less, it would fit perfectly with this neighborhood, then it would be classified as a neighborhood facility. um however that's not what happened so even on phase one that neighborhood threshold is exceeded so it's um the state the staff report says that in the first phase and i'm paraphrasing here in this first phase the design is closer to a neighborhood scale than a community scale well closer to is not how our codes work once you exceed a certain threshold, your code places you in the next category that you're evaluated for, which in this case will be a community facility. And that community facility would require access from a collector or tier road. We heard all of that from the staff report. Because that wouldn't fit the location of this particular property, PD has been proposed. And I understand perfectly that this board is being asked only to approve that first phase. However, we cannot, well, I also understand that the staff report has been amended to require that any future phases should be brought to this or future boards. However, we cannot ignore the fact that the ultimate facility that is being proposed on the PD is a community scale facility, not a neighborhood scale facility. And if we were to recommend approval today of phase one alone, any future boards or anybody else would have this additional burden that we do have a prior approval. It's no different than what we just faced earlier today with the approval of phase two of a project that already had prior approvals. And we cannot guarantee that that build-out scenario is a neighborhood facility. Now, according to the Religious and Land Uses and Institutional Persons Act, we are required to consider only the facts. And the staff report clearly states that the community opposition alone is not a sufficient legal basis for the denial. But in my opinion, the opposition that we have witnessed here today is nothing more than a reflection or the fact that this proposal exceeds the neighborhood scale in which it's located and the parameters that are already prescribed in the land development code for that neighborhood context. So with that in mind, I cannot support this on the grounds of compatibility and with the surrounding urban fabric and the scale of the proposed development. Thank you.

Thank you. Board Member Kendrick-Trader.

I think Commissioner Bastian read my mind. I'd like to divide my comments up into two. I believe we need to approve the future land use, and I support approving the future land use. So they have to have a future land use. We got to do something there. And they also have to have a zoning. So I'm going to take my next series of comments down to the PD. I do, I don't understand why, um, we would go beyond the, the, uh, I believe it's the neighborhood, um, level assembly for phase one. Um, I hear your concerns for the, for the next level up of public assembly. There's a criteria they're supposed to be on larger roads, uh, and other items. So what I would feel comfortable is approving phase one is the neighborhood. assembly use with the option for them to request approval as a community. And I apologize if I'm getting, it's the 200 versus the 500. So the 200, they meet the criteria for. I feel comfortable approving that, that the property meets the criteria for that level use. I feel comfortable if they have to come back to go to the next level, which is up to 500, under some, whether it's master plan or rezoning, that that gets evaluated for that type of use. So I know this isn't my most articulate answer. comment that I've ever made. But that's where I am. I support the future land use. I would feel comfortable approving that. I feel comfortable with the PD approval at the neighborhood level with the option to come back for the increased density through another process, whether it's the master plan for the additional or whatever we want to call it.

Thank you. I'll go ahead and chime in. I agree with both of you. I'm in alignment. I think that, you know, a word that I heard a lot in the public comments was compromise. I think that it's clear that compromise has not been met or found. But I do agree. So I'll be brief because it's going to be redundant. But I think 200 seats is the threshold that would be allowed otherwise. And I think that is a compromise. We hear the word neighborhood, not community scale. That's been repeated. And I think that that is... well within the threshold of compromise and logic within the code that we have in front of us and understand that they're going for a planned development that would allow for things to increase that is still the compromise because of course they would have to come back here in this same forum and debate that at that time and anyone could do that at any point anyway so that would be a requirement moving forward that this forum, this setting, this exact process would have to be undergone to increase to anything beyond 200 seats and the uses that are daycares, sports facilities, etc. All that would be included in a next step. So what we're really talking about is a 200 seat neighborhood scale church that fits the context and scale of the neighborhood that we're discussing. So with that, I would just say I would be in support of a condition like that in alignment with fellow board members so far. It looks like we have board member Moreno with a comment.

I have a question really about the 200 seats. So the church, if we deny, are they able to build the church that they want, a 200 capacity church?

What's happened here is the city has put forward a recommendation to you for a 250 person church to reuse the existing secular buildings as a religious institution in line with federal law, essentially. There are requirements from our local perspective, the neighborhood one being at 200 and to treat it equally to what was previously there. That's why we suggested the 250 person capacity. Now to increase that to 500 or whatever, they could limit their capacity for a congregation that meets at this facility. And it would be up to them whether or not their congregation rooms as it goes through the permitting process would be limited at that amount essentially. And then they would have to make a further application to come back before the board as a de novo hearing or brand new project for lack of a better term as it comes forward. just to explain what their options would be.

But Jason, Mr. Chairman, if I can just add to that. If we deny it, right now they have no city zoning. So Jason, can you explain the ramifications of that? They would not be able to build 200 seats because they have no city zoning.

There's two issues before you, both the future land use, which, you know, Arlupa, we need the lowest intensity designation within the city of Orlando is the residential low intensity, which would still be compatible with this particular church use. So that should be... And it's just the same as everyone else enjoys in the neighborhood. It's the same future land use designation. So that should be relatively easy for you to make a decision like the Schrader mentioned. But then it comes down to those issues, I think, for what you would like to see in the future or whether you think that equivalency makes sense to grant this church at this time as staff has put forward. That helps Melissa. Perfect. That's your question. I'm hoping miss Marina.

Any additional discussion.

So just a question, Jason. So should we separate then this request?

You should take two different votes on each of these items. So you would act first probably on A and then take up the motion on B. And if there's any discussion for the B, which is the more complicated one, you can continue that discussion.

So A is for the future land use designation?

Okay, so I move that we approve the future land use designation from public recreational institutional to residential low intensity. Second.

All right, we have a motion by Board Member Marino, a second by Board Member Kendrick-Schrader on just item A, which is the future land use designation. All those in favor, please unmute your mic and say aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that portion passes unanimously. We can now move on and discuss to item B only, which is the zoning portion or entertain a motion there as well with any conditions applied. I personally would be in favor of As we, as we discussed here at the dais to move forward with the rezoning as stated with the exception or the condition added to it, that the limitation be in alignment with the definition of neighborhood scale assembly, which was 200 seats, but open to discussion.

Do we need input from the applicants to see if they agree with that condition or no?

If you'd like to speak with the applicant, you may, of course, if it's the chair's pleasure.

So just a yes or no question. Would you be agreeable to a 200 limit for phase one?

I'm sorry, sir. I'm just trying to think through the implications of this. While I am the director and the leader for the state, I have a local church that purchased this property. So I'm just trying to think through what the best answer to your question is. Pastor Martin.

I'm going to try to help you here. So in front of us, we have one particular dilemma, right? Which is if we consider you to be a neighborhood church, you're perfectly within character. However, this PD is considering the overall scenario for a community level, which then brings all of the transportation issues. So as I mentioned before, If there is that limit of 200, which will place you under that neighborhood category, then it makes this decision easier for us because we're now categorizing you under what is already recognizing the code as a neighborhood facility.

So I'm going to go with yes. I am willing to accept the 200. Okay.

And so if that is the case, so what I'm going to suggest to the board is that if there is a PD and we're approving phase one, that phase one is categorized under the neighborhood facilities. Any additional development exceeding the neighborhood classification would require approval by future boards. But I think it has to be made very clear that this board had concerns with the fact that a community level facility, well, and I'm going to speak for the board here, I'm speaking for myself, but I think that reflects the sentiment of the board that a community level facility does not fit the context of this neighborhood.

Yeah, and you could say that it would be a de novo hearing in your mission, you know, so that new information would come into the process. Maybe there's different experiences once this church is already put into place. Yes, thank you.

I just have concerns that obviously between the church and the community, there exists a lot of distrust. So I think allowing the church to say yes and then having them move forward, obviously they want to pick a spot where they can ultimately continue to invest and grow. And clearly, as the board, what's within our power to do is just to look at the code. Unfortunately, we understand the passion, but looking at the code, we can only focus on what is applicable to the code and if we're doing the right thing. And I just see that if we approve it, it might be a gateway that will continue to create the strife between the community because they would incrementally keep changing the code, which is ultimately, you know, not the goal and kind of not in our purview to do unless we want to increase, you know, the ability of the applicant to do so by saying, yes, we approve this and then having them come back and then changing it. I personally would be in favor of denying this request based on the application. And that's not... That's not to understanding that there are both sides to this and having the applicant look for a property that this growth, because I do think personally it is a beneficial use, but so that the vision of the church and the service of the church to the community to the members would be fear for them as well as for the community so i would move that we uh deny zoning before before you do with an actual um motion

I just like to clarify something more to the public than for us here. But the purpose of this board is not to give the ultimate denial or approval of anything. What we're giving is a recommendation to the city council, right? So I had mentioned this on my last request that I had recommended a denial. And the grounds for my denial on that case were exactly the ones that you're mentioning now, which is We don't believe that approving a PUD that is ultimately designed to create a regional facility is appropriate for this condition. That's why I had recommended denial. So if we were to recommend a denial tonight, or I'm sorry, this morning, my usual meetings are at night. So if we were to recommend it, all it means is that you will go to the city council with our recommendation denial for their vote. And so obviously you have to come back and be present for that vote if you want your voice heard. So, Unless we have more comments, I think we should probably do two motions. One for the denial first, see if it passes or not. Then if not, then we'll go for a second recommendation, similar to what we did last time, which would then create a PD or move forward with the proposed PD with the condition of 200 for first phase and further approvals for further phases.

Yeah, I agree with your path. Before we do that, Board Member Reed has a comment.

Yeah, I think my comment is just, you know, obviously we have the public here today, but we also have, I think, you know, a landowner, a property owner that has rights to, you know, develop their property in some capacity. So I would say, one, let's just not lose sight of that fact that We're trying to interpret what is best for the neighborhood and for the property owner. I think the fact that they have compromised with a reduction from 250 to 200 also shows that they're acting in good faith, in my opinion. So I just throw that out.

Thank you. And then board member Kendrick Schrader.

Yeah, I was just going to say, to your point, I mean, they have to have some type of comp plan. They have to have some type of zoning. I believe if we gave them a residential zoning, they could come in for a CUP. I mean, we just approved a 500-person church in the middle of College Park under a CUP. So at least under the PD zoning, they're going to the commission and... We're actually approving less than we did in the middle of College Park at the 200 with the option for the remainder to come back. So I feel pretty comfortable with the recommendation and the process that this is going through and the evaluation that it's going to be seen.

I would say another avenue I agree. So another step in the process is what we're looking for to check and balance anything above 200, a neighborhood scale, which I think the board agrees is all, you know, I think a majority agrees that the neighborhood scale is appropriate for the context and form for that community. I think another avenue could be that we could suggest that the entire master plan being submitted has a cap of 200 seats for the assembly. Of course, there's other uses. There's a daycare suggested in that. There's sports facilities, which are all going to increase traffic. So there's that to balance, too. in those phases. But if we wanted to, we could say it's 200 across the board. And then again, that triggers the need to come in for a PD amendment, which I think would be similar to suggesting that they go after a different zoning category. And I don't know that I want to make that decision for them. So I think if we get to that point, We're heading towards, once again, a deferral and tabling it because we're not going to make a decision on what the applicant wants to do on the fly for their zoning unless, of course, they suggest it here. So my recommendation is, you know, if we want to do that and put a stronger check and balance on the number of seats, it would be limiting it to a neighborhood scale for the entire master plan, not just phase one.

And don't forget, you have to call the question on the future land use first before you.

Oh, we did that. Did you guys do that? We did.

We did. That's been approved.

Yeah.

So I'll leave it there. And ask if anybody has a comment on that or a motion in that regard. And if not, I can stage a motion in the character of what I just described.

Mr. Chair, is there a motion on the floor from Board Member Moreno?

Okay, so I think we have a motion to deny first.

Okay, did we get a second on that? Because I don't recall there being a motion.

I interrupted her to make my point. Sorry, I thought she was just describing her position. Would you like to post a motion again? Okay.

My apologies.

I move that we deny the PD rezoning as stated. Okay.

I can second that motion. So it's a motion to deny the PD request.

Yes, we have a motion from Board Member Moreno in denial. We have a second from Board Member Bastian.

We're going to go one by one so we can hear everyone.

Starting with Ms. Kendrick-Schrader.

Nay. Nay.

Nay.

Nay. Nay. Nay.

And as a result of three to two, and as a no, the motion fails.

Two motions. All right. So now I can propose the second motion then. So the second motion will be for us to have a PD approval with the following conditions. Number one is that at phase one, or do you want, uh, would you like to have it a full cap for, or because like we asked them about the first phase, not the full cap. So I don't want to. There's a motion here that will go against it.

Thank you for describing that. I think the difference of what we're doing here is really a different step. If we were to approve the PD with a maximum of 500 seats as described today, you would still have to come back for a master plan approval just like today. If we capped it at 200 for the entire property, so full phase, You'd once again have to come in, but it is another step in the process because you'd be amending a PD and submitting a new master plan. Would you be favorable to that?

So unfortunately at this time, the answer would be no. We would like the right that if the streets were updated, if the infrastructure was updated to be able to use our parcel in the way that we dream for our future there. So unfortunately I cannot agree to that today.

Okay, so that answers my question and that the answer for the second motion then will be the limitation on 200 for phase one alone, which is what we agreed with the applicant. and uh maintaining all the other original um proposed entitlements except that any future development past phase one we have to come back to uh consideration by the board again including all the other staff recommendations including all the other staff recommendations thank you all right and if you don't mind i'll restate so the motion would be approve the pd

As written with the condition added that phase one be capped at 200, any subsequent changes to the master plans or subsequent phases that would come through that would reach the 500 seat capacity that is within the request would have to come through a master plan approval in this forum and with council once more and subject to all other conditions in the staff report. And if that's correct, I'll entertain a motion. All right, so we have a motion from board member Bastian.

A second?

I will second. All those in favor, please unmute your mic and say aye. Roll call.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Nay. Nay.

And that motion passes three to two. Thank you, everyone, for your participation. And we do not have any other business for today. No appeals update. So with that, we will adjourn the meeting at 1210 p.m. Thank you very much.