Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

in here in southwest storm, we've got 34, we've got this M1 zoning that's been put in place, but a lot of this is already still in the OS5 um zoning designation. But in here, you have all of these different that same section that's all um OS5 is in these different categories in our general plans, land use map. So you have low density residential, you have low density residential southwest. If you guys remember that from when it came up with the um the whitest stone reszone um low density residential southwest is this odd subcategory that I think the text never made it in made it to the map but not with text. Um so that's an interesting one. So just think of it as low density residential and then light industrial. This has actually been reszoned right here. Medium density residential. And then this one segment uh where our application tonight is of community commercial and then skip done reszone and this is the holiday oil right so here's whitest stone to put it in context a little bit and the autism academy um going back to the zoning again you have these different sections that are zoned whitest stone has been reszoned to R8 as well but um and that's that M1 that we're looking at but again all of this area up in here is still in the OS5 okay So, to to kind of look at the the transportation stuff that's happening there, um that you will see tonight with the um the Johnson Farm zone. Geneva Road has long been kind of the north south way around in this area, but the the um plan is for this lake view pathway to be built and that would extend south into Provo and go directly to the airport. Is that

with I-15 at the east? I15 and the airport. So that becomes kind of the main thoroughfare back and forth on the west side for the airport and the I-15 corridor. Geneva road some pressure would come off Geneva Road that way. As a part of that, zoom in a little. I can't really zoom in on that, but

that's all right. As a Oops. As a part of that, uh, Geneva Road, we make this cut off right there, and it extends then to that Lake View Parkway. And then oddly it goes back up to Geneva Road as well. But that triangle that's formed right there. Next slide. That triangle that gets formed is where the John's farm zone is happening. That's that segment that you see on your applications tonight. Does that make sense? Kind of to put it in in context. So that's why that happens there. That makes that triangle and that's the portion within this larger OS5 that they're asking to reszone. So, uh, we wanted to make sure you kind of had an opportunity to look at all of these different, um, transportation projects that are happening in this area or are slated for this area. Most of them are, would it be fair to say most of them are U DOT driven or is I mean guess a couple of them are hours and provos, but U dot.

Well, go back to colorcoded by ownership. Oh, there you go. Perfect. green dot blue was us red's provo perfect. So it's a mix. Yeah. So the stuff going around the stuff happening around project tonight on tonight's active agenda is mostly UD do but it's connected to what we're doing as well. But UD do wants does do UD do has been partners with us in this lake park. Right. The green meets the blue. Yeah. If you looked at the county parcel map, you'll see that you not already owns that part. And as with we have the blue, most of the blue right away, not all of it.

Yeah. And then the triangle parcel question tonight, there's no access off of Geneva or Lake View. It all comes off the new that Goldwing type area doesn't have any. Everything comes off of the old Geneva. Okay. So everything on the project tonight would come off of old Geneva, not the new extensions. And that little tiny road would stay is going to stay a little tiny road through that segment. The old Geneva stuff just just right there. This connector right here. Geneva would stay. Is that getting rid won't connect one side? It'll probably connect to one side and cut off on the other this segment anymore. The old segment of Geneva, I think.

Yeah, into it. I would imagine. So you would actually if you want to stay on Geneva, you will have to make that change. You will have to come down this way and then back up. Yes. That wasn't clear to me whether that was going to be the case. Eventually that'll be the case. At best the local road that will be probably culat on one side and just local access on the south side. And you're just for clarification, you're saying the project that's coming before us tonight has no access to either of the Lake View Parkway or the Let me zip ahead in the slides and show you. Okay, we're going to zip ahead.

There's just a little additional history. So before Lake View Parkway was conceived, there was always discussions about how do we expand Geneva Road for future traffic needs and it was always constrained. And you know it's just how many homes do we have to take? How much property we have to take. So when lake park was finally constructed about 2012 then the dialogue changed that oh now we don't have you do sort of shift course at that point said we're going to shift our focus from trying to expand Geneva road the entire corridor and put all our energy into building and completing Lakeshore Parkway. And so anything south of that new intersection probably going to stay pretty much the same for the foreseeable future in terms of right away anyway.

Yeah. So let me get back to So there's a traffic light planned where it breaks off. So this this portion right here is the new lake view that makes the connection. Lake Shore. I keep saying Lake View. Is that Lake Shore? Lake View Lake. Lake View. And this is Geneva here. Geneva.

Yeah. And Le Parkway runs from I-15 at south end of Provo to the airport and then northwards and then dead ends at the Provo High School area and then it will, you know, as these segments are constructed, Pro finish their part or finish their part and Geneva is working on their part right now. Right. And that's pretty long range, right? It's not that that's not all happening immediately. Provo is actively building their section. We are trying to get land acquired and that flags us. Um you do stopped at the temple and is going to do this phase two at some point. So it's probably provo first us in timeline.

So provos is happening sooner than later and our our sigma cure will take a while. That one's pretty well done, isn't it? The uh it's just not wide enough. They only have like a two room so they're building it out widthwise. It comes up to here currently. is under construction. It is. How many acres is that little triangle? It is uh you four something 4.46 4.43 just over four. Thank you. Great.

Um so yeah, there you go. Um looking at that segment, I hope that kind of helps. I know for us we one thing I wanted to show you here cuz this was a question that um Maline and I were talking about the that segment that you see it makes this triangle right here right and there's a little stub that goes out to the sort of northwest that would eventually the hope is that that will connect and go west these are future future roads this is all unincorporated county right now but in the master transportation plans this is part of our master transportation plan we would assume that these roads will might happen they would be developer driven. Um, so as development comes, we would anticipate these would be the major roads we would want to see happen to play. Uh, but all of that would happen, you know, at some future date. So,

how how far south does Vineyard come? Oh, that's a good question. Let's see. Vineyard so far. Yeah. Don't have a map that shows that. there. This vineyard coming around. Yeah. Well, this vineyard up in here very far away. That's us. We'll link to the county website on there if you need it. Oh, yeah. Well, I can Well, actually, we just do this. So, if the intention is to go into that county land, should that as an annexation be part of what our consider our general plan? Should it be part of if you're asking should it be part of our annexation plan?

Yes. our annexation plan. But like our declaration of declaration of what area the park it's all this is in our declared annexation area. That's why we planned this road network so that as things were annexed developer pools would come in we had policy that would guide the major street grid. That was the intention with the street grid for development, for housing, for connectivity at this point. Connectivity. Yeah, it doesn't the land use itself that goes in between those streets. We have to figure it out. But yeah,

we figure it out. But this would be as you look at the coloring, these [clears throat] are these are minor arterial roads. Usually these are not your neighborhood roads. your neighborhood roads or your even business roads for industrial would go inside of those super blocks. So these are sort of the this is the grid framework and then development largely happen within that grid framework. I also noticed on the side it says open space easement. Yes, that is a a conservation easement that the property owner imposed on themselves. Okay.

Gives them some tax benefits and Unless there are some ways that they could end their easement, but the goal is for that to be in conservation space perpetually. And would that transfer with city annexation? Um, that all depends on he probably, you know, as long as he owns it, I don't think he would ever propose to be annexed. Mhm. Um, usually when there's a conservation easement, there is a conservator agency like oh I can't remember the state agencies or something.

Yeah, sometimes they're nonprofits like you know conservation I forget the name of it. Um that certainly it's still in our policy to annex it if that air does partition theiction and so we plan this road network in the event that some reason the conservation ema ends or potentially annex it anyways because we have some type of need you know to put a utility line in or I don't know just trying to understand that thank you is that you talked about with Whitest Stone, Cherry Cherry Hill Farm, whatever it's called. I think they're the same property. They own both the same owner.

Okay. Now, that's to be differentiated from there's some properties in the north that have green belt status. That's not a conservation easement. It's more of a cat status county.

Okay. Um, other things we should talk about. Let's see. Uh, let's see. Becca, you wanted to look at Oh, well, I was just saying that there's the there's the county parcel maps if you needed to pull up all the parcels and see how they're painted out already. Yeah. So, these are all these are all links and I can send this page to you all just by email after if you ever want to just go to these uh and and take a look at them. Um, transportation plan, all of that as well. So, but yeah, Vineyard is further north. That map that top. I'm sorry.

Sorry. The map that's shows all the orange. That's the last page of the the next one. But there you go. That's in the master plan. It's the very last page of the transportation document. So, want to get to that in one. This is the last page on there. Okay. Page 170. Don't print pages one through 170. That's [laughter] Yeah. Doesn't stop.

Exactly. Um, hey, so that's the transportation aspect of this. I hope that kind of helps put in context the U Johnson farms reszone. This little section tonight is about helps kind of understand that. But any questions other questions at this point about about the transportation part of it? Well, you you call it the old Geneva road straight. Yeah, it's sitting here and that's that's going to be retained as a what? It's uh it will stay as I'm as I'm understanding it. I I it looks for all the world like it just continues to go through but it it won't I guess. So eventually it'll be it'll be

it'll still be there, but it won't be accessible from both sides. And so you won't be able to take it through anymore. So if you want to if you're going southbound and you want to stay on Geneva Road, you will turn down here. You'll be on this connection to Lake View Drive or Lake View Parkway. And then if you want to stay on Geneva, you'll make a left and come back up onto Geneva Road. And uh what would be the reason why that you couldn't go straight? I mean, is all those homes on the street need access still? Okay. But I wonder So it'll still it'll still be there will be vacated and gone, but more like a road. Yeah. I I see why it's not going to be connected still. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's the road still be they don't want the through traffic. They want all the traffic

going down this way, funnel to this intersection. And so there will be they will likely cut this off, dead end it, cut it right off.

There probably be a local access to this the remainder of the road from down in this area away from the intersection because the closer you have intersections to the main intersection creates additional turning point conflicts and other issues. Right, John? He's he's the expert on just you know but um [clears throat] so likely they'll cut this off. This has more freedom as far as reduced turning lane conflicts if you want to get into this to service these homes. Come down here jump back onto the old Geneva to access these properties. I was at the U do application for access meeting and UD do is control of where they get access to the old Geneva road and so their access management standards are stricter than ours and so they have to get a UD do permit to get access to Geneva old Geneva. So they go through that process. They may or not bring that up, but if you they do have to get UD do's permission to go to old Geneva and there is an unknown future of what Geneva will look like, whether it's the old stub or all the way down to Provo. There's debate on land ownership changes, but no one's there yet.

That's interesting. Most of it's Provos. You [clears throat] ownership changes. You agree with the thinking of you do what they're doing or not? I agree. They Well, it's not your place to do that necessarily, but are they depends what you're talking about. Okay. Um if you're talking about, you know, they're aligning Lake View with us and Provo

other than that um they're giving access to this parcel, which was fine. Yeah. I mean, I agree with that where their access locations are two or three. And then after that south on Geneva to Provo, they're just negotiating uh you know there's no curb and gutter and sidewalk. And so Provo mainly and you are kind of gone back and forth about what that what that looks like in the future and there's not any decisions. Yeah, these are still quite a ways out these roads and these road changes. Yeah,

I think you noticed in and if you notice in Becca's staff report, it talks about each project and it'll say there's no start date pinpointed for this particular project yet, etc. They're they're a ways out.

We've got $14 million through MAG to do our portion of Lake View. Probably been 10 years since we started the process and the money's here now. Um, we're just working through property ownership and drainage and easements. So, we're further along. Uh, like I said, than UD do you do kind of put it on pause and has to get the money to do their northern section and everything in orange. That's don't panic. We're not going to go start building roads. It's property owners, as you know, show up. We want to build this and all right, fine. Then you got to build that half a road or you know how it works. So, if someone wants to go way west, they got to build a road out to themselves, right? And we weren't building it. It's just a plan like Matt said about if they want to build that's where we would like the roads to be spacing and stuff.

J, did you have another question? I didn't mean to cut you off. So, okay. Great. Well, then we get the benefit of the charming we get to start calling it referring to it as old Geneva Road, which sounds, you know, it's got some panach. So, there you go. That's what I see here. the important thing. Um let's talk about the land use classifications and a lot of this like we said is has some ress have happened in this area recently but uh some this area and again all of this unincorporated county uh we don't actually even have um general plan designations for any of the unincorporated county that's in our annexation plan um not that show up in our mapping any

language in the general plan I believe to bring it in as a certain R come as R5 or something like I don't know about reszone later. We'll have to weigh on what you think about when we're trying to that that's my own opinion. Usually with annexation policies, annexation statement, we're supposed to have decided what it ought to be or plan for. Um supposed to because when you bring it in, you have to give it as own. It can't just come in as nothing. Um so there's probably some sort of statement. I think it talks about light industrial.

Light industrial. Okay, that's so that would that would match kind of to the north here. this large segment there and then they've kind of designated these areas um slightly differently based on a little more a little closer look at them, right? Um whereas out here further west, we've just looked at the potential grid uh for transportation.

And then so the area tonight that's on tonight's agenda is in this community commercial segment. I guess potentially also related to that um those those potential road connections if there's more if that's where the lake viewed parkway traffic comes through and that's all headed back and forth north and south to the to the airport um there's some there's a lot of traffic there they might see that intersection as a potential for some slowdown of that traffic and and some commercial activity. So that makes some sense in terms of that land use category. Does that make sense for you all? Is there something else we should be considering there or any thoughts about it? It's not that you have to make a decision tonight or anything. It's just good to understand kind of where we are. Um, see and then again low density residential. This seg this segment that's already that's showing as medium density residential has already been resoned and developed. It's this area here. What are the name of that development? Does anybody know that one?

Okay. that's all there already and then the skip done portion here that's again community commercial. So that's been reszone to this PD55. So those are kind of asked and answered already those segments. Um that's what I've got for Southwest Orum. Any broad thoughts about are we headed the right direction here? Should we be looking at other things? Um any questions you have about um even any questions you have about tonight's agenda item. If you want to get anything out of the way in here, we can talk about those things in this context as well. So, I'm curious uh if you go further west, how uh how much ground there is that can be developed. I'm guessing that it's pretty swampy and marshy out there. It looks like I think it's this has all been cultivated at some point partially. It gets real swampy out here, but this is probably as far as as anything really goes. Beyond the meander line is pretty much undevelopable. It's the wetlands jurisdictional waters owned by the federal government.

Say that again. It's a what? The jur it's wetlands. It's jurisdictional waters of the United States. Federal short of the government selling it and the Army Corps of Engineer approving a wetland change. it will never develop beyond the meander line of the so that's where agriculture since this is the old the the potential lake shore line you know high water years or whatever all in that jurisdictional wetland so you're talking about just these areas here and and yeah and then the water table is going to be high so you know you're probably not looking at any basement out here not looking

if it goes residential I think actually One of the big policy discussions you could have is what is the appropriate land use categories? I'm not actually seeing it discussed in the general plan. I know there was a map at one point. I just have to go find it. I'm not sure if that map was even adopted. That's like the map. Well, that's all there is. It shows the area. doesn't show and there's a few comments about that area in here but there's not same with this are there was a map about 2000 but that showed I think light industrial out here but I'm not sure if that was adopted I have to collect um in 2000 that's long enough ago we ought to revisit 2020 okay

but um either way I think this is an area that you know that what is the vision for this area you know Eventually there will be development pressure and so when that comes what direction should it head? Is it going to be like industrial like some of these map I think I remember or is it going to be another policy direction that you think is a better choice for the city?

It's definitely something we need to figure out as we and that annexation policy is part of your general plan. So it's exactly the right moment to be figuring that out. So, as this plan goes forward from from your body to city council, uh, as some kind of recommendation, it ought to contain some sort of designation for those areas. So, there's some guiding principles to what they get zoned when they're brought into the city if they do get annexed. One thing we could consider is I in other jurisdictions I've worked in, annexed areas are shown on the general plan with their land use category. I'm not sure we don't show it. We just show the city boundary so it's clear where the city ends

currently but it also has clear policy about what the plan is for that area once it is in annex so that the appropriate zoning designation can be applied two questions one well what's the statement so about the only thing I can see in here that says about this area is new development should not impede the pre-existing agricultural activities of water drainage used by adjacent agricultural property properties. That's about the only real statement for that area that we have. The other question is is there a trail through that or is there designation for trails

the annexation area because I know they're trying to do the complete one around the or segments of the lake. So

that trail look at the the top corner of this TV. He comes into the city about the application where a water reclamation plant is there'll be a trail connect into a multi-use path that connects over to the inter mobile hub or the train station and then that can connect over into UVU. So that'll be the primary connection from sort of East Provo over the freeway to the lake trail. Um there will be another stub that comes down here. There is going to be another trail head right about here. Um the property's already identified. Um and so the details now is where and how do we get the trail from point A to point B which is the delta project and that has not been determined. We uh I think part of this U dot project was here. We got some additional sidewalks put in place multi-use path but part of this grid system all of these have a multi-use trail on one side. And so as this grid system develops, we'll have multiple opportunities to plug that trail through the area down into Provo. And then it'll pick up in Provo, the Delta project. And if you've been down like Lake View in Provo, that's pretty much what it is. It's developing on one side and then the other side is the wetlands. And there's access to all the trails. And there's some really they've done some really interesting nice new things down there for walking through. And

anything on the west side of Lake View Parkway is pretty much determined to be untouchable. And that's the whole corridor down to I-15. Said they've spent $480 million on that whole road segment, including the drainage and all the amenities. And so they it's been a big invest. 480. Yeah. That's what they told correctly. So I didn't ask how or where

well the initial fusion of cash for that project came out of the recession in 2010 with um stimulus construction money. So that's how before that [clears throat] the that project was a pipe dream. It was never going to happen. And then when the recession came and federal money came for construction projects that's when the city took advantage of building that road. sense the initial phase. Okay. They want to feed their airport. Yeah. Does anybody know that prov started to work on their new international terminal? Yeah. They're working on it. Are they

the potential for Provo to grow is huge, right? And then this is just putting out argument for sake of argument not saying one way or the other. So as we come up lake view especially as we connect through here do we want to set aside land? Are we interested in developing land? Could in theory be supportive to that? What is our interest in this land? Is there enough to even really develop? This is it. This is our this is our open land in Oram. You're staring at it. So what? Yeah, it's a good point. So I think we talked about the potential for certain corridors

at different points in ORM that would support different functions or you know different interests perhaps along Lake Parkway there. There could be a corridor, small corridor or whatever that could support development along there that would be in our forum's interest. The next question would be what type of industry would we want in there? What level of development put in there if you do it? Yeah.

Well, there are there are probably industries that you could identify that are more interested in being near airports, near hubs like that. Well, thing that jumps out in my mind is we've talked about in this body potentially, you know, do we do we think it would be a good idea if for ORM to have a convention center? Seems to me like if we did decide that was a good thing, proximity to an airport would be a good idea. Some of the places we've discussed would be have direct connection from there. Yep. Far access to some hotels along University Parkway. Uh and it's that would be one potentials uh a place that would possible to do it.

Yeah, it's a good that's a good thought. A lot of your I and I'm not an [clears throat] economic development person, but a lot of your a lot of your pressure might be there's always residential pressure. That's a a given. There will be residential pressure, but some of your other pressure near a hub like an airport will be for shipping um for warehousing, etc. There'll be there'll be lots of industry interest in just larger scale warehousing usually and that's lower impact to neighbors, right? It is. Yep. So that's something to consider. You're going to get pressure that way. And beautiful city.

I I don't right off the top of my head. No, but it would be good. It would be a good thing to look into now and to think about. There's no hotel in that vicinity at all. I wonder about that hotel too along that corridor or at least you can even stay further up here. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be all the way down into here, but I would basically set aside a half mile east of the air east and north of airport for airport related uses.

That's their general plan. We'll get some we'll get some we'll pull some stuff from their general plan and send to you all as well to bring back to talk about next time as well to continue this talk about provos plans in that area next. um county won't have any unincorporated county will probably look just like it looks for us um except it won't have our grid on it because they won't have cared about that JS and the county's plan will be waiting for us to have um but yeah let's look at provos and talk what they're doing and see if that meshes with kind of your ideas about fishings and and keep thinking about about that as we move we have occasion to visit with provo about what are looking to do. I mean,

you know, who's the point of contact to do that? Is it something that you do, Jared? You could do that. Yeah, we not saying you have to do it. I'm just curious if it naturally. Yeah, we we we've done that. We met with vineyards planners, for example, last year. Sat down with vineyards planners for a while to talk about what they're doing. And we do the same thing with Provo as we're going forward. We probably should

standpoint a lot. We have a joint project with you know got arrange for uh crosswalks on the border south of two 2000 there's no east west crosswalks road tracks and they have um I forget the name of what's that continuation high school they have down there independence yeah just on the west east side of the

yeah there's a road points up towards Independence that they want to follow potentially go through. So on a road standpoint, we we're pretty much interacting. Um you know, Partville Road crosses over and some trails because there is dialogue with that new development, that housing development at 2000 South, the same outfits developing both sides. Then uh are you concerned about the east west traffic on that road? Um you know, we've gone through that whole process. Yeah. to their traffic. Um, it's a three-lane road. It's a it's a minor arterial classification, right?

So, um, we have a a median that they have to put in to block one of the accesses. We have we applied access management standards. Um, we just didn't let them put driveways in wherever. We let them put one and then the um, and Provo does own the road. So, it's kind of this unique thing where the land is in our city, but they own so we had to coordinate with that quite a lot. line up line up roadways, but that whole traffic study and all that will process with the with the front runner and with the Union Pacific railroad tracks along there. That's to me that's got to be a pretty challenging situation.

Yeah. Uh UTA is more forgiving. So that's we're we're putting in sidewalk up to P is another whole beast like they don't like you do that. So we're doing what we can to connect D with Provo on that. So yeah, the next step would to see what UP will up would allow to keep going. Yeah, it's you'll you'll see a lot of this pretty soon. Actually, the the whitest stone that was reszoned subdivision is in review right now. um with with all of us planning and engineering and folks, they would probably be before the planning commission.

Well, they'd like to have been before the planning commission already, but they are not ready. So, pretty soon they're getting close. Maybe in December, it'll be on your agendas. So, you'll get to see all of that stuff then, too. Great. Any other questions about about any of the stuff in Southwest Orum? Just the question about light industrial is that it was reszoned to M1. So there's manufacturing but nothing's been built there. Nothing's been built. But I understand there was a project approved. Those approvals have probably lapsed if it's more than a year old. Is there not laps there?

Still so and they renewed. Um my understanding is their their site plan is pretty much dependent on Lake View built. Oh, I know this. sitting in this weird libo. Yeah, because their drainage plan goes out into the curb and gutter that would be going into a road that doesn't exist. Yeah. Generally, what are they planning to do with that land? Um, it's a warehouse. Um, so it's warehousing space. Um, warehousing space is fine. Yeah.

Multiple buildings in a warehouse kind of industrial park. warehouse park. The the uh Becca mentioned the drainage. So, that's an issue out here as well. Like we don't have a good handle on on everything that's needed for infrastructure in Southwest Orum because we haven't we have these general land plans in place, but much of the infrastructure is not there and a lot of it depends on things like the Lake View Parkway going through and that's not finished yet. And so, we have all these projects in limbo. So, we're actively um had a couple of meetings already. We have other projects that are having issues because of infrastructure that doesn't exist yet. What what we're going to put in and what developers need to contribute versus what the city needs to do for other projects is a kind of a big discussion. So, we're having those lately, too. So, as those continue to ramp up, want the input from the it's the right moment for the commission and the council to be looking at this area with this general plan so we know what we should be anticipating for capital improvements in that area for the uh for the improvements to the sewer and water and storm drainage and everything that transportation [snorts] that's already been done or at least anticipated. So I I have a question and it's I don't know if it's completely related to what we're talking about, but northwest of the temple on the west side of Geneva Road, there's a fairly large building that's under construction right now. Runs north south um

northwest of the temple. Yeah. On the west side of Geneva. So, if you move right up in that general area, a little further, right about up in there, there's a really large building that runs north south. Um, so looks to me as a potential, you know, doesn't [clears throat] look like a pond to me cuz they're they seem to be insulating like maybe it's for Is this the right area you're talking about? West Geneva. So what is this? That's

they I'm not going to speak with certainty, but that property was subject to their house being taken for this Geneva Road widening and part of the deal was they would get, you know, compensation for was taken and I think they're building. Rebuilding the house. That would make sense. Yeah, it's a Johnson's. Oh, okay. Yes. Makes sense. Okay. Any other questions or we get to adjurnn to our till our regular meeting? Good. Okay. I'll talk all night with you. Yeah.

Oh, one more thing. Answer your question. Reszone industrial test in 2020. 2020. Okay. One right here. Okay. Thank you. Then we'll adjourn our work session at 5 517. Thanks.

Yes, I can test my mic. How's that? Are you hearing? Okay. Can we as commissioners hear the mic? Can we Okay. Wow. Yes. There's four of us. As long as Jared doesn't speak, we're good. Done. So then, are we ready to go? Okay. Then um I will go ahead and call this uh ORM Planning City Commission meeting to order at 5:30 on November 5th, 2025 in the ORM city council chambers. And we will begin with an invocation by Commissioner Hawk.

Our Father in heaven, we are grateful this evening that we can meet in such favorable circumstances. We're grateful to live in this great land and in this wonderful community. We ask you to bless us this evening as we discuss matters pertaining to our community affairs, that we'll be wise in our deliberations, that we will be considerate of one another, that we'll be open-minded, and that the decisions that are made will be good decisions that will be for the best good of our our citizens. We pray thou will bless those who lead and guide the affairs of this city and indeed this nation. Bless us that we will be people of integrity that we will be thoughtful and mindful of others. We again are grateful for our blessings. We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Thank you. Okay, we'll begin with item three, which is our consent agenda items, which include item 3.1, plat amendment, Mountain Grove Plat D, located generally at 1365 North, 330 East. Item 3.2, Plat amendment, Deerfield Park, Plat G, located generally at 1021 West, 400 South. Item 3.3, Plat amendment, Taylor Park Plat B, located generally at 105 West Hidden Hollow Drive. and item 3.4 which is approval of meeting minutes from our October 15th planning commission meeting. Is there any comments? Anything? Are we Jim? Okay.

I make a motion to approve the city planning the uh consent agenda items 3.1 3.2 3.3 and 3.4. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. moved and hes seconded that we approve our consent agenda items. Hase I I I I

Okay, our consent agenda items are approved. We'll move on to item 4.1, which is a public hearing regarding zoning ordinance map amendment, a request to reszone the prop property located generally at 1738 South Geneva Road from OS5 to C2 by amending article 22-5-3A and the zoning map of the city of Worm. And we'll begin with um staff report.

Thank you. Um just uh really quickly to go through a few items uh related to this zone map amendment request. This is the portion of property you can see here. Um we're using 1738 South as the address here. Uh there are new rights of way that kind of bound it. So it's harder to see on our on our maps. These have been uh dedicated over. But this this is the portion of the property, the 4.43 43 acres. Uh that the request involves reszoning from OS5 as you said to C2 commercial. Um right now the you can see this triangular area there uh that's bounded by those new roads that are going to be going in eventually. Uh you can see the building there to kind of orient yourself. It's all right now in the OS5 zone. Um most the other properties around it bordering it are also in the OS5 open space zone. OS5 allows just for comparison of the the things that are allowed currently versus what would be allowed under C2. The OS5 zone allows single family residential uses 5 acres or more. Um it does allow those kind of allied residential uses, quasi public uses like churches, schools, libraries, and then some agricultural uses that are limited uh to that OS5 zoning as well. The C2 zone is a very broad commercial zone. It allows a variety of things um all the way from vehicle rentals and sales down to shopping centers, um restaurants, that kind of thing. Um so that's that's the request. The the applicants in this case, this property is commonly known as the Johnson Farms. The applicants in this case would like to reszone to that C2 classification. The general plan, this again is the larger property. You can see the the building there that's kind of the center of that triangular area that's up for resoning tonight. Uh the general plans land use map calls it out as um community commercial. Uh and that's one of the preferred the preferred zones that go with community commercial are C1C2 business park and

then different uh plan development zones uh that might be commercial in nature. Um so the applicants have asked for the C2 zone which again is on that list of of the preferred zones uh for the designation that has been given right now in the land use map for the general plan. Um, the applicants have provided a concept plan as our applications require. Just to be clear though, we're not approving or denying or considering a concept plan tonight. It's just for illustrative purposes. They would like to develop the property with what they're calling flex retail. These are all uh different buildings. They would total about 32,000 ft of floor space altogether. Multiple buildings, multiple units, parking lots are all interior and access from Geneva Road. Um, again, you can see kind of the bounding areas that are slated to be roads in the future out here. Um, and then the buildings. These are all obviously there's more than these two buildings, but that's what they would look like in this concept plan. Uh, any questions for staff at this point? As a reminder, it's a public hearing. Um, the planning commission is a recommending body on this kind of item. You would vote on a recommendation either positive or negative to the city council.

Okay. Any questions for staff? Okay. Uh would the applicant like to come forward?

Good evening, commissioners. Uh my name is Paul Wash. My name is Paul Washburn. I'm representing the applicants this evening. Uh I've been working uh with the Johnson family on this property for a number of months. Uh the Lake View Parkway is taking a significant portion of their property and leaving a triangular piece uh just slightly over 4 acres. Uh for those of you that maybe have driven down and seen the site, you'll see where you have started digging out Pete on the site and preparing for the roadway. Uh it stops short of the barn. the barn will have to come down. It's also uh interfering with the roadway. Uh the 4 acres that's remaining with after the adjustments for uh irrigation and all the other things very difficult to make that feasible to f farm alpha alpha in the future. uh Johnson family has put the property for sale and group has come and has uh optioned the property at this point subject to getting zoning and a site plan approval. Uh I'm working with both groups at this point. Uh we've looked at this property really hard. There is no access from either uh the uh Lake View Parkway or from this road that goes across the bottom you can see on your screen. So, the only access is going to be from Geneva Road. And those of you who have had chance to look at that overall plan, the access to Geneva Road is pretty awkward. Um, what we've done is we've done some evaluation and we think the flex resale retail space will work well in this site. It's going to be destination oriented businesses. uh those that are along the perimeter of the two larger roadways. Um will probably businesses that are currently working out of maybe people's homes. Got

a plumber that's very interested in a place, but he wants a secure place he can lock his trucks at night. Same thing with a pest control business is doing the same kind of thing. Uh this site is not going to be very it's never going to hold a Walmart. this isn't something that's going to drive traffic because of the access to the site. And we as a group have determined that if this were to go forward that we would like to limit any automotive usage from the site as well. We don't want to have that in there. Uh we haven't put the property up to be marketed, but we've had people that have approached us and they have included an attorney that would like to have a place to store records. We've got another group that wants to put in a fairly large um hair salon, hair salon, nails, whatever. Uh as a resident of ORM, I really like that idea. For years, we've been poaching sales tax from Provo City, and I'd like to see that continue. And there's a large population of Provo City there that I think would be uh be attracted to this site. Um what we're going to do is designwise we'd like to maintain the look of a farm. Uh the buildings that we have proposed uh try to imitate that structure. Uh the furthest west buildings which would be on this end uh would be twotory structures. That group in the middle would be twotory. uh the one in the front and then the ones uh that connect the old Geneva Road with the new uh parkway would all be single story and we're not going to build a second story in the building. There'll be large high ceilings though it work for a lot of different companies. But anyway, that's that's what we'd like to move

forward and do. I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have. I have a question that's mostly curiosity because of our discussion about it. Is is there is UD do preventing you from having access to Lake View Parkway or is that a choice? No, that UD do is it's absolutely prohibited. Yeah, because it's that long of a No, we would love to have access. I mean, that would probably triple the value of the property, but no, we don't get any access at all. Understand why that's a curiosity question. Yeah,

one of the other things and I know at the neighborhood meeting there were one of the neighbors suggested we should wait until the parkway was in before we developed the property. We're anxious to do it at least get the underground work done in conjunction with them finishing that. Uh we don't want to have to board under it. We don't want to have to tear up the road to hook up to sewer and storm drain. So it's important for us to get in front of the project if we can. Okay. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? over Jim I don't have any question I he covered all my questions okay yeah those were a lot of the questions that we were discussing so

okay so thank you okay then we will open this is a public hearing so we will open for the public to come forward if you'd like to come and speak on this uh item and come forward to the mic and please limit your comments to three minutes oh and please state your name first so we will open that for public comment My name is John Su Q public. I live one block south of this. We have enough. We don't want to live in the middle of a big city. And I know that my voice isn't the only one of my neighbors who have the same kind of opinion. We love these people. They're they're our neighbors, our friends. We go to the temple with them, but we don't need more businesses in that area there. As you know, Skip Dunn wants to build a business across the fence of us to the south. There's a a business. There's a gas station half a one block south of us and a whole bunch of stuff north of us. We just don't need some more traffic. We don't need some more business with whatever it brings. We all know that. We all know that crime follows business and and uh we live in a wonderful secluded neighborhood at this point in time [gasps] and we would love for that to continue. Um you know there's a there's a hymn

that talks that says do what is right. I know that when when the Wilkerson form um deal was up why the c the your commission voted almost I guess unanimously to oppose the jooning zoning change but you don't have the authority to make the decisions unfortunately and when I when I went to around gathering signatures to put that issue on the ballot the Wilkerson farm issue on the ballot every single person in my neighborhood signed the petition to put it on the ballot so we could have a little bit of open space. The OSS is appropriate and please leave it that way. Do what is right. I I don't know that the city council especially is newly constituted is going to listen to you, but your job is to do what is right. And please think of us. You one of the biggest concerns that I have in this city is that too many of our leaders in the past have cons considered everybody except the people who live here. But we live here. I live here. Alex lives here. He's our grandson that we're raising and my wife and our neighbors. We all live there. We would love it to be as as unpopulated as possible.

So, thank you for your consideration and your time.

Thank you. Anyone else like to come forward? My name is Cheryl Johnson. I'm a part I own a a percentage of this property. Just to give a little bigger picture what really happened. Um this propertyy's been in my husband's family for many many years. Um, his oldest sibling is 87 years old. He's done farming. The youngest sibling is 75 years old. My husband has passed away. That leaves a sister who's 83, another brother that's 80. And so farming isn't going to happen on this on this piece of property. It's not going to happen. Um, you can't sell it for farming. What are we going to what what is the right thing to do with it? can't farm it. I mean, you can, but you can't make any money doing that because well, that's common sense. Why? Um, do you want industrial on it? Do you want homes on it? Do you want high density on it? What do you want? What are we going to What do you do with it? Um, or do we just sit on it and let it grow to weeds? because frankly I'm the only one doing anything with it. Um, so as we've thought about it and this looks like maybe we feel like maybe this is something that would be uh acceptable an acceptable use. I don't

know anybody that's going to want to live on it um with three major roads. [clears throat] So, our hands are kind of tight to be able to satisfy the neighborhood and to be able to liquidate the land. So, thank you. Thank [clears throat] you.

Okay, I'll make one last M. Is this working? I've never used one of the mobile ones. Um, just as a question, we did receive a comment um online about a week ago. Okay. Um, from an an individual who said she wouldn't be able to attend and she wanted to have her record be known. Um, are you comfortable with me reading that? Okay. Yeah, please read that in.

Yeah. So, um, this comes from Britta Peterson and she she said, "I was not able to attend the meeting and will not be able to attend the meeting about the Johnson reszoning on Geneva Road, but I would not want that area to be commercial land. There are people who live here and we should keep Geneva rural or at least to a few houses. I am tired of all the highdensity housing and commercial buildings in every spare land of Oram. Please do not put commercial buildings here. I would love to know how to get my voice heard even if I can't attend the meeting. Okay. Thank you. Okay. If there's no more further public comment, we will close the public hearing. And um I don't think you there's nothing. Do you want to respond to anything as the applicant? You're welcome to.

[clears throat] And Jared, could you go back to the OS5 uses? Yeah. Right. Yeah. It was one more. Yeah. Uh, in trying to decide what to do with the property, we tried to pick the least impact use we could find. It's just Yeah.

Oh, I'm sorry. I printed the feedback again. Uh, in trying to find a use for the property, we chose C2 because we felt like it was probably the least intrusive and most compatible. Um, the property is a triangle and triangles are hard to develop. It doesn't matter if you're farming, doing a commercial development, or doing housing. Uh, properties now less than 5 acres. I don't know if we could build a house on it or not. Building a subdivision wouldn't work well. Uh, I don't know what better uses are. What we've done is we've tried to pick as low impact as we could, something we felt like we could fit in. We've tried to design the project to fit in as best we can. Uh it's unfortunate, but uh Utah is 20 m wide and 100 miles long. It stops in Nephi and it goes the other end to Brigham City. Uh you can't develop elsewhere in Utah because there's no water. All the water's been given to the Wasatch Front. Uh, as much as I would like to think Orm could stay the same as when I grew up here and it was all orchards, it's not going to be that way. And we're just trying to find the best use we can. Um, a lot of temptation to turn this into industrial. We didn't feel like that was appropriate. Um, so anyway, we feel like this is our best shot. We do a good job with it and make it make it something that'll have as low impact on neighbors as we can and be accredited to the city. Thank you.

You okay? Are there any further commission further comments or questions from the commissioner? You asked for the slide diffuse switch. Did you get your Yeah. Thank you. question answered. Okay. Jim, are you pondering?

Well, I'm uh I'm sympathetic to both parties. It's a tough one in my mind. I uh I know that it can't be farmed. I mean, it's uh 4 acres to get your equipment on and off that just isn't the feasible thing to do. And uh John Q public I know very well. And

yeah, and he's a just a wonderfully wonderfully fine fellow. And uh you know I you don't want to have this just be vacant land. I wouldn't think uh it it needs to be put to some sort of use. Would you agree with that John Q public? Put you on the spot. But it uh it seems to me that uh that the Johnson's uh are trying to be sensitive to the feelings of the neighbors and are uh trying to craft something that would be palatable to both both parties, both sides. And [clears throat] I don't know what uh what other things could be done on this property that would uh be more palatable than what they've uh presented here really. Uh I don't know, Mr. Is it Mr. Waspurn, I believe. Is that what other What other things were you considering as possibilities here? If I could I guess I can ask him that question.

You can ask him questions. If you're looking for feasibility, I'm not suggesting that we would do this, but feasibility next to two major corridors, apartments, that makes a lot of sense. Close to UVU, it does make sense. It's clearly not what the neighborhood wants. Um, I honestly don't know. I've been associated with this property for a number of months now. I've helped uh the Johnson's when they were working with UD do with Oram City trying to get the rideways through there. And I've given a lot of thought to this property. I I honestly don't know what else would be there that'd be really feasible. Um feasible projects are important because they maintain themselves. They take care of themselves. They improve as time goes on. uh leaving the ground vacant or looking for some use that just ultimately is not going to work. Uh that's going to impact the neighborhood a lot more than anything we can do. And the worst thing that could happen with this property is let it sit maybe sit there for another two or three years and Johnson's end up selling it in desperation. You end up with a car lot there or something like that. It's going to have a much greater impact. So I I guess to answer your question is I wish I had a better answer. This is best I could come up with a year that I've been working on the property.

Okay. But I think it's a good use too. I think it's going to work out well. So uh the access to this property will be from the uh south south side of it. Geneva road only. The east side east side but yeah no access from either of the new roads. So, uh, which which again limits the commercial possibilities of it. It would be fine if it was turned into a subdivision, but I don't think with politics that's going to happen. Yeah. Four and a half acres isn't going to buy you much of a subdivision, right? I don't think. No. Not a triangle. Well, triangles are tough. I mean, they're tough question.

Okay. Thank you. clarify something. Based on a previous slide, it appeared to me that yeah, sorry. Request is that we need we need you to be in the record. So if if it's a public comment, we can open the public hearing so you can come back up to the mic and speak. [gasps] That was my quick way. My name's Byron Taylor. Based on a previous slide, I got the impression that aside from this potentially being developed, the request of this applicant at this time is to change the zoning for a much larger area than just that.

Now, the one Yeah. And that that's a very fair question. So, the one is what is our general plan? What what when in 2018 when they set that map, what they thought that area would develop into? That's the big one. the big solid red. In this case, the land around it would only be so that's our general plan and then we're only changing the designation of that little triangle. Okay, that's what we're discussing tonight. Thank you. Yeah, it would apply to this. So, yeah. Okay, I guess I'll technically close the public hearing then. So, um come up to your mic there. Dennis, we've talked about this. You're not the boss. I'm not.

Are we okay with him? every I'm asking the commission real quick. Everyone okay with them coming back up? Sure. I guess we'll [laughter] reopen the public hearing again. That was a very good point that was just brought up. And there's all this land around it that could be de bu built into high-rise apartments and when you start, you can't get things stopped. And this is the start. Please think about the people who live there. Thank you. Thank you. We'll close the public hearing again. Stop asking people to come up without permission. Okay.

So, um Okay. Any other questions? No questions. Okay. Rod. No, I'm ready to make a motion. Okay. I'm ready to make a motion. Well, then we get to discuss deliberate. Get to we can deliberate after he makes the motion. Whatever. Yeah. I mean, yeah. [clears throat] Make a motion and then we'll discuss it. We can go ahead.

I move that the Orm City Planning Commission forward a recommendation to approve the request to amend article 22.53 sub paragraph A and the zoning map of the city of ORM by reszone 4.343 acres located generally at 1738 South Geneva Road from OS5 to C2 to the city council. Okay. Do I have a second? Yeah, I second. You second. Okay. Okay. Rod moved and hast seconded that we forward an approval or positive recommend. We've said it both ways. An approval to the city council. So, you made the motion. You get to speak first.

Yeah. I'm I understand that this is an emotional um topic that you know people who've lived there for a long time are used to a certain way of living. And I reflect on what Mr. Washburn, there you are, said I grew up in Norm with lots of orchards as well. The fact is things are changing and that the county and city are going to develop that area. You could make an argument that this will alleviate traffic because people can get some of the retail needs taken care of rather than traveling to other parts of Oram. gives us the opportunity to capture some sales revenue from Provo, uh, you know, helping our city budget and it also, um, puts potential retail space near customers who would desire and need it. So, to me, it makes sense to take a a piece of land uh that really is not going to have many other uses. Um, apartments would just really ruin that area. And I just think it's a great idea. It's well thought through and I think they're trying to do what's right even though it's a painful thing. So, that's why I think it should be a positive recommendation to the city council.

Painful. Thank you, Ryan. Ha. Well, just like Rod mentioned, um there's a pretty good possibility if this doesn't go to C2, it will go to apartments. Very high likely.

You can't hear me? Sorry. Okay. There's a there's a great possibility that if it doesn't go to CT, it will go to apartments. And we definitely the the owner of the land have the rights to to need to develop it and not sit on it empty. And as far as traffic goes, I wonder how much the temple increased traffic to the area anyway. So there there is lots of traffic. So I sales tax as a city that working on promoting more businesses and more sales tax revenue in addition to the minimum property tax revenue that will come to us from it. It's it makes total sense and it is painful but something something that has to be done. Thank you,

Jimmy. If you want,

I do want to say a few things. So, I uh I know John Q public very well. I think the world of him, you won't find a finer fellow. But the um concern that I think he's expressed is really broader than just this piece of property. I think he's uh he's seen uh as he said in his comments to us where uh voices have been uh expressed uh comments have been made uh all all for not and it's just like the whole world is has changed this area where he's chosen to live. He's not from here originally, but he's chosen to live there because it's a quiet nice place to live [clears throat] and and he's seen that erode all around him. So, uh uh despite that, [clears throat] uh I I think it probably is as good a use as you can find for that property. I I guess the master plan had it zoned for community commercial at some point. So, it was on the master plan that something would be done with this property. And I I don't think it is wise that that it just is kept there vacant. I can't see that it could be developed into a a neighborhood. It's just not large enough. [clears throat] And uh now if we approve this, which we've done, uh even if I voted in opposition, because I guess I'm not sure how you're voting, Meline, but uh uh it still has to come before the planning commission for specifics as to what's to be done here. But I I uh I hate to uh vote against uh your desires, Dennis,

but I I just don't think uh uh denying this makes uh makes sense in my mind. Will you forgive me for that?

What I feel that's right. Yeah. Just to repeat what he said that is we do what we feel is right. Yeah, that's that's what we try to do in the first place, by the way. Yeah, always. Good.

Comes to me. This one's really hard because I agree. This is what the fifth or sixth since I've been on the planning commission in this area that we've looked at and we've discussed and debated and it is a hard balance between things that were designated these roads coming in and the land that's left and trying to protect what is also over there. the people more than the land is important, but the land our our p our purpose here is to help determine what we do with the land. And this is a really awkward little bit of land. You kind of wonder why they did that, but I'm sure it's better than putting Geneva straight down in front of all the homes that are at the top part of that segment, too. And traffic's coming. Development's coming. And I think as far as a plan for the area, um, one of my concerns was like, why develop it now before these go in? Makes a lot of sense that let's get the infrastructure in, get those things done. And for for use, it seems low impact. My only question, this might actually be more for um Jared, he he said that he brought up that no um no automotive uses on this land, but if we give you a C2 designation that includes that. So

is that that's my only like we would be happy to enter into a development agreement with the city council on that. Uh we don't want automotive abuses. it it would work for one space, but it foul up everything else. It just doesn't make sense. And I agree with that. I think that that is what my biggest C2 concern was was leaving it open for some of those, but I think doesn't go with there. No, I've got to live with it and I'm a citizen, too. I'm not going to screw it up.

So, yeah. So, I'm I mean, development agreement would be fine if that's what you guys chose. But um so I think as hard as it is to be like, "Yay, let's develop." But there's already to the south there's um M1 designation, there's already going to be more warehousing going in. And this connects to the airport. We were talking about this a little bit in our premeating that as this connects with the airport. As it connects things back up, it's going to be a an area and let's so let's get the right kind of development in that doesn't impact the neighborhoods that are already there. So, you get to say one more thing if you want to, but you don't have to. No, I'm good.

Okay, you're good. All right, then we will move to vote. Uh, Jim, I I I Okay, item 4.1. Thank you very much. We will forward a positive recommendation. I mean approval. Love you.

Okay, we'll move on to item 4.2, 2, which is also a public hearing for a text amendment. It's a request to add SLU code 7425 gymnasium and athletic clubs to the list of approved uses in the PD36 zone located generally at 1440 North, 1380 West by amending article 22-11-49C. Jared,

thank you. So, this is um as opposed to a zone map amendment, this is a zoning ordinance amendment request. Um we called it Paddle Den text amendment because that is um the name of the company that wants this uh addition this text amendment change. Um the applicants are here tonight. They can answer some of your other questions about uh the application or the sport itself. What they would like to do is uh open a business that offers a place to participate in this sport called paddle. Um and that is something I'll let them explain to you instead. It's kind of a combination of raet ball and squash and pickle ball and tennis and all a bunch of sports I'm not good at all rolled into one thing for me to underperform at in one place. So, it's kind of nice that way. Um, gymnasiums and athletic clubs are not included in the PD36 zones list of allowable uses right now. And that would be the use category that would fit for something like a tennis court or a basketball court or uh that kind of thing that paddle would fit into as well. Um so we've listed here in this slide the different um purpose of the PD36 zone is listed to allow development of light industrial business or technology park that can accommodate a variety of commercial and light industrial uses in an environment reflecting a high level of concern for architectural landscaping and urban design principles. Uh there's some development in this area already. They would like to take one of the buildings and open this paddle business. Uh if the PD36 zone is amended to include that land use classification, they could do that. Um the general plan calls this area out as regional commercial, sorry. And so it's not out of sync with uh the request for that land use code is not out of sync with the regional commercial category, which states that it's to provide locations for commercial and service uses to serve needs of people living in an entire region. And by definition, a sport like that would draw people from other places if we're the first to offer that kind of a a facility. So, um, with that in mind,

this is the a complete list of the current uses that are allowed. Um, and then again, the final the use that's not allowed is that land use code 74. I'm going to get it wrong, but you know, the one that's listed there, 7426, that is the sum total of the amendment they're requesting that we simply uh allow the addition of that land use code to this long list of other uses that are allowed. The most recent application to change things that was permitted was land use code 7322. That's go indoor go-karts. And there's an active facility for that in this area, too. So, kind of fits in with the general uh things going on in the area. Any questions for staff at this point? Nope. Would the applicant like to come forward and present?

Thank you guys for taking the time to hear out uh our text amendment. My name is Parker. This is my brother Kyle. Um we are the two that are uh proposing the text amendment to allow for our paddle den. Um Kyle and I have been very lucky to um travel a bit and we noticed that as we were traveling some of these other countries that um much like pickle ball is here, there was the sport of paddle everywhere else all over Europe, uh South America. And uh Kyle and I are both uh two individuals who are very passionate about um just our hobbies. Um I've worked at a ski resort for the for 6 years and as well as Kyle's worked at a a golf course. Um we really love the idea of bringing a business um and working together to uh bring this paddle facility to this location. Uh reason we think that this location is perfect for our business is um for the sport of paddle, you need higher ceilings as well as a a very open floor plan. And this facility um is perfect for that. If uh if we went to the map and you looked at all the buildings in that area, we would take up just that little corner lot, which is the 23,000t lot, um we would not be taking any um building that has loading bays that could um affect a uh industrial company from being able to come in. We think it's perfectly located off the freeway where as people um are coming home from, you know, work or wherever they may be that they can come to the facility and and use it as another place to gather and uh enjoy time with one another as well as being active and and being healthy. So, we are just proposing that we have that text amendment to allow for our business.

Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Could you uh describe this game called paddle? And are you good at paddle? But well, I like to think I'm good at paddle. I'm better than this guy over here. Um but he's your older brother, isn't he?

Younger younger brother, so I I I have to be better than him. Um so what paddle is, I apologize for not explaining it before. Um paddle is a mix of tennis and raetball or squash. um you are playing on a slightly smaller tennis court about the third about the third the size of a tennis court kind of much similar to a pickleball court as well as you are surrounded by walls that you can play off of. Um it's a very um it's a very active sport. It's a very tiring sport and it's a it's one that we love. So

does anyone around here play paddle? Um so actually um the reason we are excited to open this up is this would be the second facility in Utah. Um a facility opened up in North Salt Lake in Bount in about the Bountiful area um a couple months ago and they have seemed to be doing quite well. Um it's a sport that hasn't quite come here to the United States which is why Kyle and I are very excited to hop on the opportunity to open it up here. um we see how good pickle ball does here and how active people are with the mountains and skiing and mountain biking and it's just another thing to give people to do um both with uh with the two colleges close with their roommates and friends as well as the families that that live in this area too. Um it's something that could be played with any and all ages. [snorts]

Thank you. Yeah. Any other questions for the applicant? Actually, I guess I just wonder about parking.

It's a It's a good question. We um we haven't evaluated the the business proposal yet, but that would all be part of our the the planning and zoning department now or division. We review all the business licenses as well. And if they come in for when they come in for that, we would evaluate their parking needs against all of the other businesses that are using that same parking as well because it's a shared parking facility. So we we'd look at it in that way and say you can only have limit their occupancy number of courts etc based on what's available but we haven't done any of that yet not for the text amendment. Okay it's it's pretty well parked down there. Okay.

Yeah I was going to say Jared pretty much answered it but um if it were to go in this location it would be like you said an occupancy p based um parking situation. Currently with tennis courts, um we if you know that you're gonna having a be having like a tennis court or a very similar athletic type of thing going on, um it's usually one and a half parking spots per every anticipated visitor. So, it's kind of a weird thing, but you'd have to you'd have to know how many courts they're wanting to put in. Um, and then how many people they anticipate. You know, a standard tennis court can have up to four people on it usually. So, you'd kind [snorts] of work backwards. I imagine um paddle is very similar as far as the amount of users on the court. Um, so you'd be looking at a similar ratio. That is yeah if you would like to for an answer.

Yeah. So um where it comes to parking we are that standalone building and uh with the current plans that we have um obviously we're still we're still working with seeing what we can fit in there but with the current space we believe that we can fit uh five courts in there. Um and it's a paddle which I forgot to mention is actually the fastest growing sport in the world which is really exciting. Um is played in doubles. So, um you'd only have four people on the court at a time. Um as well as potentially a person to swap out, you know, if you come in a group of six or something like that. But, um we we we anticipate five potentially six courts and uh only four could play on on those courts at a time. So,

thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Okay. Would anyone like to make a motion? I move that the I'll make a motion. I move that the Orum City Planning Commission forward a recommendation to approve the request to add SLU code 7425 gymnasium and Athletic Clubs to the list of approved uses in the PD36 zone located generally at 1440 North 1380 West by amending article 22-11-49C. I I second that motion. [clears throat] Okay. Okay. H So moved in Jim second we forward a an approval of this amendment amendment code edition to the PD zone.

Um you can say anything. I don't think there's anything we're saying. I mean that that came out wrong. That came out so wrong. I needs to be said like I mean nothing to nothing. I have nothing. Oh, okay. So I'm I'm fine with it. So we're good then. Uh, hey, would you like to start the vote? I I I I Okay. And that motion passes and I think it'll be a great addition to to to ORM. Yeah, probably will. That one sounds fun. I'll I'll watch. [laughter]

Sorry, that really came out wrong and I didn't mean it to come out like that. I apologize. So, our final evening our final item of the evening, no, apparently I'm done speaking. is item 4.3 preliminary plat MAG subdivision plat A located generally at 537 North 500 West in the R7.5 zone.

Thank you. This is as you said a preliminary subdivision plan approval. Uh the planning commission is the body that approves those or denies those or asks for more information. MAG subdivision is a previously un it has not been part of any subdivision plat before. This is a what we call a lot of record. It's a a parcel of land. There is an existing home on this parcel. It's large enough to split and the applicants are asking basically to subdivide this into two parts. Um 662 East 1700 South is basically the location. It's in the R75 zone as is everything um in the area around it. Um and just a real quick picture of part of the plat that's been proposed. Lot one is the existing home. Uh remains 27 acres. Lot two would be a buildable lot for another single family home. 29 acres. Both are still considerably larger than the 7 1/2,000 ft² that's required by the zoning. Um both meet the frontage requirements and can easily accommodate the setbacks required for their uh for a home to be on either of those. They're not proposing to take down the home on lot one or anything. They'd leave that in place and simply have a new building lot available. Um, so no changes to existing infrastructure either. All along 500 West Street, the curb and gutter and sidewalks all in place as you could see from the first picture there. Uh, so no changes to that. Um, it's just simply the addition of a new lot that could be built upon. Any questions for staff?

Nope. Okay. Pretty cut and dry. Yeah. Does the applicant want to say anything or Good. Okay, we're good. He's confident. Yeah, he should be. This one's very straightforward. So, okay. There's anyone any questions? Any further discussion? Okay. Anyone like to make a motion? I move that the ORM city planning commission approve the request for preliminary approval for the MOG or MAG subdivision located generally at 537 North 500 West in the R 7.5 residential zone approximately.56 acres. Okay. Do I have a second?

I second it. Okay. Jim moved seconded that we approve the plat the preliminary plat amendment for the subdivision. Um Jim vote I I I I Okay, motion passes and then you good. Okay, then if there's no other business then do I have an emotion a motion to adjurnn? Make the motion to adjurnn. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. There's a motion to adjurnn. I am apparently very tired tonight. Um as moved and Rod seconded the motion to adjurnn. Jim I I I Okay, our meetings adjourn at 6:20.