City Council - Regular Meeting

further. Do you want you want to ask her, Pete? Jen, can you hear us?

She's muted, so I don't know if she's talking or not, but she's muted.

That's all. She's muted. Sorry, I'm tech technology impaired. Yes, I can hear you. And yes, I agree. I think it would be great to get started. One thing. So then uh Tiger, do you want to help introduce our partners with you UD do and UTA on this item? Okay, first presentation is a frontr runner 2X project. Got John with HDR and J of UTA. I'll just turn the time over to them to present.

Uh we also have uh Braden Anderson with UD do as as well here project manager production phase and I'm the project manager for UTA. Ready? Recognize many faces from the UVX days.

Yes, we'll start with an over the front runner 2X uh project and feel free to just ask any questions as we go along here. Um discussion Donald um technical impacts in the city area. um just need to have you guys up to speed with where we are on the project and and what how it is going to impact your so um frontr runner service started in 2008 and the frontr runner north project was which was from Salt Lake City to Ogden and Front Runner South project um Provo from Salt Lake uh started in 2012. Um last year we had an average of 14,500 a day, 16 stations along the 83 mile corridor. Um the trains currently run at max speeds um in certain areas of the corridor at 79 miles an hour, 48 million passengers sent. purpose is we are um seeking a federal grant from the Federal Transit Administration in the core capacity grant. So what it does is it helps when you crowding on the trains. that will help alleviate um crowding on the trains. And the way that this project is we can do that is to increase the service so that trains are coming more frequently so we can carry more passengers. Right now, if any of you have ride during the the peak hours in the morning or in the evening, we're going to be 90% plus full um on those trains and um it's uncomfortable especially if people are riding for long distances and the

um so as I mentioned the benefits of the project are that we will be um doubling the amount of service that we're providing. So currently FrontrRunner runs every hour in the off peak and every 30 minutes in the peak hours. Um we'll be increasing that service to every 15 minutes in the peak hours and 30 minutes in the off peak hours. So a significant increase in service. What's your peak hours? Um, it ranges from where you're starting from, but approximately from about 6 to 9 in the morning and um like 2:30 to 6 or 7 in the evening, depending on where you're at.

Yeah. So um this project is intended to double track uh more of the system. So currently our system is about uh 75% single track. And we have a video here that will kind of explain that a little bit more. But with the single track means that the trains running northbound and southbound are using the same track. Therefore they can only pass each other at very strategic locations in the system. And right now that is mostly only where our stations are. So we have to have the trains trains timed very specifically. We can't provide any more frequent service because of that because then the passings um would move um and so we have to have more double tracking in order to increase the frequency of service. Um this also creates issues with um in our service currently if any train is late um that we get what we call cascading delays which then causes the next train to be late and the next train to be late and the next train the only way we can get back on schedule was is when we get back to our service trains out of service. So um this will definitely help with the reliability um of this as well having additional double tracking. gets us to about 50% double track. Warden in Utah County will have almost uh 100% double very significant amount of double tracking. Um so there are level 11 double tracking um sections. There is a new station in Bluffell at the point development. Um there'll be one back realignment that's a slow curve facility in Solid City. uh to run that additional service, we'll need 10 more train sets. Uh we'll be putting eight more in service in the peak hours uh to

run that additional service and then this facility in order to maintain those additional trains that we're purchasing.

I don't know if you can make this play. in it probably got a train every 30 minutes during time which is great but Utah is growing you know which means more people will take the train so as time moves forward we're going to need more trains more but here's the thing you can't just stick more trains on the track it's not that simple which is why we have the FrontRunner 2X project to get us twice the trains from one every 30 minutes to a train every 15. Here's how it works. Most of FrontRunner is a single track like this one right here. That other one is for coal and I don't know, Amazon packages, things like that. FrontRunner doesn't use it. So, we have one track for both directions that then separates into two tracks or a double track at each station so trains can get around each other. Conveners coordinate this. It's very sophisticated, very safe. But sharing that single track limits how often trains can arrive at stations. So for instance, say you just missed the train.

Sorry, buddy.

Okay, you're waiting for the next one and it's 30 minutes away. Now, if we just added another train right here, it'd have to stop because this train is on the single track, but we don't want to stop except when taking on passengers. So instead, FrontrRunner calculates the most service we can provide without having to stop the trains. And your original train is part of that calculation. It arrives at the single track right as it opens up. The additional train wouldn't make any difference. And calculations show that the most service we can get on Front Runner is 30 minutes between trains. Okay, that one leaves, you wait 30 minutes, another one shows up. You get the point. And if we want that gap any shorter, well, actually, go back to the train. Try this again. Okay, this is you. You missed the train. Next one's 30 minutes away. But this time, let's extend the double track. Now, the other train gets off the single track sooner, which means we can put that other train on the tracks. And just like that, we have a smaller gap between trains. And that's our plan. We are extending the double track in two areas all along the 83 mile front runner corridor, getting us more trains with a smaller gap between them from 30 minutes to 15 minutes during peak hours and from 60 minutes to 30 during offbeat time. That's twice the double track, twice the trains, twice the departures. That's the Front Runner 2X project. So next time you miss a train, you know another one isn't far behind. Learn more about the FrontRunner 2X project at frontrunner2x.utah.gov.

It's the first time I've ever seen that work on. Uh so you go on the next slide map or there's the timeline. anticipate it. We're in the final design phase of the project right now. We have hired a contractor um as a progressive design build um project. They're doing their final design right now. We're in the process of procuring trains and getting the grant approval. Um construction is anticipated to start in 2027 um with uh starting the new service uh around 2030. Forgive me. Did you already say a cost?

I did not say a cost. Do you have a cost? I have a cost. Um, is it coming later in the presentation? It's not. No. Um, so we are working with the Federal Transit Administration on the final cost right now. Um, since they are um providing more than half of the funding or or likely providing more than half of the funding where we have to work with them a lot. Right now with a 40% contingency, it's anticipated to be around And that's the total cost that will be shared by you guys and the federal government.

Total cost. Yeah. The state has um provided about 845 million towards project between the two different bills that provided funds for building the TR project for the point of mountain station and then as well the double tracking and that includes the maintenance facility and the trains and everything. So that's not just what percentage would you say is still not double checked? Um once this project is completed, it will be about 50% not double checked. Wow. Is there ever a plan that they would double track the whole thing?

Yeah, the ultimate plan is to double track the whole system eventually. Yeah. There's a plan online called the um Front Runner Forward Plan. It's kind of a long version for the front runner service, continuing to increase the frequency of service and um continue with double tracking. Um also increasing this the track speeds like that as as we continue to improve Front Runner over time.

Have you considered instead of double tracking the full length doing a I don't know what to call it like a bullet train, you know, one spot in Utah County to two or three other spots before downtown Salt Lake. Um yes actually we um as a part of the front runner forward plan we had put together I think it was probably over 200 service scenarios and analyzed them uh in the market analysis we did we did an in-depth analysis of how our writers are using frontr runner and our writers are very much using frontr runner especially after co more like a regional rail system than they are like a typical comma rail type system meaning that

boardings things are pretty even across the stations and people are not necessarily going just between Provo and Salt Lake and Ogden and Salt Lake in a typical commuter pattern. People are kind of traveling all day. The peaks are still more um but we're getting ridership kind of all over the place and as you can imagine there's a really big reverse commute that happens that comes down here to UV. Um so for those reasons um the frequency became kind of the top thing as a priority to work on uh first because there is ridership between all of the stations. Who do you take service away from? Um know it's a complicated system. And then the other the other issue with it is if you're say just some of the trains are bullet trains. Well, if you have local trains in the system, you catch those trains pretty. So, at most what you would ever save on a trip time by skipping so many people is saving maybe four minutes. So, um it didn't show a huge benefit yet. The phase six of the um firmware forward plan shows quadruple tracking which is what you would need to really achieve high-speed kind of skip service trains so that those trains can get actually get around the local trains. Do you have the corridor preservation in place to do the quadrup?

Uh it is not in place right now. that is uh that is the biggest one of the biggest challenges to to doing that and to actually frankly to just double track the entire existing system. So that's still a constraint as far as getting these notes to the double bracket um for yeah we would have to purchase uh property in order to double track the entire system and in fact John will show you just even in what the property acquisitions would look like um in order for us to do do just this project. What what is the time frame as far as if you were to double track the whole thing track the whole thing that

that would be solely dependent on funding to be able to do that. So, it's kind of it will be can get the funding um little bit sooner than later, but it as as you just heard, it's very expensive to double track an existing corridor. There's a lot of rightway acquisition and and that that has to happen. I'm curious as as far as in your master plan, how far you putting out or do you have We didn't really put time frames to it. Um I joke that I won't be alive, but yeah. So there was a 2030 plan that I saw about four or five years ago. Is that still in place or is that So a 20 a 20 I think that was the title. Yeah.

2030 would be this project. Okay. That's when that that one's intended to be opened by. But they altered that very much. What's that? So your 2030 plan that was it's like five years ago you did that I think that you had to adjust that very much. I don't know what was in 30 plan that if it was anticipating this project or not. I don't know. I have to look that up. I'm sorry.

Yeah. Can I just want to say I BART in the Bay Area. It was great. It was 10 minutes if you missed the train, which was very hard. I I can relate to that running and the train pulling out of the station. Um 15 would be a huge improvement. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's anticipated to increase writership going.

Any other questions about the general project? This this uh map shows our existing double tracking is where the dark blue areas are. The red is where each of the new double tracking sections would be um in the corridor. Um purple is where the new station will be. Um so you see um from Lehi to Provo almost fully. So did you announce Spanish? Is there something going Spanish fork? There is a project called the frontr runner south extension project provo to

um that one is not currently funded but there is preliminary design and and I think some environmental work that has been completed on that from for and there is um you know potentially looking at corridor preservation for so do you see that that you're saying you're your wants for money. Are you going to focus that on your double track or are you going to extension for most of it or just quarter preservation? What's your

um I would say that this project is definitely everybody's priority right now. Um it will be up to our our leaders and lawmakers to decide what the next projects are. I think uh does anybody have any other questions about just the basics of the project and then John will get into more of the details of the impacts in the community and how that will look in as we go along here.

All right. environmental. I'm not an environmental engineer, but um um let's see. Um the uh Brad, did you did you want to mention anything about the environmental process? Um, no. I mean, no. Other than it's it's being overseen by FTA, there was a um uh environmental linkage study that was uh prepared and completed uh for the entire or FR2 project. As as far as I know, I think the EDX has been completed, right? And and um

yeah. And um so I yeah the environmental work is pretty well complete. Um there was additional it was done under a categorical exclusion um which is uh level of um environmental documentation if you're unfamiliar with that Federal Transit Administration. Um and then that environmental planning environmental document is what linked all the double tracking sections together. So we did an in separate environmental for each double tracking section that we these are just all of the typical things that are reviewed in the

Okay. All right. I'm just here. So, all right. So, the north of Borum segment um and slides turned on.

John, do you want to sit here? Um yeah,

places. I might Yeah, let me switch places the mouse here. All right. So, um, essentially our what we're calling the north of ORM, north of ORM se um station section. Um, about 1.7 miles long. Um we will be double tracking this basically from the ORM station uh north to the vineyard station or where they extended the track um to the south of the vineyard station. So basically just filling that gap. Um it's a a single track. Um pretty straightforward although the ORM segment as we call it um is more complicated. Um I'm going to start at the south end here real quick. Um, and hopefully you can you can see this. Um, if I can zoom in a little bit. Um, the uh the double track is so the orange segment or the orange station is located um in this uh area here. As you can see the uh kind of the purple or magenta track colors are the existing UDA track. The existing black or the black um track is existing up. Um so as we come out of the station northbound um the UTA track will instead of uh merging into a single track and running on the western edge or the western side of the corridor will be adding a second track that goes across the 800 South crossing grade crossing. Uh just north of the grade crossing though we actually start shifting the tracks to the east. Um and uh um and and not only UTA but up needs to be shifted as well. So all four tracks are going to be shifted to the east one one track over. And the reason why we're doing that is if you come down

maybe I'll sneak down to this next slide here. It's really about getting under the Geneva Road Bridge. Um the existing UTA track is all the way to the western edge of the of the bridge. um um underneath Geneva Road. Um and we actually looked at options of trying to get through this bridge. Um we even looked at tearing down the bridge. We looked at tunneling underneath the abupments um and back behind the abutments to keep a single track over the new double track on the western side of this existing track. It really didn't make any sense. Um, in fact, when they built the bridge back in 2012, UD do um the the the plan was to have a five track section underneath this bridge. Um, and and two of those would be UTAP tracks. So, if we go back, um, so it's a little hard to see, but we are basically shifting or scurving over track. Um and and the good news about that is is it reduces the property impacts um to um about seven properties to the um western side of the corridor. Um we'll sneak down to the property impacts for that. But um too far maybe we take out the ended in here. Anyway, they're they're there they're there's basically sliverfill or sliver takes of the of these properties just north of 800 South. Um essentially right through this block here,

right?

Yeah. Right. Yeah. That green is the temporary construction easement and you can see the red is the rightway parcel acquisition. At its widest section, it's about 8 to 10 ft. So, we're not talking a lot of property, but there will be some backyards that will be impacted, and that's only because it it takes a little while for the tracks to get shifted over one track to the east um so that we're back on existing track um on the magenta color here. So, then once um once we get to this point, you can kind of see where up is back on existing black track here. We do track to the east. We do have a new UTA track between the existing UTA track and existing UP and that essentially runs um uh all the way through the 400 South crossing. Um, and we are aware of the Q cutter project that's planned for construction I believe this summer 6 and we have been coordinating with that project and locating future traffic signals that are part of that project um for that. So we we coordinated on that. Um so we get through underneath Geneva Road. Um and as we continue um just past Geneva Road, I'm sorry, Vineyard Road here, uh the tracks actually start curving back to get back on alignment um with the new track, new double track to the west of the existing UTA track. So, and then that runs um continues north and and and I know we're city of Vineyard by now, but um that then ties into the the two tracks that are um north up towards the Vineyard station. So, um a little more complicated just

because we we have to kind of scurve over, go through uh the intersection and Geneva Road bridge and then kind of scurve back. Um and and by doing that we we have we also have to shift up which is always a challenge uh dealing with UP and and getting their approvals but um we we've been making good progress with UP so far. So um that is kind of the track alignments. Again there's that typical section. We'll have the two UTA tracks the existing one here and then the proposed one to the inside existing UPA here. We're shoving them over to here and then the proposed up over here and then a future track would be over in this this area. So, um so there's the highlights basically shifting up to the east.

Okay.

Yep. Um, and then I I guess one one thing I was going to also mention was the ORM station impacts and uh we do have um um some some rideway. Um and it's a little bit to the north of of 800 South. Um you can see here the the new track is uh the checkered track here. Um it's going to extend straight. The existing one is starting to taper back to the existing track here. Um so, um as you can see, really the only minor impacts to the parking lot is because we have to straighten out the track. Uh the the parking lot stalls kind of get rotated a few degrees and so we're have to we build this middle middle island in here. No, you're fine. Um anyway, that's um that's the station impacts. Um questions on any of that.

We have the noise. Oh noise. Yeah. Um

so in the environmental phase we had they have a we have done a noise and vibration analysis um where our trains cross over between track and create noise and vibration um as they're going through the switches. Um what we typically do for that and what we did in the past project was install spring spring well frogs which are a type of um John could get into more details if you care but a different type of switch that is quieter from what I understand and then ballast mats are actually mats that are put underneath the track that help reduce uh noise and vibration. I believe that the with the installation of both of those things the noise and vibration anal an analysis indicated that there were that they mitigate the noise and vibration impacts that are in the area. So um we were fortunate that those things were enough to to bring it in more existing type noise level in those areas. So I noticed on your slide I don't know a couple slides ago you had a sound wall. Is that right? Did I see that? Um, you know, there there's no

retaining wall. Retaining. Do you guys ever do sound wells? Um, when they're warned, measure the decibb to see if they're necessary. Yeah. Or if they would actually um improve the the issue. So, are you finding they're not or is it a financial thing? What's the um I don't think the noise impacts in this particular one were enough to warrant a noise wall. Um it was more the vibration impacts I think is why the spring rail frog and the ballast me right

that is correct and and note that we do have our noise and vibration expert here so if there's any specific questions about noise and vibration lance you know it's here to answer any questions regarding that but Lance was is there anything to to note mitigation

um yeah just what what you had said that the this the spring rail frogs, that was the issue was that these these types of where they cross the tracks, there's a gap in the rail that generates additional noise and vibration. By using these special types of crossovers, it eliminates that gap and eliminates the additional noise and vibration. So, at the track, we were able to mitigate those impacts instead of putting in something like a noise barrier. So yeah, just general status. We're finalizing our design as we mentioned mentioned we're coordinating with 400 South project. Um we have a contractor on board and constructions anticipated to start in 2027. Any other questions or so we can answer for you? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Also, I was going to mention if you guys are interested in a full presentation on the front runner forward plan happy to come back and that information to you as well.

Thanks. Exactly. Okay. Okay, next up we've got center street widening project. I'll take that. We've got uh got to fit in the next hour. We got to fit center street widening and the stationary plan is with the accident on the street. Narrow this down. Can we double track it? Can we give them both at the same time? I'm hoping that would not be as effective as

Yeah, I'll go ahead and get started. If you have any questions, just go ahead and know. The Center Street Whiting Project is from Geneva Road to 13:30 West. And there's just a map of the extents. Got currently, as you know, we've got three lanes out there. through the center permissive electron lane and then as you get to the tracks you got the medians next down to two lanes. Proposed project is to widen the five lanes throughout that whole stretch there. Just to give you a history of the project um project's a long time coming as you can see tried to put 15 years in one slide. There's been a lot that's happened a lot that's not happened. So in April 2010, uh, engineering put together a concept design and estimate and then that was submitted in 2012 to MAC, we received $1.7 million was approved. So the way it works with MAG is when it's the amounts approved for the amount for the project, but then forum is on the hook for 6.77% of that. So that's you guys understand that. Um then couple years later in 2015 as the design progressed we had a consultant that just had barely started. We got to striping mainly working on the railroad crossing and rightway impacts and then um because we were coordinating with vineyard found out that that uh there was a possibility that that railroad crossing could be abandoned or was going away. So to save on all the costs of crossings and gates, we put it on hold. Now here we are um years later and then 2023, beginning of 2024, we submitted again to get this project completed and received approval for $1 million. And then we've also received um since then a million dollars from Utah

legislature to use specifically toward the upgrades to the railroad crossing and we're currently working with the consultant on design coordination and they have been working with us since about May. So, we're slowly working with the railroad on the crossing and then the funding's available in um starting in January 1.7 and the 11 million's available in 2028. What whatever happened with the abandon of the railroad crossing did that did aband whatever happened with that? Yeah, didn't never happened. They're still using it.

Andor Union Pacific isn't interested. It has a customer at the end of it just to south or south.

It's just being used I think a couple times a week. This is just a short train that moves through there and a business near there. Uh so you can see that from this map the regional access that really is a a connector between I-15 and Geneva or Vineyard. You're going north to Pleasant Grove Provo is pretty significant little piece there that's really creating a bottleneck. This is just a street view looking to the west. See there two lanes and this is looking back to the east. Three lanes. This is just a a shot for you. A view of the annual average daily traffic counts all along Center Street. You have in the the 30,000 range. You get to center street does go down a little bit. But if you were to compare, if you look over here, you would be like as you go past the city park over here, past four northeast, trying to compare the 25,000 with 20. You can imagine if we neck down center street to two lanes with a center turn lane, it would be it doesn't it it's already bad right here. But you can kind of compare there that that it needs to be fixed. And then uh vineyard, you've got 10 to 15,000 average daily traffic. This is just a map of the different mag projects awarded in 2024. The red ones are road project. Here's our worm center street widening other projects. You've got green active transportation and then the airport was another one. This is just if you were to look on the MAG website, the regional transportation plan, you could find our project there along with other projects and then different priorities and bases.

And then these next few slides just show kind of how it's evolved over the years with when we first looked at it in 2015, we looked at um primarily widening on the north side with the reconstruct here at the tracks and then mail and overlays five lanes. This is just zoomed into the that west side. um mostly looking at the striping plan showing the five lanes and then as we got to 2024 we looked at possibly doing sidewalk on both sides. So there will be impacts to I think the the north side is there different concepts we're looking at make the most sense and businesses and and how those are impacted and then what sidewalk and so we're currently working with our design engineer to cost estimates and that was a hands questions I Explain that agreement.

Yeah, forgot to do that at the beginning. The resolution is for an agreement between Utah County and city borum to basically approve the the funding 11 million which will be available in 2028 and then the 1.7 million is January. That'll still be included in the consent items.

Any questions? Thanks. I don't think there's next people left. Do you want to move on to Oh, it's Gary. That's Gary on the stationary stationary. I tried to jump in. I already gave my presentation during tagerts. Very good. As we double track. Thank you.

Same. Um Jared's going to help with this. And while he's coming up, let let me tell you about station area plans and the frontr runner station area plan. The council's seen that a few times that has come before you. uh station areas. State law was changed requiring all municipalities that have a fixed guideway or a a station a fixed guideway station in their jurisdiction. They needed to do a a station area plan and it's called an SAP. And so Orum contracted with uh a group that came and this consultant led a a planning effort around the Front Runner station. You've probably seen this several times. And so that plan uh we have taken that already to MAG and they've looked at it. And MAG's role in this is to come in and say, "Okay, state law, when you do a stationary plan, you have to put put certain things into your plan and address them." And so they looked at our stationary plan and said, "Yes, you have addressed all of the state law requirements. We also have three other stations that qualify in ORM and those are on the Parkway for the UVX. One is at Northwest which is uh approximately right where Honey Bake Cam is uh and Hobby Lobby that area. The other one is just right

next to it uh uh not too far away um at Main Street and that's at Ashley Furniture uh that area and and the auto dealerships across the street to the north. Then the third one is at University Place Mall. So you've been to the Hillrest Park where uh pickle ball courts are. It's right there in University Parkway. These three stations are in University Parkway. So, state law requires us to go in and do a station area plan. However, state law does provide a way for a municipality to not be required to do a station area plan for those fixed guideway stations. And if you pass a resolution of impracticability and your resolution of impracticability means you've looked at the stations and for a variety of things including uh uh particular land use patterns um things like that. uh the existing development, land ownership, uses, uh opportunities for new development. If you come in and you do an analysis of that and based on that analysis, the county determines that it's impractical to do a plan, then you pass a resolution determining that it's impractical to do a plan. And then that in a in a sense is our plan and we're excused from doing the

full-blown plan. So before you tonight, we have three resolutions for the Northwest. We call it the Lake View station by Honey Bake Tan, the Main Street Station, and the University Place Station. We have resolutions for the council where you can find that it's impractical to do a plan for these areas. So, I went through that introduction to what we have and then Jared will b go through uh quickly our station area plan and then we'll jump in and talk about these UVX stations and why it doesn't make sense for us to do a big plan on that corridor uh on the Parkway corridor for those three stations. Fair enough. Any questions about this so far? Okay. Okay. Um, let me just run through a couple of things on the on the Front Runner station area plan itself. This one was like Gary mentioned, this was a full-blown plan. Um, the main takeaway comes down to six guiding principles out of this plan. Focus growth in the stationary village. Provide housing options to meet a variety of needs. Provide transportation choices. Connect people to nature and opportunities to be outside. There's some trail connections that can be made as we do planning for this. uh encourage community with gathering spaces that can be provided in this kind of plan as well and to support long-term uh positive economic impacts. Um there are overall objectives that are part of HP 462 that requires us to do these kinds of plans. Um those include maximizing development development potential in appropriate areas i.e around the stations and uh cities and citizens to determine how best to meet those shared objectives. Those shared objectives are in that code uh increasing the availability of affordability of housing, promoting sustainable environmental conditions, enhancing access to opportunities,

increasing transportation choices and connections. And you can see how happy that makes all of these people. So, uh just a a brief history because I know it's been a while since you guys have all seen this stuff before, but for a while, right? So, just a brief overview of how that went. There were public workshops and open houses. There was a vision concept celebration and there were implementation phases for all of this. It happened again a while ago. Um there was a lot of public engagement during 2023 planning commission meetings, city council meetings, stakeholder meetings, the workshops that we just talked about, um including postcards, newsletters, um sandwich boards, email invites, and that kind of thing. Uh 225 plus people at the public workshop. Uh a bunch of survey responses as well. And those were all geared toward creating um a way to to generate scenarios. And we'll look at those real quickly here too. Uh there were um tested values and preferences. 548 people responded to that. Um and that all results in 17 maps that were part of a workshop for mapping. And these maps, the favored ones, generated the three station area scenarios. Uh the first one being the stationary mixed juice village. ideas. Uh the UVU mixed juice village and the neighborhood infill. Um the neighborhood infill wound up being the least favored of those scenarios, the least um effective viewed the the one viewed as least effective and the focus is mostly on the mixed juice village kind of deal. Um there were a lot of responses to the ideas that were brought out in those scenarios and that that's the response that I was just talking about. Most people favored the mixed juice village concepts. Uh and that is and this is the statement that came out of that. Um Form Station is an urban neighborhood that supports residents, UVU students and commuters who are living, working, playing, learning, and traveling in the

area. It's a friendly place to call home, an innovative educational and vocational hub. A launchpad for work days and school days, and a place to gather and enjoy time with friends, family, classmates, and co-workers. I especially like this one because it's a launchpad for my workday. If I fall asleep, I miss the easier stop. Uh so if my alarm goes I have phone an alarm set on my phone. If that goes off during the public hearing tonight, you'll know what that is. I won't reach for it. I'll just let it out. Um the this is the station area. This is a fun uh the consultants put this together. This is the station area of an aerial view of it. I don't know if you guys got to see this before. I think you did, but it shows kind of the one of the scenarios laid over it. the mixed use village. Um and this as Gary said has has gone to MAG and the policy committee has been accepted and endorsed. Um if you as a commission as a council resolve tonight do pass the resolution then we'll have met the requirements to that code and just as a final deal those guiding principles again are those five or those six rather focusing the growth in the stationary village uh and providing those housing options transportation choices trail connections that are important those gathering spaces we can get and then again this is it's an opportunity at the station itself at the firm station to create some really positive economic impacts in future Any questions about the the front runner station area plan?

Now, one thing the stationary plan for front run runner what it does not do is require or commit the council to any particular zoning at this time. It's a plan we go forward as projects would come in based on that plan. They would be evaluated by the council. It does have some action items to to look at. Um uh for instance, one of the action items is working with UTA to get uh density at the the station and to protect single family neighborhoods surrounding UVU. Um it it has us uh work on those issues first before we would even consider doing things in other places.

Yeah. And I I neglected to show there's a there is a really good implementation plan for the area and it does exactly those things Gary's talking about. Times those all out, knows what to work on first, when that kind of thing should be done, etc. So by p by approving this plan or a resolution uh approving this plan um it doesn't commit to any particular action other than studying issues forward on those types of issues uh and doing further study and it does send a signal to uh UVU the state of Utah UTA and private developers that we are interested did in development around the UTA station and on UVU campus um uh before we start doing other things that are outside of those areas

and just because I serve or have served on this uh stationary plan committee for MAG attending the MAG meetings um one of the focuses for our particular area here in ORM has been to what Gary said to that point, student housing and owner occupied housing. So, if I'm remembering, you know, we had a percentage or um of owner occupied we wanted to achieve. Yeah. Yeah. We we talked about in in ORM we have uh we want owner occupants. Um now students by necessity aren't owner occupants. Two different Yeah.

Yeah. They're two separate demographics and and students uh we need uh well-designed good safe places for them to live. Uh but we want to avoid that happening in existing viable single family neighborhoods because we like having those neighborhoods. They are the backbone of stability in the city. And so there is a place for student housing and higher density housing, but under this plan, it starts at the station and going there. We that's where we think the closer you can get to uh FrontRunner and to UVU, the better it is for everyone. And study after study, I know uh Brigham Y Young University went through and did a major study and they found that students that the closer they live to campus, the better they do in school. And so that's another reason why to try and do this type of plan, protect our single family neighborhoods, but yet put development especially for student housing where it makes sense and how it makes sense. Perhaps I mean the vision, the dream, the know is that if we can get some developer that interested in student housing similar to what happened along um foothill at the University of Utah, we can get someone there. Then we may be able to if we create this additional student housing, the students will move out of the illegally occupied residential owner occupied stuff and they'll have a they'll have a better fit for them, a better designed housing

product for them. So those were the discussions we had around this as we put this um plan together was to really focus on ORM's needs which because of our uniqueness you know we have we need that student housing opportunity or that firsttime home buyer owned opportunity am I am I saying that I wish I had said that so Gary so Um we are adopting the or frontr runner station plan but then all the next three resolutions are absolutely not at density at those stations going up.

Yeah. And and so we're going to shift now, okay, from the frontr runner station, the station area plan, the SAP, and now we're going to talk about the three UVX stations and why we believe it's impractical and would request the council to adopt these resolutions determining that it's impractical to do three stationary plans. It's common sense. Mostly it's common sense. I I will go into slightly more detail, but but common sense, right? It's a legal term. It's a legal term. There you go. Legal term. Though Dave has has let me know that rarely do I use common sense except in this instance.

Okay. Did you want to go on to the others then? Is that If there's not any more questions, let's jump to the uh UBX. No, you got to keep going there. I might have done it out of order. Sorry.

Right there. Okay. So, again, under the state law, you do an SAP unless you find that station area planning is impracticable. And there's and we've got the lake view, the lake views by uh Honey Bake Dam. uh the main street and university place and our uh recommendation to the council is to adopt a resolution of impracticability and we'll tell you why. Next slide. As you look at this view in the Oram Central Station and then we come to Lake View and then Main Street and University Place along the Parkway. Next slide. And so the Lake View station, you only do a study within a quarter mile of the actual station. So if you look at this station right now, everything is already built out around it and is unlikely to redevelop. And as a matter of fact, the whole corridor that we have on the university parkway is one of the main economic engines of ORM city. That corridor uh gives us a significant amount of sales tax revenue which funds things like uh fire, police, parks, helps with roads, and other types of issues. Now, if you go look and now we're going up the Parkway now at the next station is uh the main street.

Ironically, it funds UVX also. It and it does help fund UVX. Sales tax. Yes. Sales tax.

Now, if you look at the U the main street station again, we have a completely almost completely built out area. one of the parcels in there where on the right there that is uh a parcel that could be developed and we own it and we intend to develop it. We're have we have plans for a fire station there to enhance our emergency response to residents of Orange. So the major uh parcel the other one you can see just south of Ashley that's a detention basin. we we we can't do without that. So these areas are already developed. Now if you can go to the next slide, this is uh

University University Place and that's Main Street. It's supposed to be University Place though. Yeah, we we messed up and didn't put in University Place. So in your mind's eye, picture university place. We all know what's there. How much housing is there?

Yeah. How much housing is there? Now, University Place and the Front Runner Station, the student housing that we have there, we look at those as bookends of our major corridor through the community. So at University Place, we've spent a lot of time and effort as not only a city and a community working with Woodberry and the time and effort they've spent putting in uh a revamping the mall, putting in residential, uh doing all of the things that you see part of our economic development plan. You have on the agenda tonight, uh Costco or not Costco, Home Depot, Home Depot. Um, we just spent uh a lot of time and effort and money putting in the Hillrest Park which is immediately adjacent to the uh station. And so as we've looked at that with the bookands in the importance of the economic corridor which we have and that the property in the station areas are already 90 plus% developed. And it's unlikely, especially where you have the single family homes, that those could be aggregated to come in and put in higher density housing is really remote. It's impracticable to do that. Also, in addition, we have current plans that are bigger than these individual stations. It does no sense to do an individual uh analysis around the Main Street station here to look at transportation and things like that when frankly we're

in the middle of a major update of our ORM city active transportation plan right now which will take into account these uh individual stations but not will only they take into account the individual station it will look at the larger picture of the corridor as a whole. Also, our economic development plan. Uh, one of the things coming up uh in the near future would be to uh as we look at our our uh economic development, what are the gaps in services we provide in ORM? the types of businesses. Where do people in Oram leave the city to go purchase things or uh get things that we could provide here? That'll help us with this strategic corridor. So, it makes no sense to go in with uh auto dealerships and tell them, "No, we don't want you in the community. We'd prefer to have moderate income housing there." you need tax revenue to be able to help and fund these types of programs. When UVX when Janelle came in uh uh doing the double tracking from UTA um we looked at each other and waved because we worked on the UVX uh program and and BRP from the beginning. Uh and one of the reasons why these stations are on this corridor is because of the commercial viability and what it brings to ORM and getting uh people to those places. I can tell you one of the main reasons in Provo we wanted UVX stations where they are and why ORM wanted some UVX stations where they are is because we needed that to help enhance our commercial corridor.

So, we already have our plan. We don't need to do a plan. It's not likely to redevelop. And frankly, we don't want it to redevelop. If anything, we want our commercial corridor not to redevelop, but to be develop enhance the commercial activity that's already there while we can use uh BRT for those purposes along those corridors. So with the book end of student housing around UVU putting it where it makes sense working with that station area plan we have there what we've already done with uh you not Utah University Place Mall in the Woodberry Corporation trying to enhance what they do. The more successful they are the more successful we are. the more successful every single commercial uh business along this corridor, the more successful we can be as a city in providing the services and the uh things that the residents need. And so for those reasons and and I don't want to just read the report to you but other things in our report uh we would urge you to adopt a resolution of impracticability for the Lake View Main Street and uh University Place Stations. Uh even though you didn't see the map but University Play Station, we'll we'll fix that and put that in the presentation question. Barry and or Jared, maybe you could summarize the analysis that we did as we looked at within a quarter mile these stations or even a half mile of these stations, how many housing units are already existing just off of the university place corridor because there actually is a surprising amount of

lot. Yeah. Town homes, duplexes, forplexes. I won't have the number in front of me, but for example, the Lake View station Just about 60% of the land in this area is used up with single family, condominium and apartments. Um, in this area, another 30 some odd percent is 10% or so is institutional. There's literally almost nothing. And those numbers are similar, though they start to skew more toward um commercial development as you get to university place. But again, at Main Street, same same kinds of numbers. There's hundreds of units. So living here.

So for instance in the lake view within a quarter mile of the lake view station there are uh almost 850 um uh units or I mean beds total beds. Okay. Um within a half mile. So from a quarter mile to a half mile. Boy, total beds there are roughly almost oh a little over 2,500.

So what you're saying is we can't believe do this as specified because we've already done it. Not only have we already done it and this activity just outside it to do something would damage us and be a net drain on the city and a delterious impact to what we've already done

and we've already like 40 30 40 years ago right we gave RDAs or CDAs businesses to develop that corridor to cement and our foundation of sales tax for our budget. So we have made significant investment in this area that would be undone by following a plan that somebody in Lehi is using for vacant land. You know um it would destroy our economic engine our commercial corridor that we have had 30 40 50ear investment in. So that would not be a wise that would not be practicable

to to summarize a message that we both heard and expressed to state legislators to ULCT staff and even recently to MAC staff is that the intent of these station area plans was to try and get in other places what ORM already has. Yeah. So this isn't uh uh plan it so it'll come. It's we probably got it here and that's why we have these stations in the first place.

And Oram is not the first to have done this. South Jordan did one on the uh uh on the old off just off the old Bingham Highway. I think it's the red line for the the uh Oh, good heavens. Tracks.

The tracks. Yeah. Um they've done it there. Salt Lake City just did this for five of their stations community and and and part of the justification is one is it's all a single family neighborhood, you know, and not only that single family neighborhoods are small lots owned by lots of different individuals that they could all come together and aggregate several acres to build a large apartment complex, even if that's what you wanted to do. is in infeasible. It's just not going to happen. So, it makes no sense to us to drag the community through a planning process for a tiny little quarter size area around these stations when we're already addressing these issues. We've already uh have addressed them and we're continuing to make refinements through transportation planning. We're we're working on our general plan. or our economic development plan. It just it just is impractical to do it.

We we could call it resolution of common sense. I like it. Well, but that would be shocking because you you'd have to do it three times. Yeah, they are separate resolutions. each one.

Um I think this is just sorry just la one last thing that this is just a kind of a summary of different stations and the the different kind of things that are in the statute that we were able to find at all the stations and and site and say we have development issues, ownership issues, land use issues, market readiness issues. Gary's described all of these and development impediments. Um and just some highlighted findings from those reports. So we will then take uh assuming the council would be favorable towards this and you adopt these resolutions, we will then take them and give them to MAG and say MAG, the city council of Oram uh has determined that it's impracticable and and go from there and that should uh take care of our requirements under the SAP laws. Any questions?

Then we're pretty confident that that will meet their demands. I mean, as you're saying, other cities are doing this. This is not an uncommon thing. And just makes sense.

Yeah, I I I think so. it. To be honest, it's been a little hard for uh Summit Mag to get their arm arms around this, but we've been working with them, helping them understand uh what the state law requirements are and what their role in it is and their role really in this is not to uh replace the city council of ORM's judgment with their own about, you know, if we were on the council, would we do this or would we do a plan? It's did you follow the state law requirements and we think we have state law allows you to make this determination and it's it's uh we think uh there's ample uh findings and conclusions in the report upon which you can make that

I mean practically you you'd have to tear down the area build new you know new buildings which makes absolutely no sense. Yeah. and even conversations with bag. They're saying, you know, yeah, we we don't think that you would disrupt your whole economic corridor to build highdensity housing all along it. And it's like, exactly. So that's one of the major which is actually kind of what it says we should do.

Yeah. And that that was one of the major reasons for the SAP law was to go in and take a look at it and see if you could leverage near transit stations, higher density residential. And we've done that in the Front Runner station area, but in these it doesn't make sense. Uh, one of the the core things that a council does is is uh in protecting the health, safety, and general welfare of the community is looking out for the tax base and making sure that that's robust for the entire community, not just a little line along there. I I I have a hard time imagining ORM would have said, "Yes, let's have three stations here. If this means in in 10 years we've got to come back and get rid of commercial and put in high density along this line. I don't think anybody would I hate to resort to common sense when we're talking political things, but I I don't think it and part of the answer to that questions too is uh we're trying to show that we don't need to re plan. Uh, and Ryan could maybe speak to this better than anyone, but done that anytime the city has done RDAs or CDAs in the past, it's not just done in isolation. It's done through a planning process too and envisioning what is going to go there and what's going to be attractive there and why why not to engage in an RD extra dollar and I think when presented in that way it's it's it's hard to argue with um I I look at near where I work in American Fort near their station and that's open land so to council member Millet's comments they have open land that they can

develop, not land that's already developed. So, it just it makes sense to do that there and to keep us where we're at here. And to add to that, that's already developed and invest prior investments.

That's the key, right? Is in the past our taxpayers, our city for, you know, forego some taxpayer dollars in order to I remember when Lowe's happened, right? They tore down houses there and brought that in uh to add more revenues to our budget. And now that RDA's rolled off, we are reaping the benefits of that. We're set we're a community such that we don't have to offer more RDAs. We have businesses that are remodeling and redeveloping and refurbishing because forum is the place to be who sell wise. So why do we need to do revitalization with housing? We don't. We're supplying it. I I mean it's been fun working on this um over the last year because we have seen I have seen what a great place ORM is in and what decisions that were made 30 40 years ago that have put us in that place and let's keep it let's not destroy it because some other city around American Fork Station it fits for them

right and we we have a very robust housing situation already we're 40ome percent rentals right and then we've got all the other housing in the And so why would you have a commercial base that supports all of that existing housing to grant more housing in there and decrease your commercial base? That makes no sense. Thank you. Thanks. It's wildland. All right. So that will be on the consent items, right?

Yes. All right. Um, why don't why don't we go ahead and take a break for some food and then we'll come right back to this. She a five minute break or so. We have a volunteer to say the blessing on the food.

I'll stay. Our beloved father in heaven, we're so grateful for the opportunity we have to meet tonight, for the environment of what we have to meet in and for the blessings of the city that we live in. Pray, Father, for a blessing upon the food that we're about to partake of that it will give us the nourishment and the strength that we need and we can use that strength in serving thee and those around us. Pray for thy continued blessings in our decision-making processes and on those who are in need of thy blessings when we say these things in the son of Jesus Christ. Yeah, thank you.

All right, let's go ahead and come back to item 1.4, wildland interface code.

All right, good evening. Um, so we're here to talk about the wildland interface code. this uh is before us um because of uh action taken by the state legislature last legislative session. Um if you'll remember about a year ago, a little bit less than a year ago at this point, there were those large fires in California, the Eaton fire and the Palisades fire um which resulted in in loss of of thousands and thousands of buildings, primarily residential buildings. Um and uh you know that that has effects all over the place and and so the legislature passed HB House Bill 48 um response to those fires to kind of help prevent similar disasters from happening here in Utah. Um the aspect of that bill that affects us as a city is that as a city we're we're required to adopt the wildland urban interface code which is a building code. So um basically what it does is it requires uh buildings that are being built in uh an area that wildland in the city. So basically on kind of the east end by opinion um building being built there would have to comply with this use code which basically requires them to have um exteriors that are more flame resistant in terms of roofing and siding and that kind of a thing. Um and uh as as part of as part of that code, uh you city council, the legislative body has to determine where that applies. Um and and that is on recommendation of our building official and uh cooperation

with the state um in in determining where there are high risks for fire wild wildland fires in the city or next to the city. Um and so again, as part of HB48, the state created a map that showed risk of wildland fire. And that's um what I have up here is a map that we actually made uh that came from their data. You'll see the the shaded areas there are where uh there is risk for wildland fire. Um and as you can see uh the biggest risk again for us is just in this northeastern quadrant here. And so as a result uh the state and our city building officials have come up with this map um which is the wildland urban interface defined area meaning any new buildings in this hatched area here have to comply with this new code. Um the way it's drawn up uh doesn't really include uh any current buildings. um until we get over here uh next to the canyon, you've got a bunch of uh uh water infrastructure buildings and then uh we've got our tempos park and then there are a couple of residential homes way up here in this end. Um but it really affects just a very very small portion of city here. Uh the importance of adopting this code is that it's it's tied to money. Um if there is a wildland fire and uh we are required to respond to it, our fire department is required to respond to it, um the state will help pay for the costs, especially the most the more expensive costs like the aerial support.

Um and uh adopting this code uh allows us to be eligible for those funds in in the event of a fire. In the end for for our city, this is mostly just a housekeeping item. Um, again, very very little property will actually be affected by it. Uh, we are aware of a push to either refuel or change HB48 um in the coming legislative session. And um Councilwoman Phil may want to speak to that more directly, but um

we would keep a eye on that or a finger on the pulse of that and if we're coming back based off of what the big Yeah. Whatever changes happened there, we would definitely take action on as as soon as we could. Erin, um, so when we had the fire years ago and there were some neighborhoods that were pretty close, so if we put this in place, is that just for would it be helpful to those homes that are already in existence to receive I guess the help is more for the firefighting, it doesn't go towards helping the homeowners.

That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. the money doesn't wouldn't go to the homeowners. Um, you know, if there's a disaster declared that might get involved, it would be mainly between the homeowners and their insurance companies. Um, this helps us be able to but it it it affects the city. Um, the money comes to the city to help fight it.

Thank you. So just to summarize so I mean the way I understand it is the state is saying based on this new law that we need to change our zoning provide a better buffer for those buffer areas and if we do that then they participate in their cost for firefighting if fire occurs one of these areas that go so technically we're not changing a zone in any way right we're just saying that there's this map and and any new buildings within this this uh hatched area have to comply with the new building code as far as our zoning goes. It doesn't affect our zoning at all.

Annually, we do things to maintain this agreement. This is just an addition they've added on to Well, this is an addition to an existing.

Yeah. So, we have this agreement where we um do mitigation work up on the foothills every year. We buy buy a new wildland apparatus that goes a long way towards this also our training. So that's an annual cycle. This is just a new part of that agreement. Um any other questions about how this affects the city or residents or anything? Like I say, it's a it's it's a it's a fairly small housekeeping thing just to ensure that we have access to that money in the event of of a wildland fire. Sounds good.

That's it. Thank you. Okay, let's go to five general pen preservation elements.

Yeah. So, last time we were here, we talked about a new uh chapter or element to the our general plan. State law requires us to put it in and it deals with uh water conservation preservation and this went to planning commission. planning commission has made a recommend to you and we we have to put something into our code and uh we gave a presentation last time and the conversation uh at one point came up about okay people are taking out their park strips and things like that and using pesticides and herbicides and fertilizer on other things. Does that get into the groundwater? what do we do? So what we are coming back and having looked at that we think there are two things. One is uh in in the document we would add a there's a policy five uh 5.0 0 we'd add a 5.1 and it basically says promote responsible and proper use of herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers to protect water resources. And this is section five deals with our our public education to reach out and help people understand what's an appropriate use and how to use it. And as we were doing that and planning, uh Reed went out and talked with our consultant to see what more are else is out there and what their opinion is because frankly um we didn't quite know what to do as as a city with this issue.

Yeah. So yeah, the takeaway that I had or the questions that were were raised at at the the last meeting are uh were does changing from grass to zero escaping increase the use of uh herbicides and then what is the risk of these chem chemicals migrating into our aquifer. So with those questions, I did some research on my own, looked online to see what was there and there was there was uh there was uh primarily um information suggesting that the risk was relatively low uh but not non-existent. And then there were other sources that said that it we to uh be cautious with with it. Um of course it's it's chemicals. uh it's not necessarily something that we want to expose ourselves to in in in high concentrations. I also a friend of mine who's a professor of aronomy and hororticulture at BYU and asked him and he said that the the risk is relatively uh low uh for it to get into the aquifers and then also talked with our engineer Lance Nielsen with Allen and Loose. Lance is uh well recognized well expert in in the water in water industry here in Utah. his team designed uh well number 10 that been drilled and that we will be using uh with the with the tank here the next year and a half or so. Um and uh he he uh helped educate us to to better understand uh the risks associated uh with with sear escaping and and the idea that

there would be an increased use of herbicides. And and so the quick answer to those questions is that uh conversion of park strips from grass to zero escaping does not increase the risk of groundwater contamination and I'll explain why and that when stored and used properly the risk of mitigation into the water aquifers is extremely low. So so why why does it not increase? cuz it makes sense that if you're going from a grassy area to weeds, which the easiest way to uh to control those would be with a with a chemical. Um, and what what I've learned is that every type of landscaping that we have has some sort of demand for some sort of chemical on it, whether it be aide, pesticide or fertilizer. So when you convert from a grass uh to a non-ve non-vegetative landscaping or zeroscaping then you're essentially exchanging use of one for the other. So something that was grass but no longer would that you would apply herbicides to uh used to receive uh fertilizers and pesticides. Um, and so you're basically exchanging the use of fertilizers and pesticides on grass for the use of herbicides on on the in zeroscaping. So, uh, what what I've learned is that changing landscaping does not increase groundwater risk. It just changes which chemical is involved. Um, so knowing that, what's our solution? can't ban it

all together. Um, that would uh that would that would uh is not not a arguably not the best solution. Um, but what we can do is help the public know what they should be doing. Um I believe in the last meeting we mentioned that there are uh as when you apply these types of chemicals you should follow the label or the manufacturers's uh instructions on how to apply it and how frequently how much um and uh in what weather conditions and uh the experts that I consulted with uh said that by simply doing that that that will mitigate uh the risk of groundwater contamination and decrease it um low enough that it that it's acceptable. Um so that's the purpose of the uh policy 5.1 that uh that we that we included in the general plan. Uh and that that uh that new policy which just states things that we um are already doing is to promote responsible and proper use of herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers to protect water sources. Now I said that we already do this. We we have uh a drinking water source protection plan. It's a plan that we update every six years. Um, in fact, in 2026, we'll be updating the water source protection plan for our wells. Uh, we also have a water source protection plan for our springs as well, which is also updated every six years,

but that was updated three years ago. So, we'll update that again in in three years. But these this plan or these plans with springs and low uh they include uh public education and management strategies for residential use of herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers. We also have the annual uh the city's annual water quality report which we have to update and publish online. Uh the water quality report has to be on the landing page the city's uh website. So, if you go to forum.gov, you'll see a link to the city's water quality report. In that report is a section that reminds all residents that they need to apply chemicals in accordance with the manufacturers's recommendations and uh and some other other tips related to that. We also have a booth at at Orumfest uh where we get out and try to educate um the public on the importance of of uh making sure that we uh that that we protect our water supplies by following the manufacturer's uh recommendations for herbicides and other uh other practices that can help protect all of our sources of water. So, um, as I mentioned, these are things that we do. We do recognize that we could probably do a better effort and and use, uh, social media into at times of the year. We know that herbicides are going to be used a bit more and, uh, just put little blurbs out there reminding them that they need to to follow um, manufacturers's recommendation and perhaps post those. So, Uh that's my report. That's what I learned and felt that the best way to address the

concerns that up was to the general plan that we will uh we'll have we created a policy that promotes uh the correct use of these these chemicals as in our landscaping.

Re brings up a really good point. I know in Provo we had uh an educational campaign actually on fertilizers uh because of lake and people overfertilizing their lawn. When I mean overfertilizing getting it onto the sidewalks and out into the street and then that got in was getting into our storm water system and the phosphates and nitrogens were from that go to Utah Lake and cause a lot of problems. So, so it's not just herbicides or pesticides, the fertilizer. And a lot of people don't realize that that and so now if you see me, I over apply my fertilizer. I'm out there with a broom sweeping it back onto the lawn cuz it's okay if it's on the lawn, but if it just gets into the storm water system, it often will find its way into the lake with high levels of so I think this is a really smart approach that public works has come up with that it's not just herbicides. We we need to think about fertilizer too

and we can commit to doing you know like a cool catchy little video that helps educate public on proper uses and fun maybe putting in a easily implicable way what have you have you ever seen a neighborhood where somebody knows what you're talking about Gary and basically fertilize the road and like everything and then somebody turns the sprinklers on and then it all turns orange. Yes. All through the concrete. That would be a good video.

And that actually ends up often in the storm heads out to the lake.

And I'm just going to comment because this is my little catchall about the science of everything, right? And I always say when I grew up, eggs were bad for you and avocados were a luxury you never ate because they were so fattening. They had bad fat, right? So what do I do now? We now we know that eggs are the perfect protein and I put an avocado in my smoothie every morning. So, I think we're just being cognizant and and identifying that yes, right now our science is telling us this is dissipating, this is fine, but still let's be responsible with how we're doing it and what we're using it because we don't know all the science. We could be proved wrong in another decade. So, I appreciate you're adding that. Welcome.

Okay. Anything else? I believe this will be a consent item. No, I think this is a uh should be a hearing. Maybe I misread it.

Yeah, the very last one. I think it's a channel. All right. Thank you. Couple more things. One thing I want to bring up um talked about this in a previous council meeting

and we kind of uh round and round about it. It was when we were having the election and we were having the conversations about dark money and we had you know we we had a whole conversation about that. At the end of that, um, I suggested that we put boxes on the election forms where a candidate could check a box and say, "I'm accepting dark money or I'm not accepting dark money." And uh, or there could even be a box that I don't know if I'm accepting dark money, but we talked about that and went all over the place after we left. And Tom, if he's online, uh, talked to me later and said that he had talked to those that usually vote with him and they had agreed to put that on the forum. And so just following back up on that, bringing that full circle, I'd like that to go on the record that we as long as everyone's still okay with that that we put that on our election forms.

Yeah. And just to clarify, sounds like a nefarious term. It's just an identification of a type of of of organization that doesn't have to report where the donor money comes from. That money is then tagged to dark money. And I really appreciated Smith's presentation where he said both sides use it. You know, states are starting to come online with that. So I appreciate mayor you're being proactive in saying in Oram want to kind of now or let's identify this now and you really have no solution but let's do that solution which is the best we can do right now

to identify it. Yeah.

And it and it is fairly simple. I mean, another person is receiving donations from donors like regular people, real people. Um, they don't have any dark money concerns. If they're receiving money from an organization has layers, then they have potential dark money concerns. And so, it would be up to the candidates to kind of look at where they're getting their money from and say, is this potentially dark money or clearly not? So it's just a way that a candidate can come out and identify this is who's funding my campaign because as we've talked who's funding our campaigns is critical to influence in our elections. So

significance good with that. Okay. Um let's run through this agenda really quickly. Actually got uh you want to do on your council?

Sure. um stationary plan you saw tonight that was wrapping up now these plans are done. Um so I serve on that commission. I serve on the let's see America 250 which they're using coordinating that with a lot of what's happening in the state. There's a a neighborhood pot coming up in July that we're going to do citywide. Just some fun things like that. Um Utah Lake Authority, that one has been just fantastic. they are um really helping the public understand why Utah Lake is the way it is. It's why we have these labels that aren't necessarily true. It's it's a beautiful place to be on and sail. And really um one really important thing with that is they have just kind of fun created uh at BYU these carp boats. So they go through and they are pulling the carp out with um these boats that are specially designed to pull it out. They have a carp hunt where you can bow hunt the carp. So basically you've done that.

Basically the carp are the problem, right? Cuz they're stirring up the bottom making the the rise to the top which which is creating the algal blooms. So anyway, they're getting a great handle on that. They're they're replanting just really bringing back the beauty. There are plans for trails and all kinds of great things going on at Utell Lake Authority. Um neighborhood commission. We have had um just kind of a new revamp of that within the last couple years. I think some real opportunity for the whole idea is for that to be a representative kind of a liaison for the council to use to get feedback from the commission. So doing some great things there. Um I'm trying to think what else I'm going to uh oh arts commission. Yeah, arts is really great too. We we're really so in ORM we don't produce art. We have enough groups that produce art that our arts commission supports them. So we have a wide variety of artists on that commission. They especially Durham Ormfest and those uh the Rockfest introduce um organizations. They're doing looking into some street art, some sidewalk art and of course the heart of ORM will have some great opportunities for art. So, we're looking for someone who has some great experience in sculpture and outdoor art. If you know of anyone, get them to apply for that commission. That's it.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that update. Let's just run through our agenda tonight. Uh we'll start at six. Call of order. Like I have a lot of stuff on here. Yes, we'll have invocation from Jack Rhodess for Patrick who invited folks. I did. So, you'll introduce them. Okay.

And then we'll go into the mayor's report items referred by the council. We'll have a presentation from ORM High School football state champs. Uh 7.2 a presentation strate from our strategy and innovation on grants and where we're at with that. Item 7.3 a report on the cultural arts advisory commission. Item 7.4 a presentation about the 2025 Gold Star family memorial fundraising report. Item 7.5 presentation fair farewell to mayor and city council. Uh item eight, personal appearances. Item nine, consent items. A lot of these things we've been talking about. Approval of meeting minutes for November 18th. The appointment of Mayor Prom Chris Kilpac. Item 9.3 appointment transportation advisory commission Walker. Item 9.4 reappoint to the care advisory commission Shoemaker. Item 9.5 an appointment to the recreation advisory commission Jill Balor 9.6 I don't know if this is not on everyone that says Shaa McKay was on the reappoint the care

she's got she's out of the country so she's not going to be able to serve okay well that's scratched out so it's only Mary Shoemaker appointment to the recreation advisory commission Jill Balor item 9.6 a resolution approving Rising the mayor to execute interlocal agreement with Utah County for funding agreement on center street between I-15 and Geneva road 9.7 resolution to adopt the wildland urban base area map.

You guys are trying to get a whole bunch of stuff. I tried to get them to do public on each one.

9.8 8 ordinance on building code update 9.9 another resolution adding the or for stationary planing conditions of impractic impracticability a good one for stationary plan that word doesn't even make sense impracticable it's impractical we're following state

9.1 one another resolution to find infracticability and another one 9.12 9.13 so 13 items on the consent items an ordinance amending section 27-6 of the orms equals add new subsection T pertaining to exceptions to bidding requirements

um item 10 schedule items a resolution fiscal year 2025 independ dependent financial audit. So we'll hear from the auditors approve that item 10.2 a public hearing ordinance for 17 South Geneva Road 5 to seat two for retail concept 10.3 a public hearing ordinance text amendment for PD36.

Okay. Okay. So, just to be clear, so we're going to have a public hearing on all these things and then we're going to vote to approve or deny the ordinance after that public hearing. There's no time frame that we have to wait for 30 days or whatever on any of these. These are public hearing and then we vote. Yes. Is that right? Yes. Right. They've all been properly noticed as public hearings.

Item 10.4 for public hearing ordinance 575 East 1000 South from RA through B34 for home depot item 10.5 public hearing ordinance general plan update and preservation you are kidding as far as set items 13 and the public hearings like five we we've never had this before like messing You skipped a couple. So we've all added up last six months worth of meetings.

Then we got the famous number 11 financial information. We'll have to see if the wants to start doing that one. Um item 12, C manager information items. Item 13, adjourn to a meeting the Oregon Redevelopment Agency, the RDA, which will simply be we'll just have a motion to adjurnn to that. We'll still stay there with will be the RDI consent items. Um items and then we'll adjourn. Any questions? Just breathe. Just breathe.

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We'd like to welcome everyone here tonight and call this meeting to order. We'll start out with an invocation uh from Jack Rhodess and then a pledge of allegiance with Kelly Kurpatre and then Rodney Gardner would like to make a special presentation. Uh these are folks that Dave Spencer invited to come. Would you like to introduce them, Dave?

Yeah. So, we have Jack Rhodess and Kelly Kurpatre and Rodney Gardner. They're from the American Legion Post 72 and they put in a lot of time um and help veterans as they pass on and they do a lot for the community. So, I appreciate their service and they're just awesome individuals. So, thank you for coming tonight.

Let's go ahead and start with our u our invocation with Jack Rhodess. Our dear heavenly father, we're thankful for all that we are given here as um thy servants who live in this valley, in this state, and in this wonderful land. We're grateful for a nation of laws. We're grateful for people like the ones who are in this city council, for leaders, our leaders who will take the time to help us make sure these laws are living in a good matter. We ask thee, Father, and at this time to watch over and protect us. May May the things that are proposed to be presented tonight be thoughtful. May the decisions made by those in charge be um good for the citizens in our area. We're grateful for freedom. We're grateful for this great Christmas season which is upon us. We pray that we'll be mindful for of this season and what it's all about and do our best to reach out and help others where we can. This we say in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Then Rodney Gardner would like to make a presentation.

Thank you, mayor and city council members. You know, this Christmas season, the inspiration to me is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And I am thankful that we have a mayor and city council members that share the same faith in Christ that I do. Now, a couple of you will be leaving or sitting in front of us here, and we wish you the best, Tom and David. David. And in recognition of our mayor, we came up with a little award here. It says, "In appreciation for your service to our community and support of families and veterans, or post 72, honors Mayor David Young."

Thank you, Rodney. Do we have one in this audience that has served in the United States military? Okay. If you have veterans that have served in your families, you know, people, Congress enacted a law in 2005 that says whether you're in uniform or not, you may salute the flag. You've earned that right. May I ask all of you to stand up, place your right hand on your heart, and follow me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic stands nation indivisible. You may be seated.

Okay. Item 7.1, we have a presentation about the ORM High Football State Champs. Well, we had a very exciting occurrence happening in our community. The Oram uh Tigers won the state 5A football championship. We wanted to invite him, get a picture with the council, hear about the season a little bit. And uh one of our very own uh Mr. Mike Hixon is here. He works uh in the police department, but he's also, I think, the offensive coordinator for the Tigers. So, come on up, guys, and uh let's hear about it, and we'll get a picture with the mayor of the council.

Okay, we're glad to be here. I know this isn't the whole football team if you can believe it. It's about one 11th of it. Um, but all these gentlemen had a huge part in in our success this year. But what we'd like to talk about is just our season real quick, what we learned from it, um, and what these guys will continue to learn throughout their lives. It's we're happy to win the state championship and we came together as a team right at the right time. um rolled through the playoffs and uh I think we outscored our opponent opponent what 155 to 43 throughout four games. Uh we just really really kind of came together and that's kind of what we want to talk about is um early on in the season I don't want to say we struggled but we did a little bit trying to find our identity as a team and to play as a team. Um, we had an immensely talented team full of stars, full of great players. A lot of them are right here. Um, but we didn't know how to play as a team and and and worked together to reach a common goal. And we pounded that and we pounded that and we pounded that until it finally came. So what these guys and what we take as a school and and uh pride in is that this goes far beyond football. They learned how to go through adversity. They built character while they did it. We had a lot of ups and downs. Um some personal tragedies throughout our team that we had to overcome and and and bind together as brothers to lift those those players up. few of the players lost loved ones right

in the middle of the season. And it was an amazing thing to see these guys pick those guys up and come right back to football when when they were hurting so bad. And it it was just awesome. And they learned finally how team is always going to beat talent and and work together and it showed. And so we are very very proud of ORM High School and we're very very proud to represent them, this community and the city of ORM. Um, and we hope you're proud of us. That's all I got. All right, everyone say state champs on three. One, two, three.

All right, thanks.

Thank you. And I just want to give an an extra shout out to our football team. That is a very big deal to win state. Uh, I played football in high school. We won state. I still remember that like 50 years ago or whenever it was. So, it's a big deal. Congratulations. That's awesome. Let's go to item 7.2. Uh, presentation from our strategy and innovations team. Carrie. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, while I'm getting ready and started, I would like to invite our strategy and innovation team to come up here with me. As you recall, in 2022, we did an efficiency study uh to see how we could be more efficient here as a city. And one of those efforts and recommendations that they gave to us is that we create a strategy and innovation team that centralized here in in the city administration side of things so that we could um even do more efforts. And with that we started tracking all of our grant efforts. We were going for grants previously but we weren't tracking um and centralizing it. So now we want to um show you an update of some of the uh grants that we have done since 2022. So this first one is a li the library department was awarded a grant for adaptive computer stations at the library paid for with the LSTA grant funded by the Utah State Library Division. These computer stations help address the higher level of difficulties that differently aabled residents deal with when using computers and software. These stations have hardware and software that meets the needs of various disabilities. Hey Pete, I don't think they can see it on their screens. Can you see it on your screen? You can. Okay, great. Uh, the ORM Oram Arts Council was awarded an

arts grant from the state of Utah to host concerts, workshops, and other artistic endeavors at this city. The library department was awarded a grant for the Biblio Theica Smart Shelf by the Perk Collection and it was paid for by the community library enhancement fund through the state of Utah. This smart shelf makes selfch checkckout easy and fast for residents. Two new charge point EV chargers will be installed within the next two weeks. One level two charger and one fast charger. These are the top-of-the-line EV chargers that will accommodate several charging types. The funding was provided by the EV reliability accessibility accelerator grant. By remodeling the library courtyard, removing much of the grass, and installing drip lines, the city qualified for a conservation rebate through the Utah Water Savers Program, an entity funded by the state of Utah. The LSTA grant funded by the Utah State Library Division paid for the Hillcrest book Lockers. These lockers expand library access to more residents. The Land and Water Conservation Fund grant is funded through the National Park Service. This funding allowed us to make park improvements at Windsor Community and Northridge parks. Look at these famous pickle ball players up there. Um, and Jen, I'm hoping that you're watching this. The Utah Outdoor Recreation Grant funded by the Utah Division of Natural Resources funded the phase 3 expansion of the Mount Temponogus Park Mountain biking trails. This project will be fully completed within the next few months. The energy efficiency and conservation block grant funded by the Department of Energy allowed us to buy and install solar panels on the roof of our new city hall.

The Law Enforcement Mental Health and Wellness Act grant funded by the Department of Justice has helped fund our mental health unit at the police department. This is one of my favorite ones. The Utah Jazz Community Grant funded a new sports court at Windsor Park. Members of the Utah Jazz organization, a jazz player, and the Jazz Bear all came out to the grand opening. The public works and recreation worked with staff and received the TTAB, the Tourism Tax Advisory Board funding to the tune of 2.9 million. This funding was used to install infield turf on the softball fields at Lakeside Sports Park. The Utah County Municipal Recreation Grant help us helped the ORM Fitness Center pool and deck flooring resurfacing. Along with replacing wear and tear, this new flooring material will help prevent slips, trips, and falls, especially among the elderly. The water reuse facility was awarded over 10 million through a combination of funds through Utah County and the state of Utah. This facility was built for the provision of water reuse and the removal of phosphorus from ORM water reclamation facility affluent. We have received additional funding for projects that are now or will soon be underway. This includes a new connector trail that will link the Bonavville Shoreline Trail and the Murdoch Canal Trail and a new new youth mountain biking program that will taught be taught at Mount Tempenogus Park and more. We will continue to prioritize and find grant opportunities for applying as many as possible. Since the strategy and innovation team was created, we have started tracking citywide grant efforts and we've applied for 78 grants totaling over 46.1 million. The city has been awarded 47 grants totaling 26.1 million and we have

uh about 5.8 million pending award. So with that, I would like to honor the strategy and innovation team headed by Jennica Jones, Heather Cox, Whitney Kingolver, and Ben Maxfield. Bradley Day. And Bradley Day. Oh, Bradley.

And Bradley Day. Go. One, two, three.

Thank you. And thank you for thank you for all of your efforts on those grants. That's a new department that we started four years ago and it's been incredibly effective and it's been a a part of the reason we've been able to not raise taxes because you guys are working hard to get grants instead of going to taxpayers. So, thank you. And I'm going to say thank you, Mayor Young. That was your idea. So, thanks for pushing that forward. Appreciate it. Thank you. Um, let's go to item 7.3. Uh, this is a report cultural Cultural Arts Advisory Commission. This is Pete Wolfley.

Hey, thanks for h having us here. We're here to report on the ORM Arts Council and uh with me is Leah Collins who serves as our chair. And so we're just going to go through a quick uh couple slides and uh talk about what we do on the arts council. So, here are some of our arts council members. Um, we you can read them there. Um, something I love about the this conglomeration of people is that they represent many different aspects of the arts. Um, Adam Robertson is the president of the Sierra. Um, Stephanie Goodman and David Blackington are artists themselves. Stephanie is an a visual artist. David is a musician. We love Len, our city council representative. Um my job is to keep the family city part of um in the arts council. I have eight children and I'm running them to music lessons all day long. Um and then Pete is our fearless leader that runs everything.

So one of the uh things that we've really been focusing on and Len mentioned this in our work session, but basically it's not the arts council's job to create art. we've got so many groups, so many talented people in ORM that that we don't see that as our role. Our job is to promote the arts.

So something that we do is each of us are assigned um a few of the care tax recipients and we're kind of the liaison. Um mine for example are the Shantanetses and Mountain Strings and the Haitian community of Utah. Um, and then as far as art promotion, we uh go to the events and through our own social media channels promote and then just be in contact with our groups about what advertising and resources they might need.

One of the fun things that we tried this year was the sweetheart singing. So, one of our members, Nathan, uh, Christian Jansen, he is a talented ac capella singer. And so, he organized this little event at Library Hall where we'd all get together and and sing. And you know, we didn't have a huge crowd, but it was a really, really fun event for those that attended.

So, the summer concert series, we helped decide which groups of the many talented in our um Utah Valley community and with an emphasis on ORM specifically would provide concerts at the farmers markets. And um it was really great. It was uh we took the arts council took turns um introducing them. And I know from my visits there that we say wide variety of performers and stylists. We tried to pick ones that represented um Oram and I think we accomplished that well.

Agreed. One of our favorite things over the last two years has been able to partner with World Folk Fest. So they bring in groups from all over the world and this year we had the privilege of hosting uh Mexico and Slovenia at the uh library hall. And so they put on a free performance thanks to the ORM care tax and that was a wonderfully attended event and a great night for ORM.

So taste of ORM hopefully everyone here attended if not come next year. It was delicious and so fun and uh so well attended that many of the restaurants ran out of food pretty quickly. So, um, but then I heard of people who then, um, visited their, uh, brickandmortar places because they had been to Taste Form and seen them there. So, it was a great business advertising opportunity. So, as you've all been well aware, the heart of downtown project is one of the biggest initiatives that we've got going on, and the arts council had a chance to spend two of our meetings uh going through this, getting the presentation from Gary and the consultants and weighing in on what the heart of downtown could be. A big component of this is the arts district and uh doing public art and doing um making things happen for artists in in town. And so this was a great opportunity for the arts council to really weigh in on some long-term planning

and we're all really excited about it. So we're excited about the music stroll happening probably in May. Um which is also a chance to highlight Hidden Jewel Neielson's Grove Park that will happen there. Um, once again, hopefully using a lot of care groups, but then others to just wander through the beautiful park, listening to music, eating good food, mingling with our fellow citizens.

And, uh, we're always looking for new partnerships, uh, those that receive the care tax, uh, new cultural groups that start up. Uh, we want to do everything we can to help them succeed and promote them to the to the public. And then finally, you know, our, as always, we'll just keep uh, making sure that the arts uh, have a place in our city. One of the things I love most about working here and living here is that this is a city that supports the arts both through the care tax, but also just as a council, you've made it a priority that this is going to be who we are and uh it really enriches our lives. So, thank you all. Amen.

All right. Any questions? I just want to say we do have a great group that is just an incredible arts council that does has a lot of talent and really cares about bringing the arts to our community and our youth. And wow, thank you. I just want to do a shout out to our ALS count arts council members and thank you to Pete for all the work he puts in. Thank you.

Thank you. Definitely a fantastic job by our arts council. We've got item 7.4. And Pete, I see you're not going anywhere. Uh it's our 2025 Gold Star family memorial fundraising report.

Yes. So, uh we're now in essentially year three of our Gold Star family monument fundraising. And so, we wanted to come before you and just give you a quick update how we did in 2025 and what we have uh going forward. So, uh, first up, one of the cool things that happened just a couple weeks ago was we got our final rendering for what our, uh, gold star monument will look like. So, across the country, they all share similarities. Like, uh, the one that says patriot, uh, is the same all over the country. So, that's the same image you're going to see wherever you see a gold star monument. But then we got to pick the other three. And so, under homeland, family, and sacrifice, those are uh, images that are near and dear to us. As you can see, we got Temponogus. We've got one of our ORM orchards to represent family. And then the sacrifice uh is actually a photo from uh Brent Taylor's funeral. That's his wife's hand holding the rose uh placing on his cast casket and where you know she and and he were the inspiration for this. We thought it was very fitting to include them uh on the monument. So this was this was huge progress um to be able to get this done. We also got the um the bevel gold star bevel. And basically what's written on here, you can't read it, but it explains each of the panels and it tells you the symbolism behind the pictures. So when people come to visit the monument, they'll be able to see why we chose the pictures that we chose. Uh this picture was just taken today. I took it this morning and that's where it stood. But in the time since I took the picture, more has happened. You'll see big tall pillars uh along those uh bases there. Um so things are moving right along and you the foundation is in, the footings are in. So we're we're getting closer. Uh this year we did some conventional things and some unconventional things to help raise money. Uh I want to give a shout out to all the restaurants that partnered with us today. We probably had close to 12 restaurants step up and do these spirit nights where basically they would give anywhere between 10 and 25% of the proceeds from a given night uh to the to the cause. Uh Chubbies kind of

led the way. They were our first ones who donated $1,000 to us. And so all the restaurants, both locally owned and chains, uh, really stepped up. Uh, one of the things we tried at Sarah Pool was to do unlimited snow cones. So if you paid for the cup, the Gold Star cup, you could have unlimited snow cones throughout the year. Uh, the coloring book, we've been selling uh, both online and in person, and every penny of those proceeds goes to the Gold Star. Currently over in Library Hall, we have our wreath auction. Uh, there's nine wreaths that were made by members of the community, and they're up for auction, and that's raising money right now. Well, we set up a a pop-up merch tent in uh at Ormfest in that middle picture there. And the shirts, the Orm is very cool shirts. We sold like $1,200 worth of those shirts. And so, people are loving those shirts and it all went to a good cause. And then I'm especially proud of our employees. They raised big money this year uh during our employee giving campaign, which is in September. You have options of donating to different charities and the employees donated almost $30,000 uh to the cause. So, thank you city employees. Uh here's our results um over the last three years. So in 2023, we just barely gotten started. Raised roughly $5,000, most of it from the American Legion. They're here tonight. Thank you guys. Uh 2024 was a huge year, raised nearly $50,000 and we just crossed over $40,000 for this year for a grand total of $94,000. So, you know, we we are welcoming more donations, of course, uh but we're happy with where we're at. We're just going to keep going. We have some ideas for this final stretch. We're hoping that uh this is all wrapped up by the spring and we could dedicate this thing and get it open. So, we have maybe 6 monthsish left to uh to raise money. But, we've got ideas and uh it's been an amazing project to work on. I think it's really brought people together. It's helped us uh appreciate the sacrifice. You know, you hear a lot about the people that that that pass away in the military, but what about the families? You know, they they've also sacrificed. And so I'm so proud of ORM for for doing this and

taking this on and making it the first one in Utah County. Thank you, Pete. Thank you. Go ahead.

I just wanted to just kind of perspective here if we can see how small things can make great things happen. At one of our ORM business alliance lunchins, we talked about how we have over 3,000 businesses in ORM. If each one of those businesses, new businesses in ORM, that's right, new businesses. If each one of those businesses gave a $100, only $100, right? We would be at our mark. We would be able to get this completed immediately. So, put that in perspective and and um I think if we can all um pitch in and help out with this that every little bit helps and makes it happen and gives honor to these wonderful families. I ju I just want to say a few things for me. This gold star memorial is really special. When we started down this path four years ago, we had a vision that three things would represent Oram and that was God, family, and country. As you can see in our C council chambers, we've got in God we trust on our council seal over here. That wasn't there four years ago. We're only the second city in or in Utah to have in God we trust on our city seal and on some of our buildings. There's one other city and it's a small one and I can't remember it's either Roosevelt or Duchaine, but we're the second and we're the first large city in in Utah to do this. And then Family City USA, that's what we've institutionalized. That's what we've we've changed and we've made that the benchmark for which everything is measured. And then finally, this gold star memorial. This is a big deal. This is the first one in Utah County. And these three things bring our city together and make us who we are and represent our core values. And so I really appreciate uh early on when Brent came out and he said he was

going to donate $10,000 to this monument because it was that important to him. And I I I spoke with my wife Kathy and we'd like to also donate $10,000 towards this. And I tell you this with Bren and myself just to inspire you to step up and do whatever you can to help make this happen because this will be the heart of ORM. So, and and as a trivia, uh if you do it before the end of the year and you donate it through our city foundation, it's taxdeductible on top of that. So, that's just a bonus. But I want to encourage everyone out there to step up and and do what they can to help us get to this this $300,000 number. So, thank you. Thank you, Pete. Next up, we've got item 7.5, and this is a farewell. All right, I promise this is the last time you have to hear from me tonight. So, um, we've really appreciated serving with with each of you and we wanted to do something to kind of bring all those feelings together. You know, we've accomplished a lot and, uh, so we put it into this video. We felt like this might be the best format to express uh, how we feel about the time that we've had together. So, let me just make sure the sound's going to work. members Tom McDonald and Dave Spencer. We just wanted to take the opportunity to celebrate some of the wonderful things we've done together over the last several years and express our gratitude and appreciation for you. You've been wonderful to work with, easy to work with, and we've gotten a ton of really

cool things done together. With that said, let's roll the film on the things we've accomplished together. Thank you very much for everything they have done over the last four years for the fire department. We're going to miss you and we wish you the best in your future endeavors.

From your police chief and all the members of ORM Police Department, mayor and outgoing city council members, thank you for your dedication and support to our police department. I just want to say thank you for your service over the past several years. I have really appreciated the opportunity to work with you and to get to know you better. I appreciate all the great things that you've done for the city of ORM. Wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Thank you for your service and for always helping the finance department be its best. Thank you so much for your service to our community and for the help that you've given our employees. You have helped us build a better ORM. Thank you from the bottom of my heart from public works over the last many years of your support for the public works advisory commission for all of our master planning efforts, all of our rate studies that we've done, impact fee studies and so forth. You've been very instrumental in where we are today. So, thank you for public works and we wish you all the best. On behalf of community development, we're grateful to you for your service and your support in our activities, especially dealing with the heart of downtown. Congratulations on your retirement and good luck.

Thank you for your service. It's been a pleasure to work with you the last number of years. I'm grateful for your support for me, for my team, for the department I used to lead, for all the city projects we've done from the water tank to Hillrest Park to city hall. We couldn't have done it without your support and the resources you've provided for us. I'm going to miss working with each of you and I hope to see you around.

Thank you for everything you've done for us and here as employees and also for the city. We appreciate your many years of service and wish you all the best going forward.

Aren't these images and videos fun? I know they've been super motivational and inspiring to me, to your exec staff, to the city staff in general. We want you to know that this isn't the end. It's just a new beginning. We want you to continue with us. We want to hear your opinions and feedback because we will continue to build a better ORUM and do new and wonderful things moving forward. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for putting that together. That means a lot. Um, and we'll talk about this more, but it's been an incredible four years. and uh all these people sitting over here, they've done an incredible job as a executive staff helping to accomplish and making the all these all these amazing things happen in our city and I think our city is in a phenomenal spot and I'm excited for the future. But so thank you. Okay, we've got some personal appearances. Item number eight and we'll start out with Tony Crushmer. This is a big microphone. It like there's proof. Uh,

mayor, city council members, uh, you may notice I'm wearing the same shirt that I custom made exactly 20 months ago on April 9th when I discussed the importance of the Alpine School District and how important it is to split. I have lived in Orm for 30 years, more than 30 years, my wife for more than 50. And I just want to thank you, mayor, and the rest of you for helping accomplish something that needed to happen for the last 20 years. When we started this endeavor, when you voted to allow us as ORM residents to have a voice on whether or not we wanted to become our own school district with ORM's Prop 2, it opened the door for us to have more local control. Back then, there were seven Alpine School District board members, five of which did not live in ORM, yet controlled the fate of ORM schools. They chose to vote and to close a number of our schools. You helped make it possible so that we have local control. We went from only two members of a school district. Now we have four members of our new school district which I hope they name. Four that live in Oram. And if you

include the students that attend junior high and high school here, the one from Vineyard, look at the difference. We went from just two members representing us to four or five. Thank you. Local governance is best. I was privileged to help in that endeavor. And though we didn't get an ORM school district, we got the next best thing, a four city school district instead of a 14 city school districts. Thank you.

Thank you. Next, Mike Christensen. Back up.

Sorry. Mike A. Christensen. Hi, council and mayor. I know I don't have to stay for this whole thing, but sometimes it's fun. I came by Oh, there we go. I came by to say hi for my first city council meeting here in this new building and the last one of the year and the last one for some of you probably if you're in your current positions unless you pull a Trumpy and somehow make it back in after being out for a season. Um I thank all of you for your service particularly a last official thanks to those of you departing members plus sadly um magic mayor Dave. Thanks Dave Spencer and Tom. Oh shoot, he's not here. For all the work, okay, for all the work you've done with this other Dave. This very building stands as a testament of not just some of your work, but uh that of the remaining members and but I guess some of the previous administration too. And despite some opinions, I liked Rich Brunts also. kind of sad that some of you did all this work and then hardly got to use it, but I love that because it's here now and you and you had to move the Christmas program, you've made that bigger and better than ever. My friend Scott Payne and I really had a blast at this time and then right after that we went to BYU's first program like it for their 150th birthday. I know you guys have done much other work and as I've watched you go through some of that voting, I see that it must not be as easy as it might look to some people. As for the new council members coming, I'm excited to see them bring their strengths to the desk. But honestly, I believe we'd be in good hands whether they had won or not.

I'll miss our our departing members in some ways, specifically Tom um McDonald because now I lack more opportunity to come here to these meetings and joke about his association with that fast food restaurant right across the street. Uh and as for you, Magic Mayor Dave Young, it's been a treat for us to have you have a magician who doubles as our mayor. Um, you've pulled off some good tricks for our city and I'm sorry for your loss. Um, I was just getting used to the idea that you weren't quite the new mayor anymore. Uh, of the it might be said, we hardly knew ye. Um, I'm going to miss you as our mayor. And let's just hope that the new Karen of a mayor will do well to fill your big shoes. And I think she will. You'll always be young, but she'll always be a Karen. And you can't help either one of that, can you? Just kidding. Um, and with that, I wish all you and your family members a very happy, safe, and fun Christmas and New Year's. And best wishes in your new endeavors. Until the view, see some of you next year. I've been Mike Christensen, and I yield the remainder of my time.

Let's give them them a big hand. Thank you. Uh, Greg Carlile.

Sorry. Get this out of here. Out of your way there. Okay. Um, my name is Greg Carwall. I'm reading this because I just wanted to get it so it's right and not ramble. I'm a homeowner since 1979 and I have had a very good experience getting to know all of you current ORM city council members over the years. I thank you for running and the time commitment you make and those of you like Tom McDonald, Dave Spencer, and the mayor who are making their final s city council meeting here tonight after spending years serving ORM. I specifically wanted to thank the mayor and David Spencer who have shown up to so many ORM city meetings, advanced socials, citizen gatherings, and have given your all to us, but most importantly made ORM a better place to live. I've been involved and have given volunteering with numerous city councils for over 40 years going back to the time of Mayors Washburn and Joyce Johnson and I can honestly say that in my opinion, Mayor Young, you're the best mayor ever. And David for sure and David Spencer cares and shows up and does the behind the scenes work and gets things done as well or better as any city council member I've worked with. And that's a lot. And I appreciate their wives Kathy Young and Julie Spencer who are so supportive. I imagine I've been to at least 40 50 meetings or gatherings over the years with all of you. And both Julie and Kathy were always there actively participating with their husbands. And that's one of the reasons why you're successful through your influence. ORM city has so many fun events now. We just saw it on video from the Christmas lights and city center to recent taste of ORM. Thank you, Lene and Dave and the mayor. Oram, Utah and frankly America needs

city council members, more of them like both of you. Let me take a request first. Now just in closing of all those who are in office and those who are just elected, please let's get rid of the political baggage maybe and divisiveness. How about if each one of you just serves or us as citizens and eliminate your being influenced by those ORM citizens and non-citizens organizations who are almost obsessed with ORM city school district vote and feasibility study in Alpine School District and our new school district. I know a whole bunch of them and they're my friends and they have influenced ORUM politics I think for too long. I love public schools and I volunteered for 15 years with the Utah school board of me members and also the state office of education. So I like him but you're elected as ORM city council members. You weren't elected as a Democrat, Republican if you like Trump or not or liberal conservative. You're not school board members. Alpine district will split. The ORM city council had the foresight to lead out to determine what would be best for ORM as an inevitable split. Thank you. Other cities like Lehi, Saratoga Spring, Eagle Mountain, they made it happen. It's done now, and it's up to the the school boards. So, let's let's focus on safety, crime, high density, and parking and traffic, which isn't getting worse. And we hope that you'll be a city council member and do your homework. Again, thank you very much, Dave. And bye. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh Karen Adamson.

Hi. So, I'm not going to be as eloquent as those guys are, but I just wanted to take this opportunity to um thank you guys for serving on the city council. um being here for the last several years and watching these meetings, I have really learned um how much of an effort it is for you to serve on this council, um how much of a personal sacrifice it is um for what you do. And I just wanted to thank you for that. Um and Dave Young and Dave Spencer, as you guys are both finishing up, I really wanted to tell you personally that I have benefited from watching you serve on this council. Um, I have benefited from watching you serve with integrity and respect and professionalism, but also you always have an energy to protect those that you could see needed protection. And there are lots of those people in our in our community. And I'm grateful for your example. Um, it's also been evident to me that you have spent extra time in this responsibility um to always be very informed about the topics that have come before you. Um, and I am truly grateful for the comments that you share each night that there's been a major vote. Um, you have been very clear with your um, information on why you voted the way you did and that to me is very transparent, very clear and it also tells us who you are and I really appreciate that. Um, I truly hope that those who follow in your footsteps will choose to also follow your example. And I just want to thank you again for your personal sacrifices that you've given to our city. Thank you,

Carol Walker. Well, I could just say ditto, but thank you to Dave and Mayor and to Tom McDonald's to all of you for your service. It's a no not truly a a labor of love because I know it's a lot of frustration but I have appreciated working with you especially the ones of you that are going out for your dedication and for your service to ORM. I especially want to thank you for the beautiful display of lights we have. I think I came and thanked you last year but they are so beautiful and the want to tell you the drone presentation was phenomenal. That was amazing. Thank you so much for all you do to make us have a better city.

Thank you. Ken Millet, mayor and city council. My name is Ken Millet. I've been a resident of ORM for 30 years. I want to take this opportunity to pay tribute to two of our elected official officials who will be completing their public service this month, Mayor Dave Young and Council Member David Spencer. I was fortunate enough to meet Mayor candidate Dave Young four years ago on the campaign trail. Since then, I've spent considerable time with Mayor Young and I've gotten to know him on a more personal level. I've seen him in many different situations and I found him to be a man of unquestionable character. Mayor Young is both an excellent leader and an excellent representative of the city of ORM. Because of Mayor Young's vision, v visionary leadership over the past four years, ORM has accomplished some amazing things and is enjoying amazing success as a city. Isn't possible to list all the accomplishments, but let me just list a few. Mayor Young challenged each of the Oram city department heads to make their departments the best, but he didn't just leave them to do the work alone. He worked with them. Each of the department heads accepted his challenge and each was able to make significant improvements in their departments. Because of Mayor Young's leadership, ORM city is a much better place today than it was four years ago. And according to an employee survey, ORM city employees are much more satisfied with and engaged in their jobs than they ever have been. Another accomplishment is this beautiful building that we're meeting in here today. While years of planning and preparation occurred prior to pre to Mayor Young taking office, it took his leadership to get the project approved, launched, and completed. We now enjoy this new city hall building with no new debt and no new taxes. I would also add my own personal observation. In every situation I have observed Mayor Young, he has been genuinely concerned with the welfare of the city of Oram and of its residents. I believe that is why he was able to

accomplish so much good for our city and I thank him for that. I'm equally impressed wi with and grateful for Councilman David Spencer. I also met David on the campaign trail four years ago. David Spencer is a hard worker and and an excellent representative of Orm City. I've seen David at countless city events. I've seen him at ribbon cutings, work meetings, service projects, concerts, parades, going doortodoor and talking with ORM residents. I've even seen him serving Thanksgiving dinner at the ORM senior friendship center. David truly enjoys being, excuse me, with and serving the citizens of ORM, but he has taken that one step further. There have been many ORM citizens who have contacted David Spencer directly with an issue or problem they are facing, and he has all always been there and been able to help them get their problem resolved. He truly gets things done for the citizens of ORM. And I will always admire David Spencer's willingness to help and represent each city. I have more to say, but I will just finish by saying it's disappointing to me that you both won't be able to continue serving the city of ORM. It's truly ORM's loss. I believe ORM is a better place because of both of you. I want to thank you both for your leadership and your service. for your contributions to the city and I wish you the best in your future endeavors and I'm honored to call you both my friends. Thank you.

Thank you, Ken. Next up, we have David Busith. Mayor Young, city council, staff, Bren, manager. I want to express my gratitude uh on behalf of myself and my wife, especially my name is David Busith. I been living in ORM for 30 years. um but didn't really get interested or involved in any way in the city until the Southwest ORM neighborhood association which Marie Lo and I founded together with uh Greg Carlile and several other people started worrying about the impact of large student body from UVU on ORM's housing situation and I am grateful that your city council under your leadership ship has made great strides and with great backbone helping us perhaps level off in our uh family housing situation so that we can keep ORM as a familyfriendly city. Uh Dave Spencer, you've just been a magnificent support and help. I also want to thank Lene Millet, Tom McDonald as he's leaving, but Len for uh helping to found uh helping bring my hometown, I mean, into Oram with two neighborhoods now. My wife and I got to serve in the first one last year and it was a wonderful experience, great blessing, great part of in God we trust and Family City USA. Thank you for all you've done.

Thank you. Next, we've got Karen Turner. ORM stands stronger, safer, and more united because of Mayor David Young's leadership. And thank you, David Spencer, for your years of amazing service. Also, from day one, Mayor Young set out with a clear mission. Protect families, preserve community values, and keep ORM the best place in Utah to raise a family. Under his direction, ORM embraced its identity as Family City USA, placing the new branding at its city gates, parks, buildings, and in city decision-making. And he also led Orum to adopt In God We Trust on its seal and council chambers. And he honored military families by establishing Utah County's first Gold Star family monument at Freedom Plaza. Mayor Young protected ORM's long-term future through the ORM Land Preservation Act, permanently safeguarding parks, schools, and public lands from development. He also passed the city identity ordinance, ensuring that public property reflects community values and not political agendas. He restored strong, accountable government by reclaiming the city council's legislative authority and hiring a responsive new city manager and leadership team. Under his watch, the city launched the ORM transparency portal and the ORM contact app, giving residents unprecedented access to information and direct tools to engage with city services. Mayor Young championed responsible growth, overhauling the state street and transportation master plans, eliminating 10,000 highdensity units, and refocusing development on families, businesses, and safe connected neighborhoods. He

modernized city operations by creating Utah's first department of strategy and innovation, conducting ORM's most comprehensive operations review, improving employee morale and encouraging excellence across departments on infrastructure and finances. Mayor Young delivered one of his signature achievements, a 35 million debtfree city hall built with no tax increases. Yay. ORM also earned a AAA bond rating, achieved a cost-saving dispatch merger with Provo, and secured tens of millions in grant funding, all without raising taxes. He strengthened ORM's water security with a 10 milliongal tank, a 10,000 ft well and a 20 million water reuse reuse project that will save millions and reduce consumption. He also oversaw award-winning parks like Hillrest and secured major upgrades for Lake View Park. Culturally, Mayor Young transferred in the transformed the ORM library, strengthened the city's partnership with Sarah, supported nationally recognized school resource officers, and revitalized community outreach, including a modernized communications program in a record setting orfest. For his leadership, Mayor Young was named Utah's best of state mayor in both 2024 and 2025. His term concludes, "Mayor Young leaves behind a legacy of faith, family, fiscal responsibility, and a stronger, more stable ORM built for generations to come. I challenge the new city council to keep it that way. And I challenge those council members not in attendance to take their responsibilities more seriously. Please show up and attend all city council meetings. Thank you." Lisa,

I do agree. I am disappointed that all of city council is not here tonight. I know December is busy, but I feel like this is a important thing. Tonight, I'd want to express my deep gratitude to Mayor Young and Council Member David Spencer for the remarkable support they have shown our fire department. From the beginning of his service, he made it a priority to strengthen the department's culture. One of the first things he did was he hired our fire chief, Chief Sanderson, who was amazing. He focused on professionalism, training, and creating an environment where highly skilled men and women can thrive. Because of that commitment, we've seen a real transformation. Today, when applications open for new hires, we receive significantly higher numbers compared to the teens we once saw. That shift shows the trust, respect, and strong foundation he has built. In addition, I want to thank him for his strong support of Chief Sanderson and for embracing the forwardinking ideas that have lifted the department to a whole new level. His leadership has helped make the job easier, if we can ever call this job easy. for the men and women who serve. As a result, they're able to perform with a level of excellence that truly stands among cities in our state. As a mother of a family of sons who serve in surrounding departments, I am deeply grateful for the relentless work of our first responders and for the leaders who support them. And Mayor Young has relentlessly, and I mean relentlessly, supported them. As we know, the safety in the other cities, surrounding cities affects our city and our city affects them. And so, as a mother of all of these sons that serve in this capacity, I am so grateful for that. I especially want to thank Council Member David Spencer for his remarkable support of our department and the families of those who serve. His engaging support, his genuine

care, and his unwavering dedication make him someone we can always count on. It is well known which cities truly care for their departments and word travels quickly quickly within the brotherhood of first responders. Council member David's efforts are recognized all around. To our incoming mayor and council members, I want to express hope and confidence as you step into your new roles. We look forward to your continued dedication to our f first responders and we expect that and their families. The strength of our fire department and any public sa safety team depends not just on funding and policy, but on leaders who stay aware, involved, and genuinely invest in the well-being of the men and women who serve and their families. Your out your ongoing support, your willingness to listen, and your commitment to their well-being and success will be key to building on the progress we've made and keeping our city strong and safe and thriving. And thank you so much. Thank you. Miriam Murphy.

My name's Miriam Murphy and I am here because Phil Murphy is in Phoenix and he really wanted to be here tonight. He really wanted to express his gratitude to uh the mayor and to David Spencer. Um and I'm the worst speaker of all. So, you're just going to have to deal with it. Um I have lived here in Oram for 56 years, which is weird cuz I'm only 40 and I don't know how that happened. But anyway, um Phil took Phil a minute to he had to marry me and then he moved here to Oram and uh became a police officer here in Oram and worked for 30 years. Um things were kind of struggling there for a minute and we um a lot of officers were approaching Phil and so we came in and it was very evident right away who was listening. And I'll tell you right now, I've never met a mayor who listened and listened intently to our concerns and took them seriously. And it was it was just unbelievable to us the support that we got and David Spencer, too. Um, I told BJ when I came in, I said, "BJ, Phil worked with both Mark and BJ and loved, oh, we love them so much." And I remember I told BJ when Phil retired, BJ was sad about it. And Phil reminded me he said you know BJ you're going to go places and you look where you are and we are so you guys could not have a better leader and Mark too. We love these men dearly with all of our

hearts. I look around this room. I look at these police officers in here. They are the heart and soul of a city. My husband was shot in the line of duty and survived miraculously. And through it all, he said, "I loved that job. I loved the citizens of Warm with all of my heart, and I would do this job all over again." And I hope and pray that we don't have to come back. Um, you guys need to pay attention because under Mayor Young's leadership, like they brought up before, I've never heard of those statistics of employees being as happy and content. We run into people all the time. They love working for ORM. And that lays directly here with you. And I just want to um thank you from the bottom of our hearts. You've been the best mayor we've ever had and I'm very grateful for you and your service.

Thank you,

Heather Brian. Thank you all for being here. those of you who are I know it's a busy time and thank you so much to everybody here. I know a lot of times we only see these but I also want to recognize all of you here on the side that um they can't do what they do without what you guys do. And so I applaud each of you and thank you. I just want to share from the Roosevelt, the man in the arena or woman. It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out the strong man, how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who hes. Who comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming. But who does actually strive to do the deeds? Who knows great enthusiasm, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause. Who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly. so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Thank you seems inadequate to express

the depth of appreciation for your service. Dave, Dave, Tom, few will ever understand the toll on your family and friends. As critics, naysayers, and ignorant fament, a level of animus I never would have believed if I hadn't witnessed it personally. to our mayor. Thanks to your family. I've known your kids for 25 years. I taught them swimming lessons. I never knew you until you ran for mayor. And it was only because I knew who your kids were that I knew you must be a good guy. So, you earned my vote. Thanks to your family for sacrificing time, their time with you, shedding tears for you, and serving alongside of you as you served the residents of war. I echo what Greg said about Julie and Kathy. Thank you all. I restate my public request that our city clock be named Charlie. I'm putting it out there yet again. I know that two of the three council members present tonight and our mayor support this action. I'm stunned that such a simple action is not supported by all of our elected officials to honor a young husband,

father, advocate for free speech, and courageous disciple of Christ who was assassinated in our city and that four of our leaders refused to collaborate on a way to commemorate the service and sacrifice Charlie Kirk gave to our country as he was a guest in our city. I implore you to put aside your divisive ideas and remember that charity suffereth long and is kind. Charity envieth not. Charity vaunteth not itself is not puffed up. I appreciate the example that Dave Young, Dave Spencer, and others have given to this city of charity, and I thank them for stepping into the arena. Thank you. And last on the list, we've got my wife, Kathy Young. I have to read um from one of our citizens who just recently lost her husband, Kathy Minster, and she sent me her message. Mayor Dave Young, I wish I was here in person, but circumstances beyond my control prevent prevented me from doing this. For over 37 years, I have been the office manager of the dental practice of Reed and Taylor Robinson. Others in the office have also remained employees for more than 20 years. Surveys say that dental offices have one of the highest percentage of turnover in employees. But Robinson Dental retains excellent employees for years due to these key reasons. Our

dentists do outstanding dental work and stand by it. They only do what is needed. They are ethical, have great integrity and honesty, and make our group feel like a family because of the appreciation and kindness afforded to each of us. We have patients who have moved far away, have tried other dental practices, and then call months ahead to make their dental appointments. when they come to ORM for vacation because they cannot find dentists as good as ours. Because of the long duration that I have worked there, I'm aware of dental practices who have high turnover employees who do unethical work, overt treat, exorbitant prices, and just generally shoddy work. It matters how long you have been able to observe things over and over again. I've lived in Orama my whole adult life. when my husband and I moved here expecting our first child 53 years ago and counting Woodbury was building their very first store when we moved to ORM. Through those years, I have watched our city government closely. I've seen wonderful mayors. I've seen wonderful city councils. I have also seen unethical mayors and councils. I've seen mayors and councilmen who choose to line their own pockets from others who want to have our land for themselves here in Orm, Utah. Mayor Young, it is with greatest appreciation and gratitude that these last four years you have been the best mayor I have ever seen. Apparently I'm not the only one because other cities have called and asked for your ideas. I know know this for a fact. It has never been about you or money or status. You've been the leader of the freemen and I have absolutely loved being a citizen in Warm City under your watch care. My heart is broken that the Kingmen have treated you as a criminal, as a robber and less than honest. Those of us who know the truth marvel as you have taken every lie and every slander with such grace and you suffereth it. You truly are the finest mayor who ever served in the state of Utah. May the finest, most choice blessings be upon you, Kathy and your family. I'm shaking.

With much love and admiration, Kathy Minster, thank you, Mary Young. All right. The title of what I'm going to say is called Service Over Politics. The Dave Young I Know. When I think of my husband, Dave, I don't see a politician. I see the man I've loved for 47 years. A man of quiet strength, deep faith, and a lifetime of service. Long before he was mayor, he was already lifting others and solving problems and helping people simply because it was right. Serving as mayor brought challenges, some very public and very difficult. But through it all, Dave held to one guiding belief. You don't fight darkness with darkness. You fight it with light. That light guided every decision he made, and it carried our family through the hardest days. Tonight, I want to focus on something simple and sincere. Gratitude. We are deeply grateful for the thousands of residents who supported Dave, supported the good work being done and believed in the positive changes taking place in ORM. Every kind word, every prayer, every moment of encouragement meant more than you will ever know. Thank you to those who volunteered, who showed up, who gave their time, their energy, and their hearts. Our community grew stronger because of you. Record participation in city meetings, events, and elections didn't happen by accident. It happened because you cared. I'm shaking, guys. Your support helped make possible the trans transformation ORM experience these past four years. From community events that grew two, five, even 10 times bigger to major improvements in parks, public safety, infrastructure, and water security. These weren't political projects. They were investments in the people. Thank you to those who believed in fiscal

stewardship. Because of your support, ORM kept no new taxes, the lowest fees in the county, and the strongest financial foundation in the state. Together, we even built a new city hall without taking on debt. That kind of leadership has become a model for other cities and candidates throughout the county. They are now campaigning on the idea of doing for their cities what they've helped do to ORM for ORM. To our city employees, thank you for embracing a culture of service, excellence, and kindness. ORM being named one of the best places to work in Utah this year as a reflection of your dedication and your belief in the mission of this city. And thank you to every resident who wanted a more open, more responsive government. Your VO voices inspired the transparency portal and the contact portal, tools that will continue to ensure that government belongs to the people. The last election showed how engaged our community has become. Nearly 19,000 people voted with only a 500 vote difference. No clear mandate, but a clear message. The people of ORM care deeply, and their voices matter. Most of all, thank you for standing with my husband Dave. Not only in successes, but in the difficult moments, too. Your faith, your guidance, your kindness, and your willingness to serve alongside him made all the difference. Dave leaves office with a heart full of gratitude. Grateful for what you accomplished together, grateful for the friendships formed, and grateful for the privilege of serving a city he loves. His belief in the ORM is stronger today than ever. And as we look to the future, my prayer is simple. May we choose unity over division, healing over hurt and light over darkness. May we remember that we are one community, one community and one family and one ORM. And may God continue

to bless this beautiful city and all who call it home. I love my city. Or thank you, Mayor Young. Well, thank you. I wasn't really expecting all of that. Um, yeah, that wasn't on my radar. I really appreciate all of your kind words and I appreciate your trust and your support and your respect and for all the volunteers. I appreciate your help in just making ORM the best place it can be. Uh this has been an amazing ride with an amazing executive staff. I could go off and tell you each of the amazing things that each one of this these executive staff members do for your city. I can tell you about a phenomenal city manager who's truly a servant leader and does a phenomenal job guiding these folks. But most of all, I I I could go on, but I won't because you guys have said it all. But I appreciate your love and your support and your friendship and all that you do for ORM. So, thank you.

Now, believe it or not, we've still got a meeting. Um, we've got some records here. I swear this is a record on our consent items. So, my lucky number is 13. Guess how many things we've got on our consent agenda. Usually, we have four or five, maybe six. We've got 13. But the good news is is consent items go really quick. So, mayor, yes.

Uh, I got a text from Council Member Jen Gale. as you begin the uh to go through the rest of the agenda and and make votes, just be aware that I believe that uh council members Jen Gale, Jeff Lamson, and Tom McDonald are uh are online. Okay. So, we'll need to listen for their their votes or their comments. Yes.

Okay. Thank you, Gran. Okay. Um, as far as consent items, we've got item 9.1, approval of the meeting minutes for November 18th, 2025. We've got an appointment to Mayor Prom of Chris Kilpac. We've got item N 9.3, an appointment to the Transportation Advisory Commission by with Carol Walker. Excuse me. We've got an item 9.4, 4, a reappoint to the Care Advisory Commission with Mary Shoemaker. We've got item 9.5, an appointment to the Recreation Advisory Commission, Gil Balor. Item 9.6, a resolution approving and authorizing the mayor to execute an interlocal agreement with Utah County for funding of improvements on Center Street between I-15 and Geneva Road. Item 9.7, a resolution to adopt a wildline a wildland urban interface area map. Item 9.8, an ordinance, a building code update adding 2006 wildland interface code. Item 9.9, a resolution adopting the ORM front runner station area plan. Item 9.10, 10, a resolution finding conditions of impracticability for Lake View station area plan. Item 9.11, a resolution finding conditions of impracticability for a Main Street station area plan. Item 9.12, a resolution finding conditions of impracticability for, and most of you don't know that's a real word, but welcome to the state. finding conditions of impracticability for a university place station area plan. Item 9.13, an ordinance amending section

2-7-6 of the ORMC code to add new subsection T pertaining to exceptions to bidding requirements. And so those are all of the items on the on the uh consent items. All these items we've exted extensively in our work meetings and uh and other meetings. So we we've discussed them all. Now we just need to block them all together and vote on them as a group. So would somebody like to make a motion? The mayor, I'll make make a motion that uh we approve the consent items. I second them. Okay. I I I I I I

Okay, we got everybody. Who was the first eye? Tom and Jen both did. I don't know if Jeff did. Is Jeff online? We need to wait for his vote then, right? Is Jeff there? It shows he's on but muted. Mayor, somebody text him and tell him to unmute. I Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. The consent items pass. Next up, we'll move to item 10, scheduled items. Item 10.1, a resolution for fiscal year 2025, independent financial audit. And this will be our presenter will be Brandon Nelson, our city accountant. our fin our finance director and uh John Hutterle, a partner with Larsson Company. Is John here?

Okay, you can come on up. Thank you, mayor. So, uh, before we I turn the time over to, uh, this is John Hatterly from the CPA firm of Larsson Company. Before I turn the time over to him to discuss the the independent audit that uh they performed, I just wanted to touch on just a few items in relation to our uh annual financial statements. Um just just to kind of give you an idea of some things where uh people always ask, you know, what what can I learn or uh find out about the financial statements without having to read through everything and look at all the numbers. And I just wanted to give a few a few uh key areas where um it doesn't tell you a story. You still need the information, but it's a good place to look to start. Um and so one of those first places that um is on this particular statement, which is a statement of revenue, expenditures, and changes in fund balance. Um everybody else in the world might consider this called an income statement, but uh in government accounting, we refer to it slightly differently. on that you'll notice that first column uh we have the general fund and the third column is the capital projects fund and I've highlighted two particular numbers um which is the change in fund balance and which uh cases both of these are happen um one is positive one is negative now that's not negatives aren't necessarily always a bad thing um so we'll we'll touch on that general fund item um sometimes that number is a positive which it is this year um primarily this year. That number

is uh a positive number because um we had an increase in sales taxes, uh an increase in our ambulance revenues and an increase in our BNC road funds that we receive. In other years, last year for instance, um we had received ARPA grant money. Well, as we spent that money, we had already received it. And as we spent that money, that actually made that number a negative. So that's why I make the point of that's just a good place to start with your question. How come particularly maybe last year, how come it was a negative number, right? Um this year it's a positive number. That's great. What why is it a positive number? And what makes up that positive number? You'll notice then the rather large negative number. Uh we've touched on uh building city this city hall. Um guess where those funds came from? That particular project fund. And so therefore obviously when we we had saved that money, it was sitting in that fund. And as we spend that money, you that number will go down and and you can see that um right there. Case in point. Um another place to look is we always um ask questions about um our utility funds and you know how are they doing and and what do they look like? Um so you can see we have the water fund uh water reclamation fund which is sewer and our storm water funds and those are the three ma major funds of our utilities. And again I just highlighted um that bottom line change in net position which is again the kind of the income for the year. You'll notice the water fund had a relatively large year comparative if you look at the prior year of 5.8 million and this year 11.7 million. Well why is right your question might be when you looked at that if you go look at that and you say hm that's interesting why did it change so much from the prior year and I've highlighted a number up above. Um we've uh earlier you heard um Carrie Rug discuss the donations and grants that we received. Um this is one of those grants that we received from the accountant for $7 million

that went into account and that's why you see such a huge increase. The city paid for that those costs upfront in prior years that would have caused a a ne a a negative if you will. Um but obviously then as we're reimbursed and receive that grant money causes it to go back up. Um um we've recently had changes to sewer rates. Um and you can see the uh gradual increase in relation to um the effect of those uh sewer rates there with the the 9.1 million compared to the prior year 7.2 million. And and the the storm water storm water fund has a similar thing in relation to uh increasing rates. And and you you might ask then what do we use those funds for? And obviously the main thing we do with those excess funds is for capital projects to keep our those all of those systems in uh good operating condition. Another item that always tends to um come up is uh property taxes. And I'm not going to go into any too much in depth, but I just want to make you aware that this document exists within our annual financial report. Um, and these are the rates um of that make up everybody in ORM's property tax rate and where those rates come from and who is the one assessing those rates. This is where you can go and you can see a 10-year history in relation to those those mill rates. Um, just to give an idea of, you know, where those are assessed from. And at the bottom of that, you can then also see that um shown in a a percentage graphical um format. So, a a very quick place when when questions arise about property taxes, you can go to this page and and find that document. And then, um another one that um always, you know, we touch on a lot, sales taxes, the number one um revenue source for the city of ORM. Um we've talked about University Parkway and the importance of the parkway. Um

but the city as a whole, obviously the parkway plays a big role, but all businesses within the city um play into that. And this is a another 10-year history. And I've highlighted here the the local tax portion. We received some others such as care tax and some other um sales tax related items, but the the 1% sales tax uh for the local uh here is highlighted there as well as the percentage. And this is a two-page document. So you can see this was the first four years. And then if you go to this second page, you can see the last six years. And um it just provides you with you can see the growth from 2016 to 2025 in those sales taxes. Um and and then it gives you some idea of um what type of things are happening here within the city of ORM as well as what kind of a a growth rate maybe we're seeing. And if you look at those last three years comparative to the prior seven that it brings into some question whether that grow those prior seven years kind of growth rate is that continuing because those uh sales taxes are a primary funer of how we um provide the resources to the city within um the general fund.

Say Brandon. Yes. Can you just explain uh as far as 20 2021 2022 that drastic jump in sales tax revenue 18% people went to Home Depot? Is that it? I mean that's a lot long. We didn't have a Home Depot. Well, in our case, Lowe's, but uh yeah, so I mean obviously coming out of the um pandemic um you know, we had actually changed our budget thinking that it was going to have a a pretty negative impact and to surprise not only ORM but um many many many cities especially here in Utah. Um the the So that was a co analment then.

Yes. Interesting. Um yeah, you if you look through there, I I don't think any of the other years had quite that same percentage increase if I remember correctly. Yeah. So, you know, that just gives you an idea maybe what the what was our standard, what do we normally expect to see, right, in those those four years there. you see an anomaly when it comes to 20 the pandemic from 20 to 2022 and then uh what's happened recently in the last 3 years and and there's potentially lots of reasons as to why that um has flattened out but um it is something to pay attention to and again just a a quick page in the document that you can go to and and um see to potentially ask those questions about what hey hey what's kind of going on and you can see it in a a history format and then The last page I just wanted to point out is in the very last page of the annual financial report is this general fund summary that kind of gives you a vis uh visual perspective of where does all of the revenues that for the general fund that support the general fund come from. And really the one I just wanted to point is as you'll notice the sales tax percentage on the right side and the property tax percentage below it. um as that sales tax percentage continues to grow and that property tax percentage continues to decline and I just not that there's a a good or bad about that necessarily but it is again another one of those things that you you know if you take a quick glance and you look at it and you can go okay what what kind of questions should I be asking about that that maybe seems a little high or seems a little low um especially in maybe the way I was thinking um so so that's a important graph to just, you know, quick glance kind of keep keep in your mind. And then just to give you an idea in the within the general fund, where's the money spent? Where is all where do all those revenues go? And uh you can see obviously your twothirds of that money goes to personnel. Um and um in there

you can uh gives you an idea especially if you were to take a few of these uh years and look at them back toback to see how is that changing over time. Um so anyway, are there any questions you have of me in particular before we get into the audit uh items uh results um relation to our finances for this was fiscal year 2025 which ends on ended on June 30th, 2025. Great. I will now turn the time over to John to discuss the audit results.

All right. Thanks, council, for letting me take a few minutes of your time. I know it's not going to be as praiseworthy, mayor, as all the other comments that have happened earlier. Um, but I am thankful for the opportunity that we've had to work with ORM city. Uh, the council's been great to work with and and Brandon staff. So, just want to express thanks. Uh, before I get into my report, um, as you know, uh, we've been contracted to audit the financial statements of ORM city. Uh we finalized the audit for fiscal year ended June 30th, 2025. So I just wanted to go over um the reports that we're required to issue as part of our audit um and explain kind of what's in those reports, what they're saying. Uh and then express our opinions uh what opinions we're giving um and why we're giving them. Uh so I'll start with the audit report. The audit report is found in the annual financial report. That's the only report that is in um that particular packet. Uh because Brandon prepares an annual financial report, there really isn't room for the other reports. Um they're they don't really appropriately belong in there. So, we actually have a packet of supplemental reports that that get attached to to the state and to the federal government. Um but we'll start with the audit report. Um and this report is directly related to our audit of the financial statements. Um, and our opinion is an unmodified or an unqualified opinion. And I use that those terms, you're not going to see that those terms in the audit report. Um, but if I read the the audit report, um, our opinion is that the financial statements present fairly in all material respects, the respective financial. Um, also part of the audit report um is your responsibilities um as the city. Uh these financial statements are your responsibility and Brandon and his staff

as well as the city council um are required to know and understand the accounting principles, make sure that they're being followed um in the accounting practices and in recording transactions and also preparing the financial statements, making sure that all of the the pronouncements that are issued are followed um and are implemented correctly. Uh, also, and this goes back to what Brandon was talking about with a lot of the the statistical data that he showed, um, and why it's good to have that in your financial report is now, uh, because of COVID, uh, you as a city council and Brandon's team are required to look for conditions or events that arise that have a negative impact on the city, such as a COVID type event. Um, that's why standards changed. not not everybody wanted to talk about how CO was affecting their business. Uh governments really weren't affected a whole lot in Utah. We actually did fairly well. Um but not so much outside of the state. Uh and and as you know, there were a lot of private businesses who didn't really survive through CO. Um and if you look um your sales tax is you know 40% of your revenue and if you have a code co type event and you nobody can shop that number drastically declines and then picks back up but if it doesn't pick back up then that's a negative effect to the city that could affect your ability to continue as a going concern into the future. Um so just know that that's also uh one of your responsibilities now. Um and that's a standard change across the country. Um we also are required to look for conditions or events. So um when Brandon prepares the financial statements and when I'm reviewing my staff's work, um I appreciate the the stat statistical information that Brandon puts in the financial report because it makes my job easier to look

at trends. Typically I I have to do that through looking at trial balances and running analysis. Um I'll typically do five to six years of trends, looking for negative negative trends that are affecting the city. Um but I appreciate the way Brandon puts the financial statements together. Um they are they really are one of the better put together financial statements across the state that I've that I review. Um so I appreciate that. Um there really is anything else on the audit report? So, I'm going to move to the to the supplemental reports that we're required to issue. So, the next report that we're required to issue uh just outlines that we perform your audit in accordance with government auditing standards and part of those standards state that we have to look at your internal controls. Um we don't test your controls with enough of a sample size in order to give an opinion. Um but we are testing to make sure that a you have controls in place and b that they're actually functioning the way that they they should be. Um and and the reason why we're testing the functionality is you can implement all of the controls that you want, but if you're if they're not doing what they're intended to do, uh then they're doing you no good. Um really what we're looking for is significant deficiencies or material weaknesses that are causing misstatements in the financial statements. Uh we didn't identify any, so I'm not going to spend any more time on this letter. Um the next report that we're required to issue is for the the federal government. Uh this is because you spent more than 750,000 in federal money this year. Um and and when you spend federal money, every time you get a grant, um and this is specifically related to grant money. Um every grant comes with its own set of requirements and compliance uh items that they require that you do. Um so we're looking at every one of the f federal programs that you get. We look at the grant agreements, make sure that anything that you're required to do as

far as compliance um that you are you are in compliance and then we will uh based on the numbers we will pick one or two programs that become major programs that we look at specifically um and then test the expenditures to make sure that they're spent appropriately. Um so the opinion that we give um here and this is the second opinion that we give is on your compliance with federal awards as well as your internal control over that compliance. So this one actually has two parts to it. So we are giving your op your an opinion on your internal controls over compliance as they relate to federal awards. Um, and the reason why is because they want to make sure that any grant money that you receive from the federal government, you have the controls in place to make sure that there that non-compliance is not going to happen. Um, so we have to we actually have to test enough of your internal controls there in order to give an opinion. Um, and happy to report there were no findings related to the federal awards. All right. The next report that we're required to issue is for the state auditor. Every year they outline in their compliance guide areas of Utah State code that they um either feel are important enough or that they've had issues with uh that we need to test your compliance with. Um this year you were there there's certain areas where they say we have to test them every three years. Uh that's kind of the cycle that you're in this year. So kind of surprised to Brandon's team. We tested more than we typically test. Um there were a couple of compliance issues that we'll talk about, but as far as material non-compliance, there wasn't any. So our opinion here is also on your compliance with state the state compliance audit guide as well as internal controls over that compliance. Also an unmodified or

an unqualified opinion. Um the couple of findings that we'll talk about sorry I'm just getting to my All right. So the first one um and and this has been a finding so this is kind of a repeat finding. It's been a finding for the last couple of years. Um and what the finding is is is a deficit fund balance. Um so when the facility facilities maintenance fund um which is primarily funded by charges to the other funds um has typically run at a def in a deficit position. Um what the requirement is is it's not necess a necessarily e a necessary e oh oh my gosh I can't even talk sorry a necessary evil that you create a deficit but in the subsequent budget you have to decrease budget for a 5% decrease the next year of that deficit. If it's below 5% of the revenue that that fund collects during a year then you have to eradicate the whole thing. Um it just so happens that where this is kind of an internal fund um it's really hard to generate a lot of revenue other than charging other funds. Um and so it's kind of a work in progress really. Our recommendation is you know you really just need to transfer the money into that fund to get that fund out of the deficit position. Um the city did transfer a significant amount of money into that fund this year, but with costs um and and things that happened. It didn't quite decrease that as um as far as it it should have. Um however uh the city has put in their budget a line item um to reduce that and that that that budgeted amount is not going to be touched this year um is is my expectation and I think that's Brandon

and and Bren's expectation as well and that should eradicate that deficit. So I'm hoping next year that that this finding um is corrected. Uh the second finding is the deposit and investment report. Um, this is one of those three-year cycles that we test this and so we we're not looking at these reports every year. Uh, twice a year, the city's required to file with the Utah money management council, an investment report that shows all of the deposits and investments that you have with institutions. Um, typical mistakes that we find are um people reporting not what the bank says, but what your books say, which can be different because of reconciling items. Um what that report requires is that it's what the institution has. They want to know what your deposits are. Um and the other ones are um sometimes there's so many accounts, one or two accounts will will get missed. Um and that was the case this year. U however once it was identified that report was immediately corrected. So this finding's already been corrected. Um I will we'll check on it again next year to make sure that the controls are in place to to make sure that's correct going forward. Um, so not a a concern as far as we're concerned about being corrected in the next period. And then the next one, this is a repeat finding as well. Um, this one is the general fund balance. So state requirement says that you cannot maintain more than 35% of your actual revenue as fund balance that's going to roll forward into the next period. uh fund balance for in layman's terms is the equity uh that's contained in the in the funds. So you have your assets, you have your liabilities, and then you have your fund balance or in private company terms the equity. Um and what we're looking at is your unassigned, your assigned and committed. Um and un unfortunately the unassigned and or the assigned and

committed are funds that you have already earmarked and are going to be spent for certain purposes that have already been identified. Um but we have to include those in the calculation because by council you can elect to not spend those monies the way that you've already said. Um therefore, um I think the city was was over, um you I think they were sitting at 40%. Is that what we figured out? Um I it's a finding and your state code says 35%. This is not a bad problem to have to have appropriate fund balance. Um, in in my world and my recommendations, I would say that you need to stay around the 30 to 35% mark anyways because that provides the rainy day funds for anything to happen in the future where it prevents revenues from from coming in. Um, so our recommendation is if you're going to save money like you have for for this building, um, that money is better suited in a capital projects fund where everything is assigned for specific cap capital projects. Um, and not just sitting unassigned in the general fund. Um really the city over the time that we've been the auditors and previously um have been very frugal with their funds. Um and I've actually used Orm City in in a number of examples that that I've um used in presentations because all the cities ask okay how are we doing? What can we do better? Um most of them are sitting at a fund balance of 10 to 15%. Um because the the requirement used to be 25% before everybody started getting

the huge influx of federal money. Um and then costs all went up so they they bumped it to 35%. They've left it at 35 35%. But a lot of cities haven't caught up. Um but the reason why you use you guys as an example is because you were able to pay cash for this building. um you you've been frugal with money and you've moved that money into the funds where it's more appropriate. Um so all of that boils down to yes, it's a finding. We're going to report a finding. Um you're going to have to address it with the state auditor um on why you exceeded the 35%. Um, but in talking to Brandon, it it's it's it's one of those things where um if you are frugal with your money and and you get to the end of the year, u it's hard to all of a sudden amend your budget and then move a big chunk of money out into another fund. Um, at that point, most of the amended budget, it's already set. And so, you either have a budget finding or you have a fund balance finding. Um, so kind of a catch 22 at that point. Um, nothing else that I really need to go over other than just to have to identify to you guys our the significant risks that we identified as part of our audit. That's now part of our required communication. Um, and that's in our communication letter that Brandon sent out to you. Um, and just by way of information, it's not anything directly related to the city. You can't get out of those significant risks. It doesn't matter how good you are. Um, that's our standards. So, we recognize revenue recognition as a significant risk. That's set by our standards. Um, government auditing standards requires that we set that as a significant risk. And that goes all the way back to Enron, Arthur Anderson, that whole mess. Um, our standards changed. So, we now have to recognize that significant risk. uh the MA management's override of controls

that's also set by our standard our governing body um that we have to recognize that as a significant risk. What that means is um the best example I can give is all of your financial system is built on transactions. So as people come and pay their utility bills, that's a transaction. If you collect property tax, that's transaction. So individual transactions make up your financial statement system. However, we recognize that there's going to be mistakes that are made or at year end. You're going to make acrruels, you're going to make adjustments, you're going to capitalize equipment, um all these things. So, when you create a journal entry in a financial statement system, that is overriding the transaction control. So, only certain people have that authority to create that journal entry, which is a control itself. But with that authority, they can create journal entries that then misre misrepresent the financial statements or do nefarious things inside of the financial statements themselves. So the we plan specific tests. We look at every journal entry that's created the entire year. Make sure that we understand the purpose that it's being done correctly. Um that it's approved uh so that the there are controls in place. So anytime management has the ability to override a control that becomes a significant risk. Uh the other significant risk that we have is just cash dispersements. You're dealing with public funds. Um so that's always an issue. Cash is very easy to mis misappropriate. It's very easy to misstate. Um so that becomes a significant risk. What we do in our audit is we plan specific tests targeted towards those three significant risks. um making sure that there are not misstatements in the financial statements being caused by those risks and we found none. So um with that any questions for me

any questions? This is my second trip through through this so I don't have any questions. Okay. Any questions from those in the air? No. Okay. Somebody like to make a motion? I can make a motion, mayor, that the city council accept by resolution the completed independent audit performed by Larson and Company PC. I second them. I I I I I

I I Okay, the resolution passes. Thank you. Thank you. Down in American Small, let me know. Probably be down there.

All right, sounds good. Good luck down there. Okay, let's move to item 10.2. Here we have a public hearing a reszone for 1750 South Geneva Road from OS5 to C2. Jared Hall Teresa is going to do it instead. She's going to ask. Okay, thank you. Um, so this is a a zone map amendment request at 1738 South Geneva Road. Uh, we we refer to it as Johnson Farms. Um, it is 4.43 acres. They are the Washurn Associates have asked for a zone change from OS5, which is the current zoning you can see right here, um, to C2, a commercial zone. This is the, uh, the property. It's hard to see on the other maps, but you can see the property here. These are rights of way that are planned that will be coming, and they kind of make that triangle leftover parcel. Um, and that's the piece of property that uh they're seeking a zone change on. Um, that's not the right thing. Let's see. Let's I'm sorry. Give me just one moment. Make sure what I've got going on here. That's really weird. Here we go. I apologize. Um, so this is again OS5 is the current zoning. That is a lowdensity residential zone. Single family homes and 5acre lots. Uh, again, this is a portion of the Johnson farm. it'll be left as a

remnant when the new red rights of way come in. Uh so they are asking for a zone change to C2 to allow them to do a retail focused um flex retail space is what they're calling it. Uh the C2 does allow different commercial uses like auto sales, restaurants, shopping centers, and different uh business and personal services. Um we do ask for concept plans when we ask for zone when we receive zone change applications like this. The concept plan that they've provided again are these flex retail spaces. It's several buildings. Um says 13 parking spaces. That's an error. It's 130 something parking spaces they show there. Um apologize for that. And then they'd like to do something like this. Uh these are different individual spaces. Uh different users could come in and do tenant improvements for larger spaces, smaller spaces, carve it up as they would see fit. So that's the that's the flex and flex retail that they would like to see done here. Um there was a public hearing held at the planning commission on November 6th. The commission at that time did vote to recommend approval to the council uh 5 to zero. Um and that's where we stand. Do you have any questions for staff at this point?

Do you have a Google Maps view of that area? I don't, but I can pull one up. north should say. Did Did many people come to that public meeting with the with the planning commission? Um, that's a good question. There were several. We had some

as far as neighbors and that sort of thing. I don't This isn't my computer, so I don't know if it's going to work as well as I want to, but my question is, oh, as you do that, where is the Oh, there's Cherry Hill. Oh, go ahead. I'll let you. Cherry Hill's there. Okay.

When you recognize it, you tell me cuz I'm flying blind here. Should be here. There we go. I can't tell on Google Maps if I'm in the right place or not. So, right here, I see Geneva. here. Okay. So, that's yeah, you can't it's hard to identify because there aren't those roads are just rights away that are dedicated but not uh installed or built yet planned. So, um,

so I guess I'm I just want to just kind of make sure when you say they're dedicated but just not built yet. How what are the percentage chance that those won't be built or they will be built? How does um I I don't think the percentage there isn't really a percentage chance they won't be built. It's it's the plan and the the land's been set aside for them and purchased by UD do. These are so

these are UD do roads. They'll they'll happen. Okay. Yeah. Mayor and council, one of those rows would be the Lake View corridor that would come off of Geneva Road. So, this would be right where like the Lake View corridor that will eventually connect down it to the Provo airport um where it uh pivots off of Geneva Road there on the left um or the west side of of where this project is proposed. So, is that part of Geneva Road that continues? Is that the part that's not going to be um maintained as or widened or maintained as it it will it a main thoroughare?

It won't be the main thoroughare anymore. That's right. Like

and show me that one more time that Google Maps please. So Lake View Parkway will cut this direction. That traffic will start to flow more that way and Geneva will become less trafficked. But the entrance to this is off Geneva on that side. Correct. That's the way it's planned right now in this concept. Yes. And I I I'm think that's that's related to to UD do whether they'll allow access onto those onto the new Lake View Parkway, things like that. So that was at the request of UD do that the access be on Geneva instead of Lake View.

It could be an assumption on their part that they're not going to get those accesses. I think they were told they won't be getting accesses that they'll need to access from Geneva for the project. Okay. Thank you. That's my recollection. So while you're on that map, can you just draw with your cursor a triangle where this is at? I will do my best. I think it's like that. And right now that's just all farmland. Mhm. It's the remnants of that farm.

J, can you go back to the the red triangle? Yeah. Originally because I think if I remember the planning commission, it's it's on its own island, right? It's so so secluded. So, um that's why they voted in 50 that um it was the best use of that property because it it goes out onto Geneva and then the the main highway is going to go right behind it. Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good assessment of kind of their view of it. It was it was it's going to remain very isolated once that's done. And I apologize that one slide is out of order and all these others. So, I got to find my way back to it. Right there for some somehow got put to the very front. So, you sort of see the road in the yellow. it's going to go behind it and it's just going to be an island.

So, this is that cutoff that Bren was mentioning. The Lake View Parkway will go this way now and then they'll allow another um reconnection up to Geneva, but it will isolate this piece of property quite and and for that triangle, I think you have to maximize the property. I think um the developer has utilized that space very well. It doesn't leave a lot. 4.43 acres isn't a lot of commercial land. Yeah. So, in simple terms, what will be built there versus what was going to be built there? What type of product?

That's a that's a good question. And um um the the challenge with zone changes is always that it's it's a concept plan, but the they're not bound to build exactly that. Um the C2 zone would allow these flex retail spaces. The Washurn's plan is to build uh flex retail that's available to different kinds of users. It's not going to without access directly from the higher volume roads. It'll probably be smaller businesses um some services. I could see salons and things like that being uh typical for uses in that kind of a space. Um different different kinds of users might might want that. It's hard to say who would take them because they're going to build them on spec for whoever might want to take them as tenants. Um but what's there right now, what it's been used for in the past is for agriculture. Um, it is residential land, low density residential land for all intents and purposes right now.

As as far as if it were approved as C2, would that be locked in that it would be for this use that's been presented or could they do whatever they want on a C2? They could do anything that's allowed in the C2 zone. Um, the Washburns um are willing to they talked to the planning commission. They talked about a development agreement. Yeah. And I think Paul was in favor of that. Yeah. They're they're willing to look at that kind of thing if that makes it more palatable. It's a lot of option. The planning commission didn't bind them to that, but they were interested in that. Thought it should be up to the council. So, what were the issues that they wanted included in a development agreement that the planning commission that what they were showing is what was going to be is what they were going to build. Mhm. Okay. And I think Paul was good with that.

Yeah. Yeah. I I would development agreement to make because it's it's away from all the other commercial. Yeah. So I think if you're going to change this commercial right in the middle of agricultural, you want a development agreement to ensure that what's promised happens. And we could let we could let the applicants speak to that too. I know they were they talked to the commission about it like like Councilman Spencer said about a development agreement. It's not out of the realm of what's doable for them.

Any questions? Any questions? from above. No. Okay, let's go ahead and open this as a public hearing up or did you want to present? Okay, go ahead. I could. Yeah, go ahead and present.

Yeah, it is. Well, good evening, mayor and members of the council. Um, property is an interesting piece of property. The roadway on both sides of the property, the immediately to the west and then to the south are both U DOT roadways and we have been told it's a limited access roadway and we will never have an access on either of those roads. Uh we've looked at the property. It's uh triangles are hard to develop. Uh but we've looked at it. We've decided that the flex retail space we're proposing is probably the best use for the property. That's what we're moving ahead with. We have offered to do a development agreement. One of the things that the developers are very anxious to do is we don't want any automotive uses on the side. Uh we don't want car lots. We don't want anything. We have actually provided to the city a draft of a development agreement. uh we're ready to sign it or if staff wants to redo it, we can do that as well. Uh but it uh within the CCNRs of the property, we'll ban those uses, but if you want to have it as part of the ordinance, we're glad to have that as well. Uh we're looking at flex retail space. We're looking at trying to design the project to mirror the historic farm uses. Uh that's what the buildings are designed. It's flexible space. We will build buildings probably two at a time and then as people fill those spaces then we'll add the other buildings. U we have not marketed the property at this point. Uh we won't do that until we have a site plan in place. Uh however we have had some casual interest uh beauty salon. We've got pest control business would like to move out of their house and into uh something a little more

formal. And I think we'll continue to fill those spaces that same way. Um had one other point I wanted to make and I just flew out of my head. I'm sorry. Um the last one I want to make is we are anxious to get the zoning in place and to get a site plan approved and in place. One of the things we're trying to do is coordinate all of the utilities with UD do on that those roadways to the west. That's where our water, storm drain, sewer, all has to go. We don't want to be in a position having the road done first where we have to either bore the road or tear it up to be able to put those utilities in place. Trying to work and get that done uh quickly. the developers that are uh involved in this. Uh it's Russell Yao, Ron Mortimer. Uh they are both seasoned traffic engineers with Corex Engineering. They both retired from that now. We both have very good relationship with UD do. That's one of the things we want to do is make sure this is done right so we're not having to alter roadways in the future. And I can answer any questions you might have. just

I guess I'm I'm Can I just ask I mean I'm just kind of surprised that this wasn't presented as a residential use because you've you to me it seems ideal. You've got it backs up to two streets so you could have the backs of the residential to two um areas. Uh while um Geneva is not going to be continued to be used as a main thoroughfare from what I understand that Lake View Parkway is they're just planning on the traffic going down that way. So was that a consideration by anyone? Did you see interest in that? how how

we looked at it uh in drawing it out for uh conventional residential uses R18 so do we couldn't make it work triangles are just very difficult to work with it probably can be developed as of apartment project however the council has pretty much said they don't want any more apartments in ORM probably not a fight we want to make at this point we believe there's a good use for the retail u we don't see a lot of ORM residents down there at this point. There's a lot of Provo residents and I've been a ORM resident for 74 years at this point. Any sales tax I can poach from Provo, Lynon, anywhere else I want to do it. Uh, and I think we've got a good opportunity to do that with this site. It's going to be um destination retail. It's uh probably not the kind of thing you're going to be driving down the street and say, "Guy, I want to jump in here and buy a popsicle." But um there's a lot of businesses that this will work very well for. Probably the best use we can get for the property at this point.

Steve, I've got a question for you. So, if we do a development agreement, it has to go back to the planning commission or clarify that, please. Yeah. So, if you do a development agreement that controls land use, in other words, controls what uses can be on the property or cannot, and they're different from the C2 zone or has different standards in the C2 zone, then that would have to be something that's considered by the planning commission. So, yeah, if we were to if you wanted to have a development agreement to control or limit the uses, it'd have to go back for their consideration and discussion.

So, that would that would delay it a month. Would that be fine with you? We'd prefer not to, but if that's what we have to do, we will. Uh, as I said, we're going to have those uses banned from CCNRs on the project. In terms of automotive uses, this is probably the worst place in the world to put them. It wasn't much of a sacrifice on our part to say we don't want those here. They just don't fit. By by automotive uses, do you mean like a gas station? That's right.

Gas station, uh, auto repair, a brake shop, anything that would have cars stacked in the parking lot. We don't want, uh, this would be a horrible location for a gas station. It's not on a main road. Uh, it's not going to work. This one, I think what's going to work best is basically what we've proposed. Any other questions? Let's go ahead and open this up as a public hearing. We have any questions, comments from the public on this topic?

Uh, a friendly question. Uh, I wanted to know what the offsets are between the red triangle and the yellow roads. Paul, you said there was going to be no access allowed to the red triangle from the yellow roads. And so I'm wondering I'm I'm sure I misunderstood that. And so I'm wondering, will these buildings be facing the roads to the west and to the south? Will they be facing Geneva Road? Um will will they be serving people driving to the temple which is just north about two blocks.

They will be facing Geneva Road uh adjacent to the two roadways that to the south and to the west. Uh it's 25- ft landscape setback. Um, again, if you're coming down Geneva Road, you could access the site. Otherwise, it would be something you'd have to plan to do. Either uh access it. There'll be two access points, both on both ends of the triangle, both ends. The north and south ends. Yes. Jared, could you pull up the concept design? Yeah. Concept plan. I'm sorry, Dave. your answers.

Yeah, we're considering uh at least two access points, possibly three. That'll be depend on the city engineer. Uhhuh. So, so just to clarify, is that are the backs so on these offroads, is it that going to be the back of the buildings? That will be the back of the buildings on both of those on both south and the Yes. There won't be any access from those roads. We're going to decorate the buildings so that they're attractive. Uh but there won't be entrance from that side. So you so you have a 25 ft landscape. 20 foot is what this requires going right up to the back of the building. Yes. Yes. Thank you.

What's the circle in the corner? That's going to be a silo that will have our signage on it so people driving on the busy streets at least know we're there. Okay. Uh silo is be fairly short. That's where we're going to keep our lawnmowers and maintenance equipment.

Any other questions, comments?

Okay, we'll we'll go ahead and bring this back to the council. Any questions, comments from the council? Yeah, I have a question, mayor. If I'm I'm It's interesting that the planning commission was willing to approve it as is, and I hate to put another burden on them to come back with a a site plan that may change because they're trying to sell it. I'm okay with the approval of it in the zone that they've requested. So, so Tom, they the the planning commission did recommend a plan a development agreement, but they can't say that because they're just giving a yay or nay to us. Thank you, David, for that additional insight.

Yeah, and I I actually agree with that. I agree with I'm okay with this, but I want a development agreement that basically locks it down as that's what's going to happen on the C2 development because I think C2 is too broad to be out there in that rural area. I think we want a development agreement that I think this is a good concept. I just want to make this happen.

Yeah. And we've got residential across the street. So, I think we want to be um just for the peace of mind of those people. If you're willing to do it, I I feel a development agreement would be a great gesture and um a good plan. I think we're willing to do it. I would hope we could facilitate it with uh because of election and a number of other things. We're about four months into this process already. I hope we wouldn't have to go another four to get there. Paul, you're quicker than that. It won't take you four months.

Yeah. I mean, I just barely went to the neighborhood meeting. You guys got it here pretty quick. I was going to say I remember just going to that neighborhood meeting there. So anyway, yeah. Okay. Would somebody like to make a motion? I'll I'll make a motion that the city council uh approve the reszone at 7 1750 South Geneva Road. Sorry. Can I interject? So I thought the direction that you were going was you wanted to have a development agreement. So I would suggest that you refer this back to the planning commission for them to consider, you know, terms of a development agreement and then make a an additional recommendation back to you to come back.

So I'll make a motion that we defer this back to the planning commission for a development agreement. I'll second that. I Oh, sorry. I above I I Jeff I I I Yes, we we agree and this goes back to the planning commission on those terms. So, thank you. Thank you. We'll be back in touch.

Okay. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Item 10.3, a public hearing on an ordin ordinance, a text amendment for PD36. Jared, thank you. This is um this is an a a text amendment request in the PD36 zone, which is a plan development zone specific to a technology park um in this area between 16 and 1200 North and Geneva Road and I-15. Um the applicants in this case are it's a really simple text amendment request. They would like to add a specific um land use code 7425 gymnasiums and athletic clubs to the list of permitted uses in that zone. It's to allow for them to they're um they they want to run a paddle gym there. Paddle is a sport kind of like uh pickle ball. Kind of like pickle ball, raetball. Um it's a it's a big international sport. Um and the uh the request is simply to allow for that to happen. this is the building that they would like to be in. The being a specific um plan development zone, it has a list of permitted uses and it doesn't just it's not as comprehensive as many. So, the most recent addition besides them would have been the go-kart tracks that were allowed um not too long ago. So, it fits in with those kind of things. The the general plan is uh regional commercial in this area. It fits in with that. Um so, that's really that's really all there is to it. The planning commission did vote uh to recommend approval to you as the city council at the hearing on uh November 5th.

Okay. Do we have any questions? We'll go ahead and open that up to the public for a public hearing.

So, my name is Parker. I'm actually one of the uh two individuals that put this text forward with my brother Kyle. Um Jared did an amazing job of presenting this. Uh just one quick correction. It's actually not that building. It's the building right there in the corner. Uh that tiny one. Um no. Oh, this one.

It's that one right there. Um so that's the building that we are um going into. Uh like Jerry was saying, uh it's a sport called paddle or padell. It's uh very popular internationally. Uh again, like it's much like pickle ball. Um, it's one of the fastest growing sports in the world. It's just not quite here to the United States yet. Um, which is what Kyle and I are working on doing. Um, it's a a mix of tennis and raetball, so you are on a court about the third the size of a tennis court. Um, surrounded by some glass walls that you can play off of. Um, personally, Kyle and I play it uh whenever we can. There's not uh there's only one other facility here in Utah and it's up in uh uh North Salt Lake and uh we think it's significantly more fun than uh than pickle ball. Um and as two individuals that um that attended here to UVU, we are very excited at the idea of bringing something that other students and young professionals and families can do together. So,

thank you. Okay. So, you probably didn't hear my offmic moment, but I said blasphemy when you said it was better than pickle ball here in Orum. That's like the god, right? But I'm excited to see that or learn about that. I don't know anything about it. It sounds like it's fun.

Yeah. Know these guys are smart. I mean, ORM's been rated in the top 10 in pickle ball and all these different categories and rankings. So, you know, now that you guys are here, paddle ball, I mean, yeah, it makes sense. I mean, this would be the place to launch something like this, right? This place that makes things happen. Any uh any questions from the council? Okay. Any anyone else on the public hearing would like to come up? No one's going to be against this. Okay. It's your lucky night. Okay. Uh we'll close the public hearing and we'll bring it back for a vote. We do it. I move to approve by ordinance the text amendment for PD36. Second.

I I I I I I Okay, that's a lot of eyes. It all passes. It's unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. You've made Parker and his brother very happy. We've planning staff's come to know them as the Paddle Bros. So, Bros for the win. There you go. Good job.

Okay, moving on. Item 10.4. We have a public hearing for an ordinance, a reszone for 575 East, 1000 South from R8 to PD34 Home Depot. Jared, thank you. Again, that PD zoning, the plan development zone. So um this is the this is a small piece you can see here 575 east.31 acres. It's a single family home. It's adjacent to that PD34 zone which is the University Place uh specialty zone. This is Costco that you can see here. And this area to the south and or to the east and south of the subject property is already part of that PD34 zone as well. Um and where the Home Depot would like to build a new building. uh they want to include that piece in their larger development and that's the reason it's the subject of this uh request for zone change. Um again I probably should have that slide makes a little more clear. You see the PD34 kind of surrounding that uh home there. So the only the only property I just want to make sure everyone understands the only property that's up for reszoning is this little piece here. The rest of it is already in the PD34 zone. Um again you can see the home here 575 East. Uh this is where it fits into the larger scheme of what the Home Depot is hoping to build. Um in terms of process, this is the zone change request. If if there are proof of the zone change request, then they'll move forward with there's a subdivision that needs to happen to clear up some lot lines and combine some things. And there is a um the site plan that would be necessary at the planning commission as well. Uh but this part of it is this part of the request is to make this portion uh this lot a part of their larger site plan. Um the see what else I wanted to make sure I understood for you here. So just a couple of things about the PD34 zone. It

does have development standards that are specific to that zoning as opposed to C2 or whatever other kinds of commercial zones. It is principally a commercial zone. However, uh there's a minimum 20ft setback required from the west boundary of that zoning. That that whole line along where the subject property is is the west boundary. Um an 8ft masonry wall is required uh as a buffer. Uh an 8ft landscaping buffer is required although in many instances in the site plane they'll have more than the 8 ft. Uh heights are limited in this hatched area certain distances from that west buffer um 35 ft and no access is allowed on the west side of the PD34 zone. Um so there won't be any vehicular access or anything like that uh allowed either way whether this was reszoned or not. There's still no vehicular access from the west. Um, yeah. So, that's that's the uh gist of that zone and how it relates to what this property would how it would develop if it's included in that larger PD34 zone. Um, the planning commission held a public hearing on December 3rd. Uh, they did not forward a recommendation. Their vote was 3 to2 on a motion to recommend approval. So, that there there's no recommended action from the planning commission. What? What? How does that work? If it's three to two in favor of the motion, how's it not recommended that?

They would have needed four for it to formally be recommended for So, they were missing people. Yeah. Okay. Weren't all weren't all in attendance.

So, is there anything anyone else is going to present or should we do the public hearing? Um, I believe the applicants are here tonight. I believe they would want to speak. Okay. Why don't we have the applicant speak?

Mr. Mayor, uh, city council, uh, executive team and staff, thank you very much, uh, for, uh, your service. It's, it's actually been an inspiring, uh, evening to be able to attend. So, so we really appreciate you and appreciate the opportunity to work together. Um, you know, as we have looked at this, uh, we have been very conscientious and and careful, uh, to work with the neighborhood, um, and to work to, uh, try to continue to develop, uh, the PD34 zone in a manner that would accomplish the goals that we all set out to achieve um, you know, over the last 15 years as we've been working to redevelop uh, this part of the city. And uh that is to provide a a mix of uses um here to make uh the retail asset as well as everything else happening at the campus more relevant and continue to be relevant into the future. And we think that this is a critical part of what we're doing here with what we're proposing tonight. Um we um as you look at this map, you can kind of see essentially what we're proposing here is that we would straighten out uh the property line to allow for uh this development. Um, you know, as we worked through, we hadn't anticipated that this would be necessary, but as we worked through the development process, um, as we laid the site out, looked at our constraints, both from a topography, um, our underground constraints from an infrastructure perspective, and as we looked at how we would, um, optimize the use of this land, uh, this is necessary and, uh, something that we, um, would hope that we would be able to accomplish tonight. Um the um only other thing I might mention is that uh we we have um as part of our proposal um we will be uh constructing the 8ft masonry wall that is actually already constructed in a large section um of the red line that's shown there. We also um are proposing to construct a 12ft masonry wall um at in the area to the north. I'm not sure if we have uh a map that we might be able to reference where we could show that.

Um we had submitted something earlier today but in any event uh we have studied uh sound and and noise uh potential nuisances here. Uh we have uh worked with our uh acoustic consultants uh to understand these concerns and we believe that uh the 8ft wall combined with this 12t wall as well as a generous landscape median or buffer I should say um uh between the the new proposed use um and what we're doing here uh will help to mitigate that sound and and create uh a condition um that should be acceptable for for the city and for the for our neighbors uh to the west and so happy to you know jump go into more detail or explain that further uh but uh that is the the summary of our proposal.

Can you can you show us that uh just where the 12ft wall would be and where the 8ft wall would be?

Yes. Um I'm not sure if uh we had we had sent a map earlier uh today um but but I could I could just point it there. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. So, so all right. So, as you look at um let's see if we went I think it's probably two slides down. So on on this map here, the uh uh pink or magenta color uh is where we're proposing to build a 12-oot wall um that would provide additional sound mitigation. Uh this is where uh the setback uh for from the property line um as is at its narrowest. Um and it's also adjacent to the loading dock. Um and so uh that's the reason why we would construct a wall in excess of what's required under the the zone ordinance. Um and uh we believe again as we study this with our acoustic consultant that this would uh mitigate uh the the nuisance and and create a condition that should be acceptable. Can I ask you if that does not because this is if I'm remembering correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the loading dock was not going to be enclosed and so this was the effort to mitigate the sound be because you didn't they didn't want to necessarily enclose the loading dock. Um, may I ask is there some flexibility with if it turns out that we are having an increased decibel out output output that affects that home right there that that could be entertained, there could be an opportunity to create more enclosures

around that loading dock or what what's it looking like for that? If we find a problem, I mean, we have an issue in our city right now of a car wash that they thought it wouldn't cause a problem. we there's no fix, you know. So, here is there a plan B if plan A doesn't work?

Um, so, uh, we have with us here today, um, the Home Depot team, um, as well that and they could probably speak to that. I I think from a developer side, and I'll let them them speak to this as well, but I would say that be very difficult, um, for us to do something probably after the fact. We have though studied this in detail and we looked at the enclosure and the enclosure actually doesn't mitigate the sound as well as this wall would. So this is actually from our understanding with the acoustic consultants the best solution to sound. Um and so that's why we're proposing it. But maybe I'll I'll let the Home Depot team speak to that as well.

Pretty tall. Thank you. Council uh Dan Zold Lars Anderson Associates uh representing Home Depot. Um, as Arthur uh mentioned, yeah, the pink wall is the best mitigation associated versus enclosing what you see in the yellow. Uh, the the the large amount of the noise that will be created will be from the braking and the backing up of the truck. And so within the yellow, the truck actually backs up against the store and all the offloading is actually encased in the store already. And so all the offloading activity, the truck is backed up against the store and that's all taken in place inside the store. So the noise that you'll see encountered kind of is the blue blue line of the actual truck stopping the beeping of the of the truck backing up into the yellow. And that's why the pink magenta is the noise buffer that that that is needed to u mitigate um the any increase in noise that that increase that you're see or mitigation that you're seeing. You know, you guys actually have done a great job writing the code and the 8ft wall already is a a significant buffer already presented. you know, Home Depot was already allowed use within the bigger global area of the zoning. And so, um, you know, what you what you there's already a significant, um, buffer already with your 8ft wall and your landscape and your setback associated with all of that. So the additional buffer that you know the owner is offering up here of additional 4 foot will will mitigate I think it's right around five dB which is what's pretty equivalent what you're seeing in the increase in the ambient noise today. So I'm available for any other questions that might come up

while you're up. What's what's your take on the uh the green fence going down? That's That's a parking area right there next to it, right? So, you just have cars coming in and out for parking. Is that employees? I don't anticipate um all that parking to be used a a lot. I think that's just going to be maybe some overflow. Um you know, I think, you know, part of the required parking all of our customers and and really we want our employees to be actually parking out front also. So, we anticipate uh you know the front door being our main primary parking area uh associated with customers and and our employees.

So, you think it's fairly unlikely that parking will be used heavily or every day or anything like that? No, I would not anticipate that would be a high parked area. Yeah, you have to walk all the way around, right? We yeah we we would discourage actually for most most part you know that it would maybe be some overflow for if we had to put some of our employees during holiday seasons or whatever but we would for the most part discourage parking back there.

Okay. Well, so when are your delivery hours? Is it during working hours or is it after working hours? They they come in different, you know, that trucks come from different places, you know, across, you know, and things, but their their delivery hours uh off off hour, you know, if your store closes at 10:00, let's say, your store closes, you're still having people unloading at midnight or I I would say we would probably unload maybe before the store opens, but there could be, you know, off hours unloading after after and before store hours.

Can I get more specific, please? What time of day do you start receiving deliveries? Because Costco already receives deliveries before noise ordinance allows that noise to happen. It's extremely disruptive there. The garbage the garbage is emptied. Those big dumpsters are emptied before allow to be heard at least people up 5:00 in the morning. So, Steve, do you know do you know what the noise ordinance is? Is it 7:00 a.m. to 10 or something or Yeah, the noise ordinance uh I can look that up real quick. Um why don't I do that just so we know that for sure.

That that sounds about right. I think it's 7 to 10. You know, we do open the store I think at 6. And so we would we would actually be opened prior to the noise ordinance. We do accept deliveries off hours. By by off hours you mean in the middle of the night, 24 hours a day. What what they wouldn't be 24 hours a day, but you know, they do come in after the store closes and before the store opens.

I guess I'm just trying to understand if it is in the middle of the night versus right before and after the store cuz some car dealerships they're bringing cars 24/7 kind of thing. Yeah, there's I would say the majority of them are going to come right after the store or right before the store. There's not something that comes at midnight or 2:00 a.m. You know, that's that would be very very uncommon to happen at those hours. You know, they would Is that Is that because you need employees in the store to help? Is that why? Yeah, we'd have the employees there to unload and offload. We don't Sometimes we're not in control when the truck shows up, traffic or whatever. I guess what I'm saying is trying to clarify why it would be unusual. Would it be unusual because there's no employees there in the middle of the night kind of thing? They they're there maybe an hour before, an hour late.

Exactly. So, yeah. Sometimes the truck shows up off hours and and sits there, you know, and puts the the truck physically there and it gets offloaded, you know, at when when the employees show up. Okay. So, it's kind of that's kind of what drives it then as far as employees being there to participate in the loading unloading

because I mean I I think in reality I mean the trucker could park in the front of the store and then pull it around when the store's open and unload it because it's the beep beep beep. So, can you Jared, can you go to the picture of the house? The the fence is to me is quite close to the houses. How close is it? You have the two houses with the fence and then the the one right there. Yeah, right there. That it there's a buffer, but how close is it? Do we know?

So, these these homes actually because they're it's sideyards. It's not the rear yard or the front yard. So, it is closer. I'm not sure what the actual distance from that home is to the property line. Right here. The owner right here. So, how close is it? 10 ft. Okay. Window to the proposed wall is 10 ft. I just want to support the idea that the 12T wall is really important for the noise reduction. And mayor, we need to have him speak into the mic. Not only for the record, but the other three council members are online can hear.

Ralph Olson, my wife and I have lived here for 50 years at this address. Uh, so we've watched a lot of things happen. Anyway, uh, we don't have a backyard. All the other homes up and down that street have a backyard. So, you've got 30, 40, 50 ft plus the 20 ft. We have 10 ft. I measured it with my tape measure. And if the trucks go north before they back into that yellow space, they will be literally within 15 ft of our bedroom window. And of course, an eight or a 9 ft wall wouldn't be adequate. So, I'm very much in favor of the 12T wall. I'm really glad, really happy to see that. Um, I do think there ought to be just a little further space, uh, so that the truck driver isn't just within 15 ft of our house with even though the wall is there and it would cut down the noise a lot, I'm sure. Um, we're very concerned. We are the most affected residents uh in that neighborhood. This is my wife Annette. Did you want to say something?

Thank you. I appreciate all of you and all that you do. Thank you very much. And I appreciate very much them proposing a 12ft wall. However, I'm still concerned because all of the delivery trucks are scheduled to come in and go along that back side of the property, the green along the green space. All the trucks are going to come there and go up past our house and to the to the loading dock and drive up and back in and then back out and then go out somewhere the other way. So, are there any setback regulations for uh a traffic pattern that is going to be quite a bit of traffic that's that close to a residential um people? All the other people that have the green space and the other wall, they also have their backyards between and they have the 60 ft set back to the building. But our house is right there next to the loading dock. All of those other houses that are along that backside have the parking lot, the green space, the and plus their backyards. So, I just want you to realize how close it is and we would really appreciate the 12T wall and anything else that would help us. Thank you. One additional issue that we may not have much control over um is that one of the things we've noticed with Costco is if they don't have if there's nobody there to unload the trucks,

they park the truck pretty close to our property and the engines run and run and if it's a refrigerated truck, for example, they just let the engines run for hours and that's right next to our bedroom window, too. So I don't there maybe there's nothing we can do about that. Uh I think there has been some good response from Costco in encouraging the drivers from all the companies who deliver there to park further away from the residential area and we've appreciated that. Thank you. So how far is the 12oot wall? The

So, how how far is the 12? Is it in the the 12 foot wall would go on the property line? No, but like from where? Where's the starting point? Uh, so it's all of the the pink area there. So, show the houses again. Yeah. Yeah. So, the pink pink is going to go from the the border of your property all the way down. Okay. Colored roof right there. That's our house. Okay. Right next to the yellow. That's us. That's our home. Yeah. So, the 12oot wall goes from Costco um Costco's property down um past the house and um past the loading

past the culdeac. And this doesn't show it, but um we're thinking that we would turn the 12ft wall uh east west as well. So, you you'd add that where the green is that would be a 12ft wall behind their house. Yeah. Okay. Good deal. So, the house up above next to the reszone spot, what's up with that house? Is that a 10 foot sideyard, too? I don't know how big the side is on that one. Go to the other or an eight. Sorry. Picture again. So, um yeah, up by up there. Yeah, that's uh it's a 20 foot wide landscape. You have a 20 foot 3 ft worth of parking. So, that one even though it's close to the house, you have a 20 foot landscape buffer zone on that one. That's right.

Okay. So, mayor, I think um we should have opened up for up for

Okay. Yeah. Can I come back and answer uh Councilman Spencer's question on the noise ordinance? Uh so that there in our ordinance it's our disturbing the peace ordinance and there are some time limitations for certain types of activities and that the time uh limitations are from 10:30 p.m. to 7 a.m. And that covers things like construction work, operation of machinery or power equipment or loud music from a residential property like loud music and things like that. However, it does not cover delivery trucks, but it would potentially cover a truck that's idling or stationary and is running a refrigeration uh system or something like that, but not the delivery truck itself and and moving.

So, it could potentially cover a diesel engine just running. If if somebody's just stationary and they're they've got the heat on or they're refrigerating or something like that, that's something it could potentially cover, but not just coming and going. Okay. And then one other point to the dumpsters. I know for sure that they should not be dumping before or collecting before 7:00 a.m., right? We had that behind my neighborhood and they said they're they're aren't supposed to be Could you let me just talk? that they're not supposed to be dumping. I don't know if it's 6:00 a.m. or 7 a.m., but there seems to be a limit on that one, too, because

Yeah, that that may be another section of the code. That doesn't appear to be in this particular section that I'm referring to. That might be in another section. I suspect it is. It's probably in our solid waste code. Okay. Yes.

Could I make one more little point? If you put the map back up that shows where our house is, the excuse me, the pink wall that goes across the street and then jogs to the west and then back up again toward the north. There's about 10 ft between that pink line and the next neighbor that's across the street from us. So, we haven't mentioned that house there, but they're as close, they will be as close to that wall as we are on the other side of the street. So, the 12T wall is important for that full distance.

You're saying that's important for that full distance. way it's shown because there's an another house. The property that is be is being considered for reszoning is right next to that house across the street, but the property line goes to probably within 10 ft of that second home. Okay. the the um the mall property. And you you were also making the point that where that pink line comes down and intersects the green line if you're going down uh just on that little jog right there. Were you saying that that was a you were thinking about making that 12T also? And you were were you saying that that was important to you?

That would be very very helpful to us. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean 12 feet 12 feet is a serious fence. I mean a basketball hoop's 8 ft. This is 12 feet. So it's getting up there which is really positive for mitigating noise. Surprisingly the difference between the 8ft wall and the 12ft wall is 5 d which is a lot. Say that again. I'm sorry. The difference between having an 8ft wall and a 12ft wall is five dibels which is a lot. There's um there's a chart on here that kind of shows um the difference in noise noises. It's on.

Going back to that Dave, you say going back to that other map the So, we're Hang on just one second. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. So, we'll we'll open this up to a public hearing and then Dave, you can go. Go ahead. You you can go. We just had to open that up. Okay.

Um, the zone change that's proposed allows for the truck access. They can be beat back up into the loading dock on the blue lines, which they couldn't if there weren't a zone change and the house torn down. But it also, right, I think, but it also allows for a dozen parking spots within 10 ft of the remaining house. on the west. Um, my question is, my first question was going to be why do they need the zone change, but my question now is because of the blue lines. My question now is why do they need the parking spots? Why not give up that space and build the blue the red the pink line straight north instead of jogging and then going north to give more room for the owners that remain. That would be an amazing wonderful chair.

But Jared, isn't the setback right now 20 feet? What's the other picture yet? Yeah, this this area. Yeah. So, it's 20 now 20 plus the parking and then the 10 and then 10 ft. So, you're 30 and Yep.

But you've got a wall right next to your house, a 12ft wall 10T from your house. You really hand him My question is is why do we even need Home Depot? There's not any new building going on. There's stuff maybe down by in Lynen where we have one right now. But when does this bleeding of our neighborhood stop? We just keep getting taken out more and more by your wonderful company. We keep losing neighbors. We keep losing great families. The family of the home that was just sold to Woodbury was fabulous. They're gone. Doesn't matter if you put up a 12-oot wall or an 8ft wall. You're taking members of our neighborhood, friends that we love, homes that we have grown up in for what? More commercial property, more businesses that we don't need. We have enough hardware stores around here. What's next? What more is Woodbury going to do to our little neighborhood that there's only a few of us left? The bleeding needs to stop. Hello, my name is Mark Gessel. I live um Kitty Corner to the Olsson's in that same development just a few feet from the wall, tens of feet from the wall, proposed wall. I think I remember attending a meeting several months ago with Home Depot and it was a good gracious meeting. We had a good good conversation, but I think one of the suggestions that we had at that point was to actually move the loading dock either to the towards more towards the front of the store or move it to the south end as opposed to being on the north end. And I would like to understand if that um if that request was given consideration and uh why we're going ahead with this plan where it seems to me like the reloading dock could be reasonably located somewhere else. Thanks.

As I was looking at the satellite map, if they want to pull that up again, there's the gap between the white, you know, property of Home Depot and the funky road that if anybody drives that as often as I do, it's not really a road. It's just Do you see that gap of the parking quote unquote on the east side of Home Depot of the Yeah. So that that road I'm just curious why everything has to be as close as possible to the resident side rather than as far to the east of what is currently asphalt. And as well as the many Home Depots that I've been to, there are options with the garden center being like here in this, it's on the north side. And if he's talking about having the loading dock, etc. There are I have seen creative home depots where there are options of how they position their loading docks, their garden centers, etc. so that the massive amount of parking that's still available to the east of Home Depot can absorb that that land that this is just a curiosity question is what's the total property acreage of the plot and why does it why is it forced to that as far as as far as possible to residents versus shifting it even 20 more feet that way, 30 more feet that way. This is just I mean a curiosity of why are we always pushing

as close to as possible to our residents. Same with, you know, whenever we're talking about zoning, it seems that we're always getting as close as possible to our residents and not considering the impact of of what that means to the residents. So So I I I think that's a great question. I'd like to I I don't want to interrupt the flow of this, but would you respond to can we see an aerial view of that whole thing and see why it's there versus, you know, 30 ft over and uh sorry, Mr. Mayor, would you like me to respond and please? Um, so you know, we we spent um probably the better part of two years uh working uh with Home Depot. Uh they're a wonderful company and we think that they'd be a great community partner um trying to determine uh you know where the building would sit, how all of these uh traffic flows would work, etc. And this is the plan that we landed on. Um after that two years of effort um there are some underground infrastructure um constraints uh that would require significant um reinvestment to to um uh to change if we were to change things around and and um and so I I would just say that you know this is again the the result of of two years of effort you know we've tried to observe um the constraints of the zone we've tried you know we looked at other things I mean uh within the zone uh that would be permitted such as, you know, higher uh taller buildings, I should say. We felt that those would actually probably create more of a nuisance potentially for our neighbors to the west. Um we we felt

that this use was the right use uh for this location on our site. Um we think we're bringing a use to the site that doesn't exist already. Um that's an important uh new uh retailer and new partner um on our campus and and in the community. And um again as we if we evaluated how it is that we would continue to develop the site to you know generate the most uh you know public benefit and and private benefit and opportunity uh for for for commerce um and for new residents uh andor you know uh opportunities for a place to live for the growing families in the community uh that this uh was the right uh right use um in this location as we redevelop the site. So so I think that um you know we've we've tried to be careful. We we've pushed the building, you know, it's most of the building is more than 70 ft away from the property line. We've created those generous uh landscape buffers uh most of that distance. Um we we are um closer um to to the home here and and we've tried to uh listen and respond. And uh again, as we've studied this, we studied the enclosure, we studied, you know, various different things that we could do. And uh this 12T wall is actually interestingly uh the the best uh mitigation that we've been able to to determine working with experts um to to achieve uh the mitigation that that we would hope to achieve.

Okay, let's let's continue with your public questions. Thank you.

A question for Home Depot. Um do you have policies in place for your delivery drivers? like are they allowed to idle the entire time that they're unloading and loading? Do you have policies with regard to being mindful of the exhaust fumes that are going to be filtered? The canyon creates a breeze all the time. So, all of that exhaust is going to be flowing into our neighborhood. It's disruptive. The noise will do the same. Um, so what are your policies with regard to your delivery drivers and idling and things like things like that?

Sure. Sure. Thank you. Um, kind of may maybe an additional mention here. You know, the 12T wall will not only not only mitigate uh Home Depot, but it will actually help with the Costco situation. Uh, a lot of a lot of the sound is coming from there. I will answer. Uh, as far as as uh the this the idling, uh, we do not have refrigerated trucks. So we we do come and park in the thing. We do turn off the trucks. And so we do have operation restrictions that are in place on not only about that, but but the delivery route, the route that they're supposed to follow. And and yes, uh we do have we do shut the trucks off.

Thank you. Once again, if there have been other proposals with regard to where to locate that um loading dock, I'd like to be privy to those. We would be happy as neighbors to sit down with Home Depot and work through that. I'm not opposed to the Home Depot itself, as maybe some of the other neighbors are strongly opposed to it. I'm not. However, I think that we are owed some due diligence and some insight as to what other configurations um they have looked at with regard to locating the loading dock. I think there's other options and it's not obvious to me. You know, there's infrastructure, underground utilities, whatever it is. I I think the neighbors would love to hear those options that Open Depot has looked at and and why they're still sticking with this particular um solution with the 12T wall. still believe frankly that there's other places they put a loading dock would be a lot less disruptive than what they're proposing here. So I would love to meet with Home Depot. I'm sure the neighbors would be glad to do that and take a look at all the things the configurations of that store that they've actually considered and why they're proposing this. I would like to know and I think I think the neighbors neighbors were entitled to that. Could could you answer that from Home Depot just as far as what other configurations you have in other Home Depots in other areas and what's possible?

So, I don't know if you want to go to the layout. Uh, you know, our layout is is set as is a prototype building where you're seeing, you know, the truck dock next to the garden center. That's how we build all of our stores. Uh, just how our our loading operations and the stores configured. And so, that's that's the general location where it's will be on every single one of our stores. Uh the lumber is in on one side of the store and and the deliveries are on the other side of the store. Um I can't remember the we did we did do our due diligence uh as far as you know we did do the sound study to verify uh what what our actual noises are what what is the ambient noise in in this area that is quite high today uh due to the Costco uh and and the other operations in in the area. Um, and so we did listen to the neighborhood. We we did look at what our impacts are, and that's, you know, obviously how we came up with a 12T wall to mitigate uh our impacts. With all due difference to Home Depot and the planning that they spent two years of, I'm curious how much of that two years prior to presenting their plan to those who would be most affected by it, how much time in that two years as they were planning, did they include any of those residents in the planning process? So, so Arty, I've got a question. If if you do flip the building, let's just say, and then they the delivery is on the on the south end, is that going to impede what you're going to be building next to it? I'm assuming something's coming.

Yeah, that that would. You know, one other thing I I didn't mention is there are other like any um you know, commercial retailer, uh you know, there are other um commercial considerations, you know, for the configuration of the building, where the front door is, you know, how traffic flows all work, you know, outside of how customers get to the store and shop and leave the store. And so, again, as we studied the various um you know, iterations of the site plan, those were key elements that were also considered and um ultimately brought us to to this plan. uh today. Um and so um you know again it looks like you know hey there's so much room why can't we just move this all around? But surprisingly um you know as you as you get into it all the various you know constraints start to really come to bear and uh this was the most efficient plan observing uh you know what we what we felt we had to and and what we you know actually going above and beyond what's in the zone frankly you know with the 12T wall um as an example and and uh the wider landscape buffer um trying to ensure that uh you know the the impact is is is minimized to the greatest extent possible. Thank you for listening to the neighbors and for considering the 12t wall. But before we said we want a 12ft wall, it was going to be 8 ft. And um I have a question about the 35 foot requirement for the building. Does that apply only to the building? And how high are the things stacked in the garden center? What is the height of the things that are stacked in the garden center? And another noise concern that I have is all of the um pallet loaders that run around the

garden center and go beep beep beep beep beep all day long as well. As I've been looking at this and seeing what people have been saying on Facebook and stuff like that, some people are excited about this Home Depot coming in. Um, it doesn't make any sense to me that we would have put another Home Depot in this area since we already have a Lowe's and a the hardware store over over by Chick-fil-A. We have a bunch of the Aces. Then we have the other Home Depot that's right there, which is it's been there long enough that everybody's just figured out how to use it. So, what do we need this need this one for? But my biggest concern, well, I guess it's not a biggest concern, but a concern that I have is Woodbury has built this with the idea for 2 years that they're bringing in a Home Depot, but they built these roads that are within the property that are teeny. You can't turn an 18-wheeler full of junk on some of these tiny little roads without running over other cars in the parking lot and on the roads. You've seen the 18 wheelers try to turn from State Street onto Forest South. They're tight. So, they didn't build these roads within this community, within this area to accommodate these kind of vehicles, these kind of loads that they are saying to bring in. I think that the city should push back on Woodbury and say, "Bring in somebody smaller whose trucks are going to be smaller. Don't bring in a Home Depot. ORM doesn't need it. We can do other smaller retail since you insist on retail right here." Force them to do something else that makes a little bit more sense with the property they've already built. Otherwise, they're going to come in and go, "Oh, now we have to do all this construction so we can rebuild roads because we didn't think of that before." The infrastructure has to come first. So, can I ask you a question? The these property lines are kind of confusing to

me. Is so is this um do you own the property underneath or wouldbe are you maintaining ownership of the property? How long is your lease with Home Depot? How are you doing that? And what is this jog down here? It looks like up on the top my right corner, your right that the we have a square there, but the road is going to go there. You're not you're planning for that not to be sorry I I I missed the last part of your question. Okay. So see that yeah Jared is showing you right there up at the top that's a road. Yep. But we have a square of the property line. So help me understand these property lines.

Yeah. Um yes. So the the property lines um maybe to answer the first question. This is property that uh University Mall Shopping Center would continue to own. Uh Home Depot would be leasing on a long-term lease. um the the property lines there in that section um are really probably more a uh a result of the existing property lines of the various parcels in that area already. Um there are cross access easements. So exactly where that line goes is somewhat um arbitrary just because uh it's in common with all the other parcels that are adjacent. Um so um but that that would be the um the that that's our intent is that we would uh the the the shopping center would continue to own that property would lease it on a long-term basis to Home Depot and that there would be common uh circulation and common access for everyone within the shopping center including on the Home Depot parcel.

Okay. So that little jog down there at the bottom kind of really odd looking one that's just because of existing property lines. you're just so in in that instance, uh that would be one of the main driveways into Home Depot from the existing Park Avenue is what we call it, the the road that runs east west through the middle of the of the campus. So there's a main access to uh the Home Depot building there from that road. So with that in mind, so there's a main main entrance right there. So if you go further up into the parking lot, can you go just out of the parking lot into the rest of the property or is that sealed somehow or how does that all fit together?

Yeah. So, so, um, there will be a a a fence and there'll actually be some retaining wall. Um, again, there's some elevation change there. So, this isn't a totally flat site, which is another one of the considerations as we work through the the uh plan. So, there will be retaining wall actually on the south end of the site. Um, and along that east eastern border, there'll be retaining wall and fence. Um, and so traffic won't be flowing, you know, from that parking lot into the other uh parking areas. where the red arrows are is really where the traffic will be flowing. We are working continue to work with Home Depot. There may be one final third access point um along that east border of of their property line. Uh but essentially all the traffic would be flowing in through those uh through those entry points. Um

okay. So it's it's actually segregated off just like off of another street. So can you go back to that previous closer up of the property right there? So, with that in mind, so is this fence um on the east side, is that going to have those parking lots all or those parking spaces all buted up next to that fence? Is that what you're talking about?

So, that's right. So, the parking spaces inside the Home Depot parking lot are buted up against that uh either retaining wall or fence. Um and then the what's labeled block F uh to the east of that will be future development area where more redevelopment would occur. And if you, you know, to this question about just shifting the whole thing 20 ft or something just to get it further away from the neighborhood, what what precludes that from happening?

Well, again, it's it's um efficiency uh use of the site relative to um you know, again, the uh what's allowed in the zone. Um and so so essentially uh what we're hoping to do is to be able to more efficiently also continue to develop block F. We we try to create as as large a buffer as possible um you know from that western uh border given the the existing constraints um and um and so the hope is to uh you know to to develop you know to the east as well.

Okay. So I have a question and this would be like a Ryan question. Um, what are you? What are you? PD34. What are they? 34. Um, for some reason I'm remembering that PD34 um has a 20 foot setback all the way around. Does that it it does. which would mean that is there um so the wall by the home doesn't meet that then I don't know

depend can you say that again I'm not I'm not sure I'm understanding there's a 20ft setback so show me where so the building setback that's required would be 20 ft no matter what. So I thought it was from residential there's there are limit there are further limitations when you're adjacent to residential the 20ft setback is standard throughout PD34 from what I'm reading but then there are other limitations for like the building can't be taller than 35 ft if it's within a certain distance of residential zoning. Um, but the So the 20 foot setback, do you mean a 20? Do you mean a buffer or buffer? The building I'm sorry, a buffer only

the required buffer is only 8 ft. They've put a 20 foot one in in most of this area. And that's because of this side, the standard zoning side setbacks, but I thought the PD34, no, that's had a buffer, a 20 foot buffer. The PD34's landscape required landscape buffer is 8 ft. So they've done more than that in most cases on this site that they've that they're preparing. Okay, Jared, I think you showed some of those buffers and setbacks towards the beginning of your presentation.

See if I can get back to that. Well, while we're doing this, can we We just never answer the question about the everything coming out of the garden center, how high that goes. Yeah, I believe the garden center racks are 12 feet tall and so they would they would put stuff on 12t tall racks that could be as tall as 16 feet, but that that would be below the 35 foot. It'll be below the 35 talked about, right? Correct. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead.

Thank you. So, I think the one thing that that bears maybe a little clarification is that this minimum 20 foot setback from the west boundary, that's a building setback. So, um if if it were a building that were 20 ft tall or something, they could put that building 20 ft from the property line. That's that's what the PD34 zone would require. 20 ft for a building setback. The landscape buffer is different than the setback. Not all of the setback has to be landscaped. So they've got an 8ft requirement. Nothing can be less than 8t of landscaping on their side of the wall, their side of the property line, but they in some cases here they've got more than that. Got 20 ft and 20 ft of landscape buffer in some cases, but that's not required. Um the buffer only has to be 8 ft.

Okay. The building at its closest point to the property line is 43 ft. And Jared, sorry to keep making you go back and forth. Maybe you could show that point that's the closest point of the building to the residential Sure. lock to that that Kathy just referenced there. Well, that shows it as well as Yeah,

this one probably shows this probably shows it best. So, the the point at which it's closest is is the Olsson's house right here. So they the Olsson's house is 10 ft from the property line. The property line's where the 12ft wall would go. Then there's the 8t of landscape buffer. Then there's the set back to the building which is is that another 30 something feet. I I I increased this the text or the font size so that you could see Oh, here you

So the garden center is 85 ft away from the property line. The landscape upper at the Olsson's is um oh sorry um is not quite 10 ft. The building is 43 feet away. And then when it jogs back out again, the building is 77 feet away with a 24 foot buffer. So Kathy, is the that 43 feet is that 43 ft from the building to the property line to the property line. So then it'd be 53 ft from the house with a 12t fence in between. And then what is the height of the building right there? 30 24 ft.

24T. So technically, according to the PD34 setback, they could put the building as close as 24 ft from the property line. That's correct. Has to be a one to one:1 ratio.

Uh yeah, I I'm not sure not sure about that. It might only be the 20 the 1:1 ratios in our C2 zoning and stuff, but it might override. I'm not I'd have to be careful about that, but at least 20, maybe 24. It's not one to one because we've got on the south side where we've got the big residential stuff. There's a 20 foot and that's it. Right. Again, like we were talking about earlier with other projects tonight, the PD zones are their own animal. And then if it's not if it's not specifically called out, then it'll revert to some other zoning that's referenced. But if it's specifically called out, it's usually just that requirement. So, it would probably be the 20 if I were guessing tonight without check. So just to verify it, the the setbacks in the PD34 zone are specified in appendix BB to our city code. And in that area that this area that we're talking about, it does specifically call out a 20ft building setback and a 35- ft maximum height. So it's not a one one there. They could put a 35 ft building potentially with a 20ft setback there in that area. So even though there's not that requirement though, we're talking about a 24 foot tall building 43 feet away from the edge of the property line.

That's right. Okay. That's what they're proposing. I just have two follow-up questions. Can you put the the slide back up with the key? Yeah, the key. Yeah, the one that we had just a moment ago. Let me see. It shows the layout of the full building with see just that

that one. Okay. So, if you'll see on the southwest side of the building, it says there's a lumber pad that covers the full extent of the parking spaces plus the drive. is where is am I if I'm understanding correctly semi-truck deliveries will be heading west and then turning north along that way. How does that work with a lumber pad there? And also um what are time frames for groundbreaking and building to completion? Yeah. So the lumber pad um I mean it that's not actually a pad. It's just kind of the area where we would expect the um

Yeah. So So the truck route is correct. We would we would head north. The lumber truck that is the lumber area. It lines up with the cross way. That's where all Home Depot stores all their lumber on that side of the building. The lumber truck would stop there. There is no backing up of the lumber truck like the other one. There is forklifts. Uh so you would have the beeping uh but that that is set back further uh than than than the beeping of the uh and the braking associated with the other dock. And so the the noise impact is is the most at at the northern end of the property. the lumb the lumber pad there is some impact but it's it's quite significantly less uh in that area because there is no backing up of the truck

or like a flatbed truck will sit there and and that's that the difference between No, there's a a a double door that that they actually bring the lumber in that door. Uh it's a wider door and so that's you know that's done during so so they just pull up there drop off their lumber into the into the store correct

and then continue correct north. So there's no backing up and like the other the other dock there's a physical backup of the of the delivery truck that has the braking and and the and the beeping. This truck is a flatbed truck. pulls up, stops, gets unloaded and and goes also the timing

permitting and everything else, you know, dependent. Uh we would like to start construction uh as soon as weather breaks, April. Uh we do anticipate a little bit longer construction period associated with this project. there is uh numerous utilities that need to get relocated. Uh and so we're spec uh anticipating, you know, 3 or 4 months uh just for utility relocations associated with the project. Um we would open in in late 27. It it be it'd probably be 12 to 15 months of construction with the first part just being some utility relocations.

Buy your materials from the whole depot comment.

I'm sorry to keep interrupting this. This is not making sense to me. So the gentleman from the mall indicated they've been working in two two years on the best plan and this is what they've come up with. I want to tell you right now on record, they have been working on isolation. They have not worked with the residents. We had a meeting. I thought it was just several months ago. I've been here actually 3 years and it's probably a couple years ago when they actually we had our first meeting. We talked about the possibility of flipping that loading dock on the south end and then we heard nothing else. So, they have been working for two years. I appreciate that. But they have been working in isolation without any input from the from the uh neighborhood. The other word I've heard a couple of times from the mall representative is efficiency. It's the most efficient and and I would suggest that that's most efficient for them. It's not efficient. It doesn't have efficient. I don't care about efficiency. I care about my neighborhood and my neighbors and the privacy and noise abatement and that type of thing. So efficient doesn't mean, you know, he can use that word all he wants, but it doesn't mean anything to me. Um what we're talking about is is actually working with the neighbors to try and have a solution. And I don't understand why in the world. And once again, Home Depot said, you walk into Home Depot and everything's in its place. The garden center's here. This the loading dock. When I walk into Home Depot, I don't care where the loading docket is. Doesn't matter to me. I walk in, I don't even pay attention where the loading dock is. So, as far as I'm concerned, I can walk into this Home Depot and go and they can have the layout like they have and and it can be like every other Home Depot. I really don't give a dly damn about where the the loading dock is. If they want to relocate it somewhere, that's fine. And in fact, I don't understand why they can't relocate it down where the little notch is or something else. There's got to be some creativity here. And the mall is not telling us everything about their plans. They talk about, oh, it's the most efficient. Bottom line is it's efficient for them because it has to do with their future plans. We have no idea what those plans are. But I'm not convinced as one of the neighbors and the residents that this is the most efficient for us. It's not it's

not the best solution for us. I don't understand why they don't have to have any traffic at all going on that along that wall, why they can't do everything down on the south end or in the front end. And and it's got to do with some plans the mall's being very secretive about. They're not talking about. I'd like to see those plans because I don't believe that this is the best solution particularly for the neighbors. It might be most efficient for them, but if they're going to allow Home Depot to come in here, let's have some creative solutions. They got to spend a little more money. So what? Let's uh let's have a solution that works for the neighbors. I would like to take just a moment to remind you what a P D34 zone is. They can build basically anything they want on that piece of land. There's no guarantee that there will even be a Home Depot go in. But if there isn't, they could build anything they want on that lot. I think it's inappropriate to zone it before we know what they're going to do. And I'd like to remind you or ask you I guess

as you determine how you're going to vote, are you looking out for the citizens of Orum or are you looking out or the mall. We have any any other comments, questions? Well, this isn't really my business because I don't live over there, but anytime I hear about um a house being torn down for something like this, like or street expansion or whatever, it kind of makes me wse from paying for those o owners. Um so, I was just kind of curious. There's that one guy who was talking about reszoning it and he's like, I want to reszone this block that includes that house. Sounds like you're gonna have to eminent domain it. But then is this lady talking about that that house was already bought by Woodberry and the guy over here is talking about all this efficiency. I'm not sure why they can't survive without that house. But if there's any way to reverse that, it might be nice. You know, if there's any way to not zone that there and not eminent domain it, not tear it down or whatever, it might be nice. So, you know, just my two cents on that. Okay. Um, yeah, let's let's go ahead and close the public hearing and bring it back to the council as far as

just you guys can go wherever you want, but um, so just to clarify, can you go to that? Well, maybe you can see it on this map. Anyway, Bren, you were saying there's a 24 ft setback and there's 43 ft between between the building and the nearest property. Oh, you got it right here. You see 24 foot height of the building. Okay. 43 foot.3 set back from the edge of the property. Is that That's the nearest one. So 4. Yes, that's the nearest one. And then where on that map is that house that's 10 ft away?

Right here. This is the Olsson's home. So that house sits in there and it's 10 ft from that wall. Yes. Cuz it's a sideyard. And then that purple is where that 12T wall would be.

Okay. from and I'd like to hear from the property owners from the ones with the 10 foot that are 10 foot away from your perspective. I mean, you said you'd be very glad for a 12t fence. Is there anything else that would make you okay with this situation? If you think about it, would you like a 12t wall 10 ft away from your house? It's not the most ideal. And this also pertains to the other neighbor.

And so so I'm sorry. So that that's kind of my question. You two are the closest ones to that. What would be a solution that would work for It would be helpful to the neighbors if the pink line went straight north instead of jogging over against their property line. Can you see what I'm saying? I I do.

They can't do that for us, but it would Well, they could do it for us if they would, but And the Millers are in the same situation we are in the fact that the way it's currently drawn, the wall goes 10 ft from their bedroom window as well, just like ours. So, you're kind of advocating more for the Millers. Yes, they they wanted to be here tonight. I got a text message from brother Miller tonight, but uh they're not able to be here. So So if that wall went straight, would that that's

that would be such a generous gesture from the mall and from the city, from everybody from Home Depot, everybody. That would just be wonderful to give them just those few feet, make the straight wall. Yeah. There was one proposal at a time when we thought maybe there was a proposal for a small city park there and we voted against that.

Well, and we thought at one time there would be a turnaround that went into that property, a traffic because right now there is a turnaround at the end of the street that goes to the south of our property. And so we thought when they w when it was all said and done and they bought this house that there would be a traffic turnaround there um instead of the the the wall being right there so close which would be nice because it would leave us a little more openness across the street from our place as well.

So So you because if they move that wall that would give you more of a turnaround spot on your side. What is what you're saying? If I'm understanding right, we don't need to turn in one, but they're they're trying to straighten out the property line and we're in the way. One day, Mr. Callus told me, he says, "We just need half of your house." So, so to summarize, so if that and I don't know if it's even possible, but I'm just saying from your perspective that that would make this a more positive situation.

It would be helpful. Yes. It wouldn't help our bedroom window being 10 ft from the loading dock, but it would help us not feeling so boxed in, and it would definitely help the neighbors. Yeah, it would. It would help them more than it helps us. And it would be such a great gesture, just a totally great gesture to see that uh straight up. Straight up. Yeah. I don't know how many feet that is. 20 feet or 30 feet. I don't know what it is, but it would be a wonderful gesture because uh the millers are just crammed right up against that uh proposed wall line. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. And and that that's kind of my perspective is if I mean I I personally think that Home Depot would be a great addition there at the mall. I asked the same question of you know there's Lowe's already. Uh there's other Home Depots already. Why would they put it here? But I know a company like Home Depot does extensive market research to figure out where they're going to have the best chance to succeed. They're not going to spend, you know, the I don't know how many millions of dollars to do this unless they do a ton of research to see if it's going to work. So, I'm I'm not really doubting the project. I think it would be a a benefit to ORM if they figured out that it will work, but I would like to infringe on the neighborhood as little as possible. Um, and and that's a permanent been a permanent problem as far as, you know, the mall wants to expand, the neighborhood wants to be protected. So that's why I asked that question. Is is that something that would be something the mall could do?

Would you go to that other map, Jared, with the houses on there? Yeah, Arty, come on up.

Um, so, uh, you know what I might suggest? I think the the difficulty is just you know how do we maintain the land on the west side of the wall. So if I guess the ownership of the land might be uh you know what we would need to figure out uh if we were to entertain something like that. Um you know once we put the wall up it's obviously very we won't have access to that land. Um and so I think that that could that could be a potential issue. I mean one thing I could suggest is it is a 20ft landscape buffer um that we're showing there in that area. I mean, we could potentially um, you know, move the wall further to the east um, you know, so that it's maybe a 10 foot uh, you know, landscape buffer on our side of the wall. Still leaves the issue of what do we do with that that additional 10 ft that we no longer can we have we no longer have access to and can maintain. Um, we can do something like that. I mean I you know um so um perhaps that's something we could explore and and and if if the concern is you know the walls too close to the to the house I mean I guess the question is how how much further does it need to go? I believe that that area there is approximately 40 ft. Uh if you take the 20ft landscape buffer and then the parking stall is approximately 20 feet. Um so that's that's what we're talking about is 40T of of of buffer. Um and and so um perhaps uh a workable solution would be to to move that section of the wall further east into that landscape buffer to pro provide more room uh between the house uh and still provide the the

Yeah, I'd like to see the landscape buffer be on the side of the residence and move the wall to the other to the front of the parking stalls. Um of course I understand your maintenance issues.

Mhm. Um but yeah, it um we see that with Target, the back side of Target over here on Center Street. That's a beautiful landscape buffer that's on the neighborhood side. Um and we don't hear any complaints about that. So, I understand the the um you know what you would have to change and things you would have to do to maintain those landscape buffers, but I just feel like that would give a little more breathing room. H how wide is that green um next to the Olsson's Jared? The landscape? It's eight next to the the green space next to Olson's is eight. Then if you moved it to the other side of that 8 ft, they'd have an 18 ft Yeah. buffer.

And and and you're saying and we so we don't have to landscape. You can still maintain ownership of the property, you know. Um but I'm that that's just a solution I'm putting forward here. Mhm. Mayor, can I can I jump on board with what they're discussing? Steve and I were over here conversing. Yeah. Along with that, next to the home to the south.

Right now, there's a landscape strip. If that wall were to move behind the curb, that would give another 9 ft to that home, giving them 19 ft from the house to the wall. And one way so that Woodbury maintains that and we've done this in Oram on some of our property is we've granted a landscape easement to people to landscape city property. And so Woodbury could possibly do a landscape easement with the neighbors. So they retain ownership of it, but then the neighbor could landscape it, enjoy that benefit for the time being until who knows what happens down the road in the future. Um, one moment. Sorry. Just Okay, we're going to let there's different conversations going on here. We're just going to take a five minute bio break and we'll come right back.

Thank you. That's the That's the road. The building goes like this and it knocks us down. That little

Yeah, that's the road. Yeah. Are you Is that the building itself? No, the building. So, okay. The cars are going to come along the west side from your only access. So I guess my point is

all talked about efficiency and it's their efficiency but it's got little to do with trying to figure out where else it's not my job to create they need to figure out my problems is That's all there's actually. I don't care what they do. I don't know. I don't have a solution in terms of building the layout.

Yeah, it could turn into a lot of

I agree with you. But I think two traffic pattern and so basically what they're going to do is actually have their plans in terms of traffic that so what they've done is most need to figure out where else and you might spend a little money on the ground dig. fans and stuff get blown in there. Okay, let's reconvene this meeting, please.

Right. For sure.

Well, that's the thing. Enjoy. very hopeful reason here. I like Vietnam. Yeah,

we ready to go back. Okay, go ahead. Thanks Mario. Um so uh the the solution that we had discussed um would uh would potentially be so right now there the the landscape median or or I should say the the distance between the property line of the home and the curb is 9.3 ft uh there. Um and I'm so sorry um Mr. Wilson is I'm so sorry. Okay. Um M Mr. Olsson's uh property there. So we have 9.3 ft and um what we had suggested is is that you know if the landscape requirement on our side of the property rather than all of that be on our side of the property instead some of that could be on the other side of the the wall. We could move the wall um 7.3 ft. So, we'd still have two feet um of margin between our dry vial and the wall, but it would move the wall 7 feet further away from um uh the Olsson's home. And we do the same thing um further north. Uh we'd move it 7.3 ft um and uh you know reduce the landscape buffer on on the east side of the wall uh but increase the distance away from the home uh equally with what what the Olsson's uh would receive. And and the thing where where this gets a little bit complicated and I don't know that we need to get in all all of this detail, but um we couldn't continue to retain ownership um and lease that that land to Home Depot. That wouldn't work from an insurance perspective, the maintenance issues that we discussed. And so likely what we'd need to do in order to be able to accomplish that would be a conveyance of the land um to uh those property owners uh but with deed restrictions that would only allow for landscaping um and with an option to

repurchase the property in the future to the extent that it were needed. But otherwise, um, we'd have to, um, legally subdivide, uh, or, you know, move that parcel in line, I should say, and create the conveyance, um, in order to avoid, uh, those insurance, uh, issues in particular for Home Depot. Why why would you, Arty, why why would you need an option to repurchase it? Well, we paid for it. Um, I suppose uh that that was the since we own it now that the the thought was is that, you know, we could we could buy it back later if we needed it. I don't know that we ever would. I think it would just be, you know, uh, I just don't see a scenario where unless you're building little teeny huts.

I I don't see No, and I agree. I I don't see a scenario either. Um I I suppose um uh it's hard to imagine what it would be, but I I think it's really just a question of ensuring that um uh Oh, you know that. So, so Arty, you're you're going to convey that for free to the neighbors, right? And then if you wanted, then you'd buy it back, right? Okay. Um and I I think it would be buy it back for $10, you know, or something like that. Okay. So that would be in your but the idea is we give it for free first right of refusal and you'd buy it back for 10 bucks if you gave it to them for free. Right. Right. That would be the idea. Can I ask a question on that?

Assuming that they would be willing to sell. So, so, so in other words, so, okay, Jeff,

so they, so they would have the opport you would have the opportunity to buy that back, but only if they were willing to sell it. So, in other words, you wouldn't just go and take it over, you would it would be a kind of a friendly agreement that if at some point they decided they wanted to sell it or if you felt like you needed it, then you would approach them and say, "Hey, we're thinking about this. Is this something you would be interested in?" Is that kind of the flavor, the direction that you're thinking? Um uh right. I mean I think the the the thought process was um if we were if we were giving it away for free um if for some reason 100 years from now, you know, I don't know what it would be, you know, that we needed the 6 ft of land there for whatever reason it was. We would have an ability to

you would have first right of refusal, right, to buy it to buy it back. But I think it would be it should be an option to buy back, but they have to be willing to sell. Okay. Cuz you we're giving that to them. That's first right of refusal, right? That's and that's different. Yeah. That and that's different. So anyway, to me that would just be a good faith thing. I mean, who cares what happens 100 years? I know you guys do because University Mall will still be there. But uh anyway, to me it would be an act of good faith just to here's the land. I mean, I just can't imagine what you would do right in that spot behind Home Depot. You you boxed yourself out with Home Depot.

You're exactly right. Um, I really think again, it it would really just be a scenario that I we couldn't contemplate now. Um, I think the most important thing is that it would remain landscaping, you know, to kind of honor the uh the idea that it would be landscaping. Um, that there would be restrictions there. Yeah. Um and um you know I think we would be amendable to whatever the option was you know to to be able to to acquire back you know I think we could figure that out.

Yeah. I I just think in in terms of like um you know just them being able to landscape up to a wall and a 12ft wall is all the better. Uh because that's essentially what we have over on target on that side. That's what they have over on Tim View Hospital on that side. They've got land you know kind of Mhm. that's open like that and it it works. You can kind of put a commercial something pretty darn close to neighborhood by that's a pretty solid buffer. So anyway, that's my thought. Okay. So, any other thoughts? You're you're you're fine with that with with moving the wall or sorry, yeah,

giving them 7.3 ft and moving your wall to make everybody happy. Yes. And and like I said, I um maybe Dan if you just want to speak. Operationally, um confirm that you know that that should work for Home Depot. Yeah, operationally it pretty much stays the same. You know, the landscape buffer is just shifting from one side to the other. I still can operationally bring the trucks in the same way. The the the fire truck, I think, is the the critical thing on the 26 ft that still stays the same. And so, uh, there's no operational issues associated with moving the landscape buffer from one side of the wall to the other.

Go ahead and let uh, gentlemen speak. Thank you. I appreciate the concession. I think that's very generous and I think that's workable. And just that extra 7 ft, it would just make things feel a little more open. It may not seem like very much, but I think it's a very fine gesture and we'd be willing to and and be grateful to have that little extra buffer because I figure this the project's going to go through sooner or later and we're just trying to negotiate for kind of the best terms possible and I think that's a really fine gesture. Thank you very much.

So Arty, you're you're still planning on doing the 12oot jog behind their house. 12 foot fence. Yes. So I think it's 12T ft. That's right. So So it's um mislabeled here. The the orange section that's running east west at the right. That's 12 That's going to be 12t. That's right. Instead of 8 ft. That's right. And then all the purple is going to be 12 ft. That's right. Okay. Yeah. And then you're And then you're just moving the landscaping on the other side to open it up more. That's right. Nicer. That's right.

Yeah. And like I say, my position on this whole thing is I personally like the idea of Home Depot. I think it would be a real asset to ORM and to to Woodbury. I think it'd be an asset to Orum because I think the sales and tax revenue would be significant. Um and so that's that's positive for running our city and keeping our taxes low. Uh but at the same time, I'm sensitive to I I've sworn an oath to protect the neighborhoods and I'll do everything I can to protect our neighborhoods and and do what's best for them. So anyway, that's my position.

Yeah, I I think too on the um Home Depot, all the people in Provo, Northern Provo are going to come and that's probably what you're banking on cuz because the other Home Depot's way south just like their freeway exits, which they're whacked, but that's another story. I I have a question if I could ask.

Yeah, go ahead, Chen. Um, at first I agree with everything Dave Young said, so I appreciate those comments. Um, second, maybe this is a question for Steve and I'm not even entirely sure what my question is, but but I guess at this point, what exactly are we voting on? Are we still voting on just changing the zoning for that PD34? Are we are we waiting until we get something more solid nailed down in writing? Like what what happens now?

Yeah, I think right now uh you're just voting on whether to reszone this one parcel of property. And then, you know, I'm kind of thinking this through as well. I think what we'll probably do is when we get to the item uh in the RDA for amending the participation agreement, then probably that's where we'll try and work these things into the amendment to the participation agreement. Yep. Thank you.

Okay. So, this is just a comment. Um and it's kind of to you Arty because I remember the first time I met you probably about four years ago. We toured your office building while it was under construction and I remember standing on the edge there. You we'd done the tour. people were, you know, mingling and we were standing on the edge there and you were new taking over here in Norm and we talked about this neighborhood and we talked about R8 zoning and things that were zoned R8 and maintaining that um situation to where we're not constantly gobbling up the neighborhood. And I remember your specifically saying to me, well, we need to be cognizant of that. We need to recog respect that. I don't remember your exact words, but that's the feeling that I came away with. And I have appreciated seeing that this last four years. Um, I'm a little familiar. I spoke with the people who lived in that house that's you recently purchased this air this one lot that we're looking at um zoning to R8 um my and I understand they um were very willing sellers compared to some actions that had been taken in the past to areas in that area and homes in that area. Um, so I'm just kind of wanting to reconfirm that conversation that we had that Woodbury is still uh I understand this, you know, to me it possibly an exception here. We're we're not we're there's a specific purpose. Um, but I feel that I would like to maybe have that piece be given to this neighborhood to where um that understanding and that commitment is still there. That there will no

longer be this um active solicitation for home sales towards widows and you know older residents. Um, so I don't know. Will you speak to that for me, Arty?

Yes. Uh, thank you, uh, Councilwoman, uh, Millet. We, so what I would say is I I think that this project, uh, shows that, you know, we're trying to create that boundary. Um, you know, like like you had suggested, uh, Mayor Young, that, you know, we're we're we're turning our back here to that property line. I don't know what the scenario is wherever, you know, this this six feet could come into play in the future. Um we believe that uh what we need to do is be good neighbors to this neighborhood. We've we've tried to do that and we're trying to do that um you know with this project. Uh we're trying to create um a a built environment um next door that hopefully will increase property values, will make this neighborhood more desirable uh to live in. Um that will uh provide an amenity to this neighborhood and the rest of the city. Um and um and so we're very focused on that. So, um, really all of this property line from from Costco all the way down to where now where Home Depot will be. Um, it's very established. Uh, there will be long-term leases in place that will not allow for any further development, you know, west of there. Um, you know, what's remaining, uh, being totally candid, uh, are the is our our property line further to the west? Um, you know, looking north, uh, there as well. We're very cognizant um of the neighborhood and um to the extent that we would be proposing anything there uh it would be to again hopefully improve the condition of what uh the university place development you know objectives have been. Um we do not at this time anticipate any further home acquisitions in that area um um beyond uh you know the the contracts that are in place or the homes that have been acquired. Um and um again, we're we're trying to be good neighbors. We're trying to honor the setbacks. You know, in this case, like was discussed, you know, it's a

shorter building, further away from the property line. Um we are um we're going to be here for a long time and so we're our goal is to to try and be uh good members of the community. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? Yeah, I think we've already

I appreciate him trying to be a good neighbor. Once again, everything they've done the last two years has been in isolation. Good neighbors talk to each other on a regular basis. We made some suggestions a couple of years ago about how they might rearrange that store and put a loading dock somewhere else. It's not only impacting those two homes that are 10 ft from the wall, but also there's five or six homes along that whole thing, and every time the trucks rumble rumble by in the morning, it's going to be she's going to rattle their windows. I don't understand why in the world they haven't talked to us number one in the last two years and number two why can't they can't reconfigure that put the loading dock somewhere else I'm still I appreciate the solutions that have been offered tonight I appreciate the fact that they you know there's been compromises but but frankly I don't think it's an optimal solution and they're not being good neighbors because they're not talking to us and I I would think that we would need at least a couple more meetings and then we're going to have to talk about to the traffic flow people looking to get into the home table like they currently are looking to get in Costco. There's a lot of traffic. We're have to negotiate that with the city as well because they're going to have to be speed bumps or cameras or something put into that neighborhood because people, I guarantee you, will be trying to find the Home Depot and they're going to come in and I'll stop them. They go 35 miles an hour. I'll stop them. They'll say, "What are you looking for?" Oh, the Home Depot, you can't get in from. So, so there's some traffic mitigation that has to happen as well. So, I think we need more talks. I think we need more time. I think we need to sit down with the the Woodley and the mall and Home Depot need to sit down with the neighbors in the next week or two and and talk to us about other options for that loading dock. Thank you. I'm Ela Chrisman. We live against the wall. I'm just going to say that when they put that wall in, there's 5 ft between that wall and our fence. And they said we could take down our fence and use that land. But then they started listing all of the things. I was responsible for anything that happened

on that land. Anything that if there was anything on the electricity, anything that was going down that they made it. Now, they do come and clean it about twice a year, pull some weeds. We chose to keep our fence up. Some of the neighbors chose to take theirs down and just use that five foot bumper. So that's how that was our response. That was our what happened to us when we had that 5 ft. And I want to know if if there is too much noise behind Home Depot. Do we have any recourse to say anything if that because that that the trucks will be going right there by that loading dock behind our house. Okay, let's go ahead and I think we already brought it back to council, but let's go ahead and keep at the council. Um, and see where you guys want to go with this. And and keep in mind what we're talking about is we're not talking about everything. We're talking about this single property and dealing with this property in this context. Um, and then from here there will be further conversations on some of these other issues that we're talking about as far as traffic and all the rest. Um, and that would be the time to probably engage more with the mall and the the neighborhood and have some really good communication. So anyway, would you like to go you up? Do you guys want to say anything? Tom, Jen, Jeff? just that I think that it's been some good discussions tonight and I really appreciate the compromises on all sides of this. I know it's a tricky issue. So, thank you.

I say amen to what Jen said, I've I've appreciated the push the push back and forth and the concessions made and like you said, mayor, I think it's and ultimately it's good for the city. So, um and trying to work out how we can make it still good for the neighbors is the what we're trying to do here. So, no other comments than that. And I would just add it's already been a long night, so I'm not going to go on, but I I agree with the compromise. I appreciate the conversations uh and uh yeah, I I think uh you know, we appreciate Woodbury and the mall and all that it brings to the city of ORM and uh and and still, you know, wanting to be cognizant of the neighbors and their concerns. And I feel like this has been a great discussion and and I feel like we've come to a good compromise.

Thank you. Any comments from anyone up here? I just concur rather than take any more time. Okay. All right. Um, so that takes us to a motion and the motion would need some work. As far as Steve, where would you go with the motion from here?

Yeah, like I was uh saying in response to uh Council Member Gail's question, I think right now the only question you probably need to decide is whether to vote for or against the proposed reszone to PD34. And then when we get to the uh item in the RDA to amend the participation agreement, that's where we can address you know uh adding the additional wall height uh conveying the you know the six or 7 ft whatever that is of the current landscape buffer to the adjoining properties and we'll put those provisions in the participation agreement amendment. So Steve, you're talking 15.1 in the RDA.

Yes. So, it's just you vote on it and then it comes to RDA and that's where you get all the specifics. Yes.

Okay. So, it would be just a motion for that. So, I guess I'm a little confused how we're separating that and guaranteeing that that's going to happen on the other side of this.

It's done that way. Okay. If if we didn't have the RDA situation, then we wouldn't we would need to do something at this stage. I think you know maybe some sort of a development agreement or something like that. And you can still we could still do go that route. We could do a separate development agreement to do the things we've talked about. But I think we could address that in the participation agreement amendment. So, and if you if you remember, um we did an amendment to our participation agreement about March of uh 2024. And so, they have to do certain things in order to qualify for uh some of the uh tax increment. And so, their ability to get those meet those milestones and get the tax increment that I think they're highly motivated to get are tied to them complying to what's in the participation agreement. So, I think that's probably pretty good security for us to make sure that they do these things. Otherwise, it's going to ruin the whole uh RDA form. So,

okay. So, so that sounds like good security. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, would somebody like to make a motion? I'm happy to make that, mayor. Okay. I I move to approve by ordinance the reszone of for 575 East 1000 South from R8 to PD 38 for the Home Depot. I'll second that. It's 34. 34. 34. Did I say something else? I'm sorry. 34. Thank you for the correction, Chris. Second, we ready to vote? Let's go ahead and vote. I I

I I I I think Did we get everybody? Okay, it passes and we'll move forward with these compromises. No, David, I haven't voted. Oh, I thought you did. No,

I did. I said I Wow, this is a tough one because frankly I really don't like reszoning residential um in this PD zone. So, just as a I support the um concessions that were made, but on principle, I'm going to have to vote nay in this particular situation with hopes that we can um maintain the uh you know, ability to not have any more of these reszones come before us for this particular neighborhood. So, my vote is nay. Um, I think it's a good compromise. Um, and I vote uh I Okay, so the resolution passes or the Yeah, the ordinance passes. Okay, let's move on to the next one. We're up to item 10.5. Got a public hearing ordinance. This should be a lot quicker. Jared, I hope. Jared, general plan update. Water preservation elements.

Uh, what could I what could I tell you that you don't already know about this element? You guys have discussed this a few times. We know everything about you know it better than I do at this point.

Um, yeah, this is this is a general plan amendment, so it's slightly different um agenda wise than the other the other items, but it does require the public hearing. It adds chapter 9, the water conservation element that we're required to have by the end of the year, which is rapidly approaching uh by the uh by Senate Bill 110. Um it does those things that are listed on the screen um by ordinance, and uh most of those things are already part of our uh water plans that the city has anyway. So, we've reiterated them to be added to our general plan. Anything else I can tell you?

Any questions? Okay, no questions. We'll move this. We'll open this up for a public hearing if anyone has any comments or questions. Okay, we'll close the public hearing and we'll take this to a vote. I'll make a motion. Oh, or do you want to take? Yeah, I'll just do it. I move to approve the general plan update water and preservation elements. Second. I I go ahead. I I

I I I Okay, the ordinance passes. Thank you, Jared. That was record time on that one.

Thank you very much, guys. Okay, last up, uh, we've got, uh, financial information. That's just for reference. And we'll move to item number 12, our city manager information items. I'll just add my gratitude uh to uh, mayor and council at this time, in particular with outgoing mayor and council members Dave Spencer and Tom McDonald. Just want to add my thank you to uh I never take for granted that um you you as an elected body and the public take a risk on me as city manager and us as staff and you have to believe in us that we will execute the the vision and the um direction that that you give us. So just in all humility but publicly as well, thank you so much. That's all. Thank you, Bren. All right, let's go ahead and adjourn this meeting. Someone would like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting. We're going to adjourn it, but then we'll go to or the ORM redevelopment agency.

Mayor, I I'm You ready for me? Yep. I move that we adjourn the meeting of the uh of of our city council meeting to the ORM Redevelopment Agency. I second. Oh, I I I I I I I

Okay, thank you. Okay, that takes us to item 15. Hang on a second. 14 takes us to item 14.1, approval. And that's a consent item, approval of the RDA meeting minutes from June 10th of 2025. Would someone like to make a motion on that? I move for approval, Mr. Mayor. I second. Second. I I I I I I I

Okay, the consent items are approved. Thank you. Go to item 15, RDA scheduled items. The last item on our agenda, double agenda. We have item 15.1, a resolution approving a third amendment to the participation agreement with University Shopping Center LC. Ryan Clark. Thank you, Mayor, Mayor, and Council. I'll try to keep this short. This is kind of a formality now due to the reszone and what I've prepared has changed quite a bit. you're going to see. But to give a little bit of background, in April of 2015, the city entered into, actually, let me correct that, the redevelopment agency entered into a CDA participation agreement with the Woodbury Corporation for the University Place Project. And in March of 2021, we came back and amended that agreement to extend it out for an additional two years due to CO. March of 2024, we did a second amendment which is when we established a location for a large big box retailer and the building was facing to the south. We now know that that retail store is Home Depot. So today we're here to do a third amendment which basically changes and corrects the second amendment and updates it to the new orientation of the building. So on the left is language from the second amendment and on the right is language from the third amendment. The two red boxes are the two bullet points under section 5.2.1.2.2.1.2. If you're lost, I understand. Attorneys wrote this. No offense to our city attorney. So um the first upper box specifies what those setbacks are that are in exhibit D, which we will view in a minute. And the lower box specifies the landscape buffer that was to be along the western border uh adjacent to the neighbors. To

the right is the new language that was to replace that, but that language is now changed as of our zoning discussion. So, we will be updating some of this language and Steve's going to help me with that tonight. So, we can do that. On the left is the exhibit from the Second Amendment. Um, apologize for the grain graininess of this, but it's what was scanned into the agreement program and it's the only example I have. But you can see up above on the left, the store is oriented in a different location than what you see on the right. So, we would be updating exhibit D and the bullet points to reflect the picture on the right. I do have a blowup of that um that I'll switch over to now where we can see it a lot better. And as you can tell, we've kind of beat this dead horse tonight and gone over this many times. So, we would need to change this exhibit to reflect the 12T wall to reflect the landscaping buffer changing to reflect the land being deed to the two homes. But most of this exhibit will remain the same. And so the motion that we've prepared for you tonight will need to change to reflect the things that have been discussed in the reszone. So this motion no longer is necessarily applicable. It'll have some additions to it. Will Steve will help us with favor of moving forward. But to go back again, we are just changing two bullet points in the agreement. They're on the right versus the left. the setbacks, the landscaping and how the building is oriented and updating exhibit D from the image on the left to the image on the right. And now we will be adding the additional things we've talked about tonight. Are there any other questions I can answer?

So, okay. So, you're going to be adding these things we talked about tonight. This is what you were talking about earlier, correct? This is how we'll memorial memorialize what we what was tonight. approve this or do we continue it to put in all the changes you're talking about?

I believe I will let Steve answer that. So, mayor, what I would suggest if you're if you're okay with everything that's been discussed and you're willing to approve it on those terms, I would suggest that you make a motion to approve the third amendment to the participation agreement with the subject to the um the uh amendment and the exhibit being modified to reflect those points that we've discussed, namely that 12T wall being installed. uh the uh the areas of the landscape uh current landscaped area that will be conveyed to the two adjoining neighbors I believe it is and um was there anything else? I think that was it. Um and that then u authorized the chair of the RDA board which is you mayor Young uh to sign that agreement once those amendments have been uh reflected and updated in the document. So,

are we also did the first refusal? What's that? What if I'm gone by the time you get this done? What are you going to We're going to get it done before. Okay. No, we put If it's not you, then the new mayor will be the chair and then that the the new chair will be able to sign it, but they wouldn't have agreed to it anyway. Just get it done. Are we putting in the That's That's our intent is to get it done.

Are we putting the first right of refusal in there for them? Um, I guess maybe that's something I don't know if that's still an outstanding question. Um, one one thing I did have a a little bit of a concern on with the right of first refusal. I don't think we would want that to be a typical right of first refusal because if a neighbor wants to sell their property to somebody else who's going to come and live there, that wouldn't trigger your right to to buy it like it normally would. So, I we'll have to figure out how that works exactly. I think that um I think we would probably just be okay with a a deed restriction just limiting the use of that land to landscaping use only. Okay. That they could landscape it.

So it would be a straight conveyance with a a restriction that it could only be used for landscaping which Yeah, I think that works.

Okay. So who would like to make that motion? Steve, can you can you repeat what you would have us say so that I could say what Steve just said is so maybe we'd be best let's have somebody make the motion as it is it it's up there and then we'll modify it to reflect kind of what I just said.

Okay, here we go. I move to approve by resolution the a third amendment to the participation agreement with University Shopping Center LC and sorry and authorizing the uh the chair of the governing board I think is the language you want to and is that's up there too and authorized the chair of the governing board to there we go now it's of the city of ORM that's now it's up here okay now I see Okay. Um, no, I got it now. Sorry. And then move to continue the request. Is that where we are now? No, no, it's just you're still on the first paragraph.

Okay. Like that. I move that the redevelopment agency of the city of ORM um authorizes approves the third amendment of the participation agreement and authorizes the chair of the governing board of the redevelopment agency of the city of ORM to execute the third amendment to the participation agreement on behalf of the agency.

Okay. And now that's what I would add subject to that third amendment and the exhibit being modified to reflect that there will be the 12T wall uh constructed by university mall and approx I think we're talking was it 7 ft of the existing landscaping uh being conveyed to the two adjoining neighbors as has already has also been discussed. Is that correct arty? I believe that that's correct. And the only thing I'm uh equivocating on slightly is just we had that 9 foot3 measurement there. I just want to approximately

yeah I think it's approximately seven assuming that there's a twoft you know gap between the curb and the wall. I think that's kind of just our operational constraint. As long as we can maintain that um everything else you know will be uh uh conveyed. So I think we would just say substantially conforming to those those uh provisions, those concepts and then ultimately the chair of the board will we'll get those changes made. We'll be submitting it to the chair of the board for his approval and execution. He won't sign it unless it all looks good and sure. So So said, Steve, and I'll second that. Can I do that? Yeah. I I

I I I I I The resolution passes. It's approved. All right. Would somebody like to make a motion to adjourn this meeting? I move that we adjourn this meeting. I second. Second. I I I I I I this meeting the final one