City Council - Regular Meeting

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right? like to welcome everyone here this afternoon. I apologize for running late. Uh we're in the tax season. Sorry, end of the end of tax season. So got a month. Not really. Um anyway, September 15th. Um, welcome and let's go ahead and start this meeting and we start out with item 2.1 myum update Barton software. Awesome. Thank you, mayor.

Uh, so today I would just like to give a brief status update on how the myorum initiative is progressing. As a reminder, this initiative is set to launch in January. Uh the initiative is that uh all city business that needs to be conducted where whether citizens or other business entities need to interact with the city, they have one single unified location with which to do it. Currently that is split up among several different websites each with their own unique login. This simplifies it into a single login experience. Login once and you are authorized to do everything you need to do for your interactions with the city. Uh the two features that we'll be rolling out with this initiative are going to be our utility billing and our business licensing program. Currently we are working on wrapping up the business licensing side of things and we'll be starting the billing rewrite this week. Uh every other thing that you see up here on the screen is a link out to an existing application that will then be rewritten into the new ecosystem. So with business licensing, we have a new portal, a new look for it um with the ability to apply for uh any of our current licenses. Another feature of this my initiative is the unified wallet. So your credentials, your user um and your payment methods will all be stored if you so choose for them to be. So we can easily have that same payment information be used from your finances. uh over fitness center to your utilities to your cemetery everything so you're not re-entering those uh so that is where things currently as we progress the timeline is over the next few years we're going to continue to write new applications we'll refresh the older ones and store them in here for our citizens to use and enjoy

um any questions about this status of Yes. Okay. Does that payment you choose multiple payments? So still choose potentially if you use a card for utilities but use a separate card. Yes. For Yes. It allows you to store multiple different types of payment whether that be banking information, credit cards, etc. And then you can choose that when you get to the checkout phase. You can choose which one you would like to use. I think this is a great Excuse me.

Um, no, I think that's a great upgrade that the city's doing just to have that all in one place and organized and nice and clean. It's nice to send people to one place, you know, to to deal with any kind of payment. So, I think that's a fantastic upgrade. We're super excited for it, too. And from a security standpoint, from internals in the city, this is also a huge security benefit to the city. Rather than having all these bespoke programs, we're simplifying it so that when there is any security threat to our public facing uh programs, we're able to deal with it much quicker than we currently are able to. So, uh we're super excited for this as well.

I would just also say that this I mean we we already have the demand for this and and sometimes we get, you know, complaints that the right hand of Orum doesn't know what the left hand of Orum is doing and so this will help a lot preventing those kinds of concerns. We're really looking forward to it. Huge win. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you all for letting me present. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, item 22 downtown study. Uh Gary McG.

Yes. You get the button. Okay. Yeah. So, it goes red. There we go. Hey, we went on a summer tour and all of you who drove with me, congratulations on thinking well. you arrived was able to go quickly and safely everywhere you wanted to go without delay.

Those who didn't, I'm sorry. Uh but what we wanted to talk about is we had a presentation recently from our consultant on the h heart of downtown and they went and talked about where we are so far in uh making a draft. They've come out. They've gotten some feedback from us. There's a draft uh document that's come out. And now after the tour in the document, we wanted to spend some time and talk about uh whether uh you have any more specific feedback or ideas that have come up. What we wanted to accomplish by going to Haramman and to the ball field there in Daybreak was to look at public spaces and get some ideas about things that you may like about it, things that you may not like about it and kind of spark some ideas and just thinking about our heart of downtown. Not that we want to take say Haramman and replicate it here or build a ballpark here at Sarah Park, but how they use the space and maybe to get the conversation uh going one of the things uh let's see uh to talk about let's bring up uh oops wrong one. We will bring where is it then [Music]

uh so in here's Haramman that we went and looked at and here is the ballpark and here's from their website you can see uh a little more looking at the area where we came in and this is the big plaza area. One of the things I didn't realize that with the stage or pavilion that they've built here, this area functions as in the summer you go to concerts, you can have gathering space where people come and sit. In the winter, this actually turns into an ice skating ring and it's a bigger location uh than just the ribbon that we saw here at Haramman. So, Haramman has the ribbon that comes around like this and they have a little knuckle right there where people can get out of the ribbon and look at things. And so, just some ideas. We also gave you uh a handout that had some other areas from around the state that had uh elements that might be interesting to us. You know, we looked at Regent Street in Salt Lake where they close a street and uh just some different things that we have. So, just wanted to see if there's any more specific feedback or conversations uh about absolutely we don't like, you know, A, but B makes sense of what we want to do. And this is hard to get your arms around and not trying to to put you

on the spot, but just to see if there's some uh reactions about what you saw and how it could possibly function in hormone. So, two things that I don't know if you wrote down if you guys took notes on, but the the staff or whatever said to me is, you know, have your Zamboni go right onto the ice instead of the garage. Line up with the ice, right? Oh, here's the garage. Yeah. And they said that was a mistake they made. And then they also said that don't put deciduous trees around the ice rink because the little leaves and branches and things fall on there. I wouldn't have even thought about that. Did you guys get that?

Yeah. And that and those are interesting things. I and along that line, I had somebody from our our parks maintenance crew reach out to me and said, "As you're doing this, here's a handful of things to think about just from a maintenance standpoint." It was like, "Okay, that's actually very helpful and very interesting because I can guarantee you I would not have thought of that." I loved the at the ball field, that area that you were pointing out. I loved the way everything was situated, kind of focusing on that central area. Um, I would love to go up there sometime on Friday night and just kind of see what it feels like and what's I mean, it seems like from the way they were describing it and and the way everything looked, it looked like it would just be a fun place to be. And you talk about Jeff the area where that ice rings with the turf. You got turf or ice.

Yeah. With the doors that roll back and

um turf at the ball field and this is taken from the light rail station and my daughter lives one right uh light rail station north of here. And I was telling somebody she's seen the Beatles there. She's seen Taylor Swift there and they're all tribute bands, you know, but she has just she's a young adult and just loves going to this area. And when I told her that this is an ice skating rink in the winter, she was like, "Oh, I would have had no idea." And it kind of extends the season in which you can use things in that area. One thing that I uh heard from some of the staff there at the ball fields was that the the retail the food retail that they're bringing in, they're trying to focus on Utah specific sort of homegrown type food retail. So it's like Hireersburg Big

Hires Big Hires Big and then forget what the ice cream was, but it was Rockwell. Rockwell. Yeah. So, so not that's really what one can say I want franchises but more Utah specific. So, right, I love that idea. I agree too that this this particular area um really had a lot going forward as far as because this is obviously this Salt Lake Bees field which is huge but in a smaller area this kind of fits in potentially something and when we're talking about an ice river we're also talking about a nice rink. This is just an ice rink here.

Yeah. But but that would be a conversation to have, right? To I mean at the end of the day, is the ice ribbon going to get more traction? Is the ice rink going to get more? Are we going to do a combo? Nice thing about this and have all kinds of different things. Yeah. And I just switched back now to Haramman and they have just the ribbon that comes around here, but they have this little knuckle and just wondering could they have had room somehow some way to make that knuckle bigger and and uh don't you have an example in the those examples that you gave? Is it Mil Creeks or Bountiful?

Uh I can't remember a place. Do you recall one of them? Didn't one ribbon in state have a rink? It's a Mil Creek. And again, hockey rink is technically correct, but this is pint-sized rink. So, separate from the ribbon, but we're not doing U16 hockey on it. Um, so I thought that would be an interesting concept with that one end of that that was a bigger called a rink but area similar to what you saw at the ballpark. Could you put a stage rink on the one end of it?

Sure. To then make it multiple use. And the dual use with the turf is a big deal if you can go turf plus ice. And one thing that and I don't know if you guys were there yet, the second group that came cuz when we got there, we were chatting with Kelsey and stuff and um they were talking about how when the Miller group took over that area that they had builders who were bringing in a lot of high density and that they decided they didn't want to go that direction as much. They they had some of the contractors scale it back. Do you guys remember the numbers? trying I'm trying to remember. Yeah, they

what they did is they scaled it back and they increased the quality because the original plan was to have mobs in high density and they scaled it back and increase quality was what they wound up with. Yeah. Because they wanted to create a stable, you know, uh not as transient type of a neighborhood basically. Yeah. Right. So,

and I brought up here's the Mil Creek. This is the area I think Brandon that you're talking about. um where you have the ribbon and you know incorporating maybe a a bigger area. Jump to uh Oops. So, in our park, one of the drafts that our consultant has come up with is there's a nice ribbon here. There's kind of, you know, some uh cabanas and different things that might serve that, but they're also talking about something here. Uh kind of a little uh dance stand or something that you could do things in. and then they would have this area that could be incorporated in it. You know, one of the things that we could do if that's an interesting idea to the councils, talk to them about, well, how do we incorporate in the summer using a band stand in this area with an a dual use purpose that could be part of, you know, not a full ice skating rink, but something that might be able to fit in this area somehow. Uh and now it becomes a you know allseason usable area you know and and it's those types of ideas were the reasons and hope that we had and going on this tour and you know to get some of these ideas generating. So if this is something that's interesting to the council, we could

talk to the consultant about this kind of idea concept and and see what it would do. So So incorporating both I like it items both.

Yeah, cuz we saw that at at uh by the ballpark and I did not realize that. I knew there was a stage area, but I didn't know enough about it to realize that it was an ice skating rink in the winter. And then getting up there and seeing that, it's like, oh, could we do that? And what, you know, and how do you bring that in in conjunction with other things? We know we don't want to mess with the pool. We know we love the shell. So, in some of the other areas, how do you do this? Remember, we had that parking area here. In one of their drafts, they're proposing that it come up over here to create more continuous user space in here that's not bisected by parking.

I do have a comment. When they move the parking, they also, it looks like they moved the pavilion. So, there's a pavilion that you or that is currently there. Yeah, there's currently a big pavilion. It's about right here, I would guess.

Yeah. So I think one of the great things that the pavilion offers is as groups run out the Sarah, they can have a big dinner there and then move on over into the pool facility. So I thinking and in the winter it could be they have some kind of fun event there and then move on over to the ice skating. So I think keeping a pavilion or seating area somewhere would be useful and helpful and in hosting events like that because currently that's how the space is being used but now you can connect them more. So I think that's something to consider. Um and then the other thought I had was one of the things that made that ballpark facility so great was they had public transportation just right up to it. So, I don't know what the public transportation plans are for this, but I would hope that we would incorporate that into our plans.

Yeah. And that's one of the things that uh the consultant suggested is that we do need to sit down with. We know there UTA has buses on State Street now. There are buses running that we meet with UTA and say, "Okay, this is what we're doing here. How can you with what you're doing currently support us, you know, and I and I don't know what shape that takes. It could be, you know, a better bus stop that's looks good, is more inviting to get people in, you know, but it's something that I think we pro it was a good idea.

It could be the timing of their schedule so they match up with what we're doing events, right? Exactly. you know, or or you know, and I know it's not a BYU football game, but but they change the routing of UVX to get uh buses in. So maybe there are things that we could do when we have large events that we could work with them on scheduling. But I think that's something we really need to sit down with UTA and say, "Okay, how can you specifically support Orm City in accomplishing what we're trying to accomplish in building community in this area?" Yeah,

I do think on that stage kind of what you were saying, I mean, the pool is set, the the Shell is set, the Shell has a specific types of productions that it does, right? and we wouldn't want to compete with that, but we could have a stage similar to what we have in city center park or something whereas we're having different events. We can have bands, we can have small rooms, we can have, you know, so we would we would try and tailor it to the types of events that we would do there so we're not competing with the show, but we're complimenting it.

Yeah. And that and that's going to take some close coordination with Sarah and we've been trying to keep uh Adam in the loop on on what we're doing and he came on the tour with us to look at some of these these things and you know nothing gets uh parents and grandparents in as you know activities with kids and and trying to you know really live up to the family city USA. How do we get families into this area? I have two things. Um, so one thing they did mention at the Beastville was the bikes, how many people rode their bikes to events.

So, do they have um, you know, where do we put bike racks tastefully and where they're secure? It would be one thing I would want to ask the consultants. The other thing is your quet huts. Um, that looks cute in a half circle, but I think the purpose is over here. Yeah. Is for the parents, grandparents to be able to sit off to the side and watch the kids. So, you've got them really the only desirable, the most desirable ones are right there by the ice rink. So, can you spread them in a more of a line instead of the circular? Yeah. So, everybody has a front row. Can see the kids skating by

Gary. So, does this call to purchase the building that's down on the corner? Then they're talking talking about uh so the study area is from 8 South down here all the way up to what is it? Fourth South and from over here uh Tiger Way all the way over to uh uh

Boulevard. Thank you. And so they're talking long longterm in the park. I think what this is intended is if that building ever came up for sale and the city had a chance and I think Adam even mentioned you know maybe 30 40 years ago Sierra had the chance to buy that building and they passed on it that you know it could be parking or a parking garage or something that would complement the area just to be kind of proactively looking just like there are homes here. I don't think anybody has any plans to uh you know do anything. But if a home came up for availability, we should seriously think about acquiring it to just increase. And same thing with uh businesses over here, you know, not that we're we're trying to, you know, force anybody out, but just as things come up and are available, see to keep in mind as we plan now, okay, what if some of these areas did come in? Somebody makes a donation to the city for, you know, tax purposes and things like that. That would be a fantastic wind forth. And how do we incorporate that in? They also had a water at the ballpark. It was very, very small.

Yeah. But they said it worked very well cuz it was small and it wasn't huge, but gave enough water to cool the kids or whatever. They could put their feet in it. You know, maybe that's something over by the pavilion. I don't know. I know you don't want to take away from the pool, but I was going to say we got a water feature here. There you go. get in. You got to pay to get in. Get in. So, they had to buy the amphitheater right on the back side. Um I know we didn't take pictures of it, but yeah. And those those uh splash pads are fun things and kids love them. My grandson was in town and every night I heard Splash Lad, which is 2-year-old for Splash Pad.

So, we would go to Hillrest to go play at the Splash Lad for hours. So fun. Yeah. And and to that point, I remember when we were over at uh Haramman, as far as in in their ice ribbon, they had some uh different water features off to the side. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you remember that or not. Yeah. Just with with those water features, it really broke up the landscaping. And I was talking with Bryce about this, but as far as the more we can have different senses, you know, like if we have video screens, if we have water features and and not real expensive ones, but just the change, you know, it it makes a big difference in the whole appearance, the feel of the the place.

Yeah. Gary, how many acres are we talking about compared to what we saw? Uh yeah, in in our park. Yeah. uh off the top of my head. I'd have to look. Ryan, will you look that up? And then currently we've used that for um you know, old car shows, etc., etc. Yeah, this area here especially. And so would would those opportunities be gone? We don't want them to be gone.

Okay. Uh we're trying to come up with areas that we can keep what we have, enhance them, and add in additional things. Yeah. I think one of the things uh and Bryce, you've got a really good perspective on this. You know, we've talked about ORMFest. Fantastic. How many people did we have at Ormfest this last year? We had a 100,000 in one weekend at in the three days at City Center Park. Yeah,

100,000. I don't know that we want a 100,000 in 3 days here that we're looking for that type of event. But, you know, consistently every few weeks we've we have 2 3,000 people could come in to an event and do some things. What was the car show? Do you remember?

It was 12,000 uh that day. One of the things I mean Kenise and Sydney are here in the back right now, but one of the things we've talked about as an events team is rather than delivering one 100,000 person weekend, could we deliver 200 5,000 person days over there between the sir shell and the swimming pool and then a ice ribbon and then a farmers market. You know, we have a number of events that are at that 3 to 5,000. they are lower impact for our public safety team and it would drive the consistency of the traffic which we think would be the maybe the most healthy for a district like this. So yeah, definitely the the car shows to Councilman McDonald's point that's exactly what we would want more of the you know several neighborhood level events not the all hands on deck every single person is in the park for an entire weekend. We're we're also looking at our uh active transportation plan, looking at bikes and things like that. And one of the things we're really worried about is how do we get, you know, a family that wants to go uh mom and dad on some bikes and some kids, you know, on uh bikes with training wheels and stuff like that to be able to get from Sierra to the city park, you know, that's from here. It's only four blocks away safely. And and we talked about that at our last work meeting also. You know, there's some We've talked about a hawk here on Center Street. We've talked about a light being over here uh by our entrance to the city center block and Smith's, you know, and but yet now through the neighborhoods, how do you get people safely from one park to the other to, you know, all year long be able to move around and enjoy activities. ities.

So, it it's just money. So, I have a request for 30 million and if you would just give it, we'll we'll we'll come and spend it wisely. I like the suggestion that the Miller Group does a entertainment um function of their business, right? So, maybe we can get them to come on down to Well, and and that is Utah County present. They don't. There you go. Well, and that's that's part of they got their name on stuff at UBU.

They have some county stuff and mayor, that's that's one of the reasons we wanted to go to the ballpark and talk to Larry H. Miller and then have the mayor come to talk about that public private partnership and how we can work together with uh other groups and organizations. Jill, one of the events at uh the Shell this summer was that dancing under the stars uh we went to and it's the uh the center for dance and everything going on and what a what a great performance they put on with all of their people and activities. So with this we would be looking for ways to partner with you know everything from a Larry H. Miller group to a UVU to come in and do some things uh to anybody and everybody.

Well, and to the question about things like the car show, I mean, maybe we're doing the car show here, but we I mean, we've got 23 parks, so we've got a lot of different resources we could use for getting different events optimized at different places, too. And one of the things that we have talked about is uh not come to any conclusion but just recognizing as this park develops and as we work on making connections between parks and areas Summerfest there may be uh more activities down here and uh less at the city during Summerfest be able to

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Say I love that idea. And emphasize that concept. I mean, this is this is the heart of downtown. And so, it should be something of a of a bridge between both bookends of our downtown, which is this this campus here and then, you know, a university place. And we we already to some extent do events all along the three locations. But the more we can we can spread it out and connect these three areas, we'll have a better ability to provide events where people feel safe and welcome and that it's exciting. It's exciting uh community gathering, not concerning gathering.

Any other questions? Hey, thank you for the feedback and the conversation and we'll take these ideas and get with the consultant and have them see if they can't uh refine their their draft, their concept that that you've seen and try to tailor it a little better for us. Okay. And then and then in Mil Creek as well. Any ideas that you feel from there they're are good to incorporate? Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you, Gary. All right. Item 2.3, uh, presentation 501c4 updates. Steve roll.

Thank you, mayor. Um, so as you may remember, uh, I think it was two meetings ago, we had a discussion about 501c4s and what they were and what they do, what they can and can't do. Um, and I think there was a desire for some additional information on those very questions. And so I was asked to uh do a little research and come back with you and give you some additional information on uh what 501c4s are. Uh some of you might already be somewhat familiar with 501c4s and I apologize in advance. Sometimes I find myself tripping over the 501c4 and I end up say I'm in 503 C1s or different things like that, but you know what I'm talking about. 501c4s. So uh the 501c4 is just basically an entity organized under section 501c4 of the internal revenue code. Uh most of you are probably familiar with 501c3 organizations which are charitable organizations and the C4s are just sort of the next subsection. It's a different kind of entity uh organized under the Internal Revenue Code. So 501c4s are uh nonprofit taxexempt organizations. Uh the entity itself is taxexempt although contributions to 501c4 folders typically are not uh deductible as charitable contributions. Um they are they're described as social welfare organizations. You might ask what does that mean? Well, the internal or I think it's the treasury department actually has defined that as an organization operated for the promotion of social welfare and uh it's primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general work of the community. So that's still kind of general, still kind

of vague, subjective, but basically if it could be interpreted to be something that promotes the general welfare, it's going to fall under uh that description. So you have uh a number of prominent examples of 501c4s in this country um that that include a variety of uh causes if you will or positions on uh on social issues. A couple examples would be the National Rifle Association, uh the Sierra Club. Obviously two entities with very different uh missions and aims but they both fall under that uh organizational structure of 501c4. So 501c4s and and maybe this is uh the difference between a maybe one of the questions is a diff what's the difference between a 501c4 and a 501c3. So 501c3 is devoted basically exclusively to charitable um activities and that can be uh that can be scientific, religious, educational, artistic, those kinds of activities. 501c3s the charitable organizations are not allowed to engage in any kind of uh political campaign involvement running for so they can't they can't give donations they can't uh distribute literature commercials any of that

50 so this is where 501c4s are a little different they are allowed to engage in political activity as long as political activity is not their primary purpose And generally that means you you determine what their primary purpose is by where they spend the majority of their money. Um 501c4s mean you know how that works as far as if you're supposed to determine where they spend the majority of their money but you can't see how they spend their money. You can see how they spend their money. So they basically are required to report their expenditures on political issues to uh the IRS. I think it's called form 9990 if I'm not mistaken. So you can see where they spend. You just can't see their donors.

That's correct. So you can see where they're spending. Now I the impression I have is they're only required to I believe they're only required to report their expenditures when it's related to political activity and not when it's non-political activity. But you're that's that would be public information. You would be able to see where those expenditures are going. Mayor said you couldn't see their donors. Is that accurate? Cannot see their donors. So that's one of the differences with a 501c4 is they're not required to disclose their donors. So a person basically is allowed to donate an unlimited amount unlimited amount of money to a 501c4. And uh and again under federal law, they're not required to disclose who their donors are.

That's that's where the term dark money comes from because you can't see where their funding is coming from. I I would suppose so. Yeah. And when are they filing their disclosures? When are those required to be filed? Um, I am guessing it's like part of the tax year when everybody else is required to file disclosures, but I'm not 100% on that. So, if they're engaged in a political campaign, which starts in June and ends in November, we're not going to know about any of their activities until then following April. You know, again, I would have to look that up to tell you give you a definitive answer on that. So, I don't know exactly when the filing deadline is.

Okay. And then um who defines are there definitions of political activities? Um yes I mean I think it's uh it's political activity. I mean there's obvious activity. So when you're engaged in supporting a candidate, a ballot proposition, a political cause of some sort, that's obviously going to be considered political activity. So, um, anything that has a political bias? No, I wouldn't say anything that has a political bias because political bias is very broad. Okay?

Right? So, if I'm, for example, if I'm the NRA, I'm supporting gun rights. I can lobby Congress, you know, on the issues that are important to me. That would be that would fall under the definition of social welfare. I don't think that would be considered political activity. So political activity I think is largely defined in against supporting elections, candidates, ballot propositions, things like that. So if it happens during an election season, could that be defined as supporting elections? You know, that's a good question. Um, I don't know the answer for that for sure. I guess the IRS would have to make that determination whether it was or not. So

I mean, why else would you do it, right? So, so let me go back to 50. So, so 501c4s, they cannot make direct campaign contributions to political candidates. Um, but they are allowed to pay for independent expenditures that encourage the public to support or oppose political candidates. So basically that means an independent expenditure is any communication or activity that is not coordinated or made with a cooperation consultation or at the request of a candidate or political party. It has to be independent. So they cannot coordinate with candidates say hey I'm going to go you know organize this campaign on your behalf. I'm going to go hey what do you want on the billboard that I'm going to pay for to you know support your candidacy. They can't do that. they can't coordinate those activities. Has to be completely independent.

What would what constitute coordination? Again, an example would be going to the candidate and saying, "Hey, I'm going to I'm going to do mailers on your behalf or I'm going to do radio spots or I'm going to do billboards. What message do you want me to put on there for you?" You know, what what's the what's the word you want out on that? That would be coordination. or going to them and saying, "Hey, um, do you want me to go ahead and where do you want me to put this sign or what what's your position? What radio station do you want me to put this on?" Those would be coordination and cooperation.

I think the confusion in ORM is some groups have both a that arm and a pack guard and they're and they're careful as to what goes into which arm. Well, they're both packs. No. Is a 501c4 pack. I think that they are separate entities. They're two separate entities. They have an a pack which donates to uh civic to campaigns and a 501c4 which does not. I think that's a big difference. Yes. The 501c4 cannot donate directly to Yeah. I mean, we all know that you can't donate to campaigns. That's not what that's the not what we're talking about here, right? We're talking about political influence and how to they use a different fund to do that

using political influence under the guise of a 501c4 a a charitable organization where they're not disclosing where their donors are coming. A 501c4 is not a charitable organization. Correct. Social welfare. It's social welfare. Yes. That's right. But I mean that's where the hub haboo is, right? is I think the hubbaboo is assuming they do give anything to political campaigns and they don't in the in the stronger or they do which is a Utah pack and they say where money comes from and they say where it's going out too.

So in that example who who paid for the survey that came out that was a push poll that had some pretty defamatory things. I assume stronger or I don't know that but they keep they have to do a paid for. There was no paid force, so nobody really knows at this point. I don't know that. Do 501c4s have to do. Someone told me they had the survey. I didn't get the survey. Sorry. There there's So there's state law on um doing the paid for. I think that applies I'd have to go back and look at that language, but I think that applies to anybody who does an advertisement. So, but I'd have being sent out should have a paid for them.

I I would think so. Yes. without double checking that that's yes that's what I think okay so going back to the the one of the questions that you may or uh asked Len so 501c4s although political activity can't be their primary activity they are allowed to engage in unlimited lobbying or issue advocacy uh so again like the NRA they can do unlimited lobbying uh issue advocacy you know for an issue that's important So um so back to the we we talked about the donors to a 501c4 do not have to be disclosed. Uh I think there was a question at the last meeting we talked about this about whether the city could potentially require disclosure 501c4s to disclose their donors and the answer to that is maybe. Uh it's unclear. There are two states that have uh adopted regulations requiring additional disclosure of donors that that being New York and Connecticut. So there's some precedent for that. However, I think there is also some question whether those uh laws would pass legal muster and to my knowledge there's not been a challenge in the courts that we can look to for you know precedent but you know the the federal government has kind of established what the rules are for 501c4s and generally you know states or local governments can be somewhat limited uh if the federal government has already regulated but in some cases they can some cases they can't is the bottom line. So I guess what I'm saying is it's possible that a local government entity could regulate that but not certain that that would pass uh a legal challenge. So um I think that we have as we've looked into this we felt that if there was an

interest in um requiring 504s to disclose their donors probably that would have a better chance of success if it were done at the state level rather than at the local level. just you know they would have better resources to uh enforce um to uh measure investigate you know all those kinds of things. So they and plus again there's already the precedent of some other states doing that. I have not seen anything about local other local governments having done this before and they haven't been challenged yet in other states. Not to my knowledge. I haven't seen anything where I've uh noticed that there was a legal challenge to that. So and may I just clarify? So what these other states have done is required more transparency.

Yes. From that donor perspective. Yeah. So they Yeah. They've required greater transparency of donors beyond what federal government you know just nothing. Basically they didn't require any transparency. Basically that was the donors. You know 501c4s have had an impact on cities. Are they more are they usually bigger like the NRA bigger national organizations? I I you know I haven't looked into that mayor so I don't know the answer to that. Um I think that I mentioned a couple examples just because those are well-known

national organizations but I don't know to what extent they're you know local I mean I'm sure there are many many 501c4s that are probably active on the local. Yeah. You don't hear about those like you don't hear about problems.

Yeah. I I and kind of why we went down this path was, you know, when I first got elected, we had some issues on the voting side as far as different city council members were voting one way and telling the constituents they were voting a different way. And so there's confusion uh with people and so we just wanted to make sure that everyone always knew how their city council members voted. That's what took us down the transparency portal path is was to be completely transparent and that's what our residents expect is they want to know what we represent, what we vote for, you know, they they they want to make sure that we're representing them the best way possible. And so we've got that transparency portal that's been set up to it's actually been adopted by other cities as a model of, you know, a really good way to get transparency to to the city council. And so I so the goal, you know, however we get there will be to make sure that we have transparency on where the money is coming from that's funding our local elections. This hasn't been a problem up to now because without a 51c4, you can see where the money's coming from, who's contributing it, and how it's being being worked. But with this new 51c4 element, it just creates an invisible area of donors. And I mean, one of the number one things in politics is follow the money. And with this, you can't follow the money. You don't know where it's coming from. So, you don't know who's trying to influence our elections. Mayor, the comment I got from this group is stronger together community is a 501c4. It purpose is support and strengthen our public schools and foster greater public participation in local government. Stronger or a Utah a registered Utah pack is proposed to support exceptional candidates running for public office who make positive lasting contributions to our school and community. The roles of these two organization are distinct.

They have separate funding, separate bank accounts, and separate reporting. This is normal. Stronger or PAC supports candidates. I've been a contributor to that. All contributions received and expenditures made are fully disclosed as required by Utah law. stronger stronger together community 501c4 is not engag engaged in campaigning and has not made any contributions to any candidates so that and that's what they're telling us and that's great we can believe them take them at their word but simple things like the survey I think the survey was paid for by stronger or well no one said who paid for it would

yeah I don't know why violation I don't know I didn't see the survey I heard But it was a it was a push poll where you push push certain answers on people and and shape opinion. Right. Yeah. I also was I also saw online that the Yeah, I heard my name was on I said not running. I wasn't running two years ago. I heard my name. Yeah, I heard my name was on this push pole. So, I also saw a comment from that group regarding why they have a 501c4. And the comment was something to the effect of, "We could do that, but we don't plan on doing that." And to me, I'm like, "Okay, right there just says we've got to look into this because you don't take

I haven't heard they still talking, please.

You don't take someone's word for, you know, we could do that, but we're just not going to." The reason we have laws is just to keep the dogs from barking and disturbing neighbors and to keep everybody happy and to just make sure everyone has the guard rails up. Um, so if there are some potential if there I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just saying if there's a potential for confusion then we should probably look into this. This is such a new thing for us here that I have gotten lots of emails. You got that email from them. I've gotten lots of emails from the other side and they've listed things that they have observed happening that questions that they have um violations that they're appearing to see. So, um, from a city standpoint, you know, I think what what Steve has said, this is a federal designation, but my opinion is anything we can do to create greater transparency and better guard rails so we don't have problems after the fact, we should do that. Um I h and I'm this is not against anyone but frankly someone today sent me um just our last election right there were some adjustments made and this particular group funded three candidates throughout the election through inind donations to the tune of $27,000 who were not claimed and given to the public until December after the election

two years ago. or yeah in 2023. So expenditures were made in May, June, August, October, November. Their reporting is different than the candidates. They just general report and the candidates supposed to pick up in kind contributions. Right. Right. They But the lieutenant inind contributions document that I was aware of. Can I finish? Sure.

Go ahead. But the inkind contributions were then reported at the behest and direction of the lieutenant governor's office. But the lieutenant governor's office had made this group aware of these. I'm sorry. There had been complaints filed during the election of 2023 of what this group was doing that were not um taken care of until after the election was over. And it was at that time that the lieutenant governor stepped in and said, "Okay, let's see if we can make this right by filing this in kind donation." Frankly, that's not what campaign finance disclosures are for. They are for a transparency uh tool to help voters determine who's supporting my candidate, what does my candidate stand for, who do they maybe have ties to, whatever. People have different interpretations for all of that, right? I mean, I've been accused of of um a $50 donation um buying my vote. So, or in influ influencing me. So, everybody has um you know, different reasons to have that information. I think the point that a lot of people want to have come from this discussion is is there something we can do to create greater transparency in in ORM and in our elections.

Right. And because there has been a track record of in ORM itself over the last two years um that has not happened. There have been problems. Right. And and to your point, when when it goes to lieutenant governor's office and then it's forced to be put on the records after the fact, that doesn't help anybody. I mean, that

it's completely pointless other than say something happened, but what does it mean? And so we kind of have a situation right now where we're in an election, we're dealing with these same sorts of things and we don't have any process to deal with it other than to say, well maybe after the election we'll figure out what happened or there's a 51c4 and we don't know who's funding, you know, uh different canals. So anyway, Steve, just I'm kind of I'm finding a little bit of an answer to your question about when those forms have to be filed for a 501c4 when they make political expenditures. So I have to amend what I said before. So, not only do they have to file a form with the IRS, but it looks like they also have if their expenditures exceed a certain threshold amount, which in some cases I think is $250 and others is $1,000, they may be required to file a form with the Federal Election Commission as well. And that has to be looks like the deadline is generally at the end of the quarter in which the expenditures are made or they might even be required to file with is called a 24hour or 48 hour report for what they call large latent expenditures. And uh so anyway, so there obviously haven't had time to dig into this in depth, but it does look like there are some some uh greater reporting requirements for large expenditures that are made in the middle of it.

So if we wanted to find those reports, people are listening to this and they're like, "Okay, well, let's just see. Let me educate myself and see who's given what money or what are they spending money on. Where would they look? Where would that report be filed?"

Yeah. So again, they they are required to file this form on 990 with IRS, but in addition, depending on the amount, I think in the timing, they may also be required to file additional forms with the Federal Election Commission. It's called form five with the Federal Election Commission. So, um I'm assuming that that also would be a public document that people could find u by going to the Federal Election Commission website, I would assume. So but again having not dug deep into that that's that's what I have. So there should be something ideally if this entity has been in place for over a year there should be some filings there.

Well it's the I think it's the expenditures when and that they trigger the filing requirements. They could have been in existence for a long time but they didn't make those political expenditures. They they don't not required to file anything only during that court. It's only when they make those expenditures that they have that triggers the obligation to file. And that's you said that'll show up on the 990. Well, the 990 is with the IRS, but then there's an additional reporting requirement with the Federal Election Commission. That's the one we're trying to figure out how you would get that for the pack or the 501c. That's for the 501c4. If they didn't make contributions, it be reported on And no, this is this is reporting expenditures, not contributions.

Expenditures. I don't know the contribution. So depending on how that works, the 990 is Well, Tom knows this your accountant. The 990 is supposed to be filed at the end of the tax year, right? Yeah. And but they can get extensions and some cases they don't ever file it now and they file it super late. So with all that in mind, we just need to nail down if this information is really available. And if it's not, then we need to try and figure out some kind of a mechanism where we can get some clarity on what's going on with the money because if it keeps getting pushed out, pushed out, pushed out, it's after an election, it's just it's worthless.

And again, I think we have to distinguish between expenditures versus contributions, right? So these reporting requirements are just expenditures. They're not donors or contributions. When does a pack have to report? Cuz you reported the 50143, whatever those letters are, and they said they've never given any money to a candidate or to a pack. And the pack is contributing to campaigns andor surveys and or whatever, when do they have to report who they've paid? Um, I unfortunately didn't research that look that up, but obviously if they're donating money to a candidate, the candidate's going to have to disclose that on their in kind or otherwise they're supposed to report it. Correct.

And then can I because another question I've received is confusion of names. Can they be uh so this person is saying you know I can't find it on utah disclosures.ututah.gov or whatever it is. um because they have a DVA of stronger together, but it's stronger or you can't find stronger together because it's under stronger or so. So, um uh stronger together is not listed on the site alphabetically. can only be found if you know they used they used to be stronger or search for stronger together which reveals stronger or aka stronger together. So they've got two different entities stronger together stronger or three stronger community

and you listed two of those Tom. Yeah, I Yeah, this one talks about how can you have the same name? How can you do a DBA with one of the names of the entities repeating a name of one of the other entities? I I mean, do you know? I don't have any information about that. So, I don't I can't answer that question. A confusing thing. I mean, you've got layman trying you don't have accountants trying to figure, you know, if I want to go do some research as a voter, I would never find this stuff, right? I'd give up before I could find.

And and what we've had up until this point is people make donations. Candidates spend money. It shows on on their financial report. Just go look at the financial report. Everyone knows what's going on. But in this case where we've got a pick a pack and a 501c4, um it just gets extremely confusing. So if the goal is for citizens to understand what's going on, anything we can do to help them be able to do that would be extremely helpful. So

yeah, I mean totally this could this could all be capiche, you know, we could have everything could be exactly what Tom is saying where they didn't donate here or they did do this or they did but we don't know. It's too confusing right now. And the the one statement that I said, you know, where we're never going to do that, I just am not going to um I don't feel in my position that I should accept that type of an explanation. I feel I have a duty to create guardrails and create an environment where we don't have that opportunity for discussion and dissension and, you know, all division, all of that. Let's just figure out how to make it transparent and clear so there's no accusations and there's no shady behavior. So I I I don't know. I'm in favor of a of a civ of a municipal ordinance to try to um create more transparency. If this if this entity doesn't want to be transparent and they choose to sue us, then we deal with that when that happens. But why would they do that? Why why would they not want to disclose uh be more transparent about their entity?

I'm looking online at everyone who contributed between May and August their last report online. You're talking about stronger everyone who the stronger community is the C4. Yeah, that's where do you and that's the one they said they're not making any contributions to political people. You are saying that right. Do we have do we have a filing? I don't know that. I'm just looking at stronger or everyone who made a contribution to it. But stronger or isn't the issue at Stronger Community is the C4. Yeah, that's the one you're you're assuming has done things that

I'm not assuming anything. I'm just saying we have guards there to make sure there's transparency there. And why not put in place an ordinance that provides transparency, provides opportunity so we can stop these public discussions that are going on. They don't like being accused of it. Other people don't like thinking they're doing things. Let's just do something that creates an entity an opportunity for transparency. That would be good governance. Yeah. But if they're not making contributions to city to contri to campaigns, we can't ask them to do that, can we? But do we know? I mean, as far as the information, who knows when that will be disclosed? I think Steve, you ought to reach out to them to see if they'll give you a report.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. There a 501c4. These these laws in New York and Connecticut um are regulating C4s. So, of course, we can put an ordinance in place to regulate C4s. You don't have to see what they're doing. You just have to see what they're doing to decide whether we're going to pass an ordinance or not. Okay.

Why not be more transparent? Yeah. Transparency is what it's all about, right? Mhm. What What's the holdup? Why would you not want to do that? Well, I think there's two issues here. One is transparency and I think we can ask them for that. The other is the role of the federal government, the state government and the local government. I think we don't want to get into that mess right now. I don't have a problem getting into it. No one's going to invite you to do so. And and then I would vote yes on doing it on more transparency. So I guess your vote is no.

We don't have that on the agenda. I don't have it on. So I I've sent you some information. I encourage you to research that as well. So I guess four people are going to decide whether this goes on the agenda then four people always decide what goes on the agenda. I know that's my point. Yeah.

We got the school district to learn more and I'd love to hear more what Steve finds and what best options are. I mean, I just find from a we're fearful of stepping on federal, state, I I just find that a weak argument because truly what it's about is transparency. And is a group going to sue? If they're truly doing nothing, are they going to not want to be transparent? I mean, that's no different. My statement there is no different from, you know, we don't plan to do that. except for um let's just make it safe for the

core everything we're talking about. So picks are transparent, packs are transparent if they report on time and if they put their information out uh and then 51c4s are not. So if we're going down to that then for us to I don't know I guess look at these other ordinances that have been done see if there's anything that could be done you know to to to make that transparent and oral maybe there's not but we we can explore it that's all I'm asking for

you know and and the other issue is time I mean we're in the thick of this election I don't want to get to the election and then February after all the dust is settled have these announcements made by these entities that oh well guess what this is what financial should have said after the fact anyway we you want to go Steve I am not the one that makes that decision so that that is up said he's willing to look into it

and I think I think it'd be a good good idea to do that I mean the key thing is transparency see where is the money coming if they have the money is there's no harm no foul if they're not doing anything wrong if they're concerned about who's given the money why wouldn't they let us know as a city I think we could we have that opportunity but I just think it calms our city more if we're trying to be transparent like everything's in the open I'm open the most and I I I say the entity that is making campaign contributions is fully open and is reporting it right and this is an entity you've donated to Tom. Let's just make that transparent too. I have I told it right up front. Continue to to echo their

No, I'm just saying online and everyone who's made a contribution to the political campaign, right? But I I I think we've talked about this, but you continue to echo their talking point. So, as you echo a conspiracy theory, some Oh, please no conspiracy theory here. My I'm transparency sir. Please don't accuse me of that. That would be medic. I'm sorry, what? State New York and just see what what their ordinance was or the law and see that down to municipal level.

Yeah. I mean, I'll I'll do whatever the council wants me to do. So, just need guidance and direction from the council. Yeah. I mean, I'm in favor of investigate, looking into it and seeing, you know, what our options are. Um, and with the ultimate goal of it's pretty simple. We just want to know what money is coming into these elections and what money is going out of these elections. So, and and and obviously the reason for that is is that money has influence. Yeah. You know, since the beginning of time, that money has influenced people to in different ways. It's it's the the citizenry hasn't the right to know that. So anyway, um Chris hasn't commented. Did you like to comment? Chris,

all right. I mean, thank you comment. I think what we've heard is uh self-explanatory. I think there's a reason um what the federal law is and then there's also the citizen request. And so if uh Steve's given a good report, I don't have any further to ask from him because I've also researched on that side. So, I don't have a strong opinion of to continue or not. I'm just waiting to see if we can find out more. I'll depend the vote at that. Jeff, do you want to look at that? That's where I'm at. I just I would like to know. I would like if Steve's willing to dive in more and and find out more information and then bring that to us and say, "Here's what I found."

You specify what you mean by more information. Are you talking about specifically this organization, this situation, or you talking about the laws in New York? the the New York the the other situations in other places New York um and if it makes sense for us to to do something like that in or that's the way I understand what you're saying is you're saying put these other law

I yeah I would love Steve's legal opinion on what he think would be best um let's look at these other situations and then bring that to ORM if that you know that and see if that would make sense or if there are some other um unforeseen circumstances or consequences um could come to pass because of that one way or the other. Yeah. I just feel like right now we're just a lot of opinion. Yeah. And I would like more hard data. Right. Legal information from Steve. I I mean we got a consensus on that, right? Yeah.

I guess Okay. Can I just clarify? So I what I would like to see is what would that look like on a municipal level? What's going on in New York and Connecticut? What would that how on a mun cuz you know that's New York Connecticut. How does what does this mean for you know me as a legislator in Our See I I think the issue here though is we're looking to redefine the whole 501c4 organization at our own unique moment municipal level and I'm not sure that's what we want to do here. Do we really want to redefine 501c4s? We're not 51c4s are defined by the IRS.

They are defined by the IRS. The reporting requirements are also defined by the So, redefining the reporting requirements, we're redefining the 501c4 organizations. No, we're not. 501c4s are defined by the IRS. What these two states have done is these two states have added some additional requirements so they can see what's going on behind the scenes in this climate C4. And if that's my voice, but if that's possible to for them to have more transparency, then we're just curious what that looks like and if that would be implementable on a city level. I have no problem with more transparency. I'm just not sure that this is true. We want to bark up and all the things that we're working on. Is this the most important thing? Well, a lot of things we're working on, endless things.

We do have endless things we're working on. So, is that how we want Steve to use this time? We're in an election and there's a lot of people in the community that wonder what to do with this 50C4 that's now inserted into our politics expressly that they are not spending money on election politics. So what you're saying basically you don't trust them. Well what I'm saying in that last election there was whatever the number was 24,000 27,000 there was this announcement of this much was spent well after the election from this group. So,

I'm not was and and can I be clear? I have the print out right here. That was $27,46429 per candidate. $8,000 not disclosed during the campaign of inind donations. So, this is nothing about the candidates. This is about an entity that provided inind donations to candidates and none of that was disclosed at that time. Turn the page and read the details on it was disclosed after the fact after the election was and that's what I'm talking about. This is the 23 oh I guess it's 237 full total of 23,75629

amongst three candidates. 24 amongst three candidates. And did you report it on your personal Yes. And then it was December. They reported when they did that. You reported the pancake breakfast. I reported anything that was my that was my for me when it was required to be reported. So what what so wasn't I don't I I really don't want to go after you guys. This is not my point here. I I I just pulled this out to say so it's important to note to the public that it wasn't 80,000. It was a total of 23 amongst three candidates. Right. And thank you because you know what? I've been confused this whole time. And why? because this wasn't made until December after. If you read the back page, it describes in detail what that was. So So that's what that amendment,

right? But this did not come out until December after the election. And those funds and also the other point is I'm not making how much money I don't I don't even care about that. I don't even want to go there with you. I I really not that required to come out. One of the things that we were after the election there were May, there's May, June, August, October, November. um June again, October, lots of expenditures. And this was all from the same group that just set up the 501c. Yeah. But nothing was reported. Nothing until December. This is the same entity that's telling us. I don't trust them because they're telling us their

I don't know what their requirements are. I don't know anything about that. Um so that that was my question is right. But and my point is not to point at candidates or any of you, right? My point is to say to say that this entity, you know, that we're we're we're um they're fine and you know, they told us they're not going to do it like this. I'm really not trying to accuse them of anything, but I'm saying this is a significant thing that happened because of some reporting issues, because of transparency issues. So, which is the bottom line, right?

No, I mean it just gets very confusing when you've got different entity. Well, it's one entity. It has multiple names, multiple structures and and then you have something like this happen and it just that doesn't look good. And like Len says, it's not on you, the candidates, it's on them with their reporting and the lieutenant governor basically forcing them to report that after the fact, you know. So, but that's water in the bridge. What we're trying to figure out now is now they've set up a 51c4 and they're telling us everything went great after we've just experienced this. So, in the community there's a lot of questions and it's not a conspiracy. There's just questions of where is this money coming from? And so, back to the basics of where we were is Steve, if you can research your state laws and see if there's anything that we can incorporate in a to help us with our transparency, then then that would be great. And ideally, if we could do it by the next

you Oh, sorry. If we could do it by the next meeting, that'd be even better just because the goal would be to get some clarity on this before we get to the end of the selection. Yeah. So, it sounds like basically you're looking for kind of a summary of what the other two states have done in your Connecticut, how they uh in what way they required additional disclosure. That's kind of what you're Yeah. The real thing we're looking for is it's it's high level that is whatever they've done to encourage more disclosure. Is that something that we could do on a local level? That's the question. And what does current Utah state law say about that?

Yeah, there's not any Utah state law on it right now in terms of, you know, requiring 50c4 to disclose donors. There's no Utah loan. Excuse me. So it's it's just purely governed by the federal law which says they don't have to disclose donors. So and again you know these two states Connecticut and New York have have additional reporting disclosure requirements. I could look at that and see because I have a feeling that it's like they require disclosure under certain circumstances and we'd have to go in and find out what those are exactly and uh it could be pretty simple, right? I don't I I don't think their laws are going to be simple on it.

You're probably right. That's the same. Yes. I mean, the solution could be simple and and that would calm our community and frankly I don't like to hear any side either side, you know, attacking each other. I would just like to find a way to bring some transparency so there's peace. So, we're good with that. More info. Okay. Have your assignment. Thank you, Steve. Okay, let's move on. Uh we're item 2.4, Constitution Month activities.

Real quick. Yeah. So, this is our third year doing uh celebrating Constitution Month. And so, we've just got a kind of a lineup of things that we're going to do and promote to help uh residents celebrate the Constitution. So, we've set up the website.gov/constitution. We've got a bunch of service projects mainly happening the next two weeks, both in honor of the day of caring and uh 911 day of service. So, we're tying that all into Constitution. Um there's also the healing fields uh display at the mall which just went up yesterday where they put out a fun night for everyone that we lost September 11th. They have a little display there as well that teaches about that was on the news last night. Very impressive and it's just down at the at university place.

Um and they also have some some educational pieces too inside the book.

Um then we have um the UVU Center for Constitutional Studies. They have a two-day conference uh that they talk about constitutional issues and this year it's all about George Washington, his role in helping shape the Constitution both as a general and as our first president. So, that'll be really cool. We're helping get the word out on that. The library uh will have a week of constitutional themed books and resources for families to teach kids about the Constitution. So, those will be available starting the 17th. Then, we're doing our art contest again. So, kids and and adults could submit pieces of art that celebrate the Constitution and you'll have a chance to look at those and judge those. And then if if you'd like, we have one uh veteran who's willing to come in to our next city council meeting and talk about what it means to swear an oath to the Constitution and protect the Constitution, uphold it uh from the armed forces side. So, if that's something you're interested in, we can arrange that for next meeting. And then on top of that, we have um a law professor at BYU who's uh committed to do a video with us about how the US Constitution affects us here at the city level, at the local level, and kind of how the Constitution plays into our day-to-day activities. So, pretty fun full month uh just thinking about the Constitution and how great it is and what it's done for us as a nation.

That's the report. Okay, any questions, feedback? Bravo for efficiency. Very good, Peter. He always does a great job in this constitution month. It's uh it's something we started three years ago and it's it's gain momentum every year. So, good job. Keep it going and it looks like it's getting bigger this year. It'll be great. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next up, we've got item 2.5 uh Canice or events planner and Sydney.

Thank you. This just plugs into Hit the red. Hit that circle. word floating. I'll just say I I mentioned how much we're looking forward to the new myorum software. Well, the amount of anticipation and how much we're looking forward to that pales in comparison how much we're looking forward to the taste of aura. This is event that we tried to get going starting come together but that has just uh increased the amount of anticipation and momentum further. We're so excited to report on it because the closer and closer it gets, the more excited we get. A little scared, too, but that's okay. It's going to be really amazing and we're happy to. Okay, we are finally up and going. Yes. Well, we're happy to report on Taste of Oram and how it's doing so far as far as getting it up and off the ground in this very first year. So, it will take place on September 19th and 20th. So, on the 19th, we'll be having a kickoff concert. The Utah Life Concert Foundation is partnering with us on this event. And if you've ever been to their

Come Together Festival, you know that it is power-p packed with really fun entertainers. And it will be sure to um please everyone here with a variety of music and sound. On Friday, we'll have that kickoff concert from 5:00 to 10:00 p.m. So, plan mark that on your calendars. Plan on attending. And then on Saturday, September 20th. Um 12 to 8 is the food festival, but we also have live music starting at 9:00 a.m. till 10:00 p.m. Um and so they'll be fun all day long. And we have a couple things we wanted to chat about. So um this uh taste of or was designed to be an a little sampling of the food and music and culture that of our people here and our community here in Oram. So we have a few cultural booths that we'll be setting up um in uh at the event on Saturday that help to support cultures in our community. Some of these um booths will be I am so sorry if I butcher the name spel Ali Easi Productions El Chasuy Foundation Haitian Community in Utah and we're working on that finalizing that final one. We'll also have some art vendors of local artists that have handcraft art between and we have a variety of artists that are coming from jewelers to painters to pottery um folks and so uh clothing that's been designed on from local artists. So really fun art boutiques that'll be available. Do you want to talk about the kids crafts?

Yeah, we have some kids crafts and workshops. So alongside we wanted to have something fun for some of the kids. We have adopt a llama. Um so trying to figure out 100% what that one is. Um African drum workshop, the palm leaf um headbands and then that kind of ties into cultural performances. So um in the afternoon on September 20th in between some of those bands we have um Hope of Haiti coming Africa and Cultural Center um Alutasi Productions, Latin Dance Heritage and Viva Chile and they are doing like drum performances, dancing um I think there is hoola and um yeah it's been really awesome. Our commission's been really involved in helping us get this side prepared.

Yes. and we feel like just having this fun variety of entertainment and different interests that will attract people from all ages and all backgrounds. So, we're hoping to have a lot of attendees here. So, can I just ask something? I don't What's the Ali? It's um it's a Polynesian dance corporation. Oh, and just for next year, love that. But maybe is there an Asian group that we can find? Is there a European group that we can find? Yeah, we have limited amount of time slots this year, so we're hoping that next year we'll be able to have more slots available because we did try to approach several different backgrounds. Um, but this is these are the amount that we have.

Well, that's fabulous. I'm just I was just like, no, we've got those two continents we have. Yes, we would love to dabble in all of the areas. Um and so hopefully we can work in more of this kind of performances in our future events. Yeah. So, okay. So, we just wanted to kind of explain a little bit how it works at the food festival. So, we have these beautiful tickets. Oh, they're patched on. We'll give them something kind of Oh, yeah. Half sheet and a full sheet. I like this sheet. Yeah.

Okay. So, and we anticipate a half a sheet, which is 20 tickets, would get a person about uh six to seven um different mini entre that will fill you. We've had a really fun job lately because we've been taking pictures of the different entre and we get a partake of them and we have a hard time deciding which is our favorite and we've also been very full the past couple weeks. So 20 tickets will get you like fill a person for sure. Unless you want to sit all day, digest a little bit in between and be able to try all 20. We're, you know, up for the challenge. Definitely do that. We'll have plenty of entertainment in between. Okay. Um, so people will buy these tickets and then they'll just they're perforated tickets and then they'll just exchange them at the different food booths for the entre. and we're going to show you a sneak peek of the um different menu items that are available to give you a better idea. We do have pre-sale tickets available right now on um or.gov/taste and that will be open until the night that pre-sale will have tickets pre-sold at the kickoff concert as well on September 19th. Um so let's go ahead and

Denise, do they pick them up here? Do you mail them? Okay. So, if you ordered online, good, great question. If you ordered online, there will be a will call for pickup at the event, but if you buy them at the kickoff concert, then you'll just get your tickets right then. You can also pick them up that day. Um, at the Yeah, at the will call. So, say that again. The uh the site for them to pick them up if someone's watching and wanting to Oh, yes. Yes. orum.govtaste. If you Google taste of Orum, it is your top choice. No other place for me out there, guys.

And on that website, there is the ticket purchases, how it works, FAQs. Um, these pictures and like what will all be there are going to be up on the site tonight or tomorrow. Um, just trying to get a couple last pictures, but we'll get what's up there. This is a little bit of a sneak peek. We did. We have um six restaurants that we put on the slide. So, here are a couple of things. That is the number of tickets. They're all great and delicious. Um, and we've been posting about our restaurants and we'll go into a little bit about that. Um, do you have a recommendation say what if you have a family with three kids, four kids, how many tickets would

about how many? Um, with those mini bites. Um, I think that you probably could get away with just a full sheet for two people if the if the kids are just having little bites. Uh but 20 tickets for a very full adult we would say. So in between like little kids

and these again will be all up there with the number of tickets. So if you really want to do all the math and see what you want to taste, you can add it all up. Make sure you get the right amount of tickets. See what your kids were like. We have a really good variety um like of things that are really unique. And then also we have like there's mac and cheese and there's um burgers and you know there's chicken sandwich just different things and then there there's there's everything. Maybe just a note to that the half sheet and full sheets are available for pre-sale. You can buy a single ticket at the event and so if you underestimate by four you're not you know you're not committed to another 30 tickets you can just buy one.

Yes sir. We have that. Um, yeah. So, right now, like Bryce said, we're doing the full sheet and the half sheet up there. That's a screenshot from the um from the website and then the day of ticket sales on the bottom there. So, yeah. Um, one other just mention, if you are so stuffed and you're like, I don't know what to do with the rest of these tickets, we will be collecting extra tickets um as donations for the Gold Star U monuments. So that's how people can I'm full. I'm tapping out. They can just drop them in the bucket and use those towards the monument. Perfect. Perfect. All right. We have a little behind the scenes, but do you guys have any questions so far?

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All right, so a couple of wins so far. We do have 20 restaurants that are ready to go. We've personally met and visited all of them. Um, and they're very excited and they definitely feel the support of the city. We've talked to a lot of them. They're very excited. We focus on brick andmortar um or you know permanently like established uh businesses restaurants in Oram. Um, a lot of them are feeling the love. they've been in other cities, they feel that ORM has really supported them. Um, it's a great tie with ORM Business Alliance getting them to feel um, appreciated for being in ORM. Um, we have sold $6,000, a little bit more than that in freezing already. And we know this last couple weeks will be the biggest um, push. So, we're excited for that. We've got a really good positive social media response. We've been a lot of videos, a lot of ads, a lot of people are sharing. All the feedback um is really good. People are really excited to see what's there, how many tickets they can buy. They're sharing with their friends and then all of our staff is ready to go. Um we've got a lot of practice or impress, but we had a meeting this week. We had um you know, police and fire and all of them involved and um parks and everybody were ready um for an exciting couple days. Um, and although we're making it sound like this is off to an amazing start, it's gonna be perfect. It hasn't been without its challenges, it is a very first year event. And um, so everything has been having to develop being developed by scratch essentially. We've had some great inspiration from Taste of Edmonton, Sydney's hometown. Um, but legal, thank you. We've had tons of agreements that and contracts that have been new that have had to go through approval processes. Um lots of questions from the restaurants

and we are like that's a good question. We don't know. Let's get back to you. Um concerns from restaurants of participating and giving up a Saturday and having enough staff to staff not only their brick and mortar but this event as well and just having that buy in. And so um we are so grateful to have 20 restaurants that have said yes taking a chance on us.

Yes. So grateful for that. Um there have like definitely if it was a dream world out there we would have way more time. Um we are feeling the crunch right now with getting everything ready to be able to put on the website to be able to print to um have banners in place and all the wayinders and everything. So, we're definitely feeling crunch, although even with all the time with Ormfest, we still feel this way. So, um and then also we're so grateful to have um this the entertainment taken care of by the Utah Live Concert Foundations, but um as with any new partnership, there's, you know, different hiccups and priorities and vision of the event. And so just trying to help navigate that has been um has been interesting and challenging as well. Um we feel like it's going to be a really great event and um but it hasn't been without it challenges. So um do you have any questions about a little more of the behind the scenes? And

we probably should have done the other way. Challenges then the wins, but that's okay. Try to get the wins. Go have 20. I was listen. But it's okay. Did you have a question?

I don't have a question. I just have a comment. Um, I am so excited about this. This has been a dream for years and the opportunity of bringing different cultures together and we do that in a lot of different ways but I think the opportunity bringing different cultures together to experience different foods, dance, music, some rock and roll going on on the stage. Um I think it's a it's awesome. Thank you for doing this and and making it happen. Um I I think this will become another ORUM hit. Uh and you know the the hope is you know with everything that we do is to bring people together. But I I hope in bringing all these cultures together that it feels like one big happy ORUM family.

Yeah. We're all part of the same community and family and uh we can be good neighbors and friends and get along and each other. Thank you for doing this. Yeah. That's our hoped and we would love obviously to see all of you guys there. We would love your feedback, what you guys hear from residents. Um the good, the bad, the ugly, everything. Obviously, it's the first year. There's a lot of things that we have already been, you know, we'll do this better like next year we'll fix this. So, anything you guys hear um when we have like the post review or whatever video, you have someone like me who is just likes meat and potatoes. That's

what I do. I'm afraid to try new things like it and just have them like cuz I will love this cuz I'm going to go try and I'm not I'm going to be like, "Oh, I tried this ceviche and and it did cost me 50 bucks or you know I could see if I liked it or not." I love it that you Yeah. And that's that's the point is like I think a lot of these restaurants people would go to but it's scary to bring your family and bring you know spend $100 and you don't know if they're going to like it. But here you can get a little taste and then we have encouraged a lot of the restaurants to you know give some incentives to come back to their restaurants. We'll be doing a couple giveaways. Um, we've been doing videos and then hopefully, yeah, next year we'll ramp it up. Really fun. Are we doing the like the senior center parking lot maybe is for disabled parking or

um I'm glad that you asked that. So, we actually um have all of the senior center. We're not reserving any of that for any reason at all. So, all of that is totally open. So, it will have all those senior parkings that's available, all the disability parking. Same with this north lot. The only lot that we have some reservations are in or that we're reserving is the south parking lot and that will have food vendors and also for the council and we have some sponsorship as well. So that that will be the only reserved lot. Yeah. So there should be enough of the ADA parking and then we because we're taking up two of the spots in the south one those ones will go up temporary in the north parking lot

temporary signs that it's more hand you know disabled instead of not because we had a lot of complaints at Orangefest because yes they learned and hopefully um this by that never mind I won't say but this one will also be a lot of in and out of um because it's so long. It won't be it won't be um as like there's no grand huge fireworks thing. So, we hopefully we'll have a little bit more flow and that will also help with the parking and traffic. That's really important. Yeah. Bans. Have you got Have you guys pushed it at all at farmers market? Have we pushed it at all?

Yeah. So, we're going out tomorrow night and uh flyers and go out the window. It seemed like that's a natural crowd that the people who will be there are most likely to be there. So yeah, we got that planned. The videos are filmed at the farmers market. Um get that feeling another one tomorrow. Remind everybody when it starts on Friday when it ends on Saturday. Yes, exactly. 5 to 10 Friday. Um music starting at 9:00 but 12 to 8 for food on Saturday. That'll be the biggest one. Um, and speaking of pushing, we have some flyers for you all to be able to push to your circles and then we also have um some tickets for our council. And

I think you should make us buy them. Well, we're only going to give you one shake. So, bring your families and that might not be enough. But we're just going to pass this around unless there are any other questions for us. Thank you. over your money. Okay. My sheet. Oh, sorry. I'll show you my What's a discount? No discount. You know, buy them when you like a little, you know.

All right. not fair. Thank you guys for that presentation and getting everybody up to speed on that. We're excited.

Um Brenbot brought up that you should all be like sufficiently hungry now after watching all this delicious food. So our food is here. Um why don't we take a break and food and then we'll come back and we got a final presentation. Uh then we need to go over the agenda. So just we'll just take a short five minute break to get the food back and organized and then we'll continue on. Do you have a volunteer for the prayer on the blessing on the food? My beloved father in heaven, we're so grateful for the opportunity we have to live in this great country and to be residents of this great city and to serve in the capacity that we serve. We are grateful for the opportunity to represent those around us and to learn and grow in all the areas of life that we see around us. We are grateful for the staff and their diligence in all that they do. At this time, Father, we'd like to offer a blessing upon the food that we're about to partake of that may give us nourishment and strength, and we can use that strength in serving thee and those around us. These favors and blessings we pray for in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

I'm 30 minutes early.

We have a presentation holster from United Way.4 or 2.6. Um,

good afternoon everybody. for that presentation on the food um event. I'm that I'm starving now. So, you know where you sent me um let me share what I want to share with you and I presume I probably need to cut a few minutes with the count of time here. Every three years and many of you have been on this council when I come before we do a study about community issues about what the issues are, what the data show, what public perception shows and I've got the same here this year. We have numerous partners that partner with us and we're really kind of talking about we really are focusing which I think is appropriate from the city what some of the stresses are hitting our families. I'm going to go through some really quick quick data but let me first show you here what's on people's minds. The dark blue is quality of is 2025. The light blue is 2022. So different issues become more important and less important over time. And I'll go to more let me go some more detail on this. Let me go this one right here. Issue that people are concerned about. Let me just the issue of growth continues to dominate all discussion. Everybody's worried about the growth and we talk more about where that growth is coming from. Some issues are becoming less concerning to people yet our data shows that they are actually in worse shape. I'm going to show more specifics on that. Let me let me go back here. Um let me show you one of my favorite slides and we'll come back and give you some more data. Um the data shows in Utah County that we're really young. 25.5 is the average age in Utah County. That we did not age. We're barely aging, which I think is very comforting for those of us that been a job for multiple decades. The data shows that we're not aging here. This we're not aging. We're staying young. And that's a critical piece that makes Utah County and ORM different than almost anywhere in America. We are the youngest county of any size. There's a

tiny county somewhere else a little younger than us, but of any size, we're the youngest county in America. Where this growth, what changed a lot in Utah County is where the growth came from. until recently all the growth and I have no idea why this is pixelating so strangely but what is what used to be that all of our growth was our own birth rates our own natural growth I used to refer to our natural our local production our local manufacturing was our original growth in recent years that changed and it became that our our growth was coming from outside migration in so until co it majority of our growth was our own kids having kids and us having kids. That changed through co and now a higher percentage of our people are coming in from out of state or out from another community. And yes, our research shows that much of that growth coming in from outside are people that have connections to Utah County already, whether they are they're coming back to be with mom and dad, whether they went to school here. But we're not finding that. We're not finding majority population coming in saying, "Gee, where's Utah? I'm going to try moving to Utah." Connection. But our local birth rates are down. Um, more people coming in from the outside.

How do we stay young? How did that other slide show that? How lying about your age, Bill? That's Yeah, that could be it, Tom. Right.

A lot of a lot of our outside growth are coming in. It's we for a while thought the outside growth people thought it was just all the retirees coming in from California. It turns in that a lot of young families are also moving back. So the pandemic brought a lot of young families telecomuters people had other jobs back people etc brought them in. Um our people coming in continue to be highly educated continue to be um less poverty than other places etc. Um and so but our growth you look at our growth circles here this is projecting 2030 20 240 2050 up to 2060 here and you see this growth where it's happening

the projections put you not as much growth but provo still shows major growth ahead in all the projections this growth by the way contrary to the rumors Salt Lake keeps it stays bigger than Utah Sorry, but we just we're kept closer and closer to the the current. Let me keep going here. Housing prices median housing prices have gone up since 2015 72%. That's by the way for maybe my guys can help me. That's a big number, right? Is that a big number B? Yeah. Big number.

You can buy my books. The part that is really significant on the housing is that we the our gap in housing really started happening during that recession of 0809. We have not recovered in housing starts in Utah County in Utah and frankly in the country the we've not recovered the gap in housing since then. our our birth rate alone was not the housing was not even keed up with our birth rate let alone outside people coming in price for two-bedroom rentals up 68%. Three-bedroom rentals up 57%. Studio apartments up 39%. Three bedroom 51% increase. So almost a 51% increase for housing costs and when a lot of our families are struggling we'll come back and talk about the effect on that the struggle wins. By the way, the number one need we get from our two in one is housing costs. Um the other areas that we're worried about and you and I have talked about this numerous times feeling sad and hopeless that number continues to climb. Although a third of our kids are struggling in that aspect and the problem when I share this data no one ever says oh that can't be. Most of us are saying yeah I know that I see that everywhere. What age is you here?

This here is junior high, high school. But here's my worry. Public's perception's concern about these issues is plummeting. The issue is getting worse. And people on a scale of 1 to five, how bad is the problem? Before CO, we had two, we had 44 or 4.4. We're now down to 2.7. basically almost half people's concern about this issue. The the data shows the issue got worse and we don't care.

We care less. I refer to this as issue fatigue. Our communities are experiencing issue fatigue. Somewhat just giving up on certain things. Let me keep going here. We've been measuring third grade reading scores for a long time. Do you know the data on third grade reading scores? If you're not reading grade level third grade, your chance of not graduating increases fourfold. If you're low income increases six to 13 times. In fact, there's some studies, there's some states that allegedly use the reading rates to project incarceration rates. There's a correlation there. The worry here that we have is that number of children not reading into kindergarten, basically kindergarten readiness, we've gotten worse. It got worse in the last. So, we're less ready for kindergarten and people's concern about education got cut in half again. We're getting distracted. But our but issue fatigue, there's hardly an issue that matters more in our community than our early our kids' education. If you're not reading at grade level early, it affects so many aspects of your life. not only mental health, it affects your desire to through employment. It affects your great correlation between not reading and incarceration, the whole bit. We also just have some statewide data that shows that increasing number of kids are not being read to daily and we certainly know and there's lots of studies that parents are not coping well. The data shows and the surveying showing that parents under stress is real. Couple just data points on that. parents under stress. You can barely afford the rent, you can be more stressed out household. If you can barely afford the rent, you may have to take extra job which even puts more pressure on that. Then you add another little parallel. I want to be careful I say this. But this whole increase of

juvenile anxiety and depression a lot of those are now adults parents and anxious parent creates anxious child. So parental support become one of the key things that we have to deal with in community bar. Here's one that I want I brought up particularly for your group. The question about your neighborhood. There's some conflicting data here. The one I think is most intriguing to me here is it it is difficult to find friends in this neighborhood. 55%. Um I like it. My neighborhood still says 63% people want to move out of their neighborhood in Utah County, which what seems opposite. They like the neighbor, they still want to move out of the neighborhood. But this number here is what I want you to focus on. But let me go to one more data point that I think is probably even more important here. Six out of 10 people in Utah County miss having more people around them. I don't know if I shared with you the Have I shared you the data about loneliness epidemic? Loneliness is worse for your health than smoking 15 cigarettes a day. This is the surgeon general's report. Loneliness is worse for your health than obesity. Loneliness is worse than inactivity. I might add the surgeon general's report that I'm referencing was was done by researchers from Brigham Young University. So, it's our friends right here who did this research. But loneliness is becoming a problem. We still have elaborated we still have about 22% of our population feel they have nobody around they can rely on. And I'm guessing frankly in both of your worlds you run into the people who are in that category who are calling EMS services when most of us would have called the neighbor

family or family. Right. So um let me

then I come back and talk a little bit more about it. Summary is income is outpacing costs are out embracing income. Our mental and emotional well-being is not being taken care of. Our social connections are weakening and we have educational gaps. Let me give you a couple just very more philosophical thoughts here um about this. So, as I talk to a lot of you folks here in the city, I love it when we talk about community connections and the need to be connected. Um, let me share a couple quick stories here that happened in this community here. Um, I'm um, you know, I'm a pretty sophisticated guy. I was going to a fancy restaurant called Burger King a few weeks ago, a few months ago, now about a year and a half ago.

And I follow the story, but I follow the story. I drove into the into the drive-thru and the microphone, the lady said, "We're so short staff. It'll be a few minutes before I can get to you." She was very apologetic. She got back on. I said, "No problem. No problem." She recognized my voice and she called me diet Dr. Pepper with strawberry cuz she knew my drink. I pulled around the corner to her thing and in tears she said, "I needed someone to be nice to me today. I needed someone to be nice to me today." Fast forwarding that story about now, probably this was probably was a month ago. I was doing one of my favorites, you know, same fancy meals over there and I pulled up and she said, "Can I talk to you for a second? I'm just in the drivethru." She goes, "Yes." She goes, "I just found out my sister passed away. I needed someone that I could tell that to that would care." What I'm telling you is a community. you have a focus in our communities as we create elements dialogue is we've got to find a way for people to connect with each other more. Let me tell you one more learn learning. Um I have a now six-month old grandbaby. I noticed when she was 3 months old little Emma if I turned my head from her what would Emma do. At 3 months old, she noticed if I was looking at her. I was talking to a child psychiatrist last night on the phone as referring for an event tonight. There is no research that shows that we ever go past the need to be seen. One of our fundamental challenges in our communities that people are not being seen. They're being isolated. They're alone. We design parks with park benches sometimes far away from each other. We we know that our parents are on the phones instead of watching their kids. But I'm saying if we talk about your community, what do we do to help people be seen?

How do we help people connect with each other? Let me give you a couple more data points and I'll open up for questions. The um there are two main principles that I have in all the research I've read that seem to come the two main things that make a difference of a quality neighborhood. I use this data as the back. The number one thing that's essential in neighborhoods is the number of neighbors that know each other. That's one of them. And that alone, Robert Putnham was the first to research this. That alone lowers crime. Neighbors know each other lowers crime and it lowers EMS phone calls. Neighbors know each other. The second point that we often forget is the feeling of self-efficacy. The belief that that person themselves has the ability and the tools to make a difference. That their voice matters. That they matter. So it's not a matter of investors going and providing a service. It's giving those neighbors that feeling they have some sort of control. So those are the two things that affect neighborhoods. Those same thing that affect neighborhoods are the same things that will ultimately affect a child's success in school. The more adults that know a child's name, the better the more there's tons of research, the more successful they're going to be. So I'm giving you all sorts of data about where we are in Utah County. I do have and I can I will normally not share publicly city some city specific data on some of these areas I don't want but if you want to talk more behind the scenes about what we see in some data but I am telling you that with great certainty that our communities are not seeing each other the way they used to that people are less connected and people are more isolated. Let me give you one more little piece of isolation that I somewhat I want to carefully say because I don't want to get stuck in a political fight but I'll say I'll say the concept as we started creating lots and lots of choices for schools for kids. We did not compensate for that by parents and kids knowing each other. So it used to be on your street all the

kids knew each other cuz went to the same elementary school and all the moms and dads knew each other because they went to the same PTA. Y that's not happen anymore. I'm not going to get into the argument good or bad on that. But I will say we as communities have not figured how to compensate for that. So our communities are not as well connected as they used to be. Our kids are not as well connected as they used to be. And that's very dangerous for the future of our kids. Am I am I wrong on that one? No, you're exactly right. The neighborhood school model has social benefits. And I'm not trying to say we have to go back to that. I'm just saying we have to figure out how to compensate for a podcast on this. You know, Ryan is keeping up a bowling league. Congratulations. People used to do that. Very few people do that alone. Y

people used to go to church more often than they do now. They used to participate in a lot of activities. They don't because they're doing this and and even since co we have not recovered since co our connections. People got too comfortable with a lack of connection. I might add that research on the on the isolation applies to introverts as much as to extroverts. Questions, comments, thoughts? Okay. Question, questions. So, and I know you say you have it. We'll get it from you, but I would be very interested in how you did your survey. If you targeted certain areas of we did we did we our survey we would our survey would not have been stratified by city but not by areas within the city.

Okay. So, we we stratifi we did a weighted average across the entire county. Um, other data pieces that we do know is that our higher growth areas have greater disconnections and and that's not that's even countering economic. And I'm asking this because just last week I had someone say to me, you know, I've got these whatever apartments in my area. I can't even get in the door to go meet.

We um, you're getting me where I get myself in trouble here, but Ren likes when I get myself in trouble. Gary likes me more when I get myself in trouble. Um there are design elements that we need to keep thinking about literally how it creates community how we connect with people. Um more white people want the gay communities etc that whatever but but they the need to connect there lots of sociologists telling us what where the disconnection started television in 1963 the mass penetration. Some say it's the clothes dryer that kept us inside. Some say it's air conditioning. One of my favorites is the the automatic garage door opener. Um, how many of us have ever this this clip right here? How many of you have ever seen somebody come across the street to say hi and you're kind of tired? You pull into your garage. You say, "I'm going to pretend I didn't see them close the garage door." Am I alone? Just a salesman.

Just a salesman. But but I'm just saying so we there are so let me let me give you my my response on this. We had to proactively create a culture that saying hi is okay again. That connecting is okay again. We have to give people more permission to connect. We have to teach them how to connect and we have to create opportunities to connect. That's why I think your your um food festival sounds fantastic.

Say something on that. So, we spent some time up at a hospital in Salt Lake a couple years ago and it was really interesting. They actually put up a sign that said um at 5t you smile, at 10 feet you say hello or 10 feet you smile, 5 feet you say hello. And I was like because we're all walking down the hall just dealing with our own issues, right? But it was so interesting how important that connection was in that arena too. Just to smile to me.

I think the idea of being courtesy wave makes a lot of sense. But the idea that we have to start teaching people and public modeling behavior that we say hello and smile to everybody that the people in the park says they're mowing the lawns or waving we it takes a small number of tradition but all the data shows that we've gone the wrong way. I guess the big takeaway for me and why we have Bill come back every couple years and share this information is because we often talk about events, communication, parks that those are quote unquote quality of life, but in fact they are becoming more and more. And so what we're doing as a city to provide these connection points, to provide these opportunities for a community to come together, it it isn't just a want. It isn't just a nice thing. It's a real need that provides real benefit to to our our residents and and really in unquantifiable ways.

So well stated it will affect your educational outcomes. The city been very involved with trying to improve educational outcomes and change the districts. It will affect health outcomes. It will affect crime outcomes if we can do some of those things. And the key so I love it. For example, when when the fire department will pull as time to pull a fire engine into a neighborhood and saying we're going to be here to tomorrow afternoon for an hour, let everyone come out and see it. That doesn't that doesn't fire department called triangulation and that people need an inic or purpose something to me at other thoughts, questions, complaints? Are you going to throw any stones at me or

think you're not nice to walk into your garage? I agree with you, Tom. Yeah. Yes. Like outliner best practices.

It's multiple levels. The one level is the design element. So it's making sure that parks are not just designed for formal group but designed for intimate. A simple example is you put two park benches like this right next to each other instead of spacing them around. You put them like this so they can talk to each other. So mom can say your kid that's cute. I mean that kind of a thing. So it so design process that matters. The second thing is probably teaching and encouraging your teams to find ways to interact and more than ever before. And so I'm going to pick on the fire department for a second. Do you mind if I pick on I usually pick on the police, but I pick on the fire? When I go to Smiths quite regularly here, I'll see some of your firefighters buying groceries. Say, "By the way, you're buying groceries. Don't don't get rers to say hi to people and not them as you walk through the aisles." Teaching the library just to make sure they're making a greeting. I mean, I go to Disneyland cuz my daughter works for Disney. They have a they'll wave at you. They say hi to you. If we could have a whole community culture of our staffs doing that with the public workers are working just if we find a way just to create that culture of we're friendly, we say hi, we engage people, we smile. That's your second point. The third thing is you have to keep giving permission to connect. You have to keep reminding people how this is essential. Whether it be having campaigns to get to know your neighbor, whether you have a contest to get to know your neighbor. What we forget is the neighbor of proximity, the neighbor of place still matters. The neighbor of place has been replaced by many by technology etc. One interesting sidebar on that and this is if you think I stepped in talk about schools, let me throw one more thing here. Talk about families. Sometimes our overly family culture excludes others in the respect that I mean you think my house who do I have over my house on Sunday dinner my kids.

And so I've been trying to figure out how do I of course I want my kids over but maybe I can invite another family over occasionally also. But I mean the thing about our culture we're we're so good on that one and that maybe we can kind of open that door that circle just a little bit. make that circle a horseshoe. I've probably taken I know you you have meaning to start in. So I want to let you know that we appreciate I know I know most of you here. Um I've enjoyed working with you and you probably know by now I'm very restless on these topics. Um last week believe it or not Brandon was my 42nd anniversary with thank you Tom and I am still restless and let's just make sure as we grow bigger that we grow better. But I think I think ORM city I cannot think of a city who's better positioned to address some of these issues. This has been your focus around families. This has been your focus around community. I would love to engage with you away from anything that we have learned as I have been a student of neighborhoods for the last 40ome years. Um we can be a better community. So thank you.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you Bill. Oh, very very good information. You want a copy of

Thank you. Thank you everybody. All righty. Go ahead and wrap up here. Do you want to defense you've seen? So defense commission uh you just saw their taste of arms page. So they're still kind of trying to get their feet under them but they transition from usually led to now maybe a little bit more cityip in there. So this will be fun first event. Um the national resources advisory commission we met last week. It was a great discussion with Bryce shared about plans for this uh area here between the library the library area outdoor area where the nursery is going to be. We solicited engagement from that commission to give advice and think about how we could um make it more sustainable and engage the community there which is great. And then our youth council um met for the first time last week which was really fun to see all of the different students from all the different schools across the community and they were excited and energetic and we played a fun game about trivia for ORM and I'm excited to see what they're going to do this year. I think they're planning a visit to council meeting one day so we will get to see them and smile at them. So that's the

Okay. Thank you. That was the record. Yes. Pick a page from Peter's book. Yeah. We'll run through the agenda tonight or tonight's agenda. It's fairly short. Um the shortest ones ever actually. So what I'm not even going All right. Actually, that's a good guess if you session. Was that still on the agenda? Vegas. Make it seven. Buy everybody ice cream. Okay. So, hey Gary just offered ice cream if we

Oh, really? Gary, you going to hold you to that? You going to hold? You're out at 7. I'll I'll bring ice cream including the close session or that doesn't count. That doesn't count. He can go home. He doesn't get doesn't have to come. I don't have to go to the closed door. That's a bad Tell me when, Jerry. All right. We need to tell you our favorite ice cream flavor now.

So, we've got uh item eight, mayor's report, items by council. We've got uh presentation from Mark Anderson about life-saving recognition 8.2 presentation 911 day of service uh 8.3 presentation my hometown and 8 presentation the summer reading wrap-up. Did Bren talk to you about the Oh, it's later on. No, it's right. Oh, I need to move that over here. Thanks. I didn't hear it. That's all. Right. Because I didn't say it. So that's why I didn't hear it. We're on the same page. Um, so yes, there will be a TR tribute to Andy Jacobs.

But you might recall I tried to do that two weeks ago, but his family wasn't here. I'm going to do that today. His family's supposed to be here. Okay. And we might just have them stand, mayor, or something to that effect. They won't stand through the tribute, but maybe you can have his widow stand and just say you could express condolences to recognize. Yeah. Before you. No, I think when I'm done, just say or whenever you'd like to, mayor. Okay. Okay, I'll have you do it. Well, okay. You want me to do the recognition of her, too? Do you want me to have her stand? Just take Okay, I'll take care of the whole thing. Thanks. Okay. So, and we'll do you first. You'll be Item right after the pledge. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The pledge.

Then we got item nine, personal appearances. Um, you better be hoping there's a lot of people so you can win this. Going to go sign up. You only get three minutes. I'll help you pay for the ice cream, Karen. Don't worry. And item 10, consent items, uh, approval of meeting minutes from August 26th, a reappoint, public sports advisory commission, and an ordinance of business license revocation amendments. Um, and then item 11, C, manager information items, and then then we'll adjourn to a close session in the summit conference room.

There you have it. So, turns to the council meeting. Thank you. Oh my god. It was literally like It's okay.

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Yeah. When are you going to get up on the top level again? That was not Am I sitting in your chair? That's your move. Thank you. like to welcome everyone here tonight and we'll call this meeting to order. We'll start out with an invocation from Todd Cington followed by a pledge of allegiance by our fire and honor guard. And I invited or actually my wife

invited Todd uh to come tonight for the opening prayer. And uh Todd we met on one of our ribbon cutings. Um, it was for the uh

foot solutions. Yes, it was shoe store foot sol. It was for foot solutions. Anyway, um, so that was kind of a random occurrence except he was able to help us out with our foot needs for our foot solutions and ever since then we've been friends. So ran into him, my wife did, and uh she's one of his big fans and invite him to to give our prayer tonight. So he's a good member of the community. So, if you'd like to come up and give the opening prayer Thank you, Todd. Now have the pledge of allegiance by our fire and police honor guard.

Thank you. Thank you for that with our fire and police do a great job. Tonight we'll start off with items 81 through 84. And we've got a a special tribute that uh Tom McDonald would like to make. Thank you. I'm happy to pay a tribute to Andrew Dwayne Jacobs, although no one called him that. To Andy Jacobs. His family is here with us. Could they please stand for a moment just so you know who they are? I won't ask you to stand through my whole reading, but we'll recognize you maybe again at the end. Please. Thank you. If you go ahead and sit down, I'd like to take a moment today to honor the life and legacy of Andrew Dwayne Jacobs, a beloved lifelong resident of Orm City, who passed away last month at the age of 50. Though his time was with us was far too short, Andy's impact on the community was immeasurable, a legacy more than worthy of a full-time life. Andrew's greatest devotion was to his family. He leaves behind his beautiful wife and best friend Cammy, the love of his life, along with their four children, Sydney, Maya, Cam, and Tai, and two in-laws, Braden, and Ashton, and one grandson, Ollie, and a grandson, Cooper, who arrived shortly after Andy's passing. His family was his bride and Joy, and his love for them was at the very center of his life. Andy's love for running became a lifelong passion and the foundation of countless relationships, life lessons, and opportunities to serve. The journey began when he was just eight years old when he won the age group at the Ronald McDonald 5K run. From then on, he was hooked. He ran with the Orm City Track Club where he first met Cammy and later competed for ORM High School's cross country and track teams all four years. After graduation, he continued his running career at Utah Valley, proudly

competing on their very first men's cross country team. In 2004, Andy returned to ORM High School as a coach for the cross country and track teams. For over 20 years, it became his second home. And I witnessed him running with the students, not just driving a riding a bike by their side. During those years, Andy's positive influence extended well beyond the track at ORM High. In the past few weeks, ORM High School has received numerous phone calls from schools and organizations across the western United States, relating how the now vacant role Andy had played in their lives, schools and organization. On the field, Andy's competitors considered him quote a pain in the butt. As quoted from a rival coach at a visual held at Orm High Track last month, Andy was indeed a very successful coach, winning multiple state titles and sending many athletes to the next level. But as much as he loved Winnie, Andy took a much ro a role much larger than that. His athletes meant the world to him and he was far more than a coach to them. He was a mentor, a role model, and for many, a father figure. He invested not only in their athletic development but also in their growth as human beings. Andy's encouragement, energy, and belief in others brought out the best in everyone he came in contact with. And he will always be remembered as one of the greatest coaches of our time. His influence touched thousands of lives from the many youth of Orm and their parents and families to the fellow coaches, coaches, and competitors as well as friends and those he associated with in his professional and church service. His day-to-day interactions, uplifting, thoughtful, and grounded in genuine care, are what made Andy unforgettable. His enthusiasm was contagious, his optimism unshakable, his love for people unmatched. In honoring Andy, we're reminded of the

challenge he leaves with each of us to fill his running shoes, not in miles, but in kindness, encouragement, and everyday positivity. Andy Jacobs will be forever remembered as one of the greats, a cherished citizen of Warm City who ran ra who ran the race of life with unmatched heart and left us all better for knowing him. We invite everyone to love like Andy. Family, could you stand one more time as we recognize you and him and we'll engage in a little hand clapping and unreverent behavior. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for giving me that opportunity.

Thank you, Tom. We appreciate that, and we wish Andy's family our condolences. We'll move on to item 8.1. This is a recognition, a life life-saving recognition, and our fire chief, Mark Sanderson, will present. We know how to save lives, but we don't know how to turn microphones on. So, Mayor, Council, Mr. Bby, thank you for this opportunity. You can see we've packed the room with a number of caregivers for a very special event tonight. Um, mayor, given the challenge while providing our department the necessary support to be the best department in the state, it's my honor to kick off this life-saving recognition award tonight. First and foremost, my thanks and gratitude goes out to the men and women of ORM Fire Department. Each one of them are exceptional people as well as outstanding caregivers. Our our people truly save lives. It's my opportunity at this time to also thank uh the family and spouses of those that are in attendance tonight. It's because of their support for our individual employees that make us give us the opportunity to deliver the services that we do. At this point, I'd like to turn some time over to Chris Shields. She currently works for HCA out of Tempenogus Hospital and she's going to walk us through the the event that's taking place, brings us here tonight.

That kind of moves turns really easy. Um, good evening, uh, Mayor Young and city council members. Um if the chief of police, Chief Adams is if he is here, um ORM fire and ORM community members, um thank you so much for for letting us be here. We are so grateful that we're here. My name is Chris Shields and I'm the director of EMS relations and I work for HA Healthcare and Tipponogus Hospital. We are honored to be here tonight to recognize the incredible teamwork and life-saving efforts that directly impacted a member of the local community. Tonight we will celebrate the coordinated response and care provided by two bystanders that were on the Tenonogus trail dispatchers or police department or fire department. The crew and the critical care paramedic squad typonogus hospital emergency department kath lab and ICU. But most importantly, we honor the patient David Snow and his wife Carla Kay and their family. In most professions, when saving lives is part of a daily routine, many of our heroes shy away from the spotlight. But tonight, we pause to celebrate a personal victory, a life saved, a husband, father, grandfather, and friend. On June 24th, 2025, David Snow, a passionate cyclist, had big plans to celebrate his 61st birthday. He decided to kick off the day with a 61m bike ride. One mile for every year life year of life. Before heading out, he called his wife Carla Kay to let her know his plans. A afternoon ride, a shower, and then dinner for the whole family to celebrate that evening.

But life had another plan. About 30 miles into his bike ride, David stopped at a local business to refill his water bottles and to chat briefly with family. He felt strong and energized and excited to finish the ride. He called Card to check in and then he hopped back on his bike. Two miles later.

Can you just pause for one second? We've got microphone issue. Does that one work? That one works.

Okay. Two miles later, everything changed. David began to experience chest pain. He stopped immediately and called Carla Kay, telling her that he didn't feel well and he needed to for her to come and get him. He described his location as the mouth of the canyon, but couldn't give an exact address. Carl Kay quickly headed toward the canyon view park, hoping to find him. That afternoon, Susanna Trenner considered going for a ride. It was hot outside and she debate she debated whether it was a good idea. Ultimately, she decided to go. She chose she chose a trail that she hadn't been on for 2 years. And uh one that she knew very very well before her her LDS mission. Susanna's watch was broken that day, so she brought her phone with her on the run, something she normally doesn't do. She stated she started out with a spe with a specific turnaround point in mind, but when she reached that point, she decided to continue a little farther to the water fountain that she liked along the trail. These decisions to go for a run despite the heat, to bring her phone, and to extend her route slightly ultimately placed her at the exact location where someone needed to immediate help. At Canyon View Park, Carla Kay, David's wife, had just arrived. She called David again. Carla Kay, where are you? Can you walk out? David, no. Call 911. Carday, I don't know where you are or how to send a 911 to you. David, I'm on the path in the canyon. Meanwhile, Kevin Oakiff, another trailgoer, noticed David lying on the on his back on the side of the

trail next to the bike. Concerned, he approached and asked David if he needed help. David replied that his wife was on it on her way to pick him up. David offered to help locate her and began heading down the trail to to find Carne. As Susanna was running, he saw Dave She saw David laying on the trail on his back on his back with his hand on his chest. He looked tired, sweaty, and didn't look right. She continued running for about 20 to 30 seconds, but had an increased sense of uneasiness that something was wrong. So, she turned around and returned to where David was lying. She asked David if he was okay. He said no, but a guy just left to go find my wife. That guy was Kevin. Just after that conversation, she heard troubling a troubling sound, gurgling. It appeared like David was having a seizure. She immediately called 911 at 3:33 p.m. Kevin also heard this gurgling and quickly returned to David. Susanna's 911 call was answered by dispatcher Heather Finn. With Susanna's phone on speaker, Heather guided Kevin through steps to begin CPR on David while the dispatcher while while dispatcher Britney Ferrell dispatched units including Orum Fire to the scene at 3:36. Carla Kay pinned David's phone location and begin and began walking toward him on the trail. She was only two ten of a mile away. As she got closer, she saw a woman on the phone and a man performing CPR. In her heart, it sank and she knew that it was David. Carla Carla Kay stood overlooking

CPR being done on her husband, something that none of us can imagine. After approximately 8 minutes, Officer Steam Steamlick arrived and immediately took over chest compressions. Susanna and Carla stood together waiting as additional help arrived. Officer Robin Robinson assisted by directing the EMS crew to David's location on the trail. At 3:43, 10 minutes after David went into cardiac arrest, ORM fire personnel arrived on scene and assumed care. While ORM fire crews provided emergency care to David, Carla Kay remained nearby with Susanna who was providing support. David was unresponsive as the crew and the critical care paramedics worked to stabilize him him. Shortly after Carl Kay's shortly a shortly after Carla Kay her two brothers and daughter arrived on scene the family stood together visibly distressed and watched as the efforts to save Dave's life. Approximately 20 minutes after Kevin began CPR, the fire captain approached Carday to provide the update. He explained with compassion and professionalism that the team had been doing everything possible to resuscitate David. Per protocol, they would continue efforts for a few more minutes before considering to termination of resuscitation. At that point, the crew had already performed multiple advanced life-saving interventions, including the use of the Lucas, the mechanical CPR device, two defibrillation shocks, intubation, IV and IO access, and administration of

several critical medications. CPR had been going for a total of 27 minutes. Just prior to calling the efforts, things changed. At 4:00, David regained a pulse at a blood pressure. It had been 27 minutes since David suffered cardiac arrest. CPR had been performed continuously from the moment it began at 3:33. And now, against all odds, Rossque, return of spontaneous circulation, was achieved. It was nothing short of a miracle. The crew quickly stabilized David and carefully packaged him for transport. At 407, they began transport to Tempenogus Hospital emergency department. In route, they placed David on a ventilator and continued all of the treatment that they had started on scene. The crew quickly notified the ED and provided a full report. David was trying to breathe and move on his move on it on his own. They arrived at Typonogus emergency room at 4:13 where the critical care team was already assembled and prepared to take over. In the ED, David was trying to to breathe and move. The ED doctor obtained an EKG which revealed a STEMI or an acute heart attack. The decision was made to activate the calfab immediately as well as the cardiologist. In the ED, David was given medications for heart rhythm, heart arrhythmias, low blood pressure, and a very low pH. He was stabilized and sedated prior to the cath lab. David was taken to the kath lab which revealed a 100% accluded L or better known as the widowmaker.

David received two stances to restore blood flow to the heart. David was then admitted to the ICU where he underwent therapeutic hypothermia to protect his brain following cardiac arrest. On June 26th, David was taken off sedate sedation and was extabated. He continued to improve while in the ICU and was discharged after being in the ICU for 9 days to the neuro rehab unit. Tonight, we express our sincere gratitude to everyone involved in David's care. From the bystanders who quickly acted to the dispatchers, ORM police department, ORM fire and critical care team, and the medical teams at Tempenogus Hospital, Emergency Department, Kath Lab, and ICU. Your skill, coordination, and compassion saved a life and kept a family whole. We are here to recognize a remarkable outcome and to collectively and the collective effort that made it possible. David's survival is a direct result of timely action. From Carla Kay's determination to find him, Susanna's decision to to return back to David and call 911, Kevin's immediate CPR and the tire tireless work of ORM fire and the critical care medics. David, I can assure you that you had the best fire department and team working on you that day in the state. Thank you for your service and dedication. This moment is a powerful reminder of the impact that you make every day. We would now like to have Ormfire

command staff come up here on my right and line up right here as well as our CEO from Tonogus, Andrew Zanger, and our COO, Landon Bait, and our CNO, Ca Katie King. I'm in line. You come with this. And as we call your name, if you could please come up and remain standing in front of the city council. Um, it's right here. But if I I don't know if Kevin is online. Kevin, the the first the bystander that first started CPR, he is from St. George and he is he was unable to to be here. But from there,

special.

I know. I know. But if we could have Susanna if we could have her come up, she called 911. dispatcher. So, we the fire department, we would actually also like to present some awards. We recognize Susanna's Tresner's efforts as well as Kevin O'Keeffe and would like to take this opportunity to recognize them. Our award criteria is very specific for the fire department. Things are usually pretty regimented. It says this, "These are these awards are reserved for citizens remarkable actions through a display of courage and boldness in the presence of a difficult challenge when the citizen took action to save a life or attempted to save a life and to prevent further injury." Susanna, you and Kevin absolutely filled that role. You did that that day. We appreciate you turning around and going back. I don't know what triggered you to do that, but you did. And that uh that made every bit of difference. Chief Sanderson, please present that award to Susanna. Kevin's will have to get to him in that trip you're talking about and I'll hold you to it. So the services that we render from from the fire department to delivery of the

patient in the hospital there are many many players that uh that come together to make things work to make things successful. Dispatchers are a part of that link. I would like to recognize at this time two dispatchers, Heather Fen and Britney Ferrell. If they are here, if they could come to the front,

Heather, Britney, thank you for for your contributions that day. I can tell you from experience, there's nothing more priceless than a good dispatcher. And and you you you guys both know that, I'm sure. And so, thank you. Those awards actually have a letter of commendation from the Orm Fire Department as well as recognition from the hospital. And for time's sake, we kind of kept those together. Um, moving on. Um, all fire departments are not created equal. due to the support of all of you, our council, the support of our city manager and members of our exec staff, our very own Chief Sanderson, and the programs that we utilize in addition to all this, our critical care paramedics. These this support and this program here in OR, the critical care program specifically fosters the utilization of 18 procedures, tools, and medications other fire departments simply do not have. We are able to deliver services that truly set us apart, rendering an elevated level of treatment and care. David Snow, you sitting here with us today attests of this. our people, their training, their dedication that we see every day as administration that every one of our members has is something to be proud of and they have they our human resource has proven to be our most valuable asset that we have. This along with the solid relationship we have with the hospital, Tempenogus Hospital, allows us the success we have seen with this program. I would like to invite the following

fire department individuals and recognize them to the front. Again, for time sake, we've included and combined their awards with with Tempenogus Hospitals. Captain Steve Tjo, if you're here, please come to the front. Captain Jesse Steiner, please come to the front. Engineer Jared Rosequist, your presence is requested. Critical care paramedic Dane Ericson, I know you're here. I saw you. Critical care paramedic Blake Odirk. Paramedic Ryan Garside. And our very own advanced EMT, Jason Garn, who's actually going to paramedic school right now. So, let's give these these gentlemen a round of applause.

Turn the time back over to Chris Shields.

Thanks, Juan. These guys are the best. You guys are the best. Seriously. Okay. Um, we also we also would like to recognize the police officers that were there. I think they're both here tonight. Um, if we could get Master Officer Steam Wink. Did I say that right? Close enough. If if he could come, he was he was the officer that took over CPR. And then master officer Robertson, he he was the officer that guided or fire to the scene. We would also like to acknowledge the teams at Tempenogus Hospital who played a vital role in David's care, including, if I could also have you come up, including the emergency department staff, the attending emergency room physician, and ED leadership. the the cardiac cath lab team and the ICU. Wow, what a great group. If we can just kind of all in circ circle right here, that would be great.

So, um Dave, I'm sure that maybe you recognize some of these people. This was not just another save. Um you are really a true miracle. and those that are here would say the same. Um I don't know I don't know anybody that's had CPR done for 27 minutes and survived and been as good as you. So you it's just such a wonderful wonderful miracle. There were so many parts in this story that I have not mentioned that were tender mercies of God. There are truly angels amongst us that are placed here in paths at certain times to be there to help others. I truly believe in this story that happened. Dave, we would like to introduce you to the team that saved your life that day. [Music] Yes. Good morning. Good night. them up here.

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Everyone. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah, really squeeze up. Oh, all right. If we can get if we get Dave and his wife in the front right here and then everybody with Mark, do you want to come over with you guys or you Okay. All right. Let's get in on this side a little more.

Yeah, we need a little bit more squeeze on the edge. Okay. Especially over here. These guys got us. All right, we're just missing you two on the end here. All right, here we go. One, two, three.

Fantastic. Thank you, [Music] Mayor, thank you for this opportunity. It's amazing the things the guys do. Um, one last thing for everybody that's here for this event. We've we've created a little social upstairs with some refreshments. If after I just want to turn some time over to Andrew Zinger, he's the Tempoga CEO, just to say a few things and then we'll excuse everybody to go upstairs and socialize. So, Andrew, I I just want to mention one thing. Yeah, please. No, you're fine. Yeah.

Um I mean, this has been an incredible presentation and it's incredible to see all these different groups come together uh with all the training and work and uh it I mean, these guys work all the time. They train on this stuff and to see the fruits of their labors is amazing. And this isn't the first time. I mean, we've seen this over and over and over again, but this is amazing. Um, but I just want to mention that Susanna that went back to help wherever you are. Um, she's one of Mandy's runners that Tom uh memorialized earlier. So, it kind of goes full circle here. But anyway, go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and and city council. Certainly, it feels like we should just end it right now. There's not much more that that I can add. We could just wrap it up truly. Um, that would be more than fine. So, just a few remarks. So, I'm uh I'm I'm new to my role just here as the CEO of Tempenogus Regional Hospital on practically week two. And uh this event is something that I just uh found out about not too long ago by nature of me just starting. And so was very excited to to be here and to participate. And when I talked to Chris about the event and I said, "Hey, I'd love to hear the story. You know, learn about what I'm going through and what's going to take place," she said, "No, you need to hear this for the first time here. I promise it won't disappoint." Um, and that certainly has has been the case as I've been able to to listen and hear about the events that transpired and those individuals that were involved. And certainly as the CEO of the hospital, of course, I want to give kudos to to my team and the life-saving work that they performed on this um particular um case and for David and and what they perform on a on a daily basis. Our uh mission is that above all else, we're committed to the care and

improvement of human life. And uh we can't fulfill that mission uh without our partners uh in the uh first responders with EMS and and our fire departments. And so Chris mentioned and described this whole event as truly a miracle. Um we work with miracle workers every day and just express my sincere gratitude to our staff and to our first responders um as well. And uh thank you for for letting us come today.

Thank you. Thank you and thank you for for that presentation. Next, we've got item 8.2 and this is our 911 day of service that's coming up. We've got Carrie Rug I know how to clear a room. That's really impressive. And I told Chief Sanderson, it's never fair to be the person that draws the stick to go after them. But aren't we so lucky to get to serve and work with these amazing employees in the city that give everything that they have to our community. And I'm not crying, you are. though. Um, mayor and council, the 9/11 day of service of remembrance is an annual observance that encourages Americans to honor the victims and heroes of the September 11th terrorist attacks through charitable service and good deeds. The concept was originally founded in 2002 and later federally recognized under the Edward M. Kennedy Service America Act in 2009. The goal is to to transform the anniversary from a day of tragedy into a day of positive action, embodying the spirit of unity and compassion that emerged in the aftermath of the attacks. ORM has been participating in this effort for many years and we're excited for the following service projects on Saturday, September 13th. the Vineyard Shoreline Trails Cleanup, the Sierra and the Sierra Shell Cleanup, Nielson's Grove Park Cleanup, Foothill and Palisade Park Cleanup, Sharon Stake Celebration of Service, and Kids on the

Move service project. We invite you and the public to sign up for any of these projects at justserve.org and search for ORM Vineyard 911 day of service. We look forward to being part of this service mindset that ORM residents are known for as a just served community. Thank you. Thank you, Carrie. Next, we've got item 8.3. And Carrie, you're still here. And Jim Barry.

Yes. Jim, if you wouldn't mind coming up. We are really excited and I know all of you are aware of this already, but we opened up another My Hometown neighborhood recently and this really aligns with your goals of making more connected neighborhoods in our community and we appreciate your support in these efforts. Um, and as we learned in the work session that that's something that's very important for our community. So, I'd like to turn the time over to Jim Barry to discuss a little bit about our new neighborhood. Thank you, mayor, city council. I'm delighted to be with you and others. Um, it's kind of hard after that the great story we we just heard. I'm glad I was here to hear that. [Music] So, I'm delighted to be able to tell you a little bit about this new community as we stand here tonight at 6:30. the new community started their uh um community resource center and their teaching classes as we speak. So it started about six eight months ago with two people that were called to be the executive directors. We now have over 75 people both missionaries and volunteers serving in that new community. And you may have heard about their grand opening as Debbie Diamiko called it an Oram NATO. And so the skies just opened up and blew everything away. But they put everything back together and there were over 700 people that came. So it was a very successful grand opening. Then uh last Thursday they had an open house at the CRC. about 60 of the volunteers and missionaries were there to give tours through the the building and show them

where all the classes were. And at this point, they have 95 students that have signed up for classes. So together, the two communities that we have, we've have over just this year, we've put in over 10,000 hours of service. We've taught 322 students in all the classes. And of course, we know that's not counting the classes that just began. Uh each day of service, we've had over 200 people helping. And the days of service for Sharon Park will not begin mostly next year, but we'll open uh we might have one in October because we've got the people called that are in charge of that. We've worked in 20 unique homes, some of them more than once, and we have nine more service projects that are planned for this Saturday on the same day all the other ones are going on. Some of the things that we've done so far, uh we had uh a donation of sod from a sod company in the valley. We uh have gone in an overgrown landscape and re-trimmed it down so that the homeowners who can't possibly do it themselves nor afford it could get it done. We've re rebuilt and paid painted a deck, built a new fence, added a wheelchair ramp to a home, scraped a whole home in preparation to prime and paint, and and we've also hauled away multiple appliances out in the front yard of one of our neighbors and took it to the junk junkyard. So they we the other part of it we have

the days of service we have the community resource center but we also have community activities two that or three that have happened recently and the Geneva Heights community had um flowers and French toast. It was sponsored by the uh Ashton Foundation and Cooks Nursery. There was the pool party at the Sarah the pool. Thank you for supporting that activity and and my hometown helped to support that too. And they've had multiple uh potluck activities also for that community. So next year when I stand up here, we'll double probably at least double the hours that we've put in. And so the final thing is things are going really well in my hometown Oram Family City USA. Any questions? Okay. Thank you.

I I do have one comment to make. I don't know if you remember this, but a year ago when you came to present uh my hometown to the city council for we had another weather event. Yes, we did. That was when the hail stom hit forum. So, I'm thinking that my hometown is just taking our town by storm in every new CRC we open. So, thank you for all that you're doing. There's opposition in all things. Thank you.

Thank you. Next up, item 8.4, summer reading wrap-up. Megan Flender. testing. Haha, I turned it on. Hello. Uh, this was a good night to be at a council meeting. Um, for those of you who don't know me, my name is Meg Flenders Pay and I am the programming librarian at the Oram Library. I'm excited to be here to report on the 2025 summer reading program which wrapped up on August 1st and was a huge success. Our theme this year was color our world and we celebrated with a focus on art and creativity. We had over 3,300 patrons register for the challenge this year and in total they read over 3,254,459 minutes which is the equivalent of reading for 6 years straight. So way to go to our community for reading that much. Um, we also had over 30 programs over the course of two months. Um, and during a busy summer of library construction, we had a lot of our programs offsite at ORM Parks and the Hillcrest Center and the entire library worked really hard to ensure that we could continue bringing fun events to our community. So, here are just a few highlights from this summer. We did our kickoff event at the Hillrest Center and patrons enjoyed a color our world story time and puppet show, the splash pad and lots of games and activities. We also had a special appearance by Mero and that's my daughter giving him a hug there. So, I

love that picture. Um, we were also able to co-sponsor the beautiful and colorful butterfly house with the city events team that was featured at Oramfest and we had thousands of people visit in a single day. This was a great opportunity to promote summer reading to our community. We had some great events for our teens. Um, and these were managed by our council of volunteer teens that regularly meets at the library. They pulled off an incredible Nailed It, Failed It Art Night. And as you can see, I don't think there was a single fail in the group. Um, they also took over the Tempenogus Park for a Saturday evening and made fairy gardens, played field games, and had a blast together in the mountains. And one of my favorite moments was when a song from the popular Netflix film K-pop Demon Hunters played on their event playlist, and all of them stood up and belted the song at the top of their lungs. It's always great to see the events our teens pull off together. We also had some great events for our twins, including an event themed after the popular Wings of Fire series um about colorful dragons. And we had over 120 twins come to that program. Uh and we didn't just provide the kids with the awesomeness of summer reading. We also held programs for adults, including an adult cut paper art night and a gallery show in Library Hall. Finally, we wrapped things up with our summer reading finale at the Sierra pool and about 1,300 people attended this exclusive event for summer reading uh challenge finishers and we had a blast with a DJ who got people dancing in the shallow end of the pool and we gave away over 100 prizes to our readers. Everyone who completed also earned the beautiful city of Oram coloring book which was a huge hit. Summer reading encourages children and families to read more over the summer,

to visit the library, and to have fun together. Our end of summer reading survey showed that 74% of patrons read more over the summer because of the program. And 92% said that they plan to do summer reading again. We also got some wonderful feedback from our community. And I wanted to share a few comments uh that our patrons provided us. Um, one person said that the summer reading program provides wonderful family bonding activities each summer. And another said, "The library summer reading program is practically like a family vacation because it's fun and provides many opportunities to hang out as a family." A parent expressed, "I was having a hard time encouraging my son to read. Because of the reading program, he made a point to read for at least 30 minutes every day." As you can see, we had a great program this year, but we aren't planning to stop. So, what's next? Summer reading 2026, unearth a story. We're already hard at work on getting things ready for next year when summer reading will be themed around paleontology and archaeology and all the wonderful stories to be found in the pages of our earth. Thank you to the mayor and city council, to all of the city staff, and to all of the library staff that support summer reading and make it possible each year. Thank you, Megan. We appreciate that. And you guys are doing an amazing job at the library. The library has been getting better and better and better. And uh latest stats I saw show that the foot traffic in the last year is up 27%. And that's because of this and other types of programs that you guys are doing. So, you're doing a great job bringing it up. Thank you. Next up, we have personal appearances, of which we have none. So, we'll move to item 10, consent items. Approval of

meeting minutes for August 26, 2025. Item 10.2, a reappoint to the public works advisory commission. That's Joseph Gordon, Robert Moore, Gary Mley, and Brent Tobler. and item 10.3 an ordinance business license revocation amendments. So with that in mind, can I have a motion on the consent items? I make a motion that we approve the consent items. I second. I I I I I I Thank you. The consent items are approved. Next up, we have our city manager information items. Bren.

Yeah. So, this uh Thursday is the annual day of service and I will be quick. Um I'll make sure you get ice cream. Um I just want to mention uh that we'll have a couple hundred employees out serving the community doing various projects around the city. We heard some a list of some of those. I just want to say there's there's plenty to be concerned about. We we hear about some of those concerns. for example, in the community assessment earlier, but man, the answer is serving others and serving our community. So, I am just proud to be part of the the ORUM team of servants and um proud to to work with you and and we do absolutely have the best team of public servants in the state here in OR. So, thank you.

Thank you, Bren. All righty. Would someone like to make an Mayor I'd like to do a 30 second announcement to adjourn to a closed door session in the summit conference room to discuss pending or reasonably intim intimate litigation the character or or professional competence of an individual or the purchase or lease of real property. That's a motion. Yes, I second it. Okay. I I sorry to keep going. Jeff I I I I I and again I thank you. Well, we will now adjourn in a little session. Thank you all for coming. Was your time Gary? No, I I have a comment.