City Council - Regular Meeting

turn it over to uh Carlo in our IT department. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor Council. Um pleas to be here today. I guess I'm first. So, I'll dive right in. Um so, a lot of you, it's not all of you, lot some of you new to ORM. So, I just thought it'd be good to go over the ecosystem of it and and pertains to ORM. Um, people don't understand like why I'm IT and yet McKay and Sarah are also of IT and Steve are IT. It's because aggregate we are it but I'm part of the operations and there Steve's product policy and compliance end of it and then Sarah software development. So a visualization of how all those um this last year was a was a wouldn't say an uneventful year but it was you know more of a uh let us settle after the major stuff we did last year with the new city center um focused mostly on um some tools we had. So uh 701 and action one were pools provided to us by the state part of the um cyber security budget that's started with a federal grant to the state that gets allocated to um from the state out to municipalities as they need it but the bulk of that state is the state and so they chose to buy packages for municipalities and let them uh those programs with them. So send one is our endpoint management um that's provided then which allowed us to retire sofos which is what we were paying for at the time and uh action one is patch management and that allowed us to uh retire our event product.

So some cost savings to the city there. Um, sorry.

Another big uh thing we did this last year was we upgraded our our backup systems uh and backup being our disaster recovery data storage systems. We were using some very old software and some very old repurposed hardware for that purpose. Uh we we've moved that now to brand new hardware and and brand new software. And then uh part of that we've upgraded the the hardware that's down in the St. George data center. Uh so we have redundancy of that data both here at city center and down at our disaster recovery site at St. George. Um and then uh part of the St. George upgrades included having to change the rack out to uh a larger rack to accommodate that new hardware and then uh we did some firewall upgrades repurposing the hardware we had at the city center uh previous into that. So not going to go over all these points just kind of what gave the highlights. Um this slide is just kind of to give you guys a little bit of a taste for what what the environment looks like here as far as the threats that the city faces. Um if you look at the the top um left hand corner, the ad lumin events over the last year, admin is a product we we pay for that's a managed detection and response system that monitors logs that we get from various systems here, mostly our firewalls and um systems. they feed into this and they get aggregated as events into that system. So almost one and a half billion events um got dumped into that system and out of that um 776 were triggered as alerts as something kind of suspicious and leads leads leads to more investigation needing to be done to see if it's a a malicious thing happening at the city or or not. And um part of that service we do with them is they they take care of the busy work. They're 247 uh seven days a week um monitoring those so that we can have somebody take take action on the the nastiest of the nasty

right as it's happening because if you wait sometimes it's too late. So so they took action on most of those events but still left us with 306 that we had to take action on ourselves. So leaves our teams pretty busy still just um investigating those events to see if they're malicious or just look like they might have been. Um that bottom part of the of the slide talks about vulnerabilities. This is um vulnerabilities as detected by Sentinel one product. So these are the soft running on each each endpoint. Um so your PCs, the servers, that kind of thing. And uh what it what it means by a vulnerability in this case is is a bug that's been released by a manufacturer to a central database that says our product has a problem when this particular thing happens. and and that that event is usually tied to a bug in their software and that bug um that software might have several bugs that pertain to the same same problem. So um 120,000 uh vulnerabilities might mean 10 or 20 per bug potentially, but it's just things that it's it's keeping an eye on our system that that are uh happening potentially in our environment that that need further investigation and uh scrutiny. And of the the ones that it's seeing, you know, there were still 538 that were exploitable. So that means there's a bug that has uh released information on how to exploit that bug and actually turn it malicious. So So even with the tools we have, we're still we still have some of these things in our environment that that need attention that we just don't have the resources to get to right away. So we're focusing on those and trying to get those numbers down. As you can see from the uh percentages there, they are decreasing. So, we're getting to those, just not getting to them as fast as we need, but um not we're not in harm's way or not in a in a bad way yet, but we're those are numbers we want to keep an eye on. Um action one is another package that's uh

tracking those and those vulnerabilities that it's talking about are vulnerabilities that have a patch. So, if you have Adobe or something on your system and it's patched that Adobe's released, uh the vulnerability in the old version's there until the new version's installed. And so it's talking about vulnerabilities that we could patch. And then as you can see, we got 5,000 over 5,000 installed pieces of software that we're having to track and manage in the city. So, uh, as if we're doing this manually, that's that's our overwhelming thing to do, you know. So, even with some of the automation, we still have 1,820 patches that have to be installed. The patch could be as simple as like a printer driver. So, it's not like whole software packages, but um, but still a lot out there. So we it's this is these are things we're watching closely and and we're helpful grateful for the tools we have to kind of put the spotlight on those weaknesses and and let us focus on getting those result. Um this upcoming budget year we have a couple items we we need to have attention. So with the new building uh we have a new UPS system uh and a and the crack units which is a computer room air conditioning unit. um those were bigger units for this building than we had previous and so our budget was needs to be adjusted accordingly to match to manage maintenance on those products so they don't fall into disrepair. So we need an increased budget to keep those in in uh good working order. And then uh the software request there is we have we have software that helps us track all of our our tickets both in the in the software development side for project management as well as in the help desk for uh items that we need to address. And so we've been paying for a product right now that's um gotten more expensive because we're using it more good and bad cost to use more but we're using it more. So we need a little little bit of money to maintain that product. Um and then the IBM system we have we typically do on a three to four

year lease and it's coming time for the new lease to be set up for the new power series to um replace the core database to run all of our systems on and that lease does include keeping the system redundant in in St. George. Um and then uh the final one is there is our our Google licensing costs. Uh we are Google Workspace Shop. So our license our license agreement for the previous 5 years expired. Now it's time for a new agreement and the price went up a little bit. So we needed 23,000 extra for the new price adjustments. And then CIUS requirements have have indicated that we need to move from a commercial product to more of a government product and so we need to add some extra licensing to uh maintain CSUS compliance with with our criminal justice agencies. So uh so that's our budget request for this year. Um some of our focus for the coming year um is mostly looking back to that that slide I referenced a minute ago with the uh the vulnerabilities and this and the uh security events is that's that's our next window of of uh focus. Now that we have the visibility in those tool those with those tools we want to make sure we're focusing on dwindling those lists down to as minimal amount as possible. So big focus will be spent on that. Um you know we're also working on expanding the help desk hours for this coming year. They'll better accommodate police and fire since they work 247 and and then the library and fitness center since they have a lot later hours than the rest of the city does. So want to focus on helping them out a little bit better in those hours. And then uh again just kind of focusing on the the resilience and the readiness that we have for disasters since talk to anybody in the security world it's it's most more so now not if you get attacked by something it's when and so we want to be

ready for when it happens so it's as minimal impact impactful as possible and uh that's our focus. Okay. Well, I want you guys to think about most of the things that Carlo presented like your immune system, right? These are things that happen inside of your body. This is what happens if you get sick, right? What systems are mobilized to make sure that you don't die from whatever it was. Um, I want you to think about what I'm about to present as like the social relationships that our organization, the city of War, has with other software or service providers that could make us thick. Um, and this has actually been the focus uh from this last year. It was to take a closer look at the relationships that we have with software and service providers that we leverage as a city to make uh sure that we can offer the service to our customers and we evaluated. So we started making a long list of all of these that that list is not completed at this point but this journey has begun and as we onboard new relationships as we onboard new software or new services that are provided by the outside market we are asking these services uh cyber security questions we are asking them data privacy questions we're asking them about data retention uh and making sure that uh the legal frameworks and the oper operational requirements that we've decided as a team is good hygiene uh that these third parties are engaged in as well. And when they're not right, we go back to the uh business unit within the city, whether that's parks or fire or finance, and we say, "Hey, here are the potential risks associated with doing our business through this service provider." And so we've got full disclosure about how

we're doing business, where it's risky, where it's good. And then we're fully we are accepting those risks or we're rejecting those risks if they're too much. And that's just been a blind spot our operation in the past. We we have not terribly focused on. But it's important, right? Just as in the pandemic you did like contract or contact tracing because the people who you are closest with would be ones most likely to get you sick. Right. So this is uh we are doing our third party cyber security and data privacy assessments before we onboard vendors. We're doing annual auditing of the risks that are identified with those third party vendors and doing the best we can to inoculate ourselves from uh risky business behaviors. And then um we formalized a policy uh exception path. This means you know there's there's always the rule right and for every rule there's always an exception. Then just because there's an exception it doesn't mean that we negate the rule right. So, we track the rule or sorry, we track the exception. We audit against that exception annually to see if it's still valid or we close the door. Uh, and then we've created and adopted a citywide cyber security incident response plan this last year. So, the previous year was we adopted a cyber security framework, right? A way in which we build uh this year uh we formalized our response to bad events. questions. Seeing none, I shall move on. Uh this coming year, what we're going to be focusing on is a lot of actually compliance uh uh items here. Uh we've got uh mobile device management that Carlo touched on that that is a requirement for our criminal justice agencies that we're going to be rolling out. Um we are this is a big one. This second item has everything to do with the myorum initiative. uh right where we've got a centralized portal for our

citizens uh where as we build new now and as we offer services to cit citizens we're trying to push as many of those services into a central portal for citizens so they don't have to have seven 10 12 different usernames and passwords with the city based upon how many services they consume from us and this line item moving um to a single user sign on for citizens this is the back end that makes that work uh continued good automation of employee account life cycle. So it's great uh people onboard with the city, people offboard with the city and they receive permissions and access based upon their roles as they onboard with us. But what happens to somebody who onboards with the city as a part-time um fitness center employee and is able to move up the ranks, right? Uh there's there are components within the life cycle. We call it backpacking. They usually backpack access and privileges uh and they may bounce around to three or four different departments in the city, right? So by the time they're done, they have so many more privileges than they ever needed. Uh a focal point of this coming year will will be to um tailor uh rights and privileges to users even through the life cycle as they move throughout uh different employment opportunities in the city. Excuse me. Um again, compliance requirements. Uh this is going to be encrypted communication again focusing heavily on our criminal justice agencies. Uh and then the last two is just a continuation of uh maturing the city's privacy program as well as maturing the city's cyber security program. I know that's that seems like a a shotgun blast, but these things are all interconnected and uh uh as we raise the quality of the experience and where all the boats are going to rise and that was everything I had. Any questions?

How many of those were statemandated? H that is a really good question. One, two, three, three and a half. Just over half. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. Software development. So, uh, like Steve and Carlo have presented to this point, looking at the third pillar of the IT group that helps support city services. What we do for the city is support the infrastructure that allows most of the city employees to do their jobs as well as provide convenient ways for citizens and customers of the city to interact with us in day-to-day operations. So to that end, one of the biggest things that we've been working on this past year is the launch of my ORM. I presented this to people at various points throughout the year and I am pleased to announce that as of yesterday that is live to our citizens. So that's been one of the biggest undertakings that we've had to make sure that Steve mentioned earlier with unifying counts across the city and we're providing a service that is adequate uh beyond adequate to our citizens in a way that actually helps them get what they need from the city rather than being lost in the minutia of having various accounts. Along with that comes upgrades of existing software. Uh this has provided us an opportunity to see what we currently have offering and make it better, make it more secure, make it better to fix and change in the future. Uh utility billing website is the first thing that has entered my arm as a available service to the citizens and we have made significant improvements to make sure that it is a secure experience and it is very clear what somebody is getting when they are interacting with that service. We've also been uh looking at updating our accessibility guidelines and this is rooted in things that have come down from the federal level with the Americans with Disability Act, specifically title 2 regulations that were set to go into effect last Friday and have been pushed back one further year. But this is work that we engage in to make sure that all of the services that we offer are legally compliant and are able to serve our citizens.

Our software architecture is another thing because there's so much of city infrastructure that relies on the software that we're written. We want to make sure that that software when it comes time for it to be updated or to be life cycled out that it is a smooth transition. to make sure that as developers we can easily access that and change it as the needs of the city of all but also when security events come forward we are able to swiftly and accurately those issues as they go and then finally we've been engaging in steering committee conversations where as a software development team make sure that any decisions that we do to progress the software needs of the city are being directly led by the executive level of the city and not just at the needs of various departments in isolation. So all efforts by our software teams um and this includes our security and IT operations teams are the executive level.

Okay. So looking forward going into our next fiscal year we are two main priorities. First we're building new still right we're extending the myorum portal that just launched. We're looking at business licensing, putting business licensing into our centralized portal. We're also looking at fitness center. Fitness center is a project that has already started, has been underway for a long time. It's going to take a long time and we're going to keep working on it. Our other big one, McKay talked about the need to life cycle software to keep it up to date, right? Maintenance, keep it all the whole system healthy. Um, we've reached time to life cycle some of our really big systems. So, our legacy programs, we're looking at payroll that pays all of our employees. We're looking at the general ledger system. We're looking at the court system. So, starting this year, we are going to start looking at reevaluating them, redoing them, stabilizing them, all of those kinds of maintenance things that are needed to keep it supporting the city's infrastructure. And as part of that, we are intending to in this next budget year onboard three more people to help us with this multi-year project of um life cycling our most core systems. We're looking at two software engineers and also a database administrator who's going to specialize in the um hygiene I guess of our data and all the information we collect for the citizens so that we can make sure that we are um legal legally compliant as legislation changes and also organized right and clean and we can help our citizens in the most secure way possible. So yeah, I think that's our that's the end of it. Any questions?

I don't have a question, but I just want to say congratulations on getting the my up and running. That's Yes. Good job. No, that's a lot of work on that. So, thank you. Tuesday, any questions at this point, council? I do not speak uh developer and all of those languages that you do. So, thank you for what you do because I don't speak that language. Thank you. We love doing it. Love doing it for the city to see things progress. We have great like you guys working on man.

So anyone who has an email now will need to set up access having access things in the past will need to set up a new login. That is correct. Just to clarify that because that's come up, right? So, this is a whole new system and this is fabulous and you want to access it just a login and they'll be able to link their existing accounts to it. Uh, and our 311 agents are trained on how to make sure that is a good process. So if people have questions about how to do it, 311 be where they need to contact who can help them work through getting set up with the new myorum

and then as things escalate from there if if it needs to uh as software developers start. Thank you. And Pete, we have a whole PR campaign to get the word out about my my sure that awareness is getting out to everyone. We've got a whole big plan that we're going to start rolling out here at the end of the month. Is Quinn online or council member? Yeah, it looks like he is online. Um, council member Mikum, do you have any questions? I just I don't want you to feel ignored.

Uh, thank you, Mayor. No, I'm um, fantastic update. Sounds like you've got a lot of things going on. It's it's just very informative and I'm particularly excited as well about my ORUM and um thank you for the guidance uh on how to advise our residents as they make that transition.

Right. Thank you. thing. Can anybody guess where this hole is located?

Yes. So, here that's where we should all be today. Even though it's kind of cool. Which one is it? Which hole is that? Nine. Um, that is number nine. I spent some quality time at that whole during the police little longer than you wanted to.

Uh so first off uh part of uh why we had it we have it come and discuss things every year. Uh councilwoman member Gilstein uh uh many of us are in the same boat as you to be honest with you. Uh even you know we work with our IT folks every day but obviously lots of the things they talk about are just like uh-huh okay you say so um works right

despite our best efforts to try to understand what what they're talking about and how that re impacts us right um but part of the reason why we had them go first this time before is because as you will come to see here when we start talking about the operation ations. A large portion of the operational items that are what we refer to maybe as expansions um are related to our IT area this year. Um just to give you an idea of um the process that we go through. So at the be uh beginning of the year in uh late January, February, we um open our budget uh product to all of the departments and they are able to then start submitting what we refer to these these expansion requests and that's those requests you see on that far left side. they have a time period in which they're able to submit those um and for us to be able to consolidate those and review them and then be able to um eval do some evaluation on that so that by the time we meet with each one of the departments we kind of have an idea of what things that they are looking at doing trying to do in the next year that they feel like they need help with. We then meet as it mentions as a budget subcommittee um which is primarily uh Ren and uh Carrie and Ryan and uh Trevor and myself and and Jennica uh and along with each of the departments individually so that we can discuss each of those operational expansions and and what each of those expansions what does it mean? um is there ways that we can um have it some of that covered by a revenue source of some of some specific thing that wasn't there before or is

there something else that you know we can look at that as far as a a way to potentially even we can accommodate that in the current fiscal year that we're in. So like this year would have been can we accommodate that here in fiscal 26 potentially. Um so all of that discussion occurs in that um budget subcommittee meeting. As you can see if the little swish going down if we find that there's some things that can we can do immediately um then we do that. We go and we take those out of the mix and and we take care of those and then we go forward all of the other ideas. And I say go forward, we put them on a list to determine, is there going to be enough money to do any of these things? Some of those are maybe, yeah, we're we're going to find a way to do that. That's a given. Some of the others are, well, let's kind of see where we're at and then we'll come revisit that and and then give some approval in that regard. And then all of that is leading towards obviously basically where we're at right now, which is um our tenative budget being completed and which will be presented um to you on May 12th. Um there's still time obviously between now and then that adjustments could be made and can be made and potentially even will be made um by the time we present on May 12th, but for the most part right now uh Trevor and I are begging for everybody's help and not changing anything from this point forward. So anyway, the first thing talking about expansions, uh we always want to touch on personnel expansions uh first. They they tend to have sometimes the greater impact. Um as you may or may not know our legal department uh is awesome and

coming being with awesome they have to look at a lot of things and even as it kind of mentioned we use more and more outside third party things and do more and more things that require uh agreements. Um, so as those things are reviewed, we have this continued greater need to be able to uh have attorneys in place to gain a a better understanding and so Steve can actually take a vacation. So

who needs you to be here? So, um that is one of the first um items um that we needed to address um with personnel. Now, I guess before I go too much further on, you'll notice on many of these um the the last bullet points in many of these talk about where does the funding come from in in those cases. Now, many of these while they exist, this exists these two positions in particular exist within the general fund. That's where they're paid from. Many of those costs of those individuals are paid actually end up being paid for by other funds, whether that be our road funds, whether that be any of our enterprise funds. Um, when we do work, particularly our attorneys, those agreements may come from any one of those particular areas. Um, and so obviously finance is another great example. We do work for all of the funds within the city. So our costs are spread throughout the city. So, so while we're talking about them in a very small box, realize there is potential, we'll refer to it as a revenue component that is spread across several other funds. It's not 100%. So that's why we talk about them here in this setting, but I thought I'd at least make you aware that it is not 100% born by general fund. Uh we also our urban forestry group um as we have more and more trees that continue to age and we have more and more of a need to continue to monitor those trees and you know we've had recent discussions about canopies and different things like that. um that group is really in need of some some help and some assistance especially as we continue to try to plant um new trees or

uh take care of those aging trees that that we have. Um our next one are beyond those are the two personnel ones that we have within the general fund. Um other expansions that uh we have uh are the for civic engagement. So underneath that uh we use a product software product called podium um that helps our primarily our 311 agents but is used by other um groups as well. That was formally paid for through um our ARPA grant money that we received from the federal government. um that money has now been exhausted and we still want to keep that product and so we now need to uh if you will figure out a way to help pay for that product. Um Ren wanted me to include the city council element for the youth council of 2000 just to make you aware that we do something for that group um so that uh we can really get that group moving. Um, normally that would not be something we might include it, but um, it's not a terribly large dollar amount, but thought it was important for you to know that we do care about the little the little things that we do as well, and that we try to take care of those things as well. careful. Our police department, um, you know, I can't thank the police department enough because every year they come and tell us, "Yeah, we just made we just found a place to pay for those things." So unfortunately the time I think has come where those things the things you see up here that we expand our budget to make sure that they're not having to take from Peter to pay Paul that they can do those things that they need it.

And usually when they're taking from Peter to pay Paul that means they're delaying doing something. So, we don't want that to be an ongoing continuing, if you will, problem or issue. We want them to be able to get those things done that they need to get done. Um, and so that particular top item is related to that. um our animal services agreement with uh new um that takes care of all of our an animal control sing animals that we find within the city and and deal with um that contract and that's not just us obviously it's ORM and everybody northward the um costs for that have increased and and our share of that has has also increased now that's not just a one-year this is also another one of those where we've been finding the funds to try to pay for those increases over the past years and it has just now come to time to where realistically we just need to raise that to um the level that it's currently at. And our fire folks um within each of the stations they have various things that wear out andor we need which might include fridges and ovens and beds um various things of that nature. And in the past, we've just kind of found a way to get those. You'll recall the CIP money that we transfer into our capital projects fund. A lot of the times it's, you know, the things have finally come to the point where we need to do something and we use some of that money. Well, these things don't go away, right? They're regularly needing to be addressed. So that those replacement dollars are intended to make sure that that money is always available for when those themes are occurring and they occur regularly. They don't occur at the same time all the time. So it's it would be it's good to have some funds

available to be able to address those. We also a EMPG grant for you don't know is emergency management. Uh in the past we've received a grant that helped pay for um our salaries of Heath and the things that he does within his division. Um the grant award didn't pay the whole thing u but that grant has gradually been dwindling as to the amount that is involved um with it. So, as part of being able to help support Heath and his continued efforts um in the emergency management realm, um the we would like to put some funds aside to in essence replace some of those those grant funds so that he has those funds available to do the things that he needs to do to make sure that we are prepared. Are there any questions about any of those expansion items at this point? Great. Now, I'm going to be throwing a lot of tables and numbers at you. Um, but I I I just want to try to focus in on a few different things. So, number one, the the personnel costs. You might look at that first top line. This is so I guess first I should say as we talked about separating the uh public safety into its own special revenue fund that makes a very unique comparison issue for me. So what I've done is I've done the best that I feel like I can as far as putting those two things back together again in relation to comparing to where we're at this year. In future years, those two things will be separated and you'll have a, if you will, an apples to, totally apples to apples comparison. This would be more like oranges and mandarin pairs, something like that. Little

cutie. Yeah.

So, um, the first item though, you know, might draw your attention uh to that uh percentage increase, but I need to um address some of the elements that go into that. Number one, obviously all of our step people who are in the STEP program, those are part of that. All of people who are in our merit program, those increases are part of that and those are all at generally speaking at about a 3% increase. Uh there are health insurance increases as you are probably well aware and many things. Um all of those things are in there. the the two ind the individuals that we just referred to that are new, they're part of that increase in percentage as well. We also um moved an individual out of our self- insurance fund and into our uh general fund uh for various reasons, but that does cause when you're looking at our fiscal 26 budget, that does cause a variance. Um but that change is also included in there. Um, we have a a whole slew of new firefighters that we've added in the end of fiscal 25. So, they would not have made it into our fiscal 26 budget as well as some uh new firefighters this year that we have added. All of those are related to our contracts with Vineyard and Lynden. Again, those have an associated revenue increase, which we discussed in the last work session associated with them, but from a comparison standpoint, it makes that percentage rise, right? Um, and then, you know, there's along with we've talked about our focus on personnel uh um above expansion or above doing other things and this this budget as we're

preparing it has that focus in it. and is trying to make sure that personnel are taken care of first. Um, one and and then if there were been any few promotions that have occurred during the year, those elements have also been incorporated into that comparison as well. As part of all of these uh tables that we're discussing, I want to try to clarify that we're trying to provide you with more transparency than we have in the past. um not by necessarily. It wasn't designed in the past to hide things necessary, but as part of to be honest with you, our new software is providing us with greater and greater opportunities to be able to gather and provide us so we can provide you the better detail in in regards to those without burying you hopefully in too much detail that we just we get lost. Right? So that's what I'm trying to focus on here in these following uh elements.

And then one more thing that's in that percent change too is when we do a set aside for market increases above and beyond merit and step increases that doesn't start out in the personnel line item. It's it's a set aside and then we wait in the middle of the year to do that analysis to see what the market is. Then once we know what that information is, then it gets put into the personnel.

Correct. Right. And and so and as we use our new software, we'll continue to fine-tune those capabilities as to well this is the way we used to do it. This is the way we need to do it now. So that more and more of these comparisons um take into account those kind of things where okay that money really that even though we put it in this particular account that's really related to personnel. Um and I've tried to make some adjustments for that but I can't necessarily get them all. So anyway so thank you Fran for bringing that up. Um the other item on there I just wanted to point out, you know, not everything is always an increase there, uh down in capital outlay, sometimes we are um either because the needs just aren't there in that particular year or as we talked about that CIP reserve money that we're able to take care of some of those capital items as part of using those funds to take care of them and and you can see that impact uh in the GI current fiscal year in relation to that as Brandon, I don't mean to be that person, but you got about 15 to 20 minutes left.

We're we're good. Just want to make sure. Yep.

Um just a couple a few more items uh in relation to our enterprise funds. Um particularly wanted to note, uh if you'll call right in the very center, you'll see a negative 9.9. And anytime you see negative numbers, sometimes you might go, "Yeah, that's good because that means went down when we're talking expenditures, right?" I just want to point out that negative is really all related to two bonds that were paid off a 2005 series. If you go up just two what four lines above and you see the 3.4% 4%. You might wonder, well, how come water didn't go down? And that's because we had a water only bond that had a big payment waiting for those other two bonds to pay off. So, and it's a water only related bond. So, that's why you see a big decrease in relation to storm water, but not much of a decrease. In this case, it would have been a decrease had that water bond not been there, but because it made up for those, it's still an increase. Um, some other items talking about solid waste, you it you might see that that 14.4% that you see down there, however, we're in contract finalizing our contract with them. the fiscal 26 budget did not necessarily contemplate an audit, a can count audit that we recently had kind of right at the end when we were finishing that budget. So you actually will see some uh budget amendment changes to try to accommodate for fiscal 26, but fiscal 20 what was eventually agreed upon in fiscal 26 will actually carry forward into 27. So there

won't necessarily be an increase in relation to the cost element uh for that. So so that's somewhat again one of these timing issues in relation to when we're looking at a past budget that was prepared a you know over a year plus ago as opposed to where we're going to be looking forward to moving forward. Um and then are are there any questions on that particular uh page? Obviously, it's a lot to digest and you'll be receiving the presentation and if there are future questions about any of the particular items, you're welcome to contact me about those. our internal service funds of which our IT department uh is part of and you can see the impacts uh there the second to near the bottom um in relation to the things that our IT folks just uh talked to you and and what those mean in relation to their budget um and various and I mentioned the self- insurance fund and the moving of that individual that's why you see a negative over in the personnel column for that um particular place uh outside of those two elements most of the other items are are we'll call just say run-of-the-mill that's their normal expected um increases that we would have um some and then the other funds of the city that that uh we have so road and transportation uh related to those taxes you can see a large focus uh in relation to those uh in the capital area um so we've been focusing on getting more dollars into that capital arena so that we can um obviously have continue to have the best roads in particularly in maybe in the state right Chris.

Absolutely. That's what I thought.

Uh you know we we've already had a discussion about care taxes. U part of that 6.7% increase is related to use of uh appropriating some reserves that we've had in the past uh to this particular budget. Um and then the redevelopment agency it's a primarily just related to the uh the mall university place uh CDA that we have there. Um that property tax evaluation has been kind of up and down. So this year we always tend to budget a little bit conservatively. So based on our prior year receipt I'm I'm budgeting conservatively again. um our development fees. Uh you can see the personnel change there. Primarily that has relation to uh Mr. Yman and when he retired some reconfiguring in relation to the staff that is still there and the changing of their duties and whatnot. So we don't anticipate that that will continue. That was kind of just a one-year blip. Um and the remaining funds that we have uh we just to make you aware we do have a telecommunications fund that is related to Utopia. Um and and you may or may not be aware of we once upon a time had people uh they bought just like you have a sewer lateral. They would buy the fiber line between the main line in the street and their house. It was called a Q. and they would uh finance that queue. That queue is financed through the city. They pay the city and then we forward those funds to Utopia and that's continuing with until those exhaust and those are getting near the end of those as you can tell by the amount of money that is related to them. Uh our impact fee accounts and capital projects you

might be going wow that seems really small for capital projects. Keep in mind there's not a lot of revenue in the capital projects fund. So most of when you're thinking the big dollars, those are saved monies from all of those CIP transfers that have been coming from year to year. That's not new money. So that does not get accounted for as part of our budget. So uh the primary thing you see here are related to our cell tower leases. that is almost all of the money that is the new revenue that is in the capital projects fund is related to cell tower leases that we have and then I combined just for uh space sake foundation our uh ORM foundation and uh community and neighborhood services um we had some changes in relation to the uh to Gary and and uh what he his pay and what he does for the city in relation to being and that's covered through our our uh HUD um award grant award. Um but I wanted you to note as you can see on the far right that HUD money, that grant is continuing to decrease year after year after year. Um and so this year is no exception. It is continuing to decline.

Um and then you say Gary, you mean Gary Leoo? Yes. Dr. Gary McInn enforcement neighborhood improvement. Correct. Little Gary we call it 7 foot little Gary.

That's correct. Uh and then our senior citizens fund which to be honest as you can tell exactly the same as the year before. Um they they don't vary a whole lot so tend their budget tends to not vary very much. kind of the to get through the kind of the end items here uh personal expansions which um Sarah alluded to uh in here and one of the items she she didn't have in there is uh in relation to our privacy area. We're intending to have a hire an intern to help us get through those uh those privacy elements uh for for uh I believe it's with Steve if I remember correctly. Um, and so those pieces uh are very important for our IT. Um, and I can't stress enough from a finance perspective how important um, our IT folks are, particularly our programmers in relation to the how our finance functions throughout the city um because it would be very very difficult without them, almost impossible to to be able to do that. So, and um some of the expansions which Carlo already has kind of outlined. Um so I'm not going to necessarily repeat those, but you can see the dollar impact in relation to the the items that we have there and and what that means as far as those individual elements are concerned. And last but not least, um within our transportation fund, those transportation funds, we have set aside dollars in relation to the trail head that's at the lower cemeter that would be at the lower cemetery. Uh we've also added some funds in relation to our solid waste fund uh in relation to tree pruning replacement and planting um in support the my hometown initiatives. And then the last item in our self-

insurance fund, we've set aside dollars um in relation to event fencing. It's we refer to a sinking fund as sinking funds are we save some dollars each year similar to how we built this building and eventually we have enough money to be able to get enough of the thing that we're looking at to be able to get it and that it can be something meaning you know actually meaningful instead of just buying one barricade at a time which may or may not do us any good. So anyway that's what I have. Are there any questions? question. You go back just one slide. Is that the only money that the city's providing partnering with my hometown or are there other

No, there are other funds. These are in addition to the expansion. Yes. Well, we have all what we normally set aside.

I can just also emphasize it fund. Just keep in mind that we say it fund but it benefits every department, every fund throughout the whole city. Yeah. And and I should have I should have mentioned that obviously all of our internal service funds are allocated out to um other funds. Some of the general fund, some enterprise funds, some uh in other areas, but so they're just a way to accumulate those costs. So we know what does it for instance, what does facilities maintenance, what does it cost us in total um before it's actually sent out and charged to all of these other funds. Okay. Right.

Just to make sure. So, next week we're having another work session, work session only on budget. Then the week after that is a regular council meeting and you'll pres presenting the tenative budget. Yeah. Next week will be our fleet. Okay. And our capital improvement project items. So big we're talking big dollars. Okay. Is the tenant budget, if you could remind me, is that a public hearing? Um it's it's been a public hearing in the past. Well, I have we have to have a I have to have a discussion um based upon these new law changes whether you still need it to be or not.

Okay. I just was wondering if it had to be an official public. And and right now, to be honest, I'm I'm going to try to convince Steve it does not need to be any longer. Okay. Anyway. All right. Thank you. You ate all the work all everyone all the departments are done and Brandon you're the say the cat wrangler say cats but friend with his cat. All right. Thank you. Where is Jake? There you are. He's snuck in. Walking to the front.

All right. Our next item is a presentation on short-term rentals. And before we get started, I visit just want to let the rest of council know that I visited with Jake and we discussed kind of the process of this meeting and what what our hopes are for when we conclude this work session that Jake has a timeline. he'd like to get certain pieces of information from us and I would I want to encourage you if you do have questions of course to ask them but u he has certain things that he would like to cover and and Jake I'm going to speak for you too because we talked about what our what our hopes and dreams are for this meeting when this meeting ends our hopes are that we will have an ordinance or Jake will have enough direction to be able to present an ordinance to us for formal consideration ation at our May 12th meeting. So that that's the hope that I that we have

no like we would have that I think the discussion that we're having today would feed into that and I think maybe we can make some decisions not decisions because we can't make formal decisions here but give direction and have the discussion today. I would like to see uh it on the agenda to be adopted on the 12th. But if the council feels if we don't depending on how far we get or whatever, we can discuss that and if we need to move it to the 26th, we can do that as well. But that's that's what I hope. But let's just see what Jake hopes as we've talked. But let's just I kind of like to let things settle for a little bit. So I was hoping that we'd have one more meeting, but let's see how this goes. Yeah. Let's see how it goes. I'm open to that. Okay.

Yeah. So the mayor turn over to you.

Thank you. Yeah. Uh you you said it exactly. The purpose here is to basically see where we have directional consensus as a council and and where where the council feels comfortable moving forward. Um this isn't about committing anybody to any one particular sentence that will then become code or taking any formal opinions or votes or anything like that, but rather where is there consensus? where can we build upon and then what direction do we have so we can have a working draft to present to the council in coming meetings. Um so kind of the framework for the discussion um is I I view this as three separate mini discussions and discussion one I think there's going to be a lot of consensus already. What are the guiding principles? What are our values? Um I anticipate that that discussion can be accomplished in an area about 5 to 10 minutes. Um discussion two is is really based on those values and principles. I've I've prepared three potential different paths forward. Um, and I will go over each of those different paths and I think that that will be a foundational discussion really on how the council moves forward with this. I anticipate that that discussion may take much more time, 30 to 40 minutes. Um, and then discussion three, we get a little bit more into the weeds. What are the actual implementations? What are the things we want to do? If you were to choose option two or option three, what are the concerns that are out there? What are the tools we can use to mitigate some of those concerns and and balance the needs of neighborhoods and STR operators? Before you go on, I just want to just so those who are online listening, just so you as information that Jake and I since we've last discussed this have met with each council member individually and and we've discussed this to get ideas and so

this isn't the first time that that we've discussed this or I have or Jake and I have been working on this and we discussed I appreciate council members taking the time to to meet and to discuss in just one-on-one meetings or one and two meet ones to twos to just get some ideas of what direction. So anyway, sorry here I tell everyone to you know I digress us bring me back apologize.

No, no problem. Um, I added this quote in the bottom of this and I and I like it and I would hope that it helps kind of guide is um, part of the word question is the word quest. And really that's kind of what the last maybe three years of my life has been with this project. Bit of a quest sometimes felt like tilting at windmills but nonetheless we are on a quest. Um, we're all on the same team. I think we're all trying to make ORM a better place, a better place for everybody to live, to work, recreate, etc. Um, so again, please please chime in. The only way I know where there is consensus is if I'm hearing opinions and and seeing where people are aligned. Um, so as we did these many meetings and as we've talked about it, things I've heard I've kind of categorized into four different guiding principles and priorities. Number one is really how do we maintain neighborhood character and how do we make sure our neighborhoods are stable? How do we ensure for neighborhood stability? Second is how do you promote the ordinance that balances fairness between, you know, property rights owners and as well as neighbors? And also, how do you make sure that we're following what the, you know, the consent of the public is? Even though some of that might be a silent majority that really isn't voicing their opinions at at personal appearances, uh they may be doing it through emails, they may not even really be engaged much on this topic. Uh, one of the things I've seen over the last three years is um, regardless of the work sessions, regardless of the the number of people that come out, it seems like every now and then we'll get the person that says, "I didn't even know this was something something that's been on the city council's agenda." And so really, how do you know the public consent when you don't really know what, you know, the silent majority really is wanting out there? Uh, next is the legal and operational viability of any ordinance. It has to be defensible. actually has to be enforceable. It can't be overly

complex because it needs to be implemented in some way that's meaningful. And then four is just holistically how do we ensure the public health, welfare, and safety of our community. Um, okay, before I move on, because this is kind of that that guiding principle. So, if I were to ask each of the council members, if you were to look back 5 years from now after you've adopted an ordinance and that ordinance was a success, what would the neighborhoods of ORM look like to you? I'm going to pose that question and then it'll be awkward silence like I'm teaching Sunday school.

I think they would look a lot like they look now and maybe a little stronger. Okay. stronger and I picture neighborhoods where people have the opportunity to to live there permanently over long term

and just based on emails that we've received and things like that place neighborhoods where um to the mayor's point they're long-term because they're able to own a home and they're they also feel comfortable enough with the neighborhood the their neighbors and having those connections that the children are playing in the street together. There's a that sense of safety and um definitely that community connection I think is important.

Okay. As as you've each vocalized kind of your your vision if if there was an ordinance in five years from now, do these principles and priorities align with that vision or is there something that's missing from this slide? I would push back on the word fairness just a little bit because we're in this position of having to make an ordinance because it's already not fair. We don't we're not in the business of making ordinances just to make ordinances because something's not going right already that they're in the position of having to address it. So there's already this level of unfairness around short-term rentals that exists. And so I guess balanced fairness maybe makes sense a little bit, but it's already inherently unfair.

And Crystal, I think we could also frame that also maybe a little bit differently and say, you know, how do you explain maybe a prohibition in a way that shows the equity between maintaining neighborhood character and what our our standards have been in the past in our land use code. So I mean fairness can be framed and defined different ways. Also under that one I those things that you've listed democratic equitable reflect a shared vision. So for me one of mine is principled. I try to make a principal decision that doesn't um that if that takes into account the future of one not just the many voices I'm hearing now you know something that is possibly not popular

right it's for what the vision vision right of the future so of course that's going to maybe be a little different based on who you're talking to but um I think it if princip is just a word I really like. Would you mind asking the question for councelor Kilp? You had to step out for a moment. Sorry. Yeah. So, the question I question I asked to the group was if you were to look back 5 years from now um at having passed an ordinance that deals with short-term rentals, whether it's a a prohibition or regulation of some type. Um and that ordinance was a success. What do Orum neighborhoods look like to you to show that that was a success? You want me to answer?

Yeah. um more uh familyfriendly, more um uh considering the the single family home rather than putting basically hotels in the middle of city of residential areas.

So that's kind of um the general thought of looking back. We wouldn't want to be thinking that our neighborhoods are now geographical hotel uh coming to stay locations, but they're family lo family neighborhoods that kids can grow up and go out on the street and play and have fun and and and uh yet be aware of those that have successfully managed this thing called short-term. and their neighbors have been supportive because they've always been quiet and successful and friendly and all those other things. So, they deal very fine balance. And as you Oh, Jeff, can I I agree with everything that's been said. Um, if I could just add one thing, it would be neighborliness. I feel like that's something we lost uh during co we all kind of turned inward and it feels like neighborhoods aren't quite as neighborly as they have been in the past and you know so you know as we're looking at wishes I I would love to go back to a time where we're a little more you know we're out in the street talking more where they said kids are playing in the street riding their bikes shadows and so I I think that's a valuable part of any community is that togetherness.

And I would like to add I think I agree with everything that's been said as well. And I think I would also like to add that I think it would be great if we could help families find ways to use their properties in ways that suit them and their goals. Whatever that may be, whether that's staying in their home or whether that's, you know, being neighborly, whatever it is, let's help families use their assets in a way that makes sense to them. So, now that I again everybody's here, let me ask Quinn does Quinn have anything I can say? Yeah. Thank you, mayor, and thank thanks, Jake. Um, I I'll just add that, you know, the things you put on the slide, I think,

all make good sense to me as well. Um, we want to make sure that residents feel like um they're comfortable in their neighborhoods. Uh, that short-term rentals, right, would be low density in those neighborhoods if we have them. Um I also it's really important to me that um those that have a high stake in this decision have a seat at the table and are able to meaningfully uh resolve any concerns that people might have. Um and um that you know h housing affordability is important to me and and the ability uh of those who own homes or are paying mortgages to supplement their income in ways that that don't detract from the quality of the neighborhood is important to me. And then and then to the group um again based off those visions is there anything that is missing as a guiding principle or a priority as a class that should that should be mentioned here? Okay, if there's no objections, I'm going to move forward to the next slide. So, as I indicated, um, based on our our many meetings and based on one-on-one conversations with council members and and based on also meeting with STR operators and and neighborhoods, trying to see what possible paths there are. Um really I'm presenting three different potential options forward. Option one um and we can talk about these individually or we can talk about them collectively as a as a group. But option one high level is um that we just clarify the prohibition that's already in our land use code. Um that transate lodging is is not allowed in any residential zone. Um,

and I'll just flip over to that slide real quick as well. Um, basically, um, what we would be doing is we would be adding language that makes it a lot clearer to all of those, um, that would have a stake as to what Worm stance is with short-term rentals. And that would be that short-term rentals clearly fall under the definition of transient lodging and that transient lodging is not allowed in any residential zone. Um, as I as I looked at comparable cities, uh, there had been previously three cities that had this type of language. Uh, West Jordan, Mapleton, and Alpine. However, West Jordan recently passed um, an ordinance that does allow short-term rental licensing, and they did so within the last year. And so, that's a relatively new development. Um, and then as you can see on the side, the uh the other cities that I list there find themselves in the same situation that ORM is currently. Um, they they for all intents and purposes have a ban or a prohibition, but it is it's buried in their land use code. It's not clear and definitive.

I have a question. Yes. Those cities I mean I look at Vineyard and I think if I wanted to go on, you know, or one of those sites today, there's no way I would buy just looking up an STR. I mean, you're looking right now. So that so I'm sure they exist. So maybe the code is clear but the they any sense of like how many they're doing or how often they exist or

Well I I haven't looked specifically to see how many are listed in vineyard. Um one thing I do know is because again in their land use code is particular um one of the reasons that our numbers seem somewhat inflated when we scrape data to find out how many is the STR operators in vineyard are using ORM addresses to list their VRBs. I have a question and a comment. Just a first a comment. I just want to clarify that when I talked to how Jake and I met. Um, council member of Kilpac was was out of town and I didn't have a chance. He's the only one I have we didn't have a chance to meet one-on-one with. I just want to clarify that. Second, I want to have a question on this. Is this is 22 is that our zoning ordinance or is that is this or would this be in the license? Where would this reside?

So, if we were to take the the the path forward that we clarify the ban, it would be in our zoning code. Okay. Okay. So, it be in the zoning ordinance. Okay. Thank you. Correct. It's not currently. Um, it is currently read in the back.

What it what it says is under 2219. It says any and you know, Steve, if you want to help me out, but basically says uh to have a permitted land use, you have to refer to our appendix A, which is our land use table, to see if that use is permitted. And then it breaks down every zone and it says by SLU code or or land use code what is permitted in that zone. and transient lodging is a non-p permitted use in any residential zone. So, it's several steps to find that answer, but yes, it's currently in our code. What I'd be looking to do is to move it forward and make it clear. Can I make a comment? Yes.

So, a couple of those cities, this last week, we were at our League of Cities and Towns convention with other city. couple of those cities I asked there that question, you know, I've got you down on the list that you don't allow them. What are your thoughts? And um one in particular, Saratoga was um you know, right now we're interested in housing people and not being hotels in our city. So, we're comfortable where we are. So, I would kind of um I mean, there was another one very similar statement. Um, so I I just say that to clarify because it cuz I understand that Airbnb, VBO, there's a lot of pressure right now on cities to allow them. There is a political movement to do that. So, it was interesting to hear that particular mayor say, "No, we're not we're not, you know, we're not interested in that."

Okay. Going back now to option two just to kind of give the high level. Option two is kind of the first entry into short-term rental regulation and that is that you only allow owner occupied short-term rentals uh to operate within the city. Um, basically we would have and we can again I I'll move forward to that slide so you can kind of see the overview of this is um if that was the option we'd want to have a more in-depth conversation of how do we define owner occupied currently as as as I've played around with the language and draft and um is it would be anybody with a 50% ownership interest in the property itself. Um, we would have limitations about corporate entities being able to qualify as owner occupied. Um, to be a owner occupied, you'd have to reside at that residence. You would have to be your primary resident, which means you reside there at least 183 days a year. Um and this is one of the areas that we could have a a further discussion is under really basic understanding of owner occupied is that the owner resides in the primary residence portion of the home. So if you wanted to just that where they could live in perhaps maybe the ADU portion and rent out the primary, we would just need to make some corrections or changes to our code. Uh the second part is that uh owner occupied uh STRs would would go through a licensing process where they'd have to they'd have to provide proof of ownership. Uh they'd have to pri provide proof of occupancy. Um they'd have to show that the the property doesn't conflict with any sort of deed restrictions or any other sort of covenant protections. Um would want them to go through an STR management course

trying to identify that currently. Maybe it's a hospitality course through UVU. Um, they have to submit a parking plan. They'd have to show that they're insured uh for that type of operation. They would be subject to inspections from our building department and our fire department to ensure that that dwelling portion that's going to be rented is safe and and habitable and that they pay all respective fees to the city. So, if it's a separate like a separate apartment or whatever unit, would they need does this require them to get an accessory dwelling unit license and bring that bring that accessory dwelling up to code?

So, that could be an option and and that's really where I have that in in discussion three is as as we as where I can see where there's consensus. If if the desire was to move forward with an owner occupied only, uh we could get a little bit further into the weeds with do we require them to have an accessory apartment permit prior to obtaining short-term rental license. Um these licenses would be annual licenses. Uh there would be no vested rights. It would not be a land use. This would be found under our business licensing code. Can I just back up? So parking plan just do we have a standard?

Yes. And again that will be in discussion three is what is that standard? Where does this council feel comfortable with that? Um so just so so I understand your presentation you're going to go through these points.

Yes. Um there would be no vested rights um in in the license because it is a discretionary license. uh that license would be good for a year uh through the through that year or until the home is sold. Uh these licenses are not transferable. Um and if the council at any future date decided they wanted to amend or discontinue the program because there is no vested right, the council would be free to act and make those changes. Um and then we get into the regulation portion of that regulation and enforcement is can we be focusing on these would be for overnight accommodation only. Um there would be requirements for uh maintenance standards of the property to comply with our our already existent existing residential maintenance uh requirements. A 247 uh 247 hour response even if they the owner has gone on vacation, they would need to have somebody available to respond in case there is a nuisance uh at the home. There would be quiet hours. Uh lighting requirements as far as screening and shielding to make sure there is no light transpass onto neighboring properties. Noticing requirements meaning that they would have to provide notice to the neighbors by putting a placard as to who that 24hour 7 days a week response person is as well as if law enforcements get called they know who to contact. Um and that the tenants know of what the expectations are as well. Um, there would be some uh limitations on advertising. They'd have to list their short-term rental license number. They'd have to uh only be able to to advertise for what they actually can, you know, use that property for. So, again, accommodations only. You can't advertise it as this is a great place to hold a corporate event. This is a great uh wedding venue. Um, that's not for overnight accommodations. So, they couldn't advertise for that. And then

again, um, uh, payment of any, uh, transient room tax, all fees, and then if there's, um, issues with enforcement, the obtain three violations in any 12-month period, uh, the city could revoke or suspend that short-term rental license, and then prohibit them from obtaining one in the future if the city so chose. So, that's again the 5,000 ft view of option two. Option three is basically the next step and that would be you keep all the same terms of option of option two the owner occupied but then you introduce a second tier and that second tier would be the nonowner occupied STR and these uh would have all of the same regulations imposed upon them except for they would have three potentially additional regulations and one would be a density requirement and I' I've provided here two different density um mitigations. One is you do it a thousand feet or whatever the distance the council feels as the appropriate distance and you do it as the crow flies between property line to property line. That way you don't end up with three or four STRs clustered right in the same um same street, same culde-sac and so a neighbor doesn't have a whole bunch of vacant STRs around them. So, are we talking radius or just linear?

It would be radius. You would go from property line to property line in a radial corner of the property line. From any property line to any property,

the other option is that you look at it through our neighborhood. Um, we already have divided ORM into several neighborhoods. Um, you would start with a base of each neighborhood would have uh the ability to have two nonowner occupied STR uh licenses issued for that neighborhood and then you would add one non-owner occupied STR per 100 single family detached dwellings. So that could increase. Um, as you notice in there though, there is no spacing requirement. So you could end up with clustering. The uh second would be a safe pedestrian restriction and that is as you look at um uh what has ORM school district decided its name is I don't know

so as temponogus is required to um do a safe walking plan for each elementary and junior high u we'd want to ensure that if there's a non-owner occupied STR um that they're not in that safe pedestrian zone and so we would restrict them,000 ft or what again whatever the council feels comfortable based on that pedestrian travel from this the elementary or the junior. So would that be from like crosswalks fors?

Yep. So you would go from the the nearest entrance of the school, you would do it as a pedestrian travel and if it's in within a thousand feet of that pedestrian travel prohibiting it. The third would be potentially a numerical cap and that numerical cap is again would be set on based on a number that the council feels comfortable with. Uh, as a placeholder, I've put up 100 non occupied STR licenses would be eligible throughout the city. Um, these would be the over and above requirements on non-owner occupied STRs. with those 5,000 foot view of each of these options kind of want to open it up to a discussion amongst the council and see where there's alignment or comfort with a different approach. Um,

I have a question back on the previous slide. Number of non-owner occupied. I know I've asked this before, so please forgive my um, do we know how many non-owner occupied STRs there are in ORM? I do not have any reliable number that I can give you. Okay,

I can tell you and and the reason I don't have a reliable number is ORM has never tracked this. We've never had an STR license program. So, we've never ask for owner occupied versus non-owner occupied. Um, if you go out to the internet and look at different websites, there are different met there are different numbers that you can find. Um, air what does it say? It's air ROI is a website that show gives a whole bunch of different market analytics for STRs. They anticipate that 80% of ORM's STR U market is nonowner occupied. 80

80% is what air error ROI says. Is that a valid number? I don't know. And that's based on uh income records. That's based I don't know how they've or derived at that number. They're they're looking at ads and they're saying if it's for a whole home or whole town home or whole apartment we believe 80% of those are are nonowner occupied commercial. They're commercial full commercialities.

Yeah. If you take the number which we believe is to be somewhat accurate in the area of 230 to 250 STRs operating in the city, that puts the number around 160 to 180. Again, I can't say that that's reliable. I'm just letting you know what I've seen on the internet. Well, I'd like to put that in context, too. I think I mean the numbers we're talking about here of STRs generally is less than 1% of our entire housing market. And then the number of owner occupied is less than that or you know, non-owner occupied. It's about 6%, right? But 1% of how many houses do we have? I believe we have 33,000 dwelling units in the city.

So, if you do half of those, I was just doing some math. You do half of the Let's say we did half or single family. I don't know what that number is. How many single family homes we have? Is that 33,000? That's including apartments. That's including apartments, multifamily. 20 around 24,000. Yeah, I unfortunately I don't have that number off the top of my head. Don't know everything. I wish I wish it. It's just not it's just not on his right there. I'll

I'll go ahead and if you can go back to the three options. I'll just throw it out there to start start the conversation or people like whatever is just to tell you where I stand and I'm not expecting all of you to take a position this unless you would like to and just talk about it because we're not doing we're not voting or anything but I just want to tell you where I'm at right now. I I am not option one I I don't want to have a complete ban on them. Option two, I'm comfortable with only owner occupied. I'm okay with that. That's kind of where I'm sitting. I'm still really struggling with option three. I think the numbers that would make me feel comfortable for with option three, the number of total units is probably going to be much much lower than what's been presented because I really I do have my some I have concerns, but I'm I'm most interested in option two at this point, but I'm still open to ideas. I haven't I haven't shut the door completely on option three. I just want to hear what your what your thoughts are. And there I just so that's where I stand right now.

May Mayor, I'm happy to to share a couple of ideas if that's helpful. Yeah. Um I I just am so grateful to our residents who have been, you know, really active in helping us think through this. Um I you know I I think I've heard uh more from people on this topic than any other topic since I've been a a council member and uh so many of those those resident comments are are just really thoughtful. We're not laughing at you, Quinn. We're just laughing because we we with you. I feel your pain.

Feel it. Yes. Same. Well, you know, I mean, it uh obviously people have have strong feelings about it, but but I really genuinely u feel like I'm better better educated on this topic because of of the the range of insight that people have provided. And so, I just I just want to acknowledge um how important this is to people uh how thoughtful they are in helping us think through it. Um I I feel like I've learned a lot from a lot of people. Um, you know, the way the way I think about this is is I'm I'm trying to figure out at the at the base, you know, in agreement with the principles we've discussed previously, what are the problems we're trying to solve? And I think there are problems that we need to solve. So, you know, um, we we want any of these properties to not be a nuisance with parking or lighting or safety. Um, we want that, you know, an ordinance to be easily enforceable. We don't want to put the enforcement on neighbors. That's really important. We we I think we all really want to preserve the character of our neighborhoods and and u that's really important to me. Um, as I look at the the options that Jake presented, um, again, u, you know, I, uh, if I had to to choose today, I really think that some version of the two-tier system makes sense, um, for me. And the reason for that is that I think all of those problems that we've heard about can be resolved within the context of that. um the numbers that we're looking at there that Jake's presented in any of those iterations is really just a fraction of 1% of our residences. So, so the the chance that uh any individual resident um will be surrounded by u Airbnbs is just, you know, minutely low um with an

ordinance like this. And so I I feel like there are really um good ways of resolving all of those those challenges that people uh have raised. And I think we do need to be conservative about the way in which we uh you know we uh allow people to operate these within our community uh to meet you know the the challenges that that have been raised over and over again. But I I do want uh to keep that in perspective in terms of this just the the tiny scale uh of of numbers there. Um and the I I I just want to thank Jake um in particular for thinking through all of the ways in which we can enforce these in in a meaningful way that make it just um easy to control nuisance. Now that doesn't mean that we'll never have a problem. Um, but I have heard from dozens and dozens of residents u that they value having the opportunity to rent their home uh in this context um or that they value the opportunity to bring family in to um visit for a family reunion and that that having some opportunity um to bring those benefits to our residents is important to me. Thanks.

Thank you um Council Member Makin. I appreciate your thoughts and I just want to echo what you said. I appreciate those who've engaged with us as a council and staff to share their thoughts and their opinions. I have this binder with information and I've read every email and I I appreciate the input on all sides of the issues of the of the issue. So, any other council members want to comment?

I'll I'll weigh in. Um, thanks Quinn. Um, I I feel comfortable with option two. Um, I go back and forth with option three with extreme guardrails. Um, and well, you you had a number of hundred. Um, and I go back to something that Councilman Philpac said, we don't want hotels in the middle of our neighborhoods. So I I at this point I would say I'm comfortable with option two. Um could be persuaded uh with very limited depending on circumstances and situations uh option three. Um but but I feel very comfortable with option two. Um, I would, and I don't know, it seems like somewhere along the way in some of the correspondence, this may have been uh years ago or months ago, and maybe I'm making it up, but it seemed like there was a question. someone that came and talked to us talked about uh having a property next door to so and my concern with about the non-owner occupied is that every concern that we've had has come from a nonowner non-owner occupied. I don't think it's ever come or that that I'm aware of that we've had concerns raised from a property where the owner is on site. So my other question is if there were a situation where someone had I guess it wouldn't really be owner occupied if they didn't live there, but if they had a property next door, they could respond um to an immediate concern. I would be

interested in exploring that as well. But maybe that just maybe that makes it more complicated in in weighing those two uh situations makes it a little bit more complicated as far as what we can and can't do. Did I make does anyone remember someone talking to I think it was in an email about that comment meeting during the meeting somebody said that I live next door to my for example my father's home some of the past and now we're we keep the home and we use it for STRs except when our family comes and we use it for them to be housed in but it was someone who owns an old house STR not their previous they bought the house next door to them and they live in then they live next door next door

so it wasn't their family home or anything it's an investment Oh, got it. They rented out long term but then found it more profitable to rent out TR.

So the way we would approach that is one I wouldn't want to expand the definition of what owner occupied means um beyond what the traditional understanding of owner occupied. What that then does is it creates where we would say if you are a resident of or if you live x far away from a home, we will treat you differently than we would treat anybody else. And what that does is it opens us up to litigation for violating the commerce clause and where we would be treating insters very differently than outsters. And so that's where it becomes very calm.

Thank you for letting me think through that your visiting. Uh, first of all, I also echo what Karen and Quinn and I have said as well about resident input. We've gotten tons of input about this and I feel like the residents have really been thoughtful in the way we handle it. Um, having lived here in Airbnb, you know, I don't want to see 25 cars out there and we saw that regularly. So, I understand that there are valid concerns and that I understand that people that have have these Airbnbs, you know, where they trying to stay in their home and this allows them to do that. So, I think there really good arguments on both sides of this question. My question really is though, are we trying to regulate ownership or are we trying to regulate impact? And I think how you answer that question maybe speaks to us a little bit. I don't know that it matters. I don't think the residents really care who owns the house as long as the impact is being managed. And I think that option three um with a specific set of guard rails allows us to manage the impact in a way that is you know maybe fair to everyone involved. I think the other thing too is when we talk about these Airbnbs that have been problems and there have been some significant problems um our our hands were kind of tied in a lot of ways because we didn't have regulations on the books. So I think that the regulations act as guardrails that protect the neighbors and protect the property owner and with you know a reasonable set of regulations we can say look you have the opportunity to try it strikes you out if it doesn't work then you lose the opportunity and we're done. We close the books we move on from that. So um I think you've done an excellent job with option three. I read through your proposed legislation and I think you did a really good job balancing all the different viewpoints in a way that feels really fair to everyone and allows people latitude to live and protect the neighborhoods is like the number one priority. So I think you did support option three.

Thank you. And Jen, I just want to echo I you actually asked the question that I I've had here is as a way to help facilitate the discussion is are we trying to regulate behavior or are we trying to regulate identity? And and I think people are coming at this with different perspectives and some do want to regulate identity and some are trying to regulate behavior. Does that Yeah, go ahead and finish your sentence. I was going to say does that does that help you move the conversation forward?

To answer your question um ownership versus behav impact. I think from my feeling that I do answer to me is yes because I think owners if the owner is living in the neighborhood that there's a more sensitivity to what's happening as it kind of it affects the impact but also the owner is part of the neighborhood and is integrated and and being part of that connection that's there and and can help regulate that impact. So, it's kind for me it's kind of both.

Yeah. And I can see that side of it. And I think also um you know, if you have a strict set of guidelines and regulations, these owners are going to be motivated to be nice neighbors because if they don't, they lose their license. So, I think that maybe is a natural guardrail that sort of speaks to that um and helps you know everybody. Now, on the guard rail with a is three strikes, is that a legally for lack of legally magic number? No, not a magic number. So, they Plus, I think there's the requirement that you have to have somebody within 10 minutes or 20 minutes to, you know, to address whatever issue there is. So, I'm not sure that three is not any sort of a magic number. Yeah, it could be two. We could do one,

but again, we threw three to give a little bit more due process. Okay. But yeah, I mean you only get one red card in soccer

in a swim meet. You only get one you get zero false start. You're out. You're out. There you go. Anybody going to want to share where they're at?

I am in favor of option one and I could be persuaded to option two. And the thing that I'm caught up on here is one of Quinn's things that he said was easily enforceable is I don't feel like any of this is easily enforcable. The the onus is put on the neighbors to regulate this. If there's a problem, it is on them to complain about the problems that they are experiencing. And that's the the piece that still has not been answered for me. And um in talking with people all over the city through their emails and after, you know, public comments and things like that and asking them, hey, well, what about an only owner occupied thing? They said, okay, but if there's a problem, it's still I have to complain. I have to be the bad guy. I have to

I have to be the one who's on it all the time and providing pictures and the onus is still on the neighbors when there is a problem. And so that's the piece that I still I don't like putting that onus on residents that when there is a problem, they have to complain and complain and complain and complain to see any change. I I think you could make that same argument though for anything, you know, whether that's a long-term rental next door or whether that's somebody's shed out back. Like I think any situations you could rely on the neighbors to enforce. So to me, I feel like I'm not sure that

the difference between a long-term rental and a short-term rental is that long-term rental, it's the same people who are there time after time after time. And the short-term rental, it's I don't know what I'm getting every day of the week. I don't know if it's going to be a quiet night or if it's going to be a loud party night. And that's a hard uncertainty to live with. I think

in a neighborhood, I think the owner occupied reduces that stress level a bit. And so I could I could be persuaded to the owner occupied, but until we can answer that piece of the equation, I don't like putting the hotel in a neighborhood that means now the neighbors have to regulate that over and over and over and over again. They signed up to live in a single family home neighborhood. They didn't sign up to live in a commercial area where hotels are are allowed. So, and I'm gonna Oh, well, I want to add to that, too,

because I'm here because I'm on the same page. I our neighborhood commission said they wanted total prohibition. They asked the they surveyed their residents and se it was really interesting to see one member of the commission come back and say, you know, I didn't realize that I had two down the street from me and that the neighbors next door were frustrated with those that they didn't want to talk about their neighbors. They didn't want to complain because um a couple of them have these three um another in another area. They knew the owners because they had previously lived in the home and they were now renting it out as a short-term rental. So, there's that. I don't want to be the rat.

Non-owner. Non-owner occupied. Yeah. I don't want to be the one ratting people out here. friend. So that onus on the neighbor, um I think there it's just boiling behind the below the surface so many times. That's not fair. That's not equitable. That's not renewing what we've decided our values were there in my opinion. How is it different than a long ter, you know, a renter next door that's longterm that's problematic or or any of those things? and especially if it's report the reporting is anonymous which it is in either case.

Um how is it different? Um it's not. We are have a serious problem with long-term rentals right now and that's our next thing to tackle. So why would we pass something based on a failing model? Well, I think the model is that residents all of us have a civic responsibility or I guess opportunity to mention things that areating to us. So whether that's reporting an STR or whether that's reporting that somebody's grass isn't the right size or you know whatever it is. So I not sure that that's maybe our best option. And I think the other option I have is we start talking about

Oh wait no before you move on. I don't agree with that. I don't think our residents when they move into a home are signing up to being the police of their neighborhood and talk complaining about I mean we don't want that, right? That doesn't create connectivity and community. We don't want them to feel like we are um we're delegating that to them because that's just the way it's going to turn out. You know, I I just don't

Well, maybe I just throw something in really quick. Um along those same lines though, that's true with any neighborhood. None of us want to move into a neighborhood where we have problem neighbors, but we all probably may have a neighbor that's owns their property that's living there that's not an STR with. So that's I mean that's just part of living in a community is you don't pick your neighbors, but you try to be the best neighbors that you can. Um, so I mean that's I don't know that we that any of us sign up for or get additional responsibility to rat on our neighbors. That's just part of living in a community,

right? But passing this ordinance, we are creating that. So right now the total prohibition where our law now stands um we have a tight clamp on that. Well, we will this has been we all know the history here. we introduce more legislation that creates this opportunity or a change in the neighborhood from what Chris said from a purely residential to now an investment commercial venture a a business if you will. We are then putting that on the neighbors who have lived there under the expectation that they live in a residential area. So, while that does exist with long-term rentals,

it doesn't justify adding another ownership. Yeah, but but that was her example was the long-term rentals. Um, it doesn't necessarily justify adding another um, you know, expectation on our residents. Well, maybe too, I'd see it a little bit differently. I see it as an opportunity to provide them a toolkit. So, when there are issues, oh, here's the rules. that we can we all know what the rules are and we can go sort of enforce those rather than just a vague complaint when we don't have answers for now. There's a specific action item that happens, but we're creating that

that could be debated. I think the other question I would have is, okay, well, we're going to say, you know, short-term rentals are a nuisance to the neighborhood. Well, what about daycarees? What about the guy making tamales out of his house? What about all these cottage industry sort of gig economy things that one doesn't justify another? Just because someone else is disobeying the law doesn't mean we allow this. Well, well, let's just give in and let's make it legal.

However, I I will just speak to maybe a little bit of that is we do allow for some home occupation businesses. So, we do allow for some commercial operation within residential, right? I think the question is what is the tipping point? And I think everybody may be coming at this with maybe a little bit different. You know, where are you okay with having commercial venture in a residential zone? And so where is that tipping point for you that that moves a residential neighborhood into more of a commercial use? Is that you can you can run a daycare as long as it doesn't create any impact under the home occupation or you can make food out of your home and sell it at a at a farmers market. Um but is it now that we go to an STR operation is that too far? That's I think that's the conversation. Right.

Right. And I apologize. I want Crystal to be able to finish her. I did have one other reason for referring option one. I am worried about society that we are turning our housing stock into investments for people and that that will a continue to inflate the price of housing and then make it less affordable for people. Again, it's why I could kind of see option two where it allows people to more afford their home and have that opportunity for home ownership. You have an ADU, you can rent that out either as a long-term or short-term rental that covers part of your mortgage payment. So, I'm still wrapping my brain around that part. But especially as a mom of young kids that are going to be going out into the world and trying to afford homes soon, the more we we move towards incentivizing people to turn housing stock into an investment uh product. Um especially as we allow the the property tax exemption for primary residences and things like that statewide. Um I really worry about the ownership or the the affordability ORM is already having that affordability problem and by allowing whole home short-term rentals are we contributing to that affordability problem that we haven't and then if I can speak now um I am the same way I option one you know I want to support our neighborhood commission what they what they uh the survey informal survey that they did I don't see a need I am very every you know I've I'm into my fifth year on the council from day one, um, housing supply, affordability has been just every single time at the tip of the governor's tongue

at all of our, you know, every time a development is brought, that issue comes up. So, why would we take out 240 homes, you know, 1%, why would we take those off the market? That's a lot of homes. when you start looking at families that have children that can come to our schools that we're now closing because we don't have enough families in our in our you know communities that's another topic that we need to consider. So that's why I I think option one why why do we have to prevent present why do we have to provide a um income related uh um opportunity for people who want to buy homes and sell and rent them as short-term rentals. Now, um to that point, to what Crystal said, and we've obviously been talking because I'm like, "Yeah, those are conversations we've both had these ideas." Um I I'm possibly able to be persuaded for option two. Um, but I will say when I hear them say, you know, it's helping me afford my house, I I get that it's also a long-term rental of your ADU also helps you afford your house and you those I've seen those financial models. Housing is not that um you can afford the house with the with the ADU payments in there. Um, I mean, that's a that's an that's a a a good enough or not good enough, but that's an additional income as a homeowner, an owner occupied home through the long-term rental market. And just as a personal note, you know, my child's in Springville because they couldn't even find an ADU to rent in ORM going to BYU, right? So, once again, our supply issue.

Are we clamping down on supply? And just as an example to the inflationary um if impact and I've seen Airbnb they've mar they're marketing this they are marketing whole homes uh if you buy this house this $600,000 house is a steal because it really at a short-term rental income rate you are creating a home that's really worth 750,000 800,000 What in the heck is that doing? That that is inflating the cost of our housing. It's making money to buy comparables um

be seen as comparables to the price of housing the real estate appraisals. So those are my issues. It's a it's from a affordability issue, from a housing supply issue, from an inflationary issue. Um I don't see it as necessarily something that we have to provide. Besides the additional in addition to

um you say it's only one house 1% but if we look at these ones that have been affected the man who woke up and had someone swimming in his pool no in his backyard pool um it does it's not just that house it affects all the neighbors on street. So that's my thoughts that I share before I steer the conversation into our third discussion. And I haven't spoken yet. Am I the only one left? Yes. So I'll be very brief. You ready? Same as mayor and Jeff.

I I'm persuaded that two is probably where I'd go because I think that's the option of either ADU or short-term could work. I'm persuaded at a limited tiered with heavy guard rails and a much lower number than what you projected too to be mist that's that's again the close to I think we're close it's just I the thought process I know of a couple that aren't owner occupied that could qualify and there's reasons for it so that's why I'm not saying no

again don't mean to be that person we need to break for dinner at briefly break for dinner at some point. I don't know when the best point in your presentation. I want to keep the conversation and the momentum going, but just as you're doing your thing, say this might be a good point. This is a natural flow in a natural break at this point. So, okay. And then we can move on to where I think we'll actually have a lot more consensus on on

I totally forgot to invite a council member to discuss the food. Would you Oh, you already stood up. Thank you. I volunteered. Father in heaven, we're grateful for this day, for the opportunities we've had to conduct city business and deliberate on important issues that will affect the citizens of our community. We're mindful of thy influence and pray that it will continue before the food has been prepared and ask that it might nourish and bless our bodies to be nourished and strengthened in our daily lives. watch over the remainder of the events and activities we participate in this evening conducting civil civic duties that were responsible to make sure occur in our fiduciary responsibilities as well. Grateful for all the input and all those who provided it. We continue to feel that uh collaborative unity that will strengthen the decisions going forward. We ask in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Council members, thank you. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate it. All right, we've got dinner here. I don't know.

continue. All right, we'll continue now.

Thank you. Okay. So if we move on to the next section, these would be very specific measures in which we could implement to help mitigate some of the concerns that we've heard over time about STR operations and their impact in neighborhoods both owner occupied as well as the non-owner occupied. uh specifically um I mentioned one but I think there would be a general consensus and if any of these seem out of line with more policies or principles or how you envision a regulation please speak up. Um what is first one is you would want to limit short-term rentals to ensure that they're only for overnight accommodations. So these do not become open event center and wedding receptive vag. Um so these are really meant for visitors who are looking for accommodations overnight and even their family. um they want to have access to a kitchen. They want to have a place they can put kids down for bed. They can then play games with their older kids or if they want to be managed on the property but do so in a way that is in line with where residential use would be and not just that would be some sort of an adult.

Right. So I think we might need to clarify too hard but like the waring events that happened at the go house right somehow clarifying I'm hearing you say the family thing are you going to talk about that

so what I've done is I've taken what in each of I have I've got a shared folder in there there is perspective legislative language um I've taken that and I tried to sort it put it as a summary So in in our overnight accommodation language, there's a much lengthier list of forden activities as they were. Um basically what we're trying to do is this is meant for overnight accommodation. Um the next would be lighting. Um really the only the only complaint as as I've met with residents um the only complaint that we've heard really about owner occupy short-term rentals is about those that have security lighting and somebody who's checking in late at night or they're coming and going in the early morning and you've got security lighting that goes off and that light then trespasses in the top through their bedroom or there's some sort of security camera that's positioned and so they feel that there's a a privacy thing uh a privacy violation or a limitation on their privacy. So what we want to do is that any security measure of any right they're shielded in such a way that that doesn't nothing create a light trespass um or have a negative impact on the neighbor. Um next would be a noise and nuisance control. Really this is going to be maintained through quiet hours uh requirement is that during the weekends uh 1000 pm to 10:00 a.m. be identified as the quiet out which means if you have a sports court amenity uh pool spa sauna um the any of the amenities that would likely to attract you know noise and into the evening party something like that those are to cease operation at 10 p.m. on the pro and not to begin 10:00

a.m. on weekdays 10:00 p.m. to 7 a.m. Um, again, these hours could be adjusted if the council so desires, but again, the thinking of the weekdays is usually people up and going with school and work. So, that would be things in a week. Um, they adopt a noise management plan and really that is they could you either use, you know, some sort of principal monitoring device to help help ensure that there any sort of noise disturbance on the property. If so, the PR operator is alerted to it, mitigate that on their own rather than having a complaint drawn against them. But the other big force, the noise management plan is that they're informing their tenants on what the expectations. Um, so the tenant goes into or the renter goes into knowing I can't be doing I'm not to be

we require that on their advertising materials.

Um, we got some lang. We could look at that. I'm really hesitant to do too much on the requirements on the advertisement language because it is a first amendment area as well as there's some uh state legislation that does put us a little bit um with Nathan's vot um what I'm looking at what I'm looking at as far as our advertisement language is that they're notifying the prospective renter that they are licensed in the city of ORM gives them their STRL license number if an advertisement does not have an STRL license number because they are not licensed with the city. It's a renter beware. So they putting a notice of rent. Okay, if they're not even notice then you wherever you're renting from is probably not and then they can't they can't advertise for a use. That's kind of the limitation of what I've been looking at as far as advertising. really just for them so they don't get a strike.

We could just definitely back it I guess we encourage them to we absolutely could encourage the best practice or or something like that. Okay.

Um the other main qualitative regulation is uh noticing and posting one is we want a game plan to be installed on every STR of who the responsible party is. So if a neighborhood is like hey there's a party going on they go over to knock on the door. And you can see the name for it and the neighborhood the neighbor can choose the neighborhood or do I feel like this isation where I need to get the neighborhood improvement involved or if it's after hours do I need to get a patrol officer the reason with that name plate the patrol officer that's responding or the NIT officer that responds they have a contact person and again if it's after hours name our business licensing or may not be responsive um because nobody's there. Um but with that name plate requirement, we always have access to whoever should be responding to that property. These all

um the second portion of this is uh that there's the 247 uh individual. So again that they have somebody that can respond to the home and again right now we set it at 40 minutes. That time can be adjusted an hour if you want to give them a little bit longer to respond. If you want it to be a shorter time 20 minutes uh we could adjust that. So the requirement is that somebody uh responds to the property or the owner group or the owner and can help resolve mitigate whatever the nuisance call is. uh if it's noise influence partying, if it's potential drug use, something that we could get responsive and direct actions rather than always just hey giving a citation or waiting to give a citation. There can be some sort of remedy that evening. Um also, uh parking requirements and we'll get into detail more on on the parking requirements and the maximum and then they also have to give a package to the tenant. has all of this information in it as well as other miscellaneous contact information like how do you get a hold of the police if it's a non-respond uh non-emergency. So having the non-emergency line, 911, how do you get a hold of the fire department or what's the garbage pickup? Where do you place the garbage cans etc. All the things that we could do to help minimize the potential impact. Any questions about any of the things that I've about minus occupancy requirements and parking because those are separate slides.

Are family reunions considered events or what? How about a good solid mate? Depends on the family together as a family and you're there and have a property where you can play some games but it's not necessarily that you know everybody come good solid for some families family reunions are not cool but there's some people Yeah.

Hold on. I don't understand why that's a maybe. That's an event. If it's at a house that they own, like that one family, she said, "We want to keep this house so we can have a family reunion there." Then they're the residential because they're they own it.

If they are if they're coming together as a group of a family and they're staying there for overnight accommodations and going to let's say a BYU football game, that I don't think is going to draw any attention. I don't know that that would be necessarily anything other than overnight accommodation. But if you were to say everybody to family reunion, bring your bring everybody, bring your friends, come on over. We're having a barbecue and bring 100 people there. And it's it's an event style. Like when my family reunion happens up in Bountiful, there's probably 500 of my kind. We are loud and proud and

and I don't think it wants to and so we we rent out the pavilion there at Bountiful Park. It's an event. That's why I think it's I think it really depends on what that event what that is, what that use actually. Well, and the limiting factor would be the number of cars. That's where they would be in violation if they've raised many

or the occupancy of the home itself, right? If if we're limiting occupances, get into this in a different slide. If the home can accommodate a single family, there's 16 people and and they have the bedroom have the parking available for it and it's a single family that's going to be a valid. But if it's they're bringing 40 people a home that can really truly only accommodate six people, I would say that's a viol. And when you say parking are concluding off street parking, correct? Yes.

Yeah. Council member Hine brought up potential future consistency to withdraw everything that you're talking about here has been or could be applied to regulating. Absolutely. And we can look at also adopting a three strikes policy on our rental building license as well. there are things that we can look at strengthening that program after we cross the finish line here. Okay. Um as as we talk about enforcement and I uh to council member Mule signs point I get it. People don't want to come in and have to testify. They don't want to have to hold on. However, at the same time, it is a multiaceted issue, right? Even if there was a crime, I mean, we don't have minority reports. We don't have any precogs that can tell us who's going to do what, and we can pre pre-prosecute crime. Um, on a retail theft, we're going to respond to Walmart. The officer is going to meet with loss prevention. They're going to get the video and we're still, if we end up at trial, we're still going to need that loss prevention individual who saw the event happen and reported it. They're still going to need to come in and test it. Um, there's always going to be some component between us physical evidence of what happened, wiz then show a violation. However, the benefit we have, we are going to love this advancement grounds and that is not the same

evidency standard as the criminal. The criminal private is so beyond beyond reasoning. We use the highest standard proof without in our administrative process. Um we're using a preponderance standard which is more likely than not. We also aren't in a formal evidentiary setting. So we have access to use evidence that wouldn't necessarily be admissible at a trial. Um but often times we still need to have somebody be willing to come in and testify, somebody willing to take that phone, somebody willing to make that call. So the neighbors are a key player in this process to help ensure that there is I don't know client on but then also at the same time team you have officers that can respond do an initial investigation they can do a knock and talk and see who's in the home going on they can make the you know yeah I ar arrived on scene and there was a loud party whatsoever um and then they can hand that off to the NIT team to do the following and then we also use our business licensing department and then we end up in the ALJ. So it it's a multiaceted team. Then also at the center of all of this is we're going to also rely on the STR operator to be in compliance with our our so we do they will be active. Um, if I've met with many of our SD operators, you know, they all have been opening. They have been reasonable. They've all been really good toward only a handful have been very disgruntled and very angry at me. And in some cases, I can understand their perspectives and so far, but at the same time, I do believe that by and large, people in ORM are good people and want

to do the right thing. And so, I do think STR operators fall into that same group. I do think by and large they will follow the expectations that are set. One of the problems is we just haven't had any clear expectations for how those operations should occur. Um, however, when when an FTR operator does fall short, we would be looking at issuing a period type. If they get three violations in a rolling 12-month period, we would be looking at revoking or suspending that that STR license. Um, again, the proposed fines right now are just proposed. Again, we also understand this is a communal venture that we may be wanting to see an increase in those fines. But again, coming from a more conservative approach, 500 on the first, 750 on the third, and thousand on the third,

that's how much they make in one day. So that's like nothing.

That that's not um anything that deters have two issues with this. The the amount of those fines is too low. This is what I'm hearing from residents, too. and 12 month period should be a 24 if we're truly putting up guard rails and rolling this out slowly. Let's experiment to see how many complaints certain homes get. If they can go for for 24 months without three complaints, you know, most of it's going to be over the summer. I think then that then they've proved themselves as as a sleepy low impact. 24 months is I I think that that would because they have three or more in 12 months in order to get their license.

But by going to 24 doubling that that probationary period. So if I get one next month then I have to be on two years. Does that make sense? rather than just just one year. Okay? You see what I mean? So they can go July more in a 24 month period then they get three they're shut down but that resets after 24 months instead of after 12 months. Is it in there that it would reset the two? So it resets because it's so

yes but that after 12 months of not having a complaint because they've been shut down that's a whole different that's If their license is suspended, they would not be eligible to reapply for an STR for three years. That makes sense. What I'm trying to say, what I'm saying is if they have July, you know, the 4th of July is on Friday and they have the next year the 4th of July on a Wednesday, the next year if it's like Thursday, Friday. Oh, we have three in that year before. Three complaints, we just made it because we just had another train this summer. So now they could get six complaints in two years. There's three.

So council member Millet, what I'm hearing is you would be in favor of increasing the fines and increasing the probationary is any have any thoughts about that? I think I would even increase the length from three years to five years that they couldn't operate. I'd like to go through this. What other items we have parking yet? Yeah. So, let's finish up. I'll fly through. Okay. Um, the next one.

Wait a minute. Are we going to be able to have the council members voice? I don't want silence here as a yes or a no. I think we all need to say where we are on these topics. We're going to put it on the next city council meeting. We need to be on the record with what ordinance you're writing right now. Yeah. Again, that's that's again why I ask if there's anything that you're in disagreement with in these, please voice your opinion. I am going to take silence as as that you are in accordance with this unless you speak up.

Go to 18 months for the period and I can see increasing the fines but not by much. Uh the next one and this is this one is is a little bit more nuance. Can I just clarify that means we're three to four. So what you presented will stand in your ordinance. I will prepare an or I'll get there at the end.

Okay. I'm just trying to determine what the purpose of this meeting is and what the outcome is going to be determined because sometimes when I haven't said anything in a council meeting on something that I on a work meeting on something that I didn't necessarily agree with, it was construed as a as a positive. So I think this is such an important if if this is it this discussion we're having I think we should be on the record as council members have thoughts. This is kind of a lot to process for one meeting. I kind of wonder if we got to do a work session again. I don't want I don't want to drag it out either, but like it's a lot. Okay, fair enough to weigh in on that.

The next area that I want to touch on is occupancy limits for short-term rentals. And by occupancy, I mean how many people can stay in an STR on any given night? As we first rolled out this STR draft, the conversation was the easiest way to enforce this would be by putting a cap at eight unrelated or eight related regardless. Just saying we're going to cap it at eight individ short-term rental. Now, we heard a lot from from the short-term rental community um that that would not be a practicable um regulation, but again, from an enforcement perspective, probably the very easiest of the enforcement. NIT or an officer rolls up to a home, they can do a simple math and they can see that there's more than so from a from a enforcement standpoint, the easiest way to enforce occupancy. Um, occ opt option two is that we go to a single family or a unrelated, which is really what we're doing is we're mirroring what we already allow for long-term rentals and single family dwellings is we allow currently single families or three. So by giving short-term rental option two, we're actually increasing the occupancy over that of the long.

Um, clear on one more thing. Yes, clarification. This these things that we're talking about are things that relate to whole house nonowner occupied rentals in general and owner occupied. So, for example, if somebody rents rooms like if I've I've seen those online where there's like the husband, the wife, and the sister, they're three bed whatever two bedrooms and then they rent they do airbnb on two of their other bedrooms. How would that fit in there?

So what we are the way we address that scenario there is we are indicating that you could have one shortterm rental area dwelling and you identify that as one bedroom or two bedroom or your basement or maybe the apartment that's above the garage. Um whatever you are identifying as your short-term rental, you can have one of those. Like in this case, it was like the house. You just kind of absorbed into the into the family. You use the kitchen with with the family. You do, but they just rent out these bedrooms on short-term. You would we would not allow multiplebedroom rentals as a short-term rental under this ordinance.

Boarding house. Yeah. Because basically what it does, it does turns it into a boarding. Yeah. What we would be doing though is saying you are identifying a basement. That basement has two bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen, its entryway, etc. Right now, it doesn't need to have its own separate entrance. Um, unless we go the ADU route. Okay. That's what I was going to ask cuz I like the mayor's idea of the um

stipulation. But what you would do is then you would look and say, "Okay, the general standard for that owner occupied basement rental or the whole home non-owner occupied." The general standard is a single family or eight unrelated. Then you would go to the second level which is the occupancy based on bedroom standards. So, if you've got two bedrooms and they are one is 100 square ft or more, the other one is between 70 and 99, that sets what your occupancy is. Does that make sense? What we don't want to do is we don't want to have end up with eight unrelated in a two-bedroom basement apartment that doesn't really accommodate eight.

So, both of those apply. Yes, both of those apply. So, you're setting a standard, a general standard, and then you're doing a more specific look at the actual uh viability of of that space. Okay. The third option that we have a question.

No, I was just you're getting to it. I was saying what about the third? The third option is we're aware of, you know, use that might be very different and distinct from all of the other STR uses and based by its its very nature, size, location, etc. So, how do we how do we work some standard uh for that type of a of a parcel? And so we what we what we did is we provided language in that in that packet that would again indicate one single family or eight unrelated unless the property meets specific requirements. And that would be like it's on one and a half acres. The dwelling unit is over 20,000 square ft. It's completely enclosed by fencing. It's gated. It has parking to accommodate um I believe it was one parking space per I want to say thousand square feet of the dwelling um but very specific very rigorous level to allow for an increased capacity for that type of parcel. Our recommendation is the council not that language according to our office um in our opinion is that opens us up to litigation and while it was requested that we review that and consider it. Our recommendation is the council not adopt that. Are there any questions about occupancy at this point?

Jake, why eight unre individuals opposed to watching along with them. Is that aid based off of our new cities ordinances?

The the aid comes from requests from STR operators that there will be occupants that are unrelated. There might be two couples, but that's four that are going in together because they're coming into town or you've got a group of friends. So for for co-workers that are coming in for a basketball game, football game, they're coming for a hunting trip, four to five to six people, and they wouldn't be permitted to use that parcel or that that STR if we left it at three. So we wanted to give some sort of increased occupancy. And so what we did is we looked at our our ordinances across the board and say where could we where we could be uniform and eight would get us where we'd be uniform with other unrelated and other areas of our so that's how we got to eight

but if we were interested in finding places for families because I think that's how this started the prostr was it's it's family you know centered it's cheaper than going to get two or three hotel rooms This isn't achieving that. This is actually opening it up even wider to now allow the hunting trips, which happened at the Aspen House. We're up at 5:00 a.m. because the hunters were up at 5:00 a.m. Um, the sorority sisters of eight, you know, to me, I see this as problematic. I would much rather match our long-term rental stipulations because maybe pull in some unrelated but but still it's family centered.

Any other comments on that? I would actually I would rather forego some of the other sides that have a conversation on this. I would agree with that. Is there any does opening it up to eight does that open us up to litigation on the long-term rental side? I don't believe so. Not that we have to provide the same or if you're providing it there, why can't we do it here? I I don't see that there's any real litigation there.

Okay. And I'm again wait to be that person for the third time in the but we got be in there in five minutes. And I see that we I know we probably haven't covered everything yet. Council question. I we were hoping to get to I think you have some direction. I have some direction. Give you a couple options and if there's other options you want to do council we can do something different. But we do have a work session next Tuesday that's talking about fleet. How long would that fleet and CIP budget uh which about an hour? So would you how would you feel about continuing this work session discussion?

Hour and a half at our at the work session next week. So hour hour and a half or so we don't what we don't have next week is we don't have a regular meeting nor some sort of city event we have to be done by so we could have an extended work session next week or we can do it the 12 I I don't know or do you feel that we're at a point where we don't need to have another work session work session

I think so too okay just So we are being uh respectful of our residents. I feel like we need to have our work sessions where we're giving the direction and then there needs to be some time for the we have a city council meeting where the residents can come and get it.

Yes. We don't need to have a city meeting where if we've made any changes because of that resident feedback, we have one more meeting that we can take it to to make those changes and and pass it because otherwise I've been in that residency where you go and you speak the day of the meeting and it the decisions made. It feels like a waste of your time as a resident to go and speak because truly the council's pretty much already decided what they're going to do. That's what it feels like. So if you I feel like that extra time especially in topic like this it gives our residents some time to reach out for some additional feelings based on what we are actually presenting. I have heard from so many residents well what are you guys going to do? Yeah, I've had experiences on the council where residents have given input as we contemplated the ordinance and we discussed those changes and taking in that citizen input and making those changes then then directing staff to put those into the ordinance and put it on the consent calendar for the next time. So there there are several different ways that we can do it where I think we can respect the citizens and their and their input but also move it along as well. So

I'm so interested in moving this along. I've been doing this for but I really want to I don't want to

but there there are variety of ways we can do it. So council what do you want to do? I would say let's add it on to our work session next week and have further discussion and where we're at. See where we're at there. I concur. Okay. Is that okay? Council. All right. Thank you. I don't know how much more you say. That sounds rude. I don't mean it. How much more is it? How much more have we got? A third of the way. We

only have five more slides. Five more. Okay. We can get that. Okay. So, council, we we ended up here with occupancy limits, STRs. Um, I encourage you in this week to go think about this. Do your dishes like I do dishes when I as I think. But also J20,

but also I know in the packet you've you sent it had had some good information about why why you as the as the legal staff feel it's based as I recall it's based on a federal circuit court decision out of California. That is correct. We have these slides. Um I can share these. I can put those in that same shared folder. I also have them. They'll be posted on here.

Council member Millet and Council Member Mikum. I apologize that we didn't get to you in your uh city council reports and entire council. I apologize we didn't get to the agenda review. Here we are. We already second.

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so okay. Um, council member Mikum, can you hear us? Uh, yes. Loud and clear. Thank you.

All right. We're going to go ahead and get started. Welcome to all of you. Apologize we're starting a couple minutes late. We've just spent the last hour and a half talking about short-term rentals. And it looks like a lot of you want to talk about short-term rentals as well. So, I would encourage you um to after the meeting, uh Pete, when is this going to or Teresa, when is this going to be posted on our website, the the work session? Later tonight. I would start about an hourish in unless you would like to be part or listen to the discussion we had on budget as well. But we did we've just spent a considerable amount of time talking about short-term rentals. And just so you know, we are continuing our work session to next Tuesday, which is a Tuesday that we typically don't meet. We have a work session already scheduled to talk about the uh budget, but we are also going to include and continue our discussion on short-term rentals. And so that's next Tuesday, May 5th. And that meeting, what time does that meeting? The 3 at 3:00. So, we're going to spend the first little while talking about budget and then we're going to continue our discussion on short-term rentals at that point. So, appreciate the discussion we've had as a council. It was a robust discussion and I think that we're we're getting a better understanding of what what direction we're we're wanting to go as a council and looking at I just appreciate you all sharing your your thoughts with that. So with that I'll call the meeting to order and council member Mikum is participating remotely and we have an invocation inspirational thought by Riley Ramsey.

What's that? Oh, current Miss Orm. Yes, welcome sash. I'm sorry. Apologize. Sorry. Dear heavenly father, we're thankful for this day. Please bless us as we meet today that we will be able to have effective and efficient conversation. And please bless those who aren't here tonight that they will be able to be included in the conversation. And we thank thee for all of our many blessings. And we thank thee for the ability to meet here today. And we say these things in name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Thank you. And then we have the Pledge of Allegiance by Haley Johnson, who's a member of the Miss Orum Royalty.

Please repeat the pledge with me. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. All right, we're on item 7.1. Is is Oh, there he Okay, welcome. We have Senator Kevin Stratton here from our our state legislature who's here to do a legislative report. Welcome. Thank you.

Y go ahead and have a seat right there and turn the time over to you.

Thank you, mayor, and the city council and wonderful staff. I'm uh very grateful and honored to be here today and uh certainly honored to represent this wonderful city. It's fun for me uh to have good stories to tell and there's so much good that's taking place here in this city under the direction this wonderful council and uh the leadership here and the wonderful staff. Great story to tell. I I do represent Senate District 24, which is takes in we come down uh the the north borders of Orm to State Street all the way down to Desert Industries where the the river comes and then we follow the river to I-15 and then down to Center Street in Provo and then around past the the cemetery and then we take Wasatch back as well. Also, I represent uh both uh Utah and Wasach County as well. But uh this is my home here and I am so grateful. I was reflecting uh in preparation for this uh I was born here in Orm and the population back in 1962 was about 30,000 and uh there's been remarkable change and uh it's been wonderful. Uh I am fond of peaches and peach trees, but we we're growing other wonderful things uh rather than peaches, especially freezes like as this year. It's been that's been tough. But let me if I may, mayor, uh uh as as you wish. I I have a few things I'll share and then I'd like to just open up to questions if you'd like or would that be okay. Let me just share, if I may, talk a little bit about Utah. And uh it's fun because I think you'll understand as as you look uh look at the 2 54 cities and towns we have in the

state of Utah and Orman's really stands out in a lot of ways. Well, Utah does the same thing as we look at other states. And uh you might be interested to know that the some there's several uh things and key indicators. Utah is ranked number one for increase in housing household income growth. Number one for protecting children's mental well-being. Number one state overall for the three years running. And that's really remarkable. US News and World Report that takes several key indicators and looks across the board uh that that indicate the health and vitality and strength in many different ways. And the US News report has ranked the state of Utah number one for three years running. Number one economic outlook for 19 years running. That that's uh that's remarkable. that that deals with tax policy and and and budget process and and those related to that economic strength. Number one in GDP growth, number one in upward mobility, number two state for teachers. That's remarkable. What we've been able to do in education over the last several years has been, I think, a real complement to our citizens and their their focus and desire to see good education. remarkable number two education across in in in the state, highest volunteer rate, most independent state, lowest electricity rates in the US. Uh so wonderful wonderful and and uh opportunity to recognize that we stand all we all stand on shoulders and principles that help us uh guide and direct uh the decisions we make. And so there's a lot of good news. Now there's of course there's challenges and we need to deal with those and and and we'll talk about that in in a moment

but let me start constitutionally the state legislature is charged first of all one one key point is the fiscal health of the state. So let me talk a little about the budget. Our budget this year was 31.6 billion as a state as a whole. We did do something quite unique uh that we about every five years, five to eight years, we'll go through and we'll look for a 5% cut across the board and what that would look like. That helps identify things that perhaps may be uh uh redundant. Uh we we go through that exercise. I one of my assignments in legislatores chair the social service appropriations committee that has the largest budget in the state. It's 8 to9 billion each year. I'm the senate chair there and have a good house chair. If we have both house and house and senate members, in fact the legislature, one unique thing about Utah across the nation, it's probably why some of the things we uh are able to do is that every legislator does sit on appropriations committee. Senators sit on two. So I sit on transportation and then I chair the natural the the social services in the appropriations area. We found $60 million in our social services, for example, in that budget that we that we could uh redirect and make available. Uh we had uh for six years enroll the the another tax cut for Utah families. There was the from House Bill one in July, federal House Bill One, there was a close to $300 million tax cut that went into place as well, but we were able to do some additional tax cutting. and lower those taxes focused on policies that help our families and citizen citizens.

Let's see. So, that's a little bit of the fiscal health and I and again first first priority for the legislature always is come up with a good balanced budget. We're able to do that and we we compliment you. By the way, one of the great stories I was able to tell to our our our state is look at ORM city and what they're doing. They're building, you know, they they've had this wonderful wonderful city center, but it needed repair and and were able to build this without any debt. What a remarkable thing that is a great story to tell and I compliment all of you for that. And uh one of those things I'm I'm excited to share with my colleagues as we we we look at different issues. Second issue is oversight. Legislature is charged with oversight and and working to make sure that uh the branches are working properly. We have several audits ongoing that take place and and sever we have an oversight committee that that we work with and and and that that's a good point. Then the third is is the policy and setting the policy. I will share that I I also chair there's other three other areas I chair. I chair the uh uh the interim committee for natural resources, agriculture, environmental quality. I also chair our federalism commission that uh that that's a remarkable thing that we're doing. If you ever think that there's contention in politics, you ever think that come to our federalism commission. We have completely opposite points of view across the board yet we work together in a very synergistic way. There's a great comment made uh by one of our my good uh I am of I affiliate with the Republican party. I have wonderful Democrat colleagues and uh we were presenting a legislative summary to the Utah bar and

one of the the you can you imagine being legislature on an attorney. You have two strikes against you before you even get your first pitch, right? I'm an attorney. I'm a politician. Anyway, we were reporting back to our uh uh the Utah State Bar and they asked about that and one of our good colleagues sent he said, you know, the things that the news media plays out just aren't accurate. There is because he was asked for his first year in the legislature how's it been that asked specifically. He says there is a Utah way that we work together in a cooperative way. we listen to each other and we seek to come up with the the best uh best solution and that's the federalism commission is really on that and generally traditionally the those in in the Democratic party haven't really liked the notion of federalism but they're more receptive right now because of the aggressiveness from their perspective of our at the national level from our our our executive branch and so there it it's it's a ripe opportunity for us to work together in some wonderful ways. The final one is the legislative water development commission is is I chair that. So, so those are my assignments. So, I can hopefully ask answer any questions in that space or any others you would have. I would maybe like to highlight just a couple of policies legislatively. There were 1,56 bills initiated. we actually end up passing 541. I often say it's really important that uh to recognize I'm asked, well, what did you do? And I some of the most important things is what we don't do as we look at sound principles, limited government, sound policy, uh federalism, uh those you free trying to protect the

free market, the things that that we value are very important. But maybe a couple of pieces of legislation that that may be of interest. I did work uh we've been working for two years on a a uh water-wise landscaping bill. And I just have to say I we we set up that what what does water-wise landscaping mean? And given our water and the challenges we have and we've been so blessed uh with our ecosystem that we have here in the state, remarkable ecosystem and pioneers that thought and we have even with this very challenging water cycle we're in. We we do still have reservoirs that have water in them and there's so there's there's a lot of positive but I I was pleased to note as I came in I think the city's done a great job in this new landscaping being very wise with your water and the water usage and and uh that we're trying to set an example that would then be worth emulating across the state. So that would be one one piece. Uh uh probably some of the most uh near to my heart piece of legislation through the years is uh couple of years ago we worked on creating a a pattern cadence in September constitutional month where we would teach principles constitutional principles uh that uh highlight them and I'm pleased of what the city's done in that regard as well but invite all the study that the founders that that that's one uh we so we we have those those issues certainly that deal with our policy but then also what makes us who we are and how can we make sure we're not forgetting those wonderful shoulders that we stand on with that mayor I'll be glad to answer try to answer any questions

right thank you I I appreciate your update and thank you thank you for your service and grateful for the relationship that the city has with our state legis legislators. We've we've been in contact this year a lot just and we have a good open communication. I do have a question. Uh what do you see uh as you know the legislative session has ended but the work still continues as we go as we have interim meetings. What are the what are the focuses and the priorities that you're you're seeing as we are going into the interim meetings between the sessions?

Thank you for that question. there. We do go through a process of establishing priorities and study items of what we're going to do. Very similar to what you spent the last 3 hours looking at to try and create the the best policy. There there are issues that are hot hot item issues. Immigration for example, uh voting integrity would be another one. Uh but there's several important management issues that that we're dealing with. Several water issues. For example, one of the things we're going to talk about in our natural resource agro environment committee is what do we do currently with our water situation that we're in right now? Do we need to do an emergency declaration or what what are steps are we taking to deal with that and and protect our environment? What are we doing with the Great Salt Lake and how how can we help and and uh encourage that? There's a lot of reporting that takes place. There's uh you know I I tax policy is one I'm I'm interested I might I don't mean to editorialize but one of the things that you know we hear a lot about affordable housing and we also hear about property tax. You know, one of the things I'll just throw this out. I don't want to have but if we didn't offer the residential exemption to nonoccupied residences, that would do that would do remarkable. We're going to need some help. If that's something that that uh you that's that

saying, Council Member Miller, you you you're speaking her language. That that that would that would help. I think our affordable housing would help a lot in the chances. I know you're wrestling with this. I'm I'm really excited to see what you come up with. I'm glad it's your your decision, not mine right now. We've dealt with a lot already, but be very supportive and I'm but I do appreciate the intentionality and the carefulness. I've talked to some of the council members. I know you're very listening and trying to be very intentional on this. So, just don't mess up and we'll be good. Well, but we're trying our very very best. Oh, you are. Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. Council members, do you have any questions? Do you do you still

Well, I just want to make a comment because that was a question I was going to ask because there was a bill that was run this last legislative session that first started to to talk about that 45% basically tax discount that is given to highdensity apartment owners. Um, so truly affects our ability to tax because it takes away tax from our school district who then our school district has to make up that deficit and then we have to hold off because we don't want to overt tax so we don't put on a tax because our residents are feeling the burdens from providing for schools. You know, you know all about that. We talked about that during the legislative session. So truly appreciate that you made that comment because I have been beating that drum for four years and I truly appreciate that that is a conversation now at the legislature. I think we're going to need some help from our uh local, you know, the league of cities and towns and if that's type I I would say mayor and council members that I do defend your right to have local control and good data leads to good information. For example, uh Chair Dah of the League of Cities and Towns, he and I work very closely on two or three issues. Uh one one great key indicator is uh if we're trying to get 40,000 units, we've already approved 109,000 in just a few few jurisdictions and that that number will increase. But but with that in mind, do we really need we really need to let that be a local control is my perspective. the the the it the key though is we need some potentially some help with infrastructure but that needs to be a local issue that should not be spread throughout the state for example ORM has done what if if you've paid and paid the cost put it in you need to be able to do that but but we need to be wise and try and avoid the growth of government and

and some of the the I guess uh interesting isms I'll say ideologies of the day to to to not, you know, remove ourselves from the roots and the grounding that we have. And that was my second point. I truly appreciate because you do lead out on honoring municipal property, municipal rights, municipal government rights, I guess is the best way to say that. Um, thank you. Thank you for supporting us in that way. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Um, Council Member Mulestein,

so you talked a little bit about water rights or water being a big issue that's going to come up in the interim session. How is the state planning on balancing that growth that you just talked about, this push for growth and the need for water for the Great Salt Lake? I'm very interested in knowing what that plan looks like or the legislaturator's point of view on that. How long can I have? Can I have a few minutes maybe answer that? Was that I don't want

Let let me share something. Let me just share. My grandfather ran for he was on the city council. He ran in 1950 ran for mayor in that time frame and he says we need to create a good water system for Oram. And he was beaten. His opponent says you're going to bankrupt the city. Well, ORM has the most one of the most remarkable water sources of any municipality because what we did for, you know, 75 years ago in buying up the water rights of the agricultural users and then addressing and making that available. We It's rem we or Oram will never run out of or will be the last place in Utah to run out of water. All I I I'll just But the same is true. 80 of of the 100% of rainfall that comes 90% of it goes in the ground and refreshes our groundwater and then evaporates. That 10% I I'm just using rough numbers. 80% of that 10% left is in agriculture right now. And so we need to do all we can to to utilize best practices in there. We will have as as we take care of agriculture and the the nice thing is as we improve the systems in agriculture the water the value of the water that's saved can pay for the improvements and help that. So that there's there's a real good model there. A million acre feet I don't a million acre feet would would raises Great Salt Lake one foot. We feel that we need about 400 additional 400 additional 400,000 additional acre feet. We've already identified to keep Utah lake stabilized. We've already identified 160,000 acre feet. One of the things that I have asked I'm requiring our our water development at the Great Salt Lake and several to come. We will have several reports. We're going to dial this in. That's question exactly. Let's agree what we need and how we're going to get there. For example, if we change the

grading on the west side of the Great Salt Lake so that water runs into the lake instead of out in the desert, that is projected to provide another 60,000 acre feet. If we do away with the non-native plants around Great Salt Lake in Jordan, when we had two years ago when we had that great water year, we had to take water from to Utah Lake through our canal system because the the Jordan River was so choked with non-native growth. We take care of that non-native growth and that adds another 80,000 acre feet. So, we're doing some things. We purchased the magnesium plant there that had tremendous about 100,000 acre feet of water. We are really focusing and as we just lift together and not use fear, I would say not use fear and and some of the narratives we see if we're wise stewards, uh we're going to we will we will weather this and and do it well. So those are how's that? That's I could go on. That was like a little skip along. I could go hit the lots, take up the whole meeting if you'd like.

I It's an issue I could talk about for hours as well, but thank you for representing ORM. Well, we really appreciate you. Well, you have we have a great story. We just need to get the rest state do what ORM does. We'll be in good shape. So, let's not say that. Right. Thank you. Anybody any other council? Okay. Council member Lamson.

Well, we have a kind of a special opportunity here, Kevin. You have your sweetheart. we're here with you this evening and we just want to say thank you to both of you uh for your service and for your example and the way that you've led uh not only you I know that your sweetheart is right there with you all the way and and she sacrifices a lot of things so that you can do what you do so thank you to both of you that is very kind and I and I you know maybe I could ask Ruby Ruby would you stand up she bless her heart we have been blessed at this point in life with 23 grandchildren. Imagine that. And Ruby's one of them. And it's grandpa and grandpa's birthday date with Ruby. So, thank you for that. But we need She's here. She'll say,

"So, Ruby, you need to talk to your grandparents about what constitutes a fun birthday." Okay. I know we're fun, but but there's something more fun for you. Trust me,

we we want to be balanced, old mayor. remember this is a good civic and I'll be in her. Yes. So, we're going to if you'll excuse us, we're going to go continue our date, but I am I'm so grateful. I do want to thank your families and your support group. And uh I I remember I remember Jerry Washburn, Mayor Washburn. I happened to be at his house. I was visiting and uh he came home and he said, "A terrible thing has happened. Jim Reams had left council meeting and had a heart attack just over here and he passed away and uh Jerry's uh he's I call him my brother cuz we have a sweet family relationship but but I recognized the work and effort of the wonderful staff and uh went played basketball with some of them and other things and no others but we've got a wonderful city manager but very compliment to who you are and what you're doing but we do We need to take time to thank those that support us and I know Jeff for you and your sweet wife have been through during your time of service and that that's true with so many others. So, thank you. Thank you very much.

Right. Thank you. And happy birthday, Ruby. Go have some fun. Thank you, Senator. Appreciate you taking the time to come this evening.

Honored to be with you. Thank you. Thank you, Senator. Mayor and Council, if I can also just add from staff's perspective in non-public meetings, Senator Stratton is super great to work with, always responsive, always listens, is always helpful, and is great at promoting the ORM way uh with the along with the Utah way. So, making the ORM way. All right. Thank you. Okay. The next item on our agenda is item 7.2 is a presentation, the Green Grant Award. Blake is Blake Oh, there's Blake. Blake Lenelli from He's the public sector solutions manager for waste management of Utah. Welcome. Uh, council mayor, first and foremost, thank you for having me out. I always say I've got the best job. I get to give out checks and do all that fun stuff. So over the years um ORUM has done a great job around recycle education and we're happy to announce that you're the recipient of the green grant award this year and kudos to you as you know over the years you've been able to maximize the funds given by waste management to continue the recycle education and items like the top 10 in the bin or film plastic pilots. All of those have been pioneered by ORUM. So, greatly appreciative of appreciative of that and would like to give you a check for $5,000.

Oh, I don't think we'll turn that down. Okay. So, how do we do we do I do I go down? Okay. I Okay, council, just know that we have a lot of of these require pictures. So, make sure there's no cilantro in your teeth because we got to take some pictures. Move together.

I'm gonna have you go this way just a little bit for a sec. And then L and Jeff, can you actually switch spots? Is that okay? Hey, we got it.

Thanks, Blake. Thank you, All right. Our next item is 7.3. It's a presentation, Arbor Day proclamation and video. So, we'll invite Bradley Day, our community and sustainability officer, to make do the presentation. Thank you. Thanks much, mayor and council. It has to be said ORM really loves its trees. Just this past weekend, the my hometown days of service happened. And during that, the my hometown communities, both Sharon Park and Geneva Park, we were able in Geneva Heights, we were able to plant some trees in their respective parks. It was a lovely experience. You all just participated at the start of work session with helping plant the new freedom tree. And we have so many other trees just going up on this campus alone. It's fantastic. for Arbor Day and as part of a tree city USA. The city has this presentation and we will share it for you now is famous for being family city USA. But did you know that ORM is also Tree City USA? In fact, I have here in my hand a letter from the National Arbor Day Foundation designating ORM a Tree City USA for the 33rd year in a row. The role of the urban forester is to maintain all of the trees on city property. There's roughly 7,000 that we maintain in parks, parkways, buildings, medians.

But Orin's commitment to planting, caring for, and celebrating trees goes back way farther than that. In fact, in the very first city council meeting of May of 1919, one of the first official acts of the new city was to hire someone to care for the trees. And here we are 107 years later, more committed to trees than ever. Uh our long-term goal is we need to do a thousand trees in 5 years. Trees are important for the urban environment. They lower air temperatures. They sequester carbon. They filter storm water to help reduce how much runoff we get. They also beautify the city and give people a place to interact out in the public setting.

The four standards set forth by the Arbor Day Foundation to qualify as a Tree City USA are maintain a tree board or department. Check. Ours is the natural resources advisory commission. Have a community tree ordinance. Check. You have to spend at least $2 per capita on urban forestry.

Check. Celebrate Arbor Day. I'm signing the official city Arbor Day proclamation right now. So, check and check. We're excited to celebrate Arbor Day this year with a few extra special events. We're planting trees in city parks as part of my hometown days of service. We're planting a new freedom tree right here in the new Freedom Plaza to honor our veterans. We're planting hundreds of trees on the city center campus to make sure the heart of our city is green and clean. Stay tuned for more ways that you can help bring more trees to ORM. Happy Arbor Day, ORM.

Thank you very much. Happy Arbor Day.

All right. So, we've got a I don't have the proclamation here, but you saw me holding a letter in that video. Yeah. So, Arbor Day, we do have the tree initiative coming up from the Natural Resources Advisory Commission that we have and and and like Bradley said, we did plant a new freedom tree out in the out in the Freedom Plaza. And so, you can see that out there if you go out there this this evening. It's brand new, just hanging out. And so, council, any anything you want to say about Arbor Day? Go trees. Okay. All right, thank you. Our next presentation is fire appreciation day. And so I just this title made me think about when I we I grew up camping and when I would with the campfire, I really appreciated fire probably enough to really scare my mom and dad. But anyway, I don't think that's what you mean here by appreciating fire.

That's what we mean. But no, I I I did did appreciate but turn the time over to our fire chief, Mark Sanderson. Thank you, mayor and council. I just want following that presentation, I just want to assure you that we have the sharpest chainsaws and we have the best firefighters in the event that a tree catches on fire that they can follow that tree wherever it needs to be safely. That's how good they are.

That's great. Yeah, this is an opportunity for me and I appreciate any time that I can get in front of you or our citizens to brag about our fire department or show the personal appreciation that I have as well as the support you have for them. It's an opportunity that I'll take every day. And so I actually first of all want to start off with just uh thanking our command staff for joining me tonight and supporting this presentation along with Chief Dave Chase and our C platoon crew. And we're very fortunate. I haven't heard the pages go off and I haven't seen anybody leave in an emergency. So I'm going to try to talk fast so that we can keep them all here. But I appreciate them taking the time out of their busy day that allows us to do this. This actually is falling on the heels of our quarterly awards that we did yesterday, today, and then we'll finish up on Thursday. And it leads right into Fire Appreciation Day, which is May 4th. And I'm going to give you some background that initially we've turned fire appreciation day into what was previously called International Firefighters Day, which is a day of remembrance, recognition, support, and celebration where current and past firefighters are recognized, especially those who have fallen in the line of duty. This day began in 1999 after five Australian firefighters were killed during their attempt to battle a wildfire on the outskirts of Melbourne, Victoria area. After their deaths, JJ Edmonson was a volunteer lieutenant firefighter in Victoria, Australia, rallied to coordinate this day as a national and international day of recognition and remembrance of those firefighters. The day of May 4th was also chosen as it's linked to the feast day of St. Florian which is the patron saint of all firefighters. St. Florian was first known was the first known commander of one firefighter

squad in the Roman Empire. He ultimately lost his life while in the protection of others. St. Florian is widely recognized as a symbol of the fire service. International firefighter day is observed in many ways. It is represented by a red and blue ribbon like I'm wearing now which symbolically links the main elements of firefighters work with red to fire and blue to water. And these colors are also known internationally and recognized as representing emergency services. So with that, mayor, the ORM fire department would like to publicly thank you and the members of the council and Bren and his exec staff and our leadership team for their continued support because without that, the men and women of our fire department wouldn't be able to deliver the amazing firefighter skills, levels of service along along with our critical care paramedic program. Um what I have staff has prepared a ribbon with our logo that I would like to present to each one of you that I hope that you can place on yourselves tonight and then wear over the next week when appropriate just in appreciation for the men and women of our fire department.

Right. Thank you. Well, we appreciate the work you and and your teams do. So I do want we I uh we three attended the uh platoon platoon a was it award yesterday recognition and we b shift b shift and we missed the one today because we were in city council meeting but I do want to congratulate those of you who received service awards and and other uh were there any new fire brand new new firefighters that have met the probation that actually Talon Peterson Amy's son was uh recognized And Amy, even in her condition, not feeling well today, came in and was able to pin Talon's badge on his chest.

Is Talon here tonight? Talon is here. Talon, I'm going to put you on the spot. Can you stand up? Well, at this point, mayor, what I would like to do is I would just ask everybody within this going to make him feel embarrassed. I'd like them all to stand up. Well, I want them all to stand up. And that gives us the opportunity to just show our appreciation to each one of them for the service they provide the community. All right. Thank you. Thank you. I don't think and Talon's actually on a call. Mayor,

okay. I was going to say Talon was spared embarrassment that you can Yes. Would it be appropriate, Mayor, if if the guys that were here that could we have a picture with? Sure. Yes. Come on up. Yeah. and members of the command staff, if you'll join and we'll just have a picture and then we can close. Thank you for your time.

Oh, okay. Probably gonna have to do two rows of you. Yeah.

Guys, come in the front. Okay, let's see.

Yeah. Yes.

All right. Squeeze in. Sorry. One more. It's a big group.

We got it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. would just like to ask that the C platoon be excused just so they can get back to business.

Okay. Thank you. All right. The next item on the agenda is a presentation on National Drinking Water Week, which I think goes well with fire appreciation. It we just have this kind of element thing and fire going on stuff. And so we have Chris Shery. He is going to be presenting um on national drinking water week which is May 3rd through 9th and also Reed Price will be presenting and Quinn Fenton and Quinn Fenton

he's our water manager. Oh, again I'm sorry those of you who are here, you get to see another video with me in it. And so it's it's very short. Well, my part's short.

This one's even better, though. helping me. Come on here. Here to me. Today is a fine collection of orange spring or spring. Thank you. How does forum produce such

mayor? I'm glad you got here. What's the work? starts by having good source water. We're very fortunate that 40% of our water comes from groundwater sources that include spring water. About 15% of our water annually runs right on the side of we're fortunate to have that good seed source that close to our hand on near side where it's dry. We have a good portfolio where we choose more wellwater if there's not as much snow thanks to decision makers and leadership ambulances in the past that have set us up in a good spot. And our team consists of uh nearly 25 people that are committed to providing quality water from backflow control to pulling over 1,400 bacteriological samples in a year. people that just take pride in their job and are willing to work around the clock. We follow guidelines that from federal, state, and local code that help us provide safe quality drinking water. Three years ago, the state and did a survey on our water system and we had a perfect score with no deficiencies. They'll have another survey this year to be in the same position. In order to keep that water safe and clean in the future, we will need to rely on our team and our public works leadership to ensure that we follow master plans and complete capital improvement projects that will put future residents in the same position that we are where they will save glass of water. Thanks for that great information. I hereby proclaim maker of your life as national drinking water.

Here's the H2 or thank you for showing you surprised me by appearing on suddenly appearing on my couch in my office. All right.

So, mayor, we just wanted to say thank you for your support for our uh human resources and our capital resources that are necessary to continue to provide water uh safe water, drinking water sources for us today and well into the future. We have uh great plans and we support and we appreciate your support of those plans and moving forward into the future. Uh there are times in years like these when we have drought conditions where we are especially appreciative of that support and of the um the blessed area that we live in with these amazing water resources. So So thank you.

Thank you. Would you mind taking 30 seconds and telling the those who are here this evening about the new water reuse facility that even gives us more drinking water? Sure. Because we're not using it to water parks and golf courses.

Yeah. The city recently uh completed a project that's been was envisioned over 20 years ago uh when when uh city officials approached the state and sought uh permission to reuse or the wastewater that comes down to the wastewater treatment plant. Um over the years we've made plans uh to do that and about 5 years ago uh started to uh pursue that uh that goal in earnest. uh we uh completed the facility which will which has the capacity of treating uh 15 million gallons per day. Um we don't need that much right now but we built it to be able to provide that at some point in the future. Um so uh by reusing water that leaves water up in our storage facilities in the mountains or underground in our deep wells. So, we're we get to use the water twice. Right now, we're using it to irrigate uh at Sleepy Ridge Golf Course as well as Lakeside Sports Park and and soon uh Springwater Park as well. So, that's a great investment that we've made, one that uh 20, 30, 50 years down the road uh we believe that that the that the that our residents will like. We are grateful for the uh investments that have been made in the past. We'll we'll be grateful for that facility as well.

Right. Thank you, Quinn. Thank you for you and your team for working to have such wonderful drinking water for us. Appreciate it. Council, do you have any Okay, Council Member Gail. Crystal and I were just talking that we didn't even know that National Drinking Water Week was a thing, but we're really glad it is. And I think since I've been on council now going on this is my third year I think um I have been just constantly marveling at the the work that the public works team does that and I just I turn on the faucet and there's water and I just am so grateful. So thank you for what you do. In the words of Bobby Buchchet, we have some high quality H2O.

Can I ask one question just since we're coming into the spring and Chris you addressed this last year in my area. we had bubbles in our water and people were concerned that that was a negative but um my understanding was we addressed that and said no that's kind of what happens when we have water from our springs the early mountain the early runoff is would you just kind of explain that a little bit or um yeah Quinn yeah just so our residents understand

so sometimes we get air in the spring water there's a couple different uh causes uh number one the water is so cold where it runs out of the out of the mountain that that temperature change will will make little oxygen bubbles in the water. And then on certain years in real high flow conditions, sometimes um we've seen as much as 5,000 gallons a minute running out of the side of Tempenogus and and we're putting that right down into the tank and then uh with minimal treatment, just a little bit of chlorine, it goes right to the residents and they're drinking pure spring water. But with that, you might get microbubbles in the water when the flows are so high and the water's so cold. Without your Rocky Mountain High fresh water, right? Okay.

Mayor and council, with your permission, I think that uh ne this time next year, we should have Pierre and Quinn bring some H2O Orum water bottles as gifts for everyone at the council meeting. What What do you say? I I agree. We're just warm water right out of the mountain. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

The next item on our agenda is item 7.6, Utah City Managers Association awards for the traffic tiger team and Jennica Jones uh strategy and innovation man innovations manager. So, we'll turn the uh time over to Carrie Rug, our deputy city manager.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'd like to invite the Tiger Traffic Team members that are here, as well as Jennica to come up. And I want to share a little bit about these awards. They're pretty cool. So, once a year, the Utah City Managers Association meets the same week as the ULCT conference, so right before you guys came down. Um and once a year they choose three uh awards to be given and two of the three awards this year came to the city of ORM out of all of the cities and towns in Utah. So we're very proud of these accomplishments. So the first one goes to the Oram Tiger Traffic Team. This was the brainchild of city manager Bren Bby public works director Chris Shery and transportation engineer John Dhy. This team was created to alleviate traffic issues and patterns in ORM that were frustrating residents. This crossdep departmental team is made up of the following employees. Taylor Forbush, traffic operations manager. John Dornney, transportation engineer. Bill Peterson, streets manager. Tyler Pay, former assistance public works director. Chris Shery, public works director. Tagert Bowen, city engineer, and a representative from the police department, fire department, and city manager department. This team meets bi-weekly to review traffic issues and comes up with solutions. Congratulations to the Tiger Traffic Team. So, their award was uh program excellence in a city. Then Jennica Jones received the emerging leader of the year award. In 2023, Jennica Jones was named as the division manager of the newly created strategy and innovation division for the city of ORM. Prior to this role and espe especially in this role, Jennica has proven herself to be an emerging leader of the highest caliber in local government. Under her leadership, the division has become a

central hub of problem solving and solution focused research and innovation for every department and division for the city. Her division oversees grant writing for the city, securing millions of dollars in just two years. Furthermore, she provides compensation studies for all full-time city employees, data dashboards, and head steering committees. On any given day, Jennica's team is directly contacted by a division or department within the city for assistance of a problem. These problems cover anything from organizational to financial to HR. The greatest testament to Janica's work, work ethic, and acumen is the fact that every member of the executive staff trusts her and comes to her for assistance with perplexing problems they face. She leads her team with humility, kindness, empathy, kindness, kindness, empathy, hard work, and especially by example. ORM city is incredibly fortunate to have Jennica in their ranks. Watching her emerge as a local government leader is not only inevitable, it's a joy. Congratulations to you all. And we'd like to get a picture of you guys with your awards with the council. Okay, perfect. You got it. Congratulations. I do have to say at the Utah League of Cities and Towns Conference, which was held right after this, it began this pretty much the same day or within a day of the of the conference where these

awards were given. I had the mayor of of a community in the Salt Lake Valley text me and say, "We need to talk about your traffic tiger team and we need to so they want to come down and watch you deliberate. not not to put pressure on you, but the mayor and their staff want to come and come and learn because it's something that that's been so successful for us here in ORM that other other communities are interested in it as well. As this is item is the mayor's report and items referred by council, I'm just going to take a moment and just share a couple of other pieces of information not on the agenda for um you here in the public. You know, we one of the priorities we have at the city is economic development and right we have been without an economic development director and we've just hired a new e economic development director and he will be starting on May May the May the 4th. That's a May 4th and we look forward to him coming and and um sharing his expertise. has a lot of experience outside of the state of Utah and but has has roots here in Utah as well. And so we look forward to having his name's Garrett. Look forward to Garrett joining our team. We also as a city a part of Jennica I'm going to put Jennica on the spot here. Uh, one of the things that we do get emails about and we've had people come for public comment about the future of the North Union Canal and the city did receive a grant of over $100,000 for a study to to look at the North Union Canal. And so I want to extend my appreciation to Jennica and her team and others who participated in in getting that grant for us so we can look at what some of those options are.

All right, we'll move on to number eight, our consent items. We have two items on the consent calendar this evening. First one is approval of the meeting minutes for March 10th, 2026, April 14th, 2026, and April 15th, 2026. And that was our very first joint tip school district meeting, which was very I thought was very good and very productive. And item 8.2, an appointment to the recreation advisory commission. I see Chrissa here. Uh, Chrissa Robertson. Is Stephanie here? Oh, there's Stephanie. Okay. Um, would you mind, guys, would you mind standing up for just a moment? We on our consent calendar, we are uh going to vote on appointing these two uh fine community members to our recreation advisory commission. So, I would entertain a motion for consent items.

Mayor, I move that we approve the consent items as outlined. Right. We have a motion. Is there a second? Second. Right. Thank you. A motion in a second. Um we'll go ahead and start with council member Gail. I I I I Quinn, it's your turn. I I I

Right. Thank you. Passes unanimously. Welcome. Appreciate your service for to the recreation committee and to the city. Thank you. All right. Right. The next item on our agenda are public appearances. So, looking at the list, we've got quite an extensive list this evening. And I noticed um we have uh we have two people who would like to talk about uh water drainage. And everybody else would like to or we've got somebody who wants to talk about street safety and and then everybody else would like to speak about short-term rentals and Airbnbs. So, I ask we will give you we'll invite you to take up to three minutes. One of the things I just I I with I politely ask is that um I notice that some of you have spoken numerous times before the city council. Of course, you're always welcome to speak again, but just to remind you that your your comments are already on the public record. And so, if you don't want to take all three minutes, that's fine. But we'll go ahead and I'm gonna start with um Nicole Smith and then Elsie's after Nicole. Hello. So, as you know, I'm not here to talk about Airbnbs. Um my house is one of two houses that sits on a culde-sac that's currently being developed by Patterson Homes into the Belmont West property. And I want to preface by saying we actually really like the development. The houses are beautiful. Um and my husband and I are excited to have a culde-sac for our kids to play in. Um, but we are a bit concerned about the water drainage. Um, the houses have been built up about 3 or 4 feet above the two existing houses on the culde-sac and even with the rain yesterday. We saw some of it drain into it's currently an empty lot, but they're planning on building a house next to it. Um, and so we're worried that with the drainage it'll come onto our property and our property could potentially flood given that we are so far below and like many of you I assume we have a basement that

we're worried about the flood water running into. Um and so we're hoping that the developer can be required to put in some kind of drainage system um so that we do not have the water runoff issues that we foresee happening. All right. Thank you. Um Mr. McIn is that who would you mind following up with with them u with with Miss Smith and I think um Miss Calls probably you will have the same we'll be discussing the same thing. I'll give you their contact information. Good. Welcome.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, my home is on the north side of the west side of the Belmont West um, development and as Nicole said, the homes are built quite a lot higher than our homes are. And um I went out yesterday and looked and from from the uh activity pad that they have beside the garages um there's about a 45 degree angle, excuse me, uh down to my fence and then my fence is uh on the other side of the fence is flat and I have two bedroom windows on that side and I am likewise concerned about the drainage and hope that we'll be able to have something done about that. As Nicole said, they're beautiful homes and we're excited to see who gets to live in them and uh we hope that we'll be able to work something out on that line. Thank you.

All right. Thank you,

Mayor. Can I make a comment about that, too? Sure. So there's a number of subdivisions where that issue, the one on 1600 North, the other Belmont East, I think done by Patterson's, those are more like 8 ft out of the ground, higher than the 6 to 8 ft higher than the homes that they back up against. The Canyon Park development, the two buildings they took down there. I've received um you know, calls from residents, the west side. Uh Crystal, what are those? six feet higher again, eight feet. Um, this is a an issue that I I concur with those storms yes that we had yesterday. Um, there's an obvious problem. So, just to kind of add that to the list of something that we need to address as a council.

Okay. Thank you, Miss McIn. I just took a picture of the sheet and and text it over to you so you have you have their contact information. Thank you. All right, Matteline. Is it Maline Dorton? Is that correct? All right, Matteline, welcome. Thank you. Dear Madame Mayor and honorable members of the Orm City Council, I am Maline Dorton, a student in fifth grade at Orchard Elementary. I am here to bring a safety concern to your attention and offer a solution. I walk along the road 950 north between 600 East and 700 East right in front of Canyon View Junior High to get to school and my parents often drive along that road. Problem. I have noticed that cars cannot park on the north side because of the fire lane. So, they must park their cars on the south side. This is a problem because there is not enough space to park cars on the south side and have cars driving east in that south lane. This is because the south side lane is only 16 ft wide and the north side is 23 1/2 ft wide. Solution. To solve this problem, I am proposing that this street center lines be repainted so that the lanes are equal at 19.75 ft, which should be in the middle. This act will help cars driving on the south side of the street drive safely and not need to drive over the center line. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Mr. Shery, I will text you the copy of of Miss Dorton's information so you can follow up with her on that. So, thank you. All right. Next, we have Jenny. Is it Hannah Bomb? Yes. Oh, I'm glad I I said that right. You did. Oh,

good. Welcome. Oh, I apologize. Um, you did get that right. Thank you. Not many people do. My name's Jenny Hannibal and I am Grandma Jenny. Two very important people in my life. Um this morning I was driving my grandson to his school and he turned to me and he said, "Grandma, did you know that an art teacher in my um uh in the school that I'm going to go to um next year, the junior high, was arrested for sexual abuse of the some of the children?" And I looked at him and I said, "No, I did not know that." And I was kind of upset. So I dropped him off and I went home and pulled in my little grandma house, which is very small house. And I have an RBNB right next door to me. And it is 24 feet and a couple of inches. Their wall is 24 feet and a couple of inches away from my back door. um my husband or Papa Mike to some important people. Um and I we live there and people who come in and they're there for a night or two and then they're gone. We don't know who these people are. We don't know where they come from all over the world. Who knows? Um we make jokes about it. And um after today, I kind of felt like after what my son said, Orm City is Family City, USA. Um, and I was upset and worried about who was coming in because I don't know when

that house went up for sale, we were in the neighborhood real excited and happy to hear about it about you know these people and we thought we will be getting a really cute family which will be a little family to add to our neighborhood. instead we got an autob and um I've unve I've I've learned a lot in just the past little while and let me tell you some of the stuff that I've heard that um outside investors increase and increase local rental costs because Airbnbs and vbo get vacation rental rates increase in home prices home purchase prices by reducing owner occupied house stock. It degrades our neighborhoods sometimes with partying noise and stranger danger including uncontrolled access of for p uncontrolled access of pedophiles, sex offenders, and even possibly felons, drug dealers, and terrorists of various sorts. overflow of our street parking and it reduces public school student body in our new district by occupying housing stock for purposes that do not include full school year occupancy of families with children. There are 527 I believe houses and vacation homes in ORM. Those homes could be full of a family. We are having family housing shortages. Here's a start. And um that I'm sorry, this is very nerve-wracking.

And um uh so of those fi 5 527 homes, I've heard some stories that they um one one lady said that an RBNB person, a man, she found him in her yard talking to her 5-year-old daughter. Not acceptable. And another one of a home up on up that had has a swimming pool. They woke up one night with a bunch of people in their swimming pool. And I don't know if you've already heard about that. I listen listened a little bit to your um to your previous um u meeting and it was it was a little bit it was very interesting. But I would like to share those thoughts with you. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Appreciate you coming this evening. I'll see if I can make it back to my seat. Oh, you're going to be Thank you. Um next we have David Busith. Welcome.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm grateful to be here and grateful for all you do. My name is David Busith and I have been thinking about rentals in residential zones in ORM for the past 8 years. Wondering how we can discourage investor ownership of single family homes. Tamp down on illegal rental usage of owner occupied single family homes. enforce current accessory dwelling unit laws and avoid zone changes that increase population density in our city. All of these things are important to me as a resident of Orurin because of creeping urbanization. It degrades our familyfriendly neighborhoods. In my opinion, from my experience living 25 years in southwest Om and six years in Northeast Om, the decay to my eye has been horrible and accelerating as evidenced by school closures, traffic, and to my eye, yard upkeep. For the past year, maybe two, you have been debating whether and how to allow short-term rentals like Airbnb and BBO in the city, considering that transient lodging is not permitted land use in residential zones, but is increasingly common. It's incomprehensible to me that there would be any tendency toward further urbanization. STRs would add to that pressure. Yes, landlords would like to get high rental incomes, but the high rental incomes would attract even more investors. We need single family homes for young

families, in my opinion, with children to fill our schools, not vacationers. So, I fully oppose STRs and I recommend instead of doing that instead of doing away with the longstanding ordinance against trenchant lodging in residential zones that the city focus on discouragement of investorowned houses and illegal rentals, including short-term rentals, through all legal means possible. Thank you.

Thank you. Right. We next we have Nico Romney. Hello. Thank you so much for hearing us out here. Um I uh have 37 short-term rentals all throughout the state of Utah. We have rentals from Ogden all the way down to St. George. We actually operate in 15 different cities. So, we just appreciate that the city is even willing to have a conversation and and discuss this with us. Just a little bit about us, we are very family centered. Our homes are very much set up encouraging families to stay in our homes and encouraging people who are traveling for work, who are bringing economic development into our cities and and setting up our homes in that way. We are very neighbor conscious in anything that we set up. We encourage setting up quiet experiences for the renters. We lean towards movie theater rooms and pingpong tables in basement versus hot tubs and other outdoor activities so that if there is any noise, the noise is contained within the home. We have um we have decibel meters in our homes so that we can catch it before neighbors catch it if there is an issue. We encourage longer stays. Um as far as we push for at least a 2-day minimum, but most of our stays we're seeing anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks is what we're pushing for. The people staying for those times are people who are between real estate transactions. With such an interesting real estate

market right now, many people are deciding to sell their home and get it completely closed, renting an Airbnb, and then going out shopping for a home so that they don't have those contingencies and so that they can get into the home that they would like. Um, we we push for these renters. We send reminders and as far as I know there's a lot of concern about who is in the home. Uh, one thing that we do to help us just understand who is in the home is we do collect IDs. So, we have photo identification for whoever is staying within the home. So if there were to be a problem that maybe the city gets involved or someone else is getting involved, we know exactly who was in the home and we can work with the city, we can work with the police department and just encourage people to let us know who they are. For the most part, we have families. We have people coming and staying, going to BYU graduations, BYU activities, UVU activities. And so, we just um ask for fair um regulation on it where you let us have it. Um in my experience working with so many different cities, knowing where they are is one of the biggest things that helps a city to enforce the rules. If they know where it is and they have a license and they have the means to revoke those licenses if there are continued issues, then most of those issues are solved. We have Park City, we have St. George, we have everywhere from Ogden to St. George. So, we just appreciate you guys considering it.

Thank you so much. Nico, where do you live? I live in Bluffell. We have cleaners in Oram. We have several team members all over Utah County. How many owns do you own in ORM? Uh, we have one in Oram. Thank you. Uh-huh.

All right. Thank you. I see that your name's on here twice. Looks like different people wrote uh maybe someone signed up for you before before you got here, so I'll just Okay. Just want to make sure. Okay. Um, thank you. Okay. Jordan Coway. Hi, my name is Jordan. I've been here before and spoken, so I'm not going to speak too long, but um I've from ORM, live in ORM, raising my kids in ORM, and um we had an Airbnb in our neighborhood. It's since been shut down. Um, but I'm just still really passionate about the issue. Um, but we're not here tonight to debate whether you enjoy short-term rentals or whether you use them or whether these hosts are fivestar hosts. We are here to decide whether or not short-term rentals are conducive to the building up of our city. And the answer is they're not. As I look back on what you as a city council have stated you represent and your desires for this city, short-term rentals do not align with those remarks. Mr. Lamson, you've mentioned that you miss the quaint small town feel and want your kids and grandkids to be able to live here and appreciate neighbors. Short-term rentals take all those away. The STR home in our neighborhood outbid two families because when it's a business and making several thousand a year, it's no problem. Mayor, you stated that you're not interested in building thousands more apartments or hundreds more apartments because we are already built out. What you're interested in is how can we make our neighborhoods stronger and how we can bring more people into our neighborhoods that are going to be living here. Short-term rentals are not the answer. Jen, you stated, "Hands down, ORM's biggest strength are the people in the city, the citizens of ORM. Short-term rentals do not bring citizens to ORM." I'm not here tonight because I have money on the line. I'm here tonight because I genuinely am concerned about what allowing short-term rentals would

do to our neighborhoods, what they're already doing to our neighborhoods. I'm concerned what they're going to do to our schools. With 522 operating already, that's about an average of 37.7 short-term rentals per elementary school boundary. That is devastating to our schools and the already declining enrollment. I know you all love the city or you wouldn't be up there on that stand. Please stand behind your words and keep ORM's neighborhood strong, full of families safe, and make them a place where our children and grandchildren can live. No amount of profit justifies destroying our neighborhoods and city. Thank you. Hey, next we have Stephanie Hathaway. Welcome.

Hi, my name is Stephanie Hathaway. I grew up in Oram and went to Tempenogus. I always dreamed of staying in Oram and raising my family here. I'm married to a state trooper and I care deeply about our neighborhoods and community. I can't even begin to tell you what a nightmare the last year and a half has been spending all this time fighting these Airbnbs. I live next door to the second goat house, if you will, that the city shut down after about a year of running it as a whole home Airbnb. The main owner, David, who by the way does not live in Orm either, um, got up here a few weeks ago trying to make it sound like he was an ORM resident when he isn't. He also got up here and lied and said, "We've sent in 750 complaints and tried making my husband and me feel very small for being renters in a house. My parents helped us out to buy to raise our family in long-term and tried to compare it to his illegally rented out short-term rental, and that is not the same thing at all. The owners have been nothing but horrible and nasty once they knew we were going to fight them on it. And I have it on video proof that they lied to a police officer that came by and told him they'd been given a variance by the city, which again would be illegal. Uh both lying to a cop, and if they were given the variance by the city, um they've lied to their guests, they've lied to our faces, which has made the guests be even more enemies to everybody on our street. We've dealt with them coming on people's property, arguing with us, flipping us off, calling us names, leaving trash everywhere, parking in front of our house, calling our neighbors work to try to get him in trouble, ringing our doorbell because they throw their balls in our backyard, smelling marijuana smoke, swearing non-stop, and being so loud after hours it wakes my family

upstairs in our bedrooms. They didn't take care of their lawn well despite lying to me that they've they spent $700 a month on it. Their trees are encroaching on our property. Their sprinkler system has flooded into our backyard because again the owners don't live there to monitor everything. Their lawn person mowed into our grass super short and scalped it and they never made it right. Their guests would park school buses outside where people can't see around corners driving by. And I'm not kidding, almost every other day they had a car blocking the sidewalk, which when I texted them, they didn't care at all about. Um, one of their groups even left out open alcohol that was half full outside on a truck bed and children could have easily grabbed it and drank it. Statistically, more homicides and drug deals and prostitution happens at Airbnbs, and we've dealt with absolute hell from them. Unfortunately, if the city hadn't done the right thing and shut the home down after all the proof was sent in, we were definitely planning on teaming up and suing. Um, I might not be super rich, but my parents are who own the house, and they sued their own city of Lynen a few years ago for a similar neighbor house situation. They won the lawsuit and I would hate to see that happen to the great city of Oram um at any time in the future by angry residents because I can guarantee you'll be seeing many of these same complaints I've listed happening again if you allow whole home Airbnbs. Uh please allow for long-term families versus short-term profits. Thank you for listening and appreciate your time and service to the community.

Thank you. Um Val Huarez.

Um thank you, mayor, and uh city council. Um I want to read just a couple of things about the short-term rentals. Um I'm speaking as a resident who cares deeply about this city. I've been here for more than 65 years, so uh I think I'm a long-term resident. Um not long ago, uh the city council adopted a simple standard for major decisions is to make more and more Family City USA, not less. That filter brought clarity then and it can bring clarity now. The econ the um because let's be honest about what's actually on the table. This isn't just regulating short-term rentals. It's whether we open the door for our family neighborhoods to be commercialized. The economics are aren't ambig ambiguous. When short-term rentals expand, especially through platforms like Airbnb, housing supply contracts and prices rise, homes stop being homes. They become income producing assets that attracts investors, drives valuations higher, and pushes young families out of the market. Um, now connect that to a promise that was made. Mayor McCandless told this comm community that she would make housing more affordable for our kids and grandkids. Reducing supply and increasing investor demand um does the opposite. That's that is an opinion. It's the housing market period. Um there's also a second consequence, one that cuts into the heart of who we are. Fewer families in our neighborhoods means fewer kids in our streets, fewer kids in our schools, fewer young families putting down roots here. That's the opposite of Family City USA. That that's a different city than the one we built and the one we want to live in. Um I speak speak plainly about something else. Once a policy like this passes is extremely difficult to walk back. People invest based on your vote. Properties get converted and the moment you try to reverse course, you're told it would be unfair to the people who relied on your

decision. So yes, technically we can re we can revisit this later, but in practice, you know, we set the direction for ORM for years. Um there is organized financial interests pushing hard for this outcome. They have lobbyists, lawyers, and platforms behind them. The residents of ORM do not. Your responsibility is not to those interests, but to the families that live here and raise their kids here and want to stay here. ORM's not ORM is not a resort town. Um we do don't need to turn family neighborhoods into vacation rentals um and inventory. What we need to do is protect the thing that makes the city different from every other place on the Wasatch FL was front. Um we all hope we make a promise to keep us ORM family USA city um that we keep that promise and when the vote comes whether it's tonight or in the weeks ahead that your decision will make that a slogan or a commitment. I have one more comment. Um, this is from actually from personal from my previous neighborhood I lived in, which I still have a lot of friends there and I can Len's been to her house. Crystal's been to her house, Mayor Young had been to her house. Um, almost the whole council has been there and it's a freaking disaster. This is a two, it's a two roads in, one way out. um like a culde-sac but two blocks.

Okay, we have the BYU fan house in that neighborhood. I can tell you right now it's the biggest disaster this side of Texas and that's a heck of a long ways away. The neighborhood impact with short-term rentals is very significant. They take up all the parking on the street. They block driveways. They block garbage pickup. They put their own garbage in other people's garbage and make messes. They also impact the area where children can't ride their bikes on the street because there are too many cars. It's like a culde-sac for crying out loud. There's not a lot of cars that go through there. This is ridiculous. And they bring they bring in bus loads of people to fill that house up. We're talking 60 kids in a house. Why? It's not a hotel. We're making we're making community community personal homes into hotel rentals. Um short-term rentals should not be in neighborhoods. They should be in areas where there are other um there are other long-term whatever rentals that can accommodate those things. Not not our our areas. We have laws for long-term rentals. Um no more than three unrelated people in a home. That's what our Orm City long-term rental is. You can't have So, why do we get 60 people in a home for short-term rentals? Why do they get to have a family memorial service for grandma with 50 60 people there? It's not a It's not a funeral home, crying out loud. And they spend a weekend smoking pigs and doing all kinds of stuff. So, next door. So, short-term rentals need to have rules. We need to not have them in our in our communities, in our homes, in our neighborhoods. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. I just Okay. Um just want to just clarify something that we're not going to be making a decision on short-term rentals this evening. The work session next week is discussion only. We're not going to be making a decision next Tuesday when we continue our discussion from today, but we will hopefully have some more clarity and direction as to to the timeline after after next Tuesday. So, just just to clarify that. All right, Marcelin Gibby.

Hi. Um, my name is Marceline. I'm a Sorry.

No, it's okay. Um, I'm a stay at home mom and my husband is a doctor in the area. We have two boys, age four and six. Um, I'm against legalizing short-term rentals in ORM neighborhoods and would like to share my experience with you as a resident of ORM living next door to an STR. We live in a great neighborhood and chose the neighborhood because it was familyfriendly. Um, two years ago, the family living next to us moved to Oregon and changed the roughly 5,000 square foot home into an STR. At the time, I tried to complain to the city of ORM, but when I called, they told me that STRs were allowed by Orm City, and I felt there was nothing I could do. Um, when we were we were then made to live in what is essentially live by what is essentially a commercial hotel. Since the home has changed over to an STR, we've had multiple concerns. The main issue is that we feel less safe in our home and in our yard. We have two young children and we don't know who is going or coming. This happens just feet from our house. We've had people staying in our rental talk to our children over the fence telling them things that disturbed and confused them. Um our kids see people in the yard next to us and can't understand that they're not safe people and not our neighbors. Uh in addition to safety concerns in relation to our into our children, um we're also disturbed by the following. The property uh erodess our neighborhood and community. um instead of the a neighbor living there, we have unknown and sometimes unfriendly occupants that come and go. Um the owner of the owner of owner of the property does not live there and doesn't know what is happening on their property. At times people stay in there hold events and fill the street with cars. Um while I I appreciate regulations have been proposed by the council that would help with some of these concerns, none of these regulations would address my safety concerns in regard to my children. If people are coming and going next door and talking to my children, um, this will not stop unless the STR is shut down. At the very least, we must make sure that the STRs are owner occupied. Um, I have yet to hear a really good reason for jeopardizing the well-being and safety of families in Orum just to help a handful of STR

owners. The owners of these large STRs are lining their pockets, devaluating devaluating devaluing our neighborhoods, and moving their own families to locations where they aren't affected by the changes in the neighborhood. I think we can do better for the families of warm. Thank you.

Thank you. Scott Johnson, mayor and city council, thank you for this time. Uh, as a 40 plus year citizen of ORM, I rise to fully oppose STRs in the city of Oram largely to maintain a safe and stable community for citizens. Uh, it STRs make it very difficult for law enforcement and local citizens to detect suspicious activity because of the transient nature. You don't know who's there and whether they should be there or not be there. Uh, I personally have experienced or seen party houses, aggressive driving, a school bus dropping off untold numbers of people in our in our neighborhood, and very noisy late night parties from an illegal STR in my community that's only three houses away. And this is not uncommon according to statistics that are easily searchable. Um, when you look at it, party houses, nuisance calls, and noise complaints tend to cluster around STRs. So, it's degrading the community safety and also occupying our law enforcement's time to respond to these nuisance calls. Enforcement is very difficult even in owner occupied settings because of limited resources to respond and the burden of the neighbors to enforce by complaint. These are complaint driven. Um, despite being meticulous, like the gentleman said, they do all these things to make sure that they have the right people in there. You cannot, investors cannot guarantee renters are safe or reasonable and friendly people because there is far less care given by these individuals occupying a space for a

short term compared to somebody who lives in that area full-time. Um, in my opinion, I really see this as normal little guys, normal families against wealthy investors. And so, do we want to cowttow to wealthy investors or do we want to be family city USA and really maintain our families here and invite families who are going to make this their permanent residence in here into Orm City. Um, lastly, enforcement becomes really difficult. What kind of strict penalties will be enforced for those who have an STR that is problematic? I mean, we've we've heard from several people how there's been multiple multiple complaints, but there's no consequences. It's very difficult to get somebody out of there and get the home occupied by somebody else. So, thank you.

Thank you, Debbie Lamb. Good evening. I have um letters being passed out to you from other members, other residents in ORM. Some come from grandparents, teachers, single mothers, all opposing um short-term rentals. so you can take time. And they were unable to make it tonight, so I figured a letter may be better than nothing. So, um, as a dedicated resident of 44 years and a voter in Orum, I'm here to express my strong support for our current prohibition of short-term rentals. While the purpose to monetize neighborhoods is high, the cost of our community safety and long-term viability is far too steep. Our neighbors are meant to be homes. Our neighborhoods are meant to be homes, not unlicensed hotels. Allowing STRs fundamentally alters our city in several critical ways. First, it erodess the long-term home ownership. When homes become STRs, we lose housing stock for people who volunteer for PTAs, look out for neighbors, or invest in ORM's future. Replacing permanent residents with a rotating door to transient turns our streets into ghost towns during the week and party hubs on weekends. Second, it is about generational continuity. A city thrives when children can afford to buy homes near their parents. By maintaining the prohibition, you are protecting the ability for families to remain deeply rooted, ensuring our community remains a place where legacies are built and residents are invested for the next 50 years, not just for the weekend. Third, we cannot ignore public safety and quality of life. Data shows a correlation between STRs and increased noise, parking congestion, and strain on

police resources. Unlike permanent neighbors who respect communal boundaries, short-term guests lack the initiative to follow local norms. Mayor McCandless, you asked, "How can we make neighborhoods stronger and bring in people who are actually going to live here? Keeping STRs out is the answer." Quinn, you said every neighborhood deserves a committee that provides input. I'm on that committee. We asked our neighbors how they felt, and we are telling you we are against them. Jeff, you spoke about pre preserving tight-knit community and the small town feel. You can't have a tight tight-knit community with the house next door is a revolving door of strangers. Chris, you mentioned in a Zoom call with Tammy and I that the financial situation of STR owners is not the council's responsibility. They can sell their homes or rent them out. Legally, Jen, you say that it is a hard this is a hard decision. With all due respect, it's not a hard decision at all. There are over 90,000 residents in ORM. Listen to those residents. We are tired of the housing shortage and the declining enrollment in our schools. It's time the council listens to those of us who voted for you. We don't want short-term rentals. ORM is a community, not a resort. Stand firm. Prioritize the people who call the city home over the interests of investors. Thank you. Thank you.

Right, Tony Merrell. Thanks for your time. Again, I know this is my third time, but I really appreciate the time and effort the city council has put into organizing the options that I saw at your planning meeting today. I think they're great options and I I think they're very workable. Um, I have a few concerns um about the generalization of STRs in the city of Oram. Um, that they make all communities bad and that u most of the citizens in Oram are against them and nobody's pulled my community, my neighborhood. So, I think if you did, then you would have different answers from my neighborhood. And I'm wondering how many people have actually been pulled to ask that question. Would you or would you not like an STR in Orum, if that's allowed? Um, another generalization, um, that I'm hearing over and over again that this is a very profitable thing for people to do. It is not. In my case, we rent out my mother's home so that it's still available for family when they come to town. And my rent for an SDR is very, very low. I have a negative income at the end of the year for taxes because we don't make a profit, but we make enough to help with the expenses of keeping that home in our family so that when family does come to town, they have a place to stay and they don't have to go to a hotel. Um, another thing that I'm I'm wondering about is that if

if you had a family of eight and they didn't have the option of an STR to come to ORM and stay in for a week, what would it cost them to stay in a hotel? It would be prohibitive for a family of eight to be in a hotel seven nights, eat out every meal. Can you imagine how much that would cost? I had a family come last week for BYU graduation. Um, they were there all week. They had a family dinner Saturday night outside, had a barbecue, and I didn't even hear him. And I live right next door. And that's another thing I was wondering about is in your um proposal um you mentioned having the SDRB owner occupied and I'm just wondering what the definition of owner occupied would be because I live right next door. I have a view overlooking the entire property. I can see everything that goes on there. So I know and I can you know if there were a problem which there has never been. And I've never had a complaint from any of my neighbors. Uh, and I've I have had good families stay. So, I'm just saying that there I understand there are some that need to be shut down. I totally agree. They shouldn't be allowed in a family neighborhood. But those of us that do it right, we should have the right to do that and to provide someplace for families to come to ORM to visit their family that lives here. Thanks for your time.

All right. Thank you. All right, Casey. And I know your last name starts with a T, but I I if you True. Oh, okay. I see it now. Thank you. It's a German spelling. We can blame my husband's family. Okay.

My name is Casey TR. Thank you, uh, council members, mayor, and neighbors and friends. Um, I'm here to bring another perspective to, uh, the discussion. I appreciate everything that's been shared. And I think there's a lot of valid concerns on both sides. Um I'm not here to create further division of sides, but maybe create a little bit of additional context on a subcategory that I think has been missing. Um my husband and I are both ORM natives. He was born here, raised here. I was born here. We've been living now together here for uh about 8 years. We've been married for 12. Uh we're world champion ballroom dancers. And so our career is quite niche and um our goal was to become lifelong ORM citizens. This is where we have a lot of family. We have a lot of community and we just love the family focus here and everything that the community offers. In order to be able to purchase a home here, we needed to have something that would allow us to supplement with rental income. Uh when we were looking in the market four years ago, that's what everyone else wanted as well. And so home costs obviously, as we know, are substantially high for people of my age. I'm 33, my husband's 34, and the generational gap of being able to purchase a home is just getting wider and wider. For us, there was no opportunity to have a legal long-term rental home that we could afford. However, we have a property that has a basement suite, and we've been doing Airbnb ourselves in our international travels since 2014. that's allowed us to compete world over, contributed to our affordability to be able to get these national titles, and to now be involved in this community both with both collegiate programs, a number of high school programs and studios throughout the area and indeed the entire Mountain West. Um, this opportunity to have an owner occupied short-term rental space also allows us to host my family. I'm the oldest of seven kids, and when we get together, it's quite a group, as you can imagine. We're all having more kids now. And to be able to gather, we need a

place where we can at least sit us down for dinner. Um, therefore, if I had someone living permanently in my basement, I would have less space to be able to host my family. We do have an Airbnb guest who stays two nights every week. He lives up in Brigham City and shared the following thought with me to share with you. He says, "I live in Logan but work in uh down in Utah County. Instead of moving down, I stay for in an Airbnb for two nights a week. If I had to get an apartment or hotel, I'd be paying much more and I can't afford to relocate my family, much less find another job. Um, it'd be a shame to lose this option. So, I'm just asking that we continue to explore the opportunities of what owner occupied means. Um, and we only host two guests in our home since it is our home and we have young children. I'm very scrupulous about who we invite into that space. and my neighbors have all been not only supportive but actually encouraging in our endeavors. We have plenty of parking and uh have had nothing but positive experiences both as Airbnb renters ourselves internationally and also here locally. One other benefit about people coming into our home is that they bring business to the ORM community. So by being able to come here and stay whether to support BEu or U uh sporting events, coming for family weddings, graduations, etc. they'reu contributing to the economy of our area and it'd be a shame to have obviously the many negative effects coming in from outside uh investors and properties that are dangerous to the locals, but it also likewise be a shame to have local residents buying in good faith with support of the city. When we called to purchase this home, we checked if it was possible and and we want to raise our family here, but we won't be able to if we don't have that opportunity to supplement our income. So, thank you for your time. Thank you.

Right. Teresa Horn.

Hello.

So, I have lived in my home since 1998. I have rented it, you know, two little families and everything. And then probably about oh, 3 years ago, I decided I'd go ahead and try the VBO. Um, I have loved the VBO. Um, I can tell you the families that I had, yes, you interviewed the families, you're excited for them to move in. Um, but you have those arguments. I've had the police called just having a full-time person living there. Um, I haven't had any problems at all with VBO. My home, it is owner occupied. And, you know, that's something that I love. I love chatting with the people that are coming to our city. again they are pay you know going out dining giving that ORUM you know that income too but I also pay the taxes through VBO um I feel you know it's both sides I could always raise my rent and rent it full-time but I feel with VBO I'm losing a little less money but it's less wear and tear on my house and so as you do the work sessions and I listen to the one that you were doing today I think you have some pretty good opt options in there. So, I agree with the party homes. Um, most of my neighbors didn't even know I had VBO. Um, there's homes in our neighborhood, too, that I didn't know they had VBO. Those are the ones that are doing it right. Um, we are also starred by VBO and I can say I have the, you know, 10 stars. I've not had complaints. And so, I feel that's important for you guys to understand, too. like I feel there should be a happy medium where we could all come together and and you know I liked the fines that you guys were discussing in your work meeting. I I think that's a good option as well. So that's my two cents for you.

I appreciate it. Thank you.

And our last person is Chris Hammond. Thank you, mayor and city council. I know you've heard from me before, so I'll be as brief as possible. Uh once again, I'm have a legacy Airbnb. I have cameras, so anything that happens on the property, I'm notified immediately. Uh I wanted to bring a couple of data points to you tonight. Number one, occupancy rates for short-term rentals is about 50%. So 50% of the time a short-term rental has no in there. So we are saving money on utilities and water usage by using a short-term rental. Second, I have an associate, I know it's come up on several things, who is over sober living in Utah County, and um on a whim, I going to talk to you about this. And I asked her if she felt like there would ever be a reason for sober living to sew it city based upon occupancy. And she said no. Number one, it's government money. And number two, increasing the number in a sober living home would be uh not recommended because of the people that are there and the in um uh fact that they need to be supervised. Plus, sober living is either a 60 to 90day stay. And when you ask AI about the comparison, short-term rentals and sober living, there's no comparison. It's apples to oranges. Um, another thing that has been brought up, uh, the 527 number is overexaggerated because homes are listed more than once on, uh, Airbnb. So, it's much less than that. Um, there was a Senate Bill 108 that was

just passed that says, um, that short-term rentals are legal. And so, I would suggest that as you do your information, you look into that. Um, it provide it protects short-term rental platforms like Airbnb as um patchwork of local regulations threatens the ability to take them away. I'm sorry, what was the bill number again?

It's bill number 108. Now, part of the reason why that was sent to me, my doctorate is in special needs. And one of the things that was brought up in that build as someone was reporting it is that short-term rentals provide an opportunity for people with disability um members of their family to have a place where they can have um things that are protected. so their children are protected and they can go forward in um providing the meals and the things that they need versus being in a hotel. Um also um as far as declining from the access to homes, we have over 150 homes that are sitting on the market. We have over 150 rentals that are sitting on the market. So short-term rentals are not detracting from the availability of housing in ORM. Um,

and I thank you for your time and your energy in doing this and providing something that is we can all work together and all live happily forever. Thank you. All right, that concludes our our public our personal appearances. I've been received a request to take a five minute bio break. So we'll convene here in what is it 54 after? So, at 8:00, we'll be back here at 8.

micro. Oh, there it is. Okay, the microphone is now on. We're going to continue with item number 10.1. It's a public hearing for the ORM community development block grant CDBG annual action plan and proposed budget. Taylor, welcome and appreciate your patience as we went through this and thank you guys for your all right mayor just by way of or mayor and council by way of introduction. Taylor Drainy works for the Mountainland Association of Governments for community development block grant funding we are able to partner with an entity to do that and thus we do partner with MAG in order to help manage that funding. It's a great resource to have. And as she does this presentation then for what the upcoming fiscal year's budget will be when it relates to community development block grants. Uh we want I want to just make it clear also that these grants were presented then to the CDBG commission and they reviewed them and approved the amounts as well as along with the contingency.

Are there any commission members here? Uh there are not any commission members. Okay. Could you express our appreciation to them? Absolutely. Oh, okay. And council member Kilpac says you're amazing. He's easily is on that. Um, by way, so we'll have a presentation on what the budget is and then open up time for a public hearing, no vote at this time to meet the 30-day posting period.

All right. So, there is the CDBG Advisory Commission along with council member Kilpac who's in charge of that. So, this is just a short presentation to talk about the funding that we have for next year. Like Bradley said, that's out for public comment right now. We have a public hearing today. Um, but these are the preliminary numbers that we're looking at approving. Um, so to break it down between rollover funding from previous years that was unused and current year, that's there at the top. We have 77,000 of prior year funds that are going to be in addition to that 563,721. and that is our actual allocation from HUD this year. So those numbers are set in stone. Then every year we have 15% of the allocation that we set aside for public service funding. So that's that breakdown in the middle. And then historically and this year as well, ORM has always set aside a percentage of its public service funding to go toward a regional effort with Provo City. Um and two of the members of the CDBG advisory commission uh had a interview process along with some members of a similar commission from Provo and they voted on those regional funds and those are just for nonprofit organizations in the community that serve more than just ORM residents um in order to uh reach reach everyone regionally so they don't have to do multiple applications. But for all of those projects we only reimburse for ORM residents served. So, and here's just an overview of those regional recommendations. So this year the commission decided to fund the refuge uh which provides emergency shelter for victims of domestic violence, Big Brothers Big Sisters which provides youth mentoring services, Tabitha's Way, the Food Pantry, uh Family Haven which provides therapy for abused and neglected children, and then the Fuller Center for Housing, which provides single family rehab. So those

yellow highlighted numbers are the amount that ORM will be covering. And then for the non-public service funds, these are those the Fuller Center counts as non-public service. Um, and then we have administration costs for MAG and for Orm City staff. Um, we have tree removal, which is a new program that we're going to try out this year. Uh, it's using single family rehabilitation funds to get rid of trees that are a threat to health and safety. And, uh, the arborist here, Josh Story, is going to be handling that. We do code enforcement every year that just provides some funding for code enforcement activities through the police department. Critical home repair is also a year-over-year thing that we've done. MAG has been administering that. Um and then a lot of 170,000 this year to replace some flooring in the senior center.

Can I ask you a question about um is the tree removal monies equipment? Is it personnel? What what is that? Um I believe it's just the cost to cover the contractor who's going to So we are hiring a subcontractor. Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Um these are those public service numbers. The ones in gray are the regional ones I already discussed. And then those two in blue at the bottom are year-over-year projects that we've always done. Some for a victim advocates salary. And then uh just a little bit of funding there for homeless services, which is just small resources for homeless residents that's given out through the police. Um and that's pretty much it. Our next steps, uh we'll be back on May 26 to get a final vote on that budget and then the program year starts on July 1. So do you know what did Can you go to that last slide? Yeah.

The pre previous slide. um victim services. Tell um help me bring me up to speed, would you please? Um I know what was our last year's. Are we increasing that? Are we maintaining that? It's been 30,000 for several years. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Yeah, I know. We always want to give more to that one. Uh the public service amount is really really small, so it's it's tough to Yeah. I thought we were going to add an additional um some additional resources there, but um yeah, I'll just follow up with you on that. Thank you. All right. Oh, I'm sorry. Are you are you I don't want to

Yeah, that's everything. Do you have anything? Oh, you got Okay. Thank you, council. Any more questions? All right. This is a public hearing. We're not going to be voting on it this evening. We're going to be voting. It appears we will be voting on May 26. So, this is a public hearing to start the 30-day clock on on public whatever like the comment. Isn't there like a public not comment period or notice period or something? I can't remember what it is. That's correct. And it has begun. This is just a time when we

Oh, okay. Because I was say we're kind of short. Yeah. Okay. So, the public hearing is open. And is there anyone who would like to speak to the CDBG funding recommendations? All right, since there isn't anybody, I'll go ahead and close the public hearing. All right, so we'll go ahead and look forward to seeing you again on May 26. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you.

Okay. Item 10.2 2 is a public hearing resolution declaring certain parcels of real property located in the vicinity of 1020 South 2300 West as surplus and authorizing the execution of an agreement with the state of Utah to convey surplus parcels to the state in exchange for a lease of a portion of the properties to the city for a period of 99 years. And I think that's one of the longest sentences I've read in a long time. All right. That's because an attorney wrote it. Okay.

All right. Welcome.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'm joined today by Sam Bger. He's the deputy director of the Utah Lake Authority. We also hope to have Luke Peterson here who is the executive director, but he was unfortunately wasn't able to join us due to some uh some health issues he's dealing with. So, um, today we're here to present to you, um, kind of a history lesson here in Oram, a little bit of going back in time, and we're going to talk about some properties down around Utah Lake. And so, looking at this map right here, we have four parcels that are identified that three of them are owned by Oram City. The large I'm going to use my little mouse here. this large parcel right here. There's a skinny little parcel right here with a little dog leg. And then there's a parcel that runs through here and runs up into this with a little narrow piece. That narrow piece will remain um in ORM ownership. So, and then this parcel is actually owned by the state of Utah, but if you do a title search, it shows that ORM has an interest in it. There's an ORM deed recorded on that parcel, even though it's in the state's name. So, how did ORM end up owning these properties? Well, back in 2003 when the city was building the golf course, they acquired these properties from uh Charles Garner and up before that point, these properties were essentially quick claimed to Charlie Garner by Charlie Garner. So, he then operated these properties as if he owned them. Um, research has come to show that those properties were likely not owned by him and therefore the city does not own them as well. There is a meander line from 1856 from an 1856 survey that runs approximately along the city boundary through here. City boundary is shown in the pink, but it it runs a little bit through here and you'll see it on a different slide in a moment. Um what's going on is we're working on a project called the Wakara Way Trail and

Sam will give you an update on that in a minute um before we do some Q&A. And in order for that project to happen, all of these properties that are in question down in this area need to be cleaned up and title needs to be cleaned up. And that title needs to be transferred to the state of Utah. And then the federal government, which actually owns the underlying title, which is lakeward of this meander line, will then transfer ownership to the state. They have a verbal agreement to do so. Once that happens, then the state can move forward with the Wakar Way project. And that's a trail that will run north south along the shoreline of the lake somewhere in the high water area or high what would you call high there's a sandbar down there. It's a high kind of a higher elevation where it wouldn't be underwater ever and it would connect to a trail and vineyard and a trail in Provo. So the feds have said we'd love to transfer this but we're not going to do it until it's all cleaned up because we don't want to mess with it. So that's why we're here today is to help clean that up. We're here to ask you as a council to surplus these properties that ORM owns but we don't own and then to execute an agreement with the state of Utah. So the state of Utah in exchange for us transferring ownership of these properties is willing to give us a 99-year lease that allows us to continue to maintain and run our golf course where it's located. Some of it is located on this property. It'll allow us to install future trails, trail connections, open space, um, utilities, and it'll allow us to continue to operate our storm water facilities and sewer facilities that are located in this area, which happens to be where our outfall is for our sewer treatment plant and our spring water sewer lift station. So, this is a drawing or an exhibit showing the 99-year lease of the property that they would allow ORM to

use. And if we zoom in, you'll notice up here on this north end, you can see golf cart paths. You can see this is the collect pond and right here is our lift station. Right here is our sewer outfall. And then down in here in that area, we will eventually have a parking lot for the trail project. So this exhibit here will show you kind of a comparison between the deeds that we are transferring in yellow or orange and then the 99year lease area in blue. Um, of particular note, you'll notice these three properties are in that blue area. a chunk of this bigger property and then these other blue areas almost equal the rest of this in size. Oddly enough, this deed went out into the lake and so a lot of this is underwater. It's not even land we could use. So the reality is the land that's down there now is being used in its current state for what purposes the city's using it and going forward nothing would really change um with a 99-year lease. So I'll turn the time over to Sam. Sam will uh give you a quick update and then we'll open it up for questions.

Thanks Ryan. Um so some of you may be aware, actually I should say at least three of you have served on the Utah Lake Commissioner Util Lake Authority board and so probably well aware um that there's a goal to have a trail go all the way around Utah Lake eventually. Um this has been on the county's uh general plan, I believe it is, for 15 or 20 years now. Um we're actually working with the county to try and update that alignment to current where it's at. There's also several planning projects going on right now. Um, one will soon be kicking off on Provo Bay, um, all the way down to West Mountain. Um, we hope to start another one, I believe, in 2027 for the remaining portions of the southern and western side of the lake. Um, there are currently over a little over 25 miles of existing trail completed as a part of the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. Um, you can actually find out um, where which sections are completed if you go to our website, util.gov, and under recreation, there's a trail plan page. Um most of those sections are all between um or I should say all of them are between Provo and Saratoga Springs, but there are a few gaps in between. Um currently there's a gap between Lynen and Lehi. Um and there's also this gap here from Vineyard down to Provo. And then um once you get to the intersection of Lake View Parkway and I-15 and Provo all the way around the lake clockwise back to Saratoga, there's no trail. So those will be coming hopefully in future years. Um, in regards to this section in particular, um, there's been more concerted efforts over the last, I would say, nine years, if I recollect correctly. Um, I've been at the lake for 10, so most of my time, um, there's been discussion around this section and trying to clear up things and be able to bring a trail through. um including um the Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands, and the Utah Lake Authority hired a mediator to help in some of these discussions back in uh 2024. And that mediation wrapped up in 2025. Um, and as Ryan stated, uh, this is the next step that's been identified is that FFSL, um, state, uh, division of forestry, fire, and state lands is working to

secure, um, clarifying agreements in order to facilitate that handoff from the Bureau of Reclamation so that we can conserve, protect this section of shoreline, and hopefully bring a trail through as well. Um, as Ryan illustrated, um, the area he highlighted on the map is right at the end of University Parkway. It's a very logical location for a trail head. Um he didn't mention but we also plan to connect the trail um up through into the Oram city connection so there anybody within the ORM city trail network can also get down to Utah Lake similarly to how Lynden completed their historic trail section recently. Um we like to try and have the lake shore trail connect into every city network if possible so there's easy access for um uh both recreational and transportational use. um where it stands right now um currently, as I mentioned, is still in resolving some of these uh land ownership discrepancies. Um the county has already secured through MAG, I think it's either 12 or 16 million a few years ago for this section of trail to connect Provo to Vineyard. So, there is already some funding in place. Um Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands also has some remaining appropriation dollars assigned to this. So, I think we're in a good place with continuing to move forward on resolving the land ownership clarity um with funding already to be ready and available to begin planning, engineering, design, and construction of uh this section of trail at the lake.

And ma'am, do you mind uh mentioning on the public record how the trail head that'll be built here will be the best trail head possibly? Should I also mention on the record just how amazing the ORM city staff has been on this project too.

Um yeah, in in all sincerity though, Bren, Ryan, uh Steve, and Chris, and I'm sure there's probably somebody else who's been in the meetings I'm forgetting, have all been wonderful to work with. They've been very informative, very patient, willing to discuss and find amicable solutions and shared objectives, which is something that's really important at Utah Lake. Without partners like Orm City and the other cities, we we can't manage the lake appropriately. It requires that collaborative effort. So, yes, it's going to be my my personal favorite. I'll say that trail head at the lake. Um, it'll be a great spot, I believe, for everybody accessing, especially off of uh University Parkway with a lot of college students in the area. I think it's a great recreation option for them, too. Is that satisfied, Bren? Were you good? Thank you. You're welcome.

Any questions? Council Gail. Um, first of all, thank you for your work on this. I I can't even imagine what an undertaking it is to try and get all these records sorted out. So, thank you for that. Um, and the second, this is kind of a silly question, but what what happens after 99 years? Are we like, you know, our stuff is there, we need to use it. I assume they just let us keep using it. We renew.

That that would be the goal that this trail is so successful and the amenities are so great that no one will ever want to touch it. I mean, the thing we have going for us is a lot of it is wetlands already and it's open space and the hope is the state will want to protect it in perpetuity. If I remember correctly too, FFSL can't extend a perpetual lease on it. Otherwise, they would. 99 is the longest term they can offer, but the understanding is always it's usually with government partners and it's intended to be renewed. I won't be mayor then, but I'll make sure I come to the public personal appearances and and stick up for it. Okay. Yes. Yeah. I'll be aunt. Can I just say one? Oh, go ahead, Quinn.

Okay. Uh, Mayor, I I just had a comment. Um, you know, thi this is a really interesting creative solution that this seems like a win-win for the city uh and for the state and for Utah Lake. And I I'm just really grateful um that uh we were able to be flexible and creative on this. Uh I think it's it's a wonderful solution uh for all of us. Thank you. I I just want to say um just one thing kind maybe um would you talk about the science center? Sure.

Just kind of kind of bring this full circle. Tell them what else we have behind besides path here. Sure. This is bigger and brighter and better than anything.

I appreciate the softball there, Councilman Mlette. Um she's served for quite a while on the board, so I appreciate that. Um Utah Lake has a lot going for it. I hope you've seen some of our our ads last year or they've started up again recently. That's one example of so many things that are going on at Utah Lake, whether it's trail planning and projects or vegetation restoration efforts, carp removal, um community outreach and education, uh special events. Little tip, come to the Utah Lake Festival May 30th. It's got the Provo Farmers Market in partnership with it. We've got paddle board jousting, all kinds of fun stuff. Um the nature center is a part of this as well. So um Utah Lake has needed a nature center for longer than I've worked at Utah Lake. Uh the current plan is a discussion with Lynen City and UVU to host that on some land owned by Lynden City directly behind the Lynen Marina. Um it's we've received 4 million in federal funding for this and we're working with partners to try and secure the remaining amount through the state um and through some other funding sources. Uh but the goal is to have an actual science research and nature center at Utah Lake. So this would be a both a university resource for not just UVU but the other universities to come and use lab space and and classroom space and such for their students to learn. It's a site for us to be able to educate the community. Currently we do field trips for fourth graders twice a year for example at the lake but this would provide an ongoing home where we could expand that program to other grades and uh year round. Um it'll also provide community space. We want to have uh probably not something quite as beautiful and spacious as this room here. I hope to have something maybe half this size of a a multi-purpose space that can be used for events and public meetings and other things about the lake. Um and there will also be educational diaramas and such. Um we wanted to think something similar to what you see at Thanksgiving Point. Um uh being able to educate the public about the flora and fawn at Utah Lake and the work that's being done to manage it and protect it and preserve it for

the future. And I guess to maybe tie these together, once we connect this trail, someone could walk from Orum along the trail up to the nature center because the trail goes right past it. Oh, nice. All right, council. Any other questions? All right, we're going to go ahead and open the public hearing and I'm going to be a little facicious in the public. We're going to declare property as surplus and execute agreement to convey property we do not own that we thought we owned. Right. Okay, that's I'm not that that's not the official, huh? I'm going to open the public hearing for anyone who would like to come speak to the city declaring certain parcels of real property to be surplus and to authorize the execution of an agreement to convey the parcels in exchange for a lease for 99 years. Is there anyone who would like to speak to that? Okay, go ahead and close the public hearing. Bring it back to the council. Council, it looks like there are a couple of different options in on the agenda. If if you would like to move forward on this, there's a motion. And if you would like to not move forward on this, there's a motion that you can refer to. I move that the city council by resolution declare certain parcels of real property located in the vicinity of 1020 South 2300 west as surplus and authorize the execution of an agreement with the state of Utah to convey such properties to the state of Utah in exchange for a lease of a portion of the properties to the city for a period of 99 years.

Right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a second? Second. Okay, we've got several seconds. Council member Lansson. Okay. Any more discussion? Okay. Council member Mulestein, how do you vote? I, Council I. I. Um, Council Member Mikum. I You I I I All right. Motion passes. Thank you. We've just I know I can still Never mind. I'll be quiet. That's the best thing that we could do of what's considering the circumstances. I think it's kind of cool. We can all say we just made a 99-year law. How about that?

Yes, that's right. And I've conveyed property that I haven't owned. Never done that before. No, but it's just a situation. It was the best we could do. All right. Um, item 10.3, public hearing, ordinance, request to amend portions of article 22-6-8 of the ORM city code relating to allowable height of primary buildings in single family residential zones. Welcome Jared of great fortitude to sit through this. Okay.

No, absolutely. It's my pleasure to sit through it. So, the I saw one of those Utah Lake spots at a at a movie last summer and it was far and away the best part of that movie. It's what we talked about all night, but my family's obnoxious, so don't go by me. Uh this is um the the proposed changes for residential allowable height. Um we we talked about some of these in work sessions and then we've we've made these into one um potential change that might that might do some good. Um just a couple of quick things. What does this proposed amendment do? Uh three things basically. It differentiates between flat roofs and pitched roofs as we talked about in order to to allow things differently for those different types of roofs and the effects that they have. uh it lowers the base height that we allow or creates a base height rather than just a straight straight allowed height and then allows additional height with setback back up to what it used to be. So for example, 35 is what we currently allow. Spoiler alert for what we're going to talk about in the next slide, but 35 is what we allow. This would reduce that to 30 and then let you get to 35 as you increase setbacks to kind of offset the effects of those taller walls at property lines. And then it also implements that graduated building height envelope that we can talk about again tonight and make sure we all are on the same page with that. Uh, a couple of things that it doesn't do. It doesn't change the way that we measure height, uh, by our code. Uh, it doesn't take away any of the exceptions that already exist for things like chimneys and koopas, uh, uninhabitable domes and that kind of thing. Uh, it also doesn't remove this very sort of niche, um, height allowance. It's only in the R12 and R20 zones where you meet really great setbacks. It's a very, it's not used, it's an outlier, and we didn't eliminate that by this either. Um, just to start out, let's talk about how we measure height. Height is actually the measurement of height in our zoning code currently is controlled by two definitions. Our definition for height and our definition for grade. So height is just the highest point of the structure above grade. And grade is determined as the average elevation of the finished ground level at the center of all the walls of the building. So you have to do a little a little work to

determine that. But that basically in short it accounts for grades at property. So if the property's on a slope etc. still we establish an average grade for all of that and then we measure up from there. Uh we wouldn't propose changing that. What we are proposing is that we we measure things differently for different types of roof structures. We talked about this in the work sessions as well, but as a reminder, um what we're proposing currently is that uh pitched roof would be anything that's a 312 pitch or greater. And as a reminder, that's this kind of look. uh anything less than 312 so all the way up to 2.912 is going to be flat roof as far as the the uh code is concerned if that's if that's acceptable. Um the the rub of that becomes this this text amendment would apply the way we've written it to all of our single family residential zones. There's an R5, R six, 65, 67 or 75 and and uh I almost said 67, I'm sorry, and R8. That's tricky to avoid. Um we we would apply this to all of these. The difference in these zones is not the height that's allowed. You get 35 feet in all of these, but uh current in our current zoning, but the setbacks are different. And really the the the issues that we have maybe been seeing and are trying to respond to are not so much just height, but height in in relativity to the surrounding area, right? So um you have to look at those things. So what we're proposing is that pitched roofs at minimum setbacks would get 30 ft of height and then as you go one set back one foot of setback greater you get an additional foot of height up to that maximum of 35. So if you're set back um we I have an example we can go through in a minute but that's what we're proposing for flat roofs. Again that's anything less than 312 pitch. You just get 20 ft at the minimum setback. So, if you're just meeting the bare minimum setbacks, you get 20 ft of allowable to height and then one additional foot of height for setback foot up to 24 ft. And uh I we explained to the planning commission when we presented there why 24 ft. That was the most common number I could find in all

the other codes that we looked at doing this. Um there's no nothing magic about it. It just works for builders more often than than not. Um in the R12 and R20 zones. So, hold on just a sec. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So, we're taking our 20 foot from the rear boundary line. Yeah. Okay. That's your setback. That's your standard. And then you're saying you get a one one. You get one to one beyond that initial 20 up to 24. Up to 20. Okay. So if you're 40T for your rear yard, doesn't matter. 24 is the 23 ft. You get 23T height. 22 22. Okay.

Right up to the 24 and then no more beyond that. Maximum still applies. You just get one additional to get to the maximum to create a little extra buffer there. Um, for the R12 and R20 pitch roofs, uh, minimum setbacks 35 ft and then they have that exception that's already written in, so I just labeled that out for you. 20% of the total roof area can be up to 45 ft if you're at least 50 ft from property lines. You still only get the 20%. Uh, those don't come up very often, but when they do, it hasn't ever been a problem that we can find. Uh in flat roofs we applied because we we're defining roofs now. So we did have to make one small change to that. We just added this section for them. 24 ft in height and minimums and then you get that additional foot of setback uh up to 28 ft. And that exception still applies to 20% but only up to 32 ft if you're 50 ft from property lines. Does that make sense? Okay. Um couple of things about the graduated building height. So what this would do is I'm just going to read a little part of it. The height of all principal dwellings in in single family residential zones is subject to limitation by the graduated height envelope created by starting at a point on the property line 8 ft above ground and then sloping a line at a 45°ree angle towards the center of the lot. The entire building must fit under that envelope without with the following exceptions. So regardless of all those other rules we just read through, if you don't if the building you're proposing does not fit under that envelope that's created, it it doesn't matter if you're less than 35 feet. It still has to fit. And we we've got a an illustration we can go through that'll show that. Um the the exceptions are gables and dormers. Uh dormers not allowed above the the maximum height in any case and not above the ridge line of the roof that they're on. And then for gables not above maximum height in any case and not more than 1.75 times higher than the point of intersection with the envelope. All this sounds way more complicated than it really is. So we'll we'll get to that in a second. If it's math that planners can do. This is all based on math that planners are able to do. So, it is pretty basic really when you get into

it. And the gable shouldn't be more than 25% of a facade's length. So, not too flat of a gable, for example. Let me just show you in this in this picture. So, yep, there's this is the part that starts to make sense. So, um to um let's start with the sideyard, for example. So this is the 8 ft that we draw and say if we want to make that envelope, we go to the property line and we go up 8 ft and that's where we start our 45° plane. And so what that means is and you get to go 1.75 times higher if you're a gabled end like this. So I'll make more sense in a second. You can go 1.75 times the height that's allowed uh when you when you measure it um from this 8 ft. So, for example, in an R8 zone, that's our most common single family zone. R8 zones, the smallest setback you can have from a side is 8 ft. So, let's take that as an example. If this is an 8ft sideyard, we measure up 8 ft and we start our 45°ree plane. With 8 ft of distance to cover at 45°, you're going to go up 8, you're going to get 8 ft of rise. So, you're going to intersect that wall at 16 ft in height. and where you intersect that wall at 16 ft in height. Then you can if you're a gabled end, you either have to fit everything under. So maybe you're this maybe this slope works and you're you're changed around. Everything fits under it. Or if you're going to project above it, you can project 1.75 times that 18 ft. That 18 ft that's 20 I wrote it down cuz I knew I wouldn't remember. That's 28 ft in height. So this gable could go up to 28 ft in height measured from the ground. the way we measure height. So, it doesn't get to that 35 ft, but it it also doesn't do one other thing. You could measure that gable up to 32 feet or sorry, 28 feet, but that is and that is under the um 30t allowance, the base allowance at the minimum set back just barely. So, this would be possible. And what that does is

keep you from having a situation where this massive wall is way above you like that. If we go back to this, you can imagine that while this is still tall, it's not the same effect as if this whole square were filled up with that projection. So you either fit under that envelope and are less obtrusive or you protrude but only the way that we allow that 1.75. So it pulls it down a little bit and forces the architecture from the front end. You can if you do the math in your head again and say say we have a 25 ft front yard setback that's required that plane you're going to be all under that because of that distance that's required. You're just not going to be above it. Okay. Does that make sense? So the the the envelope is not as complicated as it seems. Um

so instead of having the the building envelope be like a rectangle, it's this it's this shaded area rather than rather than having it all go up and be right

straight. So it you just fit underneath that. So if you're really close to a another home, for example, let's just use this one. if you're really close to another home. In this case, I don't have a way to do the math, but you can kind of imagine if we come 8 ft up here and this is probably right on its 8ft required sideyard. Um, it would intersect and get to go up if it were a gable then to maybe this area, but right this wouldn't be possible that massing like that. And that's kind of the point of of what we've proposed here is really to deal with the fact that ORM has a lot of um single lots that are going to be developed and four or five lot subdivisions and there's no way to deal with those adjacencies except to to introduce more complicated code. Um we we feel like this would help. We have a couple of examples of um newer homes that have come through where we would have done a better job if we had this kind of code. We feel like it would be uh usable. So, um, with that, uh, this is just a horrible example of what can happen. This is an addition to a home. So, this is to point out that we we would propose this for not just new construction, but for any new construction. So, additions to existing homes, uh, especially where older homes are selling and they're going to want people are going to want to make additions to them. Let's make sure those aren't too obtrusive to the adjacent homeowners. Um, let's see. That's that's all I have really unless you have some questions for me. The full text was attached to your reports. Um it it takes it out of this table form that it's in because it's too complicated to

Right. Council, thank you. Do you have any questions? So yeah. So this does not take into account the grade issue that was spoken about earlier today. That's right. And do you recommend then that is a separate ordinance? that would I I do I would recommend a separate we we need to approach that one carefully and make sure that we don't um cause unended problems with that. I think we're less likely to do that. This is probably not a perfect ordinance but and it can't with what we've got the information we have so far. We can't really address the grade differences other than to to keep measuring from grade and and these will help in some regards uh but not as much as a

a grade differential ordinance. And it probably belongs that probably belongs in the subdivision ordinance instead of in the zoning ordinance where this height is contained. Okay. Thank you. All right. Anyone else have a comment or question? Mayor, can I make a comment? Okay. Go ahead.

Um I I was uh with planning commission when they were considering this and I think you know on the surface it does seem fairly complex. It took me a while to get my mind around it. Um, I think it does um make progress for us and some of our concerns about the effect of of our current building regulations on neighborhoods and so uh the planning commission was universally supportive of it. Uh they felt like it was a good step in the right direction and I agree with that. Right. Thank you for reporting on the planning commission. Anyone else comment? All right, we have a public

if I can just express gratitude and appreciation for Jared Hall and Gary McInn and our our staff for for the tremendous work they've they've put into this. It this took a lot of research and analysis and even some creativity and thinking outside the box, pun intended. I just I appreciate their how as well. you know, they they uh approach this in a in a friendly, approachable, accessible way. So, great. Thank Yes. Thank you.

Well, it is a public hearing, so I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing. Anyone who would like to make a comment on the proposed ordinance to make these changes to the allowable height of primary buildings in single family residential zones. Is there anyone who'd like to speak to that? Oh, I'm seeing heads like, "No, nope. I have nothing to say. Okay, with that, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and bring it back to the council. All right, Council Member Kilpac. Mayor, I move that we approve by ordinance the proposed amendments to article 2-6-8 of Worm City Code relating to allowable height for primary buildings in a single family residential zone. Right. Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a second?

I'll second that. Right. Thank you, Council Member Mallet. Is there any further discussion? Um hearing none, we'll go ahead and council member Kilpac I vote I and Council Member Mikum I I I I I All right, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you all so much. Thank you. All right. Item number 11.1 is a financial summary from February and March of 2026. And you'll find that in your city uh council meeting packet. And our fate now lies with item 12, city manager information items. What you got?

Uh, pay attention to some calendar calendar invites that are that have come to you uh from Lorie Kryman. Uh, so Tuesday is officially the city's 107th birthday. We are going to throw a little party on Wednesday at opening night at the farmers market at the stage in the city center park. and the neighborhood commission is serving 1,070 pieces of cake and there will be live music and um and then the Oram's farmers market which as you know has been just more and more successful every year it's also kicking off that night um and it'll be its sixth year and there will be you know just lots of excitement and and participation all around.

Will you remind me what time the birthday party birthday's part of the event is? is at 6. Pete, do you Yeah. 6 o'clock. 6 o'clock. Um, and then also to celebrate our birthday and our annual kindness week, we are doing a community service project at Nelson's Grove next Saturday at 9:00 a.m. And as per usual, we feel like the best way to celebrate is to ser, you know, provide additional opportunities to serve the the community. So that's all I've got. All right, that is all he has. All right, we have made it to um item number 13. I motion to adjurnn.

I'll make a motion to adjourn. But before I do that, I just want to give a shout out to Council Member Mikum who is awake at 3:45 a.m. where he's at. Quinn, I don't I don't know how you did that, but you're amazing. So, with that, I'd like to make a motion to close the meeting. All right. Have a motion. Do we need to do the second? I can't remember. Second. Have a second. Do we have to vote? I I We're not doing a roll call, Mr. Earl. All right. See you next week