City Traffic Commission - Regular Meeting

1.1. I need to see a live agenda real quick. AJ, do pledge. Alright. With that, we'll move on to the Pledge of Allegiance to be led by Chair Richey.

Alright. Please stand. Alright. Hand over your heart. Ready, begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Great. With that, we'll go ahead and move to the roll call.

We'll begin with roll call. Vice chair Ritchie. Present. Commissioner Barbado. Present. Commissioner Hamilton. Present. Commissioner Georges. Here. Commissioner Chavarria? Here. Commissioner Redding? And Chair Felice?

Here.

We have a quorum present with commissioner Redding absent.

Great. Thank you. With that, we'll move on to item two point o, which is public comments. At this time, members of the public may address the commission on matters not listed on the agenda, which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission, providing that no action may be taken on off agenda items unless authorized by law. Public comments are limited to three minutes. Do we have any speakers tonight? Okay. With that, we will Anyone here to speak on any off agenda items? No? Okay.

Great. With that, we'll close that portion and we'll move on to item 3.1, which is an approval of the minutes of approval of minutes of the Orange City Traffic Commission regular meeting held on 02/12/2025. I get a motion to approve.

Move to approve. Move to approve.

We have a second. With that, I'll go ahead and call for the votes. I think you're bouncing. There we go. Everybody voted. Great. With that, the motion passes unanimously. With that, we'll move on to item 4.1, which is a consideration of the installation of time parking and extension of red curb on the side of South Citrus Street, south of West Chapman Avenue, adjacent to the medical office building at 1010 West Chapman Avenue.

And then really quick before

we begin, Mr. Chair, I'm gonna recuse myself from this item from having a property

pretty close to the item.

Great. Thank you. Alright.

With

that, we'll move on to the staff report. Gabriela?

Good evening, chairman and members of the traffic commission. Item 4.1 is a request for one hour time limited parking on the West Side of South Citrus Street along the commercial frontage of 1010 West Chapman Avenue and its associated parking lot. This request was previously presented at the last city traffic commission, this item before you, it now includes a five foot extension of the existing red curb along the commercial frontage. As you may recall, the city received a request from a resident on the street to present the request for one hour time limited parking to the traffic commission, noting a lack of parking turnover and commercial truck intrusion. The majority of South Citrus Street in the study area is composed of residential properties to the south with commercial properties to the north.

Along the residential frontages, parking is by permit only. On the east side of the street adjacent to the commercial frontage, there is existing one hour time limited parking. On the western frontage of the commercial properties, there is some existing red curve near Chapman Avenue and to the south adjacent to the residential properties. Both commercial properties on either side of Citrus Street have off street parking lots for their customers. This site sketch illustrates the proposed limits of one hour time limited parking and now incorporates a five foot extension of the existing red curve.

Approval of this request will encourage parking turnover for businesses in the vicinity. It should be noted that time limited parking would only be enforced from 7AM to 6PM except for Sundays and holidays. This photo illustrates the proposed five foot extension of the existing red curb as directed by the city traffic commission. The existing red curb currently is in 15 feet in length. With the extension, there will be a total of 20 feet of red curb. Staff recommends the traffic commission consider the request for one hour time limited parking on the West Side of South Street, including the five foot extension of the red curb. This concludes my report, and I am available to answer any questions at this time.

Great. Thank you. I wanna thank staff for taking this back and making the adjustments that we requested. I really appreciate that, and I think it will enhance what's proposed before us today. Are there any other additional questions for staff on this item?

Can I

see the site map one more time please? On the west side, the red is proposed to be a full 20 feet with the addition of five feet. Correct?

Correct.

Okay. That's all I have. Thank you.

Great. Thank you. Are there any other questions for

staff at this moment?

Seeing none, we'll go ahead and open up the public portion for this. Looks like we have two speakers on this item. First up will be Fernando Martinez. And after Fernando is Ahern Akal. Well,

I'm here here on behalf of the shop, but the clinic next door, they couldn't make it. I'm not exactly sure if I can even speak on their behalf, but they did send me a text telling me what to say. The one hour, even two hour parking really wouldn't work for them because other being a clinic, their patients are in there anywhere between two to four hours. So they're like, well, we'd have to let them go out, move their car or something, or park inside. Sometimes their parking is full. Sometimes it's not. So just depends. I park in there to try to keep as much as stuff off the street. They're very nice. Let me do that.

So, we've been trying to work with the neighborhood, trying to do whatever we can, but also having that one hour parking honestly doesn't sometimes even get enforced because the other side's already painted green, which we stopped parking there. But I've seen people park there for hours, never get a ticket. That's neither here nor there. But, you know, if it's gonna be something that has is gonna get put on there to make traffic better and it doesn't really get enforced, then I don't really see the point. So that being said, they don't want it.

He's been fighting it. He doesn't like it. I'll just end up not gonna move somewhere else, so whatever. It is what it is. Plus the guy saying that he's complaining said he's moving, so he's not even here today. So there's that too. That's pretty much it.

Thank you. Thanks. Aaron Akala? And I apologize if I mispronounced. That's fine. Aaron.

First, good.

So, basically, the issue is his shop or not his shop, but the shop. It's one business who's commandeered this public portion of the street. The clinic, nobody ever parks from the clinic there. There's actually parking from these work trucks that they work on from the last meeting you guys had. There's a part there's a truck still parked there from the last meeting.

That's almost two months ago. I have pictures, but I I could submit them. So, basically, safety is an issue. From said business with deliveries or what have you from to said business, right now, because there is no parking there, these deliveries are usually double parked or parked in the red. Turning on to Citrus, whether you're going west or eastbound on Chapman, is almost impossible.

The clinic building that's on the North West Corner there, if you're turning on to Citrus, which I live on Citrus, it's probably a weekly basis where you're almost avoiding an accident because there's a giant work truck blocking the parking lot there. There's no visibility on either end. So besides the safety issue, there's a nuisance issue. Dilapidated work trucks left on a public street for weeks on end only to be moved for a couple minutes during street sweeping. I mean, it was a bunch of homeless campers, I'm sure this issue had been resolved last month and not talked about again.

And as far as the nuisance goes, because there's no parking in this area, there's tow trucks, and it doesn't happen all the time, but it has happened in ten years I've lived there. It's happened on a consistent enough basis where tow trucks will be dropping off work trucks in a permitted area because there's no parking over here at all times of the night. Midnight, two in the morning, eight at night, all times. And, you know, basically, the biggest issue is parking. You've mentioned before that this is a permitted parking area for residents.

There is a number of multiunit families on this street with and the street's old, you know. I live in the newest house, and it was built in 1940. There's little to no garage parking for especially for these multifamily homes. So parking on the street is their only option because these spaces are taken away from auto diesel. They're taking away spaces from a number of small businesses across the street from the Citrus Building, which I don't understand why there's no well, there's no representatives here to talk about that issue, but so the the patrons of the Citrus Building have to park park in the permitted area taking parking away from actual residents and probably thank you.

Thank you. With that, I see no other speakers on this item. We'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission.

Yes.

Just looking at from a first staff's question. Looking at enforcements, how would enforcement work for a one hour program? Is it reactive or is it proactive?

So referencing actual enforcement, it's gonna be both. So our parking enforcement officers typically work, Monday through Friday, 6AM to 4PM, and they're proactively looking for these violations. However, they do respond, when we receive calls for service. The issue that our parking control officers officers do run into for situations specifically on Citrus in the past is they have to physically mark the vehicle and come back one hour later. Later. If that vehicle moves across the street, the hour starts over again.

Very good. Thank you.

I also have a question question for the police department. Along Citrus and Chapman, I have noted that, trucks from the business are parked in the center median. Is there something we can do about stopping that as well?

Yeah. So that's gonna be separate from, you know, this venue tonight, but, parking in the center median of Chapman Avenue is not allowed either. They can call it in, talk to our, our motor officers who go out there and handle that.

Thank you. Appreciate that.

Chair, I'll make a motion to approve the item.

Okay. Go ahead. That motion button on here. Thanks. Can get a second? Here, we have a second. I just wanna add that at the last meeting, the requester and and the business there had an agreement that they were gonna move their trucks, and I did go by there. I go by there pretty frequently because I do have to pick my kids up in that direction, and I will attest that the same vehicles are still there as had been before too. So I'm supportive of this as as I call for the vote for this. Alright.

With that, the motion passes with five ayes and one recused. I'm gonna wait for commissioner Richey to rejoin rejoin us us here. Here. Welcome back. Long walk. Yeah. All right. With that, we'll wait move to item 4.2, which is the installation of a blue curb at 1845 East Grove. Gabrielle?

Okay. Item 4.2, a request for blue curb at 1845 East Grove. The city received a request from a resident on the street to install blue curb parking along East Grove Avenue. The resident has medical conditions that make walking long distances challenging and furnished a state issued disabled person placard. As shown in the existing conditions photo taken by city staff, the demand for curbside parking is very high on Grove Street as well as the surrounding streets.

The 1,800 block of Grove Avenue is located between North Tustin Street and North Highland Street and is primarily resident residential properties to the west with commercial properties adjacent to Tustin Street. The residential properties along Grove are quadplexes, which have open parking stalls or attached shared garages in the rear of each unit. None of the off street parking for these residences appear to accessible parking. And additionally, the proponent explained that vehicles are frequently double parked in the rear of the unit, often restricting her walking path to her residence as she requires the use of a walker for her medical conditions. The site sketch illustrates the proposed installation of 22 feet of blue curve along the frontage of 1845 East Grove Avenue.

Approval of this request will provide a designated and accessible location for individuals with disabilities to embark and disembark from their vehicles. It should be noted that BlueCurb is still public parking, and any person with a disabled placard or plate on their vehicle may use this as curbside parking. If approved, the installation of Blue Curb is for five years, and at the end of five years from installation, the proponent will need to submit a written request to city traffic commission for review and approval for another five year extension. The proponent shall also notify the city in the event that the blue curb is no longer needed. Staff recommends the traffic commission approve the request for blue curve along the frontage of 1845 East Grove Avenue.

This concludes my report. I'm available for questions.

Okay. Is there any questions from staff? I

have a question for this location. Is there a proposal of truncated domes or cutting of the ramp or cutting of this curb to allow for access? No. Nothing like that? I think the ability to add this is great, but if we don't add a ramp, it could be other issues but for another day. So more of a comment. Thank you.

You. With that, there's no other question at we'll go ahead and open the public portion. Marina Morguess. Great. Thank you.

Any public speakers on this one? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission for any further discussion or motion.

In looking at the map there, it looks like this would be the only blue curb that would be on Grove?

Correct.

Okay. Thank you.

We have a motion. Do we have a second? Excellent. Great. With that, I'll go ahead and call for the vote. There's no further discussion. Seeing none, go ahead and call for the vote. Great. With With that, the motion excuse me. The motion passes unanimously.

I can speak today, swear. Alright. With that, we'll move to item 4.3, which is a consideration of installation of a one way stop control at the intersection of North Adele Street and East Lomita Avenue. Camera?

Item 4.3 is for the request to install stop control at North Adele Street and East Lameda Avenue from a resident on Adele Street. As you can see in the aerial photo, Lameda Avenue terminates at Adele Street forming a t Intersection. Based on the resident's inquiry, an assessment of the intersection, including traffic data was including traffic data collection rather, was performed. Currently, the T Intersection is uncontrolled where vehicles on Lumida, which is the terminating road, are required to yield two vehicles on Adele Street per the California vehicle code code. The city has adopted local warrants for guidance on the installation of stop stop control at the intersection at an intersection on local streets such as Adele and Lameda.

A stop control is only considered if it meets any of the criteria within the city's warrants. Key criteria for consideration for a one way stop control are accident history, traffic volume, and intersection alignment. As you can see on the slide, the data collected shows that this intersection exceeded the required traffic volume minimums with a 107 vehicles entering the intersection in the morning peak hour and a 108 vehicles in the evening peak hour. The city's local warrant for one way stop control requires a minimum of a 100 vehicles during each peak hour. Based on the analysis, this intersection meets the traffic volume criteria in the city's local stop warrants.

Approval of this request will reinforce the right of way for vehicles entering the intersection. The site sketch illustrates the proposed layout of the one way stop control for Lameda Avenue. Staff recommends the traffic commission approve the installation of one way stop control on East Lameda at Adele Street. This concludes my report, and I'm available for any questions.

Great. Thank you. Are there any questions? Questions? I I have have a a question. Question. Commissioner.

If you go back to the site map, please. Is this stop sign on this photo and the next photo on the same location because this shows a lot of tree like a lot of tree canopy area. And if this is accurate, then it would be pointless to put this stop sign up. If you go to the next picture, there's no trees on this canopy. They don't show any canopy on this, so we're gonna install the stop sign where it can't be seen.

This is the same location. The aerial may be dated. Taken the photo in this slide right now was taken at this location this week.

So this is more accurate. Okay.

Thank you. Is more. Needed.

Thank you. Sure. Mister Tae, is there any negative with adding the stop sign? Because I see that the volume of the trips are really low. And if there's a cul de sac, the cross of the other street, but is there any negative of putting adding a stop sign?

Mr. Commissioner, no. Part of the reason why the local warrants were developed is so that there's consistency in application throughout the city. Because this location meets the warrants, the drivers have a reasonable expectation that the stop sign is there to reinforce the vehicle code.

Can I ask a follow-up to that? The other two additional warrants that weren't listed, did they meet any criteria based on those?

You're speaking with about the Oh, there's

five five total criterias, but we've only listed three. So the other two Sure.

In in in terms of visibility, typically, when you if you have a visibility problem, it would show up in the accident history. Again, the accident history showed, I believe, zero in five years. And in terms of progressive movement, this is really a a t intersection. Progressive movement doesn't apply. I

have a question about, one that's if that stop sign is approved, you'll have to put in a red curb parking for 20 feet from that and lose one spot.

Not controlled.

So you're referring to the daylighting law?

Yes.

That is enforceable even without the red

curb.

Oh, okay.

Yes. So that should be a red curve?

It it doesn't need to even to be painted red for it to be enforced by police. Okay.

Any other quest questions for staff? Any speakers on this item? Seeing none, anybody here to speak on this item? No? Okay. We'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission for a motion or any further discussion. Commissioner Rickey, motions? Motion carries. Seconds? We'll go ahead and call for the vote. All in favor? Or all in favor? I'll call for the vote. Mixing up my meetings on that. Alright.

With that, the motion passes unanimously. With that, we'll move on to item 4.4, excuse me, which is a consideration of the installation of an all way stop at the intersection of East Almond Avenue and Center Street. Oh, switching staff on us tonight.

Good evening. My name is Maria. Not sure if you guys I work with Andrea. Good evening, chairman and members of the traffic commission. Item 4.4 is a request for an installation at East Almond Avenue and South Center Street. This intersection has St. John's Church St. John Lutheran's Church and School to the Northeast corner and City Hall to the Northwest corner and residential homes on the Southeast and South Southwest corners. Currently, the intersection is controlled by a two way stop with traffic on Center Street stopping for traffic on Almond Avenue. The intersection's close proximity to St.

John Lutheran School increases the pedestrian and vehicle volume during peak hours. The city has adopted a warrant to guide the installation of stop controls. When one or more criteria outlined in the city of Orange satisfied, then an always stop may be considered. Key factors include accident history, traffic volume, and intersection alignment. As you can see on the slide, the warrant requires two fifty vehicles entering the intersection during peak hours with a traffic ratio of three:one or less.

During the AM peak hours, there was a total of four thirty five vehicles entering the intersection with a traffic ratio of 2.42, which means that for every 2.42 cars that are being stopped on Almond, only one car will be stopped on South Center. During the PM peak hours, there was four thirty one vehicles entering the intersection with a traffic ratio of 1.99 to one. Based on the analysis, the intersection meets the traffic volume criteria in the city's local stop warrant. The site sketch shown illustrates the layout of the proposed all way stop control at Almond And Center Street. Staff recommends that the traffic commission approve the installation of an all way stop control at the intersection of Almond Avenue and Center Street.

This concludes my report, and I am available for any questions.

Great. Thank you. Any questions for staff? Seeing none, I'll open up the public portion. Anyone here to speak on that item? Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission for decision or motion. I'll go ahead and motion to approve. Do you have a second? We have a second. Any further discussion?

Seeing none, I'll go ahead and call for the vote. With that, the motion passes unanimously. Alright. We'll move on to item 4.5, which is consideration of installation of a red curve along the frontage of 2190 North Canal Street.

Item 4.5 is for the press to install red curve along the frontage of 219 North Canal Street, more specifically at the north and south side of the driveway for Explorer Prime Academy, which is located 250 240 feet north of the intersection of East Meats and North North Canal Street. City staff has received multiple requests from parents who drop off their kids at Explorer Prime Academy asking for the installation of Red Curve. Canal Street between Meats Avenue and Cumberland Road features a noticeable curb that influences the alignment of the street and visibility coming out of the driveway when there are cars parked along the street. There is a 100 and there is a 185 feet of curbside parking available between the north available north of the subject driveway and 90 feet curbside parking available to the south. City staff recommends installing 70 feet of red curb north of the driveway and 90 feet of red curb south of the driveway.

The installation of red curb would remove three parking spaces to the north and four parking spaces to the south of the driveway. Due to the close proximity of the intersection and the curvature of the road, exiting the school driveway may be challenging without enhancing visibility. Therefore, staff recommends that the traffic commission approve the installation of 70 feet of of red curb north of the driveway and 90 feet of red curb south of the driveway at Explorer Prime Academy located at 219 North Canal Street. This concludes my report and I'm available if you have questions.

Thank you, Maria. Any questions for staff? Seeing none, I'll go ahead and open the public portion. Got a little ahead of yourself there. We have Erica Davis.

Hello. I agree with with their recommendation. I don't have kids at this school, but I do travel along that intersection frequently, and I totally see the safety issue, and that was something that I wanted to talk about as well. I also wanted to bring up it's a little bit of a traffic flow issue. So when you're driving along Canal, if you can imagine you're like on High Avenue, driving along Canal heading toward Meats, when you're trying to turn right, so you get down to the intersection with the light, you're trying to turn right.

You can't turn right on red there. There's a sign. People don't. I don't see people breaking that law. But you can't get into the you can't get into the right hand turn lane because of those cars parked on the curb. And so what happens is cars have to wait a couple of cycles before they can get into that. You kinda like have to scoot around those parked cars on the curb, and then you're able to go. So it does impede traffic flow. I noticed it in the morning time. I think that makes sense, like 07:45 to 8AM.

So I I like what I saw for where they wanna put it. I know a lot of people like to park for the super sports. That's a really active wonderful asset for the community, and I wouldn't want that to be hindered, but it doesn't look like it will. It looks like there's still plenty of parking for the people who come and play soccer and things. So thank you for considering it. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Any other speakers on this item? Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission for a motion or further discussion. Alright, we have a motion to interfer. Any further discussion?

Seeing none, go ahead call for the vote. With that, the motion passes unanimously. Down to the last two items while all of you folks are still here. All right. We'll move on to item 4.6, which is considerate consideration of request for permit parking on both sides of East Avenida Palmyra from West City limits to North Laura Street and on both sides of North Sandpiper Circle. Gabrielle? Back.

Item 4.6 is a request for the implementation of permit parking on both sides of East Avenida Palmar from West City limits to North Thora Street and both sides of Sandpiper Circle. The city received two separate requests from neighboring streets adjacent to the recently established permit parking area a a on Riles Lane and Renee Street. One request was from a resident on Thora Street asking for permit parking to be considered on Thora Street, Avenida Palmar, and Renee Street as shown in the area map highlighted in yellow. A resident on Sandpiper Circle requested their cul de sac be considered as well. Both proponents described an increase in demand for on street parking along the subject streets since the implementation of permit parking area AA back in 2023.

Staff followed the city's neighborhood permit parking program criteria to initiate the study of the requested streets. After evaluating the four streets highlighted in the yellow area map, staff determined that the 300 block of North Renee Street would not be evaluated for permit parking for several reasons. One reason was due to the west side of the street serving as curbside parking for residents in unincorporated County Of Orange, which this residence would be ineligible for permits. Additionally, the only site taking access from Renee is a residential property to the north that also operates as a wedding venue under a conditional use permit. This is a commercial operation.

The remaining three streets were evaluated for parking demand. The neighborhood permit parking program requires that 75% of curbside parking must be utilized at time of observation. Using the dates and times provided by the proponents, staff conducted parking occupancy studies. Staff studies. The first table on top shows the results of these studies for each street.

As you can see, both Avenida Palmar and Sandpiper met the 75% threshold, while Thora was only at 57% parking occupancy. Staff then circulated petitions to the residents on Avenida, Palmar, and Sandpiper. The neighborhood permit parking program again requires 75% votes in favor for permit parking to be considered. The second table on the bottom shows the results of the petition process with both streets achieving the required support. This aerial illustrates the proposed permit parking limits on Avenida Palmar and Sandpiper Circle based on the occupancy study and petition results.

As a reminder, the neighborhood permit parking program does allow property owners on any adjacent street experiencing spillover to request permit parking to request the permit parking process be initiated within one year without having to pay the application fee. However, parking occupancy, petition thresholds, and any other requirements in effect would still apply. Staff recommends the city traffic commission approve the request for permit parking on Avenida Palmore from West City limits for north from North Thor Street and Sandpiper Circle and forward this on to city council for final action. This concludes my report, and I am available to answer any questions at this time.

Great. Thank you. Any questions for staff at the moment? Seeing none, we'll open it up to the public portion. I see there's quite a few of you to speak on this item, so bear with me. I'll do my best to pronounce your names correctly. Probably won't. I apologize in advance. Arjelena is up and then Peter Petro, you'll be on deck. You can make your way, Peter, to the seat in the front and make it a little bit quicker for us.

Live on 5104 Avenida Palmar and it's right across the street from that wedding venue place. And I have submitted pictures to Maria and they're always working on cars, doing mechanic and across the street, I do not know her address but it's across that corner on Renee And Avenida Palmer. Her name is Jen and they always sit there and they lay on her lawn. They treat it like if it was a park. They even have a little trash can there.

Maria stated that no one sees it but we're literally across the street from them. I submitted photos and I brought photos. I couldn't print them but I have a lot of photos on my my phone even leaving right now. They were right there working on their cars and sitting on on her lawn. So to me, I think you should consider doing at least the city part of it, not so much a county so they could have that but even when they have venues there like when they have like weddings, they never use that because it's always parked with residents cards so it doesn't really affect that. So, to me that's just I would like you guys to incorporate that side of Renee as well. Thank you.

Thank you.

Alright. Up next we have Peter, and then after Peter we have Santosh Somers. We'll be up next. If you can if I call your name after the the next person, if you can move up to the front, it'll speed the process up a little bit. I'm sure most of you wanna get home, grab some dinner.

Alright. Good evening, everyone. Not to speak on behalf of everybody else because I'm speaking on my own experience. Once and you did mention once the permit parking was granted on Rials back in 2023, all those cars moved over to Avenida Palmar. And everyone's in their legal right to park there. Everyone there's not too much illegal activity going on. However, within the past year, I've seen things that I don't wanna see, having two young children in my house. I did witness a gentleman doing something to himself. Of course, I wasn't gonna get close enough to see it, but I'm 49 years old. I know what things look like.

Went to grab my phone to take a couple photos, and he bugged out. His But car used to be parked in front of my house daily, and now it's parked somewhere else, which I know exactly parks a few blocks away. There is also a safety issue when the street does become too too many cars on there because of our curb and very rarely do people adhere to the 25 mile an hour speed limit there, and they do come rushing around that curb. There is a dip. And I know one of the people here tonight, think they've lost a few mailboxes over the years, due to that as well.

So once the street becomes lined with cars on either side, that becomes a little bit problematic as well. People do spend countless hours in their cars on the phone. Of course, they're not idling their engines. So, again, they are well within their legal right to be there. However, from me to you outside my children's bedroom window, people are just lounge out in their cars. Not the most comfortable feeling for me as a parent of a almost 10 year old in a couple days and a seven year old. Not not the best thing for me, to be honest. So, again, everyone's within their legal rights. Everyone's doing their thing. However, little uncomfortable for a dad to to be seen at all times.

So families lived in the in our residence for about thirty years. This and, again, this is a new issue that we've been having, and it's just it's very uncomfortable situation for, I'd say, about 80 to 90% of the time. That's all I have. Thank you. Great.

Thank you. After Santosh, we have Christine Shepherd. Mr. Santosh.

Hi. Thank you, counsel. I am a longtime resident of Sandpiper, North Sandpiper, and along with my mom who has been there actually, for over thirty years we've been there. About seven years ago when my father passed away, my family decided to move back in and reestablish that house there. We're what we you would call sort of between a rock and a hard place.

We want the the permits there because now all of the parking has there's been less opportunity, but we have seven young kids, which I'm grateful for, including five young daughters, and we're anticipating that we're gonna need more than just what we were told, five parking permits. And so I know it's maybe a unique situation, but I just we just need to know how we're gonna be able to handle that as we get the parking permits, which we would like to have there, but also for the three adults, my wife and I, my mom who's in the ADU there, and then my seven kids as well. So I don't know if this is the appropriate place to figure that out, but it seems like you a lot of wisdom in the room. Maybe you can help me figure it out.

Thank you. You can talk to staff after the meeting though. Thank you. After Christine, we have Yvonne Rangel.

Hi. Good evening. I'm Christine Shepherd. I live on Thor Street and I fell in love with the street and the house about fifteen years ago, moved in with my husband. I have two two young kids, five and almost three, and my mother lives with us as well.

Over the last fifteen years, the streets have gotten way more congested in that area, not as not what I have liked to see and I was in favor of the parking permit that happened on Riles a year ago. Unfortunately, Thora and Avenida Palmer have gotten way more congested. Unfortunately, Thora did not pass the parking permit study but I am hoping that, we do not see, an increase in congestion after parking permits hopefully go in in effect at Avenida. If it does, I'm hoping we have a year to piggyback on to request another permit study. But again, I have young kids, they like to play outside.

As we were leaving, they were outside with a babysitter. I worry about their safety. People drive extremely fast. People that don't live on the street, as you've heard, are coming and parking their work trucks, parking their vehicles, sitting in their cars with a five year old daughter who's most likely gonna go to Rancho Santiago Middle School. I'm a teacher. I see those kids walking to and from every day. I worry about their safety. I worry about, them driving on the streets. There's been accidents at that little corner of Thora And Avenida. So, again, I moved here from Tustin.

I love Orange. I wanna stay here. I love my neighbors. I want them to stay here, but if we're bringing in if people are coming in and parking in our neighborhood that don't live in our neighborhood, I I don't want that and it's gonna push people like me, people like my neighbors out, and I don't want that. So I really hope you consider this.

I hope that you can consider, like we heard earlier, the making the, Renee section a red zone or permit parking zone, possibly putting in street bumpers or, whatever it's called that make it make you go slower because you have people flying down that street and we're a, we're an area that sees a lot of traffic because of the middle school and such. So, I appreciate your time, Larry. Thank you for considering the, permit study again in Maria. I really appreciate you guys and all your hard work. Again, unfortunately, Thora isn't a part of this.

I hope that eventually we won't need to be but if so, we're thought of. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Afternoon, City Council. My name is Jovan Rangold. I'm actually with the wedding venue on Renee and I just wanted to take a quick moment to say thank you to Christine and Angelia. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you and all the neighbors in the area who've done all the hard work, to get this, on on the table here tonight. I also didn't think that'd be so many people would want to draw awareness to my little area of Renee, my little section of Renee Street, but it is somewhat of a cul de sac and recently purchased the property at the 2023 when I first came in there because it is something of a cul de sac.

It was completely overrun with people parking in the red zones about whatever the designation of either side of the street of Renee is striped red and there were vehicles that were parked there, some that were just kinda left there abandoned, and I've worked pretty tirelessly. I'm sure there's probably records of this at the police department calling incessantly to, get some support there with vehicles that are left overnight, parking specifically in the red areas, but also a lot of illegal activity as some of the neighbors have mentioned. As a matter of fact, as I mentioned, when I left today to come here there was people working on their vehicles, drinking, which they do repeatedly especially on the weekends and as the other neighbors mentioned, I am a wedding venue and this is one of the issues of contention here because it is commercial. Apparently, there's something in the code that would leave some space available. I do not use that space at all.

It's actually I actually lease from Orange Unified School District for my guests and for my clients that's actually inside and self contained within the property. So, I'm happy to hear I'm here to work with the neighborhood. We're trying not to get any of the commercial activity out in the neighborhood. We work really closely with OUSD to make that possible, but do have another major concern more so than the commercial aspect of this. I live on the property with a two year old, my wife, and my mother-in-law and we are landlocked up there.

If you guys take a look at the property, it's a very very unique property and we're completely landlocked. We just experienced the power outages. I've been through a fire in the past. Having those fire lanes on the entrance of my property is very essential to having me have peace of mind. It's a pretty long stretch.

It's like over a thousand, maybe 1,200 feet to get to my property. There's also an abandoned palm tree farm in the lots adjacent to me. The lots adjacent to me that are owned by OUSD are not upkept, so that's another issue with fire. So that's really what keeps me up at night is knowing that there may be an issue in the event of fire for fire department or for other city personnel to get in there for safety, not just for myself, not just for my clients, but for the neighborhood in general. So I would like to petition to be piggyback on there to get either permitted parking on either side or to just finish off the red striping on either side. I'd be more than happy with that. Thank you again. Great.

Thank you. With that, is there anybody else that wants to speak on this item? Nope. Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission for either a motion or discussion. Well, everyone's going to be silent, so I guess I'll motion.

Looks like we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? No. I just want to point out, I do recall when we added the portion in 2003, correct?

The policy update?

No. Other area that was up there. 2023. 03/20 right? Some of those areas that didn't get included in this portion, I think we're going to see you back here. We know that anytime we kind of improve or implement these type programs, the impact area does move. So those of you that do live in those areas that weren't included in the study, we do have up to a year, right, to come back. I think it's no fee either, too, correct?

That's correct.

To be able to do that, so those that you probably didn't meet the criteria then are currently right now, but you may meet it pretty quickly. So if your area wasn't included, I think there might be an opportunity for you coming up soon to come back. With that, I'll go ahead and call for the vote. All right, with that, the motion passes unanimously.

Alright.

We will move on to item 4.7, which is a consideration request for permit parking on both sides of North Mallard Street from East Locust Avenue to East Jackson Avenue. Gabriella.

The city received a request from a resident on Mallard Street asking for permit parking to be considered on Mallard Street, Morgan Street, Locust Avenue, Monroe Avenue, and Jackson Avenue as shown in the area map in yellow. This neighborhood is adjacent to permit parking area l which was established back in 2007. The proponent explained an increase in demand for on street parking has grown in recent years and believes it originates from outside neighborhood. Staff followed the city's neighborhood permit parking program criteria to initiate the study of the requested streets. And after evaluating the five streets highlighted in yellow on the map, staff determined all were eligible for permit parking assessment.

Staff proceeded to conduct parking demand studies for these streets. The neighborhood permit parking program requires that 75% of the curbside parking must be utilized at time of observation. Using the dates and times provided by the proponent, staff conducted parking occupancy studies. The first table on top shows the results of these studies. As you can see, only Mallard Street met the 75% threshold.

Staff then circulated petitions to residents on North Mallard Street. The neighborhood permit parking program again required 75 votes in favor for permit parking to be considered. The second table at the bottom shows the results of the petition process with Mallard achieving the required support. This aerial illustrates the proposed per permit parking limits on North Mallard Street based on the occupancy study and petition results. As a reminder, neighborhood permit parking program does allow property owners on any adjacent streets experiencing spillover to request permit parking process be initiated within one year without having to pay the application fee.

However, parking occupancy, petition thresholds and any other requirements in effect would still apply. Staff recommends the traffic commission approve the request for permit parking on both sides of North Mallard Street and forward this on to city council for final action. This concludes my report, and I am available to answer any questions at this time.

Great. Thank you. Any questions for staff? Go ahead.

Gabrielle, I know you said it, but if you could repeat it again. So when do you do actually the actual count? What time what time of the day, or how is that established?

So we ask that any resident requesting permit parking to provide a written request and to identify the times and dates, days of the week that has the highest demand. For this particular area, they identified Thursday Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Tuesday in the evening hours. So, generally, it was done around 09:30, 10PM.

And that those were for the side streets of Monroe and Locust?

All the streets Yeah. In the yellow were assessed using those dates and in the evening hours as identified.

Okay. Very good. Thank you. Yes.

Any other questions? Seeing none, I will open up the public portion. Looks like the room's full, but only one comment. Joel Kasara? You're the only one brave enough. We don't bite. I promise.

Well, hello and thank you for allowing me the opportunity to address our neighborhood issues. My name is Joel Casara and my family and I have lived at our current property on East Monroe for fourteen years oh, I'm sorry, since 2014. For years, vehicles from across Collins have occasionally parked in our neighborhood, and we have put up with it because they are within their legal right. However, over the last two years, especially this year, it has become a significant issue. The front half of our neighborhood has been permitted for years and just recently Locust, which connects to Villa Park, has had red curbs is marked and in just that last three weeks, the problem has intensified in our area.

This will only worsen once the Mallard parking situation is hopefully approved. Therefore, we are taking a proactive approach and requesting to include the remainder of the entire neighborhood in this permit process covering Morgan, Locust, including the section leading into Villa Park, Monroe, and Jackson. Now I I could be misquoting here but from what I saw according to section ten thirty o 20, the city council may at its sole discretion establish areas within which individual streets may request to implement permit parking on a block by block basis as long as we can demonstrate 55% support. Now aside from the homes that already support permitting Mallard, I've gathered signatures from seven in excess of 76% of the remaining of our neighborhood residents who wish for their homes to be included in this proposal. We understand that we have twelve months to request this if the issue does persist but it's clear that it will given that it's already happening.

We ask to expedite this process if possible instead of waiting for the situation to deteriorate further. Section ten thirty ten states that a permit parking area is required to enhance or protect the quality of life in the area of the proposed parking permit area which is threatened by noise, traffic hazards, environmental pollution, or devaluation of real property resulting from non resident vehicle parking. We meet all of these criteria and more. Beyond the parking issues, we face consistent litter, high speed traffic dangers, vehicles abandoned for long periods of time, vandalism, theft, homeless homelessness in cars, public urination, drug and alcohol paraphernalia left on our property and in our curbs, loud car parties with music blaring late into the night, multiple domestic violence incidents, and just the other day, my son found two condoms while mowing the lawn and this was not the first time.

Thank you. Great. Anyone else wanting to speak?

Not on the agenda, but can I speak?

If you're gonna speak, if you can grab a card and get it. I think we have a couple other cards on there. John Scaggs? Hello.

My name is John Skaggs. I live on the corner of Mallard And Locust, and my neighbor Louise over here, she also lives on the other side, and we're adjacent to Villa Park. Villa Park last week painted all their curbs, all their locusts curbs, and so all the traffic now we have enough for maybe 10 parking places on our streets Like, she has four, I have four, and then we have our Mallard Street. So we probably get probably the majority of all the parkers. And now they don't have Villa Park anymore, so now they're dumping into, other people's neighbors.

And anyway, I just wanted to see if you can clarify. Are you going to, include our entire property or just the one space in front on Mallard Street. And, the second thing is on my because I was here like fifteen years ago or or whenever that was, and we never thought that the people from the apartments would walk that far. So anyway, a bunch of us on Locust and on our corners didn't, you know, buy into permit parking. And now we regret it because, you know, we have all all their parking now and they, you know, they just moved everything on and they're probably going to move on some, you know, until all the streets are, you know, done.

Jackson, Monroe, the rest of Locust. But that's it.

Great. So thank you.

Thank you. Up next, we have, Daniel Patterson.

Yeah. So my name is Daniel. For quick context, what they're talking about, the alley with Villa Park. That specifically has been at a 100% occupancy pretty much every night for the past three years. So when they're saying that the like Villa Park half of that, the curb has been painted red. Mind you, there's no like no parking signs or anything. We're not even sure if that's actually, like, a thing Villa Park themselves have done or someone just did. But half of that alley is now gone, so that's why they're concerned that this happened in the last, I think, three weeks when they painted it. So this was a very recent change. So that traffic, we're assuming is gonna move over. And then for me personally,

sorry.

About a year ago, a no parking permit sign was placed on my parkway. I'm on Corner Of Locust, but I'm on the Corner Of Locust And Morgan, not Locust And Mallard. We called the city because we didn't make an application for that sign to be there for any of the permit parking. The answer was that the sign was supposed to be placed on the corner next to the alley. It was placed wrongly.

It stayed for the entire year. They recently removed it, which is good, but it was not replaced on that corner. So this entire year and potentially during part of the evaluation period, the Locust Street was kind of like fake marked as permit parking. Wasn't actually. So when it comes to the evaluation of how many cars were actually parked there, what was the impact there, that probably had some effect at least on Locust, if not for some of the surrounding area, adding confusion to anybody who was going there.

Whether it was permit parking or not, people were probably not parking there as a result of thinking that it was accurate and pretty much only the owners knew that it was not enforced. So just extra context to the whole thing kind of being a little bit of a mess, and the statistics may not be accurately reflecting that. Great.

Thank you. Michael Christie?

Alright. Good evening. I'm just gonna kinda confirm what's already been shared, but I think in the context, maybe to Joel's point, why this could be a good exception is because if you look at the map, you'll you'll notice that there is no other way out of that neighborhood. So when he talks about the progressive nature of it, I think it's important. I've lived in the neighborhood for about fifteen years.

I've actually owned two homes on Jackson because I love it so much. So we are going to be the next wave if you will, but the progressiveness I think is important to bring up the fact that those first two streets as we've shown on the map, right, they obviously reached out because there were problems with people and it's important to recognize these are people coming from outside of the of the neighborhood. Right? So which is fine. Doesn't matter where they're coming from, but and that can be confirmed because obviously we see people each morning that are leaving, and not going into their homes but leaving from the neighborhood.

But with that, with those two streets being permitted, then it obviously pushed forward to where Joel, now standing before you is because his property has been impacted. So once again, I think it's important to look at the context of that neighborhood. There is no other way for people to escape or to go into another area. So inevitably, right, it's gonna come our direction. So it just would make sense from an efficiency perspective to be able to do all the streets at the same time.

So I just wanted to, acknowledge that and, as a neighbor in the community, bring that to your attention. To Joel's point, was 75 plus percent of the entire neighborhood for those streets has approved. Obviously, property value will be impacted and it is illegal activity that we're referring to. So, Joel, once again just repeating, but there's security, there's safety risks, there is theft that's happened on a regular occasion, loitering, littering, drug paraphernalia. We know the vehicles are not homeowners or their guests because they're walking outside the neighborhood.

And maybe on a larger scale, because obviously it has nothing to do with this in particular, but maybe it's an opportunity for the city to evaluate the other neighborhoods in regards to the number of tenants in regards to the building because obviously it's a challenge but anyways I just wanted to reemphasize what's been shared but I think the context of that neighborhood is a very unique spot because you can't get in or out of there. So obviously all that all that traffic is flowing to the additional streets that right now are not or they're under the 55% or 5050%, but that will logically go up. That's it. Thanks so much.

Thank you. Last call. Anyone else? Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the public portion and bring it back to the commission.

Chair, I have a question. So the the item before us is just for Mallett Street, and the other side streets didn't pass kind of the threshold.

Correct.

This item goes to the city council. Can the residents petition the council to add those side streets?

Correct. The council could add those additional streets because we're recommending body. So we're gonna if we do approve this tonight, it'll go to city council. And at that council meeting, they could potentially petition the council, and the council could add additional at that time.

Very good.

And I would also add same comment as in the other one. There is the additional year at the no cost that also could be evaluated because it sounds like maybe some things have changed since our last inspection there, I'm sure, was conducted a couple months ago. Any other questions or nothing for me? Anyone want make a motion? All right.

We have a first and a second. So I'll go ahead and call for the vote. With that, the motion passes unanimously. So sounds like you guys are happy. It's a start for you. But there's there there are those two mechanisms for you guys to be able to add those additional areas on there if it meets the criteria. So alright. Great. With that, I will move on to they're gonna close. Oh. Well, you're such a big fan. Would you like to introduce him? Are you done? Yes, am. Okay, perfect. Why don't you do it?

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce our newest traffic commissioner, Doug Redding.

Welcome aboard. A little late, but.

Thanks for the introduction. Apologies for being late, but life is pretty wonderful and interesting at times. Thanks for

having me. You've all been there. Thank you. Welcome aboard. With that, I will go ahead and call for an adjournment of this meeting. The next regular meeting will be held on 06/11/2025 at 05:30PM in the Council Chamber. Thanks everyone.