Township Board - Regular Meeting

The red light.

Okay, we call the meeting on the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. Okay, roll call. Everyone's here except Jennifer. Public comment. Yeah.

First, I want to thank the treasurer's office for providing the extensive tax records to the tax review. I did notice this morning that the township cemetery grass really needs to be mowed.

I don't know.

They're supposed to do it on a He's on a normal schedule. I don't know what that is there. Brad Bird? No, not Brad Bird. Don Siebert is the one. Oh, okay. Okay, thank you. I'll take care of that. Pat?

Well, I like to express my disappointment that you can't accept the agenda or the packet that you folks received for this meeting. It's not on the agenda. It says agenda. You click on it. And you can't bring up anything. You can't download anything. And so I am really disappointed that also the minutes, the approved minutes, aren't on the website. I mean, we can't go through all the recordings and listen to what the whole township does. It would be easier just to read the minutes. So at this point, I was going to zoom in. But I didn't because I just wanted to voice my disappointment that the website is not what it should be.

So, Senator, would you keep them?

Is that the blank page?

It's a link to nowhere.

There's nothing.

Senator, do I want to open it? I was looking at something else.

Okay. Well, obviously there's something going on there. Okay. Thank you. Take a look. Anybody else?

Okay. So second term, sorry, but I mean, it'd be nice because that wasn't working. That's what I was most interested in getting but nice to have that we're moving. Well new business approval about the language for the industry fire district.

So it's in there, so we'll go over and we can get you a patent.

It's in there, isn't it?

How did you get in? I mean, just because.

Because I got emailed the agenda packet at 1 o'clock.

Yeah. We put an access up. I couldn't access it at all.

But you still can access the patent?

No, this is agenda. I tried PFD. I tried downloads. I tried everything.

We'll get that fixed. Okay.

Okay. I'll just leave it at that. Okay. Anybody else? Okay. So when Libby comes, I'll tell her she missed it. Approval of agenda. I'd like to just, well, I'm sorry.

Can I add something to the agenda?

Oh. I would like under minutes to amend minutes previously adopted. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

I'd like to switch Lenny Vaughn from unfinished business up to after clerk's report.

No, we didn't have to sit here all that whole time either. Okay.

How about the approval of the minutes of the regular Township Board meeting of June 17th?

I would make a motion to approve the lineups of the board meeting on June 17th.

Can I back you up? I don't think we approved each other, David.

Oh, I guess we didn't.

We switched it while we added something, so. Okay. Approve agenda. Do we make a motion? As amended. As amended? That's fine.

I'll make that motion.

Second? Second. Any discussion? None. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Okay. Now, approval of the minutes of the regular township board meeting. And then you want to go to your...

Mine's a separate thing. The thing I asked for.

Yes, you did. I would make a motion to approve the June 17, 2026 regular township board meeting. Okay. Is there a second? Yes, I'll second it. Any discussion? No. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Okay.

So that would be my motion. Okay.

Is there a second? I'll second the motion. Okay. Any discussion?

Yeah, I think I would say I went back and listened to the tape to make sure that what I said is accurate for the amendment. Okay.

I mean, that's exactly, no, no, that's fine. That's what it's done. Discussion? None. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Libby, so we aren't done with public comment, but I said I would wait for you. So go ahead.

Thank you. I'm beginning to think there's something about me. Yeah. I don't want to take it personally, but it's beginning to be suspicious. Anyway. Thank you for taking one of my six recommendations and placing a link from the township website to the proposed Manistee Regional Fire Initiative website. I'm disappointed that the information regarding the days of recycling bins are empty was not available on the tax and is not available on the taxpayer website. The dates were posted on Facebook on July 3rd, nearly three weeks ago. Since the website went live over four years ago, the postings have been arbitrary with no policies, proceedings, or public input. The website information is based on what, when, and which board member asked for a posting. What the public deserves to know or might want to know is not taken into consideration on a timely, consistent, transparent manner. Such inconsistency create a public trust deficiency. Let me add three more examples for the website public trust deficiency issues. The public notice for the July 2nd McMillan's EVA hearing was posted in the Manistee News Advocate on June 12th. On June 17th, it was posted on the website's event calendar. and on the website door. When I clicked on event details on the website calendar, there was no information regarding what, who, or why the variance hearing was being held and when the ZBA packet would be available for public scrutiny. Both the advocate and the township hall door posting included all this vital information. On the website, the information regarding the public hearing can be found on the 43rd page of the 46 pages of the McMillan packet. It is under the ZBA Agenda and Meetings tab. As postings are not date or time stamped, I do not know when the public notice was placed on the website. I was assured by a board member its posting complied with the Open Meetings Act. During the June meeting, the board went into closed session regarding the continued blight of the DeVos property. The DeVos consent judgment posted on the website is dated August 2022. The board went back to court and received a new consent judgment in March of 2024. I'm assuming the consensus of the board referred to in the draft June meeting minutes relates to the March 2024 consent judgment. Taxpayers received their summer property tax bills earlier this month. From the Treasures page on the website, there is a link to pay property taxes online. However, on the same page, there is the adopted township budget for fiscal year 2025. No fiscal year 2027 is posted. As a board member pointed out to me at the June meeting, the board had, and I quote, HEARD AND RECEIVED MY MESSAGE REGARDING THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE. IT APPEARS TO ME THE BOARD HAS SELECTIVE HEARING AS ONLY THE MANISTEE REGIONAL FIRE INITIATIVE RECOMMENDATION WAS ACTED UPON. MY EXAMPLES ARE A SMALL SAMPLING OF THE NEED FOR A MORE TRANSPARENT, CONSISTENT, ACCURATE, TIMELY AND USER FRIENDLY WEBSITE. A CAUSE I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR OVER FOUR YEARS. The O'Neill Township Board has the authority and the responsibility to determine the policies, procedures, and postings for and on the taxpayer-supported website. As a citizen, I have the right and, in my view, the responsibility to advocate for a township website that supports and communicates with the public the actions, decisions and priorities at the Township Board. It's good to have access to the Parks and Recreation June 25th meeting on the Manistee Public Television. As the May 20th and June 17th board meeting recordings are not available on public television, I'm hoping July's meeting will be posted. Not being able to attend for these either in person or on Zoom. And without approved and draft minutes being posted on the website, it is very difficult to be an informed citizen. Democracy requires an informed citizenry. Please include a summation of my comments in the details of the July minutes. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Sorry, we couldn't figure out why the Zoom thing won't work. So am I. Well, it's on. I don't know why you can't dial in. We can hear you.

Well, I am technically challenged, but I logged in and it said that the host would be notified I was there and then I got the message that the host had.

But just so you know, you came across on Zoom and my phone at the same time. That's right. Thank you for

Letting me, and I apologize.

Thank you very much. There's a bit down there for doing parks and run. Yeah. Can you hear me?

I'm there. Can you hear me? Yeah, go ahead.

Okay.

Um, a couple of action items, uh, the North point fitness park stations, uh, the installer installation was done the 8th of July. There were a couple of things that did not go as they should have been, and they will be fixed tomorrow. So we should be all set tomorrow. What I'd like to get approval from the board is to move forward with an inquiry to MCCF to do the groundwork to make it ADA accessible. And I spoke with Laura this morning and told her that we would be doing one of the minis, the 5,000, and then use what's left in the budget for the fitness stations to do that, as long as I was able to get approval from the board to move forward. I asked her whether it would have any impact on any of the existing items that they're considering, specifically DNR, and she said, no, it will not. So unless there's disagreement, I'm going to go forward with number one, getting some estimates, and two, moving forward with an inquiry. Okay, you want approval?

Or objection, either way. No, I think that's fine. Cindy? I'm fine. Matt? Yes.

Second item, recall that we had this hemlock woody algae problem that we're trying to assess at Glenn. I included in the packet a letter from invasive species and Their note essentially says that based on the photos, the drone photos that we sent to GVSU, it does appear that we may have a small infestation somewhere in the canopy. Their suggestion is to come out and do an assessment and that would happen. in the fall winter time and then they would come back to us and give us some estimates to work with them or somebody else should we choose to do that next year. So again, unless there's disagreement, I'm gonna work with them and say, yeah, let's go ahead and get that estimate as soon as you're able to do that. Okay. Okay.

Sounds like it's a pretty good program. They cover a lot of the costs.

Yeah. Yeah. So I can't see any reason why we wouldn't. So I'll go forward with that. Those are the only things for board consideration. Just a few items of note. Michelle and Jean are heavily involved with the events right now. 30 day challenge is active and running. As far as our membership, we lost conservation district representation when Tyler got his other assignment back in February. It's our understanding the conservation district has replaced him. So Brian Allen is going to approach them to see whether we could get them again to join us in an advisory role. It was really helpful to have them involved. The Langland Park ABA walkway was completed on July 2nd. including making Avenue E access to the pier almost ADA and should be ADA in the very near future with some work that I'll do on it. Both projects were covered within the budget and the MCCF grant, and we had $1,100 left over. There's no refund due to MCCF because they're recognizing the costs that we incurred with Stradorski prepping that Avenue E. So, Pretty much wrapped up with that other than a little bit of work that I need to do in the front section of that so that it's not a two or three inch bump. Gazebo painting at Langland's done. The light in the webcam, I'm stuck on that. We put it in an application to consumers. I haven't heard back and I just had that chance to follow up. Uh, North point, um, we may look at the cost of ADA, um, parking lot striping. We learned last year that the striping we have isn't really ADA compliant. And if we could fit that into the cost of the MCCF grant, we'll do that. Otherwise we'll come back to it sometime in the future. Uh, Glenn, I mentioned, uh, we. HWA thing. Also, we've got some dogs must be on lease signage going there and at North Point if Gene has not already installed that. We continue to work on the road and inventory. Five-year plan. We're really close on the five-year plan, meaning all of our deliverables. I submitted the inventory yesterday and waiting to hear back from Jody on that. We're going to be adding three more projects. Matt can elaborate if he wants, but one of them is the updated trail plan. Second is at the community dock, Outlet Avenue, perhaps the Sunrise House or something like that, and some DNR launch upgrades. All of our five-year plan projects need to be on the website by August 15th to meet the You know, Katie's request in terms of being on time. So, Matt, we need to put some meat on the bones as far as those three new ones are using the format that we have on the proposed projects portion of our website. And then as far as unresolved items, I'm just going to mention again that storage remains one, but it now is a pretty significant one. The ADA walkway out at Langland is a lot. I mean, it's a lot. And getting that in and getting that out each year is going to be costly and storing it is something I think we need to figure out. We can continue to put it behind the township, but if there's other things that... or other options. Just want everybody to know that we need to think about that because that's going to be a big deal going forward. That's all I've got.

I noticed there was like three or four sections sitting next to the pit toilet out there. Have those been moved yet?

no, I've been downstate dealing with some dog health issues. I'm going to put them on the back of my truck or grab a trailer and put them behind. I just have been out of pocket for the last two weeks.

Yeah, I'm not blaming. I'm just concerned that that's a vandal magnet.

Oh, it is. It is. I just haven't been around. Hopefully, I'll be back on my normal schedule next week.

Vic, I can run down and pick them up.

HAB-Jacques Juilland- We're going, that would be great. That would be great if you could go on.

Okay. HAB-Jacques Juilland- Okay, we want this for yourself.

HAB-Jacques Juilland- Hey, those are those sections will might be used in the future, depending on sand conditions, but also are kind of spare right HAB-Jacques Juilland- Right, right.

One of the sections that has been installed and moved out over the last couple years was significantly damaged. And so having a couple extras is a good idea. The good news is on the damaged one, we needed to have one cut at an angle and the installation crew from the manufacturer cut off the damaged part. So we got lucky. But the fact is, is it's a good idea to have a few extras.

Okay. And Beck, we did Avenue E. Did you guys look at the south? peer access where there's one little spot that you can't get a wheelchair across? Is that something we could maybe do on that side as well?

I have not looked at it, but yeah, sure. Absolutely.

I looked at it and it's something that we could easily do. It's kind of, in my mind, it's similar to what we did at Avenue E. We would just kind of recreate what we did at Avenue E over on the other side. So I think it's even smaller. It is a shorter run. Yeah, I mean, in my estimation, it's something we could probably do. Potentially.

There might be something for the committee to maybe look at. If not this year, next year, maybe.

Can you put the extra dog signs up?

They have them, but I don't know if they're up yet.

So somebody, someone's dog bit someone the other day, I'll think. At the park or at Langley Park? Well, It's off the leash. Someone in one of the houses around.

I don't know who. They didn't call me. They called somebody else.

Okay. Anything else, Vic? No? Thank you. Good.

Thank you.

Okay. In the minutes, we should note to the Commissioner Donson that he texted me earlier and said he wasn't going to be here today.

So I guess we'll do that. Treasurer's report, Ed.

So my report was in the packet. I didn't know if anybody had any comments on that. Briefly, tax bills were mailed at the end of June. If you haven't received your bills by the end of July, you can look up your account online for free, which I mention every year, but I don't know how many people are actually taking advantage of that, or a new bill can be emailed or mailed if you haven't gotten it. And again, we have multiple payment options, so Payments have been trickling in. Obviously, they'll pick up as we go through August and into September towards the due date. We did have the auditors were in in first part of, actually, it was a lot of part of June. Anyway, they finished up. They provided a draft report. I gave them a few comments. I'm waiting to get those comments back. And we should have that finalized, I would think, sometime within the next month. I don't know if we want the board to have them come and present. We typically do, and I can request that, but it might not be until the fall when they can accommodate it on their schedule, but I can certainly request that if somebody come over. So it was an unmodified opinion, which was a clean audit.

Good. Questions?

No, no. Clerk's report. So we have Primary election, Tuesday, August 4th, 2026. Household hazardous waste collection, August 15th, 2026. Nine to one, Manistee Conservation District.

Is that correct?

No. I think, well, it's going to be at the Road Commission.

Yeah, usually it's at the Road Commission.

But it's sponsored by the Conservation District. It's at the Road Commission. So come early. Well, come late. Come late. Yeah. Last time I did that, they didn't take the stuff I have. They were full. I had to haul everything back home. I just went down the road and dumped it. It's a recycling bin. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's where it has been. People have asked some of these and stuff you see sitting on the side. I didn't really. Whoever's on the line, I did not do that. It's a lie. Okay, report department. How about fire departments? You missed Lenny. Lenny, you're... Oh, Lenny, I'm sorry I moved you up here. Here. You got to start raising your hand. Lenny, so here.

Is that with Assistant Flint?

Yes. So we've been struggling with this whole thing. He has to get a permit from zoning for the road, okay? Because they call... I'm going to give you this. And I got Jody's number on there. So Tom got Jody. And the way it is now, it's a minor road. And even though it's connected to a two-track, he has to improve the whole thing. No, not from his point forward, from the other point to get to his point to start, according to the way the ordinance is now. The Planning Commission is working on this. So what I want you to do is I'm going to give you this, and she's going to tell you which part of the ordinance applies to your road and why it does. And then I would tell you to get back a hold of her and ask to talk to the next Planning Commission meeting. Because we have a bunch of these and we need to address them. And the way it is in here to me is not the right way. Because it would say you have to put in a 16 foot wide road base. And I think it's 12 inches of gravel. Which for one house. Well, it accesses three properties. See, it doesn't. Yeah, it's for his house now. But so if you did it the other way, then there's no fire truck to get in. And there's a whole bunch of issues here that we're dealing with that don't come into play on anyone else's roads. So that being said, I'm referring you to do that first. You can still ask for the permit from them, but I'm just telling you it's more expensive than I thought it was going to be.

So all the private roads, kind of like your roads. There's a dirt road, and there's four houses that are on it.

I didn't say this is fair. I didn't say this is fair. I put in after that road, so unfortunately, there's a bunch of these grandfathered-in roads. I agree. There's two tracks all over the place. They changed it when the zoning came out, and his road was probably put in before the zoning. We don't go back and make... I know your argument, because I had the same argument with myself.

Well, I'm just kind of looking at it like if you have an undeveloped right-of-way that the township has, a paper road, if you want to call it. Paper road. Paper road that's there. And you said there's three other properties that can access it. Basically, it's mine that I already have right now, and then the property that I purchased. And there's one other individual that already has a county road that dead-ends into their property. So... they don't have to be considered one of those because they already have access based on the fact that they have a county road that goes into their driveway, basically. Really, this property only pertains to myself unless there's another lot on the west side of the property that could be subdivided even more than what they already have houses on, which I don't think there is anyone that could do that. This really isn't about anybody other than just Getting me access to my properties. That's it. It's nobody else's involved in this at all.

Which they call a private road, even though it's a public road, but the private road standard is less than a public road standard, even though it's public property. I'm going on what she's citing me and what it says in here. And I didn't read this thing more than once. You have to read it a dozen times. but it has to be brought up to private road standards at a minimum, which is less than public road standards, even though it's on public road. That's the 16V? Yeah.

And according to her email, she's making that comment because it appears the road services three parcels, if I'm reading her email correctly.

So I'm saying call her and let's talk about, because there might be this other avenue which is only going to access one, but on the map it shows three. Now, We can get something from the other two people that says, hey, I'm not using this. I have another access to my property.

Like I said, what other two people are those? I don't know. I mean, when I look at the plant and stuff, I'm not seeing anyone other than myself in the purchased property that I have that would even... Here, take this. Okay.

The other thing Katie says in her email is that we're talking about this at our planning commission meeting in August.

And that's why I'm urging you to not appear. My opinion only. I wouldn't apply for the permit right now because this is what exists. Okay? Because you're going to not want the result you're going to get. Now if they change something and it's better, then I guess I wouldn't spend my money. That's me personally.

Well, yeah. I mean, you want to We'll throw all the avenues first, and then you're forced into some. And then find out you're forced into some.

So what I would say is I kind of remember when the private road thing went in, and it may have been amended since. I know, yeah. Private roads, undeveloped, platted roads, July 5th, 2005. Part of this had to do with over on the other side of the lake where Mr. Acton owned his property. Do you remember that?

Right.

But the point is, Given the conditions that the architect in Chicago left us with, with all these roads and unplanned and undeveloped, I think there's, I think the planning commission, hopefully the planning commission come up with a more reasonable standard or pardon some exceptions or something so that it's not an undue burden, yet it's protective of the township. And, you know, maybe there has to be, if that's your only access and it's not brought up to standard, maybe there has to be a fire waiver or something. there may be a way to thread that needle, but I'd leave that to the planning commission, like Dave suggested, and to have that conversation with them and really, you know, go make, go pitch your case. You can go talk to Katie and not, not actually apply for it, but just kind of give them more information so they can make a better decision on the planning commission can be informed.

Yeah. What is that meeting in the planning commission meeting?

I'll tell you in a quick second, it is August. I think we usually meet the third week. I want to say it's August 20th. Let me double check.

So if you're looking at this, Lenny, go to second page, number three, minor roads. That is the least, number three, it says minor. Yeah. That is the least regulation what we have for a road. And that is, it's not 12 inches of gravel. 12 inches of compact sand, which you already have 12 inches of compact sand. Six inches of gravel, which isn't as bad, but it's 16 feet wide. which we talked, I think, before you said like 10 or 12. Was that correct?

Well, yeah. If it's only a 30-foot easement that you have to work with, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, basically a driveway is 12 to 16 feet. Right.

Yeah. And confirming the meetings Thursday, August 20th at 7 p.m. Next year? Yes. Thursday, August 20th. Okay. Yeah.

Well, I know it's not the answer you wanted to hear today, but I, we had, like I said, I kept reading this and she said that there's no other, there's nothing under minor. Right. So technically could they develop a different thing? Number four, be what we're talking about. Yes. That needs to be simple. It's to protect everyone there. I mean, if you built back there and you just had a little two track, could the fire truck make it back there? Maybe not. We will want to cross that bridge.

Well, obviously, I mean, I'm not going through all this just to put a little two-track.

I mean, I'm going to make it where it's safe. We agree with that. Now, if that standard works, minor, now you don't want to wait, you'd have to figure out is it six inches of gravel isn't so bad, 16 feet, my driveway is actually that wide.

So I did that.

So as far as if there's any small trees that have to be removed to do this, that's no problem then?

I don't see a problem with that. I would just caution everybody to get a survey. I've been waiting to get a survey based on what... We wanted to tell you the total cost or at least an estimate so you can now guess how much it's going to be.

Let's just explore that because we've gotten multiple questions over the years about this paper road and I want to do something with the kind of cut trees that are over there. Don't you have to have a permit to go in there and cut trees on the road? I think you do. It's township control. Well, we don't have a permit. I've I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't think we want, you know, going out and clear cutting these paper roads without us knowing about it. Well, I agree. They should ask for permission, right? So there's gotta be, if that's a, if that's a gray area in the ordinance, I'm looking at your Sunday for planning commission.

I know we might need to address that.

Yeah. It also might be something that Tom might have to weigh in because again, there's a lot of legalities around these paper roads, but they're everywhere.

Well, in the past, we've asked people to come in and ask permission to do it, and then they've gone in and do it. But now, has anyone clear cut? Yeah, they've done that on a couple of them, actually.

Like I said, I mean, moving forward, I already have a surveyor already lined up. I'm going to survey the five acres that I purchased and this right away. Right, so we know where it is. Going forward, I know exactly the boundaries going into the property.

So you can spell out, so at some point you can spell, hey, I want to cut these trees and here they are.

So you'd be improving it from basically the south part of that parcel. Because that looks like it jumped onto their property as a driveway. You'd just be going up there. A straight shot out.

And the county said I would just have to pull access permit, you know, coming off of Clark, just a It's just a basic $25 fee to access that, right?

Okay. Attend this meeting. Let's see if we're going to steer it in the right, because it does need to be addressed, but we've got, I don't even know, hundreds of these probably. They're all over everywhere.

Are you going to talk to Jody before the meeting? Yeah, I can give her a pause, and I'd reach out. I was going to suggest that. Is her number on here?

I just gave her a little bit over the page. Okay, go ahead.

And I think her having that information, having a conversation with you could be useful and contribute to the discussion of planning commission. Right.

Right.

Okay. Yeah. And your idea, maybe we, maybe we get them, maybe there is a permit for removing trees that way, you know, So the neighbor doesn't, I mean, not in this case, but somewhere else. And someone goes and clears a 50 foot right away. It's going to become, it's going to become a problem.

It's going to become more and more problem where we have this.

Right. I mean, moving forward, this is kind of going to set precedent.

And I, I agree with Dave. I think the, I think there's a way to thread the needle between what's on the books right now and what's practical and still allow for fire protection. That just has to be properly.

I mean, I don't want to go to the house and not have, or no, in the future. Right. But you don't necessarily want to build something that's going to serve other properties and it's at your expense. Like I said, really, there really isn't anybody else. It's really going to serve when you look at, at it. I mean, in the train that it is, it's basically going to, Going to that five acres.

When you talk to Jody, if you go through and you bring up their GIS system, which has the same information as we have here, and look at all those parcels, maybe she's misinterpreting that. That's true, too. Yeah. It'd be good to go through that in detail with her. Right. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Now, fire department. The report was in the packet. You guys just got it. Nothing real alarming on that. 124 runs to date at the time of the report was made. Um, big thing is that we got a drone back finally, uh, after the repair shop had it for two months or so. So that's back in service.

Um, pilot on a restrictive license.

Yeah. All of it is on probation. Um, so yeah, so that's good to have back. We missed several drone opportunities with that, um, game going, but, um,

So fire runs are how much today? 124. So roughly what fire to rescue or number of fire to rescue runs difference?

You mean the percentage of one or the other? Yeah. Well, consistently they run about 80 to 85% EMS. Consistently. It varies. I didn't crunch these numbers exactly, but over the course of time when we've been watching them a little bit, they're right around that. Okay. Truck is gone. 324E100 is officially gone. Got the check.

Got that all done. Parked the truck. They come to pick it up, but you had to start on Wednesday, Tuesday. Yeah. They came on Thursday. They get here a half hour early to start the truck. Truck will start. What's wrong with that? Couldn't figure it out. Dwayne McCloud, I called him, come over. The shutoff switch shorted out. We ran all that time for all the years we had and never have an issue. Sits for whatever, won't start. So Dwayne come over and fixed it. They drove it back. The guy did the pump test on it last week. After now it's been down there for how long? The front drive shaft disintegrated. Scared the heck out of him. Thought it was coming apart. Like 30 some hundred dollar bill. So again, one of them deals though, Timing is everything. You feel like a little bit like a used car dealer. Yeah, really, if you think about it. You know, it ran how many years? Yeah.

They still got a good deal on it. They knew they needed to put some money on it.

Yeah, okay. You put the zip ties and duct tape on that thing going down the road.

I'm just saying I'm steel-bammed, apparently. That's just like, that's why you never know when you buy something used.

No indicators on that stuff either, really. Anyway, sorry. Last I knew, Bear Lake Township Board was talking about having their fire department take over their whole township. Don't know if that decision has been made officially yet, but we're waiting to hear on that. We're still being dispatched into the zone.

They haven't changed it yet. We're covering eight sections in Bear Lake. Did they fly from Milledge for? Did we send them a bill? Up to you. Okay.

I got nothing on that. Okay. We'll take care of it. Okay. I'm just saying that there's words out there, but nothing official is in it. So if anybody says anything about it.

I think Dave asked that jokingly, but once all this fire authority stuff gets settled one way or another, the lawyers are going to speak on that. that has to be visited with Bear Lake Township because we provide service to Brown Township and we charge them. And we're covering way more of Bear Lake Township, way more runs, and it's just under this automatic mutual aid, but we go there way more than they come here.

This is the issue all across. Well, that's because we're not on mutual aid with them. Okay, well, then we have to charge them because we're- We're first out. Yeah, we're first out. That's just- We know that.

But until we get, until all the Murphy stuff gets sorted, I think at that time, that's the time to address it. But if we're sitting here a year from now and it hasn't been addressed, that's a problem.

I've had three conversations with the township supervisor. And I think the fire chief told them they were covering it. Well, if that was the case, if that was a month ago, then it could cover it.

Yeah, no, we haven't gotten enough. We haven't gotten enough from them saying, hey, it's all ours.

And dispatch isn't doing anything different than what they do.

To my knowledge, have you seen any...

No, it was nothing different. They actually dispatched or misdispatched, just up 8 mile a little bit, and their chief got on the radio and said, she dispatched fairly instead of us. And their chief got on the radio and said, can you actually dispatch when that's their primary area?

Are you kidding me? What was this?

This is the same fire chief that said we're covering it? Okay.

Okay. Which I think it would be. What day was that? What day did that happen? Do you know? Give me that.

I was at work, so I could probably figure it out.

If you could figure it out, let me know. That'd be fun. Thanks, Pat. Yeah, so E100's been down there.

That's done. You guys feel any Paul on the Murphy thing, I would just send them to the website for answers. So they're doing it yourself. Um, credit funnel, all that stuff in the one spot. So we want a bunch of misinformation out there. Um, we've ordered all the stuff that we're on the road or sharing that we've got approved for this way for some of that. Well, we had a little hiccup with the life jackets, the ones that we Wanda and our back order, and we're staying with them. Yeah. We're going to stay there middle of August or whatever, but the other ones are like $200 or $300 or more, so staffing remains the same, and we're kind of geared up for, you know, something, so. Okay. All is good.

Are you doing anything for our next couple of days? Our normal. Okay. Normal stuff. No.

No weapon out? No weapon out. I'm doing a 5k run. I am working with that 30 day challenge on some of the water events. Put the boat out there and the swim, the open water swim was canceled due to the smoke. I think they came in here and said it's the table top and stuff. The next thing they want us to cover is the kayak.

How much has the boat been in the water this summer?

It's been in the water the whole summer.

How many times have you had an elk do stuff?

To do stuff, training and stuff, probably half a dozen times. Any calls with them? No calls this year. Lots of calls.

Yeah. It's Bic. I just got a text. Kayak guy just tested positive for COVID.

So maybe they're not going to do it. Maybe they won't do it. That's good to know.

I didn't know the testing was so thin.

Apparently it is. Okay.

Yeah, they will call us for the vote.

Okay. Anything else, Rob? I'm good.

Okay. Harbor Commission. Okay. Dean feels that by April 1st, he's going to hear something. August 1st? August 1st? Yeah. He said April. Oh, did I say April? August. So hopefully we'll still be in order to get the paving done in September.

When you say hear something, hear something back from the VNR? Hear from Lara? Lara. Oh, let's go on to that.

DNR said it had to be sent to them.

Even though there's no ADA involved. And I don't know. First, I got this agreement license for the wake signs. Yes. Jennifer's got it. She sent it to me. This means we filled out, sent in. I'm sure we did it. At first, they wanted $5,000, but they waived that. This was the one that... It's not mentioned in that document.

Then they want $5,000 to fill it out. They claim they make observations once or twice a year, and that costs $5,000. Someone's on vacation. It's a crock. It's why people don't they finally waived it because they said well then don't put the signs up yeah for five grand yeah five grand for the sign well for the permit for a permit to get the hang of sign because it's their wall the seawall you're talking about for the no wake sign and that that raised its head again i thought that was all it's just a new yeah it's a new permit with no fee so we've got our slot No, I know.

You probably said that.

It's called a USACE license from the Department of Army. Would somebody make a motion that we fill this out and turn it in? I will make a motion we fill it out and turn it in. Not the $5,000 bill. Okay.

Is this a new thing on here?

It's a renewal, basically, because it was five years ago.

It wasn't on the agenda, right?

Yeah, it's on the agenda. It's an action item. Oh, no, I'm sorry. They're actually not on the agenda. Oh, never mind. Jim, when does that have to be turned in?

Whenever it gets filled out, because they're at least one year or two years being laid anyway. Okay.

So you want me to just put this on next month's agenda? I would confirm that. That's fine. Okay.

I think we filled the last one out from either 19 or 20.

And they just might get a percent.

Yeah, I get a really good sign that doesn't. No, they don't.

A thicker one. It's just to inspect. It's not to, okay, we'll put it on next month's agenda. I'm sorry, Jim. I thought it was on this agenda. It's not. It's two years late.

I don't think another 30 days has occurred or anything. How's the grant coming? Well. And it's along with Lara. I have no construction drawings.

You don't have any what?

We don't have construction drawings. Did you see my email to Shane today? I didn't know you didn't talk to him.

You didn't? Well, he didn't send you anything?

So I'll piggyback on what Jim talked about.

Okay, go ahead.

which I did not know that Shane told you that we might have an answer by August 1st.

I got that in an email.

Okay, so he, okay, I did not know that. Okay. And coincidentally, I sent him an email today, which would have been after that because it was in the afternoon, so he may be thinking I'm writing it because you got that, but I didn't know it until just now. So right now, what we have is preliminary drawings from Pfizer, but we don't have full construction drawings because they're not going to do that until they're on top, right? No, that shouldn't matter. So when I talk to the foundation, when I talk to the foundation, okay, the foundation wants... actual bids, proposals for doing the pavement. Before they go, the actual, we won't get it done this year. Well, that's why my email said what it did. It's like, I think we still have a window to get it done because we have an opportunity to go off cycle. But I mean, I need that stuff, Blake.

Why don't they take the engineer's

They will not. Because they want to know. Jim, part of the problem with that is the engineers make an estimate. We don't have full construction drawings. They're not going to want me to write a grant for a number that we can't substantiate by a contractor actually doing the work this year. And I had a conversation with them back when you and I talked. three weeks ago or whatever it was. And it's pretty endless. It has to be a proposal. So that's why I need the construction drawings so that we can send those out for bid to get the numbers back so that we can get moving.

Well, you don't get this until the end of August. That's okay. But your grant is up to 45 days.

If you do a mini-grant, they may take up to 45 days, but I think the foundation understands the sensitivity of the time frame here. I'm not saying that means they would answer it quicker, but the potential exists that they would.

I mean, they know... Probably, right, correct. Not ideal.

but hopefully by the end of october you know we could still pull it off but it's like it's amazing this is like you say it's amazing no i'm kind of amazed at how hard it is to give somebody money to do something improve their just throw their property it's sort of it's almost like a little bit buying by it's like we're it'd be different if we were forcing them somehow to pay for all this i could see that we have the money

You know, and to the foundation's credit, I mean, they are being firm on what they expect, and I guess I don't blame them, but at the same time, I mean, I got a follow-up from Sarah last week, like, hey, have you heard anything more? And I'm like, no, I'm going to send an email, because

they're understanding and they really want to be helpful but they can't and i just let us go without my construction drawing so what is the construction drawing going to show on the it's paved right am i missing something what is part of the construction drawing it's going to show this and it's going to say it will bottom line You did all our asphalt.

Okay, no, I'm lost. Here's the big thing is having them sign off and say, yes, this is it. This is what we're doing so that it can go to a contractor to bid.

So what if the price comes in at, say, $120? Are they going to give you $120?

I don't know the answer to that. I did make them aware that the numbers are north of what we originally talked about.

Because of? changes to the scope, or just asphalt costs? Asphalt is both, I think. I think it's both.

But I think the scope, Jim really had, Jim dealt with reducing the scope. I think a lot of it has to do with cost. But again, we're going on the engineer's estimate of cost. I don't know how Scotty came up with his number before.

Maybe his number... His number will be less than the engineer's call. Unless he... That's possible, but I don't know that.

So just so I have a clear understanding, the state, Lara is reviewing... What are they reviewing right now? Are they waiting for us to get something to them?

They've had whatever for...

For about a month, three weeks. The agreement, is that what they're reviewing? The drawings. The drawings, okay.

And basically there's no ADA in our project. Right. That was all done with a kayak launch. Right. Right. That's just a parking area, right? This is just parking.

So the EGLE or DNR has already said the drawings look good. Now LARA is looking at the drawings, is that it? That's part of their process that they said we had to go through.

But DNR signed off. back in...

This is probably me.

Okay, I was going to say April. So we hear back from Lara. Lara says everything's good. Then we have to get actual bids for the community foundation instead of engineer's estimates. We have to bid it. So you do a two-week bid cycle. So you're opening bids in what? Assuming we hear back from Lara, you're opening bids the third week of August or maybe the fourth week of August. And then You issued a notice to proceed, so this could still get done.

It could, but my email today said we have a very narrow window that's closing. It is. And I sent it to Shane. Jim's got a copy, but you may not have seen it yet. But I also attached everybody from DNR on there and kind of saying, hey, people, something needs to help.

The window has been open for well over a year. Way over. Like a year and a half now.

to do this. The last time I talked to anybody was probably the February meeting because I got a little frustrated.

Is the superintendent at Orchard Beach a new person? Is she taking an active role? Is he taking an active role in pushing this through the process?

I talked to his boss this week and She says, I have nothing I can do for Laura. She can't push him or anything.

So you haven't talked to anybody in Laura, right? I have not, because I don't even know.

I know the DNR people. I don't know who has that.

I think the, I don't know anyone in Laura either, but Shane indicated he was sending his response to me to someone that I didn't recognize. So that might have been to Laura.

You can get it to me. I'm happy to give him a call.

Okay. I mean, what's he going to hurt? No fun. Yeah. Can't hurt. No. No. Must have started screaming at him. Which would not be my style.

No. I just, I don't know. Improving someone else's property and using money to make it nice.

I'd call one of our reps. Would that do any good? Or would that make it worse? I'd call John.

I don't know. Do you know why Shane thinks he'll have an answer by August 1st? Did he get? I mean, why is he saying?

He just, that's all he said. He says, I assume that we will hear something by August 1st.

Okay. I'll wait to see what happens. Okay. And I copied you on my email today. Okay.

Somebody's probably on vacation.

I'll wait to see what kind of response I get from the folks at DNR. Okay.

Making everybody aware. No, no, I got it. That's fine.

The grant is ready to go. I mean, I've written it. It's just I have blanks because I don't know what the numbers are and that kind of thing, and I need to be able to do a better narrative on what the final project requires, and I can't do that until I've got a clue.

Okay. Thank you. Anything else?

No.

Invasive.

Invasive species. What? Is that for us?

Oh, go ahead.

No, I think Vic's not muted at all. Okay. Hey, Vic, can you mute?

I show is being muted.

Yep. Wrong party. Sorry. Invasive species committee. We have meeting Monday. We had a preseason survey in June. PLM came out and treated in June at our meeting. We reviewed the post survey and everything's really nicely under control there right now it would not be anticipated that there would be any type of herbicide applications for the remainder of the year unless something unusual happens we are going to be exploring um doing some hand pulling or doing a dash program but we would need a permit and the odds are probably more likely that we won't get the permit yet this year. So it wouldn't happen until next year. But looking at that for an area that does have some invasive, I think it's starry stonewort that we're closely monitoring and would like to attempt to try hand pulling it instead of using herbicides. So we'll know that. The other thing which I'm waiting, I followed up with Tom, you may remember Invasive species made a recommendation to the board last month that we treat the township property that had, that had Phragmites shown on them. That was across from a gentleman's property. I brought the map to the meeting. And so we approved it subject to what Tom said. Tom walked, he and I had a long conversation. He walked me through, said in his opinion, Yes, we can go ahead and treat it. I said, Tom, I'd really like it in writing, not just because I don't want to say to the board, hi, Tom said it's okay. But we have had a lot of discussion about what does the language in the assessment district resolution allow us to do? And that's part of what the around the lake kind of comment. So I followed up with him day before yesterday because I hadn't had anything come back to me in writing and he promised he'd get get done this week.

So that's it for me.

Okay.

Of course, anybody's got questions. Questions?

No?

Planning Commission.

We did not have a meeting this month, but we are having one in August, and as was already touched on, we're going to be reviewing the one ordinance, but I don't know what else the rest of the Agenda will be, I'm sure Portage Point is what it really is.

Okay. Oh yeah, probably. Yep.

All right.

Thank you.

Assessor and Rhodes. Well, how do we put assessor along with Rhodes? It should be separate. That's all right. We'll do assessor. So they had the July board review meeting yesterday. I think they acted on three petitions, Ann? Oh, six. Six total, I'm sorry. That just happened to have been there. I knew you were like this. I had to leave. Dan was here.

Becoming your favorite pastime, Dan.

Looking for a new hobby. Stepping into the West Indiana.

Like going to start farming. That's way too much work. Moving on roads. So they got the chip sale done. I think the only roads left to be sealed. done is the black stuff on the parking lot at my own park, which they're going to wait until, I think, until after... Yeah. And they'll re-stripe it again. Yeah. Perfect. And make it like a legitimate stripe gem. Well, they hurried up and did that the day before the weekend. It was nothing there, and Vic was worried, very worried that there'd be a disaster for people.

And are they going to do Portage Point Drive? That'll be after Labor Day, too? Yeah, that's smart.

That way you're not fighting that whole deal.

Oh, yeah, it'd be a mess. Well, remember they did it three years or four years ago with the wrong stuff, and it was the hottest days of the year, and it was like running through La Brea Tower pits.

It took forever to get off your car. So, okay. Sowing administrator, we have a report on file.

So I saw that the board adopted level three services last month. Don't recall, are they not supposed to be in attendance periodically? Is that once a quarter or once every couple of months at our board meetings or they can review it? I guess, does anybody remember? I think it was once a quarter.

It wasn't every meeting. It wasn't one every month. and talk to her. It'd be nice if they came more in the summer, actually. Not so much in the winter. It's not that big a deal in the winter, right?

I will say I was happy with the level of activity on the enforcement report. So I think that was short progress. It was better.

Okay. Along that lines from them, so we have a new thing here, which is a boundary adjustment form that they've kind of come up with.

What is this for, Dan?

So right now we have a land division form. But if you're doing a property adjustment, which is like two neighboring properties, you before could just go in to the county kind of and you do a brownie line adjustment and they just do it. This is in place of a land division form because it's not a land division. You're transferring a piece from this property to a neighboring property. But we do this to make sure they fill it out. What you end up with means zoning, not that you take too much. Yeah, or you take too much off of one and you make a nonconforming parcel.

So is this, what compelled the person to do this?

When they call and want to do it, Equalization will have this and then make them fill it out and give it to whoever. There's nothing in the zoning ordinance that requires that? No, not for boundary adjustment.

Did there be?

We do refer to the Land Division Act in our ordinance.

I just want to make sure that we're covered. I did ask those guys, Katie and Jody, and all of Onekama Township ones, they would put the Onekama Township logo. I think it's confusing to have the Manistee Town. I agree with that. They were going to work through that, so they can let them know. They can adjust that.

Change the logo, and you're right, I think. We should add it. We say land division. We refer to that in the ordinance somewhere.

Okay, if you're considering a boundary adjustment division, then that's fine. If not, it might be something. Probably not a huge issue, but if we're looking at that, we might want to deal with it.

There's a few of these that I have missed over the last couple of years.

How many of these do you get a couple a year, two or three a year?

No, more than that now. And the problem is I haven't had any Well, we've had one years ago that created a non-conforming lot on one side.

Well, as long as the County Planning Department and Equalization knows that we can do this first, then we're probably okay there.

Right. I'd like someone to make a motion to say we adopt this form so we have it. That would be dumb.

I'll make the motion as long as the low doors change. Okay, we'll say that.

Logo change. Is there a second? I would second that. Okay. Any other discussion? Like I said, it won't come up that often, but when it does, it's nice to make sure they do the division rights and adjustment correctly. And none else being heard, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Go ahead.

I want to go back to your question. What it shows is attendance of up to four township board meetings and then it puts in parentheses quarterly and also says attendance of township board meetings upon request when zoning amendment will be heard.

Okay. So I think it'd be better to me that you have more like in the summer months show up here a couple because it's busier, right? It doesn't so much in the winter. I'm just I don't know what it says. Okay. Passed. PLA Community Collaboration Report.

Next.

Okay. That would be Joe, right? Okay. Permit for the fireworks. I just did a motion on fireworks. Permit for insurance documents and everything is here. So moved. So moved. Is there a second? That was second. And the date is, I'm looking to see what date. Fireworks will be August 8th, I believe. August 8th, 2036, rain date August 9th. Okay. Any other discussion? None being heard. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Let's move over here. That's good. Same company. David? I think it is. Yes. Fly-by-night fireworks. Great Lakes Fireworks LLC. Do you know who they are? I'm just curious. Same guy. I would think it might be. Okay. Approval of valid language for the fire district. So, Dan, do you want to copy this? Yeah.

You got one handy here?

Yeah, hold on. I'm going to go. It's these three pages right here.

I was going to hand the phone over.

Thank you. One.

Nothing. Nothing. Yeah, go ahead.

Well, no, we have to talk about it. We're either going to adopt it or not adopt.

So a question, okay. I understand what Tom is saying that because, I mean, right now we have two things going on. We have, assuming that the fire district thought process wasn't in place, we would still have to renew or ask for renewal of our township millage. But since both are kind of like simultaneously having to be dealt with, we have to allow language to cover the fire district and have to disclose who the payment's being made to. So I understand his communication. What my concern is, kind of like the baby getting lost in the backwater, if the community chooses to vote down the fire district, then what do we do? And so they vote against This is saying we have the right to levy up to 2.5, which if it's approved and the district fails, we're okay with our 1%. But my concern is if it fails because of the tie-in with that, do we have time to deal with that?

Sorry. We're doing it for really? The millage doesn't expire. Right. So we would have a bite at the apple in August, which we would likely have to pay for that election, though, because there's not going to be anybody else. Or you could put it on November. However, you'd have to have a really quick turnaround so it could get on the winter tax bill. So we've got two more bites even after this August.

I remember us talking about it, but I didn't have this language until then. So that's why I was like, whoa, wait a minute. Okay. I'm good then.

What does this have to be approved by? So this is on the November ballot, and if it passes, then it has to get to the county. No, no, no.

I mean, when do we have to approve this ballot? The ballot language?

Today? Yeah. Yeah, otherwise it's... Or have a special meeting. It's got to be to them by sometime in August. August 11th, right. I mean, the bottom line is there's going to be some informational sessions. we'll know more probably about how people... There was information, you know, the articles of incorporation are still getting worked on. That's going to have to come to this board at some point. But we're letting the voters decide this. If the voters don't want to have more cost for a higher level of service, that's fine. That's their choice. I think this is the right way to do it. I don't think we as a board should be shooting it down because of a concern. I think we should let the voters speak. Absolutely.

Yeah, my only concern was having biscuit to feed it, and then do we still have time for a mechanism to retain what we have? Since I saw the language. Okay.

You're okay with that now?

Okay. Dan? Because I'm just trying to read this really quickly. When it says impose an increase of the two and a half mils, I understand our current fire millage is approximately one, right? One mil? A little longer.

So is this... Potentially it could go up to two and a half. Okay, so this isn't... Not an extra two and a half. You mean is it two and a half plus one?

The language is confusing. The language is very confusing. Two and a half is the max.

For the combination. I know. Well, at the meeting... But ours is also one and a half more, basically. Correct, one and a half more. Here, Massey Township Four and a half?

No, Astronic was higher. Because our taxable value is higher than those other townships. Our millage rate is correspondingly less. Astronic was four and a half.

What was Madison Township? Three and a half?

No, it was less than that. It was three, I think. Remember, Manistee Township doesn't levy a millage right now either. They fund it out of their general and they're still paying them more.

From that 18-page document. They were hired not so they collected millage. But now they're funding and now they're general. Because they've got so much in general. Was I wrong? 3.5? There's someone with 6.2. Well, they must collect one then. No, they figured. Yeah, they figured it out.

That says 3.2, right? Yeah. 3.2?

Yeah. Because their equivalent right now is like 1.0.

But they don't look at that.

But they don't look.

Right. That's what they're paying out of their general.

It don't matter. Filer's going to maybe ask some millage that they're going to fund it internally also. Okay, so. Somebody has to make a motion if you want to put it on the ballot. I would probably want to work the motion. I would move to approve the ballot language. Resolution. Resolution. Sorry. Resolution.

Resolution number. We don't know what the number is. Jennifer said she'd assign it. It's just the resolution to adapt fire EMS .

You're making that motion? Yes. Okay, we'll sign the website. Is there a second? I'll second that motion. Second, okay. And so the resolution is offered by Cindy and seconded by Matt.

So just for a little further discussion, there's a lot of chatter going on in the community about this whole initiative and some of it's accurate, a lot of it's inaccurate. A lot of fear. This initiative didn't just happen because people decided they wanted to raise taxes. It's been building for years, if not decades. And finally, there was enough leadership amongst the fire service and by and to try to make something change and make it different and presumably better. Basically, what it's doing is it's lifting up the townships, which have gotten by relatively inexpensively because they don't have full-time staffing. That's what this boils down to, to get to where they can have full-time staffing, but it can be done as efficiently as it can be. This isn't unique to Tennessee County. It's done all across the state. Some places approve it and some places don't. This is just giving the voters a chance to to weigh in on that. There's an informational session coming up. I think it's July 28th at the Senior Center. I encourage everybody to go and listen to that and ask their questions and make sure you're getting the good information instead of the maybe misinformation.

Right. Well, I think about demographic too and the fact that 85% of what you guys do is CMS ones. Yes. You know, it's something that you want to have accurate and good information to make it, to make it, to make an informed decision. And sometimes I know, I mean, just for an example of our recycling area, some of the stuff, it's just some craziness. Sometimes people will say things, I don't know why, but they just feel like they can do it.

Which they can, but it would be good to get the real information from you. Okay, done.

I have to vote. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Okay. Foreclosed properties, 51-11-290-277-00, 51-11-290-290-00. Racial in the county, tax sale? I think it's right next to our other property, if I'm not mistaken.

It is. It's near the wetlands. And I printed off. Yeah. That amount that they have listed, this was as of April. There's probably some more potential. I don't know that for a fact. But I think this is a great opportunity to acquire the inholdings or some of the info holdings.

You may get emotionally buy these or pay these

I would make a motion that we elect to purchase the property per the state statute that allows local units of government to do so and inform the county treasurer of that interest. Then she'll probably send us a bill or however that process has to work. I second that. Second that.

Any other discussion? None being heard. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? None? Okay.

That's cool.

Oh, the whole property.

So Mr. Freer talked about after last meeting, drafting this new letter. The letter has not been sent out. He said it'll go out tomorrow. He's been swamped, which I know he hasn't by the thing that we've given him. But we're setting up a new meeting to go out in inventory. We've given him 10 days. And if not, He doesn't set up a thing with the inventory. We're just going to go.

Do you want me to resend you the inventory form?

Yes. Okay, please. Do you want to go with me in the county? Let me know when I'll be out there.

It's a big channel.

I do have a question, Dave. We got Mr. DeVos' tax bill returned. So do we know that he got the certified letter? It says return to sender no mail receptacle unable to forward, and it's at his House? Street address at his house. Like he doesn't have a mailbox or something. So I just want to make sure that he got it.

Oh. Is that one of those things you have to have a service? Well, we sent him a certified letter and it came back. I thought he had signed for it. No, I never signed for it. I just assumed he didn't sign for it. If you never go sign for your letter, they don't leave a certified letter. We sent him a certified and a regular one. But if, in fact, he doesn't have a receptacle, I see what you're saying, he didn't get his mail. We're going to notify his attorney anyways.

Yeah, so I just let you know. He doesn't have mailboxes.

Okay, I'll tell Tom that tomorrow. He has no mailbox? According to the boss's office. Okay. And that was from his official income and tax.

That's his tax bill. It's paid by him.

That's a gross thing anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Porch finance. Same thing. You guys are going to talk about that. Mr. Azad is going to be there at your meeting.

Okay.

Oh, well, someone's got to have them. I think they're moving forward with not the village, looking up to the village store.

They kind of reported on that last year, that planning commission.

So I think, I think the village would like him, but you'd have to build another pond. Let's see. And then you'd have to put another lift station. And I think it's cheaper for him to go to the ball field. Now, no one else will be able to hook up is the unfortunate part. But it'll be what it's going to be. I don't really want to see that. But I don't know how you get away from that. All those houses along that stretch, they're only 50 feet off the water. Their septics are right there. So I don't know. I guess Stonewall will never resolve that. Maybe someone else's property. We don't have public comment, but I'm just going to ask because we usually do have a second one. So public comment.

We have bills to be paid. I know.

Let me go. Yeah, go ahead. Just on the acquisition of the foreclosed properties. So that would be like outside of the auction process?

I think nobody bid them.

No, there's a pecking order, and we have to go to the state first, and then we have a right of first refusal kind of.

I don't know anything about these properties, but that whole foreclosure process and home equity theft, I mean, there's been court decisions.

These are two inholdings in the wetlands.

Whoever owns it, they're entitled to whatever they can get at an auction is what The courts have recently known. So I'm just saying.

And the Supreme Court just ruled on that.

What did they say?

The plaintiffs were arguing that they should be getting at a minimum not the auction value, but what the assessed value was, because that's the government's, that's what they're basing the taxes on. They said that an auction isn't a fair market value because it's distressed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the Supreme Court went all the way up. They disagreed.

but they did say what is fair is the auction price. So these kind of, I'm going to call it side deals.

I think this might be my statutory deal.

It might be a side deal. In this case, I think they went too off. I'm not positive. Our pecking order is not first.

Whatever it is, we're next on the pecking order. We have a chance to get it. But you might be right on that.

Okay. So what are they? Not interested. What do they want?

It's like $1,200 for both of them.

Probably more than that order. It probably is. It's in the swamp. You can't do it. We got all the other swamp land that we're doing to protect the wetlands.

We're going to bundle it all up and sell it to a Florida buyer. Condos.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Fill it first. Just stop. Is there anyone online?

Does anybody online have a public comment? I thought you had a site for the recycling downstairs. It's floating.

If anybody's online and wants to do another public comment, just unmute yourself. Alright, it doesn't look like it.

Anybody else here? No. Bills to be paid. Somebody want to make that motion? So moved. Second? So seconded. So seconded by Matt. Any discussion? None being heard, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That's carried. Do you have anything else before I adjourn?

Go ahead. A passionate request to either have a special meeting or to have on our next agenda a storage building and recycling because they could potentially be looked at together.

Okay.

But fear that we need to address that.

Okay. And when would you like to do that?

Do you have a time frame?

That's for meeting the next meeting. However, you all would prefer.

If it's not time-centered, I'd prefer to do it at the regular meeting.

I just think enough people would not want to talk, you know, would want a separate discussion. I would appreciate it. And I think Vic would, too.

I still have 12 polls if somebody wants to. You have what? 12 public access polls.

Oh, they're making them are surveying the road ends and are going to determine what surveying in terms of where they're supposed to be.

You're saying you're you're tired of storm. No, I didn't say that. I can't burn them. Are they supposed to be at the like a road.

Frontage and the lake. And the water generally. The problem is the ones on Lake Michigan got washed out.

And the ones on Portage Lake got washed out when the water was not. But it'd be nice to do that because I got people arguing about where they're putting their boats out now because the repairing lines. We'll get there. So they're arguing about someone mooring a boat out in front of their lot. Because they're saying that the guy's repairing lines are here and the boat over here in front of his property, but my line runs in front of your property. Oh, for goodness sakes. Tell them to get ahold of it.

We'll have pictures of each one of the road ends from left, right, and center as when we complete the inventory. We'll have it done by the fall. Okay. All right. Thank you, Beck.

I guess I'm going to adjourn the meeting.

All right. We'll stop recording now.